Let's talk about protest votes, okay?

[SoCal4Hillary]

I keep finding myself writing the same thing over and over again, not just here but [previously] on HC and also in my own blog (http://smartassproducts.blogspot.com). And each time I do I wish there were a central place to discuss the pros and cons of casting protest votes in November...so I thought maybe this could be it. :)

Just FYI, when I say "protest vote" I'm referring to any of the following:

. voting for Ralph Nader, or another minor candidate who has no realistic shot at winning
. writing in Hillary's name--and I believe she also wouldn't have a realistic shot at winning if done this way
. not voting at all

As I see it, preventing O-blah-blah-blah-ma (http://www.cafepress.com/saproducts/5017064) from winning the general election is THE MOST important thing. After all, he's NOT QUALIFIED or ready to, or capable of running this country. And nothing's going to change between now and November to make him qualified. So if we recognize that as fact, then why on earth would we want to protest vote and, in doing so, hand him the election?

Imagine this scenario: Hillary loses the nomination, and we're all unhappy and pissed off. You vow to show the DNC and Obama that you will not support him just because he's a Democrat. So you go to the polls on election day and you check the box next to Nader's name. Or you write in Clinton. As you do so, you're thinking, HA! That'll show 'em! And you leave feeling gratified that you've expressed your disgust. Great! Except for one thing...

You're home now, and you're watching the election returns. It's close...really close. Some states are going to McCain and others to Obama. Perhaps you're swearing at the TV every time they show another state predicted to go to Obama. Not feeling quite so smug now, eh?

When it's all said and done, the popular vote was oh-so-close, but Obama is declared the winner. :eek: Bottom line? If those people who threw their votes away had voted for McCain--however distasteful it may be to vote for an anti-choice Republican--Obama wouldn't have won. Plain and simple.

So what do you think? Is it REALLY worth a few moments' satisfaction to end up handing the election to Obama? Does it REALLY make a statement when a few people throw their votes away and cause Obama to get elected as a result?

Those of you who insist that you're going to vote for Nader, or write in Clinton, or not vote at all, don't you see what you're really going to do? Doesn't that bother you?

No matter how many people say they're going to write in Hillary's name, the simple truth of the matter is that not enough people will do it to actually make her the winner. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise. And no matter how much YOU might think you're making a statement by voting for Nader, or not voting at all, it's RESULTS that count, and the result of your actions will be Obama becoming president. Is this what you want? Are you going to be okay with this for the next four years? Will you end up kicking yourself and wishing you could go back and re-cast your vote?

I'd really like to get a dialogue going on this and, hopefully, change some people's minds.

[CGP]

Hillary will be the nominee so we won't have to worry about people doing "protest votes" against Obama. :)

[SoCal4Hillary]

You're ever the optimist, dear! And while I certainly HOPE that you're right, I really think we need to get people to see what will [likely] happen if they do cast protest votes.

[Patsy]

I agree, Hillary WILL be the Nominee, but SoCal is right that we should be prepared for the unthinkable.

The saying is "hope for the best, but prepare for the worse."

I am in agreement with SoCal that a VERY strong message must be sent that Obama CAN NOT be the next President.

So, in essence, crossing Party Lines to vote for McCain IS A PROTEST VOTE.

It seems unpalatable to me to pull the lever for a Republican, but I will do it.

That will send the loudest signal and be the clearest of ALL protest votes.

A vote for Nader, a write-in or staying home will, in fact, be voting against your own interests. Neither Nader nor HRC will win by those votes and staying home shows apathy.

So, if you are going to vote against your own interests (the abovementioned) then it would serve us all better to TRULY vote against our own interests and make a resounding noise in doing so.

Thus, McCain is the LOUDEST protest vote we can make.

[wefwef]

While we are considering the unthinkable - what if Hillary loses the nomination to Obama and then endorses him as the democratic candidate for president? I think it is fairly customary for the unsuccessful nominees to lend their endorsement to the winner. (Dean and Clark got behind Kerry in 04, Romney and Giuliani have already endorsed McCain). I wouldn't be surprised if Hillary lost, she would endorse Obama for the sake of party unity and to get a democrat in the White House. She doesn't seem to me to be a person who would throw the Democrats under the bus because she didn't win the nomination.

So, if Hillary lost the nomination and endorsed Barack, would you still put in a protest vote?

[CGP]

The speculation isn't very constructive...

All will become revealed with time...

[RAFREE]

While we are considering the unthinkable - what if Hillary loses the nomination to Obama and then endorses him as the democratic candidate for president? I think it is fairly customary for the unsuccessful nominees to lend their endorsement to the winner. (Dean and Clark got behind Kerry in 04, Romney and Giuliani have already endorsed McCain). I wouldn't be surprised if Hillary lost, she would endorse Obama for the sake of party unity and to get a democrat in the White House. She doesn't seem to me to be a person who would throw the Democrats under the bus because she didn't win the nomination.

So, if Hillary lost the nomination and endorsed Barack, would you still put in a protest vote?

Yes, I will still cast a protest vote. I love Hillary Clinton as our best choice for president but, I know she has to do what her party would ask of her. And being just that loyal she will do it. It WON'T come to that but, that's what she would do. However, I cannot, will not at all, under ANY circumstances vote for Obama. Ever.

We just need to keep working hard all the way to the end of this and SHE WILL be the nominee!!! Nose to the grindstone Hillary supporters! She won't give up! We won't either!

[emmyCA]

My first choice: Hillary, second choice: McCain...that is only way Obama won't be a President!

[Patsy]

While we are considering the unthinkable - what if Hillary loses the nomination to Obama and then endorses him as the democratic candidate for president? I think it is fairly customary for the unsuccessful nominees to lend their endorsement to the winner. (Dean and Clark got behind Kerry in 04, Romney and Giuliani have already endorsed McCain). I wouldn't be surprised if Hillary lost, she would endorse Obama for the sake of party unity and to get a democrat in the White House. She doesn't seem to me to be a person who would throw the Democrats under the bus because she didn't win the nomination.

So, if Hillary lost the nomination and endorsed Barack, would you still put in a protest vote?

Neither of those races were as close as this and if those individuals wanted a prominent role in the Party, they rallied behind. Dean is now the worst DNC Chair in modern history and Clark was so opposed to what was happening in Iraq he had to support Kerry.

You don't see Kerry doing anything to unite the Party do you?

Romney has position himself as the Conservative Candidate of the Republican Party and Guiliani needs the money and the connections. McCain was too far ahead to be caught.

Never lose faith. Hillary Will win and we will make sure of it.

[G4Hillary]

Hillary will get the nomination but if we face the hellish scenario of picking between McCain and Obama we should all vote for McCain to destroy Obama. Slim Shady Obama is the one of the dirtiest politicians I have ever seen. A dirty Chicago political hack that has run a con on everyone including the disgraceful media. So if we all vote for McCain and demolish Obama, it will be Hillary in four years. Either way, the first Democrat to win will be Hillary.

So let's get Hillary in this year rather than wait. It's her time. I want to hear Madame President!

[EH]

My vote, in the worst-case scenario, goes for McCain. Better someone who took a bullet for his country than someone who won't recite the Pledge of Allegiance!

[SoCal4Hillary]

I'm aware that Clinton will likely endorse Obama and ask her supporters to vote for him (IF she loses the nomination, of course), but I don't care. *I* will not support Obama no matter what. I don't care if he walks on water...it will never change my mind. So I'll listen as Hillary graciously asks us all to throw our support behind Obama so we can get a Democrat back into the White House, and I'll feel a huge twinge of regret that she will not be our president [this time around], and then I'll head to the polling place and cast my vote for McCain. I know that Hillary basically HAS to accept the unpleasant duty of throwing her support behind Oblahma, but *I* don't. I'm not in the public eye. I'm not going to run for office again in 4 years. SHE has to do it, but we--the voters--do not.

[debbrad]

There are 2 post on here about this and I am with you all, I posted on the other post and ask.......Has anyone started a Democrats for McCain site/blog yet.....I think it is a bit early to do so but if things go obama's way I will be starting one my self.....


HILLARY or McCAIN '08

[Percy]

While we are considering the unthinkable - what if Hillary loses the nomination to Obama and then endorses him as the democratic candidate for president? I think it is fairly customary for the unsuccessful nominees to lend their endorsement to the winner. (Dean and Clark got behind Kerry in 04, Romney and Giuliani have already endorsed McCain). I wouldn't be surprised if Hillary lost, she would endorse Obama for the sake of party unity and to get a democrat in the White House. She doesn't seem to me to be a person who would throw the Democrats under the bus because she didn't win the nomination.

So, if Hillary lost the nomination and endorsed Barack, would you still put in a protest vote?


Yes. I would vote for McCain. I do not want Obama near the White House, and while I am a Hillary supporter, I make up my own mind about Obama on Obama's merits and lack of them. I do not trust Obama, period. No Repsect ...and his wife is a true racist. I don't like everything McCain stands for, yet I would even work on his campaign to beat Obama.

If Hillary has Obama on her ticket... I vote McCain. VP is one heart beat away from the White House. ...I do not want him in the White House and i do not trust his supportes.

[Peppermint Patty]

I have said all along what I would do and remain steadfast on this subject. I, and everyone I know here in L.A., who supports Hillary will NOT vote for Obama. These are all life long Democrats. But after all is said and done, the Democratic party cannot shove a candidate down our throats that we don't believe in. And that's the bottom line. I don't believe in this man. I think he's a paper tiger, an "emperor with no clothes." I am tired of the Democratic party always blowing it.

The only logical choice would be to vote for McCain if Hillary is not the nominee and you want to protest. :eek:

That said, I remain optimistic that Hillary will be the nominee, in SPITE of the obvious male hierarchy bias against her in the Democratic party. :D

[smharley for Hillary]

I am sorry folks, but I can not vote McCain as a 'protest" vote...and I certainly will not vote for (you know who). As I have said in previous blogs, my wife and I wrote Hillary's name in for the 2004 election (sorry, Kerry didn't do it for me), and I will do the same thing again. I my humble opinion, if Hillary (God forbid) doesn't get the nominnation, but gets 10% - 15% of the vote in the gen. THAT IS A PROTEST VOTE. I have also said before, I don't agree that voting for Hillary or Nadar in the gen will take votes for McCain. The Repubs will rally around McCain because they don't want a Dem in office. McCain will do well with Independs. and history has shown us that voting for Nada or someone else takes votes from the Dem Candidate not hte Repub (florida 2000). I am steadfast in believing Hillary will be the nominee, but if not this great lady will still get my vote in Nov. that is how much I respect her and believe in her.

[Peppermint Patty]

I am not thrilled with the idea of him as VP either. A heartbeat away from the Presidency and what if some looney out there decides to do the unthinkable in order to "promote" him to the Presidency??? Horrid thought. :eek:

I actually think a better ticket would be Clinton/Edwards. But I don't see that happening. I think if push comes to shove, and I imagine they are going to get down and dirty at convention time, Hillary will have to accept him as her VP in order to secure the nomination. :mad:

Now, whether Obama's pride will prevent him from accepting the 2nd part of the ticket is quite an unknown factor. It would be better all around if he declined -- then there would be more unity overall. :)

It will be interesting, won't it? :confused:

[smharley for Hillary]

Sorry, guess I need to preview bolg before posting)-:

[skc1976]

I remember reading this somewhere and this could be something interesting for the election. I read that New Jersey and Maryland Electoral College votes will go to the winner of the popular vote, not their state vote. So, when thinking about your vote, especially out in California where Dems rack up numbers on GOP, the popular vote could swing New Jersey and Maryland to Obama. Just a point to discuss.

[Peppermint Patty]

That is good to know! So a vote for McCain out here in CA could make a difference! Food for thought.

[Florida Dawn]

With all due respect to my fellow (for now) passionate Democratic Hillay supporter/friends out there my answer is NO. No Surrender. No. No. No.

It's Hillary or McCain. Or Present. Or Hillary as a write-in.

I am an Invisible Woman. Ever hear of us? We are the women over 50 who suffered through 8 years of Ray-gun (while many of our fellow Dems--mostly men and yuppies--deserted us to vote for Ray-gun because he would be "good for their bank accounts" and "good for the country", along with all those Log-Cabin Republicans who used to get the cr*p kicked out of them on a Saturday night at the clubs and couldn't openly be with a lpartner, but still believed Ray-gun was better for their bank accounts and therefore voted against their best interests as human beings. All the while the Invisible Women did the pink collar sh*t work, raised the kids, waited on tables, propped up their men and this country on their backs. Then we suffered through four years of Bush because "he's just as good as Ray-gun for the economy and business", and we still carried 1/2 the world on our backs for less then equal pay or equal say.

Now, I am supposed to believe that this young man, who appears out of nowhere is supposed to be the best candidate all for the "good of the party." Remember 2000? Where was my party then? Rolling over and playing dead.

My party can't support a woman. Sexism is the last racism. Never forget that.

And all this talk about involving the young? Haven't we forgotten the Invisible Women? We are still out there, babysitting the babies of the Obama supporters and in some cases, the Obama supporters themselves. We now raise the grandkids and take care of the old men. And we still do it without equal pay or equal say. And you're asking me to kiss some more AS* for another man? I'm just supposed to "make way for tomorrow"?

No BLOODY WAY. If every invisible woman in this country stopped working/babysitting the grandkids/let the service jobs in this country fend for themselves, this country would grind to a halt.

Hillary FOREVER. It's Hillary. Never Surrender.

[joeysky18]

aye! with all due respect. don't waste your time arguing over a hypothetical depressing scenario now. that question can wait after the nomination process is over.

right now. the most important thing is to call Mississippi. Have you done your part for today?

[Florida Dawn]

aye! with all due respect. don't waste your time arguing over a hypothetical depressing scenario now. that question can wait after the nomination process is over.

right now. the most important thing is to call Mississippi. Have you done your part for today?

You're a sweetie. Thanks. I hope you are calling! Be nice to all those Invisible Women out there...you are talking to somebody's mama, somebody's grammie.

[smharley for Hillary]

Florida Dawn...you tell it like it is. NO SURRENDER, keep fighting for what you stand for.

God Bless You.

sm

[LetsHelpAmerica]

I keep finding myself writing the same thing over and over again, not just here but [previously] on HC and also in my own blog (http://smartassproducts.blogspot.com). And each time I do I wish there were a central place to discuss the pros and cons of casting protest votes in November...so I thought maybe this could be it. :)

Just FYI, when I say "protest vote" I'm referring to any of the following:

. voting for Ralph Nader, or another minor candidate who has no realistic shot at winning
. writing in Hillary's name--and I believe she also wouldn't have a realistic shot at winning if done this way
. not voting at all

As I see it, preventing O-blah-blah-blah-ma (http://www.cafepress.com/saproducts/5017064) from winning the general election is THE MOST important thing. After all, he's NOT QUALIFIED or ready to, or capable of running this country. And nothing's going to change between now and November to make him qualified. So if we recognize that as fact, then why on earth would we want to protest vote and, in doing so, hand him the election?

Imagine this scenario: Hillary loses the nomination, and we're all unhappy and pissed off. You vow to show the DNC and Obama that you will not support him just because he's a Democrat. So you go to the polls on election day and you check the box next to Nader's name. Or you write in Clinton. As you do so, you're thinking, HA! That'll show 'em! And you leave feeling gratified that you've expressed your disgust. Great! Except for one thing...

You're home now, and you're watching the election returns. It's close...really close. Some states are going to McCain and others to Obama. Perhaps you're swearing at the TV every time they show another state predicted to go to Obama. Not feeling quite so smug now, eh?

When it's all said and done, the popular vote was oh-so-close, but Obama is declared the winner. :eek: Bottom line? If those people who threw their votes away had voted for McCain--however distasteful it may be to vote for an anti-choice Republican--Obama wouldn't have won. Plain and simple.

So what do you think? Is it REALLY worth a few moments' satisfaction to end up handing the election to Obama? Does it REALLY make a statement when a few people throw their votes away and cause Obama to get elected as a result?

Those of you who insist that you're going to vote for Nader, or write in Clinton, or not vote at all, don't you see what you're really going to do? Doesn't that bother you?

No matter how many people say they're going to write in Hillary's name, the simple truth of the matter is that not enough people will do it to actually make her the winner. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise. And no matter how much YOU might think you're making a statement by voting for Nader, or not voting at all, it's RESULTS that count, and the result of your actions will be Obama becoming president. Is this what you want? Are you going to be okay with this for the next four years? Will you end up kicking yourself and wishing you could go back and re-cast your vote?

I'd really like to get a dialogue going on this and, hopefully, change some people's minds.


First off, I do intend for Hillary to win!! I am putting all my focus on calling, donating, raising money for the campaign and gearing up for
all sorts of things here in Oregon. I want to put all my energy into a positive mode of mind.
HOWEVER, I have, of course, thought much about what you are saying and I will NOT be voting Obama should he win the nomination.
I do not want to put much energy into this right now but to put it in a general way, should Obama get the nomination ( which we are going to prevent by working extra hard for Hillary ) there are ( 2 ) things that I think should be done:
(1) ALL DEMOCRATS that are casting protest votes need to change party affiliation to INDEPENDENTS ( you can always switch back after the general election ) (2) vote for McCain. Reasoning is that by switching party affiliation you make a REAL BIG statement about being unhappy with the party for this election and by voting McCain you are actually taking a vote away from Obama.
This way McCain can be bumped after 4 years and Hillary can run again.

[SD]

I am in agreement with SoCal that a VERY strong message must be sent that Obama CAN NOT be the next President.

So, in essence, crossing Party Lines to vote for McCain IS A PROTEST VOTE.

i agree. if obama does manage to win the nomination, of course hillary will be gracious and ask everyone to support him. she is a gracious lady as well as a great senator. but i will never vote for him. it is hillary, or mccain.

florida dawn, i am right there beside you!

[LetsHelpAmerica]

I must say, reading this thread through makes me angry.

You are voting based on pure emotional knee-jerk reaction. McCain stands for the same as Bush - do you think you or the world wants another 4 years of this disastrous leadership? This idiot president has created a major recession (oh just wait until the trillions of dollars of debt really hits the country) and a deadly war (thousands of dead Americans, hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis) that has so far cost so much money (http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2008/03/10/tomo/) that any normal person would be reduced to tears thinking about it (as if the death toll wasn't enough).

So, you'd vote for this horrific lack of sense to run the country instead of Obama who is far more liberal than McCain is... idiocy. IDIOCY. You may disagree with many things but he was right about Iraq and he's much closer to Hillary than McCain is in terms of political position and policies.

You know, I honestly believe voting forms should have a multiple choice test on the current political issues so ignorant votes, like yours, would NOT count and I'd feel a damn sight safer.

If that seems harsh, please try to imagine what it feels like reading completely irrational comments like yours in a climate as dangerous as Bush has created, using a tragedy like 9/11 as a political tool to pursue goals related only to the bank balances of wealthy Americans and Saudis - the real nation behind 9/11 (if you do any research).

I totally respect your opinion and I actually understand to a large extent, why you feel as you do. However, one major reason I am for Hillary is because I trust her to handle all the terrible problems the Bush administration has caused. I DO NOT trust that Senator Obama has that experience yet. I actually trust McCain more than Obama.

[RayinAR]

No. A protest vote would be as many as we can get voting for Mccain IF Obama is the nominee. I still have a lot of faith that smart Democrats will not let this happen and Hillary will be the nominee.

[RayinAR]

Yes. I will not vote for Obama no matter what. I will do anything I can personally to make sure he doesn't get the presidency.

[RayinAR]

Hopefully in a worse case scenario Murray turns this one into one.

[Hillary-in-the-Box]

We have republicans pledging to vote for Hillary instead of McCain, and Dems pledging to vote for McCain, if Obama gets the nom.

This is quite the time in our history, that's for sure.

I am totally confident that Hillary will get the nomination. I don't have a Plan B yet. All my eggs are in Hillary's basket! :D

[RayinAR]

Donna, would'nt staying a registered Democrat be more in your face when casting the vote though. I do agree we should concentrate more on not letting this happen to begin with. But being a registered Dem voting for Republican sounds like a vote against Obama.

[RayinAR]

My neighbors are republican. They told me the only way they will vote for Mccain is if Obama is the Nominee. They are planning right now to cross party lines and vote for Hillary if she is the Nominee.

[SD]

i wonder, as those of us who are declaring we will vote mccain against obama, are the obama people saying the same thing if hillary wins?

the republicans seem to have the lock, no matter who wins the democratic nomination.

i have no idea how the obama people are thinking on this because their nastiness puts me off too much to try to read their blogs. but if the party remains divided, mccain wins. and even knowing this, i still prefer mccain over obama. mccain at least has experience.

eta - who is charlieg? is that person, gone? i hope,,,,

[LetsHelpAmerica]

Donna, would'nt staying a registered Democrat be more in your face when casting the vote though. I do agree we should concentrate more on not letting this happen to begin with. But being a registered Dem voting for Republican sounds like a vote against Obama.


Yes, that's a good point. I was thinking that it would make a point changing party affiliation for the general election to show the DNC that we were protesting the whole process but, I think you make , perhaps, a better suggestion.

[LetsHelpAmerica]

i wonder, as those of us who are declaring we will vote mccain against obama, are the obama people saying the same thing if hillary wins?

the republicans seem to have the lock, no matter who wins the democratic nomination.

i have no idea how the obama people are thinking on this because their nastiness puts me off too much to try to read their blogs. but if the party remains divided, mccain wins. and even knowing this, i still prefer mccain over obama. mccain at least has experience.

eta - who is charlieg? is that person, gone? i hope,,,,


That's an excellent comment regarding just how the Obama folks feel. I actually read somewhere ( and got side tracked before taking note of the source ) that according to a poll, it was close but Hillary supporters were more dedicated to Hillary.

[Lodi]

While we are considering the unthinkable - what if Hillary loses the nomination to Obama and then endorses him as the democratic candidate for president? I think it is fairly customary for the unsuccessful nominees to lend their endorsement to the winner. (Dean and Clark got behind Kerry in 04, Romney and Giuliani have already endorsed McCain). I wouldn't be surprised if Hillary lost, she would endorse Obama for the sake of party unity and to get a democrat in the White House. She doesn't seem to me to be a person who would throw the Democrats under the bus because she didn't win the nomination.

So, if Hillary lost the nomination and endorsed Barack, would you still put in a protest vote?

Considering how loyalty is important to Hill, I agree that she'd endorse BO. Nevertheless, I would still cast a protest vote (write in Hillary's name). I respect Hillary, but I believe--should that whole scenario come to pass, God forbid--that we have to protest in this way if we're to take back the party and the DNC. They have lorded it over us for too long (I'm 52), and this is the year that it has become absolutely intolerable to me. NO more. Let the party self-destruct and have it rebuilt by the membership--not autocrats like Howard "Napoleon" Dean and his Gang of Losers.

Does anyone else feel outraged by this?

[Lodi]

With all due respect to my fellow (for now) passionate Democratic Hillay supporter/friends out there my answer is NO. No Surrender. No. No. No.

It's Hillary or McCain. Or Present. Or Hillary as a write-in.

I am an Invisible Woman. Ever hear of us? We are the women over 50 who suffered through 8 years of Ray-gun (while many of our fellow Dems--mostly men and yuppies--deserted us to vote for Ray-gun because he would be "good for their bank accounts" and "good for the country", along with all those Log-Cabin Republicans who used to get the cr*p kicked out of them on a Saturday night at the clubs and couldn't openly be with a lpartner, but still believed Ray-gun was better for their bank accounts and therefore voted against their best interests as human beings. All the while the Invisible Women did the pink collar sh*t work, raised the kids, waited on tables, propped up their men and this country on their backs. Then we suffered through four years of Bush because "he's just as good as Ray-gun for the economy and business", and we still carried 1/2 the world on our backs for less then equal pay or equal say.

Now, I am supposed to believe that this young man, who appears out of nowhere is supposed to be the best candidate all for the "good of the party." Remember 2000? Where was my party then? Rolling over and playing dead.

My party can't support a woman. Sexism is the last racism. Never forget that.

And all this talk about involving the young? Haven't we forgotten the Invisible Women? We are still out there, babysitting the babies of the Obama supporters and in some cases, the Obama supporters themselves. We now raise the grandkids and take care of the old men. And we still do it without equal pay or equal say. And you're asking me to kiss some more AS* for another man? I'm just supposed to "make way for tomorrow"?

No BLOODY WAY. If every invisible woman in this country stopped working/babysitting the grandkids/let the service jobs in this country fend for themselves, this country would grind to a halt.

Hillary FOREVER. It's Hillary. Never Surrender.

I'm 52 and am sooooo there with you! That's what I'm saing: NO MORE!

[SoCal4Hillary]

Originally Posted by charlieg
You know, I honestly believe voting forms should have a multiple choice test on the current political issues so ignorant votes, like yours, would NOT count and I'd feel a damn sight safer.I get called A LOT of things online, but being called ignorant is a real treat! Thanks troll...and don't let the door hit you on your way back to the O-blah-blah-blah-ma boards...

[Optixmom]

My neighbors are republican. They told me the only way they will vote for Mccain is if Obama is the Nominee. They are planning right now to cross party lines and vote for Hillary if she is the Nominee.

I know at least a dozen Republican women here in NY who are going to vote for Hillary and will only vote McCain if Obama wins. I wish I had a link to the poll where it showed more Obama supporters would vote for Hillary than Hillary supporters would vote for Obama. I think there was like 80% of Obama supporters would vote for Hillary, but only like 60% of Hillary supporters would vote for Obama. I might have the numbers wrong, but there was a huge difference...I believe it is the female over 40 vote.

[jerseygirl7]

My vote, in the worst-case scenario, goes for McCain. Better someone who took a bullet for his country than someone who won't recite the Pledge of Allegiance!

Under no circumstances would I pull the lever for Obama! Voting for Nader or attempting to write in Hillary will only succeed in a win for Obama.

I console myself with the thought that McCain will be a one-term President, he is a liberal so is unlikely to appoint a conservative SC justice, he is reading Alan Greenspan's book on the economy (at least he is trying! LOL) and hopefully the environment can survive another four years of Repub mismanagement. BO said he would not run again is he is defeated, so that is the biggest incentive to be sure he loses!!!!

But....I will remain HOPEFUL that all this worry is for naught!!!

[SoCal4Hillary]

BO said he would not run again is he is defeated, so that is the biggest incentive to be sure he loses!!!!Are you serious? He really said that? I don't know how, but I somehow managed to miss that! Wow...just think, defeat him this time and not have to worry about his arrogant ass again next time...now THAT's a nice thought. :D

[jerseygirl7]

I remember reading this somewhere and this could be something interesting for the election. I read that New Jersey and Maryland Electoral College votes will go to the winner of the popular vote, not their state vote. So, when thinking about your vote, especially out in California where Dems rack up numbers on GOP, the popular vote could swing New Jersey and Maryland to Obama. Just a point to discuss.

OMG! If New Jersey went to BO, I would have to move!

Jerseygirl7

[Optixmom]

Are you serious? He really said that? I don't know how, but I somehow managed to miss that! Wow...just think, defeat him this time and not have to worry about his arrogant ass again next time...now THAT's a nice thought. :D

Michele Obama stated that implicitly on a CBS interview I heard back in February. If daddy cannot be the big kahuna, they don't want any part of moving from Chicago.

[jerseygirl7]

Are you serious? He really said that? I don't know how, but I somehow managed to miss that! Wow...just think, defeat him this time and not have to worry about his arrogant ass again next time...now THAT's a nice thought. :D

That is the biggest to reason to vote him and MO out! Won't have to worry about him surfacing again!!! Heheeeeeeeeeeeee......

[SoCal4Hillary]

You know what, though? What if he "changes his mind" 4 years from now (or whenever)? He IS a politician, after all. :rolleyes:

[jerseygirl7]

You know what, though? What if he "changes his mind" 4 years from now (or whenever)? He IS a politician, after all. :rolleyes:

Well, anything is possible when it comes to politics! However, I think that if he gets the Dem nomination and loses to McCain, which he will, the Dem party would never support him in another run! Unless, of course, he gets another endorsement from Teddy! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When does Teddy come up for re-election??? IF NJ goes to Obama, we can move to MA just so I can vote against Teddy! It must be late, I am getting more negative than usual.

[kari in nebraska]

I am soon to be 50 and could not agree more. The Invisible women will get Hillary elected. If the unthinkable happens, my vote will be for McCain or write in for Hillary.
There has been so much sexism displayed in this primary season its nauseating. If someone held up a sign that was racially derogatory, he would have been arrested, but its OK for some guy to yell "Iron my shirts" or have sexist signs at rallys. Nothing will change until we get a woman in the house!!! There is no way Obama will get my vote.

[debbrad]

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