View Full Version : MEDIA BIAS AGAIN: Attacking HRC for Stating Facts! (anything to draw attention away from Obama LOSING WV & KY, & LOSING in swing state polls, & having to COUNT the votes in FL!)
I_Love_Hillary
05-23-2008, 06:20 PM
Hillary Clinton at Argus Leader editorial board interview, May 23, 2008
GO TO YOUTUBE AND MAKE COMMENTS IF YOU WANT TO. THE OBAMA PEOPLE ARE OUT ON THE RAMPAGE
YouTube - What Does RFK's Assassination Have to Do with It?
Patricia GA
05-23-2008, 06:31 PM
Once again the media takes something said that is historical and tries to use it to attack Hillary. It will not work.
Talves1950
05-23-2008, 06:32 PM
This is going to be crazy it has already been all over Politico.com. All she was doing it saying that historically some campaigns have lasted into June so why have they been asking her to drop out since January. Be strong we can fight this one, too.
Viktoriya
05-23-2008, 06:33 PM
She just stated the facts. All men before were staying in the race till June and longer.
NSTYLE77
05-23-2008, 06:34 PM
I am sick of the bullying that Hillary and her supporters have been receiving.
I just listened to the transcript and she was only referring to the fact the RFK was STILL fighting for the nomination in June.
I feel outraged and sad!
Peppermint Patty
05-23-2008, 06:35 PM
OMG they will READ ANYTHING INTO THE SLIGHTEST COMMENT! I do NOT see anything wrong with what she said.
She's just pointing out that both MEN were campaigning in the PRIMARIES into JUNE!
What IS THEIR PROBLEM!!!???? :mad:
Oh, right. Hillary IS A WOMAN!!! :rolleyes: :mad::mad:
Sandy in PA
05-23-2008, 06:39 PM
She was just using the fact the he was assassinated in June as a point of reference to say that he was still in the primary race in June.
Patricia GA
05-23-2008, 06:43 PM
I have decided to ignore this spin. So I have edited my comment out to react and am not going to engage in their games.
I_Love_Hillary
05-23-2008, 06:44 PM
LIKE SHE WOULD ACTUALLY ATTACK THE KENNEDYS WHEN TED IS SICK AND SHE IS TRYING TO WIN AN ELECTION! HILLARY IS NOT THAT DUMB! WHY DOES THE MEDIA KEEP TRYING TO MAKE HER OUT TO BE STUPID?!:mad:
teachgrd3
05-23-2008, 06:45 PM
I saw this on Wolf Blitzer and it was clear that her topic was primary campaigns that extend into June. No doubt about it. She referenced Bill's 92 campaign before mentioning RFK. She referenced a memory entrenched in the minds of all of us of a certain age.
I'm sick of Obama and his campaign flying off the handle and taking offense at innocent things. Is this an example of how they would treat foreign heads of state and spokespersons? Getting bent out of shape all the time?
Even worse.... Jennifer Palmieri telling Wolf Blitzer that this comment today will probably keep Hillary off the ticket as VP. Newsflash for Jennifer: Hillary won't be on the ticket as VP, because she will be on the ticket as the nominee for President!
SadStateOfAffairs
05-23-2008, 06:46 PM
It's a full frontal media attack. I'm going to ignore completely.
Tea toaD
05-23-2008, 06:52 PM
It doesn't matter what she says. It's always twisted and then she's thrown to the media dogs for punits to have a field day:mad: For her sake, I will be glad when the convention gets here:( I honestly don't know how she keeps her sanity:confused: It's so very disheartening to live in a country that has such idiots on display:mad:
kyforhillary
05-23-2008, 06:52 PM
I understood exactly what she was saying as she was saying it.
RachachaSharon
05-23-2008, 06:53 PM
This is just plain stupid. Bobby Kennedy was assassinated while campaigning in CA in June - DUH . . . still campaigning . . . in June. It's May 23, 2008, and they've been after her for 2 months to drop out and past campaigns went into June and sometimes beyond. What's not to understand? DID THEY SAY THE SMART PEOPLE ARE BO'S SUPPORTERS? Can't prove it by me.
mjno7777
05-23-2008, 06:54 PM
Let's set the story straight in PR...remember lots of delegates at stake. Register and comment NOW.
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/puerto-rico
SadStateOfAffairs
05-23-2008, 06:56 PM
Frankly, in Hillary's defense, her closest friends and allies are recieving death threats so it probably is weighing very heavy on her mind.
lanney
05-23-2008, 06:57 PM
BO worshippers are Dump,
Eddie3dfx
05-23-2008, 06:59 PM
Wolf is on Cnn talking about it.
This is stupid
Sandy in PA
05-23-2008, 07:00 PM
This wouldn't even be an issue if the Obama campaign hadn't immediately issued a statement on it so they could stir the pot.
ssmith
05-23-2008, 07:01 PM
she;s apologized ...move on....
WILL THE MEDIA cover the fraud statement concerning BO's view of Isreal in foreign policy:
THE FRAUD: "Israel INFECTS US FOREIGN POLICY"
my jewish friend's grandma was freaked out! reminded her of the holocast..
WHY NOT COVER THIS?
I WILL NEVER EVER EVER VOTE FOR THIS ARROGANT EMPTY-SUIT...
I HOPE THE GOPs rip into him! and soon!
mjno7777
05-23-2008, 07:02 PM
I don't understand why she apologized??? She was making a point about why she is still int he race by giving two other examples.
South Dakota paper could use your comments...since there a OBAMABOTS taking over the comments. HELP.
http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080523/FRONTPAGECAROUSEL/80522033
joeysky18
05-23-2008, 07:03 PM
Guys, she didn't do anything wrong. She stating the fact that the primary can go into June. This is the full quote.
This is the most important job in the world. It’s the toughest job in the world. You should be willing to campaign for every vote. You should be willing to debate anytime, anywhere. I think it’s an interesting juxtaposition where we find ourselves and you know, I have been willing to do all of that during the entire process and people have been trying to push me out of this ever since Iowa and I find it¬¬-
EB: Why? Why?
I don’t know I don’t know I find it curious because it is unprecedented in history. I don’t understand it and between my opponent and his camp and some in the media, there has been this urgency to end this and you know historically that makes no sense, so I find it a bit of a mystery.
EB: You don’t buy the party unity argument?
I don’t, because again, I’ve been around long enough. You know my husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere around the middle of June
EB: June
We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. Um you know I just I don’t understand it. There’s lots of speculation about why it is.
Donald
05-23-2008, 07:06 PM
The only reason she had to apologize was because the MSM decided to take this out of context sand insinuate that Hillary was saying Obama could be killed. Its obvious what she was saying and that she was making a historical argument about the primary season lasting into June.
If I were all of you, I would contact the MSM and demand they do not distort this. Its already distorted and being used against her, especially by Chris Matthews and MSNBC.
Take action. The blogs are also busy tearing Hillary apart on this.
joeysky18
05-23-2008, 07:06 PM
And this is her official response to the criticism. She apologized if it has offended anyone. They will keep digging the grave for her with this. But she didn't do anything to harm the country, the people that has to fill the gas tank.
They are playing old kind of politic. This is a distraction. Don't fall for it.
“The Kennedys have been much on my mind the last days because of Senator Kennedy and I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation, and particularly for the Kennedy family was in any way offensive," Clinton said.
lanney
05-23-2008, 07:07 PM
Clinton spokesman Mo Elleithee said the senator was only referring to her husband and Kennedy "as historical examples of the nominating process going well into the summer and any reading into it beyond that would be inaccurate and outrageous."
Even so, Clinton decided within a couple of hours to make a personal apology.
"I was discussing the Democratic primary history and in the course of that discussion mentioned the campaigns of both my husband and Senator (Robert) Kennedy waged in California in June in 1992 and 1968 and I was referencing those to make the point that we have had nomination primary contests that go into June. That's a historic fact," she said.
"The Kennedys have been much on my mind the last days because of Senator Kennedy," she added, referring to Sen. Edward M. Kennedy's recent diagnosis of a brain tumor. "I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation and in particular the Kennedy family was in any way offensive. I certainly had no intention of that whatsoever.
"My view is that we have to look to the past to our leaders who have inspired us, give us a lot to live up to, and I'm honored to hold Senator Kennedy's seat in the United States Senate from the state of New York and have the highest regard for the Kennedy family," she said.
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Area504
05-23-2008, 07:09 PM
There was absolutely nothing wrong with her exact quote. Yes, those of us who are old enough DO remember that RFK was assassinated in June of 1968. What is supposed to be implied by that statement?
Next month, every news organization that is trashing Hillary over these comments today will have a very visible remembrance of RFK's assassination. Is that insensitive, too? Why is that different?
This is the kind of thing that chills me the most about the prospect of an Obama administration (ugh). We would all be walking on eggshells about everything we say and do for the next 4 years or more.
Screw it.
The Obama campaign may control the media, but they can't control Americans' minds. They're digging their own graves, and I hope the superdelegates come to their senses if there will be ANY hope in the future for the Democratic Party. If they cave in to Obama pressure, they had better get used to the sound of "President John McCain."
Sandy in PA
05-23-2008, 07:10 PM
This would not be an issue at all if the Obama campaign hadn't stirred the pot and released the following statement:
Sen. Clinton's statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign," said Obama spokesman Bill Burton.
Looks like they are still quite intimidated by Hillary and still have their spies out wherever Hillary is speaking so that they report back immediately to HQ and have them issue a press release twisting her words.
Talk about a trashy way to run a campaign.
lanney
05-23-2008, 07:10 PM
more they do, worse outcome BO will see in SD and Montana.
SadStateOfAffairs
05-23-2008, 07:11 PM
It's a full frontal media attack. I'm going to ignore completely.
OK, I lied. I'm blogging in her defense over at ABC. The have 4....yes 4 blogs going at once on this issue. This is a first ever at ABC and is designed to stir up hostility and anger. I'm going to battle on this one!
ssmith
05-23-2008, 07:13 PM
I agree, the more they do this, the more I determined to make sure hill is the nom, or else mccain..
all she said was primaries do go until june.. cited her husband as an example and was saying RFK was also campaigning up until June , when unfortuantley, he was assaninated.
these stupid ignortant A**holes...
Patricia GA
05-23-2008, 07:14 PM
I think this may backfire on them. I think the voters know exactly what they are doing and are tired of their spin. I sure know it just gives me more resolve to vote for Hillary and never never for Obama.
Wyoming Dem
05-23-2008, 07:17 PM
There was absolutely nothing wrong with her exact quote. Yes, those of us who are old enough DO remember that RFK was assassinated in June of 1968. What is supposed to be implied by that statement?
Next month, every news organization that is trashing Hillary over these comments today will have a very visible remembrance of RFK's assassination. Is that insensitive, too? Why is that different?
This is the kind of thing that chills me the most about the prospect of an Obama administration (ugh). We would all be walking on eggshells about everything we say and do for the next 4 years or more.
Screw it.
The Obama campaign may control the media, but they can't control Americans' minds. They're digging their own graves, and I hope the superdelegates come to their senses if there will be ANY hope in the future for the Democratic Party. If they cave in to Obama pressure, they had better get used to the sound of "President John McCain."
Was she implying Robert Kennedy is Dead? Yup. Was he still alive in part of June and campaigning? Yup. Is she sorry he was assasinated? Yup. Was she saying anything else about Robert Kennedy other that he was campaigning in June until he was assassinated? Nope. What else is there to say?
hills
05-23-2008, 07:21 PM
The interesting thing is that this is not the first time she has said this. Why didn't they get angry then?
This isn't the first time Clinton has invoked Bobby Kennedy's assassination as part of an argument about the length of the primary process. On March 6 she told Time :
I think people have short memories. Primary contests used to last a lot longer. We all remember the great tragedy of Bobby Kennedy being assassinated in June in L.A. My husband didn't wrap up the nomination in 1992 until June, also in California. Having a primary contest go through June is nothing particularly unusual. We will see how it unfolds as we go forward over the next three to four months.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Not_the_first_time.html
lakerchick4life
05-23-2008, 07:22 PM
Was she implying Robert Kennedy is Dead? Yup. Was he still alive in part of June and campaigning? Yup. Is she sorry he was assasinated? Yup. Was she saying anything else about Robert Kennedy other that he was campaigning in June until he was assassinated? Nope. What else is there to say?
No, stupid media is implying that Hillary wants Obama assassinated..that is what the stupid media is implying..face it, the media is now in Obama's pocket, there is nothing that can be done about it, Hillary could sneeze and it would be something negative against Obama..it is what it is..should Hillary have said it in the first place..nah, cause when I heard it I had no clue what she meant by it, now I understand that she meant to say "Hey poop(Well you know what I Mean to say) happens so why should I get out now" but she has to realize that anything and I mean ANYTHING that she says the media is gonna spin it to something negative..yeah Hillary wants Obama dead..laughable
mjno7777
05-23-2008, 07:24 PM
Comment at the source:
http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080523/UPDATES/80523037/1001/NEWS
Register first at www.argusleader.com
OBAMABOTS are twisting this all around....
Wyoming Dem
05-23-2008, 07:25 PM
No, stupid media is implying that Hillary wants Obama assassinated..that is what the stupid media is implying..face it, the media is now in Obama's pocket, there is nothing that can be done about it, Hillary could sneeze and it would be something negative against Obama..it is what it is..should Hillary have said it in the first place..nah, cause when I heard it I had no clue what she meant by it, now I understand that she meant to say "Hey poop(Well you know what I Mean to say) happens so why should I get out now" but she has to realize that anything and I mean ANYTHING that she says the media is gonna spin it to something negative..yeah Hillary wants Obama dead..laughable
And if she does want him dead like she would ever say it out loud?
It is just ridiculous to alledge that's what she meant.
lakerchick4life
05-23-2008, 07:28 PM
And if she does want him dead like she would ever say it out loud?
It is just ridiculous to alledge that's what she meant.
of course it's ridiculous but that's the media for ya..I really do think that Hillary has some really good info about Obama and is saving it..she is staying in the race for a reason, she MUST know something and in the end, I hope that she gets out of this stupid democratic party and goes independent..she has my vote!
Donald
05-23-2008, 07:28 PM
In defense of the Obama camp, David Axelrod did come out and say that Hillary did not mean anything other than what she said. He also expressed that this should not be taken out of context. However, this was after the campaign issued the press release that makes this look worse than it is. However, I did see David Axelrod defend Hillary.
lanney
05-23-2008, 07:30 PM
Same happened when Pres. Bush gave speech in Israel and BO came out, its attack on him.
lanney
05-23-2008, 07:32 PM
In defense of the Obama camp, David Axelrod did come out and say that Hillary did not mean anything other than what she said. He also expressed that this should not be taken out of context. However, this was after the campaign issued the press release that makes this look worse than it is. However, I did see David Axelrod defend Hillary.
After releasing attack dogs on Hillary, he is trying to be nice.
I don't trust him.
PuppyDogMom
05-23-2008, 07:35 PM
I posted a reply...here it is:
Oh...you mean RFK wasn't assassinated in June while he was still running for the nomination? Oh yeah, and Teddy Kennedy wasn't behind over 700 delegates when he went to the convention, was he?
Oh, and how about the 57 states that Obama thinks we have, or he was or wasn't in the Church (depending on what day he was talking about it).
Frankly, I can't think of a single reason why she would stoop to being Obama's VP...especially since she's going to be the nominee.
Get a life.
They all sound like a bunch of middle school kids to me.
ssmith
05-23-2008, 07:35 PM
Axel-rove can say whatever he wants...................
I AM SO DONE WITH BO AND HIS THUGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gerry2008
05-23-2008, 07:36 PM
The MSM are completely without ethics and apparently without real stories to cover - they know exactly what she meant because she has said it before. They're creeps.
And Sen. Obama's supporters are gutless for wanting this race to be over before it's over. They want Hillary to just walk away when she's closer than the others who have fought to the convention in the past.
The good news - they must be scared that we can win -
And we will win.
In defense of the Obama camp, David Axelrod did come out and say that Hillary did not mean anything other than what she said. He also expressed that this should not be taken out of context. However, this was after the campaign issued the press release that makes this look worse than it is. However, I did see David Axelrod defend Hillary.
Joking right?
David Axelrod is probably behind the whole attack in the first place!
Justmy.02
05-23-2008, 07:40 PM
What a tempest in a teapot! She could have used Ted Kennedy's being waaay behind when he and Carter went to the convention, but then the Obots and the twisted media would have probably said she was picking on a sick man.
It seems anything BO says but apologizes for should then be immediately forgotten, but anything HRC says should damn her forever.
May they all rot in....
Sandy in PA
05-23-2008, 07:41 PM
Axelrod came out in her defense? Are you sure? This is the statement from the Obama campaign:
Sen. Clinton's statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign," said Obama spokesman Bill Burton.
Area504
05-23-2008, 07:43 PM
Sen. Clinton's statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign," said Obama spokesman Bill Burton.Figures, the Obamabots think statements of fact have no place in this campaign. :eek:
Musicdude
05-23-2008, 07:47 PM
Fox tried to spin it against Hillary too. The Hillary pundit laughed and said the important word Hillary said was 'JUNE', and of course we remember he was assassinated in June. It's part of the historical timeline. The pundit also said, its only the TV newscasters getting confused about this! lol
By the way, if the biased media, and the obmambots are SO CONVINCED that Obama will be the nominee, then why are they even talking about Hillary? hhmmm? ;) It's very telling. You don't focus on someone you're not worried about. lol They obviously sense that, either Obama's campaign is as tenuous as a house of cards, or that Hillary has a couple of big aces up her sleeve that she hasn't even played yet. hahaha
Wyoming Dem
05-23-2008, 07:49 PM
Figures, the Obamabots think statements of fact have no place in this campaign. :eek:
CNN is saying that she apologized if anyone took it the wrong way. The argument about killing Obama is just ludicrous. We don't have to do anything as he shoots himself in the foot at least once a day and maybe, after enough days/shots there will be a cumulative injury that will force him to "retire".
evolin
05-23-2008, 07:51 PM
Something dramatic like a death during a campaign does make the time stick in a person's mind....and that's all the reference to Bob Kennedy was....a time in June and he was still in the race. Many will remember JFK and what they were doing when the news came across the screen of the gun shot. I do.
Just remember folks; Obama, his supporters, and the news media will automaticly dissect anthing Hillary or Bill says, and try to cause an incident over any casual remark. We KNOW they are constantly looking for innocent statements to use and take out of context. We also know that Obama is given a free pass no matter what his questionable past activities have been or obsurd his present statements.
What I am in the dark about is why the media is so in the tank for Obama and against Hillary, the best possible choice for president. Is it because she is a woman? or because she is so able and intelligent? or because she is who she is as a person and won't back down on principle?
The fact is that she has always been for ordinary people and their causes, more so than most of the other candidates who ran this year. She and Bill saw no color difference when trying to help and support those in need.
I will not blog and try to refute or excuse anything Hillary said. She did nothing wrong and nothing she should have had to apologize for. I guess she just apologized for bringing up a hurtful incident, but she should not have had to say anything. She has done no wrong.
I am sick and tired of their underhanded tactics in this campaign and sick and tired of the news media. If they have any illusions about getting my vote in November, they can think again. I am one of those old women voters who has not lost her capacity yet to remember ........Obama campaign impudent bloggers, Obama's distortions of the facts and the media's blatant Obama brown nosing and dissing of Hillary.
You'd think sometime 'public think' would see and realize they have all gone too far, but in this day and age, maybe I am expecting too much.
Ev
Donald
05-23-2008, 07:54 PM
Joking right?
David Axelrod is probably behind the whole attack in the first place!
Nope, not joking. Wolf Blitzer interviewed him earlier and he said that Hillary's remarks should not be taken out of context and he was sure she meant nothing other than what she said she said. That being said, I am sure they will play both sides..I am sure they sent their bloggers out to beat this story into the ground. But, this is what Axelrod said, what his motives were I do not know. Just thought we should not be so quick to blame all in the Obama camp, as it seems to me this more of media issue. Thats who is the problem here, especially MSNBC.
Wyoming Dem
05-23-2008, 08:00 PM
Nope, not joking. Wolf Blitzer interviewed him earlier and he said that Hillary's remarks should not be taken out of context and he was sure she meant nothing other than what she said she said. That being said, I am sure they will play both sides..I am sure they sent their bloggers out to beat this story into the ground. But, this is what Axelrod said, what his motives were I do not know. Just thought we should not be so quick to blame all in the Obama camp, as it seems to me this more of media issue. Thats who is the problem here, especially MSNBC.
Yes, our VERY GOOD FRIENDS at CNN et al!
Eddie3dfx
05-23-2008, 08:01 PM
This is so stupid.
Should Microsoft Network apologize because they have a banner link showing a tazmanian devil as well as Kennedys brain tumor.
Are they saying Kennedy is a devil?
Image source: http://blstb.msn.com/i/7C/544F9F5D23E2CCAB12258DD723C456.jpg
http://blstb.msn.com/i/7C/544F9F5D23E2CCAB12258DD723C456.jpg
These arguements that they use against hillary are ridiculous.
Suzan
05-23-2008, 08:04 PM
Let's set the story straight in PR...remember lots of delegates at stake. Register and comment NOW.
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/puerto-rico
I agree. USE THE LINK AND COMMENT ON THIS PR BLOG. Her support there is strong. Let's keep it that way.
How ridiculous of the media to pile on this way. It's absurd. You can see that she made the comment in a very matter of fact way. There was nothing in appropriate about it. I heard it on Fox before I saw the video and I thought she'd really done something terrible. More of much ado about nothing. Pisssssssh.
Catherine
05-23-2008, 08:08 PM
Just thought we should not be so quick to blame all in the Obama camp, as it seems to me this more of media issue. Thats who is the problem here, especially MSNBC.
I find this comment inexplicable since it was the Obama campaign that found it necessary to issue a statement critical of Hillary's remarks saying "they have no place in this campaign". They deliberately misconstrued the context.
I started another thread urging people to contact the DNC. If they could mobilize to defend Obama over the appeasement charge, they better step forward to quash any implication that Hillary is linking Obama's candidacy to any threat of assassination.
I am outraged and I hold the Obama campaign responsible for misconstruing these remarks. I expect the DNC to do something about this.
Suzan
05-23-2008, 08:09 PM
Obama's top foreign policy person said the same thing. What's her name? Rice? She said that Hillary explained the comment and she took Hillary at her word.
Again, excuse my cynicism, but I think they're being very careful not to leap on this and antagonize Hillary supporters at this point. And heck, they don't need to. The media will do it for them. What they don't realize is the media's role in turning Hillary supporter's off. I have come to loathe 9/10s of the media because of this election. I will never feel the same way about them again.
Suzan
05-23-2008, 08:16 PM
Okay, just saw the conflicting statements from the Obama camp. I really think they want desperately to attack her, but are restraining themselves because things are so dicey for Obama. They have to be freaked about what's going on in Florida and Michigan. When's the last time a primary candidate was protested? God, I love that. More protests please!!!
Plus, all the more than willing to defect Hillary supporters. They may be saying we'll fall into line, but they don't believe it.
Catherine
05-23-2008, 08:20 PM
What are we to think about that!
That was the spin at the top of the hour on Lou Dobbs tonight. I think Fox was trying to imply the same thing. We know this is not what she meant but that doesn't stop the media from trying to spin it.
Don't let the Obama campaign off the hook. They are the ones who promoted this story by issuing their statement.
We should expect the DNC to stand behind Hillary like they stood behind Obama last week about the appeasement charge.
Florida Dawn
05-23-2008, 08:35 PM
Isn't this just like jr. high school? When I heard Hillary say this quote, I flashed back to June, 1968. If you are all baby boomers, you probably remember where you were the moment you heard RFK had been shot.
If you were a Dem or had parents who were Dem and loved Bobby, it was a horrible moment and a horrible loss for our country. I loved Bobby and so did my parents.
I say SCREW the folk who say Hillary was wrong to say what she said.
I have said that if every time somebody opens their mouths over the next four years (if Fluffy wins) and they disagree with him,they will accused of RACISM. (much like I will be accused of now). This is just the beginning.
But of course, we know there is no sexism out there (wink-wink).
Obama was six years old when RFK was shot. What does he know about it anyway?
GUILT-FREE AND VOTING FOR HILLARY
hills
05-23-2008, 08:36 PM
What a tempest in a teapot! She could have used Ted Kennedy's being waaay behind when he and Carter went to the convention, but then the Obots and the twisted media would have probably said she was picking on a sick man.
It seems anything BO says but apologizes for should then be immediately forgotten, but anything HRC says should damn her forever.
May they all rot in....
It could be nice if he apologized but he never does. Did you hear any apology for bittergate, sweetie?
I find this comment inexplicable since it was the Obama campaign that found it necessary to issue a statement critical of Hillary's remarks saying "they have no place in this campaign". They deliberately misconstrued the context.
It's just South Carolina Part 2. Back then Bill Clinton made comments which were completely misconstrued and repackaged by the Obama campaign. They then sent out their 4 page memo to the media to drum up racism hysteria. Now they are doing the same thing again.
It just inspires me to campaign for Hillary even harder. That's the mistake the media/Obama/DNC coalition has made - the more they try to "get rid of" Hillary, the more determined and defiant her supporters become. Good luck!
Donald
05-23-2008, 08:43 PM
I find this comment inexplicable since it was the Obama campaign that found it necessary to issue a statement critical of Hillary's remarks saying "they have no place in this campaign. They deliberately misconstrued the context.
I started another thread urging people to contact the DNC. If they could mobilize to defend Obama over the appeasement charge, they better step forward to quash any implication that Hillary is linking Obama's candidacy to any threat of assassination.
I am outraged and I hold the Obama campaign responsible for misconstruing these remarks. I expect the DNC to do something about this.
Catherine, with all due respect, please don't quote a part of my comment and call in inexplicable. My point was exactly what you said, but was also pointing out that David Axelrod had commented. If you read my entire post, I also say that I feel the Obama camp exploited the issue.. Please, lets not start defending Hillary by taking our things out of context to make a point. We then become guilty of the same tactics of the media.
I am also outraged, but its the media who is driving this story right now. I am only pointing out the facts as they occurred.
Nope, not joking. Wolf Blitzer interviewed him earlier and he said that Hillary's remarks should not be taken out of context and he was sure she meant nothing other than what she said she said. That being said, I am sure they will play both sides..I am sure they sent their bloggers out to beat this story into the ground. But, this is what Axelrod said, what his motives were I do not know. Just thought we should not be so quick to blame all in the Obama camp, as it seems to me this more of media issue. Thats who is the problem here, especially MSNBC.
Donald - the Obama campaign sends Memos to the media to rev them up. The Obama campaign actively fuels anti-hillary hysteria. This is their MO! And the need to do it is now greater than ever given Obama's shocking showing in WV and KY, his terrible results in the swing state polls, and the upcoming battle in Florida. The Obama campaign is negative to the core, spreading vile "memos", sending out its bloggers to spread filth on the internet, and then backtracking saying it had nothing to do with it. It is the most shameless and disgraceful campaign in contemporary American politics.
Viktoriya
05-23-2008, 08:46 PM
5/23/2008
Statement from the Argus Leader
The Argus Leader’s Executive Editor Randell Beck issued the following statement today:
"The context of the question and answer with Sen. Clinton was whether her continued candidacy jeopardized party unity this close to the Democratic convention. Her reference to Mr. Kennedy's assassination appeared to focus on the timeline of his primary candidacy and not the assassination itself."
End of story.
CriticalOne
05-23-2008, 08:47 PM
I've been so depressed, today, over this. I am so sick of this. I've been on boards where people are saying that she should have apologized to Obama! For what?! I've seen people even go so far as to seriously say she's winking at her supporters to do something to him!
She was making a historical point, and nothing more. Why does everyone always have to jump to the worst of conclusions? Now she's not only a racist, but hoping for her opponents assassination?!
Really, I'm through. If this ends up ruining her, I'm through with politics.
And don't fall for any of the "apologies" from media outlets and the like for their vile behavior and disgraceful misrepresentation of Hillary's words. The aim of any smear campaign is to spread the filth and false accusations first, and then apologize later, because by that stage the damage is already done.
mjno7777
05-23-2008, 08:52 PM
Again, sure could use your comments here.
http://argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080523/UPDATES/80523037
CriticalOne
05-23-2008, 08:52 PM
And don't fall for any of the "apologies" from media outlets and the like for their vile behavior and disgraceful misrepresentation of Hillary's words. The aim of any smear campaign is to spread the filth and false accusations first, and then apologize later, because by that stage the damage is already done.
Who's going to apologize? Does anyone seriously think they are going to apologize for this? You apologize when you feel you've said something wrong. From as far as I can tell, everything I've seen today on TV and the net has been a "shame on you Hillary" indictment for even bringing up the RFK assassination. It didn't matter the context, they painted it as the height of offensiveness to Obama of all people just because the media is walking on egg shells around him. I heard someone say some histornic exaggeration to the effect of she's "opened the Pandora's Box to America's nightmares, today." Forgive my French, but give me a f%ckin' break.
Seriously, they've been waiting for a moment JUST like this to try and bury her, and because of the sensitivity of this issue they just might get their way, this time, and that would be the tragedy, here. I really hope this thing doesn't have legs, but given the explosive subject matter, it probably will.
Donald
05-23-2008, 08:53 PM
Donald - the Obama campaign sends Memos to the media to rev them up. The Obama campaign actively fuels anti-hillary hysteria. This is their MO! And the need to do it is now greater than ever given Obama's shocking showing in WV and KY, his terrible results in the swing state polls, and the upcoming battle in Florida. The Obama campaign is negative to the core, spreading vile "memos", sending out its bloggers to spread filth on the internet, and then backtracking saying it had nothing to do with it. It is the most shameless and disgraceful campaign in contemporary American politics.
I know this Murray..I was part of the campaign here and South Carolina and lived it. I was there when the founder of BET made his comment and CNN distorted it, and never mentioned anything Hillary said in the hour and a half she spoke. I was here as Obama people spread memo's to our local press on racial issues. So I understand.
I do believe my original post said this...We can still not dent that Axelrod came out and said what he said...and as I said..I do not know what his intent was.
My feeling is this story will die quick, so we should get back focused on the challenges ahead. That being PR,SD, and Montana.
Kbentleyis
05-23-2008, 09:02 PM
I'm not even worried about this. As a team we shouldn't lose focus on what's important and that's Hillary winning the last states. Let O's spin on it, not us.
hipelayne
05-23-2008, 09:11 PM
Good grief - I'm away from the computer for a few hours and all hell breaks loose! It's so obvious that the other camp is running scared and they have to blow statements of fact out of proportion. Their friends at MSNBC and CNN are probably running just as scared as BO right now because all the momentum is with Senator Clinton - they're terrified that she's going to win the whole thing because they just might have to lose their jobs if she does! Although with as classy as Senator Clinton is, I doubt that she will make them pay as harshly as any of us would when she becomes President! Like I said in a previous post somewhere "Becareful the asses that you kick on the way up, because they just might be the asses you are kissing on the way down!"
PrincesseJen
05-23-2008, 09:11 PM
The good news is it's Friday and Memorial Day weekend so people are gonna be busy and out not watching a lot of TV so I don't think this will get too much attention. :)
Johnf
05-23-2008, 09:13 PM
I know this Murray..I was part of the campaign here and South Carolina and lived it. I was there when the founder of BET made his comment and CNN distorted it, and never mentioned anything Hillary said in the hour and a half she spoke. I was here as Obama people spread memo's to our local press on racial issues. So I understand.
I do believe my original post said this...We can still not dent that Axelrod came out and said what he said...and as I said..I do not know what his intent was.
My feeling is this story will die quick, so we should get back focused on the challenges ahead. That being PR,SD, and Montana.
The media, paid for might I add by Obama and his camp are in high gear again. It seems they can't stand when Hillary wins big so they do what they can to trip her up.
Message to Hillary. You need to come out against what Obama is doing. You need to address this, forget the unity thing right now, Obama isn't going after unity, he wants to divide, divide the dems, bring division within Hillary's supporters.
This guy is bad, the best to do right now, is say, You really resent the fact that the information coming out in the media is suggesting that you are looking at VP, and attacking, and it can only be coming from one source. Obamas camp, and it typically happens every time you win,....site examples, ie after Hillary's debate and Obama's embarrassment, the Wright scandal, the Rezko scandal, the WV win, the Kentucky Win, the PA win, in fact, you must be winnnig a lot becuase there's a lot of negative media out there trying to finish you off, and I'll say it again, if Hillary wasn't strong, Obama and his camp wouldn't say or do a thing. Just like McCain's group didn't say antying about any of his competition. Obama's paying to smear Hillary. It wreaks of his character and HIllary must address this. It's the only way she can take control of what is happening here and win. There's no two ways about this, you can't avoid it. Come on Hillary, speak up here. You need to address this, Obama is a little kid gone bad and he's going to get away with everything if you dont' speak up and put your foot down against this.
It needs to be managed carefully of course, with the best of aids, media around when she does this, but it needs to be done and swiftly. Hillary, you need to speak up about what is going on. Ignoring it, avoiding it won't make it go away, it's getting worse.
If Hillary addresses this in the right way, it stops. But, she needs to address all issues, there is no mistaking this. This is serious. You will show unbelievable leadership when you do this. We have a media and Obama camp right out of control...who is going to stop them? No time or room to complain about it, but it needs to be talked about and addressed and say it should not, and you will not accept the lies that are coming out...and line up the stories, one by one, discuss what is getting avoided on the other side, discuss the pressuring of SD's by the other camp after you win big and say, thi sis not what a campaign or leadership shoudl be about. This is a perfect time to take control of all the craziness that is going on.
12counts
05-23-2008, 09:19 PM
The good news is it's Friday and Memorial Day weekend so people are gonna be busy and out not watching a lot of TV so I don't think this will get too much attention. :)
The Obama campaign is backpedaling, because they realized by making this an issue it could backfire on them. Clearly Clinton is being taken out of context, and if they try to use this to bury her, the backlash from her supporters will not be pretty.
This is an opportunity for the Obama campaign, his supporters, and the DNC to do what they have never done during the primary season, and that is do right by Hillary. They need to defend her.
If they don't, well, it will be the final nail in the wedge between us and them, and we can move ahead with Operation Turndown with no sadness or regrets at all.
Musicdude
05-23-2008, 09:25 PM
I don't see how they make her comment a giant leap to somehow include Obama. Someone is trying to play the imaginary Victim-Card again. Hillary's opponents dream up anything to complain about, even if their accusations are embarrassingly ignorant. The MSM is so desparate, they report anything non-sensical and assume it's legitimate. K.O. is going nuts now; says she has to quit. Everytime he hears "obliterate" or "assassination" he pees himself. lol
Meanwhile, CNN reported that Bobby Kennedy Jr. issued a statement that essentially vindicates Hillary from any wrong doing.
CriticalOne
05-23-2008, 09:28 PM
Unfortunately, that won't matter. When you make insinuations about what she meant, the damage has been done. They knew exactly what they were doing. If they do backpeddle, it's part of the plan.
Frances
05-23-2008, 09:29 PM
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ssmith
05-23-2008, 09:31 PM
The Obama campaign is backpedaling, because they realized by making this an issue it could backfire on them. Clearly Clinton is being taken out of context, and if they try to use this to bury her, the backlash from her supporters will not be pretty.
This is an opportunity for the Obama campaign, his supporters, and the DNC to do what they have never done during the primary season, and that is do right by Hillary. They need to defend her.
If they don't, well, it will be the final nail in the wedge between us and them, and we can move ahead with Operation Turndown with no sadness or regrets at all.
IT HAS ALREADY BACKFIRED BIG TIME.. RFK's SON's (bobby jr.) DEFENSE OF HILLARY WAS STRONG!!!!!!!!!!!
the only reason axel-rove backpedaled... is BECAUSE THEY REALISED THIS HAS BACKFIRED BIG TIME.. OH YES DAMAGE HAS BEEN DONE.. TO THE BO CAMP!!!!!!!!!
Unfortunately, that won't matter. When you make insinuations about what she meant, the damage has been done. They knew exactly what they were doing. If they do backpeddle, it's part of the plan.
Yes, as I said earlier, that's the way a smear campaign works. Accuse first, apologize later.
mukunda22
05-23-2008, 09:35 PM
Meanwhile, CNN reported that Bobby Kennedy Jr. issued a statement that essentially vindicates Hillary from any wrong doing.
Ok, we need a You Tube Video of Bobby Jr's statement, everybody--
If I knew how to do this, I'd do it, dammit!!!!!
Who's going to apologize? Does anyone seriously think they are going to apologize for this? You apologize when you feel you've said something wrong. From as far as I can tell, everything I've seen today on TV and the net has been a "shame on you Hillary" indictment for even bringing up the RFK assassination. It didn't matter the context, they painted it as the height of offensiveness to Obama of all people just because the media is walking on egg shells around him. I heard someone say some histornic exaggeration to the effect of she's "opened the Pandora's Box to America's nightmares, today." Forgive my French, but give me a f%ckin' break.
Seriously, they've been waiting for a moment JUST like this to try and bury her, and because of the sensitivity of this issue they just might get their way, this time, and that would be the tragedy, here. I really hope this thing doesn't have legs, but given the explosive subject matter, it probably will.
I didn't mean a real apology. I meant lame attempts by Axelrod and others down the track saying she didn't really mean anything by what she said. The media doesn't care about facts. They could not care less about them when it comes to Hillary. The media/Obama coalition waits 24/7 to jump on something Hillary says - it just goes to show how DESPERATE they really are. They don't have any active material to smear her with so they wait, like desperate losers, for something, anything, to work with. It shows how FEARFUL they are that she will WIN. :eek:
Musicdude
05-23-2008, 09:37 PM
Fortunately, Rev. Wright speaks in 6 days.
agalfromcal4hill
05-23-2008, 09:41 PM
I had been enjoying my day at the beach..then I turn on the tv to find all hell broke out and Hillary Bashing at an all time high.
Her comments about this was in context to primaries in June, and her confusion as to why all the urgency for her to quit. The media is completely trying to bury her with this spin. Anyone with two braincells between their ears would never conclude that she was calling for his (BO) assassination.
I'm so tried of all this media bias, BO can claim there are 57 or more states, that the Great Lakes are in Oregon, he may or may not talk with terrorist organizations, he might be friends with a known bomber, never heard or may have heard racist ideologies from his pastor, etc..etc..etc...
We must find some way to fix this coverage, the truth must be told, but the BO biased media are willing to crown him; king, messiah, and president. I worry our country is in for terrible days ahead. How can we fight the establishment, make the facts really count, and our concerns about his qualifactions the issue, not race.
There must be something, a massive boycott, march, movement, something huge. Any ideas..how do we beat them??? We must rise above and make our voices heard.
Fortunately, Rev. Wright speaks in 6 days.
Ah yes, another reason why the attack dogs are out against Hillary right now! The Obama campaign knows that more Wright disasters are on the horizen! ;)
12counts
05-23-2008, 09:42 PM
Yes, as I said earlier, that's the way a smear campaign works. Accuse first, apologize later.
It's a wasted opportunity.
Clearly Clinton is being taken out of context, and instead of defending her (like she did for him during the Bush-Iran thing) he chose to pile on.
It was a chance for the Obama campaign, his supporters, and the DNC to do what they have never done during the primary season, and that is do right by Hillary. He could have stood up to the media and said "Enough" but instead his campaign fanned the flames.
It merely confirms that these people hate Hillary and are not interested in unity. It take it as the final nail in the wedge between us and them, and we can move ahead with Operation Turndown with no sadness or regrets at all.
I hope the straggling, wavering Hillary supporters who are still thinking about supporting Obama will see this and realize that there can be no reconciliation.
blueskygal
05-23-2008, 09:42 PM
Thanks so much for posting the video. I'm furious about the continual misrepresentation. we need two things:
1. MCAUFFLE & WOLFSON NEED TO COME RIGHT OUT AND DENOUNCE THIS AS SOON AS IT HAPPENS BY SHOWING THE REAL STATEMENT AND THE BIAS
2. WE NEED TO BLOG THE MEDIA OUTLETS WITH THE TRUTH AND TEAR THEM A NEW ONE
I'M SICK OF THIS FREE PRESS FOR BO!
It's a wasted opportunity.
Clearly Clinton is being taken out of context, and instead of defending her (like she did for him during the Bush-Iran thing) he chose to pile on.
It was a chance for the Obama campaign, his supporters, and the DNC to do what they have never done during the primary season, and that is do right by Hillary. He could have stood up to the media and said "Enough" but instead his campaign fanned the flames.
It merely confirms that these people hate Hillary and are not interested in unity. It take it as the final nail in the wedge between us and them, and we can move ahead with Operation Turndown with no sadness or regrets at all.
I hope the straggling, wavering Hillary supporters who are still thinking about supporting Obama will see this and realize that there can be no reconciliation.
Agree 100%.
There is no turning back, no "reconciliation". And no need for any "remorse" about refusing to reconcile.
The Obama campaign is a vile, hate-inspiring, corrupt machine which will stop at nothing in trying to destroy Hillary Clinton. Their worst nightmare? Defiant, informed, and determined Hillary Clinton supporters. ;)
eyedoc333
05-23-2008, 09:47 PM
The attacks on Hillary smack of desperation. I ask, "why would a 'presumptive nominee' have anything to fear from someone who supposedly has no way to win?" These tactics convince me more and more that there is a fear of Hillary and her continued success, no matter how much they protest otherwise.
lalene
05-23-2008, 09:47 PM
Fortunately, Rev. Wright speaks in 6 days.
hahahahah!
its okay guys! the more they do this..the more we stick together and fight for hillary.
LoveHC
05-23-2008, 09:51 PM
This is how Obama gets away with pretending to be "above the fray". He stirs the pot by acting victimized, and has his cadre of bloggers and pundits literally "SWIFTVET" Hillary behind the scenes. This is why the Obama campaign is an absolute fraud. This is "fairy tale" all over again. A complete distortion to play the race card, and now another distortion to play the "evil" card. It's repugnant what he is given license to do. "Hope and Change" is an unbearable farce.
The Obama supporter, knowing full well what she meant, will still cry foul by citing Obama's "Bitter" firestorm. The difference between this and Obama's bitter comments is that he meant EXACTLY what he said. Thus, the defense of "he's just telling the truth!", which proved he was taken at his word, and which is what we heard from the Obama media when they rushed to his side. Today, Hillary did not mean anything close to what they imputed she meant (as if actual history is now off limits because of the ripe potential for the media to misconstrue). Hillary speaks fact, and her meaning is distorted into "she meant the worst"! Obama candidly stereotypes, his meaning is distorted into "he meant the best"! The bias of the Obama media knows no bounds. It's amazing that Hillary will win the popular vote given this kind of rampant hypocrisy.
As well, beyond giving historical context as a reminder of the normalcy of a primary entering into June, which was the point, she was talking about RFK in depth because of:
1. Ted Kennedy's illness.
2. We are approaching the 40th anniversary of RK's death, where MUCH will be said about it, including "Obama is just like RFK!", which would have been and still might be said by the pro-Obama media incessantly.
You can't talk about RKK and the length of his primary campaign without referring to that historical tragedy. In fact, it's hard to talk about RFK under any circumstances without mentioning that tragedy. Just like you couldn't talk about MLK months ago without doing the same. Hillary even went so far as to compare Obama - glowingly - to MLK. And for that, she was called racist.
It is AMAZING that Hillary has been able to endure this kind of rank bias and still win the popular vote. She has incredible strength. And the voters are smarter than the assclown pundits, thank Heavens.
The attacks on Hillary smack of desperation. I ask, "why would a 'presumptive nominee' have anything to fear from someone who supposedly has no way to win?" These tactics convince me more and more that there is a fear of Hillary and her continued success, no matter how much they protest otherwise.
It is ALL about that. They (Obama/Media/DNC coalition) KNOW she can win, they KNOW she is very popular. And it's causing them AGONY! :eek:
ssmith
05-23-2008, 09:55 PM
It's a wasted opportunity.
Clearly Clinton is being taken out of context, and instead of defending her (like she did for him during the Bush-Iran thing) he chose to pile on.
It was a chance for the Obama campaign, his supporters, and the DNC to do what they have never done during the primary season, and that is do right by Hillary. He could have stood up to the media and said "Enough" but instead his campaign fanned the flames.
It merely confirms that these people hate Hillary and are not interested in unity. It take it as the final nail in the wedge between us and them, and we can move ahead with Operation Turndown with no sadness or regrets at all.
I hope the straggling, wavering Hillary supporters who are still thinking about supporting Obama will see this and realize that there can be no reconciliation.
yep.. completely agree!!!!!
NO unity.. if BO is the nom.. I want that ship and all who sailed it to go down in flames.. I will be voting and campaiging for mccain..
even repubs don't do this to each other..
glad I am no longer a dem. only hillary supporter!
RachachaSharon
05-23-2008, 09:56 PM
Something dramatic like a death during a campaign does make the time stick in a person's mind....and that's all the reference to Bob Kennedy was....a time in June and he was still in the race. Many will remember JFK and what they were doing when the news came across the screen of the gun shot. I do.
Just remember folks; Obama, his supporters, and the news media will automaticly dissect anthing Hillary or Bill says, and try to cause an incident over any casual remark. We KNOW they are constantly looking for innocent statements to use and take out of context. We also know that Obama is given a free pass no matter what his questionable past activities have been or obsurd his present statements.
What I am in the dark about is why the media is so in the tank for Obama and against Hillary, the best possible choice for president. Is it because she is a woman? or because she is so able and intelligent? or because she is who she is as a person and won't back down on principle?
The fact is that she has always been for ordinary people and their causes, more so than most of the other candidates who ran this year. She and Bill saw no color difference when trying to help and support those in need.
I will not blog and try to refute or excuse anything Hillary said. She did nothing wrong and nothing she should have had to apologize for. I guess she just apologized for bringing up a hurtful incident, but she should not have had to say anything. She has done no wrong.
I am sick and tired of their underhanded tactics in this campaign and sick and tired of the news media. If they have any illusions about getting my vote in November, they can think again. I am one of those old women voters who has not lost her capacity yet to remember ........Obama campaign impudent bloggers, Obama's distortions of the facts and the media's blatant Obama brown nosing and dissing of Hillary.
You'd think sometime 'public think' would see and realize they have all gone too far, but in this day and age, maybe I am expecting too much.
Ev
No one could have said it better.
AlexG
05-23-2008, 09:58 PM
This is taken out of context and over the top. Just because Obama supporters are afraid of Obama being assasinated doesn't mean that Hillary is thinking about it. They were attacking her why she still stays in the race.
Diamond Tiger
05-23-2008, 10:05 PM
Was she implying Robert Kennedy is Dead? Yup. Was he still alive in part of June and campaigning? Yup. Is she sorry he was assasinated? Yup. Was she saying anything else about Robert Kennedy other that he was campaigning in June until he was assassinated? Nope. What else is there to say?
If anybody hasn't seen this editorial, then don't watch because it'll make your blood boil. I've been a duck about all this sh*t until I saw him today. He is implying that she is implying that "her opponent is going to be killed". How's that for taking the cake. I would respond to this, but it ain't going to make any difference. :(
Hele on folks!!
Musicdude
05-23-2008, 10:08 PM
I'm noticing that the MSM networks, and internet sites, trying to make a big issue about this non-story, are the same ones that are most sexist against Hillary. The real issue remains - Sexism remains the hidden motivator against Hillary.
I'm noticing that the MSM networks, and internet sites, trying to make a big issue about this non-story, are the same ones that are most sexist against Hillary. The real issue remains - Sexism remains the hidden motivator against Hillary.
It ain't hidden anymore! It's so transparent it's sickening.
It's also the case that Hillary has a genuine chance of WINNING the popular vote and of winning the nomination. All the more reason for the Media/Obama coalition to try and destroy her. This is just Bosnia Part 2. She survived that. She will survive this too.
supra5677
05-23-2008, 10:11 PM
We all need to email Keith O and tell him to back the **** off. Clearly Hillary was thinking about Ted and Bobby and the possibility of losing Ted. Can someone dig up his email for me please?
debstew
05-23-2008, 10:17 PM
about as pathetic as the Obama campaign can get. Just absolutely sickening. I could not believe they took an historial reference and turned it into a political statement. Just sickening.:eek:
Kbentleyis
05-23-2008, 10:22 PM
On Lou Dobbs tonight, a NY newspaper reporter already said, "I believe she had other intentions in that statement." Zimmerman put him down about it, but the guy still shook his head.
Well, ok, she shouldn't have used RFK, but the statement was blown way out of proportion. It's done and over. We have to let this one go because we'll never control the media and BO's campaign dogs.
But, what we can do is concentrate on the remaining states. Let's get her that popular vote. Screw the pundits.
Musicdude
05-23-2008, 10:22 PM
It ain't hidden anymore! It's so transparent it's sickening.
. They aren't making sexist comments about her in this particular story, but the ones who have treated her that way are digging in their heels with new crap. It's their attempt at retaliation ever since Hillary supporters, and Hillary discussed the sexism prevelent in the campaign. Now, all they (her opponents) have succeded in doing is ratcheting up a conflict that they have NO chance of winning. They just don't know it yet.
I'm changing the word "hidden" to "dominant".
about as pathetic as the Obama campaign can get. Just absolutely sickening. I could not believe they took an historial reference and turned it into a political statement. Just sickening.:eek:
Focus on the positive - solidifies support among Hillary's supporters in opposition to the Media/Obama coalition. That, for the Obama campaign, is a consequence they don't want.
Molly
05-23-2008, 10:23 PM
I'm all over the bloggs at FOX, MSNBC & CNN - they are brutal!!! I will be all over this!
I am just sick of obama making a major issue over nothing - his name was not mentioned this is about Clinton/Kennedy - so Mind Your Own Business!
Every comment made is twisted into a negative - or racist issue by the obama group!
Average Jane
05-23-2008, 10:23 PM
Not sure if this has been posted yet or not:
Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who has endorsed Mrs. Clinton, defended her remarks in a telephone interview Friday evening. “I’ve heard her make that argument before,” Mr. Kennedy said, speaking on his cell phone as he drove to the family compound in Hyannis for the holiday weekend. “It sounds like she was invoking a familiar historical circumstance in support of her argument for continuing her campaign.”
Mr. Kennedy said he has been traveling and had not seen the video or read Mrs. Clinton’s comments, but said his support of Mrs. Clinton has not wavered.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/23/clinton-calls-vp-chatter-completely-untrue/index.html?hp
CriticalOne
05-23-2008, 10:25 PM
Question, I'm hearing on other forums that Keith Olbermann (surprise) really layed it on thick, tonight. Did anyone see this?
Catherine
05-23-2008, 10:27 PM
IT HAS ALREADY BACKFIRED BIG TIME.. RFK's SON's (bobby jr.) DEFENSE OF HILLARY WAS STRONG!!!!!!!!!!!
I'd like to think you're right, that this is all it would take to redress the damage this inference has done. I'd also like to believe that a backlash will be created against the Obama campaign. But backlash? If the point is to reinforce what legions of Hillary's supporters plan to do if the worst happens, then, certainly we may never have a better reason to bolt the Democratic Party to vote for McCain.
However, if our goal is to promote Hillary as the most electable candidate, then we need to be aware that general election voters vote feelings and impressions. Do we want voters to be left with the impression that she was being "ghoulish" as some are suggesting? That's not a winning strategy when voters are left thinking that our candidate has a character flaw.
This brings me back to my original request. We need to insist that the DNC work to correct this mis-interpretation of her remarks. If they could go out and explain a policy related issue regarding Obama, then we should be able to insist that they go out and address any issues related to character issues regarding the other "historic" Democratic candidate - Hillary.
suerw
05-23-2008, 10:27 PM
This is going to be crazy it has already been all over Politico.com. All she was doing it saying that historically some campaigns have lasted into June so why have they been asking her to drop out since January. Be strong we can fight this one, too.
The media is using this as a distraction. Of course what she was doing was pointing to prior campaign history and using examples to make her point. However, the pro-Obama media will jump on anything she or her campaign people say and distort it, while letting anything Obama says just slide by. Once again gross media bias!!! :mad:
Question, I'm hearing on other forums that Keith Olbermann (surprise) really layed it on thick, tonight. Did anyone see this?
Would you expect anything less? The man has serious problems and requires psychological help. His misogyny and hatred are pathological. I am surprised a large corporation would allow such an unstable person on television. :confused:
Average Jane
05-23-2008, 10:28 PM
Question, I'm hearing on other forums that Keith Olbermann (surprise) really layed it on thick, tonight. Did anyone see this?
I don't watch him so I don't know, the point is, if Robert Kennedy, Jr was not offended then WHY are they using it against Hillary? It was HIS father that was killed for crying outloud!
Catherine
05-23-2008, 10:29 PM
p.s., RFK jr. may have issued a statement, but MSNBC hasn't seen fit to carry it. Fox is running reruns tonight. So, how widely will his statement be carried to be heard by voters?
Can you tell I'm really concerned about this?
p.s., RFK jr. may have issued a statement, but MSNBC hasn't seen fit to carry it. Fox is running reruns tonight. So, how widely will his statement be carried to be heard by voters?
Can you tell I'm really concerned about this?
Well Catherine, you are falling for their strategy then.
Don't. Simple.
This is Bosnia Part II.
She survived that viscious & unjust media attack. And she will survive this one too.
The strategy by the Media/Obama coalition is to draw attention away from Clinton's massive wins in WV/KY, her great polling in the swing states, the upcoming FL meeting, and the PR primary. If Clinton supporters buy into that strategy, then the job of the Media/Obama coalition is half done.
Everyone - move on, I suggest!
Average Jane
05-23-2008, 10:33 PM
p.s., RFK jr. may have issued a statement, but MSNBC hasn't seen fit to carry it. Fox is running reruns tonight. So, how widely will his statement be carried to be heard by voters?
Can you tell I'm really concerned about this?
then obviously their plan is working then.
ZY123
05-23-2008, 10:35 PM
I've been ignoring this thread all day because this is such an faux outrage about an overinflated non-issue perpetuated by O-Bots. Has anything changed? If not we're playing into their hands by discussing it IMHO.
I've been ignoring this thread all day because this is such an faux outrage about an overinflated non-issue perpetuated by O-Bots. Has anything changed? If not we're playing into their hands by discussing it IMHO.
Agreed.
NotBamboozled
05-23-2008, 10:39 PM
countdown@msnbc.com
also copy to letters@msnbc.com
BillDemo
05-23-2008, 10:47 PM
I e-mailed him to tell him that 1968 was another close year when the democratic nomination was still undecided as late as June. That was Hillary's point.
It's insulting to Bobby Kennedy's memory that his entire political career is overshadowed by the manner of his death. Olberman should remember that RFK was a great Presidential candidate and fought a tough battle to be the party's nominee in 1968, just like Hillary is doing in 2008.
When we reference Bobby Kennedy, we are not automatically referencing his assassination. Using this as a way to attack Hillary is degrading to a great American politician.
Sandy in PA
05-23-2008, 10:48 PM
If anyone has denigrated Bobby Kennedy's memory today, it is Obama and the media. They are both hateful and vile, and may they rot in hell.
mukunda22
05-23-2008, 10:51 PM
is only viewed by a bunch of women haters, anyway.
Why focus on this?? Bobby Kennedy JR says it all--I love that guy!!
suerw
05-23-2008, 10:57 PM
Not sure if this has been posted yet or not:
Thank-you for posting Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.'s comment. He at least shows common sense.
I don't think that all this will have any significant affect on voters in the remaining primaries. And I don't think it will influence Super Delegates. Those who support Obama will make a big thing of it. Those who support Hillary will see the media exploitation of her statement for what it is -- bias and willingness to make "news" out of nothing.
What a tempest in a teapot! She could have used Ted Kennedy's being waaay behind when he and Carter went to the convention, but then the Obots and the twisted media would have probably said she was picking on a sick man.
It seems anything BO says but apologizes for should then be immediately forgotten, but anything HRC says should damn her forever.
May they all rot in....
I'd laugh at your comments, but someone might hold it against Hillary!;)
You're so right--it's just gotten insane at this point. The DNC has an agenda, and by God, some b*tch isn't gonna get in the way of it, especially not by being more qualified!
I'm glad we're all going to keep making our voices heard this time, even if (God forbid) it comes to having to vote for McCain. Nothing will change if we just accept the DNC's bullsh*t--and the media's complicity in it--again.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! Where's instant karma when we really need it?
unchainthedogs
05-23-2008, 11:20 PM
Because it's true. SHI% happens. Really, it does!! Why quit? Why?
BTW, if McCain died tomorrow, would we have a Republican nominee? What would happen?
Don't let the Obamanites fool you with all the hype about this being some deep "dark" hopeful in Hillary's head! That's just a sly political move, fronting that Obama is all nice and clean and you should vote for him because he is so "above" all that Hillary is.........No No NoBama. Don't quit Hillary. Hold your head very high!! There are millions of us behind you!!
Gerry2008
05-23-2008, 11:21 PM
Well Catherine, you are falling for their strategy then.
Don't. Simple.
This is Bosnia Part II.
She survived that viscious & unjust media attack. And she will survive this one too.
The strategy by the Media/Obama coalition is to draw attention away from Clinton's massive wins in WV/KY, her great polling in the swing states, the upcoming FL meeting, and the PR primary. If Clinton supporters buy into that strategy, then the job of the Media/Obama coalition is half done.
Everyone - move on, I suggest!
We understand but most of us are outraged and this is a safe place to blow off a little steam. We will move on soon but we just need a few minutes to express our continuing anger at the mistreatment. Maybe it's better to do that here because if we defend our feelings "out there" then we are feeding the monster. I feel better already.
If anyone has denigrated Bobby Kennedy's memory today, it is Obama and the media. They are both hateful and vile, and may they rot in hell.
I second that. Rot in hell.
No forgiveness on this one.
Bacio83
05-23-2008, 11:22 PM
She didn't even mean it in that way. She explained that her mind had been on the Kennedy's with the tragedy that they were going through now. And that she was thinking more of what happened how JFK was in the last leg of the primaries in June 1968 when he was killed. It was a gaffe that meant nothing. And the BO people as usual made a huge mountain out of a molehill.
rob3gd
05-23-2008, 11:42 PM
Please tune in as soon as possible for his hate speech to Clinton NOW.
hillgal
05-23-2008, 11:50 PM
I am so disgusted with CNN now that I can't watch that station anymore, especially during dinner. All the talking heads seized on Clinton's statement about Bobby Kennedy. Since when can't we talk about history now and what does Kennedy's assassination have to do with anything else. I didn't even connect the comment to modern day until the press told me it alludes to a possible Obama assassination. Next, after scolding Clinton about this, they went on to her motives for staying in the race. They kept harping on what her motives were. I know of only one motive - she wants to be and deserves to be president. They question all this like she has some sinister plan. And after all that, they now say that this historical remark can be the one thing that keeps her off the ticket as veep. Pardon me, but i don't get this logic at all. Then, if all this isn't enough, they decided she should get of the race because if they let the race go on, Obama would be in danger. Funny, they don't know Obama IS the danger.
Also, Hillary had very kind words for Ted Kennedy and that's a lot more gracious than everything he's been saying about her.
I have news for the DNC. Obama's life was in danger the minute he decided to run. Any of his own thugs could do it, any of the klan racists could do it., etc. What does any of this have to do with Hillary staying in the race or getting out. i would conclude that if Obama is the nominee, he'd be in much more danger than if it's still questionable. And i've never heard of any death threats against Obama though i've heard them the other way around from the Obama supporters. In fact, I remember hearing a while ago that Michelle Obama feared his life was in danger.
blueskygal
05-23-2008, 11:52 PM
It is ALL about that. They (Obama/Media/DNC coalition) KNOW she can win, they KNOW she is very popular. And it's causing them AGONY! :eek:
bitter and jealous and scared sh*tless because despite their overwhelming $$, press and dem support they can't stop her!!! this makes them see how really good and strong she is as NO ONE ELSE COULD SURVIVE THEIR ADVANTAGES!
Wyoming Dem
05-23-2008, 11:53 PM
I am so disgusted with CNN now that I can't watch that station anymore, especially during dinner. All the talking heads seized on Clinton's statement about Bobby Kennedy. Since when can't we talk about history now and what does Kennedy's assassination have to do with anything else. I didn't even connect the comment to modern day until the press told me it alludes to a possible Obama assassination. Next, after scolding Clinton about this, they went on to her motives for staying in the race. They kept harping on what her motives were. I know of only one motive - she wants to be and deserves to be president. They question all this like she has some sinister plan. And after all that, they now say that this historical remark can be the one thing that keeps her off the ticket as veep. Pardon me, but i don't get this logic at all. Then, if all this isn't enough, they decided she should get of the race because if they let the race go on, Obama would be in danger. Funny, they don't know Obama IS the danger.
Also, Hillary had very kind words for Ted Kennedy and that's a lot more gracious than everything he's been saying about her.
I have news for the DNC. Obama's life was in danger the minute he decided to run. Any of his own thugs could do it, any of the klan racists could do it., etc. What does any of this have to do with Hillary staying in the race or getting out. i would conclude that if Obama is the nominee, he'd be in much more danger than if it's still questionable. And i've never heard of any death threats against Obama though i've heard them the other way around from the Obama supporters. In fact, I remember hearing a while ago that Michelle Obama feared his life was in danger.
Yes..."He could be shot at a gas station." Yeah...like "Mr. 57 States" could figure out how to work the gas pump!
SantaCruzen
05-23-2008, 11:57 PM
Responding to a question from the Sioux Falls Argus Leader editorial board about calls for her to drop out of the race, she said: "My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. You know I just, I don't understand it," she said, dismissing the idea of abandoning the race.
Senator Clinton said she didn't understand why, given this history, some Democrats were calling for her to quit.
Her remark about an assassination during a primary campaign drew a quick response from aides to Democratic presidential front-runner Barack Obama.
"Senator Clinton's statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign," said Obama spokesman Bill Burton.
Clinton spokesman Mo Elleithee said the senator was only referring to her husband and Kennedy "as historical examples of the nominating process going well into the summer and any reading into it beyond that would be inaccurate and outrageous."
http://www.nysun.com/national/clinton-regrets-rfk-assassination-remark/78159/
Let's get this really clear. First of all, Hillary Clinton has had incidents of threatening situations like the guy who was arrested for having those explosives to his body and coming into a HRC Volunteer Office. Second, LaRouch PAC even had some an article warning that Hillary Clinton's life could be in danger if the Elite Powers that Be do not get their man Obama Nominated. Third, she is making the point that Race is not Over and That historical races have gone on into June. Maybe all Primaries should be Legally Required to go until June from Now - with less dramatics. Fourth, it was okay for Obama to call Clinton Annie Oakley yet she cannot have a memory recall of other historical candidates racing through to June? Really! Pathetic. Fifith, Bhutto was assassinated during her come back to make a bid for her supporters. Obama was on the record as claiming that was Hillary Clinton's fault. When does this man ever have dignity and integrity? Blame someone who is a friend of someone who is assassinated. Hillary Clinton has every right to sense danger. And, we should all take heed that we need to demonstrate some awareness that the heat of debate can go far beyond words.
Personally, the anger and hysterical harassment that Obama people perpetuate is quite dramatic and potentially violent. As for the Media, they prove to us every hour that they will do anything, any trick to prevent our candidate from reaching the goal - to equalize the powers that run this country.
We the People in order to form a more perfect union must be united as a wall to prevent idealists from character assassination and otherwise.
CriticalOne
05-23-2008, 11:58 PM
Already a thread on this, and we definitely don't need another one.
Already a thread on this, and we definitely don't need another one.
Agreed. One thread is already one too many for this trashy non-issue. Talk about Bosnia Part 2!! :eek:
Just shows how little the Obama/Media coalition has against Clinton. They are so lacking in material to "attack" her with that they resort to this f-ing nonsense. It's an embaressment to America that its mainstream media gives credit to this trashy tabloid rot.
Musicdude
05-24-2008, 12:10 AM
For blogging purposes, here's the bottom line.... MSM EXPLOITS KENNEDY TRAGEDY TO ATTACK HILLARY CLINTON
New York Times (5-22-08)
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. who has endorsed Mrs. Clinton, defended her remarks in a telephone interview on Friday evening.
“I’ve heard her make that argument before,” Mr. Kennedy said, speaking on his cellphone as he drove to the family compound in Hyannis Port, Mass. “It sounds like she was invoking a familiar historical circumstance in support of her argument for continuing her campaign.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/24/us/politics/24clinton.html?hp
Now if Obamabots and the MSM want to fight against Bobby Kennedy Jr. on this issue, they will only make things worse for Obama.
Here's the other another headline to use in blogging.. MSM EXPLOITS KENNEDY TRAGEDY TO ATTACK HILLARY CLINTON
Alex01
05-24-2008, 12:11 AM
Hillary Clinton at Argus Leader editorial board interview, May 23, 2008
GO TO YOUTUBE AND MAKE COMMENTS IF YOU WANT TO. THE OBAMA PEOPLE ARE OUT ON THE RAMPAGE
YouTube - What Does RFK's Assassination Have to Do with It? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vyFqmp4wzI)
It'll be old news by Monday. She said Robert Kennedy was assasinated in June. He was. No disrespect. She is just not the kind of conniving evil thinker that those who are jumping all over this are.
People are going to go about their Memorial Day business and ignore it. Smart people and people with lives, I mean. Not crazed Obamabots.
Alex01
05-24-2008, 12:15 AM
DID THEY SAY THE SMART PEOPLE ARE BO'S SUPPORTERS? Can't prove it by me.
Seriously, that's got to be one of those mixed up, weighted polls, because they consistently come across as mental midgets.
Alessandro Machi
05-24-2008, 12:17 AM
I probably will listen to it in the rebroadcast, but the guy is a ninny, and that is putting it lightly.
Dendy
05-24-2008, 12:17 AM
Statement from Robert Kennedy Jr.
Robert Kennedy Jr. issued the following statement this evening:
“It is clear from the context that Hillary was invoking a familiar political circumstance in order to support her decision to stay in the race through June. I have heard her make this reference before, also citing her husband's 1992 race, both of which were hard fought through June. I understand how highly charged the atmosphere is, but I think it is a mistake for people to take offense.”
CriticalOne
05-24-2008, 12:33 AM
As has already been said, this isn't something the Obama campaign is going to harp on. This was a clear "hit-and-run" where you hit your opponent and slink away. Again, the damage has been done, and that much the Obama campaign accomplished.
Alex01
05-24-2008, 12:52 AM
And another thing!:D
The Obamabots are just going crazy on this because they have...
NOTHING!!!
They are on the edge of a precipice, with humiliating defeat at the bottom, so naturally they're grasping at any straw. This, my friends, is their last-ditch effort to mean something.
And BO doesn't care that Hillary said this. I think David Axelrod, the unbelievable idiot, said, "You have to say you're furious about this! It will make her look bad!"
I think David isn't as good a marketer as some people, including himself, think he is. The proof's in the empty suit.
And another thing!:D
The Obamabots are just going crazy on this because they have...
NOTHING!!!
They are on the edge of a precipice, with humiliating defeat at the bottom, so naturally they're grasping at any straw. This, my friends, is their last-ditch effort to mean something.
And BO doesn't care that Hillary said this. I think David Axelrod, the unbelievable idiot, said, "You have to say you're furious about this! It will make her look bad!"
I think David isn't as good a marketer as some people, including himself, think he is. The proof's in the empty suit.
Correct.
They nave no material of substance to defeat Clinton with so they try and smear her with absolute nonsense. It's the behavior of a campaign (Obama campaign) in a downward spiral! Let's hope that campaign crashes soon!
Alex01
05-24-2008, 12:56 AM
I doubt it will do any damage. Only Obamabots will believe it was meant in meanness or worse. Everyone else is rolling their eyes.:rolleyes:
Karee Wyoming
05-24-2008, 12:56 AM
The interesting thing is that this is not the first time she has said this. Why didn't they get angry then?
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Not_the_first_time.html
Because they are deperate and trying to use anything to sway SD to give thier Cult leader the nomination, If they are so sure BO has it locked up they should just be ignoring anything Hillary says, I have never seen such sick people, but it is just fine that thier King sat in the crazy preachers church for 20 years, No way could anybody mis-interperate all the gaffs OB made on that one - I call them lies!!!! well add one more to Hillary, first she is a racist now she is a assasin!! McCain & people will take of O-Bama come Nov. and the O-Bama nuts will try to figure out what happened, I only hope they are all bloging and we will send them a nice ""I told you so "" letter.
As has already been said, this isn't something the Obama campaign is going to harp on. This was a clear "hit-and-run" where you hit your opponent and slink away. Again, the damage has been done, and that much the Obama campaign accomplished.
Yes, a classic hit-and-run smear job from the campaign of hate & hell! :eek:
As for damage, there really isn't too much "damage" they can cause Hillary at this point. They have already spent months trying to trash her so I don't think this will any difference. It's a desperate attack, the effects of which may last for a few days (like the Bosnia sniper story) but ultimately it has no relevance to anything.
Meanwhile, Obama's scandals are just waiting to be aired!
PAangelRN
05-24-2008, 12:56 AM
I don't understand why she apologized??? She was making a point about why she is still int he race by giving two other examples.
South Dakota paper could use your comments...since there a OBAMABOTS taking over the comments. HELP.
http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080523/FRONTPAGECAROUSEL/80522033
I posted:
All I saw was Senator Clinton stating a fact. Funny how the media, Obama and his supporters like to spin everything. What I heard were examples of when primary elections went into June. I do not see any reason why she should be sorry. Look it up in history books or google it. Kennedy was still campaigning in June. Pres. Clinton did not clinch the nomination until June. She was talking about why people have been for months trying to get her out of the race. Spin it all you like. Senator Clinton will get my vote everyday. Senator Obama on the other hand, I would vote for McCain or just stay home. At least I know Senator McCain loves our country! Obama casts doubts in my mind and in the minds of many other voters with his ties to terroristic people and attending an Anti-American church for 20 years. How were you feeling the sunday after 9/11?I doubt American were feeling like this!!
YouTube - Reverend Jeremiah Wright Blames the U.S. for 9/11 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=l9HUdF9OZa8&feature=related)
YouTube - Jeremiah Wright (http://youtube.com/watch?v=36T1fnIafC0)
greenleaf
05-24-2008, 01:09 AM
I keep thinking that Obama's campaign and the shameless media have gone too far and "jumped the shark" with this tactic of twisted accusations but it continues. It is all BS and the people will see it sooner or later, certainly before November.
Area504
05-24-2008, 01:20 AM
Just when I didn't think Obama supporters could sink any lower.
When I first read about the whole assassination comment controversy this afternoon, I truly didn't get how they could make something controversial out of Hillary's words...her meaning was clear to me... that those of us who are old enough to remember RFK's assassination remember that he was still on the campaign trail in California, and that it happened in June. That's all it was; at least, that's how I took her words.
I think you have to be pretty evil to read something else into it, but some of these people who are supporting Obama are vile to the point of barely being human anymore. I'm so sick of them.
How in the world can they think an intelligent woman who is running for President would say such a thing that they are suggesting she really meant? Don't they think she realizes what they would make of such an insensitive comment? Look at them -- they're going off the deep end, and that isn't even what she meant!!
I can't wait for the day that this man is officially out of the race. My neighbors will think I'm crazy because I'm going to break open a bottle of champagne and dance in the street!
FlaDem
05-24-2008, 01:28 AM
Oh, give me a break! I'm sickened yet again that BO's camp and his loyal MSM attack Hillary for no reason at all. They fabricate issues where none exist. She was just giving the facts, M'am. Just the facts. If BO had made the same observation people would be falling at his feet that he referenced RFK as a fallen political icon.
This is dirty politics right out of the Republicans playbook. And to think I was proud, up until now, to call myself a lifelong Democrat. So much for that.
AnnaB
05-24-2008, 01:50 AM
It's unbelievable how the media is spinning Hillary's factual comment about RFK.
Here is a partial list of BO's gaffes. Unlike Hillary RFK statement, these are true blunders! Of course the media barely mentions them. Feel free to use these in blogs and conversation, or where ever to expose BO.
Please let us know if you find more so we can add to this list.
A paritial list of BO's blunders:
1)In a much-quoted interview with the Atlantic, Obama was asked last week whether he thinks Israel is a "drag on America's reputation oversees."
Obama replied: "No, no, no. But what I think is that this constant wound, that this constant sore, does infect all of our foreign policy."
2)"Over the last 15 months, we've traveled to every corner of the United States. I've now been in 57 states? I think one left to go."
3)Last May, he claimed that tornadoes in Kansas killed a whopping 10,000 people: "In case you missed it, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died -- an entire town destroyed." The actual death toll: 12
4) Obama told a Portland crowd recently that Iran doesn't "pose a serious threat to us" -- cluelessly arguing that "tiny countries" with small defense budgets can't do us harm and then promptly flip-flopped the next day, claiming, "I've made it clear for years that the threat from Iran is grave."
5)Explaining last week why he was trailing Hillary Clinton in Kentucky, Obama again botched basic geography: "Sen. Clinton, I think, is much better known, coming from a nearby state of Arkansas. So it's not surprising that she would have an advantage in some of those states in the middle." On what map is Arkansas closer to Kentucky than Illinois?
6)Obama has as much trouble with numbers as he has with maps. Last March, on the anniversary of the Bloody Sunday march in Selma, Ala., he claimed his parents united as a direct result of the civil rights movement:
"There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Ala., because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born."
Obama was born in 1961. The Selma march took place in 1965. His spokesman, Bill Burton, later explained that Obama was "speaking metaphorically about the civil rights movement as a whole."
xfiles
05-24-2008, 01:59 AM
From Robert Kennedy:
Statement from Robert Kennedy Jr.: Re: Bobby Kennedy Comments
Statement from Robert Kennedy Jr.
Robert Kennedy Jr. issued the following statement this evening:
“It is clear from the context that Hillary was invoking a familiar political circumstance in order to support her decision to stay in the race through June. I have heard her make this reference before, also citing her husband's 1992 race, both of which were hard fought through June. I understand how highly charged the atmosphere is, but I think it is a mistake for people to take offense.”
I think it is offensive that the media won't report and ask Obama about his ties to terrorists, terrorist sympathizers, Hamas, Ayers, Auchi, Khalidi, etc.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=65066
That he won't take time to listen to our veterans who have asked him to:
http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/multimedia/details.aspx?id=278
These things are FAR more important than worrying about what Hillary said regarding the long race like the one her husband and Bobby Kennedy had and by which she did not mean what people are interpreting what she said to mean!
VotingHillary
05-24-2008, 01:59 AM
Meanwhile, CNN reported that Bobby Kennedy Jr. issued a statement that essentially vindicates Hillary from any wrong doing.
God bless the lone Kennedy still behaving as a living example of all that was great about the Kennedys that so many of us of "a certain age" remember.
He has been such a tremendous supporter and advocate for Hillary.
But rest assured, Olbermann will make this his mainstay until the next primary. What has happened to the "Fourth Estate" ..the media..in this country? They have forgotten the Golden Rule of journalism....impartial reporting of the news...not be a part of making the news.
I wonder what Edward R. Murrow would think of the current state of journalism in this country?:(
I wonder what Edward R. Murrow would think of the current state of journalism in this country?:(
Honestly, it's in a bad state. It's an international embaressment.
CriticalOne
05-24-2008, 02:07 AM
Yeah, the "Fourth Estate" is obviously in shambles. Someone needs to come along and renovate this old house.
greenleaf
05-24-2008, 10:11 AM
If the media believes that merely mentioning RFK and June 1968 is dangerous in this campaign season why did they spend all day drawing attention on the very subject? When Ted Kennedy ran for president the press continually brought up the assassinations of his brothers. The mere discussion was not banned. I call BS!
If the media believes that merely mentioning RFK and June 1968 is dangerous in this campaign season why did they spend all day drawing attention on the very subject? When Ted Kennedy ran for president the press continually brought up the assassinations of his brothers. The mere discussion was not banned. I call BS!
Of course it's B/S. It's not about logic and fairness. It's purely media sadism - they gain great pleasure in trying to destroy Hillary Clinton - through whatever means.
Alex01
05-24-2008, 01:13 PM
But rest assured, Olbermann will make this his mainstay until the next primary.
He will look like the biggest fool in America. Even bigger than he is now.
hillbilly4me
07-29-2008, 12:56 AM
Of course it's B/S. It's not about logic and fairness. It's purely media sadism - they gain great pleasure in trying to destroy Hillary Clinton - through whatever means.
Let us not forget how the media used their sexist words against Hillary and all women.This video shows that even the media who are sexist trys to speak for all men of how they feel of women.
This is your wife~ Your mother~~Your daughter~You grandmother and you sister that the media has used this presidential race to discredit all women ~ The media is well useing alll the great men who stands up for their wifes~ Mothers~daughters~grandmothers and your sister.
This is wrong!I love my wife~My mother~ My daughters~These men here are so hatefull~How can anyone of them who here say such a thing?What about their daughters!Wifes~Mothers~and siters.Is it hey go with it. I will not have anyone speak to my wife~Mother or daughter in this way!My grandmother was a hard working ,loving person.R.I.P Mema My grandfather was a loving man who stood by his wife and family.R.I.P Papa I love you!
With Mekki I believe that is her name sit their a listen to this.Really I guess her job means more to her then her family if she has a daughter,How could she allow this.It shows that her job is more inportant. Shame on you all at MSNBC!Shame.
Shame on the democratic party who allowed this as well as they are in with MSNBC to do this on all women and Hillary the best candidate we have.
YouTube - Sexism Sells -- But We're Not Buying It
Don’t waste your vote if it’sd not Hillary.Vote McCain~ Bennie Mac~ Obama didn’t stand up aginst his sexist ways as well.He said “Hey man I love you” What was that?
NOOBAMA !
BOYCOT MSNBC~MBC`ABC`TODAY SHOW~NIGHTLINE~DATELINE~ TODAY MORNING SHOW~TODAY SHOW ALL OF MSNBC STATIONS.WHY SHOULD WE KEEP THEIR RATEING UP?VOTE THEM OFF BOYCOT THEM
Alessandro Machi
08-01-2008, 04:25 AM
He will look like the biggest fool in America. Even bigger than he is now.
Almost a hundred Keith Olbermann postcards have already been mailed to various people in the media and the super delegates.
jcless
08-04-2008, 06:03 PM
Just received my postcards and I was delightfully surprised. They are really more beautiful than pictured and this was really fast service. Also, Thank You so very much for the Bonus cards.:):p:D;)
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