BO Exaggerated Great Uncle & Auschwitz

[califlefty]

Expect silence from the MSM as BO tells vets his "uncle helped liberate Auschwitz." At a rally yesterday the Dear Leader said: ...his uncle was part of the American brigade that helped to liberate Auschwitz. He said that it was family history and that, his uncle was so deeply affected by what he saw there he spent six months in an attic. “Now obviously, something had really affected him deeply, but at that time there just weren’t the kinds of facilities to help somebody work through that kind of pain.”

His uncle must have been quite a hero, since the American Army was fighting the Battle of the Bulge and hadn't yet crossed into Germany even, so he must have made it all the way across Germany alone, then into Poland and liberated the death camps, by himself! Just one problem with that scenario -- Auschwitz was liberated by the Soviet Army in January of 1945.

YouTube - Obama's uncle liberated Auschwitz?

[joeysky18]

Can you post a link please?

[Cooney]

Link, I want to spread this good news around for the Liar.

[califlefty]

here ya go: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/05/26/politics/fromtheroad/entry4127479.shtml

[joeysky18]

here ya go: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/05/26/politics/fromtheroad/entry4127479.shtml

Thanks. BO really makes things up as he goes along. Can you close your eyes and imagine where the country will be after 4 years of his government? I can't see anything good.

[JOY TO THE WORLD]

Glenn Beck was all on the lie this morning.

[Kbentleyis]

Can anyone research this? I'd surely like to know who and what his uncle and grandfather are.

Amazing! I would love to blow this story up! It could be one that says who lies... Bosnia?

[califlefty]

this is getting even crazier - ok, maybe he didn't mean Auschwitz but another camp? Well here is the interesting part - his mother is an only child so..... where did the uncle come from??? Kenya?????

[Bacio83]

^^^ It would have to have been one of his great uncles... and they would have to have been in the Soviet army. I remember my grandfather saying the American's went right over the concentration camps in planes.. the soviets were the one's on foot I believe.

[Amy Dugan]

got to get this to dobbs and hannity

[Musicdude]

So as a part of an American brigade, the uncle spent 6 months in an attic? AWOL during WWII. Obama has the unique ability to make 3 contradictions in just one statement. Dumbest graduate of Harvard -ever. :rolleyes:

[lanney]

Oh his typical white racist "whitey" family rescued Jews , same family who once owned slaves.:D

[PA_Voter]

Did BO or the blogger confuse "uncle" with "grandfather" since the first part of the paragraph was not in quotes? Perhapes "helped liberate" with "heard the stories of fellow troops"?


I'm inclined to think something is awry given BO supposedly stated in his 2002 war speech:

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton's army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain.

BO's 2002 speech as printed by blogger, Ana Lucia | April 21, 2008 9:59 PM:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/04/21/obama_responds_to_clinton_spot.html

[RachachaSharon]

this is getting even crazier - ok, maybe he didn't mean Auschwitz but another camp? Well here is the interesting part - his mother is an only child so..... where did the uncle come from??? Kenya?????

It would have been a great uncle. Time to look at his family tree.

[Dendy]

He doesn’t have an uncle. His mom was a only child. Did he make him up again?

[hillarymyhero]

Please, spread this as much as you can to expose this Obama liar more and more. OMG, he is for all white lies.....:D

So, guys do you want a pathological liar for white house? No absolutely NOT.

[hillarymyhero]

Obama always does fabrication for his power hungry wishes.......I won't call it a gaffe, it is a white lie , cold calculated ..........

[Bacio83]

He doesn’t have an uncle. His mom was a only child. Did he make him up again?

His great uncle we're thinking... since to have served in WW2 he would to have at least been born by 1925.

[califlefty]

Here is the registration dates of both his grandfather and grand uncle. Either they were home by the date of the Auschwitz liberation, or statistically, they would have been killed in battle.

Dunham, Ralph E. Inducted 28 May 1942, Army 37203549 Registered, order # 1180 Mound City, Linn Co. (Board # 1) Serial # also assigned to Lawrence W. Solomon

Dunham, Stanley A. Enlisted 18 June 1942, Army 17056069 Unregistered Augusta, Butler Co. (Board # 2)

[Catherine]

You're probably right that the media won't investigate Obama's faulty memory of his uncle's contribution in liberating Auschwitz. Months ago, I blogged heavily about Obama inflating his African father's resume when he was elected as President of the Harvard Law Review.

In an article in the N.Y. Times, dated Feb. 6, 1990, he claimed his father had been a finance minister in Kenya. Well, Finance Ministers are senior cabinet members - whether in an African or European government. It turns out his father was a bureaucrat, not the Finance Minister at all. One day when I blogged this at ABC - an Obama supporter kept up a running dialogue - even providing the reference to the article and information I hadn't seen anywhere else indicating that his father was a "senior economist" in Kenya. AT the time, I wondered if the blogger was a paid staff member - given his readiness with the citation and his vehemence.

"The new president of the Review is Barack Obama, a 28-year-old graduate of Columbia University who spent four years heading a community development program for poor blacks on Chicago's South Side before enrolling in law school. His late father, Barack Obama, was a finance minister in Kenya and his mother, Ann Dunham, is an American anthropologist now doing fieldwork in Indonesia. Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii"

It's interesting to me that he felt a need in an Ivy League setting to inflate his family background. He was 28 years old. Also, you'd think he might have mentioned that his father had also attended Harvard in this article. He didn't. Why?

[Tea toaD]

I've read in several places today that they are calling this a big lie. That's all that comes out this man's mouth. Lie after lie.
He needs to change his slogan to: Change we can choke on:rolleyes:

[mjno7777]

Well, the media played it over and over about BOSNIA. I guess he gets a fee pass but let's see that he does NOT.

[Dendy]

Sean Hannity is on it right now.

[Eddie3dfx]

Obamanochio..

Which uncle was this, rev meeks, wright, or uncle frank marshall?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3254/2309371071_3c4e079850.jpg

[mjno7777]

Obamanochio..

Which uncle was this, rev meeks, wright, or uncle frank marshall?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3254/2309371071_3c4e079850.jpg

I LOVE IT.

[kathyfl]

same question asked in another blog


Does anybody know which military Obama's uncle fought for?
Obama seems to have rewritten WWII history such that the allies liberated Auschwitz. (On Memorial Day!)


Here is the shocking video- YouTube - Obama's uncle liberated Auschwitz?

...Obama also spoke about his uncle, who was part of the American brigade that helped to liberate Auschwitz... http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/05/26/politics/fromth...

Referring to an uncle who had been one of the first U.S. troops into Auschwitz, the concentration camp, Obama said: "The story in the family is he came home and just went up in the attic." http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/26/oba...


Auschwitz of course is in Poland. It was liberated by the Red Army (Russian) on Jan 27 1945. Poland, on most maps is usually placed to the east of Germany.

The Allies were wrapping up the battle of the bulge in late January of 1945 -- the Rhine crossings were still well into the future when Auschwitz was liberated. The

first, the Remagen railway bridge which was discovered intact, was crossed on March 7 1945.


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And by the way, which Uncle? Obama's mom was an only child and his dad was Kenyan. Maybe he was referring to one of his mother's uncles?; presumably his grandfather

and grandmother had brothers of service age during WWII? And presumably the uncle in question was involved in the liberation of some other prison camp?



****far more questions than answers...if he is going to preachabout it.he had better have facts to back it up!

[indigo]

We have to blog this lie everywhere aand get it to the media. They had no problem persecuting Hillary. this is a big fat pandering lie from Obama.

[Santiago]

Blogging away!

[mjno7777]

GO TO WWW.FOXNEWS.COM It is now up on their web page.

[Gerry2008]

GO TO WWW.FOXNEWS.COM It is now up on their web page.

Here's a direct link to the story:
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/27/recollection-of-obama-familys-service-missing-key-details/

[Wyoming Dem]

Here's a direct link to the story:
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/27/recollection-of-obama-familys-service-missing-key-details/
Lets see how he likes being in "The Hot Seat" for miss-speaking (Hillary misspoke, Obama just lied.)

[Optixmom]

If we call this a "white" lie will we be branded as racists again?

[samkm]

Call it "white" lie.. if they dont like it, call it BO's colorful lie. Whatever the color, it is a lie.

[Frances]

distant cousin Cheney?

[samkm]

Oh yes, next he will say, he had to vote for Bush/Cheney bill because it had the name of one of his distant cousins.. and make sure that money went to oil companies.

So far, it has sent only $27 BILLION to the gas companies in tax break... and the number keeps going up.

[Artists4Hillary]

Only a desperate candidate raises the specter of the Holocaust for electoral gain.

YouTube - Obama's uncle liberated Auschwitz?

[Musicdude]

I predict he will say that he misspoke about which concentration camp it was, and that the uncle he is referring to is Ralph Dunham Jr. (his grandfather's brother). Even with that, I haven't found any verifiable info remotely related to Obama's version of the "story".

The fact remains, with the "Selma" gaffe and this one, how can he get the facts straight about current events when he can't get it straight on his own family. Plus, his knowledge of history is atrocious.

[wulf12]

Pathetic way to try and earn the respect of jewish voters.

[Donald]

"I had a uncle who was one of the, who was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz and liberate the concentration camps and the story in our family was is that when he came home, he just went up into the attic and he didn’t leave the house for six months," Obama said. "Now obviously something had really affected him deeply but at that time there just weren’t the kinds of facilities to help somebody work through that kind of pain." Barack Obama.

Okay, if this would have came from Hillary, the media would be all over this and calling her a liar..I think we should hit the msm blogs and return the favor. First he does not know how many states we have now he tells a huge lie about his family.....CNN political Ticker just posted this story...go blog.

[Musicdude]

Omg! I was right. CNN just announced Obama's clarification. It was just what I said above. They'll let him slide on this gaffe as well. But he still keeps saying things that try to give his family historical clout. And each time it just so happens he has the facts wrong. Purposeful liar, or incredibly stupid.

Edit.. It was his grandmother's brother, not his grandfather's brother.

[Donald]

FOX news is about to talk about this...We should not allow him off the hook. Their campaign tried to destroy Hillary, lets put on the pressure here...he lied.

[PA_Voter]

FOX news is about to talk about this...We should not allow him off the hook. Their campaign tried to destroy Hillary, lets put on the pressure here...he lied.
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Donald, tell us what Fox News said... please, I missed it!

[Donald]

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Donald, tell us what Fox News said... please, I missed it!

Its coming up...so if your tune in now, you will still catch it...Megan just said that this could be bigger than sniper-gate. Thats all so far.

[eyedoc333]

Omg! I was right. CNN just announced Obama's clarification. It was just what I said above. They'll let him slide on this gaffe as well. But he still keeps saying things that try to give his family historical clout. And each time it just so happens he has the facts wrong. Purposeful liar, or incredibly stupid.

Yup! I saw that explanation too-- wrong camp, great-uncle.

It reminds me of the Selma bit.

[Tea toaD]

And they had their nerve to give Hillary gruff over the RK stuff. This really is pathetic:(

[kathyfl]

Update::..........campaign spokesman Bill Burton

Obama's World War II history


Earlier, the Republican National Committee pounced on Obama's improbable statement that an uncle had served in the unit that liberated Auschwitz.

In fact, campaign spokesman Bill Burton says, his great uncle was a member of the 89th Infantry Division that liberated the Ohrduf camp, part of Buchenwald and according to the Holocaust Museum, the first concentration camp liberated by U.S. troops.

The soldier in question, Burton said, is Obama's grandmother's brother, who's still alive.


"Senator Obama’s family is proud of the service of his grandfather and uncles in World War II – especially the fact that his great uncle was a part of liberating one of the concentration camps at Buchenwald.

Yesterday he """"mistakenly referred to Auschwitz instead of Buchenwald """"in telling of his personal experience of a soldier in his family who served heroically," Burton says.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Obamas_World_War_II_history.html#comments

By Ben Smith 04:30 PM


yep another mistake......yet he'll get away with it.........because hes the "chosen one":(

[Donald]

Fox is saying this could cost him..wrong family member,wrong date, wrong army( unless his relative served for the Soviet Army).

RNC saying he made it up...Obama supporter saying it was just a little mistake. I say lets follow up on this...

[PA_Voter]

From BO's website: http://www.barackobama.com/2002/10/02/remarks_of_illinois_state_sen.php

Remarks of Illinois State Sen. Barack Obama Against Going to War with Iraq
| October 02, 2002
October 2, 2002

Good afternoon. Let me begin by saying that although this has been billed as an anti-war rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances. The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union, and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil. I don't oppose all wars.

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton's army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain. I don't oppose all wars.
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Need a history buff to comment on this: Is it appropriate to consider Soviet troops, "fellow troops"?

[Donald]

From BO's website: http://www.barackobama.com/2002/10/02/remarks_of_illinois_state_sen.php



Need a history buff to comment on this: Is it appropriate to consider Soviet troops, "fellow troops"?

Now he is saying that his grandfather heard the stories...thats a lot differant from it being his uncle...who went in...This is too big of a mistake..he was pandering and got caught.

His supporter on FOX said his grandfather had been involved in helping liberate other camps, not Auschwitz. He used this painful time in world history to try and win votes. Pathetic.

[Artists4Hillary]

He seems to forget the Russians liberated Aushwitz.

The Americans liberated the west ( Dachau) and the Russians the East.

He's a liar. No uncle of his was at Aushwitz. He needs to go back and take History 101.

[Donald]

There is another thread about this story...Obama exagerrates family....just in case you were wondering.

[Tea toaD]

He's a liar. No uncle of his was at Aushwitz


Agree!!

[joeysky18]

BBC has a good summary on the 1945: Auschwitz death camp liberated. The Red Army of Soviet liberated the camp on 27-Jan-1945. BBC also has a good timeline of what happened during the WWII.

No American soldiers would had a chance to come near Auschwitz during the course of the war, not even the european soldiers. So it will be quite for fetch for BO to claim that his great uncle heard the story from fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/january/27/newsid_3520000/3520986.stm

[Kbentleyis]

I remember when Hillary embellished her Bosnia story, some millitary (retired?) said she wasn't fit to put a wreath on the Unknown Soldier. Who isn't fit???? This lying a** should be nailed for these "gaffs".

[Donald]

Guys...we really need to blog about this on other sites..You see what the other side did with the innocent remarks about RFK..We actually have something here that plays to Obama's credibility. How on earth can this man be President if he doesn't know world history..and how many states are in the United States. I'm sorry Ive been out of School since 1985, and I know that the soviets liberated Auschwitz...and I am not running for President..I am just a un-educated Hillary supporter.

[Tea toaD]

RNC saying he made it up...Obama supporter saying it was just a little mistake. I say lets follow up on this...


His Waterloo maybe? Things are getting way out of control with his statements. It's plain crazy anymore:eek:

[joeysky18]

Guys...we really need to blog about this on other sites..

Good point Donald. Go Get'em.

[PA_Voter]

Now he is saying that his grandfather heard the stories...thats a lot differant from it being his uncle...who went in...This is too big of a mistake..he was pandering and got caught.

His supporter on FOX said his grandfather had been involved in helping liberate other camps, not Auschwitz. He used this painful time in world history to try and win votes. Pathetic.
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NO HE SAID IN 2002 HIS GRANDFATHER HEARD THE STORIES.... So unless it's appropriate to call Soviets "fellow troops", BO's history has been distorted for the past 6 years!

[RachachaSharon]

It's pretty clear that this isn't a story talked about by family for years and years. It sounds like it was made up. He'd have the details down if it were something the family discussed. My dad served in WWII and he only talked about the funny stuff, and there was plenty of that. We kids know that stuff inside and out. He just never talked about what he saw or did in combat - and he saw plenty of that. I think that's pretty common. Of course, nothing we've seen or heard about BO would lead me to believe he has been given much family history.

[Donald]

Here is another example of media bias for you..Went over to CNN Political Ticker to blog about this...The comments have been closed after about 100 comments. CNN left open the Hllary blog for well over 400 entries. This has been something I have watched over the lst 3 months. Any negatice story about Obama is shut done fast, while Obama supporters are allowed to blog like crazy on anti-Hillary stories.

Guess I will have to find somewhere else to blog about his "mistake". The point is as President, he can not afford to not know about world history. I see no mistake, since his speeches are pre-written and its obvious he was using Auschwitz connection for political gain.

[Artists4Hillary]

^^^ It would have to have been one of his great uncles... and they would have to have been in the Soviet army. I remember my grandfather saying the American's went right over the concentration camps in planes.. the soviets were the one's on foot I believe.

The Americans liberated the West eg: Dachau. The Soviets the East.

[Bacio83]

The Americans liberated the West eg: Dachau. The Soviets the East.

Yeah in 1945 as the war was ending... and after the war.. sorry I was talking about during the war the 1943-44.

[joeysky18]

My dad served in WWII and he only talked about the funny stuff, and there was plenty of that.

My grandfather, my 3 uncles and my dad were also in the army and the navy. And they NEVER talked about anything bad happened during the wars that they went. Never!

My dad never talked about how his mates died. He only talked about the funny stuff too: like one guy would put a spoon of coffee & sugar into his mouth then follow by the water when they didn't have time to boil hot water. He will discuss the subject on the angle of history. But he never went specific into details of the thing that he saw.

[carmaken]

His great uncle we're thinking... since to have served in WW2 he would to have at least been born by 1925.

My father was a WWII veteran, was born in 1926, was 17 when he enlisted in the Navy in 1943. Dad had to lie to get in, it was not out of the norm at the time; the feelings of patriotism were high. (He is now dead.)

If this turns out to be a lie, I will be highly offended as the daughter of true WWII veteran, that a person aspiring to be President would make up stories to create a "sense" of serving in the military for himself; or family.

I will blog everything I can think of and so should anyone else on the forum who has had relatives who have served.

[Bacio83]

My father was a WWII veteran, was born in 1926, was 17 when he enlisted in the Navy in 1943. Dad had to lie to get in, it was not out of the norm at the time; the feelings of patriotism were high. (He is now dead.)

If this turns out to be a lie, I will be highly offended as the daughter of true WWII veteran, that a person aspiring to be President would make up stories to create a "sense" of serving in the military for himself; or family.

I will blog everything I can think of and so should anyone else on the forum who has had relatives who have served.

My Graps was the same 17 when entered the navy too I think he was a gunney off of Guam..... he didn't have to lie though he had his Mom sign the slip :) She cried the entire time... but he wanted to go so bad.

[Donald]

My father was a WWII veteran, was born in 1926, was 17 when he enlisted in the Navy in 1943. Dad had to lie to get in, it was not out of the norm at the time; the feelings of patriotism were high. (He is now dead.)

If this turns out to be a lie, I will be highly offended as the daughter of true WWII veteran, that a person aspiring to be President would make up stories to create a "sense" of serving in the military for himself; or family.

I will blog everything I can think of and so should anyone else on the forum who has had relatives who have served.

We should all honor the sacrafice of your father...This world would be quite different without the brave souls like him.

I think for many of us this is why this election is so important..We don't need an inexperianced man in the White House. God forbid, we face horrors now as bad as WWII...We need a strong,smart leader.

I beg all of you...blog about this...

[carmaken]

Dad served in the Pacific theatre, came home in 1945, died of cancer in 2001.
But he had been stationed off of Nagasaki (offshore) after the second atomic bomb was dropped, and the Cancer Drs. speculate that the start of his cancer may have began while breathing in the radiation contaminated air.

LOL, I would certainly not want to lie on behalf of my Dad.

Thank you.

[Donald]

Dad served in the Pacific theatre, came home in 1945, died of cancer in 2001.
But he had been stationed off of Nagasaki (offshore) after the second atomic bomb was dropped, and the Cancer Drs. speculate that the start of his cancer may have began while breathing in the radiation contaminated air.

LOL, I would certainly not want to lie on behalf of my Dad.



Thank you.Anyone that served in that war, those who came home, and those who didn't deserve our respect. Your father was a hero for just going.

We should not have a political candidate using facts to pander for jewish votes.

[carmaken]

It's pretty clear that this isn't a story talked about by family for years and years. It sounds like it was made up. He'd have the details down if it were something the family discussed. My dad served in WWII and he only talked about the funny stuff, and there was plenty of that. We kids know that stuff inside and out. He just never talked about what he saw or did in combat - and he saw plenty of that. I think that's pretty common. Of course, nothing we've seen or heard about BO would lead me to believe he has been given much family history.

Otherwise, why have we never heard it before? If he really wanted to connect with some older white women, he would have been relating these stories over a year ago, since older women are the wives, daughters and sisters of WWII vets.

This is almost funny.

[Mrs L]

Barack Obama’s campaign scrambled Tuesday to set the record straight about remarks the Democratic presidential candidate made on Memorial Day where he said his uncle helped liberate the Auschwitz death camp at the end of World War II.

There were two obvious problems with the tale: Auschwitz was liberated by the Soviet Army, and Obama’s American mother was an only child.

As the Republican National Committee seized on the discrepancies, Obama’s campaign clarified that the Illinois senator was actually referring to his “great uncle,” and that he had confused Auschwitz with another concentration camp. The campaign said he meant to refer to Ohrdruf, a sub-camp of the Buchenwald concentration camp in Germany.

“Senator Obama’s family is proud of the service of his grandfather and uncles in World War II — especially the fact that his great uncle was a part of liberating one of the concentration camps at Buchenwald,” Obama spokesman Bill Burton sad in a statement. “Yesterday he mistakenly referred to Auschwitz instead of Buchenwald in telling of his personal experience of a soldier in his family who served heroically.”

The campaign said his great uncle, Charlie Payne, served in the 89th Infantry Division, and that the unit was among those to liberate Ohrdruf on April 4, 1945.

According to the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum Web site, Ohrdruf was the first Nazi concentration camp liberated by U.S. troops in Germany. The site said the 89th Infantry Division was later recognized as a “liberating unit” by the museum and the Army’s Center of Military History.

The explanation from the Obama camp came after his remarks were put under the microscope by the RNC.

“Barack Obama’s dubious claim is inconsistent with world history and demands an explanation. It was Soviet troops that liberated Auschwitz, so unless his uncle was serving in the Red Army, there’s no way Obama’s statement yesterday can be true. Obama’s frequent exaggerations and outright distortions raise questions about his judgment and his readiness to lead as commander in chief,” said RNC Press Secretary Alex Conant.

The trouble started when Obama was speaking in Las Cruces, N.M., on Monday. He said he did not serve, but comes from a family that did sacrifice for the nation. He was speaking about the many members of the military who suffer post traumatic stress disorder and should be given better care.

“I had a uncle who was one of the, who was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz and liberate the concentration camps and the story in our family is that when he came home, he just went up into the attic and he didn’t leave the house for six months, right. Now obviously something had really affected him deeply but at that time there just weren’t the kinds of facilities to help somebody work through that kind of pain,” he said.

However, a quick check on the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum Web site showed that Soviet forces were the first to approach Auschwitz, which was in Poland.

“On Jan. 27, 1945, the Soviet army entered Auschwitz and liberated more than 7,000 remaining prisoners,” the site reads.

U.S. forces did liberate several camps, including Ohrdruf Concentration Camp on April 4, 1945; Mittelbau-Dora Concentration Camp on April 11, 1945; Buchenwald on April 12, 1945; Dachau on April 29, 1945; and Mauthausen on May 5, 1945.

Ohrdruf was, according to the Holocaust Museum, not an extermination camp but a work camp where prisoners were worked to death.

Obama was raised in part by his grandparents, and his father served in the second World War.

Click here to read the Holocaust Memorial Museum’s full list of U.S. liberating forces.

[Musicdude]

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[Kbentleyis]

Does anyone else notice: Not once has he mentioned our soldiers who have fought and are fighting who deserve so much thanks, etc. It is always about HIM. Always HIS family's sacrifice. Never thanks to those who have died and are fighting for freedom.

I'll say it again. The IDIOT!

[PuppyDogMom]

I'm sorry...did he say that his uncle came home from liberating Auschwitz, went to the attic, and didn't come out for 6 months?

Ahhhh...??

[SBSJR13]

LAS VEGAS – The family tree of Senator Barack Obama has been the subject of much discussion – and inspection – since he arrived on the national political stage four years ago.
In response to a question at a Memorial Day appearance in New Mexico, Mr. Obama said an uncle helped liberate the Nazi death camp at Auschwitz during World War II. The problem? That story didn’t track with history, considering Auschwitz was liberated by Soviet forces.
So on Tuesday, the campaign acknowledged the senator made a mistake and mentioned the wrong camp. It actually was Buchenwald, according to spokesman Bill Burton.

“Senator Obama’s family is proud of the service of his grandfather and uncles in World War II – especially the fact that his great uncle was a part of liberating one of the concentration camps at Buchenwald,” Mr. Burton said in a statement. “Yesterday he mistakenly referred to Auschwitz instead of Buchenwald in telling of his personal experience of a soldier in his family who served heroically.”
The correct story is that Mr. Obama’s great uncle, Charlie Payne – his grandmother’s brother – actually helped liberate Ohrdruf, a sub-camp of Buchenwald. Mr. Payne was a member of the 89th Infantry Division.
The Republican National Committee, which carefully tracks Mr. Obama’s statements, first distributed a copy of a story that questioned the Memorial Day claim.
In an unrelated matter, according to Election Central at Talking Points Memo, the Obama campaign has rejected the invitation made by Senator John McCain, to travel to Iraq.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/27/obamas-staff-corrects-wwii-story/

[Donald]

There is a lot more about this on another thread.....gets hard keeping up with two or three...Obama exagerrates uncle....

[Donald]

This thread already exist....can a moderator please merge these..its hard to keep track.

[Morgan]

Now he is saying that his grandfather heard the stories.[..thats a lot differant from it being his uncle...who went in...This is too big of a mistake..he was pandering and got caught.

His supporter on FOX said his grandfather had been involved in helping liberate other camps, not Auschwitz. He used this painful time in world history to try and win votes. Pathetic.


Next he'll be saying, his mother read it in a library book.

[Sandy in PA]

Lou Dobbs jsut did a piece on this latest lie.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Obama is the biggest fraud ever, and clearly couldn't pass Basic History 101 in college.

And lying about veterans in your family on Memorial Day is the ultimate pander!

[Musicdude]

But just look at the number of gaffes, lies, exaggerations and affiliations with racism, anti-Americanism, and corruption it takes to get endorsed by the DNC and superdelegates these days. Who would have imagined it, besides Al Capone?

[Donald]

Guys...I think we need to continue to go out and blog about this...even to those hateful Obama leaning sites...People need to see how Obama's lack of history and experiance is very dangerous for this country.

BLOG

[Wyoming Dem]

The Americans liberated the West eg: Dachau. The Soviets the East.
I REALLY had a Uncle that went in to Daschau. My Uncle was the crustiest, bad-ass kind of guy that ever lived and once, when I was about 25 I asked him about it (My mom had mentioned it to me.) He got tears in his eyes and he said "I can never talk about that.
So please don't ask me about it ever again."
To diminish the men who REALLY were there is the lowest kind of slime and the very epitome of political pandering. Obama is a pig.

[Amy Dugan]

OK, so Obama is stupid. 8 years of an idiot wasn't so bad was it? Ha

[Tim4Hillary]

Obama Gaffes Multiply
BY TAYLOR MARSH

It's getting ridiculous.

Three Pinocchios from the Washington Post. The good news? They had given him four.

"I had an uncle who was one of the, um, who was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz and liberate the concentration camps. And the story in our family is that when he came home he just went up in the attic and he didn't leave the house for six months." --Barack Obama, Memorial Day speech, Las Cruces, NM.

...and people wonder why Senator Obama isn't garnering raves from the Jewish community. They don't know him well enough to give this a pass.

I talked about this on my show, but didn't say much because I hadn't looked at Obama's statement closely enough. Now I have. The Red Army were the liberators. Obama also doesn't have an uncle. It evidently was his great uncle. However, getting the concentration camp wrong reveals a lack of sensitivity to an issue and a community that doesn't know Senator Obama well in the first place. Let's just say it's not helpful.

But should we not expect more from a Harvard-educated presidential candidate? Is it too much to ask that an aspiring commander-in-chief knows (1) that Auschwitz (like many of the other Nazi death camps) is in Poland, and (2) that the eastern advance of the U.S. Army in World War II stopped on the river Elbe?

We've been here before.

It's not like Senator Obama has a lot of credibility on national security issues to begin with.

www.taylormarsh.com

[xfiles]

Obama certainly has his family history screwed up! He just makes things up about this and many other things to suit him when necessary.

Why people can't see through this is just amazing!!

Barack Obama’s campaign scrambled Tuesday to set the record straight about remarks the Democratic presidential candidate made on Memorial Day where he said his uncle helped liberate the Auschwitz death camp at the end of World War II.

There were two obvious problems with the tale: Auschwitz was liberated by the Soviet Army, and Obama’s American mother was an only child.

As the Republican National Committee seized on the discrepancies, Obama’s campaign clarified that the Illinois senator was actually referring to his “great uncle,” and that he had confused Auschwitz with another concentration camp. The campaign said he meant to refer to Ohrdruf, a sub-camp of the Buchenwald concentration camp in Germany.

“Senator Obama’s family is proud of the service of his grandfather and uncles in World War II — especially the fact that his great uncle was a part of liberating one of the concentration camps at Buchenwald,” Obama spokesman Bill Burton sad in a statement. “Yesterday he mistakenly referred to Auschwitz instead of Buchenwald in telling of his personal experience of a soldier in his family who served heroically.”

The campaign said his great uncle, Charlie Payne, served in the 89th Infantry Division, and that the unit was among those to liberate Ohrdruf on April 4, 1945.

According to the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum Web site, Ohrdruf was the first Nazi concentration camp liberated by U.S. troops in Germany. The site said the 89th Infantry Division was later recognized as a “liberating unit” by the museum and the Army’s Center of Military History.

The explanation from the Obama camp came after his remarks were put under the microscope by the RNC.

“Barack Obama’s dubious claim is inconsistent with world history and demands an explanation. It was Soviet troops that liberated Auschwitz, so unless his uncle was serving in the Red Army, there’s no way Obama’s statement yesterday can be true. Obama’s frequent exaggerations and outright distortions raise questions about his judgment and his readiness to lead as commander in chief,” said RNC Press Secretary Alex Conant.

The trouble started when Obama was speaking in Las Cruces, N.M., on Monday. He said he did not serve, but comes from a family that did sacrifice for the nation. He was speaking about the many members of the military who suffer post traumatic stress disorder and should be given better care.

“I had a uncle who was one of the, who was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz and liberate the concentration camps and the story in our family is that when he came home, he just went up into the attic and he didn’t leave the house for six months, right. Now obviously something had really affected him deeply but at that time there just weren’t the kinds of facilities to help somebody work through that kind of pain,” he said.

However, a quick check on the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum Web site showed that Soviet forces were the first to approach Auschwitz, which was in Poland.

“On Jan. 27, 1945, the Soviet army entered Auschwitz and liberated more than 7,000 remaining prisoners,” the site reads.

U.S. forces did liberate several camps, including Ohrdruf Concentration Camp on April 4, 1945; Mittelbau-Dora Concentration Camp on April 11, 1945; Buchenwald on April 12, 1945; Dachau on April 29, 1945; and Mauthausen on May 5, 1945.

Ohrdruf was, according to the Holocaust Museum, not an extermination camp but a work camp where prisoners were worked to death.

Obama was raised in part by his grandparents, and his father served in the second World War.

Click here to read the Holocaust Memorial Museum’s full list of U.S. liberating forces.

[Donald]

The more we talk about this on other sites..the more likely the MSM will look at this and other gaffes....This is a good time before the final three to be out blogging.

[Morgan]

It's interesting to me that he felt a need in an Ivy League setting to inflate his family background. He was 28 years old. Also, you'd think he might have mentioned that his father had also attended Harvard in this article. He didn't. Why?


Either he didn't really go to Harvard (I believe he did at least for awhile) or he got in some kind of trouble so they didn't want his record checked.

[Donald]

We need to focus on this story...I think this is a huge blow to Obama...it calls into his character,his knowledge, his honesty, and his ability to lead this country when he lacks experiance.

[Wyoming Dem]

Either he didn't really go to Harvard (I believe he did at least for awhile) or he got in some kind of trouble so they didn't want his record checked.
Apparently, an "Ivy League" education is not what it used to be. No geography...Great Lakes Of Oregon. No civics (Poly Sci)-57 States That Vote..No History.. Wrong Country, Wrong Date, Wrong Relative And wrong Concentration Camp.. I guess all he learned was "The Law" and the many ways to break it, bend it and avoid proscution.

[xfiles]

How can we even believe the 2nd "corrected" story is true? It probably isn't. Just more lies piling up. How many is that now, about 100?

[Donald]

How can we even believe the 2nd "corrected" story is true? It probably isn't. Just more lies piling up. How many is that now, about 100?

Thats why its important that we talk about this and ask questions..How can a man so smart make so many mistakes......

[Amy Dugan]

Wake Up People

Superdelegates do NOT care if Obama is electable or can lead this nation. They want the MoveOn and Soros money for their own political future, OR they are so anti-Clinton they don't care about America's future

There will be a bunch of endorsements for Obama Weds

[Brooke]

I saw CNN cover this story. Sure they called it a "gaffe" but at least they talked about it. MSNBC is still talking about Hillary's RFK remarks (of course).

This comment was a disgrace to those of us whose ancestors died in the Holocaust.

[Donald]

I saw CNN cover this story. Sure they called it a "gaffe" but at least they talked about it. MSNBC is still talking about Hillary's RFK remarks (of course).

This comment was a disgrace to those of us whose ancestors died in the Holocaust.

Take this WWII story, add in Obama's mistakes on hate crimes...you have a storyline here that shows Obama lacks experiance...

And I agree. The supers could care less. However..there are some still holding out and their vote is not final until the convention....Don't give up.

[Linda C]

Obama frequently confuses his grandfather and often calls him his father. His grandfather did raise him for the most part...so the confusion and with the great uncle I am not concerned about.

HIs grandfather was a WWII vet and was somewhat traumatized from his experience as many were....didn't know about the great uncle. Wewil have to see if the great uncle did indeed liberate the concentration camp.

Yes there were many combat vets in my family including the Battan death march

[Donald]

Obama frequently confuses his grandfather and often calls him his father. His grandfather did raise him for the most part...so the confusion and with the great uncle I am not concerned about.

HIs grandfather was a WWII vet and was somewhat traumatized from his experience as many were....didn't know about the great uncle. Wewil have to see if the great uncle did indeed liberate the concentration camp.

Yes there were many combat vets in my family including the Battan death march

There is no confusion here...sorry...You don't confuse Auschwitz..You don't confuse the United States Army with the Soviet Army... You don't confuse you grandfather with your uncle....unless your making up a story........Sorry.He was pandering to a particular audience.. If I have to listen all weekend to how Hillary wants to kill Obama, when its not even close to what she said...you better believe I am concerned about this...

[Mrs L]

Monday, May 26, 2008
Zombie Time!... Obama Sees Dead People at New Mexico Speech (Video)

Is it Memorial Day or Halloween?...
The gaffe master is now seeing dead people in his audience.

And, the Barack Obama Campaign actually posted video of this latest Obama gaffe on YouTube.

This time Barack Obama is seeing America's fallen heroes in his audience in New Mexico:


Spooky!
Barack Obama opens up his Memorial Day speech in Las Cruces, New Mexico:

On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.
Let's hope that he didn't see any fallen heroes in the audience!
Add, this to the growing list of Obama gaffes.

But... Although the video is posted on YouTube the gaffe was scrubbed from his website.

[xfiles]

Another thing to consider and blog -- send to super delegates (see my signature) is in addition to all his gaffes, HE DOES NOT SEEM TO NOTICE AND CORRECT HIMSELF ON THE SPOT!

Now, suppose he is talking to a world leader and makes some sort of huge gaffe. What will this do to relationships with both our friends and enemies??

It will create HUGE problems and misunderstandings.

He is careless, clueless and possibly seriously ill or stoned and this is absolutely NOT what we want or should have in a president!

[Donald]

Another thing to consider and blog -- send to super delegates (see my signature) is in addition to all his gaffes, HE DOES NOT SEEM TO NOTICE AND CORRECT HIMSELF ON THE SPOT!

Now, suppose he is talking to a world leader and makes some sort of huge gaffe. What will this do to relationships with both our friends and enemies??

It will create HUGE problems and misunderstandings.

He is careless, clueless and possibly seriously ill or stoned and this is absolutely NOT what we want or should have in a president!

I think its important to not let him talk his way out of this...You know if this was Hillary..the media would be 24 hour non-stop on this.

[Mrs L]

BLOG ON MANY PAGES ON USA TODAY.COM

THE OBAMA SUBJECT IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW

[Donald]

CNN is so in Obama's pocket...they are so soft on this...saying he just mixed up his words...

[Donald]

Got to go...Hope you guys keep this story alive..

Don

[Eddie3dfx]

Anyone who knows history, knows Auschwitz was the largest concentration camp in Southern Poland and is discussed more than any other part of the Holocaust.

If this story was repeatedly discussed by his family, then he should of been spot on by the name, especially if Auschwitz was never mentioned.
Buchenwald and Auschwitz don't have any name commonalities.

This was the second time he used this comment to his poltical advantage and had it been the americans who liberated auschwitz, he would of used it a third time and a forth time had he not gotten caught.

A gaffee is saying something incorrectly that others know, not family history that only he and his family would know.

This was a lie and even worse, he used Auschwitz because its more well known than Buchenwald and would create greater sympathy for his proud military family (A perception he is TRYING to create around him to combat Mccains service)

I cry major b*lls**t from Obama on this one.

[Gerry2008]

I am just too struck by Sen. Obama's Uncle Charlie, who stayed in the attic and Governor Jack Stanton's Uncle Charlie in the movie "Primary Colors" who, upon returning home from the war, "just laid down on his couch and smoked his Luckies.''

[hillgal]

i think the jews should cause a media frenzy because obama brought up a painful historical moment in time and got the facts wrong. i think they should say he shouldn't be president, he should leave the race, he lost any shot at being veep etc.

this is how ludicrous it was of the obama campaign to start a media frenzy over hillary's rfk remark.

[debstew]

Obama has always referred to his mother as a typical white person. My question would be why would he refer to his mothers side and his fathers side well they are all Kenyan. So if this is true or not referring to great uncle is even highly questionable. This is just the beginning. I just hope Hillary takes this to the convention. I think by then this person called Obama will be an absolute wreck and I think at that time she will be able to convince delegates and superdelegates that she is the best candidate.

[mjno7777]

I am just too struck by Sen. Obama's Uncle Charlie, who stayed in the attic and Governor Jack Stanton's Uncle Charlie in the movie "Primary Colors" who, upon returning home from the war, "just laid down on his couch and smoked his Luckies.''

So he combined his uncle charlie with a movie.

Here is the data on his Uncle Charlie (great Uncle)

Charles PAYNE and Della WOLFLEY married 14 January 1889 in Johnson County, Kansas and had the following children:

i. Lillie PAYNE born about Dec 1889
14 ii. Rolla Charles PAYNE

soooooooooooo he would be how old???

[suerw]

Monday, May 26, 2008
Zombie Time!... Obama Sees Dead People at New Mexico Speech (Video)

Barack Obama opens up his Memorial Day speech in Las Cruces, New Mexico:

On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.
Let's hope that he didn't see any fallen heroes in the audience!
Add, this to the growing list of Obama gaffes.



He said WHAT?? Well, not surprised. ... He may have seen heroes, but unless he was more delusional than usual, not "fallen heroes." .... How can anyone vote for someone who makes an a** of himself in public repeatedly? Not, of course to mention all the other substantive reasons for not voting for him!!

[suerw]

So he combined his uncle charlie with a movie.

Here is the data on his Uncle Charlie (great Uncle)

Charles PAYNE and Della WOLFLEY married 14 January 1889 in Johnson County, Kansas and had the following children:

i. Lillie PAYNE born about Dec 1889
14 ii. Rolla Charles PAYNE

soooooooooooo he would be how old???

Hmmm, if this is the great uncle in question, let's see. It's 56 years between 1889 and 1945. Assuming uncle Charlie was about 20 when he married Della, I figure he'd have been 76 in 1945. .... Either I'm way off here or this cannot be the uncle (great uncle) who was in WWII. ....

[suerw]

Another thing to consider and blog -- send to super delegates (see my signature) is in addition to all his gaffes, HE DOES NOT SEEM TO NOTICE AND CORRECT HIMSELF ON THE SPOT!

Now, suppose he is talking to a world leader and makes some sort of huge gaffe. What will this do to relationships with both our friends and enemies??

It will create HUGE problems and misunderstandings.

He is careless, clueless and possibly seriously ill or stoned and this is absolutely NOT what we want or should have in a president!

Excellent point. This reinforces my argument to Democrats here who support Obama. He is not competent to be the Commander-in-Chief of our country.

[CGP]

Expect silence from the MSM as BO tells vets his "uncle helped liberate Auschwitz." At a rally yesterday the Dear Leader said: ...his uncle was part of the American brigade that helped to liberate Auschwitz. He said that it was family history and that, his uncle was so deeply affected by what he saw there he spent six months in an attic. “Now obviously, something had really affected him deeply, but at that time there just weren’t the kinds of facilities to help somebody work through that kind of pain.”

His uncle must have been quite a hero, since the American Army was fighting the Battle of the Bulge and hadn't yet crossed into Germany even, so he must have made it all the way across Germany alone, then into Poland and liberated the death camps, by himself! Just one problem with that scenario -- Auschwitz was liberated by the Soviet Army in January of 1945.

Who needs facts?! Obama certainly doesn't! How many "untruths" (aka LIES) told during this campaign? It's simply astonishing what lenghts he will go to in order to fabricate and/or misrepresent the true quality of his candidacy.

[ZY123]

I read the title of this thread and was thoroughly disgusted without even bothering to read the details. It's obvious what group Obama was targeting with this latest lie and his actions are abhorrent.

[CGP]

I read the title of this thread and was thoroughly disgusted without even bothering to read the details. It's obvious what group Obama was targeting with this latest lie and his actions are abhorrent.

Narcissism knows no bounds.

Obama will, seemingly, stop at nothing to cheat his way to the nomination based on what we have seen over the last 6 months.

[seawave]

If BO is going to make a statement about something so horrible as the Nazi Concentration Camps he should at least get it right. What happened to knowledge of Poland and Germany.There has been several comments about this. Here is the facts. Most by now know that Ohrdruf was a forced labor camp a sub-camp of the Buchenwald concentration camp in Germany. Bill Burton said that BO's great uncle served in the 89th Infantry Division that overran Orhdruf on April 4, 1945. On April 4, 1945 the 4th Army Division of General Patton's US Third Army discovered the abandoned Ohrdruf forced labor camp while in search of a secret Nazi communications center. There were still victims of this horror in the camp. Captain Alois Liethen from Appleton WI documented in letters,documents and photograghs information on Ohrdruf. April 11, 1945 soldiers liberated Buchenwald concentration camp. Out of respect to the memories of these victims they should at least get the facts right.

[xfiles]

I don't think there is a great uncle who fought in the war at all. I think he made the whole thing up.

It doesn't sound like something his family would be talking about for some reason.

[underpaidnurse]

Expect silence from the MSM as BO tells vets his "uncle helped liberate Auschwitz
well MSNBC mentioned it once this morning as Mika stomped her foot and acted petulant when an email came in questioning why she wouldn't and she was in the tank for Obama. She said fine, I'll mention it and then they went on bashing bloggers and then everyone agreed that it was a non story and everyone is just tired on the campaign trail and the media just needs to draw a line when to pile on.

[mjoynaples]

Mike Barnacle is a barnacle... he slams us so they do not have to take the heat... give me a brake and then they bring on the AA to diss this story and yet he admits if "Senator Clinton had said this it would go on for days" ya because you would continue to misspeak it... and here BO is extended campaign fatigue ... omg!!! I CANNOT STAND THESE PEOPLE and their koolaid drinking campaign...after what they just did to Clinton on RFK and assasination in connection with you know who (let's someone misconstue my point!)

YOU KNOW what is going to be sweet??? VICTORY at the convention and HRC's nomination and WINNING IN GENERAL ELECTION WHOOOOOA!!!

can someone tell me the exact dates of the convention in COLORADO???

[joeysky18]

I don't think there is a great uncle who fought in the war at all. I think he made the whole thing up.

It doesn't sound like something his family would be talking about for some reason.

BO made a reference to Auschwitz in his 2002 speech against Iraq war. At that time it was his grandfather who heard about Auschwitz.

Obama 2002 speech

"Good afternoon. Let me begin by saying that although this has been billed as an anti-war rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances.

The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through
the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union, and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil. I don't oppose all wars.

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton's army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain.

I don't oppose all wars."

In 2008, the story changed from grandfather to uncle. But this time his uncle not just heard about Auschwitz. BO said his uncle actually went to Auschwitz.

"..an uncle who was one of the..ah..who's part of the first American troops to go to Auschwitz and liberate the concentration camp."

You be the judge if this is an innocent mistake or a deliberate act to exaggerate family history for political gain.

First, parents participated and met at MLK march. - lie.
Second, father benefited from JFK chartered flight. - lie.
Third, uncle liberated the infamous death camp. - lie.

[Ohio mom]

Hmmm, if this is the great uncle in question, let's see. It's 56 years between 1889 and 1945. Assuming uncle Charlie was about 20 when he married Della, I figure he'd have been 76 in 1945. .... Either I'm way off here or this cannot be the uncle (great uncle) who was in WWII. ....

HAHAHAHAHA...wow..what a buffoon!!! I really believes the lies he spews doesn't he...no teleprompters huh???? :D

[Ohio mom]

BO made a reference to Auschwitz in his 2002 speech against Iraq war. At that time it was his grandfather who heard about Auschwitz.

Obama 2002 speech



In 2008, the story changed from grandfather to uncle. But this time his uncle not just heard about Auschwitz. BO said his uncle actually went to Auschwitz.



You be the judge if this is an innocent mistake or a deliberate act to exaggerate family history for political gain.

First, parents participated and met at MLK march. - lie.
Second, father benefited from JFK chartered flight. - lie.
Third, uncle liberated the infamous death camp. - lie.

did his uncle save "Private Ryan" too???:eek:

[xfiles]

OK! Everyone needs to blog this, send to supers, MSM, etc.

This is PROOF he outright lied.

Suddenly his grandfather who heard stories becomes an uncle who actually liberted Auschwitz.

Excellent!!

BO made a reference to Auschwitz in his 2002 speech against Iraq war. At that time it was his grandfather who heard about Auschwitz.

Obama 2002 speech



In 2008, the story changed from grandfather to uncle. But this time his uncle not just heard about Auschwitz. BO said his uncle actually went to Auschwitz.



You be the judge if this is an innocent mistake or a deliberate act to exaggerate family history for political gain.

First, parents participated and met at MLK march. - lie.
Second, father benefited from JFK chartered flight. - lie.
Third, uncle liberated the infamous death camp. - lie.

[cancelledbysbc]

Morning Crew Cover Up For Barack Obama Lie !

Barack Obama Auschwitz Cover-Up

:D

[joeysky18]

Another point American joined the WWII in 1942. So his uncle has to be at least 86 years old to participate in the war. That will make his uncle as old as his grandparents.

[PA_Voter]

Another point American joined the WWII in 1942. So his uncle has to be at least 86 years old to participate in the war. That will make his uncle as old as his grandparents.
---------
It's supposedly his GREAT-Uncle... So age s/b okay and Obama's Camp says:

"Senator Obama's family is proud of the service of his grandfather and uncles in World War II - especially the fact that his great uncle was a part of liberating one of the concentration camps at Buchenwald. Yesterday he mistakenly referred to Auschwitz instead of Buchenwald in telling of his personal experience of a soldier in his family who served heroically," said Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton this afternoon in a statement, which also clarified that the great-uncle "Served in the 89th Infantry Division that Liberated Ohrdruf, a Subcamp of Buchenwald, the First Camp Liberated by Americans, on April 4, 1945."

NO ONE SEEMS TO BE BITING ON THIS, BUT I HAVE TO ASK about his grandfather.... In BO's "famous" 2002 anti-war speech posted on BO's own website. Here's my email I sent to Hannity & Colmes at Fox News yesterday asking them to address it:

Dear Mr. Hannity and Mr. Colmes:

I admit that I'm not a history buff, but I thought I remembered something in
Senator Obama's 2002 anti-war speech that struck a cord when I was reading
about his recent "misspeak". On Senator Obama's website, he has posted his
speech (link:
http://www.barackobama.com/2002/10/02/remarks_of_illinois_state_sen.php )
that starts with:

Remarks of Illinois State Sen. Barack Obama Against Going to War with Iraq
| October 02, 2002
October 2, 2002

Good afternoon. Let me begin by saying that although this has been billed as
an anti-war rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war
in all circumstances. The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and
yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of
multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union, and drive the scourge
of slavery from our soil. I don't oppose all wars.

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed,
fought in Patton's army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of
Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz
and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that
arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain.
I don't oppose all wars. ....

So the sentence concerning his grandfather telling him that "he heard the
stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz...", makes me wonder if
he really misspoke or is truly confused about our history for the past 6
years.... If it is not appropriate to address "Soviets" as "fellow troops",
or if his grandfather's fellow troops were never around Auschwitz, then he
needs a history lesson ASAP as his "misspeaking" may have began in October
2002 and not May 2008.

...Thank you.

Sincerely,

[MY NAME]

IF ANYONE HEARS ANYTHING ON THIS PART, I'd love to be updated. Thanks!

[Spagpusher]

This blog is working on it, too. Says Uncle Charlie was in the Navy, not the Army ....


http://riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2008/05/a-new-problem-f.html

[PA_Voter]

Morning Crew Cover Up For Barack Obama Lie !

Barack Obama Auschwitz Cover-Up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN_HG9dE8Io)

:D
__________-
Okay, so this guy says it's is grandfather that went to the attic and NOT his Great-Uncle which Obama's Bill Burton just said... HIS 2002 speech must be addressed specifically mentioning Grandfather/Auschwitz BACK IN 2002!

[Bacio83]

This blog is working on it, too. Says Uncle Charlie was in the Navy, not the Army ....


http://riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2008/05/a-new-problem-f.html

Both Charles W. Payne's went into the navy. :)

All the infantries that liberated the Concentration camps from the US are listed here... :)

None are from the Navy all are Army divisions. Just saying.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10006161

[Bacio83]

Well according to this website (I wonder how much money they got in donations for the OB camp)

Charles was there...

http://www.89infdivww2.org/


Concerning the service of Mr. Charles Payne: C.T. Payne was a soldier in the 89th Infantry Division. He served in the 355th Infantry Regiment, Company K. The 355th Infantry Regiment was the unit to liberate Ohrdruf. Mr. Payne was there

Except I searched all Army records and no Charles Payne was in the army from Kansas during WW2... so maybe he wasn't registered in Kansas?

[RachachaSharon]

Dad served in the Pacific theatre, came home in 1945, died of cancer in 2001.
But he had been stationed off of Nagasaki (offshore) after the second atomic bomb was dropped, and the Cancer Drs. speculate that the start of his cancer may have began while breathing in the radiation contaminated air.

LOL, I would certainly not want to lie on behalf of my Dad.

Thank you.

My dad was all over Europe. When he returned to the States he was getting ready to ship out to the Pacific when the war ended. My dad and 5 uncles served in WWII. My brother and husband served VietNam era. Fortunately, they didn't go to VietNam, but we know many who did, some of whom perished. My dad died in 1984 at age 66. My baby sister, who was a member of the CCU/ICU team at the Buffalo VA Hospital, told me that my dad's generation was very ill. They were exposed to all manner of things and who could have known what the long-term affects would be.

Hillary suffered a lapse of memory regarding Bosnia. If BO is lying, he's guilty of complete fabrication and should be confronted. The sacrifice of generations demands it.

[RachachaSharon]

Hmmm, if this is the great uncle in question, let's see. It's 56 years between 1889 and 1945. Assuming uncle Charlie was about 20 when he married Della, I figure he'd have been 76 in 1945. .... Either I'm way off here or this cannot be the uncle (great uncle) who was in WWII. ....

Maybe it was WWI - 1916-1918

[Morgan]

Well according to this website (I wonder how much money they got in donations for the OB camp)

Charles was there...

http://www.89infdivww2.org/




Except I searched all Army records and no Charles Payne was in the army from Kansas during WW2... so maybe he wasn't registered in Kansas?


It's strange why a website as extensive as this wouldn't list the names of the servicemen. Have they been scrubbed?

[Bacio83]

It's strange why a website as extensive as this wouldn't list the names of the servicemen. Have they been scrubbed?

I thought the same thing... but many of the archives were destroyed in a fire.... I don't know what else to say. I thought it'd be a nice touch to add the names of the men who were there. Oh well.

[Morgan]

I forgot where but the list is posted and looks like it came from that site.

[floorrunner]

Glenn Beck blasted Obama about this on his TV show tonight.