View Full Version : PRIMARY RESEARCH: Puerto Rico (June 1)
WV4Hillary
05-14-2008, 08:10 PM
OFFICIAL ONLINE HEADQUARTERS: http://www.hillaryclinton.com/hq/puertorico/
Hillary's Agenda for Puerto Rico (in Spanish):
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/es/view/?id=6594
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Hey guys..
I've been thinking - Hillary's plan to win the popular vote may very well hinge on Puerto Rico. Thing is...we know NOTHING about Puerto Rico. We don't know how much support Hillary has, or what's going on on the ground...ect. We have one poll for a reference, and I think it was 50-37, but it was taken a long time ago. So...from my research:
- 2004 Governor Election had a turnout of 81.7% - 1.9 million votes.
- Using that as a reference - we'll just say it will be about 2 million votes, for calculation purposes.
- Hillary has support. I don't know how much, but she has it. From her website:
As many Boricuas enjoyed their café con leche while doing last-minute Mother’s Day shopping at Paseo De Diego, in the heart of San Juan, I was overwhelmed listening to people who over and over again shouted out “Hillary, esa es mi candidata”.
A group of volunteers took to the busy streets of Río Piedras, handing out bumper stickers, yard signs and, most importantly, one-on-one information on Hillary’s comprehensive agenda for the jurisdiction with the largest Hispanic population under the American flag--- over 4 million.
With a voter turn-out of more than 80%, we here are very vocal about politics and, during our visit, people were certainly eager to shake hands with us and express their whole-hearted support for her candidacy. They know that Hillary is a champion for Boricuas but, most importantly, she is the one, true voice for all Latinos in the United States.
On Sunday, June 1st, all eyes will be on Puerto Rico as we celebrate the democratic primary and Hillary’s victory here in the Island.
http://static.hillaryclinton.com/i/blog/photos/200805142212.jpg
-I heard a rumor that the Larry Sinclair story is very much alive and in the MSM in Puerto Rico. Can anyone verify that? I think that'd help us A LOT. And are regular, everyday voters talking about the story? Is it a BIG DEAL down there?
- Obama can't bus people in.
-Because NEITHER candidate can really send people down to volunteer, all volunteer work is from Puerto Ricans themselves. If Hillary has more support, she also has more volunteers, and therefore more people to help increase her vote even more!!
So...If all of the things above are true, including Larry Sinclair, then the final vote should be about...60-40.
If she wins with a turnout of 2 million, 60-40:
Hillary Clinton: 1,200,000
Barack Obama: 800,000
Net popular vote: Hillary +400,000
Anyone have anymore Puerto Rico news? It could be our make or break state.
Bacio83
05-14-2008, 08:12 PM
Ya know, we just might have to go canvass in PR... *sigh* that would suck sandy beaches... beautiful weather..... So... when are we going?
LarryMac
05-14-2008, 08:15 PM
Larry Sinclair has already been on the most popular TV show in Puerto Rico and they tend to vote conservatively, Democratic and for the more moral candidate. It is also a big macho thing that most of them have a real problem with gays. Obama is the most liberal senator in congress and the allegations of him being gay will not go away. It could actually be more than 60%.
WV4Hillary
05-14-2008, 08:18 PM
Well...does anyone have any accounts of how big the story is in PR?
Optixmom
05-14-2008, 08:23 PM
Ya know, we just might have to go canvass in PR... *sigh* that would suck sandy beaches... beautiful weather..... So... when are we going?
Delta has a flight going thru JFK for $445 round trip (from Rochester) right now if we leave on Thursday, May 29 and return on Sunday, June 1st.
I can wish can't I?
El Cuco
05-14-2008, 08:25 PM
My mother says she didn't know a thing about that story because that's the time she watches her soap operas LOL. She said people loved Chelsea, they were impressed with how much she knew about her mother plans. Bill went to several towns, bue she said Chelsea was the best.
El Cuco
05-14-2008, 08:27 PM
Does anyone here speaks spanish? You can blog on EL NUEVO DIA, there is also the San Juan Star a daily newpaper in english.
WV4Hillary
05-14-2008, 08:36 PM
^ So okie, Larry's not a big story there?
El Cuco
05-14-2008, 08:38 PM
I don't know, my mother is 85 years old ans he lives for her soaps, so she wasn't aware. But as far as I know that show were the story was shown is very popular, sort of a gossip show. I will ask my niece and see if she knows about it. Puerto Ricans are very enthusiastic about politics, I am sure there will be a big turnout.
Bacio83
05-14-2008, 08:39 PM
Not really I can read Spanish but not write I'd butcher it. We could Babelfish our points... of course our tenses would be mixed. :)
Optix i say let's go!
San Juan! beaches..... we'll hand out pina-colada's with HRC stickers.
El Cuco
05-14-2008, 08:41 PM
You can try blogging in the San Juan Star. I will try to get the link.
LarryMac
05-14-2008, 09:02 PM
http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2008/04/sinclair-story-hits-msm-in-puerto-rico.html
According to other reports, this TV show actually historically makes and breaks political candidates in Puerto Rico.
El Cuco
05-14-2008, 09:51 PM
I hope that that's right. I left PR 30 years ago and only go to vivit my mother every 3-4 months. She said people loved Chelsea and maybe that's why she was thera again this week. I will try to fing out more about Sinclair.
endodoc79
05-14-2008, 09:59 PM
I had seen some tapes from the show SuperXclusivo- it was part in English and part in Spanish- they devoted several shows to Larry Sinclair- I had heard it was a very big story down there. I also heard she was polling at about 70% (similar to WV). They have a history of high voter turnout.
ginamc
05-14-2008, 10:02 PM
Delta has a flight going thru JFK for $445 round trip (from Rochester) right now if we leave on Thursday, May 29 and return on Sunday, June 1st.
I can wish can't I?
People in San Antonio are going to work for Hillary. I just got asked today. Only thing is flight $$$. I would imagine that people in FL and NY, were also asked.
ginamc
05-14-2008, 10:03 PM
I had seen some tapes from the show SuperXclusivo- it was part in English and part in Spanish- they devoted several shows to Larry Sinclair- I had heard it was a very big story down there. I also heard she was polling at about 70% (similar to WV). They have a history of high voter turnout.
Yes, yes, that's it. I thought I had it saved in my favorite places, but I can't find it right now. It is supposed to be a HUGE story over there. It's been out there for well over a month, maybe 2!
Bad Kitty
05-14-2008, 10:07 PM
Thanks for the pics WV4. Go PR!!
WV4Hillary
05-14-2008, 10:14 PM
Well, with a 2 million turnout, she gains 200,000 votes for each 10 pts.
So 65-35 nets us 600,000 pop votes.
70-30 would net us 800,000.
Puerto Rico is gonna give us the popular vote. Did you say she was polling at 70% endodoc..!?
No problem Starr, they are from Hillary's website, lol.
WV4Hillary
05-14-2008, 10:30 PM
She has young people too:
On April 20th, we held a press conference in front of Puerto Rico’s Capitol announcing the endorsement of both the New Progressive Party’s (NPP) and the Puerto Rico Young Democrats (PRYD) youth leadership.
lynfreedom
05-14-2008, 11:01 PM
Obama’s Dubious Past Goes ‘Mainstream’
April 10th, 2008 J Cifre, J.D. Posted in American News, Political Analysis |
http://savagepolitics.com/?p=274
Yesterday in Puerto Rico, a bombshell fell on Barack Obama’s hopes to at least win a small percentage of primary votes in said jurisdiction (he was only receiving 20% of support in the polls). This “bomb” goes by the name of Larry Sinclair and his allegations of homosexuality and cocaine use against Barack Hussein Obama, which happened to go ‘prime time’ yesterday throughout the Island.
Therefore, this exposure to Sinclair’s story is HUGE in Puerto Rico, since it is not only getting ventilated by the most popular show on the island, but it is also getting attention by it’s parent company Televicentro (the highest rated channel on the island), which happens to be the only remaining Puerto Rico owned Media and News source on the Island. Interestingly enough, this controversy is not only damaging to Obama because of the drug-use aspect (smoking marijuana in Puerto Rico could easily label you a ‘junky’ by most), but an even more dramatically damaging aspect of the story is the whole “homosexual” dynamic of the story. Puerto Rico, after all, is a highly socially-conservative Nation, and the idea of having a “gay” President (even a small town mayor) is disturbing enough to ostracize Obama from almost every serious political discourse (and public support). It is well known among most Puertoricans (even the most Liberals) that even slight rumors about the supposed sexual “flimsiness” of a particular candidate is enough to destroy their political hopes in PR politics (case in point: Bhatia).
This is link off their newspaper that tells about people, economy, etc.
Puerto Rico at a Glance Some links on this paper seem to have old info..checking further.
http://www.puertorico-herald.org/PuertoRicoataGlance.html
I had seen other utube with the Puerto Rico show but just found a second one that discusses his polygraph. He is telling them the computer analysis shows he was telling the truth. It was the analyist they used that said he was lying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUp7ElyqdQE&feature=related
WV4Hillary
05-14-2008, 11:12 PM
99% of the population is Christian, 80% are Catholic.
I also like that link from Savage Politics. If it's true...NO WONDER he wants to declare victory on May 20th!!
Puerto Rico is gonna KILL him.
davo_pa
05-14-2008, 11:30 PM
Sorry guys I dont want to sound all negative and stuff but 2,000,000 is a very unrealistic turnout. In my honest opinion it ain't going to happen.
Peple down there view this primary as another referendum or plebescite, which in their minds is not important. Turn out for those is usually around 500,000 I think. So at best expect 1,000,000 people coming out.
That is to say, can you really blame them? Why go out and vote for someone when you won't be able to vote for POTUS come November? That's the mentality down there and if we want a big turnout we'll have to come up with something good to change their minds.
I have included a link for the GOP primary of 2000 that was held in PR.
http://www.ceepur.org/primarias2000/isla.html
Look at these numbers:
Inscritos 2,339,254
Votaron 96,062
Inscritos meaning registered and votaron meaning voted. Please note that not all the of the 2M something registered voters will come out to vote.
So we might have to aim for 500,000 - 800,000. That means a really high turnout. I was down in PR just like a week ago and to my astonishment didn't see any HRC or BO propaganda whatsoever.
So maybe in the following weeks things will change.... :D:cool:
WV4Hillary
05-14-2008, 11:39 PM
^ pop vote hinges on a huge turnout.
If we only get a million or so, she won't win the popular vote. I certainly hope you're wrong.
After Kentucky and Oregon, Puerto Rico will be the only "big" state left. She can fly down there and stay until the June 1st primary - 2 weeks. If she does that, she can capture tons of media attention and get a big turnout.
davo_pa
05-14-2008, 11:43 PM
WV4Hill don't worry we'll def. have MI and FL to include in the tally. I'm just saying what I saw based on when I was there.
And if dems don't dare to include MI and FL in the nomination process, they can kiss the White House goodbye in November.
I am amazed as days pass how such idiots these people are. :mad:
Remember we're in it to win it.. don't lose ur faith yet! :p
endodoc79
05-14-2008, 11:51 PM
Turnout will be big. For many Puertoriquenos NY is a second home. Hillary is Sen. from NY- the people are loyal and I believe will turn out in big numbers for her. And actually I read because they can't vote in the general, it brings out more votes in the primary as it is their one chance to vote for president. The key is to let them know their vote matters. That is why BO/DNC is trying to stop the process, they don't want another embarrassing event. There has been record turnout this primary season and I don't expect anything less from PR.
CriticalOne
05-15-2008, 12:12 AM
I keep seeing people (maybe just the poster that posted it here, I really don't know) use the word "Puertoriquenos" to describe Puerto Ricans. I'm almost certain that they prefer to be called "Borinquen", and I'm not even sure "Puertoriquenos" is even a word.
El Cuco
05-15-2008, 12:29 AM
I keep seeing people (maybe just the poster that posted it here, I really don't know) use the word "Puertoriquenos" to describe Puerto Ricans. I'm almost certain that they prefer to be called "Borinquen", and I'm not even sure "Puertoriquenos" is even a word
"Puertoriquenos" that's correct it comes from Puerto Rico added together and is the correct way in spanish. Borinquen is the name for the island by the original inhabitants, the Taino indians. When Christopher Columbus landed there in 1492, the spanish conquerors called it Puerto Rico, which stands for "rich port". Some people called themeselves boricuas but the correct way is "Puertoriquenos".
ginamc
05-15-2008, 12:59 AM
I keep seeing people (maybe just the poster that posted it here, I really don't know) use the word "Puertoriquenos" to describe Puerto Ricans. I'm almost certain that they prefer to be called "Borinquen", and I'm not even sure "Puertoriquenos" is even a word
"Puertoriquenos" that's correct it comes from Puerto Rico added together and is the correct way in spanish. Borinquen is the name for the island by the original inhabitants, the Taino indians. When Christopher Columbus landed there in 1492, the spanish conquerors called it Puerto Rico, which stands for "rich port". Some people called themeselves boricuas but the correct way is "Puertoriquenos".
As a Latina, I have always heard the word, Puertoriquenos. I have Puerto Rican friends and they refer to themselves that way too. Although, being from the island may be a totally different thing. My BFF went to PR, and different colloquialisms are appropriate for their specific areas.
lynfreedom
05-15-2008, 01:06 AM
80% are expected to turn out to vote. They are deeply interested in this race as over 60% of them want to be considered a state to vote in November also. That is per something I read earlier that got closed before I got the link as electric went out here due to storms.
ginamc
05-15-2008, 01:21 AM
^ pop vote hinges on a huge turnout.
If we only get a million or so, she won't win the popular vote. I certainly hope you're wrong.
After Kentucky and Oregon, Puerto Rico will be the only "big" state left. She can fly down there and stay until the June 1st primary - 2 weeks. If she does that, she can capture tons of media attention and get a big turnout.
I'm going to disagree a bit with davo. I'm not a Puerto Rican. However, as a Mex/Am. political scientist, I do know a few things about Latinos. I do know that our two groups share something in common. Of all of the different ethnicities that comprise the Hispanic group -- only Mex/Am and Puerto Ricans are the Democrats. We vote almost identically. As a matter of fact, Puerto Ricans are even more liberal than Mex/Am who tend to be a little more conservative for various reasons.
Hispanics are great for registering to vote, but actual voting is a different matter, and it is affected by various factors: lack of transportation, child care, working, and apathy, to name a few. In Texas, Blacks actually garnered more delegates because of the "rules" and that was due in large part to the fact that even though there are more Hispanics than blacks, and even though there are more of us registered to vote -- we did not vote in large numbers in 2006. Why? All of the aforementioined factors. And, the race was not interesting. One thing I know about my peeps, we like excitement, drama, intrigue. Our gubenatorial race of 2006 had none of those elements. Besides, he was boring. And, ultimately there was nothing in it for us (a general term, not me specificially).
That all changed with HILLARY!!!! Just a few months ago, Hillary brought us out in record numbers. It was awesome. As you know, WE were the driving force behind the record numbers that voted for Hillary and why she won the Popular vote. Hillary had a personal connection with us. Many Hispanics view her as a sister, a mother, a grandmother, a cousin, a friend, a wife. She is greatly loved and adored. Hispanics are a matriarchal society-- so, Hillary fulfills a deep archetypal aspect inside our subconscious. So, when BO started attacking her since Nevada, word spread immediately. In his Spanish-language ads he called her a "sin verguenza" shameless, "no tiene respeto" no respect. Those are buzz words, code for Hispanics. That was a HUGE turn-off for us. In essence, when BO attacked Hillary, he attacked our mother, grandmother, sister, cousin, wife, friend.
I strongly believe that PR will be in the spotlight, and that Latinos will turn out in record numbers for Hillary. They know that they can determine history. I hope and pray that they step up to the plate, like we did in Texas. We knew that the pressure was on, and we took the challenge. I pray that they will too.
BTW-- PR men love blondes. Seriously. No joke, and definitely not being sexist. So, Hillary "la guerita" is ahead right there already. :)
CriticalOne
05-15-2008, 01:34 AM
I've been so incredibly disappointed to see Hispanic/Latino Americans this political season caricatured and maligned. There is almost no press given to the fact that Hillary has captured the fastest growing group of Democrats in the nation.
No, when you all don't vote for Barack Obama in record numbers it's because you're racist, right? Really, every time I hear that implied I want to vomit. I've been completely disgusted to see the Hispanic/Latino community tossed aside in the press as racists.
I really hope it is Puerto Rico that sends Barack Obama packing. That would be a statement enough in itself. Really, Hillary and the whole Clinton family needs to get down to Puerto Rico and practically set up a new home there. lol
BTW, is the indicted governor of Puerto Rico (the one that endorsed Obama) still popular?
Morgan
05-15-2008, 02:00 AM
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2008/2/6/puerto-rican-poll-power.html
Puerto Rican Poll Power
February 06, 2008 01:41 PM ET | Michael Barone | Permanent Link
Updated on 2/13/07: Puerto Rico's Governor Anibal Acevedo-Vila has endorsed Barack Obama for president. This obviously reduces toward zero the chance that Puerto Rico will produce a unanimous delegation for Hillary Clinton. Other Puerto Rico politicians of Acevedo-Vila's Popular Democratic Party and the opposition New Progressive Party have been seen as leaning to Clinton; it will be interesting to see where they end up (snip)
But one group of 63 delegates is more equal than another. Democratic delegates are supposed to be allocated by proportional representation. But that notion is alien to highly competitive Puerto Rican politics.(snip)
It looks to me like they get more delegates per population than other states.
Population: 3,916,632 (July 2005 est.)
Gender:[12]
Men: 1,845,154
Woman: 2,020,126
Age structure:
0-14 years: 22% (male 441,594; female 421,986)
15-64 years: 65.5% (male 1,228,583; female 1,337,066)
65 years and over: 12.4% (male 211,283; female 276,120) (2005 est.)
Population growth rate: 0.47% (2005 est
2 Los Angeles California 3,849,378 12,950,129
Core city State Pop.[10][11] Metro area Metro area
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/03/07/puerto_rico_democrats_seek_to.html
Puerto Rico has 55 pledged delegates at stake, plus another seven superdelegates, giving it real weight in this closely contested race. Three of the superdelegates are already backing Clinton; two are with Obama and another two are uncommitted. DNC officials said the Puerto Rico proposal will now be submitted to the national party's rules and bylaws committee, which is likely to approve it by phone because there are no meetings scheduled
floorrunner
05-15-2008, 02:41 AM
Does anyone here speaks spanish? You can blog on EL NUEVO DIA, there is also the San Juan Star a daily newpaper in english.
My written Spanish is a lot better than my spoken Spanish. Does anyone have the links to the Puerto Rico newspapers. I could give it a shot and research some of their papers.
WV4Hillary
05-15-2008, 03:15 AM
Hillary has a well-known spanish-speaking mayor (San Francisco?), maybe he has a spanish speaking network to help her out.
hobbitt
05-15-2008, 03:31 AM
My written Spanish is a lot better than my spoken Spanish. Does anyone have the links to the Puerto Rico newspapers. I could give it a shot and research some of their papers.
http://www.onlinenewspapers.com/puerto_r.htm
http://www.abyznewslinks.com/puert.htm
LarryMac
05-15-2008, 01:34 PM
"No, when you all don't vote for Barack Obama in record numbers it's because you're racist, right?"
They control the mainstream media, so it always gets played their way. When Obama, Michelle or Rev Wright do it, its 'anger', when Hispanics, Whites and Asians do it, it's racism. Since when did racism get defined as only going one way towards blacks only.
As I stated before, you don't see 90-95% whites or 90-95% Hispanics, or 90-95% Asians voting for Hillary, so who's more racist?
ginamc
05-15-2008, 02:07 PM
Hillary has a well-known spanish-speaking mayor (San Francisco?), maybe he has a spanish speaking network to help her out.
You are talking about Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa. He is Mayor of Los Angeles. And, he travels with her frequently. I'm sure that he'll go with her to Oregon and Puerto Rico. I met him, and have a pic with him. He helps her open her HQ in heavily populated Latino communities like he did our in San Antonio. He is brilliant, a wonderful speaker, extremely popular, and very handsome :)
WV4Hillary
05-15-2008, 02:11 PM
Good. She needs to take him to Puerto Rico!
Bacio83
05-15-2008, 02:26 PM
^^^ She needs to take us to PR! I wanna go so bad... I was seriously trying to convince my Mom to go with me.... vacation and canvassing!
johnny51981
05-15-2008, 02:32 PM
The only thing I know about Puerto Rico is that they have 5 Miss Universe winners, only second to USA's 7.
But I doubt that will help the campaign any. LOL
ginamc
05-15-2008, 02:34 PM
I've been so incredibly disappointed to see Hispanic/Latino Americans this political season caricatured and maligned. There is almost no press given to the fact that Hillary has captured the fastest growing group of Democrats in the nation.
No, when you all don't vote for Barack Obama in record numbers it's because you're racist, right? Really, every time I hear that implied I want to vomit. I've been completely disgusted to see the Hispanic/Latino community tossed aside in the press as racists.
I really hope it is Puerto Rico that sends Barack Obama packing. That would be a statement enough in itself. Really, Hillary and the whole Clinton family needs to get down to Puerto Rico and practically set up a new home there. lol
BTW, is the indicted governor of Puerto Rico (the one that endorsed Obama) still popular?
Welcome to our world! I have many friends -- professors and attorneys who all called me and took me to lunch, called, drop by my house to have the "talk" with me to snap out of it with Hillary. Can you imagine? The main crux of the argument was -- she is racist! I have been blogging since January about this. I was attacked over and over on DailyK, HuffPo, and Burnt Orange, a Texas blog. It was absurd, really. The only racist remarks I ever saw came from BO supporters calling Latinos racist, ignorant, dumb, uneducated, fearful, on and on and on. And, these were comments from the "enlightened ones" from the elevated Hope/Unity/Change campaign. Notice the same treatment that Southern Whites are now getting? Same thing.
You know, it had absolutely nothing to do with race for Latinos. Personally, adding my two cents -- my fiance is Af/Am, so it is not racism, zenophobia or fear on my part. As a matter of fact, I was actually open to BO until January. My fiance was too from one black man to another, not anymore. Because, when you see Hillary vis-a-vis BO resumes, experience, judgment... it's a no-brainer. Couple that with the fact that the Clintons have a long history and RELATIONSHIP with Hispanics and BO has NO EXPERIENCE or relationship with Latinos. What did the guy expect?! You know, and if you oppose him -- RACIST. Honestly, I am getting sick of it ALL.
Hillary's very first political job was in South Texas in 1972. She organized migrant workers and other Mex-Americans to vote. She lived for months in San Antonio, the Rio Grande Valley, and Austin. Bill was in charge of Texas for McGovern, but HILLARY was the real organizer -- the listener, the bridge-builder. Do you know that when Ted Kennedy pulled his b.s. with Hillary, that Hispanics that had long held the Kennedys in high esteem, dropped their support for him and still supported Hillary?! Bill did tremendous things for Latinos while in the White House. And, Hillary was the one that kept coming back to Texas to visit with us. I went to a Hillary fundraiser that she gave for John Kerry in 2004.
So... how does a history and relationship with millions of people compare to Mr. Hopey/Changey guy? it doesn't. But, hey... racists. Go figure.
ginamc
05-15-2008, 02:35 PM
^^^ She needs to take us to PR! I wanna go so bad... I was seriously trying to convince my Mom to go with me.... vacation and canvassing!
Let's go! My only problem with going was my State Convention is that week :(
We can move this one back to the main room after May 20. Right now we need to focus on KY and OR.
CriticalOne
05-15-2008, 09:09 PM
Welcome to our world! I have many friends -- professors and attorneys who all called me and took me to lunch, called, drop by my house to have the "talk" with me to snap out of it with Hillary. Can you imagine? The main crux of the argument was -- she is racist! I have been blogging since January about this. I was attacked over and over on DailyK, HuffPo, and Burnt Orange, a Texas blog. It was absurd, really. The only racist remarks I ever saw came from BO supporters calling Latinos racist, ignorant, dumb, uneducated, fearful, on and on and on. And, these were comments from the "enlightened ones" from the elevated Hope/Unity/Change campaign. Notice the same treatment that Southern Whites are now getting? Same thing.
You know, it had absolutely nothing to do with race for Latinos. Personally, adding my two cents -- my fiance is Af/Am, so it is not racism, zenophobia or fear on my part. As a matter of fact, I was actually open to BO until January. My fiance was too from one black man to another, not anymore. Because, when you see Hillary vis-a-vis BO resumes, experience, judgment... it's a no-brainer. Couple that with the fact that the Clintons have a long history and RELATIONSHIP with Hispanics and BO has NO EXPERIENCE or relationship with Latinos. What did the guy expect?! You know, and if you oppose him -- RACIST. Honestly, I am getting sick of it ALL.
Hillary's very first political job was in South Texas in 1972. She organized migrant workers and other Mex-Americans to vote. She lived for months in San Antonio, the Rio Grande Valley, and Austin. Bill was in charge of Texas for McGovern, but HILLARY was the real organizer -- the listener, the bridge-builder. Do you know that when Ted Kennedy pulled his b.s. with Hillary, that Hispanics that had long held the Kennedys in high esteem, dropped their support for him and still supported Hillary?! Bill did tremendous things for Latinos while in the White House. And, Hillary was the one that kept coming back to Texas to visit with us. I went to a Hillary fundraiser that she gave for John Kerry in 2004.
So... how does a history and relationship with millions of people compare to Mr. Hopey/Changey guy? it doesn't. But, hey... racists. Go figure.
Thank you for that, Gina. People so conveniently forget their connection with the hispanic community. I am amazed when an ignorant media ask "why do they like her so much?" and then they jump to the most sinister conclusion.
Puerto Rico will send a message, and it will be an even more important message than most seeing as how Puerto Rico isn't nearly as caught up in our mainland past and history as well are. What it will show is that a territory is looking at this race from a clear-headed and objective perspective.
RayinAR
05-15-2008, 10:15 PM
Sorry guys I dont want to sound all negative and stuff but 2,000,000 is a very unrealistic turnout. In my honest opinion it ain't going to happen.
Peple down there view this primary as another referendum or plebescite, which in their minds is not important. Turn out for those is usually around 500,000 I think. So at best expect 1,000,000 people coming out.
That is to say, can you really blame them? Why go out and vote for someone when you won't be able to vote for POTUS come November? That's the mentality down there and if we want a big turnout we'll have to come up with something good to change their minds.
I have included a link for the GOP primary of 2000 that was held in PR.
http://www.ceepur.org/primarias2000/isla.html
Look at these numbers:
Inscritos 2,339,254
Votaron 96,062
Inscritos meaning registered and votaron meaning voted. Please note that not all the of the 2M something registered voters will come out to vote.
So we might have to aim for 500,000 - 800,000. That means a really high turnout. I was down in PR just like a week ago and to my astonishment didn't see any HRC or BO propaganda whatsoever.
So maybe in the following weeks things will change.... :D:cool:
You got to understand Davo that this is the first election to where PR will be a primary. Before this election it has been a caucus which seems to automatically lower turnout. So turnout may be bigger than you think.
floorrunner
05-15-2008, 10:55 PM
I've read some stories in some of the papers in PR. One story was about the Edwards endorsement. The general feeling of the article was that it was no big deal. They did not come out and say that. They only stated the facts. I have not found anything substantial about Larry Sinclair yet. I am looking right now for some blogs but have not found any promising ones yet.
lynfreedom
05-18-2008, 06:13 AM
I've read some stories in some of the papers in PR. One story was about the Edwards endorsement. The general feeling of the article was that it was no big deal. They did not come out and say that. They only stated the facts. I have not found anything substantial about Larry Sinclair yet. I am looking right now for some blogs but have not found any promising ones yet.
Good about endorsement. Any activities planned for there.
RayinAR
05-21-2008, 09:57 PM
here it is Gina
mjno7777
05-21-2008, 11:28 PM
Does anyone here speaks spanish? You can blog on EL NUEVO DIA, there is also the San Juan Star a daily newpaper in english.
Blogging and commenting on here would be a way to get a feel for the numbers. NOW, June 1st is before South Dakota and Montana so A HUGE WIN FOR HILLARY can help in the two very last primaries.
Let's get the forum to post here.
Arctic907
05-22-2008, 12:12 AM
Travel Expenses to Puerto Rico
Is there anyway that one could contribute to the travel expenses for people who are willing to go to PR but need some financial support? Does the Clinton Campaign have a way to do this such as "Sponsor a PR Volunteer."
brussell
05-22-2008, 12:24 AM
One-degree of separation: Obama superdelegate indicted
Written by bmerry on Mar-27-08 10:24am
Puerto Rican Gov. Anibal Acevedo-Vila and twelve others have been charged in a sealed indictment by U.S. authorities on "18 counts in a long-running campaign finance probe."
http://www.zimbio.com/Governor+Anibal+Acevedo+Vila+/articles/5/One+degree+separation+Obama+superdelegate
CriticalOne
05-22-2008, 12:29 AM
Maybe not a funny joke, but you had to have known that was a joke.
Yeah, the governor of Puerto Rico (an Obama superdelegate) was indicted a few months back on a list of corruption charges. What I want to know is if the governor is still popular, though?
AdrienneJ
05-22-2008, 12:36 AM
Thank you for pointing that out to me CriticalOne...Usually I have a very good sense of humor. I was wondering why the smiley wink was there.
Duh on my part. Actually that is very funny, if you're awake. I'm fried and waiting for the Evelyn Pringle curtain time for Obama part VI come out so I can go read it in bed. Apologies again Clintonfan. You guys are magnificent.
Brooke
05-22-2008, 12:37 AM
Sorry, I didn't mean to offend anybody. It was a joke but I shouldn't have said it.
AdrienneJ
05-22-2008, 12:39 AM
About the Gov. of Puerto Rico, someone here posted a while back that he was not popular. Also in news reports has been the analysis that because of the indictments he won't be able to campaign for Obama. The stuff I read said that everywhere he goes the reporters will be asking him about the charges he is facing. So rumor has it he will be ducking the spotlight.
AdrienneJ
05-22-2008, 12:44 AM
Sorry, I didn't mean to offend anybody. It was a joke but I shouldn't have said it.
You're cool ClintonFan... I was just being slow. God bless.
Travel Expenses to Puerto Rico
Is there anyway that one could contribute to the travel expenses for people who are willing to go to PR but need some financial support? Does the Clinton Campaign have a way to do this such as "Sponsor a PR Volunteer."
You could certainly ask. If you remember back to PA, they had a funding drive whereby you could nominate where you wanted your contribution to be spent - eg. on TV ads, on signs, on radio ads...They could do something like that for PR. Worth contacting the campaign to ask if they could do something like this - sponsor a volunteer to go to PR. I think that would be popular.
WV4Hillary
05-22-2008, 12:50 AM
Well...we've pretty much decided this is war...so..in war terms..-puts on his battle helmet-
Team Obama has 4 major troops for the Puerto Rican War.
Troop 1: Obama - Unable to attend - will be asked about Sinclair - OUT!
Troop 2: Gov. - Indicted - TAKEN CARE OF!
Troop 3: Gov. Richardson - Possible threat
Troop 4: Michelle Obama - Possible threat
Team Clinton has 4 possible troops:
Troop 1: Hillary Clinton - Good to go!
Troop 2: Bill Clinton - May have to stay for South Dakota and Montana
Troop 3: Chelsea Clinton - Popular in Puerto Rico! Major asset in this battle!
Troop 4: Mayor in California - Possibly? No word.
Seems we have the upperhand.
Terrain:
Hispanic
Catholic
Sees New York as second home
Looks good for us! This is the second to last battle! LET'S WIN IT BIG!!
(Haha..man..)
Latina4Hillary
05-22-2008, 11:30 AM
Contact Ricki Lieberman [rrl22222@gmail.com]. She makes travel arrangements for volunteers who can travel from New York City to primary states.
Leekosagrios
05-22-2008, 11:35 AM
I strongly believe Hillary needs to send a Newyorican down to PR to get the vote out, not a Mexican-American.
There are certain negative rifts between Chicanos (Mex-Am) and boricuas (PRs), so sending a Chicano to PR would be a little delicate. I am sure there are lots of PRs in NY who are public figures who could campaign there. Besides, Willie Colón is a very popular figure there and he's supporting HIllary.
ginamc
05-22-2008, 12:23 PM
About the Gov. of Puerto Rico, someone here posted a while back that he was not popular. Also in news reports has been the analysis that because of the indictments he won't be able to campaign for Obama. The stuff I read said that everywhere he goes the reporters will be asking him about the charges he is facing. So rumor has it he will be ducking the spotlight.
I heard the exact same thing about the Gov. of PR. Funny, either the BO supporters are super naive or really corrupt.
ginamc
05-22-2008, 12:29 PM
I strongly believe Hillary needs to send a Newyorican down to PR to get the vote out, not a Mexican-American.
There are certain negative rifts between Chicanos (Mex-Am) and boricuas (PRs), so sending a Chicano to PR would be a little delicate. I am sure there are lots of PRs in NY who are public figures who could campaign there. Besides, Willie Colón is a very popular figure there and he's supporting HIllary.
I see your pont of view. However, you might be overly concerned or slightly misinformed. I don't like to make generalizations. But, the Mex/Am that I know have a long-standing relationship with PRs for a very long while now through LULAC and unions. My friends in TX have been working in the trenches in the PR communities in NJ, NY, and recently in Pennsylvania for Hillary -- no problems whatsoever. As a matter of fact, they formed a rather large group comprised of Latinos from the SW and PRs from the NE -- that know each other well, trust each other, have great friendships, and basically share a close bond with each other. They are going to Puerto Rico on Sunday.
So, if you know PRs from New York, you should contact them, book a flight, and go ASAP. We spoke to Emmy/Hillary campaign, yesterday -- help is needed. I've been helping to raise money all week for this -- friends are taking off from work, dipping into their own limited resources and going to answer the call for help for HILLARY!
Karee Wyoming
05-22-2008, 12:55 PM
You can try blogging in the San Juan Star. I will try to get the link.
I think the indictment of the corrupt PR Govoner, who lets not forget is a SD for O-Bama will defnitely work against him - Birds of a feather flock together - Hillary will blow BO out!!!!! This Gov. & Lary Sinclair will sink him!!!!
ginamc
05-22-2008, 01:13 PM
I think the indictment of the corrupt PR Govoner, who lets not forget is a SD for O-Bama will defnitely work against him - Birds of a feather flock together - Hillary will blow BO out!!!!! This Gov. & Lary Sinclair will sink him!!!!
I really believe that too! Definitely, birds of a feather... more than ironic here.
hills
05-22-2008, 06:14 PM
I think the Rezko story might work better here
samkm
05-22-2008, 06:52 PM
Bloggers' Resources for Puerto Rico: http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=12782
Spanish speakers: http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=12666
MySpace profile (pro-hillary 4 puerto rico):
http://www.myspace.com/hillarypr
Kbentleyis
05-22-2008, 11:09 PM
I think our best bet would be to tell the citizens of PR, that their vote will help Hillary win the popular vote. We tell them the truth. Let them know how important each vote is.
After all, that's what people really want is to be told the truth. This is a crusade to get Hillary in the WH and that she is the best candidate for all the people.
They should be told that Hillary didn't forget them. That they wanted her to drop out before the remaining 10 states could vote. She insists that every vote counts and their's is more important because they'll decide the democratic nominee for the primary.
I heard the exact same thing about the Gov. of PR. Funny, either the BO supporters are super naive or really corrupt.
Well, they are not naiive. So draw your conclusion.
El Cuco
05-22-2008, 11:47 PM
I was reading at Hillary's website a post from someone who called the headquarters in San Juan and was told that in Puerto Rico they don't call people like we do here. It's advertising, radio, TV, paper and if I recall when I was groeing up we have vans with loudspeakers that go through the neighborhoods. So she needs money to ad but not callers. They say they need volunteers through the island. When I talked to my mom last she said on the last poll Hillary was ahead in San Juan but he was ahead in the smalls town. I though that was weird since is the opposite here? A while ago ( during March ) there was a blog during womans month by a puerto rican congresswoman from NY. I think that would be the right person to send to PR for Hillary. I am sure there are many "newyoricans" that could go to the island to volunteer. That will speak volumes for Hillary, more than Richardson since he is from mexican descendant and probably would not identify with puertoricans as well. I am going to Hillary's website to see if I can find that congresswoman post.
El Cuco
05-22-2008, 11:52 PM
Blog entry from HC website:
Celebrating Women: A Note from Congresswoman Nydia M. Velázquez
by Congresswoman Nydia M. Velázquez (D-NY)3/25/2008 10:20:45 AMThis entry is part of a series in celebration of Women's History Month.
I grew up in a very modest home near Puerto Rico's Rio Limon. My family didn't have much, but I had a great role model - my mother. To make ends meet she sold pasteles, a traditional Puerto Rican food, to the workers in the sugar cane fields. It was difficult work considering she was also raising nine children, but she never complained. Because of her tireless efforts, I was able to get a good education and go on to be the first Puerto Rican woman elected to the U.S. House of Representatives.
Today, I serve the residents of Brooklyn, Queens and Manhattan's Lower East Side with the same humility, resolve and unwavering sense of commitment that I learned from my mother. In fact, those qualities define my work as a public official, and they are the lens through which I judge our Presidential candidates.
That is exactly why I support Hillary. She is an experienced leader who is committed to working on our behalf. She has the ability to show every American that there are no constraints strong enough to keep us from achieving our dreams. And, just as importantly, she understands that our history is written in the selfless actions of people like my mother. As we celebrate Women's History Month, we should remember those facts, and use the lessons we have learned to make the best choice in this election.
El Cuco
05-22-2008, 11:54 PM
Does anyone has a way to contacting her? I think she would be a great surrogate for Hillary in Puerto Rico. She is one of their own an inspiration. I hope Hillary's campaign already thought of her.
Golden_Pursuit
05-23-2008, 12:19 AM
Though I'm sure that the Hillary Campaign has long been on this case already, let's do our part to make sure that Congresswoman Nydia M. Velazquez, the first Puerto Rican to be elected to Congress, is an active part of Hillary's campaign in her own birthplace. Here is her official website where we can contact her.
http://www.house.gov/velazquez/contact/index.html
I will be writing her an e-mail expressing my thanks for her endorsement and for the work she has done in New York, and to ask if she will be willing to campaign in person in Puerto Rico or at least develop a grassroots network of support specifically with Puerto Ricans living in New York (a very substantial population) to raise awareness for their relatives back in Puerto Rico. It is important to note that the Puerto Rican Parade, a very large event, in New York City that will be taking place soon (June 8), and that she will probably a bit preoccupied with organizing and such with this event. So, if you want you can take note of that in your e-mail, thats what I'm gonna do. Anyway, good luck and we're gonna do great in Puerto Rico. I'm just so excited about this state knowing that if Puerto Ricans come out in record numbers (and recent elections have Puerto Ricans voting in 1.8 mils) she needs little more than 60% to beat Obama decisively in all counts of the popular vote (w/ or w/o Fl. and Mi. and w/ or w/o the disputed caucuses of IA, WA, ME, NV, blah blah blah.)
HILLARY '08
WV4Hillary
05-23-2008, 01:28 AM
Everyone keeps talking about polls...but I haven't seen ANY Puerto Rico polls excpet one 50-37 one.
I thought Hillary was polling in the 70's there? No?
CriticalOne
05-23-2008, 01:42 AM
No. The 50-37 is the only poll I've ever seen, either.
Leekosagrios
05-23-2008, 11:08 AM
The thing we need to keep in mind is that personal appearances by the candidate is the most helpful and efficient way to get votes in Puerto Rico. Boricuas vote the same way Latin American countries vote: they promote their candidate by word of mouth, TV, radio, and newspapers.
A candidate/surrogates need to talk directly with the people, and the best places to do this is at the plazas, where boricuas gather in afternoons to eat, chat, and nap. Outdoor activities are a major passtime in PR, and that saves time from having to actually get a crowd together.
We need to send Velasquez there to relate directly with boricuas. People will be VERY wary of Richardon's message because he's a foreigner, unknown, and of Mexican ancestry. Velasquez is a full-blooded boricua, born there, and who knows what people want.
hills
05-23-2008, 11:28 AM
Is it an open or closed primary?
The thing we need to keep in mind is that personal appearances by the candidate is the most helpful and efficient way to get votes in Puerto Rico. Boricuas vote the same way Latin American countries vote: they promote their candidate by word of mouth, TV, radio, and newspapers.
A candidate/surrogates need to talk directly with the people, and the best places to do this is at the plazas, where boricuas gather in afternoons to eat, chat, and nap. Outdoor activities are a major passtime in PR, and that saves time from having to actually get a crowd together.
We need to send Velasquez there to relate directly with boricuas. People will be VERY wary of Richardon's message because he's a foreigner, unknown, and of Mexican ancestry. Velasquez is a full-blooded boricua, born there, and who knows what people want.
Yes, there is some mention to that in this article:
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=12888
Arctic907
05-23-2008, 12:31 PM
Calling Spanish speaking board members. I did a search of a PR newspaper using "Clinton." I don't speak Spanish but for those who do, maybe take a look and see if comments should be made. She is going to be in PR tomorrow.
Arctic907
05-23-2008, 12:31 PM
Forgot the link:
http://buscador.elnuevodia.com/resultados.aspx
AdrienneJ
05-23-2008, 04:39 PM
http://www.onlinenewspapers.com/puerto_r.htm
http://www.abyznewslinks.com/puert.htm
for access to Puerto Rican online newspapers
AdrienneJ
05-23-2008, 05:10 PM
I think the Larry Sinclair story would be good to blog about in PR.
PR is the only place that has given the story any air time.
The story continues to develop. A Chicago homicide cop is in the process of getting Larry's phone records from the phone company... this is to see if the phone records can show that Larry spoke with Donald Young.
Donald Young is the choirmaster from Trinity Church that was found murdered on December 25th (this past Christmas- only 5 months ago).
I am going to try and post a useable summary of the Sinclair story later today.
When blogging into PR, I think it would be a good idea to post Larry's
website: Larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com
The radio interviews done with Jeff Rense are particularly informative and well-done. This can be accessed by going on Larry's site and scrolling down the right-hand side of the page.
ginamc
05-23-2008, 05:46 PM
I was reading at Hillary's website a post from someone who called the headquarters in San Juan and was told that in Puerto Rico they don't call people like we do here. It's advertising, radio, TV, paper and if I recall when I was groeing up we have vans with loudspeakers that go through the neighborhoods
Okie-- I spoke directly with Hillary's Campaign Mgr., you are mostly right. She said that there is no canvassing/blockwalking like we traditionally do in U.S. However, in addition to cavassing and phone banks, that is what is done in our barrios, and from what I understand that is what was done in PA -- my friends did mostly visibility and other attentioin getters along with canvassing/block walking. I'm going to generalize here -- most Latinos love party-style action. That's what works in my barrio. We always have to do lots of attention-getter actions with music even when we do visibility rallies after work or going through the streets with the loudspeakers. That's the way it was in Latin America when I was there for elections.
A candidate/surrogates need to talk directly with the people, and the best places to do this is at the plazas, where boricuas gather in afternoons to eat, chat, and nap. Outdoor activities are a major passtime in PR, and that saves time from having to actually get a crowd together.
Leeko-- you're right too. I have worked in Mexico City and Costa Rica during elections -- plazas are where all the action is, it's the center of everything. Don't worry... Velazquez will go out there with Hillary -- that is a given.
It's ALL good.
Viva la Hilaria!
desmagee88
05-23-2008, 08:13 PM
Here is some polling data from PR in 2006. It is useful to establish the talking points and what matters to the people there. Please note the Pro-choice question near the end. Full of useful demographics
http://www.puertorico-herald.org/issues2/2007/vol11n01/061130-PuertoRico-Herald.org-Public-Opinion-Survey-November-2006.pdf
The next Demographic study gives age, gender etc profiles
http://www.puertoricowow.com/about_puerto_rico/eng/population.php
I also found out that in PR, the delegates are awarded in a block with zero going to the loser. Even though DNC rules say different, its tradition and rules are ignored...but I wouldn't post this info anywhere!
desmagee88
05-23-2008, 08:17 PM
I think the Larry Sinclair story would be good to blog about in PR.
PR is the only place that has given the story any air time.
The story continues to develop. A Chicago homicide cop is in the process of getting Larry's phone records from the phone company... this is to see if the phone records can show that Larry spoke with Donald Young.
Donald Young is the choirmaster from Trinity Church that was found murdered on December 25th (this past Christmas- only 5 months ago).
I am going to try and post a useable summary of the Sinclair story later today.
When blogging into PR, I think it would be a good idea to post Larry's
website: Larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com
The radio interviews done with Jeff Rense are particularly informative and well-done. This can be accessed by going on Larry's site and scrolling down the right-hand side of the page.
I would be wary of pushing this Sinclair issue in PR and being associated with it.
The real issue for Peurtoricans is religion (over 90% attend church) and Obama's Muslim/Christian dilemma allied to Rev Wright is a massive turn off for people there. Better to post Wright videos than Sinclair ones imo.
AdrienneJ
05-23-2008, 09:18 PM
Here's my take on the main Larry Sinclair story.
Sinclair claims that in 1999 when Barack Obama was an Illinois State Senator,
he had sexual relations with him. They also did drugs together. Sinclair states that he, himself, snorted cocaine and Obama smoked crack. This happened on two different occassions.
Sinclair further claims that he contacted Obama's campaign to attempt to persuade Obama to tell the truth about his, Obama's, drug use. (Obama had admitted to using drugs while he was younger, but certainly not at the point when he became an IL state senator.)
Sinclair says his motivation in attempting to contact Obama (through his campaign) was because he was concerned that someone running for President should not be telling lies. Sinclair states that since Obama had accused the Bush organization of being a pack of liars, that it wouldn't be right for Obama to already be telling lies. "If you're willing to lie to get into the office, what are you willing to do once you are there?"--L.Sinclair 1/23/08 interview with Jeff Rense.
Sinclair states that he was contacted by Donald Young, a man who he had never spoken with before. From September through early to mid-December Young contacted him several times by phone and e-mail. He used a number that Sinclair says he had only given to the Obama campaign. Young wanted to know why Sinclair hadn't mentioned any of the sexual contact with Obama, just the drugs. Sinclair says this surprised him, for he hadn't mentioned the sex. He didn't know how Young could know of the sex. Young allegedly told Sinclair that he also had had sexual relations with Obama.
On December 25, (5 months ago) Young was found murdered in his apartment.
Sinclair has received numerous death threats, ridicule and harassment for making his statements.
AdrienneJ
05-23-2008, 09:24 PM
Donald Young was the openly gay African American Choir Master of
Trinity Church.
El Cuco
05-23-2008, 10:51 PM
I saw the you tube on Larry Sinclair in PR tv, but when I ask my mom she says she has not heard a word about it. I agree that there must be a way that it can be further exposed in PR since it already was aired on TV.
El Cuco
05-23-2008, 11:52 PM
I emailed the campaign and offer to help sponsor someone, I got a response asking me if I could volunteer is Montana and South Dakota. I want to help someone go to PR, but it has to be someone that speaks spanish and will work her but of while there. Maybe the forum can sponsor someone if we all pitch in. I have the email of the person coordinating the volunteers in San Juan.
Hillforceone
05-24-2008, 08:05 AM
Hillary did an interview for a Puerto Rican TV station while she was in Florida.
You can download it from here:
http://hillforceone.blogspot.com/2008/05/hrc-interview-wapa-puerto-rico.html
The interview was conducted in English and has Spanish voice-over for the questions and subtitles for Hillary's answers.
Hillary will be in Puerto Rico today:
5:00 pm
"Solutions For Puerto Rico’s Families" town hall
Aguadilla, Puerto Rico
moni k.
El Cuco
05-24-2008, 11:24 AM
There is a Willie Colon video pro Hillary out there. Does someone has the link? Please post it here, I saw it at Taylor Marsh but I am not very computer literate and couldn't copy it.
There is a Willie Colon video pro Hillary out there. Does someone has the link? Please post it here, I saw it at Taylor Marsh but I am not very computer literate and couldn't copy it.
YouTube - WILLIE COLÓN APOYA A HIILLARY CLINTON
El Cuco
05-24-2008, 12:06 PM
Thank you for posting the video. I think the message is very true and Puerto Ricans should respond very positive, if they get to hear it? I hope the play it in loudspeakers all over the island!
I translated it for all of you to enjoy, I love the message! (especially the part of the newcomer!)
She extended her hand to Hispanic brothers
not because she was looking for votes
34 years ago, tell me who is she? Hillary!
Hear me my people, I Willie Colon tell you.
She fought to find care for grandmas and children.
Tell me who was she? Hillary!
Hear me my people, it's true! Hillary!
34 years experience in any emergency
I go with Hillary, for conviction and eloquence.
Hillary Clinton for president
Difference that counts, hear me my people
Use your conscience!
Don't believe a newcomer
Hillary has a great legacy, lets recognize her compromise.
Let's vote for her at this precise moment.
HILLARY!
Sylvia
05-24-2008, 12:10 PM
Does anyone here speaks spanish? You can blog on EL NUEVO DIA, there is also the San Juan Star a daily newpaper in english.
Do you have a link? I'm fluent in Spanish.
El Cuco
05-24-2008, 12:26 PM
I am not very computer literate, I copied this from another thread. Try Nuevo Dia, that's the largest circulating paper in PR.
http://www.mondotimes.com/1/world/pr
MS BLUEGRASS
05-24-2008, 02:49 PM
Ya know, we just might have to go canvass in PR... *sigh* that would suck sandy beaches... beautiful weather..... So... when are we going?
I have been thinking that very thought! I am ready! I have the time, energy, money and enthusiasm! Besides that, I would like to meet more of you on this forum! Since meeting Hillary08 was such a great experience, I know the other 2,274 members are cut from the same fabric! I have been to San Juan...nice place, nice people! Here's TO PUERTO RICO! When do we depart?
MS BLUEGRASS
05-24-2008, 03:09 PM
Celebrating Women: A Note from Congresswoman Nydia M. Velázquez
by Congresswoman Nydia M. Velázquez (D-NY)3/25/2008 10:20:45 AMThis entry is part of a series in celebration of Women's History Month.
I grew up in a very modest home near Puerto Rico's Rio Limon. My family didn't have much, but I had a great role model - my mother. To make ends meet she sold pasteles, a traditional Puerto Rican food, to the workers in the sugar cane fields. It was difficult work considering she was also raising nine children, but she never complained. Because of her tireless efforts, I was able to get a good education and go on to be the first Puerto Rican woman elected to the U.S. House of Representatives.
Today, I serve the residents of Brooklyn, Queens and Manhattan's Lower East Side with the same humility, resolve and unwavering sense of commitment that I learned from my mother. In fact, those qualities define my work as a public official, and they are the lens through which I judge our Presidential candidates.
That is exactly why I support Hillary. She is an experienced leader who is committed to working on our behalf. She has the ability to show every American that there are no constraints strong enough to keep us from achieving our dreams. And, just as importantly, she understands that our history is written in the selfless actions of people like my mother. As we celebrate Women's History Month, we should remember those facts, and use the lessons we have learned to make the best choice in this election.
Wow! I had chills as I was reading this! Very moving and compelling!
I have found the majority of Puerto Ricans to be politically active and they seem to relish political campaigns. They love tangible symbols, so I hope the campaign has lots of buttons, shirts, stickers etc. to give out. The vehicles with speaker systems strapped to the top blaring music and politico messages are a must! My Spanish is limited, un poco, but I would relish a trip to PR.
El Cuco
05-24-2008, 03:58 PM
I emailed Congresswoman Nydia M. Velázquez asking her to campaign in PR. I think she would be very effective. I have not gotten aresponse. Here is her email if anyone else wants to contact her.
http://www.house.gov/velazquez/contact/index.html
MS BLUEGRASS
05-24-2008, 04:28 PM
I emailed Congresswoman Nydia M. Velázquez asking her to campaign in PR. I think she would be very effective. I have not gotten aresponse. Here is her email if anyone else wants to contact her.
http://www.house.gov/velazquez/contact/index.html
I sent her a "thank you" as well!
WV4Hillary
05-24-2008, 04:34 PM
It seems you can only email her if you're from New York?
AdrienneJ
05-24-2008, 06:56 PM
I am not very computer literate, I copied this from another thread. Try Nuevo Dia, that's the largest circulating paper in PR.
http://www.mondotimes.com/1/world/pr
If you take this link it will take you to a poll (right hand side of page):
"Barack Obama has not accomplished anything in his life"
true 51%
false 49%
we're currently winning. LOL
p.s. thank you for the translation of the song. very nice.
p.p.s. that link has an English first page, from there you can access media
(all in Spanish). My Spanish stinks, so I'm going to be blogging into English speaking media.
El Cuco
05-24-2008, 06:56 PM
I left the NY there but under the town I wrote my town and state. Then I signed it with name, town and state. I hope she got it, I have not gotten a response, but then I never get responses from any body I write regarding Hillary.Maybe we can e mail to Hillary tips in her website.
El Cuco
05-24-2008, 07:02 PM
I emailed and offered that same thing. They asked me to travel to WV and Montana instead............
MS BLUEGRASS
05-24-2008, 07:24 PM
It seems you can only email her if you're from New York?
I took that to mean she would not respond back...but I put in a friend's zip, (11104) then it came back and ask me to put in the 4 digit code...blargh! I hope it goes thru!
PolitikaFreedom
05-24-2008, 08:12 PM
- Obama can't bus people in.
I hope that he won't be paying illegals there to vote for him, or some other shady tactic that has not yet been raised or pushed or discussed.
Delegates and super delegates need to know of first hand accounts, personal stories and letters and the like that they cannot stand consciously by Obama come the DNC, as it is not the people vote that Barack has, but shady money to buy shady votes' and he stands no chance against McCain.
I spoke with a potential voter, an undecided democrat in Oregon, a story shared with many other's on the ground making calls to Undecided voters for Hillary, and He asked me for money to vote for Hillary ($20), and when I said that Hillary Clinton will not pay money for his support then he said: "well okay then Barack will, so I guess I will vote for Obama then"
I just returned from a 10 day 7:30am to 9pm schedule, Stage 3 campaigning as an out state volunteer in Beaverton OR for Hillary Clinton for President and I am ready to leave right now for PR if housing and funds come through.
I did a lot of canvassing and door to door, and visibility,, and calls and everything necessary to give her a lead from 25 % behind Bambi to closing behind him only 7%, which is a huge margin in a very tough state, also it was just in the last couple of days of the closing in mail in ballot deadline.
Whoever is on the ground in PR, county that needs more people or bodies, those out of state volunteers need to be enabled and activated NOW!
Bad Kitty
05-24-2008, 08:24 PM
Voted but he did accomplish tearing our country apart.
PolitikaFreedom
05-24-2008, 09:34 PM
I heard the exact same thing about the Gov. of PR. Funny, either the BO supporters are super naive or really corrupt.
Unfortunately BO supporters are both. We need to take our country back from the obvious manipulation, bamboozling the American Democratic Electorate, and we need to make sure that our chance to have the best president yet for this country is not stolen from us in broad daylight, and we need to make sure that we take our country back from the realms of fear and hell and greed and corruption that have nothing to do with us, the spirit of the people who are honest, and hardworking, humbled and intelligent. I am along for this noble American Revolution until Hillary is Nominated! And when I say 'until Hillary is nominated', that means exactly that: Hillary will be nominated sooner or later, as I will not back down until then!
Sylvia
05-25-2008, 04:40 AM
I am not very computer literate, I copied this from another thread. Try Nuevo Dia, that's the largest circulating paper in PR.
http://www.mondotimes.com/1/world/pr
I found them here:
http://www.elnuevodia.com/forosciudadanos/seccion/otros
Hillary's agenda for Puerto Rico (in Spanish):
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/es/view/?id=6594
El Cuco
05-25-2008, 11:04 AM
Murray, do you ever sleep? =)
Murray, do you ever sleep? =)
Sometimes! ;) But if I wasted time sleeping too much I would miss finding things like this:
YouTube - Hillary Clinton Puerto Rico
desmagee88
05-25-2008, 11:43 AM
I know there is an estimate of the turnout in the first post but I have read elsewhere of a mere 30% turnout (a far cry from the 80% estimate).
Does anyone have any links that could tie the likely turnout down to a more accurate figure?
I know there is an estimate of the turnout in the first post but I have read elsewhere of a mere 30% turnout (a far cry from the 80% estimate).
Does anyone have any links that could tie the likely turnout down to a more accurate figure?
I think it's near impossible to predict. When was the last time a Democratic primary had this level of coverage, this late in the game? Who knows how many will vote. I think it's ridiculous, however, that PRs cannot be vote in the general election.
threedee
05-25-2008, 02:14 PM
"__Because NEITHER candidate can really send people down to volunteer, all volunteer work is from Puerto Ricans themselves. If Hillary has more support, she also has more volunteers, and therefore more people to help increase her vote even more!!___"
SEIU (Obama supporters) is holding their national convention in PR same time as as GOTV there and on election day. Obama camp has built in supporters with them and trust me they will be on the ground.
Don't take anything for granted there.
El Cuco
05-25-2008, 02:57 PM
Has Obama had an interview with PR press. I bet not! She is awesome!
lynfreedom
05-26-2008, 04:01 AM
Americans can expect to pay $5 a gallon for gasoline in 2008."
True
988/71%
False
398/29%
Votes: 1386
philmwri
05-29-2008, 01:42 PM
Hillary will do well.Lations like her.
desmagee88
05-29-2008, 03:41 PM
It looks like 1mill people will turn out in PR with Hillary winning 57-43. That would give her a pop vote plus of 140,000.
justme819
05-29-2008, 07:59 PM
the most recent poll results for PR are here,
http://www.pollster.com/blogs/poll_vocerounivision_puerto_ri.php
she`s winning 51-38...and 59-40 when likely voters were polled!...
i don`t like the comments underneath...turn-out`s looking extremely important here...and most likely will determine who wins the overall pop. vote!
so call, blog, contribute!...we must get as large a turn-out for Hillary as possible!!!
Hillarysmygirl08
05-30-2008, 12:07 AM
We need all the votes we can get. I was calling North Dakota today. I wish I can go to PR too
CriticalOne
05-30-2008, 12:26 AM
I really hope you weren't calling North Dakota, today. lol
desmagee88
05-30-2008, 01:09 PM
The democratic presidential precandidate Hillary Clinton will return Friday to Puerto Rico to get worse her campaign facing the primary ones of Sunday. Thus its committee informed Wednesday into campaign in an official notice in which it announced that Hillary will realise an event of campaign to the 6:00 of afternoon of Friday in Old San Juan. The committee also informed that ex- president Bill Clinton will participate Wednesday in several activities in San Juan and Bayamón to promote the candidacy of his wife. Between the events, it appears a long walk by Old San Juan. The announcement of the return of Hillary to the Island arises at moments at which a survey reveals that the precandidate will gain primary boricua in front of her contender, Barack Obama, surpasses that it in the number of delegates necessary to agenciar the nomination. According to the survey of the newspaper Spokesman and Univisión, the senator by New York would obtain an advantage of 13% in front of the senator by Illinois in the primary Puerto Rican. In the consultation, realised between the 8 and the 20 of May, Hillary obtained a 51% and Obama a 38%. A survey realised by the weekly magazine the Expresso in its page of Internet www.elexpresso.com, in the period of the 21 until the 27 of this month throws an advantage for Hillary of 8%, that is to say, 54% against 46% of Obama senator.
Ok, so I don't translate Spanish well! ..but you get the gist.
http://www.elexpresso.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=625&Itemid=38
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