LISTEN UP: Superdelegates VOTE in August - UNTIL THEN THERE IS NO OFFICIAL NOMINEE!

[CGP]

DON'T FALL FOR THE SHAM!

Superdelegates cannot vote until August at the convention. Until then, their "support" for any candidate is meaningless. What counts is their VOTE in August at the convention.

On May 31 there will be a DNC meeting to decide what should happen with the FL & MI fiasco! Hillary won both states. The true number of delegates (both pledged & super) that a candidate requires to "win" is 2209. This cannot be finalized until all SD vote at the August convention.

DON'T BELIEVE LIES.

[joeysky18]

Never doubt Hillary chance to win. She said it's on to the convention. So it will be to the convention.

Our job is to deliver her the maximum popular vote by the end of the last primary. After that it's Hillary's job to argue her case to the delegates.

[Dendy]

Thanks for reminding us Murray,
It’s easy to forget with all this “declaring victory” talk.

[carmaken]

So, the SD,s can switch their support back if they want?

I have voted since the Reagan yrs. and don't remember these SD's being made such a deal of. But it has been a crazy year.

[Obamanation<Hillary]

So, the SD,s can switch their support back if they want?

I have voted since the Reagan yrs. and don't remember these SD's being made such a deal of. But it has been a crazy year.

Yes, they can switch anytime they want until they vote at the convention. :) That's when it really counts.

[CGP]

So, the SD,s can switch their support back if they want?

I have voted since the Reagan yrs. and don't remember these SD's being made such a deal of. But it has been a crazy year.

They can do what they like. They are not obliged to "hold" their support though most probably would. But theoretically they can VOTE for whomever at the convention - as that is their role - to have independence - they are not aligned with candidates per se.

[candyrose9460]

I seen a email on this from somewhere. first responer i think... hillary said don't belive what you hear... so lets not listen to bo the lair.. hillary will tell us, if and when it is over.. till then its just words..........

[Suzan]

Obama may declare it over. The media may declare it over--and pretty much already has.

But as Murray said it isn't over until the convention. That's roughly three months away and believe me, anything can happen between now and then. And will, I'm sure.

[CGP]

Obama may declare it over. The media may declare it over--and pretty much already has.

But as Murray said it isn't over until the convention. That's roughly three months away and believe me, anything can happen between now and then. And will, I'm sure.

Exactly. Heck, it's been "over" since Iowa! Nothing new really!

June to August - this is when the real movement will take place.

[winterlongone]

Murray, PLEASE keep this pinned to the top of the posts.

everyone needs to be reminded that the SDs can say whatever they want now...but it's the vote at the convention that counts.

This is absolutely critical.

[carmaken]

I suppose SD's wouldn't want to be seen as flip flopping back and forth, but supposing it was some earth shaking news against BO--something so big they would be forced to withdraw support. This is what I'm hoping for, and we have seen enough proof linking him to really bad stuff.

Didn't Hillary tell her supporters recently to "Just wait, watch, and listen", something to that effect?

I totally agree she should take this to the convention. But he is playing a psych game with her lately, trying again to force her out.

[CGP]

But he is playing a psych game with her lately, trying again to force her out.

And who do you think is going to win that game? BO? Hell no. She's got his number, big time!

[Gerry2008]

Never doubt Hillary chance to win. She said it's on to the convention. So it will be to the convention.

Our job is to deliver her the maximum popular vote by the end of the last primary. After that it's Hillary's job to argue her case to the delegates.

I agree.

I propose that we add to our job convincing the DNC that large numbers of previously loyal Democrats are unequivocally ready to vote for McCain. They must lose their mindset that with time, as in the past, we'll circle the wagons, sing around the campfire, and unify around Obama.

Listen to us DNC - It's not gonna happen this time.

[Dendy]

Does anybody know if Jim Webb is committed to any of the candidates?
Just wondering.

[eyedoc333]

Remember that a few SuperD's switched away from Clinton to Obama. In the same manner, they or others can make a switch in the other direction! They can vote as they please when the time comes.

Also, I find it very telling that so many SuperDs continue to wait to make any pronouncements. If it really were a done deal, they would all have announced their endorsments by now. Yet, there are hundreds of SuperDs still uncommitted. This, more than anything, tells me that it is far from over.

[carmaken]

And who do you think is going to win that game? BO? Hell no. She's got his number, big time!

She will win because she is smarter than he is, she can see what is going, she has proven that she can stand up to anything, so she is stronger.

[Annie]

Important to keep this up top.... Also I believe the delegates Obama has in his Delegate total include those super delegates - and they don't really count until the Convention.

[CGP]

She will win because she is smarter than he is, she can see what is going, she has proven that she can stand up to anything, so she is stronger.

Correct. She can outsmart a conman any day. Hence why he refused to debate her anymore - she was getting too close to exposing him as a complete fraud - which he is. First troubling debate and he ran for the hills to "claim victory" :eek:

[CGP]

Also, I find it very telling that so many SuperDs continue to wait to make any pronouncements. If it really were a done deal, they would all have announced their endorsments by now. Yet, there are hundreds of SuperDs still uncommitted. This, more than anything, tells me that it is far from over.

I read somewhere (?) that of those SD who have yet to endorse either candidate, many of them do not want to be seen as people who single-handedly help STOP the progress of either a woman or a black man. So many of them just want to sit back and wait until the convention rather than play a hand in prematurely ending the hopes/dreams of either candidate now.

[CGP]

Important to keep this up top.... Also I believe the delegates Obama has in his Delegate total include those super delegates - and they don't really count until the Convention.

I won't forget the truth anytime soon! ;)

[Mrs L]

I have had replies from 3 Superdelegates who tell me they are supporting Hillary.
You may read the comments on this Superdelegates webpage.
She supports Hillary.
http://www.fisherflores.com

[johnny51981]

This is a very good reminder, Murray. With that said, based on the current Pledged Delegates, he is about 160 ahead of her, with a handful of contests left. Hillary will have the population vote in spades (already has it with Michigan and Florida).

None of the Super Delegates count (on either side) until those votes are made at the Convention!!!!

[hobbitt]

Murray sez:

Superdelegates cannot vote until August at the convention. Until then, their "support" for any candidate is meaningless. What counts is their VOTE in August at the convention.


Grandma sez:

A cat may look at a king, but kittens in the oven ain't bread.


(don't ask me exactly what that means. I think it is a bad translation from some Czech proverb. But the gist that I understood from Grandma is: You are as good as anyone else and others can call themselves anything they want but that doesn't make it so.)

[Tom Terrific]

DON'T FALL FOR THE SHAM!

Superdelegates cannot vote until August at the convention. Until then, their "support" for any candidate is meaningless. What counts is their VOTE in August at the convention. ...

DON'T BELIEVE LIES.

I've been wondering how to say this succinctly. Thanks!

[hillary4change]

Murray, As I understand it the pleged Delegates can switch at the convention as well..Right. I am doubting myself but I am sure they can switch for the other side after the initial vote?

[CGP]

Murray, As I understand it the pleged Delegates can switch at the convention as well..Right. I am doubting myself but I am sure they can switch for the other side after the initial vote?

Yes, I believe (?), theoretically that applies to pledged delegates as well but highly unlikely as they have been selected on the basis of voting by the public.

It is the SD which are supposed to vote INDEPENDENTLY.

[CGP]

Ok, seems a few people need reminding.

[hillary4change]

Murray, This is my prediction, I think that Tx. pledged Delegates will switch to Hillary.

I think, because of how the state "voted" and the caucus scams, they are going to be up for re-election, and wanting to keep their jobs!!

You don't want to disenfranchise a large Hispanic voting bloc, that went for Hillary, and was stolen by crooked caucuses!!

We shall see, but I feel it in my bones. Let me know what you think.
But I am positive of this!

[Angelica91]

Actually I hope SD follow Nancy Peoli's words: "SD must support the candidate who win their state". Hillary would win!

[winterlongone]

i'm bumping this again...it cannot be said enough. there is no official nominee until SDs vote, and they do not vote until the convention!!!

[CGP]

i'm bumping this again...it cannot be said enough. there is no official nominee until SDs vote, and they do not vote until the convention!!!

Don't worry, I for one will not be forgetting this FACT! :cool:

And the more people discuss this FACT, the better!

[Artists4Hillary]

DON'T FALL FOR THE SHAM!

Superdelegates cannot vote until August at the convention. Until then, their "support" for any candidate is meaningless. What counts is their VOTE in August at the convention.

On May 31 there will be a DNC meeting to decide what should happen with the FL & MI fiasco! Hillary won both states. The true number of delegates (both pledged & super) that a candidate requires to "win" is 2209. This cannot be finalized until all SD vote at the August convention.

DON'T BELIEVE LIES.

That's right! Also, if the Dems are going to keep harping on rules are rules ( as far as FL and MI are concerned) then all the rules apply, and it goes to the convention and the SD's vote the way they want, vote on electibility. That is their job. No cherry-picking the rules, folks.

[MaryKay]

DON'T FALL FOR THE SHAM!

Superdelegates cannot vote until August at the convention. Until then, their "support" for any candidate is meaningless. What counts is their VOTE in August at the convention.

On May 31 there will be a DNC meeting to decide what should happen with the FL & MI fiasco! Hillary won both states. The true number of delegates (both pledged & super) that a candidate requires to "win" is 2209. This cannot be finalized until all SD vote at the August convention.

DON'T BELIEVE LIES.

Thank you, Murray! I think we should post this every day from now until the convention to keep reminding us of this point. Those "endorsements" mean NOTHING. Super D's can change their mind up to the time they vote at the convention.

[floorrunner]

Murray, As I understand it the pleged Delegates can switch at the convention as well..Right. I am doubting myself but I am sure they can switch for the other side after the initial vote?

They are only obligated to vote for who they are pledged to on the first ballot, then any ballot after the first one they can vote any way they please.

[SantaCruzen]

Obama may declare it over. The media may declare it over--and pretty much already has.

But as Murray said it isn't over until the convention. That's roughly three months away and believe me, anything can happen between now and then. And will, I'm sure.

If we let Obama think that it is over, he can take his marbles home to Chicago and we will go on our merry campaign.

[RE:]

I posted yesterday afternoon about the fact that WE can not ignore that 'pledged' delegates CAN change their minds between now and the convention!!! If SD's can do it...so can ALL the 'pledged' state del's....We need to reach them somehow..but, HOW??? Any ideas???;)

[Brooke]

Murray is exactly right. How can we believe all this talk that Hillary will "exit gracefully" in June when all the SDs can't vote until August? That's CRAP.

This is exactly why they've been emphasizing the importance of the last 5 campaigns. If Hillary sweeps or does extremely well going into the convention, the SDs and the party HAVE to look at that regardless of BO's threats and propaganda. I keep telling myself the party will get it, but they'll wait until the last minute to "get it"

And Obama can declare anything he wants, he can declare himself "King of the World" for all I care. It won't make him the nominee.

[RE:]

Bumpity-bump-bump:o

[hobbitt]

DON'T FALL FOR THE SHAM!

Superdelegates cannot vote until August at the convention. Until then, their "support" for any candidate is meaningless. What counts is their VOTE in August at the convention.

On May 31 there will be a DNC meeting to decide what should happen with the FL & MI fiasco! Hillary won both states. The true number of delegates (both pledged & super) that a candidate requires to "win" is 2209. This cannot be finalized until all SD vote at the August convention.

DON'T BELIEVE LIES.


We need to be emailing SDs to remind them of the facts.

Clinton is electable, the other one is not.

Clinton has secured the base. The other one has not.

Clinton has the momentum. The other one does not.

Clinton has the experience, the knowledge, the intelligence, the will to win. The other one is inexperienced, and has a knack for speechifying.

Howard Dean has destroyed the party. If superdelegates want to save it, they must support Clinton.

And, I hate to mention this lest the Obamanation pastes Racist signs all over my house, but the total black population in the US is less than 12 per cent.
That is not "12 per cent registered voters" not "12 per cent registered voters likely to vote" nor is it "12 per cent likely voters registered Democratic" that is the total AA population. Even at 90 per cent voting along racial lines, the resultant number is still not enough to elect anyone.

According to the just released exit polls, only 33 percent of Clinton backers said they would vote for Obama should he be the party’s nominee. That compares to 71 percent of Obama supporters who say they are willing to support Clinton if she wins the nomination.

In West Virginia one week ago, where 36 percent of Clinton voters said they would back Barack Obama in fall.


In Pennsylvania four weeks ago only 53 percent of Clinton supporters said they'd vote for Obama against McCain.


Notice the trend?


We must inform those superdelegates. NOW.

[nette60]

We need to be emailing SDs to remind them of the facts.

Clinton is electable, the other one is not.

Clinton has secured the base. The other one has not.

Clinton has the momentum. The other one does not.

Clinton has the experience, the knowledge, the intelligence, the will to win. The other one is inexperienced, and has a knack for speechifying.

Howard Dean has destroyed the party. If superdelegates want to save it, they must support Clinton.

And, I hate to mention this lest the Obamanation pastes Racist signs all over my house, but the total black population in the US is less than 12 per cent.
That is not "12 per cent registered voters" not "12 per cent registered voters likely to vote" nor is it "12 per cent likely voters registered Democratic" that is the total AA population. Even at 90 per cent voting along racial lines, the resultant number is still not enough to elect anyone.

According to the just released exit polls, only 33 percent of Clinton backers said they would vote for Obama should he be the party’s nominee. That compares to 71 percent of Obama supporters who say they are willing to support Clinton if she wins the nomination.

In West Virginia one week ago, where 36 percent of Clinton voters said they would back Barack Obama in fall.


In Pennsylvania four weeks ago only 53 percent of Clinton supporters said they'd vote for Obama against McCain.


Notice the trend?


We must inform those superdelegates. NOW.

Although Obama won Md...(More than half the Dems are AA) and Clintons didn't campaign here too much..I don't think he would take the state as a whole, too many Republicans and a lot of his baggage has come out so I think even the Whites that voted for him here would not do it again. As for Dc I don't think they can vote in the GE. And Virginia usually goes Red..

[CGP]

REMINDER! :cool:

[Cooney]

The voters and polls are speaking for us. They won't change any time soon, and may become even more concrete after Puerto Rico. They won't be able to ignore the voter narrative for much longer. The next poll to come out after all the elections are done will be, should Hillary continue to the convention, and I believe the overwhelming poll response will be
"yes". We must continue to keep the narrative now that SDs cannot choose a nominee until the convention. Three months will be a lifetime in the Obama campaign, he will be fighting two formidable foes, McCain and Clinton, and he is not strong enough to withstand it. He can pretend he is the nominee, but with his pretention comes cannonfire. If you ask me it's a bad strategy on the part of Obama.

[CGP]

The voters and polls are speaking for us. They won't change any time soon, and may become even more concrete after Puerto Rico. They won't be able to ignore the voter narrative for much longer. The next poll to come out after all the elections are done will be, should Hillary continue to the convention, and I believe the overwhelming poll response will be
"yes". We must continue to keep the narrative now that SDs cannot choose a nominee until the convention. Three months will be a lifetime in the Obama campaign, he will be fighting two formidable foes, McCain and Clinton, and he is not strong enough to withstand it. He can pretend he is the nominee, but with his pretention comes cannonfire. If you ask me it's a bad strategy on the part of Obama.

Yes, and as for his "I've won" rubbish - simply saying it doesn't make it so!

I agree - running with the "I've won" mantra is a bad move I think because it sets him for bigtime failure!

[CGP]

My daily reminder to everyone.

[samkm]

Yes, and she is going to the Convention.


ALL THE WAY!!!!

ALL THE WAT!!!!

ALL THE WAY!!!!


HILLARY 2008!!!! or McCain 2008.

[joeylee]

Here is a list of each and every super-delegate, this list has all, committed and uncommitted. I had posted it yesterday, but I believe it was moved, so, just to cover all, here's the link again:
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/retro-delegateList0802.html

JoeyLee*
P.S. give the page a few seconds to load...

[PhillyGuy1]

Another reporter got the effect of the preferences of the superdelegates wrong again. This time on Anderson Cooper 360 tonight. Again they said Obama only needs 40 or so more superdelegates to "clinch" the nomination.
Can't they get it through their thick block heads, that what the superdelegates say now won't matter. Their vote won't be counted until the actual convention in August. They can say they prefer Obama now and they can change their opinion to back Clinton or to no preference at any time between now and the convention.
That's really a simple concept. Why do they refuse to get it?


PhillyGuy1

[Alex01]

Exactly. Heck, it's been "over" since Iowa! Nothing new really!

June to August - this is when the real movement will take place.

Thanks, Murray. I came to HillaryClintonForum to get away from a lot of the negativity I was seeing at other "pro-Hillary" blogs. It seems counterproductive to start talking about anyone but Hillary getting the nomination when we are really in a limbo period. It is depressing, especially in a blog that has no trolls to speak of, and is exclusively pro-Hillary. Good reminder, at any rate.

The problem might be that a lot of people were hammered with the stupid assassination BS. I'm sorry anyone had to go through that - I had my own experience with getting bashed by my own family. Well, thank God they're gone back to Illinois, and Camp BO has once again shown what it's made of. We can go back to supporting our girl Hill with everything we've got!!:)

[mkreyns]

Another reporter got the effect of the preferences of the superdelegates wrong again. This time on Anderson Cooper 360 tonight. Again they said Obama only needs 40 or so more superdelegates to "clinch" the nomination.
Can't they get it through their thick block heads, that what the superdelegates say now won't matter. Their vote won't be counted until the actual convention in August. They can say they prefer Obama now and they can change their opinion to back Clinton or to no preference at any time between now and the convention.
That's really a simple concept. Why do they refuse to get it?


PhillyGuy1

I think things are about to change big time. For a boost I always try and find something positive. Hillary is staying strong and we have to do the same. A lot of vetting can go on very soon.

Yes, and as for his "I've won" rubbish - simply saying it doesn't make it so!

I agree - running with the "I've won" mantra is a bad move I think because it sets him for bigtime failure!

www.modernvedicastrology.com
www.jon-stevens.com

Interesting interpretations of what may transpire in the near future.

[hillary4change]

Yes, and as for his "I've won" rubbish - simply saying it doesn't make it so!



If saying it was true, I would be 3 inches taller and 30 pounds lighter!!:D:p:D

[BloodDAnna]

I think this should be permanently stuck to the top for everyone to be reminded of the fact that endorsements don't mean diddley squat, it's the convention in August that matters.

[CGP]

I think this should be permanently stuck to the top for everyone to be reminded of the fact that endorsements don't mean diddley squat, it's the convention in August that matters.

Thanks for reminding me. STUCK!!

Yes, no nominee until August 28.

[PhillyGuy1]

Here is a list of each and every super-delegate, this list has all, committed and uncommitted. I had posted it yesterday, but I believe it was moved, so, just to cover all, here's the link again:
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/retro-delegateList0802.html

JoeyLee*
P.S. give the page a few seconds to load...

Thanks for that list. It's very informative in that it gives whether the superdelegate is supporting the candidate who won their state, or when the superdelegate is a member of the US House of Representatives, whether they are supporting the candidate who won their congressional district.

When you include Florida and Michigan Hillary wins the popular vote. Consequently if we convince the superdelegates to follow the will of the people in their state or district, Hillary wil get the nomination.

The page also gives what the totals would be if all the superdelegates followed the will of the voters in their state, and what it would be if the House members followed their own district. As the table is written now Obama wins under these scenarios but that is because the table does not include the votes of MI and FL. Since Howard Dean admitted off the record that the popular votes in those states should count and the DNC rules committee is likely to restore at least half the delegates to MI and FL in the May 31st meeting, the reporters who produced this table should change it to include the popular votes from Florida and Michigan.

Anyone know the contact info for these reporters Randy Yeip and Matt Phillips with the Wall Street Journal?


PhillyGuy1

[Diamond Tiger]

Three months will be a lifetime in the Obama campaign, he will be fighting two formidable foes, McCain and Clinton, and he is not strong enough to withstand it. He can pretend he is the nominee, but with his pretention comes cannonfire. If you ask me it's a bad strategy on the part of Obama.



None of Obama's camp or the MSM (or even the Republicans, for that matter) expected HER to still be going strong and getting stronger right now. They figured if they bashed on her from all sides (Rush & Operation Chaos included) then she would do what most women end up doing (sorry ladies) which is to get tired of the fight and try to make peace, i.e. quitting and getting behind Obama. The problem is that she isn't slowing and quitting, she's picking up speed and getting stronger and they have no idea how to handle this -- just look at how guys from Huffpo and Keith Olbermann are giving themselves heart attacks yelling at the top of their lungs for her to quit.

Just keep going Senator Clinton and you will be the nominee!!!

One of the things I always thought when confronted with a sexist, political situation at work was "I'm going to outlive you" and it was always true.

[Uppity Woman]

Two whole months can be an eternity when someone has the shoulder to the door of the skeleton closet.

You are all so very right. A "committed" delegate is not a vote.

I also find it very amusing that the "presumptive nominee" continues to get his butt handed to him on a plate in primaries by the "presumptive loser".


http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com

[Mrs L]

Actually I hope SD follow Nancy Peoli's words: "SD must support the candidate who win their state". Hillary would win!

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Now that will be wonderful.

Imagine Kerry and Kennedy switching to vote for their states choice.

Hillary Clinton!

Yes.
Thank you for the information about August and the Superdelegates, someone needs to tell Obama, he is running around saying he is the nominee.

[PhillyGuy1]

Three months will be a lifetime in the Obama campaign, he will be fighting two formidable foes, McCain and Clinton, and he is not strong enough to withstand it. He can pretend he is the nominee, but with his pretention comes cannonfire. If you ask me it's a bad strategy on the part of Obama.

Good point. He is getting bashed by both Clinton and McCain now. Since the McCain campaign thinks Obama will be the nominee, they have been laying off Clinton.
Excuse me if I don't feel sorry for Obama.


PhillyGuy1

[hillarymyhero]

Murray
Thank you, than you, thank you.....Gosh, I was totally sad and disappointed and thought that these Super delegates are being bullied, pressurized and might be threatened to vote for Obamabot? and once they decide to announce for either Hillary or Obamabot, thats it and final.

And also, I was under the impression that total number of delegates to win are 2025? I think that number was without MI and FL?I just guess.

But, since you have educated me with all this math and all this SD tuff, I am glad that there is now more than strong chance for our Hillary to be President 08.

Thanks again.:)

[joeysky18]

Dean is probably kicking his own butt that he set the convention in August. If they can change it now, I bet they would want to have the convention in June or July so they can hand the nomination to BO in a platinum plate.

It's a long way from June till August for BO to keep his skeletons in the closet. This might be the only break HRC has from DNC during the nomination.

[B positive]

Yes- thanks for bumping this up... no official nominee until August 2008.

[SadStateOfAffairs]

Just got this from cnn:

""We're very close now," Axelrod said. "When the primaries end, I think, we'll be where we need to be. … We'll be at the number we need to claim the nomination."

According to CNN's latest estimate, Obama is now 52 delegates short of clinching the Democratic nomination while Clinton is 246 delegates short of the magic number. There are 86 pledged delegates up for grabs in the remaining three contests. Just over 200 superdelegates also have not publicly declared who they are supporting.

Obama is unlikely to clinch the nomination with pledged delegates alone, but his campaign has said it expects enough superdelegates will declare their support of the Illinois senator soon after the final two primaries."

Close isn't good enough when your running for POTUS!

[SBSJR13]

A super delegates job is to put forth the best candidate for November period!!!

Electoral Map Updated Today:

Clinton 327 McCain 194 Ties 17

Obama 266 McCain 248 Ties 24

Simple as that..

[Musicdude]

Regarding CNN's comment..

"Obama is unlikely to clinch the nomination with pledged delegates alone, but his campaign has said it expects enough superdelegates will declare their support of the Illinois senator soon after the final two primaries."


They forgot to add that Superdelegates can, have and will change their support one way or another, on an ongoing basis, right up to the convention. The word "clinched" doesn't logically apply until they actually vote in August

I am hoping that as soon as the MSM starts slinging the word "clinched" around, that Hillary comes out says - "Guess what. Nothing is clinched." :)

[suerw]

Dean is probably kicking his own butt that he set the convention in August. If they can change it now, I bet they would want to have the convention in June or July so they can hand the nomination to BO in a platinum plate.

It's a long way from June till August for BO to keep his skeletons in the closet. This might be the only break HRC has from DNC during the nomination.

Perhaps not skeletons coming out right now, but Obama's ineptness and dangerous lack of understanding of foreign policy certainly are coming to light. I refer to his remark that Iran is "a tiny country" and not a serious threat. When promptly challenged by McCain in no uncertain terms, someone in Obama's campaign obviously coached him to reverse course and he said that Iran is a serious threat. Even the Obama media couldn't quite ignore this.
Today Obama's fabrication about an uncle being with the troops who liberated the prisoners at Auschwitz was a lead story. Seems that (1) he doesn't have an uncle and (2) Auschwitz was liberated by Soviet Army troops. So, of course, once more Obama had to do a hurried about face and awkwardly try to cover his tracks saying it was a great uncle and a different prisoner camp. Seems that he not only lacks a grasp of world history, he's pretty weak on his own family history.

[Peppermint Patty]

A super delegate, a rather fickle one it appears, has switched from BO back to Hillary since yesterday! :D

[Hillarysmygirl08]

I also have no doubt that Senator Clinton will emerge the victor. I must continue to make calls and donate to her campaign. I am an poor woman but I am a very frequent donor to Hillary's campaign because I believe in her. LOL so I miss getting an new outfit or something else I don't need when what I am doing is important. I also feel its important that we NEVER GIVE UP HOPE. She has never let me down before and I won't ever let her down.

[Hillarysmygirl08]

Its because I do not believe anything he ever said about his life I think he invented his entire book. First I think he just made stuff up. I think he is to weak to have been from the ghetto or at least poor. I mean he complains about still paying off his student loan and I am thinking try dealing with losing your lights because the cost of energy is going up. It makes me question his judgement. I told this friend and who supports Obama that I think he stutters so much during the debates because he is lying. I am sorry but my life has tought me that people who stutters to much but in everyday life they speak fine that they are lying. I don't trust him at all. I believe with all my heart that Hillary will defeat him.

[joeysky18]

I also have no doubt that Senator Clinton will emerge the victor. I must continue to make calls and donate to her campaign. I am an poor woman but I am a very frequent donor to Hillary's campaign because I believe in her. LOL so I miss getting an new outfit or something else I don't need when what I am doing is important. I also feel its important that we NEVER GIVE UP HOPE. She has never let me down before and I won't ever let her down.

Thanks for your great support and good spirit. We here share your view.

[NotBamboozled]

Hil, do whatever you can to stop the Obama train wreck.

[Annie]

I think it's Axelrod that needs to be looked into. He was a reporter in Chicago at the Sun Times for 8 years - he knows how to play the media and has done it big time. I think there is a big bad wolf in that there bald head of Axelrod.

[PhillyGuy1]

...
The page also gives what the totals would be if all the superdelegates followed the will of the voters in their state, and what it would be if the House members followed their own district. As the table is written now Obama wins under these scenarios but that is because the table does not include the votes of MI and FL. Since Howard Dean admitted off the record that the popular votes in those states should count and the DNC rules committee is likely to restore at least half the delegates to MI and FL in the May 31st meeting, the reporters who produced this table should change it to include the popular votes from Florida and Michigan.

Anyone know the contact info for these reporters Randy Yeip and Matt Phillips with the Wall Street Journal?


After a web search I found these reporters email addresses:

Randy Yeip: Randy.Yeip@dowjones.com
Matt Phillips: matt.phillips@wsj.com

We need to write them to have them update their table to include the Florida and Michigan popular vote since the DNC will likely reinstate at least half of those states delegates.


PhillyGuy1

[AlexG]

When I heard Obama said in January about Hillary that, "She(Hillary) is a champ. You(Obama) can't win by points. You(Obama) has to make a knock out to win." I know then that he would do everything he could to make her "knocked out" off the race. That means, he thinks the only way he would win is to do everything he can to make Hillary QUIT the race. Go figure about Obama and his supporters.

Winner is NOT a quitter.

[blueskygal]

i was not aware of this. more bullying from O's campaign. Gawd i do not like him as much as i do not like "GWB" - his "brother" in that they are both narcissists who never take responsibility for anything.

[NYVIN4HILL08]

Hillary gets nomination at convention.



http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-7/1196423/hillmtrush.jpg




Hillary for president 2008-2016

[PhillyGuy1]

"Change is an intelligent woman, not a naive man. "

I love your sig file.

PhillyGuy1

[Laura Cereta]

DON'T FALL FOR THE SHAM!

Superdelegates cannot vote until August at the convention. Until then, their "support" for any candidate is meaningless. What counts is their VOTE in August at the convention.

On May 31 there will be a DNC meeting to decide what should happen with the FL & MI fiasco! Hillary won both states. The true number of delegates (both pledged & super) that a candidate requires to "win" is 2209. This cannot be finalized until all SD vote at the August convention.

DON'T BELIEVE LIES.

A very valid point. And the FL/MI issue is not over and will not be until August. That's why they call John McCain the presumptive nominee of the Republican Party. He can not actually be their nominee until their convention.

[Christines]

That is why we must bring in the popular vote in South Dakota and Montana. CALL. CALL. CALL!

[remarkable12]

so August it is then. :)

[LarryMac]

Ok, I keep seeing everyone eating the mainstream media bull**** about how it is all over if the supers put Obama over the magic number. Like my mother used to tell me, "Get that out of your mouth, it's nasty!" The only vote from super delegates that counts is the one on the floor of the convention in Denver which is not going to happen in June. Get that through your heads, quit hanging your heads in defeat and realize that Obama will step on his own foot by then and Hillary will win!

[LarryMac]

Just because the media says it is so, don't make it so. Hillary is going all the way to Denver.

[ScottVA]

EXACTLY.... SD's are a matter of last resort (a pseudo safety net) They don't step in unless the Pledged Delegates can't come to their own decision during floor votes at the Convention....

THIS WHOLE SD thing has been BLOWN WAY out of proportion by the MSM ....

[emmyCA]

Let's see what Nancy Pelosi can do...She thought she has magic wand to end it early...What a bullsh**t!!

[LetsHelpAmerica]

We have fought too long, too hard to start listening to all that media crap
now! It's on to Denver or an Independent run.

[joeysky18]

Be productive and call MT & SD.

[Marie]

Ok, I keep seeing everyone eating the mainstream media bull**** about how it is all over if the supers put Obama over the magic number. Like my mother used to tell me, "Get that out of your mouth, it's nasty!" The only vote from super delegates that counts is the one on the floor of the convention in Denver which is not going to happen in June. Get that through your heads, quit hanging your heads in defeat and realize that Obama will step on his own foot by then and Hillary will win!

That's what I've been sayin.!!:D

[Kbentleyis]

EXACTLY! Denver is the battleground. It doesn't matter what the media puts out and I'm keeping my fullforce ahead attitude.

[agalfromcal4hill]

Is the vote in denver (SD's) a secret ballot? Do the nominees ever know who voted for or against them?

[SusanfromPA]

Let's see what Nancy Pelosi can do...She thought she has magic wand to end it early...What a bullsh**t!!

You mean broom handle don't you?:p

[Qulin]

I just listened to Fox and they said the Hillary Camp says the SDs are not bound to a particular candidate as of yet. Whooohoooooo, go Hillary.

[CGP]

I just listened to Fox and they said the Hillary Camp says the SDs are not bound to a particular candidate as of yet. Whooohoooooo, go Hillary.

Seems a lot of people don't understand this FACT. An endorsement from a superdelegate means NOTHING until it's converted into an actual VOTE at the August convention. Until that time, there is nothing to stop a superdelegate switching their allegiance a million times back and forth between the 2 candidates. What matters is their VOTE in August.

[RE:]

Seems a lot of people don't understand this FACT. An endorsement from a superdelegate means NOTHING until it's converted into an actual VOTE at the August convention. Until that time, there is nothing to stop a superdelegate switching their allegiance a million times back and forth between the 2 candidates. What matters is their VOTE in August.

FINALLY...PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS!!! It's been driving me crazy that the so-called 'pledged delegates' are not being included in this discussion. I understand that it is not the 'norm' for PD's to change their minds...BUT..THIS IS NOT YOUR 'NORMAL' PRIMARY...
ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN BEFORE THE CONVENTION!!!!!

Read the below thread I started a couple weeks ago and add your posts, if you would like.;)

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=12325&referrerid=1830

[RE:]

Bumpity-Bump-Bump;)

[RE:]

BUMPITY-BUMP-BUMP!!!:D

[NYVIN4HILL08]

bump

[Santiago]

FINALLY...PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS!!! It's been driving me crazy that the so-called 'pledged delegates' are not being included in this discussion. I understand that it is not the 'norm' for PD's to change their minds...BUT..THIS IS NOT YOUR 'NORMAL' PRIMARY...
ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN BEFORE THE CONVENTION!!!!!

Read the below thread I started a couple weeks ago and add your posts, if you would like.;)

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=12325&referrerid=1830

Yes!!

[Eridon]

So what is this, just a game? I just wrote Sam Spencer an angry letter, and so did everyone else who emailed his blog at samspencer.org. What a jerk! But if they vote in August, I guess they can switch, and maybe there's still hope for Florida and Michigan.

I just find this so difficult -- not the bashing, which I don't take seriously -- but the plot behind the bashing, that's what's so disgusting. it's also scary and disheartening, because if she doesn't get the nom, our country is f*d. At this point, she's the only one in the whole friggin country who is fit to lead.

If she doesn't get in, I will have to leave the country. I love my house, but I can't survive here any more. I've had my fill of this corporate dictatorship and the teflon drugged out, overdeveloped, congested, polluted society we have become. So it's actually better not to be able to afford it, because I don't have the option of wasting any more time.

Anyway, I guess I can hang on with no heat, no gas, and no food until August.

[Michael White]

If saying it was true, I would be 3 inches taller and 30 pounds lighter!!:D:p:D


I declare BHO is a pompous ass. (does that make it true?)

[suerw]

Seems a lot of people don't understand this FACT. An endorsement from a superdelegate means NOTHING until it's converted into an actual VOTE at the August convention. Until that time, there is nothing to stop a superdelegate switching their allegiance a million times back and forth between the 2 candidates. What matters is their VOTE in August.

Seems the media need to be reminded of this. Of course they are well aware, but throwing in the super delegate endorsement count to make it appear that Obama has actually clinched the nomination.

[Bad Kitty]

I declare BHO is a pompous ass. (does that make it true?)

Yes. Because I second it.

[Laura Cereta]

Let's keep this fact in mind... it's hard, I know.

(Did BO just thank his "typical white person" Grandmother in his speech??) :confused::rolleyes:

[CGP]

Wow, guess what? Nothing has changed. Superdelegates are still voting in August. Unless of course the Democratic Party has changed its wonderful rules and gave them the power to vote today? Last I checked that wasn't the case.

So Obama's declaration of "victory" was yet another fraudulent claim happily supported by the wonderfuly corrupt American media - remember, those same people that sold you the Iraq War? Remember?

[Bad Kitty]

So Obama's declaration of "victory" was yet another fraudulent claim happily supported by the wonderfuly corrupt American media - remember, those same people that sold you the Iraq War? Remember?

Yep and the same people that declared Iraq a victory right along with W. Fool us once shame on them, fool us twice shame on the people who continue to believe their crap.

[Eridon]

Thanks for that list. It's very informative in that it gives whether the superdelegate is supporting the candidate who won their state, or when the superdelegate is a member of the US House of Representatives, whether they are supporting the candidate who won their congressional district.

When you include Florida and Michigan Hillary wins the popular vote. Consequently if we convince the superdelegates to follow the will of the people in their state or district, Hillary wil get the nomination.

PhillyGuy1

Thanks for the list. We need to be writing these supers, but I caution against "in their state or district." Some, like Gov. Baldacci of Maine went AGAINST their state or district and avidly support Hillary. It's the GENERAL ELECTION, THE NATIONAL CHOICE they need to worry about. I was at the Maine convention for three days straight, and what i saw was every bit as bashing and dirty as what's going on nationally. Gov. Baldacci jokingly said, "Tell Ted Kennedy that if he doesn't go with the voters of his state, why should I?" Baldacci has a lot of strength, wisdom, and guts. It was an honor to spend time with him at the convention, and the only time I felt safely connected.

FYI, the drunks at the motel where I was staying who made it impossible for anyone to sleep were the Obamabots. These were not "the young," they were middle-aged, "sick and proud."

[Eridon]

Wow, guess what? Nothing has changed. Superdelegates are still voting in August. Unless of course the Democratic Party has changed its wonderful rules and gave them the power to vote today? Last I checked that wasn't the case.

So Obama's declaration of "victory" was yet another fraudulent claim happily supported by the wonderfuly corrupt American media - remember, those same people that sold you the Iraq War? Remember?

They probably don't dare to change the rules with something so nationally open knowledge. However, they most certainly do dare and did, with the Maine convention.

[NYVIN4HILL08]

The news is trying to brainwash the American People, now they are saying that he is the democratic nominee, what a bunch of bull.

[Eridon]

DON'T FALL FOR THE SHAM!

Superdelegates cannot vote until August at the convention. Until then, their "support" for any candidate is meaningless. What counts is their VOTE in August at the convention.

On May 31 there will be a DNC meeting to decide what should happen with the FL & MI fiasco! Hillary won both states. The true number of delegates (both pledged & super) that a candidate requires to "win" is 2209. This cannot be finalized until all SD vote at the August convention.

DON'T BELIEVE LIES.

I totally get it. The Portland Press Herald has announced on the front page that O. won the nomination! and than this wild and lengthy campaign is "over." What should I do?

[Ronda in Oregon]

DON'T FALL FOR THE SHAM!

Superdelegates cannot vote until August at the convention. Until then, their "support" for any candidate is meaningless. What counts is their VOTE in August at the convention.

On May 31 there will be a DNC meeting to decide what should happen with the FL & MI fiasco! Hillary won both states. The true number of delegates (both pledged & super) that a candidate requires to "win" is 2209. This cannot be finalized until all SD vote at the August convention.

DON'T BELIEVE LIES. I have heard that they are trying to remove Hillary's name off the ballot. Is this true?? Also Donna Brazille said on CNN the other day that they now want to change the half votes to full voting statis before the convention. Can they do this for Obama to now get all full votes and Hillary none???? This would make a bigger farce out of what the DNC has already accomplished. Does anyone know the truth or untruth behind this?

[santafegal]

I try to remind myself of this every day...there is yet no "official" nominee.

[CGP]

I have heard that they are trying to remove Hillary's name off the ballot. Is this true??

I don't know what the situation is, but this must be RESISTED to the fullest extent!

[spega]

Guys--Send the strongest possible message to the DNC and the superdelegates.

Hillary at the top of the ticket--or we're voting for McCain.

Participate in a teleconference
scheduled for Saturday, June 14th with John McCain for HRC
supporters at 3:30. EST
Here is the access info to register for the call:
email: teletownhall@johnmccain.com
OR http://cityhall.johnmccain.com

NO commitment--just listen in & speak up!!
And.... tell Dean and Pelosi we're serious.

If you can’t participate in the call, but want to submit a question, please send it to MKforhillary@gmail.com

PLEASE PASS ALONG EVERYWHERE THERE ARE HRC SUPPORTERS

[santafegal]

Wow, guess what? Nothing has changed. Superdelegates are still voting in August. Unless of course the Democratic Party has changed its wonderful rules and gave them the power to vote today?

I tell myself this every day, the SD's vote in August. The SD's vote in August. It' my daily mantra. :)

However, being a bit of a worry wart, and with the way things have been going lately, I half expect to wake up one of these mornings and find out that those morons have changed the rules. :eek: Sheesh.....

[Annie]

I have heard that they are trying to remove Hillary's name off the ballot. Is this true?? Also Donna Brazille said on CNN the other day that they now want to change the half votes to full voting statis before the convention. Can they do this for Obama to now get all full votes and Hillary none???? This would make a bigger farce out of what the DNC has already accomplished. Does anyone know the truth or untruth behind this?


They said that Obama will make the half votes full votes at the convention when he is declared the official nominee.

Now that is definitely not democratic and quite frankly if Hillary goes for that then she has just thrown us all under that bus too. And that annoys me a lot. I hope her name is on the ballot and I trust that people will come to their senses and vote their American conscience.

[Bad Kitty]

They said that Obama will make the half votes full votes at the convention when he is declared the official nominee.

Now that is definitely not democratic and quite frankly if Hillary goes for that then she has just thrown us all under that bus too. And that annoys me a lot. I hope her name is on the ballot and I trust that people will come to their senses and vote their American conscience.

WT_? I don't think he can do that. He already advocated for those people being counted as half. Even if they count them at full at some point, it's no way they can forget that huge slap in the face.

[PhillyGuy1]

WT_? I don't think he can do that. He already advocated for those people being counted as half. Even if they count them at full at some point, it's no way they can forget that huge slap in the face.

Exactly right. Not only did he want to take away their right to vote, he must also take them to be fools since he will give them their rights back only AFTER he is made the nominee, when it won't make any difference.


PhillyGuy1

[samkm]

Reminder: Super Delegates vote in Denver. :)

[foxyladi]

keep the faith
hil:Dlary will be our president!!!!!!!!!!1

[Robin Orlowski]

After meeting some obamabots...I need to bump this up again. The same guy who was citing the rules verbatim before the convention--now ignores the ability of SDs to switch their votes under any circumstances until the nomination, and Hillary never officially exiting; The campaign is on hold.

So while he's trying to carve out an exception, I know our girl is still the winning candidate.

[HillaryforPresident]

If enough super delegates change their mind and vote for Clinton not Obama, how can Clinton get enough delegates to win the nomination?Do the delegate and super delegate count in your response, show it so I can see.

[HillaryforPresident]

The Florida and Michigan delegates should count for whole instead of half. I am not going to be happy until Clinton gets the nomination.

[HillaryforPresident]

No official democrat nominee will be announced until the DNC
convention in Denver in August, but it is true that the primary election is over because all 50 states voting, the general election voting will be in November. I hope if Clinton get the nomination that she does not choose Obama as her vp. Who do you think Clinton will choose as VP if by some miracle she gets the nomination.

[CGP]

Good banner:

http://www.hillarysupporters.com/images/facts.gif

[cindy grey]

The Democrats are in trouble and I'm not sure that they know it. They cannot win in November without some or all of Hillary's 18 million voters. When they wake up they might consider suggesting to Obama that he put Hillary on the ticket. I realize it's his choice but what intelligent choices has he made on his own before? As far as I am concerned my vote is for McCain unless Hillary is on the ticket. I bet there are enough other voters like me to give the White House to the Republicans again. Unbelievable!

[ddprice]

"Obama Supporters Lose Faith Demand Respect"

I Own My Vote is unapologetically pro-Hillary, but we would be remiss if we did not pay homage to our Obama supporting brothers and sisters who have suddenly discovered that "Change You Can Believe In" was just a figment of David Axelrod's Orwellian doublespeak.

Mikael Rudolph, an Obama supporter and founder of ImpeachForPeace.org wrote on his blog on the Barack Obama website, "Oppose our call for the re-establishment of our 4th Amendment rights through opposing FISA violators and we will oppose your candidacy." In short, he owns his vote and pledges not to give it to Obama if he doesn't earn it.

Obama supporter Bob Fertik, dismayed that his candidate broke his promise to filibuster the FISA bill urged fellow Obama supporters to escrow their donations until they get some R-E-S-P-E-C-T. I Own My Vote feels your pain Bob. All we want is a little respect too.

Meanwhile, others who voted for Obama in the primary are rescindng their support entirely, announcing that they won't vote for him in November.

So as the days and weeks go on, perhaps the party will unify around the idea that we own our votes. It's time to tell your Obama supporting contacts to sign the pledge at http://www.iownmyvote.com/.

Demand a Roll Call Vote

The issue of what to do with Hillary Clinton at the convention next month is causing all sorts of hand wringing in Obamaland. The reason? In the words of Yogi Berra, it ain't over until the fat lady sings. In this case, the fat lady is the 823 superdelegates who won't "sing" until they vote during the roll call at the convention.

In order to win the Democratic nomination for President, a candidate needs 2,118 delegates. Obama only has 1,766.5 pledged delegates, about 350 short of what he needs to clinch victory. Since superdelegates haven't voted yet, Obama can't be sure that he'll have their support six weeks from now, especially while he continues to disappoint and enrage Democrats with his pandering to the right. With Newsweek delcaring a dead heat between Obama and McCain, and the Rasmussen Tracking Poll showing Obama ahead by only 2 points, and a CNN poll shows that 32% of all Clinton supporters won't vote for president if Obama is the nominee (up from 22% a month ago), the Obama campaign is right to believe that superdelegates might not vote as expected if given the opportunity to do so in Denver.

All this moved Clinton turncoat Taylor Marsh to go on a scolding rant against democracy, urging that Obama should make sure there is no roll call vote because that would highlight the fact that he hasn't secured the nomination.

Enough is enough. The only way to stop the superdelegates from showing their true colors in November is to make sure they never vote. Can they do this? Sure. It's called suspending the rules and nominating by acclimation.

FIGHT FOR DEMOCRACY! Contact the chairs of the Rules Committee of the Democratic National Convention and tell them that you DEMAND a roll call vote, that you voted for delegates to the convention and you expect them to be heard, and you expect your superdelegates to go on record with their votes. And while you're at it, contact Taylor Marsh and tell her you own your vote and you're sick of her acting like you don't know what you're doing with it.

Contact Taylor Marsh: taylor@taylormarsh.com

Contact the Co-Chairs of the Democratic National Convention Rules Committee and tell them YOU OWN YOUR VOTE:

David Walters
President, Walters Power International
Email: david@walterspower.com
Phone: (405) 528-2860
Fax: (405) 528-2466

Sunita Leeds
3205 R ST NW,
Washington DC
Email: leedss@dnc.org
Phone: (202) 863-8000

Mary Rose Oakar
President, American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee
Email: president@adc.org
Phone: (202) 244-2990
Fax: (202) 244-7968

[hillbilly4me]

Sure we all know that some media are in the tank for Obama.As we know that a topic comes up on msnbc-abc are a planed topic everyone knows their role in what to say and they know how to anwser the question as they to are pre-planned to say.Now what Msnbc and other media has done to Hillary and her supporters are now again doing it in trying to get John McCain.

As we all know polls,the democratic paerty leaders MSNBC other media as well as Obama tried to put Hillary and paint her as a Bush as well tried to paint John Mcain as Bush.Obama tried to do this as saying that Bush failed policy's well Obama has voted more then anyone on Bushes bills,Obama proudly said that on the media before this came an issue on who is more like Bush-The thing is democratic party-msnbc-Obama and his adviceors alll batsh Hillary and McCain saying we don't want 8 years of Bushes failed policy's.Well I don't as well.But when Obama and democratic party leaders msnbc Obama and others tried to tie Hillary and McCain into Bushes more alike. And As I said before. Hillary is not Obama, McCain is not Bush. Obama = Bush ! Obama has voted with and more on Bush and Dick Chengy including the Bush-Dick Chengy Energy bill as Obama tryied to say he was the only candidate That did not vote on this billo and then turnes and said Hillary did and she did not stand up to the oil companies.He didn't put Kohn M cCains name in it yet. But Obama again lied! Obama is the only candidate who "DID" vote for this shity bill of Bush and Dick Chengys bill.

Hillary and McCain voted against it. They are the two who did stand up against the oil companies as well.Hillary and McCain stood up for the people.

Obama did not.He just put the blame on Hillary and now John McCain

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=5364939

OBAMA NEVER! So now that Obama's supporters had made a website and as well begged Obama not to vote on the 4th amendment bill-Obama did vote on this Bush Bill.He lost some supporters because of it. Now many on blogs were saying all along that Obama is a bush,including me-This bill-gun ban bill and more we prove dour point.But the media-Democratic party leasers and Obama himself said no Bush failed policy's and McCain stand right by him and we don't need this in washington old politics.Well now that the people have prove Obama is Bush the Media now is trying to get him out of hot water-I bet they sat for days after his last vote on Bush bill that ;ead Obama to lose people.They are really mad and called him a liar as well.So the media has to come in a save again another day.They sat I bet for many day's house at the table on the phone planning what to say.Well what they did come up with cause there is no other way to get Obama out of this they said-It's a good thing,Huh? After all Obama's and the democratic party leaders as well as msnbc and the media not to say the polls a s well tried to protrade McCian as Bush as well as Hillary as Bush- They Obama and the rest say we don't need anymore of Bush and his failed policy's.lol what a laugh.Now they say hey it's good thing. Just like they tries here as well get him out of what Jesse Jackson said.And what Donna said here in what Jesse Jackson meant is man,That's all you got?and so way of vase on the reason.What does she take us for.And everything Msnbc cbs abc cbs Are so full of it.They want to say Obama Ahead and another station will say Obama losing ground.And the New York Times come sout Obama ahead.Lol we saw this lies in msnbc-polls and press. Anyways the inportant thing is all three here and the rund table acts if they are doing good-When they are trying to get out of it....

Well never Obama!

[hillbilly4me]

Obama: "I Don't Care How Poor You Are"

YouTube - Obama: &quot;I Don't Care How Poor You Are&quot;



I say no deal:He had the nerve to say what he said.

[hillbilly4me]

Barack Obama is gonna get us all Killed here's proof
YouTube - Barack Obama is gonna get us all Killed here's proof



Obama Claims No One Clapped During Detroit, MI Speech
YouTube - Obama Claims No One Clapped During Detroit, MI Speech


Speaking English and Spanish
http://video.aol.com/video/video-category/2157685
http://video.aol.com/video/news-speaking-english-and-spanish/2157685

Artical of our schools and colleges who learns and speak spanish.
http://www.nvtc.gov/lotw/months/november/USschoollanguages.htm

(What I think is Obama is doing this to have the hispanics to think he is for them,while downing our schools and people.Obama with hispanics people did not like or want Obama-So Obama has to play again against the people?)

[hillbilly4me]

In noquarter.com there are video of Obama saying Iran isn's a threat in Montana-And the same day in portland Oregon he tell the people that Iran is a threat.It's on www.noquarters.net

the link of noquarter is here on a video I send.



Barack Obama is gonna get us all Killed here's proof
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRBLi-Th4lk&feature=related



Obama Claims No One Clapped During Detroit, MI Speech
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDn_QoVfMpk&feature=email


Speaking English and Spanish
http://video.aol.com/video/video-category/2157685
http://video.aol.com/video/news-speaking-english-and-spanish/2157685

Artical of our schools and colleges who learns and speak spanish.
http://www.nvtc.gov/lotw/months/november/USschoollanguages.htm

(What I think is Obama is doing this to have the hispanics to think he is for them,while downing our schools and people.Obama with hispanics people did not like or want Obama-So Obama has to play again against the people?)




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfVOs3Xn2qo



Gaddafi: Obama is a Muslim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSemkPChvHo


Demand to See Original Birth Certificate by Aug. 1

Barack Obama, Certification of Live Birth, John McCain, birth certificate, eligibility, hawaii
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/14/demand-to-see-original-birth-certificate-by-aug-1/#comment-460010

Barack Hussein Obama ~ NO Accomplishments! MUST SEE VIDEO!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybd7MUixxyg&feature=related


Requests have not worked. Join me in demanding that Sen. Barack Obama show America a certified copy of his complete and original birth certificate (BC) by August 1. The version he has posted on the web, the Certificate of Live Birth (COLB), is only a short abstract.

Sen. Obama should do the same thing that Sen. McCain did. He should show reporters a copy of the full version of his BC, which includes the name of the hospital where he was born as well as other details of his birth that are not included on the short COLB.

Presidential candidates should accommodate such requests, as McCain did. Unless there’s something to hide, it shouldn’t be a big deal. The fact that this request to see Obama’s real and complete BC has become a big deal, is suspicious.

There is an easy way to do this. Obama can authorize the State of Hawaii to release the certified copy of his original BC to an approved representative in Hawaii. Reporters and other observers must have the option to be present. The date/time should be widely announced 5 days in advance. I am sure that the State of Hawaii would accommodate the Senator on short notice.

Will Sen. Obama respond to the peoples’ demand to see a certified copy of his original birth certificate before Aug. 1?

#####

By the way, someone set up a petition demanding to see Obama’s Birth Certificate, but that person shut down the petition after threats were directed at his/her family. I hope that Obama’s campaign had nothing to do with those threats.

The website for that petition was birthcertificatenow.com. Earlier Sunday, the link worked and there was a notation on the site that the petition had been closed due to threats. Later Sunday, the link led to a solid black page.

I have a video some where when Obama is asking-begging more like as he repeats hisself.Donate $ 5 $10 something.He repeats this.But what got me was what he said after he begged for donations is " I don't care if you are poor" I will find that video and mail it to you.

[hillbilly4me]

YouTube - Obama's Iraq Problem: Change That Works For Him

[hillbilly4me]

It's strange that no message on saying the page is being updated,Nothing i's just there that's all.I sure hope this isn't a threat against the men who did this website for Hillary's supporters.Many people have been threatren by Obama'camp-and Someone has been doing the span thinhy to keep us locked out.Well we know what we are goiung to do.So if we are all gone we know why and what happend and we still know that we will not vote Obama.as Obama is cheating again.So it's Denver and Roll call and if not given we all know what we have to do. Hillary 08 or John McCain 08


NO V.P FOR HILLARY..WE NEED HER NOW OR WE WILL BE BACK IN 2012 AND WE WILL VOTE MCCAIN 08 IF HILLARY IS BLOCK LIED OUT OF LIKE OBAMA DID TO PALMER.FOR HIS SENATE RUN.

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[hillbilly4me]

YouTube - Obama's Iraq Problem: Change That Works For Him (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcIeoSHTyCI)



LOL LISTEN TO THIS OBAMA SUPPORTER TRYING TO MAKE NICE AS HE IS LIKE OBAMA SAY A NICE THING TRO BAD NICE THEN BAD.GET OVER IT DEMOCRATIC PATRY LEADERS WE WILL NOT COME AROUND! HILLARY 2008 OR WE WILL VOTE MCCAIN ANTHER GOOD CHOICE.WE ARE STANDING WITH HILLARY TILL AFTER THE CONVENTION AND WE WANT A ROLL CALL.IF NOT MCCAIM WILL BE MORE THEN HAPPY TO HAVE HILLARY'S SUPPORTERS.Obama is not fit!!to run our country.

[PunjabSherman]

there will even be an actual vote, you know a show of hands where everyone knows what the tally is. Or will they simply go for a voice vote? Does anyone know for sure that Hillary will ask to be nominated even. Or, will she just go along and let them make him a unanimous choice. Questions, questions.. It's all so different, and strange, this season compared to elections past..