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wwendiep
03-10-2008, 02:19 PM
for a while i have seen something similar in these primaries.evertime anything negative come up about obama, he kinda just makes fun of hillary by calling her silly or exercised and the media goes along with it or when mrs obama made that comment about not being proud of her country that silly story about john mccaen 4 years ago came out.that happened all the time 4 years ago...like these stories were being held back 4 just the right time...i ve been telling my husband that carl rove must be advising someone in the obama camp how to misdirect and change the story line...and this am i heard that indeed carl rove is working on the republican campaign...how could the republicans possibly defeat the democratsthis election?by dividing the part right down the middle, i know they kept saying they wanted to run against hillary but thgen they always say the exact opposite of what they really mean.. i do not want another republican 4 years and i am afraid the republicans are on thier way. i think they can easily beat obama a very liberal inexperienced senetor. hillary would have been much bigger problem having learned from her mistakes and starting to be more down the middle and fair to the middle class..i see a disaster im the making democrats wake up...please

ProHiLL
03-10-2008, 02:46 PM
It has been clear to me every since this campaign started that the repubs do not want Hillary. They know they can not beat her. So all along they have been planting seeds to tear her down. They have crossed over and voted BO, they are out there on the blogs pretending to be BO supporters viciously attacking Hillary. They are on a mission to divide and conquer. That is the only way they can beat the Dems this year. That is why you are seeing all these petitions "Will you vote McCain if Hillary is not the nominee?' "Will you vote McCain if BO is not the nominee?" They want this. Repubs want us to hate BO, they want BO supporters to hate Hillary. But we are Democrats we are not supposed to be the hate mongers. Unfortunately with the media saturation and the internet our younger Dems are being brainwashed and buying all the negative garbage. But trust this. Hillary understands the psychology of politics, the Super Delegates understand the psychology of politics and they are not swayed by the negativie tactics as easily as the average voter. Repubs are shaking in their boots at the thought of a Clinton/Obama ticket.

G4Hillary
03-10-2008, 02:55 PM
Hey it is no surprise that Republicans run the media. Remember the only two term Democratic President in the last 45 years has been Bill Cliinton. We forget don't we!!

That is why Obama is doing a major disservice to the party right now. The moron section of the democratic party thinks Obama can actually win. The Republicans are the kings of the jungle and in order to beat them you need a real fighter--Hillary, not some slim shady con artist Obama who says one thing then his chief advisors are saying something totally different.

CGP
03-10-2008, 02:56 PM
Republicans definitely have their hands dirty in all of this - one way or another, they are not sitting back doing nothing!

Optixmom
03-10-2008, 03:05 PM
Caucuses. I just don't get them. Why Democrats would want an elitist forum to choose their nominee is beyond me.

Another thing that is infuriating me right now is the way that the media and the Obama camp wants Senator Clinton to get out of the race. Trying to blame her for whatever discontent there is. She is only back by 2% of the overall delegate vote...2%! This is just the most ridiculous notion that she is done for because he has 2% more delegates than her!

If he was destined to be our nominee, then why the heck did sooooo many people come out for Senator Clinton in Texas and Ohio?

Laura Cereta
03-10-2008, 03:18 PM
Yes, I don't doubt that Republicans are going to do everything possible to win the general election. I don't know about Karl Rove advising the BO camp... I hadn't heard that one. Republicans are loving life right now as they see all the intra-party fighting, which, ironically enough seems to be perpetrated by the BO "unity" crew. They are some of the meanest, most hateful bloggers I've ever come across.

Let me point out as well that the media is really pushing this divided party idea. When Sen. Clinton mentions NAFTA-gate or Rezko, that's "dividing the party." This is a ridiculous summation of the events. These are BO's self-inflicted wounds. It's not like Hillary MADE him get involved in shady business deals, or lie to the American public, or say one thing in Ohio and his advisor another thing to Canadians. How is that her fault?

In terms of general election strength, it seems like a no-brainer to me. Sen. Clinton has taken the hits from all directions for years and not only survived but thrived. One week of bad press and her opponent is demoralized and whining. Not only is she the best person for the job of President, she can not be swift-boated in a general election.

wwendiep
03-10-2008, 03:30 PM
i also am confused why people like chris matthews think it s up to hillary to clatify mr obama s religious beliefs . if he can t do it why does she have to....after the way the media jumps on everything she says i'm not surprised she is carefule choosing her words..maybe it s time 4 hillary to start asking the question of the media why am i resonsible 4 clarifying mr obamas problems after all i want to talk about the issuses but the media keeps wanting to change the subject....maybe saturday nivght livr could do a skit wit chris matthews insisting on hillary cleaning up all obama problems.

wwendiep
03-10-2008, 03:37 PM
and having one of his advisors on tape in another country calling her a monster and explaining that everything he says is just a campaign stratagy, is not negative campining to the media, after all she was just a minor figure ..hillary should point out that she is dioing pretty good since she has to run against not only obama but the media as well.

KYWildcatFan
03-10-2008, 04:43 PM
I agree that the republicans are working their ropes. Some of the republicans are falling for it by voting for BO but other republicans are so afraid that McCain will lose to BO that they are voting for Hillary. It's really pretty sad.

I have a brother-in-law that I love dearly but he's a die hard republican. I asked him who he voted for (he's in Ohio) and he said Hillary. Of course I was shocked and had to ask why. He said that the republicans are afraid they will lose to BO so if I vote for Hillary McCain is a shoe in" OMG I laughed so hard I about fell over. I told him the only reason the republican party is pushing BO's name is because they can chew him up and spit him out in no time. Hillary, however, will be a definate problem for them to deal with. I just told him to really think about what he had just said and to do a bit of research then get back to me. He called three days later and said I was right and he wish he would have asked me to begin with. I would have never told him to vote BO for no reason.

So it might not play out as well as the republicans want this to. It could all back fire on them. If enough republicans are so afraid of BO winning they will be voting for Hillary, and all I can do is sit back and laugh.

If voters really took the time to educate themselves they'd see the only real choice is Hillary. If they strip away everything, the sex, the race and the party and just look at each canidates accomplishments, their voting records, their history, their awards, ect they would see only one stands out above the rest, Our Dear Hillary!

On another note my daughter 21 and my son 19 and I were sitting around talking about voting. We all agreed (which is something we very rarely do) that before a person goes to vote they should have to take a test. A test on their knowledge on each person running for office. If they are unable to pass the test they should get a chance to retake the test (just as in taking a drivers license test) after studying the facts on each person running. We think it would insure that the person voting was voting with knowledge not just taking some one elses word or simply voting from their heart rather voting with their brains.

In my case I am voting with my brain which happens to agree with my heart. It's Hillary all the way. She is human. We've been there when she has succeeded, when she has stumbled, when she has laughed, when she has cried, we've seen her struggle and always get back up again and work her way back up the mountain. She does not talk to a person, a crowd, a reporter, she really connects, she truly listens, she understands. She's a real trooper.

Hillary will prevail no matter what the odds are. She has proven that time and time again. She wont let us down as long as we dont let her down. So keep blogging, keep making calls, keep donating, and keep debating. We Will Win! Yes She Can, Yes We Will![/FONT]

Ohio mom
03-10-2008, 04:45 PM
Hey it is no surprise that Republicans run the media. Remember the only two term Democratic President in the last 45 years has been Bill Cliinton. We forget don't we!!

That is why Obama is doing a major disservice to the party right now. The moron section of the democratic party thinks Obama can actually win. The Republicans are the kings of the jungle and in order to beat them you need a real fighter--Hillary, not some slim shady con artist Obama who says one thing then his chief advisors are saying something totally different.

OH THEY TOTALLY HAVE THEIR MITS IN THIS...THEY KNOW IF OBAMA WINS THE NOMINATION A GOOD MAJORITY OF HILLARY SUPPORTERS WILL NOT VOTE FOR HIM BUT FOR MCCAIN...OR THEY WILL JUST WRITE HER IN...EITHER WAY LESS VOTES FOR OBAMA. THEY WILL NOT HAVE A SNOWBALL'S CHANCE IN HELL IF...I MEAN WHEN...SHE WINS THE NOMINATION!!!!!

KateMaro
03-10-2008, 04:55 PM
Read this

"Absent her, we can get a slice of all those people"
Cole a top Republican Party strategist said in a low profile interview in Mar 08

source http://news.yahoo.com/s/cq/20080304/pl_cq_politics/politics2680448

Oklahoma Rep. Tom Cole, a top Republican Party strategist who is heading his party's efforts to reclaim a majority of House seats, thinks it would be better for GOP prospects this November if Democrats nominate Illinois Sen. Barack Obama rather than New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

At a Monday breakfast meeting with reporters that was organized by the Christian Science Monitor, Cole said that Clinton was the stronger Democratic candidate and that a McCain-Obama race would produce a sharper contrast that would assist Republican congressional candidates who will be sharing a 2008 ballot with McCain. Cole said McCain was the "strongest general election candidate" the Republicans could have nominated, and he described Obama as inexperienced, too liberal and untested as a political candidate.

"Absent her, we can get a slice of all those people, in my opinion," Cole said.

skc1976
03-10-2008, 05:06 PM
OH THEY TOTALLY HAVE THEIR MITS IN THIS...THEY KNOW IF OBAMA WINS THE NOMINATION A GOOD MAJORITY OF HILLARY SUPPORTERS WILL NOT VOTE FOR HIM BUT FOR MCCAIN...OR THEY WILL JUST WRITE HER IN...EITHER WAY LESS VOTES FOR OBAMA. THEY WILL NOT HAVE A SNOWBALL'S CHANCE IN HELL IF...I MEAN WHEN...SHE WINS THE NOMINATION!!!!!

Great post here. I want to echo that I've talked to a lot of Hillary supporters in my area that will not go to Obama's side if he's the nominee. We've already pledged to vote for McCain. Virginia is a red state anyway so he'd have an uphill climb in trying to convert us, even with our inapt Governor.

swannyj
03-10-2008, 05:49 PM
I wonder if it would be beneficial when blogging to paste this link into the blog and ask readers to read before making up their minds on who to vote as nominee. Also would serve the DNC right if we all sent the link to them or copied and pasted the article in to the block. It does seem to me some of the DNC may be part of this at least to the extend of blocking HIllary out.

Given this ploy by the Republican and BO's all out effort to register new voters & independents we are going to fight hard in Penn.

memphis
03-10-2008, 06:05 PM
I think Rubert Murdoch is behind Obama running and also the media bias.
He is part of that vast righ-wing conspiracy that tried to impeach Bill Clinton and failed.
One of the pundits mentioned that Karl Rove was working with the Obama camp.
Obama has a little taste of power and he is not about to give up the race even though surely he realized that he can't possibly win the General Election.
If Obama was a more honorable person, maybe we could vote for him. If Obama gets the nomination, the Republicans will win this battle because they know McCain is a better choice than Obama - even for a Democrat.

ProHiLL
03-10-2008, 10:57 PM
http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html

Very interesting article. A must read. This is what we are up against.

"The marketing ploy has worked like a charm. A new generation of voters hungry for change have gobbled up Obama's anti-establishment brand like fish in a barrel.":mad:

memphis
05-14-2008, 01:08 AM
BO is trying to make everyone think he is the nominee by behaving like the nominee. He is campaigning against McCain. He is not participating in the WV vote. He has made the statement he will declare victory on May 20th.
This is all eerily similar to the way George Bush behaved during the so-called FL recount and then on to the 'supreme court'. He put together his cabinet, he put together a working government even before the supreme court decided he had won the election. I think Bush's strategy and BO strategy come from the same source Carl Rove.
Hill and camp won't let BO and Carl get by with this. I am sure she knows the score.
And I get so fed up with all these BO supporters and Republicans brushing off the fact that 30-40% of Hill supporters say they won't vote for BO. I think that also is a Carl Rove strategy. He is as slick and slimey as Dick Morris but he is smart.

nette60
05-14-2008, 07:14 PM
BO is trying to make everyone think he is the nominee by behaving like the nominee. He is campaigning against McCain. He is not participating in the WV vote. He has made the statement he will declare victory on May 20th.
This is all eerily similar to the way George Bush behaved during the so-called FL recount and then on to the 'supreme court'. He put together his cabinet, he put together a working government even before the supreme court decided he had won the election. I think Bush's strategy and BO strategy come from the same source Carl Rove.
Hill and camp won't let BO and Carl get by with this. I am sure she knows the score.
And I get so fed up with all these BO supporters and Republicans brushing off the fact that 30-40% of Hill supporters say they won't vote for BO. I think that also is a Carl Rove strategy. He is as slick and slimey as Dick Morris but he is smart.

Karl Rove desperatley wants Obama to run.....He wants our votes and then they are going to sock it to Obama.

nette60
05-14-2008, 07:16 PM
OH THEY TOTALLY HAVE THEIR MITS IN THIS...THEY KNOW IF OBAMA WINS THE NOMINATION A GOOD MAJORITY OF HILLARY SUPPORTERS WILL NOT VOTE FOR HIM BUT FOR MCCAIN...OR THEY WILL JUST WRITE HER IN...EITHER WAY LESS VOTES FOR OBAMA. THEY WILL NOT HAVE A SNOWBALL'S CHANCE IN HELL IF...I MEAN WHEN...SHE WINS THE NOMINATION!!!!!

They think they can put eiither Richarson or Edwards on the ticket and he will win...they are willing to sacrifice a big loss from the Democratic party for this arrogant jerk

unlawflcombatnt
05-14-2008, 08:33 PM
It has been clear to me every since this campaign started that the repubs do not want Hillary. They know they can not beat her. So all along they have been planting seeds to tear her down. They have crossed over and voted BO, they are out there on the blogs pretending to be BO supporters viciously attacking Hillary. They are on a mission to divide and conquer.


Republicans would much rather run against Obama, as he is a much weaker candidate.

Polls show Clinton will beat McCain in both Florida and Ohio,
while Obama will lose both states to McCain.

Ray_of_Hope
05-17-2008, 01:53 PM
There is no doubt in my mind that the Republicans are orchestrating the whole thing. They knew that Hillary would easily overtake the Republican candidate, so they decided to push BO into the spotlight as a distraction. I am quite certain that they had knowledge of BO's dirty laundry well in advance and waited for the right time to strike. Any time I hear people claim that BO is a threat to the Republican party, I just want to laugh. BO hardly poses a threat and will be easy to defeat in November. While I won't dismiss the notion that the Republicans' plan has a good chance of blowing up in their faces, I cannot honestly see Obama defeating McCain, especially with with the amount of baggage he is carrying.

I have a feeling, though, that the Republicans are in for one hell of a surprise. Remember how Bill Clinton was the underdog? That's all I'm saying :).

Bonju
05-17-2008, 07:28 PM
Karl Rove left the White House 1 year early - in fact to fundraise. For whom? Now we know - Barack Hussain Obama. Using heavy weights (in more than just verbal symbolism) Oprah full of Hot air Winfrey, Head of Time Warner (a special interest group member) and other heads of company's who were paid by Republican donor money to stop Hillary Clinton's candidacy by any means necessary.

Karl Rove is still out there manipulating the Obama campaign, Obama and Bush are quite chummy with recent exception of bush white house pointing "talking to the enemy" fingers at Obama, which pissed him off even though he was not directly refered to by name. (guilty concious).

Ah yes, The Republican white house rules the media and they are still under gag orders to do whatever Bush white house wants - that includes lie - the rational being - everyone nom's obama - as Dem candidate and then he gets his payoff - to go quietly into this good night and disappear (no racial joke meant here) he gets what he wants and McCain becomes president just like they wanted all along.

hillgal
05-17-2008, 11:56 PM
I'm calling the moron section of the party who supports Obama the dumbocrats.

Michael White
05-20-2008, 07:15 PM
Ever since the Rev. Wright scandal broke and McCain was on FOX News defending BO ( a month before BO bothered to) I got a bad feeling. Now after seeing the kind of money BO is throwing around I get the feeling his money isn't coming from where he claims it is.

He's unelectable in November and everyone including himself know it.

NYVIN4HILL08
05-20-2008, 10:07 PM
whether the republicans have a hand or not obammer was never getting my vote anyway, the republicans can't make up his inexperienc, poor voting record, his poor judgement by attending a racist church, his ghetto wife that hates whitey, his wanting to befriend terrorist countries and put israel in harms way, if the republicans are doing anything they are preventing a traitorous anti american from becoming potus. and i blame the dnc for thier bad leftist judgement in trying to force such a poor and weak candidate down our throats. hillary can win, the dnc and superdelegates still have one more chance to nominate the true democrat, hillary clinton. if not we should not vote for obbamer, should not sit on our hands and should vote for the next best qualified loyal american patriot, yes a republican , john mccain.

Christines
05-20-2008, 10:17 PM
The Obama spin machine goes on! Hillary smashes Obama in West Virginia and Kentucky and you would never know it! The average voter has to be given credit. Obama has out spent Hillary and the MSM keep pushing him on us. And the voters keep smashing him up and spitting him out!

Obama and the Pundits, like P T Barnum, think a sucker is born every minute! Well we have a surprise for them!!

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05-24-2008, 10:12 PM
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cosmo
05-26-2008, 12:41 PM
Can anybody tell me if the DNC has deceided not to accept the primary votes from Michigan and Florida? I saw mention of it on CNN this morning and I want to know if it is true? If so, not only has our own party abandoned us but they have abandoned Hillary as well. As for the RNC pushing for Obama? That's obvious. Why else would the republican owned and controlled media push him and ridicule Hillary. McCain vs Obama? How can I vote to put a man in office with zero experience and who lies constantly. My vote will go to McCain.

hillarymyhero
06-01-2008, 02:56 PM
Yes, quite possible...I always thought about it...Obama is there to block Hillary, so that republicans could win again...

But, unfortunately If Obama is the nominee I am going to be in McCain's bandwagon....

memphis
06-01-2008, 02:58 PM
It has been clear to me every since this campaign started that the repubs do not want Hillary. They know they can not beat her. So all along they have been planting seeds to tear her down. They have crossed over and voted BO, they are out there on the blogs pretending to be BO supporters viciously attacking Hillary. They are on a mission to divide and conquer. That is the only way they can beat the Dems this year. That is why you are seeing all these petitions "Will you vote McCain if Hillary is not the nominee?' "Will you vote McCain if BO is not the nominee?" They want this. Repubs want us to hate BO, they want BO supporters to hate Hillary. But we are Democrats we are not supposed to be the hate mongers. Unfortunately with the media saturation and the internet our younger Dems are being brainwashed and buying all the negative garbage. But trust this. Hillary understands the psychology of politics, the Super Delegates understand the psychology of politics and they are not swayed by the negativie tactics as easily as the average voter. Repubs are shaking in their boots at the thought of a Clinton/Obama ticket.
Too difficult to read with missing punctuation and misspelled words.

trooper
06-01-2008, 04:31 PM
I read an article on the web that some big wigs in the DNC and Obama got together and mapped out a plan to defeat Hillary by winning the caucus states. Just look at all the BIG Clinton backers that turned on her. I blame the leaders of the DNC for this and the news media jumped right on the band wagon. They kept all of the negative stuff about Obama hidden so he would get far enough ahead in the delegate count. I believe if all that is known now was known then, Hillary would be a shoo in.

NYVIN4HILL08
06-01-2008, 04:32 PM
BO is not getting the nomination

Hillarysmygirl08
06-01-2008, 04:45 PM
not by this Clinton supporter I have already signed up as a McCain supporter I am doing that in case one of the MSM care to notice if we are serious or not

suerw
06-01-2008, 04:56 PM
I read an article on the web that some big wigs in the DNC and Obama got together and mapped out a plan to defeat Hillary by winning the caucus states. Just look at all the BIG Clinton backers that turned on her. I blame the leaders of the DNC for this and the news media jumped right on the band wagon. They kept all of the negative stuff about Obama hidden so he would get far enough ahead in the delegate count. I believe if all that is known now was known then, Hillary would be a shoo in.

I like your analysis, Trooper. I don't think that this is a Republican plot. I think it is a decision by the DNC and other Democratic Party leaders to assert power and marginalize Clinton and her supporters.

Hillarysmygirl08
06-01-2008, 05:40 PM
I think the MSM is doing this because they want the A.As to watch their programs so they are just throwing away women this is expecially true for CNN and MSNBC and well that is ridiculas because do they think that black women are going to like seeing females bashed on their networks. The A.As are not watching MSNBC anyway they watch CNN which I have no idea why because I think they are the most racist of the networks I do not care they make a big deal out of race and yes I think that is not a good idea for this Country so I must pass on the MSM its Fox for me all the way

latino4hillary
06-01-2008, 09:57 PM
Hey it is no surprise that Republicans run the media. Remember the only two term Democratic President in the last 45 years has been Bill Cliinton. We forget don't we!!

That is why Obama is doing a major disservice to the party right now. The moron section of the democratic party thinks Obama can actually win. The Republicans are the kings of the jungle and in order to beat them you need a real fighter--Hillary, not some slim shady con artist Obama who says one thing then his chief advisors are saying something totally different.

Republicans run FOX. msnbc and cnn are liberals.

suerw
06-01-2008, 10:32 PM
Republicans run FOX. msnbc and cnn are liberals.

I've always perceived a liberal bias at MSNBC and CNN.

keys_11
06-02-2008, 10:40 AM
This is just a fare out theory but dose any one think that the DNC and democratic Hillary haters and MSM are tossing BO under the bus because they want him to win the nomination knowing he cant win against McCain and Hillary can. That way they will have 4 years of McCain to come up with a way to stop Hillary when she makes her next run in 2012.

SantaCruzen
06-02-2008, 05:28 PM
Three Left Turns make a Right.

The Far Left and the Far Right are Fascist Cousins.

Clinton4Life
06-04-2008, 12:12 PM
But wait, if we all vote for McCain where does that leave us?

memphis
06-04-2008, 12:18 PM
The Republicans may have a hand in this, but the DEMS have done enough on their own to bring us all down.
Considering what the DEMS and DNC have done, I am actually pulling for John McCain.

thebword
06-04-2008, 12:58 PM
But wait, if we all vote for McCain where does that leave us?

With a President who is Experienced, HAS (& can prove it) crossed party lines for what he thinks is right, a proud American (we don't have to question this), and 4 years until Sen. Clinton runs again.

samurai
06-04-2008, 02:34 PM
I have heard someone on tv say that the nomination will be on MLK's anniversary, my guess is if they mean August when the Convention ends with the official nomination, do you think it is a coincidence that Obama got all that support from Superdelegates? This was a backroom deal from the beginning!

Bad Kitty
06-04-2008, 02:46 PM
The Republicans may have a hand in this, but the DEMS have done enough on their own to bring us all down.


You are so right.

suerw
06-04-2008, 04:38 PM
I have heard someone on tv say that the nomination will be on MLK's anniversary, my guess is if they mean August when the Convention ends with the official nomination, do you think it is a coincidence that Obama got all that support from Superdelegates? This was a backroom deal from the beginning!

Of course it was. I didn't see that at first, but it became obvious.

NYVIN4HILL08
06-04-2008, 05:31 PM
They probably are but in my opinoin they are doing the country a service by trying to keep obbammer from turning our country over to our enemies. The ones who have caused a disservice is the dnc, howard dean,nancy pelosi, obbammer, and his koolaide drinking friends by attacking a lifelong democrat and trying to impose a racist marxist terrorist on us.

Clinton4Life
06-05-2008, 03:38 PM
With a President who is Experienced, HAS (& can prove it) crossed party lines for what he thinks is right, a proud American (we don't have to question this), and 4 years until Sen. Clinton runs again.

So are people backing McCain because they think he's qualified or are they only backing him until the next election. I find all this back and forth confusing.

Eridon
06-05-2008, 07:03 PM
But wait, if we all vote for McCain where does that leave us?

Just because the DNC is bad doesn't mean McCain is good. They're BOTH bad.

Now what?

Eridon
06-05-2008, 07:07 PM
I read an article on the web that some big wigs in the DNC and Obama got together and mapped out a plan to defeat Hillary by winning the caucus states. Just look at all the BIG Clinton backers that turned on her. I blame the leaders of the DNC for this and the news media jumped right on the band wagon. They kept all of the negative stuff about Obama hidden so he would get far enough ahead in the delegate count. I believe if all that is known now was known then, Hillary would be a shoo in.

The supers jumped in when the sh*t was hitting the fan about BO. Supers like Edwards and Kennedy chose THIS for timing. Hillary was also sweeping up votes at the time, so they jumped to BO to rescue him. This was when there was no more doubt that this was rigged from the start.

Eridon
06-05-2008, 07:11 PM
You are so right.

It was the Republicans who moved up the date of the primary in Florida and Michigan. But it was the DNC that already had a rule in place to be broken; and the concept of "supers" with the power to over-ride voters for any reason they chose.

mjoynaples
06-05-2008, 07:14 PM
so the question is not "did the Republicans have something to do with this, rather it is KNOWING THEY DID HOW COME THE DNC AND DEMS CHOOSE A WEAK PATHETIC unamerican unpatriotic candiate for a possible (NOT!) presidnential nominee???

I think they must not really want the WHITE HOUSE anymore because after this election where they could have made history with first Female President, clean, non-sexist campaign run, encouraging all people to strive for their dreams and be their BEST because the BEST is what we need in America for our PRESIDENT not mediocre, vague,platitudes... and now all of us are going to do everything we can (I sure hope anyway) to be sure the elected officials who were bought for their vote pays by losing their incumbant seat soon... along with BO being found guilty of crimes and misdemeanors and is arrested on the way into the DEM convention just as HILLARY IS ABOUT TO ACCEPT THE NOMINATION because he was not there and voted "present!"

BooskerD
06-07-2008, 07:21 PM
I don't think the republicans did this. The DNC did this. They sicken me.

sakonhagakure
06-27-2008, 02:28 PM
Hey it is no surprise that Republicans run the media.
That is why Obama is doing a major disservice to the party right now.

Republicans run the media??? What?? This statement right here really has me scratching my head. What media does the republican party run? The Tv media? Most major TV news outlets favor democrats. The print media? Besides Newsmax, The Weekly Standard and the Wall Street Journal the print media favors democrats. Radio? Well republicans do have a foothold on talk radio on the EIB network but NBC, CBS, ABC, and NPR still tend to lean liberal. Internet blogs?? Who knows.

But yeah the main reason why Hillary isn't your nominee is because your party cannot act like real adults and instituted some insanely stupid superdelegate system in order to get Walter Mondale the nomination back in 1982. If you guys used the more reasonable, simpler approach the republicans use (like winner take all states) HRC would've been the nominee shortly after Super Tuesday and all this crying and bitching wouldn't be going on right now.