Hillary Should Steer Clear of Obama as VP

[JOY TO THE WORLD]

I don’t think Obama should be Hillary’s running mate as vice president. I have read several blogs of late suggesting and even those insisting that should Hillary win the Democrat nomination that she should choose Obama for her running mate. If anything, Hillary should avoid this whole idea and look to someone proven to be trustworthy and will have her back. Obama is not worthy to be vice president. As I continue to watch news reports about Obama’s campaign, it is no secret, that neither he nor his wife Michelle has any respect for the Clintons. As matter of fact, I sense that Obama and Michelle disdain the entire Clinton family [yes, sweet Chelsea, too].

Just within the past week, Obama and his advisors have been caught lying about dabbling into international affairs. This just reveals the callous nature of someone who peddles a message of “change and hope” to his mesmerized supporters, yet, he has not been able to convince the Democratic base of his rhetoric. When Obama speaks of being able to “unify” and work across “party-lines” that also is a lie. The only change, hope and unification Obama is about is that of fulfilling his mission of destroying the Democratic party within. He has already divided the party [academicians, middle working class, poor, latinos, black, anti-war and young voters]. He is a dangerous man and trouble always follows him wherever he goes. There is a scripture in the Bible that says, “you will know them by the fruit that they bear,” well, Obama’s fruit is bruise and rotten.

Obama is arrogant, a sexist, an undercover racist, arrogant and ambitious [nothing wrong with ambition as along as it isn’t about destroying someone’s life or profession]. The facts of his desire for power began in Illinois and the very people who helped him navigate to where he is today have been pushed to the side. Remember Ms. Palmer? And the candidates that were on the Illinois slate who he systematically had removed based on some “legal” rules that favored Obama being the only one deemed qualified to be elected to the Illinois State Senate. More about the true Obama can be found at this website www.blackagendareport.com. Remember, Senator Barack H. Obama cannot be trusted!!

Obama must have been promised the Democratic nomination from the likes of Kerry and Kennedy and the DNC leadership. Kennedy and Kerry are losers, so they decided to bring in someone who has no sense of loyalty to the Clintons, like themselves—they saw and recognized that Obama has a taste for power and will do anything to get it. So, here he is, Barack H. Obama, the protégé of the dark side of Democratic politics. They thought Obama didn’t have any baggage like Hillary, so they thought. Thank God for Chicago investigative news reporters!! They are what I call authentic and tough reporters, not the least like the cable brigade of Matthews, Russert, Blitzer and Olbermann, all of whom are dedicated to destroying Hillary and Pres. Clinton.

Now, as for Howard Dean, it is evident that he isn’t nor is his brother a supporter of Senator Hillary R. Clinton. Professor Dean represents a new breed in the DNC who are imperialists and have refused to compromise or adhere to rules. Florida and Michigan are being denied their votes and their delegates, all to keep Obama happy—this is the ultimate betrayal for registered Democrats. Obama, Dean, Daschle, Hart, Kerry, Kennedy, Donna Brazille and the DNC all have conspired it appears to pushed B.H.O. down the throats of their base.

The MSM is now reporting that there just might be a Hillary and Obama and/or Obama and Hillary dream team but it must be stopped. We need to keep what is happening to Hillary right in the front of our eyes. Obama is manipulative and doesn’t care how he wins—and that’s a fact. If Hillary is about bringing about a new direction in America from the Bush/Cheney years, then she should look to find a vice president that will not sabotage her or the American people. Obama is all about his own self-righteousness and greed for power.

As far as I am concerned, a dream ticket with Obama on it is a disaster waiting to happen. If Hillary is pushed to put Obama on her ticket as a running mate, I guess I will have to just sit this general election out.

Hillary R. Clinton for President in 08:):):):) All the way with Hillary!!

[CGP]

JTW - I have placed your well presented account in a separate thread!

Welcome to the forum!

[Laura Cereta]

I couldn't agree more with your post. BO is not qualified to be President and therefore, is not qualified to be VP, plain and simple.

I have also been doing some research and you are right on about his arrogance and blind ambition. For anyone not familiar with this side, check out:
http://www.houstonpress.com/2008-02-28/news/barack-obama-screamed-at-me/1 (http://www.houstonpress.com/2008-02-28/news/barack-obama-screamed-at-me/1)

Concerning "rules are rules" Howard Dean... don't even get me started! I'm not happy (to put it mildly) that his new 48 state strategy has left me voiceless, and I will not rest until this is rectified.

[Peppermint Patty]

What a great post. I totally agree and apparently so does the haughty Obama. Like I said in another post, when Hillary is the nominee, Obama can do us all a favor and reject the VP slot. He does NOT have her back, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if he found various ways to stick a "knife" in it. Terrible choice for Pres or VP.

From AP today:

Many political activists discounted the notion all along. They noted that the two senators lack a warm relationship and, more important, that Obama would be ill-served by hinting he might accept the vice presidential slot when he holds the lead in delegates and hopes to win the presidential nomination.

Moreover, many insiders feel the ambitious and fast-rising Obama would chafe in the vice president's job, especially in a White House where Bill Clinton would almost surely play a huge advisory role.

[Lodi]

...that Obama is not a good choice in and of himself, but can Hillary win if Obama supporters don't vote for her? I won't be voting for Obamination if Hill isn't on the ticket. So, six of one, half dozen of the other.

Or did I inadvertently miss the answer to the sour-grapes dilemma?:confused:

[SD]

i may be in denial :p but i like to believe that hillary's saying she is willing to have ob as vp, she was just being politically savy. it made her appear unifying, and ob's rejection made him look like a 2 year old screaming he "will take his toys and go home". :D

i would vote for a hillarty/ob vp but i wouldn't like it.

[memphis]

I agree. Obama would not be a good pick for vice-president.

I watched the debate just after his Hillary snub.
He had the audacity to pull the chair out for her and then to 'hug' her.
Under normal circumstances that is gentlemanly but not in this instance.
She was on equal ground with him and he was trying to show his dominance.
It was really a sexist trick.

[jackkashinsky]

I completely agree.
When Hillary wins, the blacks, who really like her, will quickly swing in line. The left wing loonies will once more hold their noses and vote for the Dem. Candidate. There is little except a ton of baggage that the smoke and mirrors one could bring to the campaign.

Richardson would be a good choice because of his influence with the Hispanic vote. The Governors of a OH and PA would also be good choices because they govern in two vital "battleground States".

Jack Kashinsky,
Coordinator, "Give 'em Hill in '08"
"In the end we will not remember the words of our enemies but we will never forget the silence of our friends.'...mlk

[LMLavender]

i may be in denial :p but i like to believe that hillary's saying she is willing to have ob as vp, she was just being politically savy. it made her appear unifying, and ob's rejection made him look like a 2 year old screaming he "will take his toys and go home". :D

i would vote for a hillarty/ob vp but i wouldn't like it.

That was my first thought as well.............and if its true very SMART move !!!

[Patsy]

i may be in denial :p but i like to believe that hillary's saying she is willing to have ob as vp, she was just being politically savy. it made her appear unifying, and ob's rejection made him look like a 2 year old screaming he "will take his toys and go home". :D

i would vote for a hillarty/ob vp but i wouldn't like it.

This was a great move on her part because it brings out his colors and she is trying to unite the Party. I don't think she'll do it though. Kind of like his NAFTA issue, just "campaign rhetoric." Let's hope.

[joeysky18]

This was a great move on her part because it brings out his colors and she is trying to unite the Party. I don't think she'll do it though. Kind of like his NAFTA issue, just "campaign rhetoric." Let's hope.

I think she's counting on the chance that Obama will say no. She's bluffing in poker. but Obama didn't call Hillary's bluff. he already mock the offer and decline the VP slot.

[CGP]

i may be in denial :p but i like to believe that hillary's saying she is willing to have ob as vp, she was just being politically savy. it made her appear unifying, and ob's rejection made him look like a 2 year old screaming he "will take his toys and go home"

My thoughts too...

[Brooke]

I don't want to see BO as VP at all. And I wish Bill would keep his mouth shut sometimes, he tends to get himself into trouble.:(

[Viktoriya]

Obama shows his arrogance and inexperience in politics to reject the idea al together. He could simply say ” may be, not in this point of election”. Voters can see that he is al about himself. He is not uniter and defiantly not looking at the big picture in November (Many Hillary supporters won’t vote for him). I think Hillary done well.

[LetsHelpAmerica]

There are lots of good choices out there for Hillary's VP....
and Obama is NOT one of them. I'm afraid the DNC might
try to insist on this if Hillary wins the nomination. Of course
there would be no such pressure put on Obama if he wins the
nomination. The old double standard.
What I want to see is this:
Pennsyvania behind Hillary in double digits over Obama! This sends
a very clear message that states representing the democratic base,
such as New York, California, Ohio, Pennsylvania , Florida ( ? re-vote ) ,
will go with Hillary.

[blueskygal]

I'm sorry folks, but Bill and Hillary pushing this looks like old time power politics and has deeply disappointed me. They seem to "self-destruct" everytime they get in a heavily black state. Blacks will see this as an attempt by the white person to degrade the status of a black person. I mean, how racially insensitive can you get?

Secondly, HRC putting this forth TOTALLY UNDERMINES her argument that he is not qualified to be president if she feels confident putting him in as vp. i don't know who cooked up this stupid idea, but they deserve to get creamed tomorrow for this blunder.

there is NO WAY i will vote for BO in the general if he gets it. he is NOT QUALIFIED PERIOD. I am very upset at this moment with our gal. Perhaps it's battle fatigue - but why don't you just gut yourself? arrrrrrghhhh!:eek:

[LetsHelpAmerica]

I agree that Hillary must have had a very good reason to make hints about obama as vp. But I was listening to the news channels today and it is hurting her more than it is helping. Obama and the press are saying that she is talking out of both sides of her mouth. On the one hand shes says that he is not ready to be president, but on the other side she is saying that she would have him as her vp. Some of the mediaters were even laughing, saying this proves she don't have what it takes. I am for Hillary 110%. I know she is the only one for the presidency. But she needs to head this off before it gets to full steam, and maybe costs her votes in Penn. Did any one else watch fox news today and see what I am talking about. The only thing that slowed them down a little today, is because of the scandel with N.Y. Gov.Spitzer or how ever you spell it. What do you think? I am not saying this to be negative. I know the press and I am worried for her.

First of all, I think she was just trying to be nice about answering such a question and not really all that serious. The media will take anything and twist it around.

[lanney]

This is nice move by Sen Hillary
1) She is defining Who is BHO ? She had positioned him as Second level
2) On Sunday she was not on campaign trail, need news coverage for weekend and morning news, which she was able to get.
3) Hoping for BHO will reject, she know she will win big in PA and her popular vote count will surpass BHO. She will be nominee without BHO. Wonderful.

She is will be nominee, she had exposed empty suit BHO very well.

[blueskygal]

lanney, didn't think of it this way but i don't think it's playing out that way. people aren't seeing that. i don't see why she would want BO, he'd be after her job from day one!

[joeysky18]

I think it is a long term calculated moved by Hillary. This is my reason.

There are many blog discussion going on regarding Obama refused the VP ticket. Many Obama supporters took the cue from him and found the offer disgusting. But I see it differently.

The democrat party is now split in 50/50. No matter what Obama supporters want to believe, Hillary got 50% of the popular vote. The Democrat party need to unit and come up with the winning ticket for general election. And the unity ticket is the most clear way to achieve that. We could all agree that this is the ticket that GOP most fear.

Hillary has done her part to unit the party. She recognized that Obama also has 50% support from Democrat voter and deserves to be on the final ticket. Obama did not do his part. If he truly believes that he deserves the top ticket and have the party interest at heart, he could have counter offer the VP ticket.

Instead of touting and mocking Hillary offer, he could have said that "I truly hope that Sen. Clinton would also accept the VP ticket that I will offer". He apparently doesn't have the interest of the Democrat party in mind. He just rejected one of the two possibilities to create the unstoppable ticket for Democrat party.

And if he did offer her the VP ticket later, I don't think it will be easy for her to accept it given his mocking response. And I don't think Hillary's supporters appreciate Obama ridiculed the VP offer. Instead of trying to unit the party, he just drove it further apart. No matter what Obama likes it or not, Hillary has half of the Democrat voters who strongly support her during his 12 straight win. He needs to recognize their decision and earns their votes to win the general election. To assume that those voters would just simple switch to support him is far from reality.

[lanney]

Clintons had done lot of work for Africa and African American community, they had long record, but now African Americans had just ignoring them or I can say they are treating them like a fly in a cup of tea, they had just thrown Hillary from cup of tea like a non-entity. They are following this new guy who just has same skin color with no record or contribution to African American community. He is happy to be labeled as Latte guy or upscale favorite. Even when he went to Kenya, he was working for his uncle Odinga and criticized ruling government.
At the end, speeches will not fill stomach or provide education or healthcare. BHO had no record.
Hillary had proven record and long service.
It is mind boggling how people get fooled by this guy who just knows how to deliver speeches.
If they pick BHO and turns out to be worst then Bush, I will only say, they deserve it.
I will never vote him, If Hillary is not on ticket I will vote for McCain.

[freespirit]

I agree lanney. It really makes me angry that the black community is so willing to turn it's back on Hillary, who has a long record of civil rights activism, to support BO who hasn't done a damn thing for them or anyone else as far as I can tell. He helped Rezko get money to pay for the slums he rented out to African Americans. Didn't seem to be too interested in them then. I think he is using blacks and exploiting them, and many of them are evidently so eager to have a black man as prez that they will vote for him regardless of what he has or has not done. That's as irresponsible as the kool ade drinkers who think BO's some kind of god. Both groups are equally misguided.

As for VP,given the way his people have acted throughout this election process, with strong arm tactics, threatening super-delegates, taking over the polling sites and locking out clinton voters and on and on - Hillary needs to watch her back if he is the vice prez. I'm sure when the prospect of his being VP was raised, it was expected that he would respond like a normal person and say something appropriate - not pitch a little hissy fit and make such a big deal of it. It really made him look small and desperate. He could have made a congenial joke about wanting to be on the top of the ticket, but he lacks the imagination for that, and evidently the people who program him were on break or something.

[lanney]

BHO's three advisers are from Tom Daschle team, and he lost election. :)
So i am not that worried. I am not sure BHO can go for long fight.
HC and BC are strong and experienced politicans, they are here for win. :)
Don't forget BC was only twice elected Democrat President.
All losers had joined hand. Group of losser can never win.
Kerry, Gore lost winnable election. In remote case if BHO gets ticket, we are looking for hat-trick.

[Percy]

I'm sorry folks, but Bill and Hillary pushing this looks like old time power politics and has deeply disappointed me. They seem to "self-destruct" everytime they get in a heavily black state. Blacks will see this as an attempt by the white person to degrade the status of a black person. I mean, how racially insensitive can you get?

Secondly, HRC putting this forth TOTALLY UNDERMINES her argument that he is not qualified to be president if she feels confident putting him in as vp. i don't know who cooked up this stupid idea, but they deserve to get creamed tomorrow for this blunder.

there is NO WAY i will vote for BO in the general if he gets it. he is NOT QUALIFIED PERIOD. I am very upset at this moment with our gal. Perhaps it's battle fatigue - but why don't you just gut yourself? arrrrrrghhhh!:eek:

:mad:

I agree unfortunately. I am so very disappointed right now in our gal! VERY upset. Even if it is a political move, it still upsets me. I did listen to what she said ... and never said that she wants him as VP... she did say, maybe that would happen someday....

Either way, I am upset with her. The media (Fox at least) and SNL (thank goodness) is really starting to show the real Obama! And the 3 AM ad was doing great... this just seems to shoot herself in the foot!

And sadly ..... If Obama is on the ticket with Hillary.... then I am voting for McCain. Under no circumstances am I casting a vote with Obama on the ticket.

I HOPE this blows over ... yet I really think this one hurts! It shows that she thinks he is a good VP... therefore he must be good for the Oval Office.

PLEASE someone help me get over this and see the bright side!

PLEASE ..... needing help here! Tell me how it is going to be ok..... without lying to me!

Thanks

[Dendy]

Why is OB acting today like he actually got invited for a VP? He shouldn’t flatter himself… Hillary and Bill were just merely making an observation of a hypothetical question that people were always asking?

[Dendy]

Everyone should calm down.
She never asked anybody she was just making an observation.
Besides she’s probably going to get pressed on taking him as a VP so she has to talk about it in public. This way the emotions over it are visible and the “dream” is shattered.
I do not think for a second that Hillary is super serious about this.

[blueskygal]

Being new to this forum, i am glad i am not alone in seeing BO for the fake that he is. I just read the article included above and thanked the reporter for doing his job! i thought his observation that BO needs a new job every 3 years was great. i was stunned by BO's haughty answer about not holding committee meetings a real eye opener - that and the "gee guys, i just answered 3 questions." i think he and his wife hide alot of arrogance. it is arrogant to think you can be President after the lightweight experience he had. i'm thinking more and more they will open to MI and FL as superdelegates will then be off the hook. i think that is the fairest way. i cannot believe how bone-headed this country can be in electing presidents. i mean bush, twice??! and agree about afro-american community dumping hillary. it must hurt - all the people who have abandoned her for a not-qualified newcomer.

[emmyCA]

Being new to this forum, i am glad i am not alone in seeing BO for the fake that he is. I just read the article included above and thanked the reporter for doing his job! i thought his observation that BO needs a new job every 3 years was great. i was stunned by BO's haughty answer about not holding committee meetings a real eye opener - that and the "gee guys, i just answered 3 questions." i think he and his wife hide alot of arrogance. it is arrogant to think you can be President after the lightweight experience he had. i'm thinking more and more they will open to MI and FL as superdelegates will then be off the hook. i think that is the fairest way. i cannot believe how bone-headed this country can be in electing presidents. i mean bush, twice??! and agree about afro-american community dumping hillary. it must hurt - all the people who have abandoned her for a not-qualified newcomer.


For sue, they will become buyers regret

[Robin Orlowski]

It does make me feel a little better knowing that it's based on political savvy--as most of these things actually are.

I'm doubting that Hillary is serious about this either. I can't shake the suspicion that in the end she would get pressed into accepting him as a VP nominiee.

And again, I'm sensing that he doesn't recognize this. He thinks that he's all 'cool'. But he's so wrapped up in himself and his self-aggrandizement that he's overestimated how cool the world thinks he really is.

Because he can't coherently debate in spite of an Ivy League education. And that is a BIG drawback. How will he successfully perform against whoever the GOP nominiates--to say nothing of other countries? They will want him getting immediately to the point.

It's going to be a bumpy landing!

[G4Hillary]

Obama is a liability no matter how you dice this. He doesn't belong on the ticket or even in the US Senate.

[lanney]

I don't think BHO will go for VP. No chance of him getting elected as President after 8 years of Democrat as President, Majority in Senate and Congress. It is natural people will look for change.
If he really dreaming about as President he can wait for 8 or 16 years, by then he will have experience and during this period if he stays clean.
So HRC ticket will be HRC and someone from North America states/Central America.

She can easily carry TN, OK, AR, they are key states.
Gore lost because he was unable to carry his own state TN.
Only Clinton and Carter were able to carry these states.
For BHO, TN, OK, AR is impossible, even CA will be toss-up, where McCain is more acceptable to Latino then BHO.
BHO loss will be biggest in History mark my word. Even in North state Independent and Republican voted for BHO just to make sure Hillary defeat.

But loser gang had popped up imaginary Idol and they are trying level best to deny HRC ticket. These loser men are unable to get elected but can't stand woman win.

[blueskygal]

After getting upset about recent events i had an insight. all the sexism is coming to the surface in this race. it's like lancing a boil. there is no liberty without paying a price. just like the blacks were sprayed with water, beaten, lynched, threatened, the same thing, in a different way is happening in the press. The white male establishment is very threatened by Hillary's strengths, because their very jobs are on the line. if you look at most of the commentators - they are WHITE MALES with a few mostly white (male-identified) females. It's like Anita Hill all over again - but with a different cast and crew. I felt better after realiziing this that all freedom has a price and the powers that be don't give up easily. Think Ghandi.

[Sherry]

I totallly agree with you. Let the chips fall where they may. Those men are nothing but empty suits. All things in time. I can see a day in the future when his double dealing comes to the light and he not only has to resign in this race....but his senate seat too.

Keep on the positive side of life.

Go Hillary!!!!!!

[CGP]

It's becoming more and more evident that Hillary must "steer clear" of Obama as a VP possibility.

[Dendy]

…it looks like people have spoken.
Highlights From The Early Exit Polls: Via AP:
An exit poll finds Barack Obama voters are a bit more charitable toward Hillary Rodham Clinton than vice versa in Mississippi's Democratic primary.

The survey Tuesday for The Associated Press and television networks found that six in 10 Obama voters said he should pick Clinton for vice president if he wins the nomination. Four in 10 Clinton voters said she should pick Obama as her running mate if she wins.

Obama voters also were more likely to be satisfied if Clinton wins the nomination than vice versa.

The surveys were conducted in 35 voting places across Mississipippi.

[Folkwolf101]

Clintons had done lot of work for Africa and African American community, they had long record, but now African Americans had just ignoring them or I can say they are treating them like a fly in a cup of tea, they had just thrown Hillary from cup of tea like a non-entity.

I so agree, and have been saying this for a while myself. After all the sincere work that the Clintons have done for the AA community, overnight not only do AAs begin supporting Obama, racistly based only on the color of his skin, but they go further with the betrayal by labeling Bill and Hillary as racists. And for what, because Hillary said MLK needed a president to help realize his dreams and Bill said Obama's opposition to the war was a fairy tale. Thank goodness, there are AAs who are supporting Hillary and who know all about Lyndon Johnson's efforts during the civil rights era. :D

[nette60]

I am a loyal supporter for Hillary and saw through Obamas race baiting tactics when he started them in S carolina....Anyone following this whole election cycle knows..especially AA..The Clintons have shown more consideration toward the AA community than any elected officials in modern history. I am totally disgusted in my own race....Not only that Obama has been race baiting to his advantage. he didn't care about his own people in Chicago...take alook at his senate district..all slums...bad schools etc.....Is this what we want for America?

[HillaryProblemSolver]

Wanted: President and Vice President
Requirements: Must Love America

Obama is unqualified for both available positions.


"This nomination is worth fighting for and I’m going to fight for it.” Hillary Rodham Clinton - campaigning in Oregon, April 2008.

[Michael White]

I think HRC should offer the presumtive nominee the VP. Cuz he's not gonna win squat with out her, without US.

[aliceinwebland]

Hillary should not accept a VP position. That is just like us women who have worked hard, been competent and beyond, then some young man comes along and is promoted ahead of us. Then we have to teach him his job. :eek: No way Hillary. We need to challenge his presumptive candidate status at the convention.

PUMA

[jena_75187]

I totally agree. However, Hillary is a die hard Democrat so she feels a great dedication to the party therefore she is going to put a smile on her face and do whatever they ask her to do. I watched the Unity effort on Friday and it nearly made me gag. If I had any doubt about Obama's sincerity...all doubt has been removed. The man is an opportunist and he will do and say anything to get elected. They put up a good front in hiding their true feelings. But they do not like one another. They would not work well together. I personally think it would be demeaning for her to be Vice-president even if offered. She would have to be more like his secretary. She should be our President. She was shafted by the media and the democrats in the senate who she thought were her friends. I could see a sadness on her face even as she tried to smile and be cheerful. I will be so disappointed if she is offered the Vice-Presidency. He will only offer it as a desperate move if it looks like he's not beating Mccain.
I'm not sure if I can vote for the Obama ticket even if Hillary is on it. I detest Obama soooooo much. But I love Hillary and Bill and I would be so torn if I had to make that decision. What a mess!

[Bad Kitty]

Wanted: President and Vice President
Requirements: Must Love America

Obama is unqualified for both available positions.


"This nomination is worth fighting for and I’m going to fight for it.” Hillary Rodham Clinton - campaigning in Oregon, April 2008.

Howdy and Welcome Jena! :) This says it all for me.

[Robin Orlowski]

Yes. She is so much more intelligent and talented than he is. It sickens me having to see her play second fiddle.

Even if she is technically still on the national news, I know she is NOT getting the substantive coverage which she has rightfully earned through hard work.

I cannot stand his smug face!! He has that 'I love America because I don't have to think about anything I say or do' look.' He knows he can get away with anything.

And the irony is that in 84, people were making SUCH a big deal about Ferraro only being a VP nomination. Would she be 'strong' enough to 'push' the button if need be? Could she handle 'serious' coverage?

Okay yes, thing have changed in the world since then, but now everybody knows if the press is running puff pieces on BO's favirote tv shows...etc, we're certainly not going to get attention to his so-called abilities (hah!) to handle policy issues.

[PunjabSherman]

"Obama is unqualified for both available positions."

"It sickens me having to see her play second fiddle. "

"I love Hillary and Bill and I would be so torn if I had to make that decision. What a mess!"


Agree with all three sentiments above.

Consider this: Hillary is not likely to divide the party by going independent, or even a quasi-Lieberman mode of isolation, (since that would disrupt careers of tens of thousands of local politicians who back her - councilmen to Governors - with time running out). We are also not likely to see her go to 3rd party, this late.

As a politician, gambling on future 2012, is far riskier than taking a VP spot now.

Could Hillary be the best benevolent V.P. what Cheney was expected but turned out notoriously the opposite of? Is n't BO more likely to get better advise than B43 ever did? Could it be that Hillary is exactly what makes the ticket winnable, and hencegives her more edge than the sort of 2-for-1 deal -- ok 1 1/2 for 1 (the half being him, lol) deal -- that the Clintons always represented?

Is it just possible, she will turn a O/C ticket into a true Co-Presidency as only Hillary can do, with charm and persuasion?

Well, may be I am just getting carried away, but let me tell you 2016 is a long way away. Boy, is this confusing!

[1950democrat]

As a politician, gambling on future 2012, is far riskier than taking a VP spot now.
....
Is it just possible, she will turn a O/C ticket into a true Co-Presidency as only Hillary can do, with charm and persuasion?

Well, may be I am just getting carried away, but let me tell you 2016 is a long way away. Boy, is this confusing!


But VP is not a step up from where she is. In the Senate (especially if they offered her Maj Leader as a consolation prize) she is independent and powerful. If Obama loses she is definitely in line for POTUS in 2012.

If he wins, then yes, 2016 may be too far: she'd be 68, and Bill will need heart surgery around 2020. So better she should not help him win by being his VP!

VP is only as powerful as the Pres wants, from moment to moment. Obama does not like her and would treat her badly. It would just be a way to keep her out of action, or make her support his policies instead of her own!

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/hillarynovp/