Associated Press & the MSM is Working Overtime To Suppress Voters Today - Please Report All Voter Suppression Efforts by the MSM in this Thread!***Now We Know They Are Just Lies

[kyforhillary]

They say she will acknowledge that he has enough delegates for the nomination. So what does that mean?

[desmagee88]

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i23h4XqvR0Ph96aWYyZ4PgI54YCwD912KCG80

This is the link

[Kaylin]

hi, I'm just hearing the same thing on Fox. sounds like a very careful wording on her part...she will acknowledge that he has the number of delegates needed for the nomination, but that's it.

[joeysky18]

They say she will acknowledge that he has enough delegates for the nomination. So what does that mean?

Can we stop listening to MSM please? We can't believe anything they said.

[Marie]

Lmao

[HILLARYCLINTONRULES]

LOL I hope the rumor that the Whitey Tape will come out tommorow is true

Won't they be in for an unpleasant surprise :cool:

[Tea toaD]

I wish I could be put in suspended animation until August:confused:

[joeysky18]

Lmao

How many times the campaign has to deny it? Yesterday they have to say it by 4 different people and 4 different ways that Hillary will not drop out.

And MSM do it again today.

[mjoynaples]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO please noooo please tell me the USA superdelegates are not all Anti-American and think it is right to steal votes from people where is that damn tape of MO stop this please NO

[KYWildcatFan]

ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!! We all know the MSM is full of BULL. For goodness sake turn off the stupid stuff. Only Hillary's words and actions matter.

[CGP]

Can we stop listening to MSM please? We can't believe anything they say.

I am glad one person understands this. :rolleyes:

[Brooke]

Guys, calm down. This doesn't mean anything. She's going to acknowledge he has the delegates but she's not going to call him the nominee. The media is spinning this to make it look like she's calling it quits.

This changes nothing. Stop and listen. Hillary is not giving up.

[Spagpusher]

I think this one is true. BUT!! ............

I think the party is actually just about to start. The Clinton's are up to something. Watch the wordings here, folks ... and don't give up on her! She knows her stuff. She's been in deep strategies all morning and she's going to play this out in the way that it will all work out in her favor.

KEEP THE FAITH !!

[CGP]

The superdelegates vote in August.

Until then there is no official nominee. A "presumptive" nominee is not an "official" nominee.

Case closed.

[i hate nbc and cnn]

there twisting her words loving that she is "quitting" screw the media

[PrincesseJen]

I'm starting to think this is a good strategy on Hillary's part. Just like how Obama concedes states he knows he's going to lose, Hillary may be admitting he'll have the delegates so it won't come as a surprise. However, she has not conceded the nomination. Superdelegates can change they're minds and they don't vote until the convention where she can make her case. Also (God willing) they're might be that oh so special bomb. :cool:

[zoomtm]

Just saw this on the View. They got this information from AP. Discuss...

[Musicdude]

Terry McAuliffe on CNN right now. Says the AP report is.. 100% WRONG. Nothing has changed!

[Brooke]

Guys..

Terry was JUST on CNN and he said this story is "NOT TRUE". He said he doesn't know who the officials are but he said she is not planning on saying anything like this tonight!!

[Mrs L]

why Are They Announcing Right Now Hillary Is Conceding Tonight That Obama Has Enough Delegates And She Is Not Going To Apeal.

Why Why Why

Why Now When People Are Still Voting???????????????????

[PrincesseJen]

Terry McAuliffe on CNN right now. Says the AP report is 100% WRONG. Nothing has changed!

Thank God they're being quick about reacting to the AP BS!

[i hate nbc and cnn]

why Are They Announcing Right Now Hillary Is Conceding Tonight That Obama Has Enough Delegates And She Is Not Going To Apeal.

Why Why Why

Why Now When People Are Still Voting???????????????????

BECAUSE THE PRESS ARE A BUNCH OF A$$HOLES

[foxyladi]

I'm starting to think this is a good strategy on Hillary's part. Just like how Obama concedes states he knows he's going to lose, Hillary may be admitting he'll have the delegates so it won't come as a surprise. However, she has not conceded the nomination. Superdelegates can change they're minds and they don't vote until the convention where she can make her case. Also (God willing) they're might be that oh so special bomb. :cool:
BOMBS AWAY BOYS

[Charlie Brown]

ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!! We all know the MSM is full of BULL. For goodness sake turn off the stupid stuff. Only Hillary's words and actions matter.

YES TURN OFF THE CRAP!!!!!

[hejiranyc]

Clinton campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe said Tuesday that once Obama gets the majority of convention delegates, "I think Hillary Clinton will congratulate him and call him the nominee."



I think that choice of wording is very telling. Superdelegates are not "convention delegates" unless they are at The Convention! :p So, yes, Hillary would have to graciously congratulate Obama if he is appointed the nominee at the convention, since that is only place/time that the nomination can be secured de facto (since neither have won the threshold number of pledged delegates).

[I_Love_Hillary]

her own campaign advisor who was just on says she doesn't know anything about it and mcauliffe says it is wrong too.

it SUCKS they come out with false stories to sway voters to obama. i HATE that!

[joeysky18]

Guys..

Terry was JUST on CNN and he said this story is "NOT TRUE". He said he doesn't know who the officials are but he said she is not planning on saying anything like this tonight!!

Thank you ClintonFan. Thank you Terry M.

[skc1976]

If they are citing the AP, this would be the link:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CLINTON?SITE=NCWIN&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Now, in this article, it says that she's all but suspending her campaign. They apparently are trying to spin it as she's lobbying for the VP slot. It's an interesting read. Personally, I think she's just biding her time because there's a lot of it between now and the end of August. Obama can implode.

[CGP]

why Are They Announcing Right Now Hillary Is Conceding Tonight That Obama Has Enough Delegates And She Is Not Going To Apeal.

Why Why Why

Why Now When People Are Still Voting???????????????????

You have answered your own question. It's aimed at VOTER SUPPRESSION.

People - please think critically and don't believe lies and propaganda.

[Mrs L]

They say she will acknowledge that he has enough delegates for the nomination. So what does that mean?


WHY NOW WHILE PEOPLE ARE VOTING???

WHY????

WHY???????

[philmwri]

Terry is right superdelegates don't vote until august.Obama has 1,738 Delegates and Hillary has 1,625.Obama will be nowhere near that 2,118 number.

[Tea toaD]

Don't listen to AP. Clinton Campaign is not stupid enough to let them express anything on her behalf:rolleyes:

[goldie21]

The rumor was probably started by someone in the Obama campaign to discourage voters in SD and MN!! I'm sick of this!

[movingtous]

As long as she doesn't officially END her campaign, then she can still jump in when Obama implodes. It'll happen. Either way, Obama will not become the next president. I'm not voting for vp, so I hope Hillary never considers this.

[Mrs L]

I've only read an associated press article saying that...where else are they saying it?


Fox news just in on the wire

[zoomtm]

Just saw this on the View. They got this information from AP. Discuss...

Hillary's camp just called the view and said it's completely false.

[Mrs L]

The rumor was probably started by someone in the Obama campaign to discourage voters in SD and MN!! I'm sick of this!

IF THIS IS TRUE THIS IS VOTER FRAUD, MAYBE THEY WILL GIVE HER ALL THE VOTES!!!!!!!!!!!

[ZY123]

Everybody relax! Nothing is going on except another bias press effort. This is exhausting....LOL.

[hejiranyc]

I've only read an associated press article saying that...where else are they saying it?

The NY Times is quoting "some aides" of Senator Clinton as saying that she is giving a farewell speech tonight. And then there was that sound bite of Bill in South Dakota saying that this may be the last time he works as part of a campaign of this kind. I personally think people are reading way too much into these words. Is it the end? Is it a farewell? Of course! It's the end of the Democratic primary season and the relentless campaigning phase has drawn to a close; every vote has been cast and acknowledged. That doesn't mean it's the end of Hillary's candidacy. I have believed for months now that Hillary has an 11th-hour ace up her sleeve that will totally surprise everyone, so I am not counting her out just yet.

[joeysky18]

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IF THIS IS TRUE THIS IS VOTER FRAUD, MAYBE THEY WILL GIVE HER ALL THE VOTES!!!!!!!!!!![/B]

Jolene, calm down.

We have seen this tactic before. And it didn't work in any of other states. They said it's over in WV and KY. and people still come out to vote.

Your only weapon is "don't believe them".

Repeat it with me.

I don't believe them.
I don't believe them.
I don't believe them.

[Leekosagrios]

She's not quitting, she's not conceding, she's acknowledging that BO has more delegates than her at that point, that is all.

Clinton is carefully working around this, she's very smart. There's a turning point coming and it's not in BO's favor.

CALL, BLOG, we still have lots of work to do.

[Brooke]

Can somebody tell me how to spell Terry's last name? I think CNN just had it spelled wrong. Isn't it "Mac"?

[ZY123]

AP just pulled the story.

So all the reaction for nothing....see what a waste of time the MSM is?

[Brooke]

AP just pulled the story.

Good!

[Christines]

Obama has the MSM saying that Hillary will throw in towel tonight!

This is fraud and Obama's efforts to stop the campaign and tell the voters of South Dakota and Montana to not bother to vote or vote for him! It is also to make the Supers nervous and Obama wants them to jump over to him now!

The best thing and the only way to fight this SOB is to start calling S D and Montana NOW and continue to call the Superdelegates!

[joeysky18]

His campaign is the King Of Fraud Campaign. Shameless & Unethical.

[CGP]

Read here:

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=14555

[i hate nbc and cnn]

after the clinton campaign denies the ap report nbc just said they asked the ap again if the story is true they said it is. obama campaign is trying to have a lower turn out in mt and sd thinking its over well screw them LETS CALL BLOG WE CAN WIN BOTH STATES AND SHUT THE MSM UP!!!!

[CGP]

Well, obviously people will write about this all day, so if you must comment on the latest LIES, do so here. I do not want to see anymore than one thread about this B/S! :eek:

[ScottVA]

I keep reading, over and over again, posts that people are writing in here today. I can understand your frustration with the uncertainty of our candidate Hillary....
BUT... let me explain a few things to put some perspective on it all...

SHE HAS NO REASON TO CONCEDE.... WHY? HERE'S WHY...

1- There are 31 Pledged Delegates left today. Obama (even if he got all 31) doesn't have enough to claim the MAGIC NUMBER of PLEDGED DELEGATES to make him the presumptive nominee!

2- Clinton will still lead in the Popular Vote (this is a big deal)

3- Clinton has a MAJOR reason to go to the Convention if only on the grounds of the ruling surrounding MI. The DNC Rules/ByLaws Committee broke their own rules in awarding Obama delegates he didn't earn when he wasn't even on the ballot! That was a GROSS mistake on their part and an appeal to the Credentials Committee is likely to yield a different outcome for the MI decision!

4- NO MATTER WHAT YOU HEAR... SD's (Super Delegates) can't not physically end this race! MSM tries to hammer this point home on every news story! The fact is it's simply not true! the SD endorsements are just that right now endorsements. Their vote ONLY counts at the Convention. Their endorsement is currently NON BINDING until they vote at the Convention. This means they can change at any point until they vote! This is ONLY a perception thing for Obama at this point in time!

5- ANYTHING CAN CHANGE IN AN INSTANT! A day in the life of politics can seem like a year in real terms! Obama is a loose cannon with skeletons galore in his closet. The DNC is scared to death if Hillary stays in what could happen to their beloved Obama before the Convention. SO, why do you think everyone is so hell bent on getting her out of the race now! Nothing has changed... this has been their approach for several months now so why should anyone take it anymore serious today then a month ago?!
I mean Obama's approach to this whole election has been money. He thought he could buy his way to the nomination and outspend Hillary at every turn... I think this is where both he and the DNC underestimated Clinton. Luckily for her she had her own money and was willing to use it! It seems trying to outspend her hasn't worked and using the MSM against her hasn't worked so they're probably at wits end to try to figure other avenues to get her out of the race!

6- Clinton is the only one that can effectively end this race! She's in control of the situation right now. Even though she's not entirely in the drivers seat... her present position should be enough energy to propel her to stay positive/focused and driven to finish this out....

7- My belief (and I think the DNC fears this too) is if she takes this to the Convention she's going to walk away the winner! You have to understand the rules at the Convention. If the first vote for the nomination (among pledges) comes back without a clear nominee and she can take control of the floor... she can immediately call a second vote and pluck off some of his (fence sitting) pledges who will become UNPLEDGED after the first vote. The Convention is all about skill and control and (she's been there twice before with Bill and knows better then Obama how this works) so I'm sure the DNC must be pooping their pants at the thought of what this means if she takes this all the way!

SO MY FRIENDS JUST STAY FOCUSED AND POSITIVE ON HER PROSPECTS.... DO NOT LISTEN TO MSM BECAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO DO.... THIS WHOLE THING IS UP TO HILLARY RIGHT NOW! IF I WERE IN HER SHOES I'D PLAY IT OUT UNTIL THE END!

[mooaks]

Enough already! We don't need this. If you want to depend on the MSM quit spreading the venom that we all know is their mantra. :(

[deniseds]

I agree ScottVA. Thank you. I just cannot believe that the BS from the MSM.

[Leekosagrios]

I agree, but let me be the first to admit that the last 15 minutes were very surreal for me. I started researching for verifiable reports, and even went to HC.com but couldn't find anything. Then I read the AP report and realized it was too vague to be true, but just an attempt to suppress voters. I'm exhausted!!

[PhillyGuy1]

Right. After every primary lately the Obama campaign has behind rumors that Clinton will concede. It is clearly an attempt to suppress the vote.


PhillyGuy1

[ZY123]

Having all the discussion on this topic in one thread is great!...then it's easier to ignore.

I honestly don't care about rumors or BS....I'm more interested in how tonight's primaries turn out.

[Spagpusher]

I think passions are just flying high right now, Murray. Everyone is on pins and needles waiting to hear what direction Hillary will choose to take. I'm personally feeling that whatever she decides will be what will work to her own (and our) advantage in the end result. A story shows up that she has conceeded that Obama will get the delegate count, that's really not that far fetched at this point - but in no way would I look at that as her giving up completely... because that wouldn't reflect the non existance of a future floor fight.

Emotions are running really rampant for many of her supporters today. This is kinda expected and hopefully, understood and accepted.

Edited to add ... I've already set my DVR to record her speech tonight while I am at work. I want to hear what SHE has to say.

[Skeets]

I am so glad I read your article as I thought it was all over And I was sad. So glad to hear Hillary might go till the convention and she should. Hillary got a raw deal from the beginning. I will not vote for BHO if she doesn't win, Sorry, but I love my country to much to put it in the hands of an inexperienced person.

[philmwri]

The undecided will most likely go for Hillary Obama is getting so much negative press from the church scandal they are seeing Barack for what he is.

[Mrsawd]

State Obama clinches the nomination!

[Gerry2008]

I heard it too. AP claims that Obama clinched the nomination according to their reporting.

[candyrose9460]

everyone, just stay focus on hillary! we still have a good chance.............

[Patricia GA]

Fox is saying he has clinched the nominatioin. Ap is reporting it. They are saying AP says he has effectively clinched the nomination.

[Diamond Tiger]

the whole cry wolf thing. I'll believe it when it comes out as a press release from Hillary's camp.

[Gerry2008]

Fox is reporting an AP report. They are not reporting it as a fact.

[reddirtgirl]

I haven't been home to watch, but a forum member asked me to post that Fox is FALSELY reporting that Hillary is conceeding the nomination tonight.

THIS IS NOT ACCURATE. CNN ALSO REPORTED SAME, BUT HAS RETRACTED IT.;

Also, Obama has NOT clinched the nomination yet. He still needs 30.5 delegates.

[trading wine for beer]

It'll be amazing if Senator Clinton pulls off high numbers today.. with all this dirty play going on!



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080603/ap_on_el_pr/primary_rdp

AP tally: Obama clinches Democratic nomination By DAVID ESPO and STEPHEN OHLEMACHER, Associated Press Writers
10 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Barack Obama effectively clinched the Democratic presidential nomination Tuesday after a grueling marathon, based on an Associated Press tally of convention delegates, becoming the first black candidate ever to lead his party into a fall campaign for the White House.

Campaigning on an insistent call for change, Obama outlasted former first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton in a historic race that sparked record turnout in primary after primary, yet exposed deep racial and gender divisions within the party.

The tally was based on public declarations from delegates as well as from another 15 who have confirmed their intentions to the AP. It also included 11 delegates Obama was guaranteed as long as he gained 30 percent of the vote in South Dakota and Montana later in the day. It takes 2,118 delegates to clinch the nomination.

[mjoynaples]

they are going out to vote... they were glad for the call... then of course a few hang-ups par for the course... oh well, we need to call to get the truth out especially today!!! will do more after short break... !!!!

[movingtous]

Yeah, I was really upset when I took a peep during my hooky time from work. Then, I read the headline a little closer...
He EFFECTIVELY has clinched the nomination. So, they're projecting, but the way they wrote it, it will make voters stay home.

[joeysky18]

First they said she will quit. When that didn't work, now they said he got the number. He doesn't have enough pledged delegate to win it. And SuperD vote in August. Not today!

[CGP]

Associated Press should be taken to court for it's blatantaly false and dishonest "reporting" - otherwise known as LIES & PROPAGANDA! These "journalists" should be ashamed of themselves.

1. Neither candidate has 2118 pledged delegates

2. To win, one candidate will require enough votes from superdelegates to reach 2118 - this CANNOT happen until August

[xfiles]

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/AP_obama_clinches/2008/06/03/101154.html?s=al&promo_code=638F-1

What do you think?

I know Hillary isn't conceding!

[yaelbelle]

It was an AP stunt that went out all over the MSM, and then it was quickly clarified that HRC was not conceding. Another effort to keep voters home today, and to influence pubic perception. Ridiculous! And uncool!

[Florida Dawn]

What is up with this? Can't this guy win fairly? Now people have to manipulated in November???????


By BETH FOUHY - Associated Press Writer
Hillary Rodham Clinton will concede Tuesday night that Barack Obama has the delegates to secure the Democratic nomination, campaign officials said, effectively ending her bid to be the nation's first female president.

The former first lady was not ready to formally suspend or end her race in a speech Tuesday night in New York City. But if Obama get to the magic number of delegates, 2,118, she was prepared to acknowledge that milestone, according to aides who declined to be identified.

Obama is 37.5 delegates shy of clinching the nomination, but he is widely expected to make up the difference Tuesday with superdelegate support and votes in South Dakota and Montana. His campaign was announcing new superdelegate endorsements throughout the day Tuesday.

[philmwri]

Obama people thought they would it look like Hillary was quitting.

[Diamond Tiger]

trying to suppress voters in SD and MT. Ignore it and call, call, call!

[Kbentleyis]

Everyone is scrambling to retract stories. This was done on purpose. If MT and SD think she's out of the race, they won't vote for her. BO knew he was losing in SD and he wants to be a big winner in MT. This is all BS.

If I could personally sue everyone involved I would. They may lose these last two races for her.

[ScottVA]

What is up with this? Can't this guy win fairly? Now people have to manipulated in November???????


By BETH FOUHY - Associated Press Writer
Hillary Rodham Clinton will concede Tuesday night that Barack Obama has the delegates to secure the Democratic nomination, campaign officials said, effectively ending her bid to be the nation's first female president.

The former first lady was not ready to formally suspend or end her race in a speech Tuesday night in New York City. But if Obama get to the magic number of delegates, 2,118, she was prepared to acknowledge that milestone, according to aides who declined to be identified.

Obama is 37.5 delegates shy of clinching the nomination, but he is widely expected to make up the difference Tuesday with superdelegate support and votes in South Dakota and Montana. His campaign was announcing new superdelegate endorsements throughout the day Tuesday.

except the only problem with that is there are only 31 delegates TOTAL 15 and 16 MT/SD... LOL Even if he won all of them and that would never happen he still not give him 37.5 SOME MATH WIZARDS THERE! :-)

[Musicdude]

The story is based on heresay. Also, when the MSM uses the word "clinch" (to secure definitely, conclusively) , by definition they are automatically incorrect. They're just promoting their wishful thinking.

[philmwri]

It's not over until August 28th.

[SantaCruzen]

This story is one of the proofs that there is political pressure on journalists.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ij9JDGtKUEu9OlIDnowiM0AS9C3wD90VJ11G4

Also, I agree with comments being made on the HRC Blog:
AP should be sued for this misinformation

AP Should be sued for propagating this misinformation. Press have become very pathetic and highly unaccountable. If we have unaccountable politician we can recall or no elect them next time. Is there anything can be done with this Press folks. They are so inclined to Declare OBAMA as president. is this democracy... we are going to behind so many countries for democracy... but he have very very big whole in democracy at home itself. Pathetic it is.

by qwer at 6/3/2008 12:36:45 PM
http://blog.hillaryclinton.com/blog/main/2008/06/03/163233#view_comments

The media ethics needs to be flushed down the toilet. I was suspicious for yers, then paranoid, now I am done. The credibility of our media is beyond suspect. They are void of neutrality.

No wonder the saying:

NO News Is GOOD NEWS.

[xfiles]

It's all over Fox right now. So he won't have enough delegates tonight to SAY he has won the nomination.

Don't throw stones at me because I'm not convinced myself I'd even vote for the ticket but if Hillary were to be VP, she could run as the presumptive nominee in 4 or 8 years for President. She'd have 8 years to campaign and do good things.

I understand most of us are pretty much opposed to this but I wonder about your thoughts.

Everyone is scrambling to retract stories. This was done on purpose. If MT and SD think she's out of the race, they won't vote for her. BO knew he was losing in SD and he wants to be a big winner in MT. This is all BS.

If I could personally sue everyone involved I would. They may lose these last two races for her.

[philmwri]

They are trying to give it to Obama but right now we only have pledged delegates and right now neither one of them will have enough and we have to have the superdelegates decide this in August and pledged delegates are allowed to switch too.

[Florida Dawn]

Well, obviously people will write about this all day, so if you must comment on the latest LIES, do so here. I do not want to see anymore than one thread about this B/S! :eek:


Sorry Murray...I just went to my homepage and there it was! I agree with you all here! Screw 'em all and let's get back to getting Hillary elected. Yahooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[Soaring Eagle]

I think the hype today is going to make for big news when the "TAPE" does hit. Big news today saying Obama wins the nomination. Then tomorrow or whenever the tape hits, the news is even bigger because the tape has then hit against the democratic nominee. Am i on the right track of thinking here?

[Optixmom]

It's all over Fox right now. So he won't have enough delegates tonight to SAY he has won the nomination.

Don't throw stones at me because I'm not convinced myself I'd even vote for the ticket but if Hillary were to be VP, she could run as the presumptive nominee in 4 or 8 years for President. She'd have 8 years to campaign and do good things.

I understand most of us are pretty much opposed to this but I wonder about your thoughts.

I don't think she is even contemplating this, she is in this to be on the top of the ticket...period.

I love Senator Clinton, and I am behind her running for Pres and running for another Senate term because she would be in control of that position. VP is a position that is beneath her (IMO) and would be a waste of her talents. AND I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR OBAMA TO BE IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT...NEVER!

[xfiles]

I hear you, but think of it this way!

She'd be the first woman VP and then the first woman President! (OK, I'm ducking now LOL!)

I don't think she is even contemplating this, she is in this to be on the top of the ticket...period.

I love Senator Clinton, and I am behind her running for Pres and running for another Senate term because she would be in control of that position. VP is a position that is beneath her (IMO) and would be a waste of her talents. AND I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR OBAMA TO BE IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT...NEVER!

[Mrsawd]

The AP tally was based on public commitments from delegates as well as more than a dozen private commitments. It also included a minimum number of delegates Obama was guaranteed even if he lost the final two primaries in South Dakota and Montana later in the day.

this shows disgusting !

[Soaring Eagle]

DON'T DO IT HILLARY!!!!!!!:mad:

[anthonyjones]

Senator Clinton is open to the VP slot....I hope it's another false report by the AP!

[i hate nbc and cnn]

NO!!!!!!

[Mrsawd]

She will lose respect that she has gained !

[Santiago]

She has stated that he has more delegates, she has more pop vote!

[Brooke]

"Clinton tells NY lawmakers she'll be open to being Obama's VP"

Coming in on FOX!

[Soaring Eagle]

She will lose respect that she has gained !

I cannot vote for that ticket guys. I will NOT!!!!

[xfiles]

Hillary Clinton has told the AP she is open to be VP. They say she is calling super delegates and has said this to the AP. ?????????

[Patricia GA]

Maybe it will get them to stop running that Obama has clinched the nomination. Maybe they just gave them a new rumor to talk about. Change the subject. Let us just wait and see what Hillary does.

[Ace]

I believe that they are misinterpreting what she may have said, yet again:

Ausman said he was leaning toward Obama until a call from Clinton this morning. “She has hundreds of thousands of suppertors he needs and we need to work together,” Ausman said.

Ausman said he asked Clinton whether she’d take the VP slot. “She said she’d think about it.”

-Palm Beach Post (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/palmbeach/floridapolitics/entries/2008/06/03/surprise_fl_superdelegate_to_c.html)

[PhillyGuy1]

This AP report has already been thoroughly discredited. It's another attempt at voter suppression by the Obama campaign.

PhillyGuy1

[ZY123]

See Enough thread! ;)

[SantaCruzen]

She said she would think about it.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/palmbeach/floridapolitics/entries/2008/06/03/surprise_fl_superdelegate_to_c.html


P.S. Here is more proof that people are watching the news media control issues which they should not be doing:

By HILLARY'S GUY

June 3, 2008 2:48 PM | Link to this

The Palm Beach Post worked hard to SABOTAGE meaningful property tax reform last year just like the national media SABOTAGED Hillary Clinton! The Post’s Tallahassee Bureau reporters including REPORTER MICHAEL BENDER (the guy that hates Palm Beach county homeowners) completely MISREPRESENTED, DISTORTED and even MOCKED proposed tax cut savings and DEMONIZED tax cut supporters. Basicaly, The Palm Beach Post and MICHAEL BENDER WANT YOU to keep paying to support all of the illegal aliens and other DEADBEATS and FREELOADERS in Florida! Remember that the next time you’re asked to renew your subscription…JUST CANCEL IT! Go HILLARY.

[Brooke]

I had a thread for this and it went bye bye!

Because Murray and the mods have asked everybody to keep reports in this thread and they're working over time to merge all the threads.

[xfiles]

Sheperd Smith SAYS this came from her own mouth to the AP. Don't know what to believe but I'm with Hillary all the way to the nomination if she goes that way!


This AP report has already been thoroughly discredited. It's another attempt at voter suppression by the Obama campaign.

PhillyGuy1

[philmwri]

They are corrupt and will say and do anything to win.

[I_Love_Hillary]

fox news reports she told NY lawmakers

[i hate nbc and cnn]

ap lie

[JMS825]

still wouldnt vote for Obama

[Eddie3dfx]

It's a lie. Also, I would never vote for Obama as president.

[Bacio83]

She actually said she would be open to it, she's always said this imo. It's a great power play... BO looks like an arse.

[ZY123]

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=14543

Think of the source. Was there a Hillary interview done? Did this come out of her mouth? Are they spinning some old news to try to elicit an emotional response? Sounds like some manipulation of some sort. =P

[SantaCruzen]

When we read the news, it is aggravating. It is difficult to make calls when we are upset and feel like fighting. Who wants to be nice when you are on the edge of WWIII with the Media?

[lucky-ann]

please let this be false :( it would kill me to see them run together...I really wouldn't know how to vote...on the one hand I don't want to vote for obama, on the other hand I can't imagine voting against hillary...

[yaelbelle]

It will only take a second.

I sent an e-mail titled STOP VOTER SUPPRESSION and about three lines explaining that this undue influence to convince Montana and SD voters that their vote is moot is simply unethical, etc.

If they listen or not, at least we spoke out.

Copy and paste this for your addresses.

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[Brooke]

Am I the only one not freaking out over all of this?

How in the heck would she talk to NY lawmakers right now? She hasn't left her house and she's busy calling SDs.

[Ace]

The latest story about the VP slot was written by "Steve Holland".

[Tea toaD]

I honestly think it's spin. I don't think she would tell anyone anything without having a press conference with her own words detailing all her plans. She's been involved for too long to let news break this before she actually speaks. I don't think it's true anyway. She will run as top dog, not second fiddle to a puppy:mad:

[Brooke]

I sent a mass email to the media about this, as per yaelbelle's post. Thanks!

[trading wine for beer]

Raise your hand if you are surprised that Jimmy C. endorsed (or will endorse, according the Yahoo news) BO... OK then, raise your hand if you care...

***insert crickets chirping here***

Yeah, that's what I thought :rolleyes:

[trading wine for beer]

Raise your hand if you are surprised that Jimmy C. endorsed (or will endorse, according the Yahoo news) BO... OK then, raise your hand if you care...

***insert crickets chirping here***

Yeah, that's what I thought :rolleyes:

Oh, I might add (to tie it into this thread's topic), Sorry attempt to slow Hillary's momentum today. As if.

[I_Love_Hillary]

some of the media are accusing her of hijacking the election by saying she is open to VP. i don't understand what that means.

i don't know yet if it is true. we should hear within the hour from the clinton camp if it is true i suppose.

i hope it is true. iwould rather have her as VP and have the DEMS in there, than have 4 yrs of mccain waiting for hill to run. anything can happen in that 4 yrs. obama could win, obama could run again, and hill is no spring chicken. so if he picks her as VP, i'm voting dem. if not, i am voting mccain

[WV4Hillary]

MSNBC Breaking News

WASHINGTON - Hillary Clinton has told congressional colleagues she would be open to becoming Barack Obama's vice presidential nominee, saying she would consider it if it would help Democrats win the White House.

Clinton, a New York senator, made the comment on a conference call with other New York lawmakers Tuesday, according a participant on the call.

The senator's remarks came in response to a question from Democratic Rep. Nydia Velazquez who said she believed the best way for Obama to win over key voting blocs, including Hispanics, would be for him to choose Clinton as his running mate.

[mjno7777]

See post abouve you. Stating this is BS.

[Brooke]

I'm sorry but how hard is it to read thread titles?

LOL..nevermind..there must be an automatic "merge" button today.

[Area504]

http://bestsmileys.com/sick/2.gifhttp://bestsmileys.com/puking/1.gifhttp://bestsmileys.com/puking/1.gif

Does that make clear how I feel about this?

Still won't vote for him.

[CGP]

MSNBC Breaking News

WASHINGTON - Hillary Clinton has told congressional colleagues she would be open to becoming Barack Obama's vice presidential nominee, saying she would consider it if it would help Democrats win the White House.

Clinton, a New York senator, made the comment on a conference call with other New York lawmakers Tuesday, according a participant on the call.

The senator's remarks came in response to a question from Democratic Rep. Nydia Velazquez who said she believed the best way for Obama to win over key voting blocs, including Hispanics, would be for him to choose Clinton as his running mate.

Even if she did say this today, it's not new. She has said the same thing before. It's called "behaving in a unifying manner". It doesn't mean she is giving up and wants to be VP. How else would anyone expect her to answer the question? Say "no" and refuse to answer the question? Of course she has to answer in the affirmative, otherwise she would be wrongly accused, yet again, of being "divisive".

[I_Love_Hillary]

to me it is new. never before in this race have i heard quite this lingo from her and at a crucial time. it puts obama in a tough spot, ball is in his quart. i hope she makes VP if she is not the nominee.

[CGP]

to me it is new. never before in this race have i heard quite this lingo from her and at a crucial time. it puts obama in a tough spot, ball is in his quart. i hope she makes VP if she is not the nominee.

You are mistaken. She has said the same thing before.

[ZY123]

Read the words carefully:

she would be open to

Those words by themselves mean nothing definite at all. Now think about how the "press" has reported it. Is the reporting on par with the actual statement?

Does "will accept" == "would be open to"?

And yes she's said "would be open to" before. So what does it mean that's it's being reported as "breaking news"? What does that say about the source?

And personally I don't care. There's a primary going on..as well as SDs with decisions to make no?

[LarryMac]

Who owns AP?

[SeattleDem]

Posted at 12:55 PST by the Associated Press

AP tally: Obama effectively clinches nomination

Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama D-Ill., speaks during a to...
16 minutes ago

WASHINGTON — Barack Obama effectively clinched the Democratic presidential nomination Tuesday, becoming the first black candidate to lead a major party into a campaign for the White House. Vanquished rival Hillary Rodham Clinton swiftly signaled an interest in joining the ticket as running mate.

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20080603/Primary.Rdp/

[LarryMac]

Alzheimers can be a problem, I knew the answer after hitting the submit, any of the publications in the cooperative could have prompted AP to post this erroneous information. They used to have better editors stopping such BS, but alas, the last competitor in the U.S., UPI, is dead.

[Donald]

Posted at 12:55 PST by the Associated Press



http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20080603/Primary.Rdp/

I just posted about this on another thread. The MSM is tallying wrong. The nomination is cinched with pledged delegates. They are counting super delegates as part of the 2118..This is wrong and the media should not be doing this.

Supers do not count towards the 2118....This is being done to mislead people.

[Morgan]

My apologies for not reading all this thread.

I don't give a rats ass if BO thinks he has enough delegates today.

What counts is the delegates in Denver. People can have a change of heart by then. Anything can and will happen.

Hillary needs to take it to Denver.

[xfiles]

What is the # without the SD's. Send your information to the media!! Tell them they are wrong.


I just posted about this on another thread. The MSM is tallying wrong. The nomination is cinched with pledged delegates. They are counting super delegates as part of the 2118..This is wrong and the media should not be doing this.

Supers do not count towards the 2118....This is being done to mislead people.

[LucyTN]

Am I the only one not freaking out over all of this?

How in the heck would she talk to NY lawmakers right now? She hasn't left her house and she's busy calling SDs.Lord no you're not alone. I've never seen such hysterics over unsubstantiated rumors in my looong life. We will not know the complete truth about Hillary's plans until Hillary makes her speech. We will never know any complete truth about Obama because he probably doesn't know either. He's a con artist and from the way things look, he's surrounded by his own kind. One thing this campaign has taught me is that I can't believe much of anything I see on tv or read in the papers. I sure waited till late in life to make that discovery but it is loud and clear now.

[CGP]

I just posted about this on another thread. The MSM is tallying wrong. The nomination is cinched with pledged delegates. They are counting super delegates as part of the 2118..This is wrong and the media should not be doing this.

Supers do not count towards the 2118....This is being done to mislead people.

Well, techincally speaking either Clinton or Obama will need the votes of superdelegates to move beyond the 2118 mark. The point is that the votes of the superdelegates can only be cast in August while the pledged delegates have already been awarded via the primaries/caucuses. So it's not possible to officially reach the 2118 until the convention when the superdelegates vote.

[CGP]

One thing this campaign has taught me is that I can't believe much of anything I see on tv or read in the papers. I sure waited till late in life to make that discovery but it is loud and clear now.

Better late than never! It's a powerful & important discovery to make.

[Donald]

Well, techincally speaking either Clinton or Obama will need the votes of superdelegates to move beyond the 2118 mark. The point is that the votes of the superdelegates can only be cast in August while the pledged delegates have already been awarded via the primaries/caucuses. So it's not possible to officially reach the 2118 until the convention when the superdelegates vote.

Very true, so the media is misleading by saying Obama officially clinches the nomination. It can not be done by either one of them today.

This is dangerous as most people will believe he has won on a legit count.

[LucyTN]

Very true, so the media is misleading by saying Obama officially clinches the nomination. It can not be done by either one of them today.

This is dangerous as most people will believe he has won on a legit count.I think we're getting a crash course in dirty politics, don't you? I'm not sure why the tv people are allowed to show their bias in such an obnoxious way, but it sure seems to be rampant. I watched my local news at noon on a CBS affiliate and they said much of what we're reading here about Hillary's speech being a concessions speech and my husband was believing the whole thing until I told him that he really needs to get himself a computer. (just don't even THINK about mine;))

It would be interesting to know how this false information may have affected today's votes which was of course the reason for the whole thing.

[ScottVA]

OK well all you have to do is look at the natural progression of the news reports from AP...

first it was Clinton was conceding then it was Obama "effectively" has the nomination delegate count then it was Clinton would accept VP slot "if it would help" now I see Carter to endorse Obama.... LOL that one is not a shock those two are peas in a pod... LOL I CANT STAND CARTER I helped to get rid of him in 1980.

[ScottVA]

I think we're getting a crash course in dirty politics, don't you? I'm not sure why the tv people are allowed to show their bias in such an obnoxious way, but it sure seems to be rampant. I watched my local news at noon on a CBS affiliate and they said much of what we're reading here about Hillary's speech being a concessions speech and my husband was believing the whole thing until I told him that he really needs to get himself a computer. (just don't even THINK about mine;))

It would be interesting to know how this false information may have affected today's votes which was of course the reason for the whole thing.

I agree I think this talk was all about today's Primary turn out Something tells me though that I don't think it will affect it much..... SD and MT voters are sort of a different breed... I doubt their easily swayed by media... I know my relatives in rural America aren't...

ALL we can do is stay positive and laugh at some of the sh*t coming out because we know it isn't true SO that means that someone is in panic mode to have to go that far and put all that out... LOL

[xfiles]

Terry McCauliffe was on Fox about 10 mins. ago and was said to have said (I had it on mute) by the interviewer as a synopis of what he supposedly said that Hillary is open to anything. I assume he was asked about the VP thing.

Being reported now: Hillary was on a conf. call w/ NY legislators and was asked if she'd consider the VP slot. She said she was open to considering it if it would be good for the party.




OK well all you have to do is look at the natural progression of the news reports from AP...

first it was Clinton was conceding then it was Obama "effectively" has the nomination delegate count then it was Clinton would accept VP slot "if it would help" now I see Carter to endorse Obama.... LOL that one is not a shock those two are peas in a pod... LOL I CANT STAND CARTER I helped to get rid of him in 1980.

[Donald]

I think we're getting a crash course in dirty politics, don't you? I'm not sure why the tv people are allowed to show their bias in such an obnoxious way, but it sure seems to be rampant. I watched my local news at noon on a CBS affiliate and they said much of what we're reading here about Hillary's speech being a concessions speech and my husband was believing the whole thing until I told him that he really needs to get himself a computer. (just don't even THINK about mine;))

It would be interesting to know how this false information may have affected today's votes which was of course the reason for the whole thing.

For what good it will do, I wrote CNN, Wolf Blitzer and Lou Dobbs and asked that they should not report that Obama has "officially" won anything, and explained that niether Hillary or Obama can claim the nomination tonight officially. I also told them( I also wrote FOX, NBC is hopeless) that it was unfair to claim supers as part of the 2118 needed. Its not only misleading, its just not a true fact.

[bangorgirl]

People, calm down, I heard many things in the past 2 days. I wont believe anything till I hear it from her. When I spoke to the person at the dnc today they said that at the convention anything could happen, and believe me that person was an ob supporter. Don't worry I let her know that I was unhappy with the way things were goin since saturday.

[CGP]

OK well all you have to do is look at the natural progression of the news reports from AP...

first it was Clinton was conceding then it was Obama "effectively" has the nomination delegate count then it was Clinton would accept VP slot "if it would help" now I see Carter to endorse Obama.... LOL that one is not a shock those two are peas in a pod... LOL I CANT STAND CARTER I helped to get rid of him in 1980.

Yes, 4 different stories, all aimed at one thing - creating an ILLUSION that Barack Obama is the winner. LIE. Can't "win" til August. Associated Press has no competition anymore and gets away with writing and disseminating total rubbish.

[ScottVA]

Terry McCauliffe was on Fox about 10 mins. ago and was said to have said (I had it on mute) by the interviewer as a synopis of what he supposedly said that Hillary is open to anything. I assume he was asked about the VP thing.

Being reported now: Hillary was on a conf. call w/ NY legislators and was asked if she'd consider the VP slot. She said she was open to considering it if it would be good for the party.

I've got a message for Hillary too.... for all the money I gave you to fight... there is NO WAY her bailing and taking VP is going to change my mind to accept Obama! I have made my mind up ... funny I have about 50 family members and not one of them will vote for Obama as Prez... Hillary needs to let his ship sink and go for broke on the top spot!

[ScottVA]

I think another thing we've got to remember.... Clinton is playing her own game right now with the DNC and Obama! I think right now she's going to be very vague about things and say what seems like appeasement just to let this play out for a while.... She's no dummy!

[Brooke]

This is all making my head reel. I think I'm going out to get some alcohol for tonight.

[ScottVA]

Yes, 4 different stories, all aimed at one thing - creating an ILLUSION that Barack Obama is the winner. LIE. Can't "win" til August. Associated Press has no competition anymore and gets away with writing and disseminating total rubbish.

TRUE TRUE! Obama has run almost every campaign he's been in on PERCEPTION (false or otherwise)...when that doesn't work you add in a little cheating and then come the lies.... LOL He's a real diamond in the rough that one is! LOL

[CGP]

I think another thing we've got to remember.... Clinton is playing her own game right now with the DNC and Obama! I think right now she's going to be very vague about things and say what seems like appeasement just to let this play out for a while.... She's no dummy!

Exactly.

[bangorgirl]

This is all making my head reel. I think I'm going out to get some alcohol for tonight.

Already did that! And I made my calls to sd and mt, now I consume. Just to get ready for tonight.

[Musicdude]

I've got a message for Hillary too.... for all the money I gave you to fight... there is NO WAY her bailing and taking VP is going to change my mind to accept Obama! I!

A couple of weeks someone was on Foxnews stated that Obama supporters were furious en masse about the possibility of Hillary being on the ticket as VP, and that if it happened they would not vote for Obama. I only heard that info once and never since then.

[seawave]

The lies are growing. I will not believe anything until I hear it from Hillary.

[joeysky18]

A couple of weeks someone was on Foxnews stated that Obama supporters were furious en masse about the possibility of Hillary being on the ticket as VP, and that if it happened they would not vote for Obama. I only heard that info once and never since then.

That's a good combination then, because they won't vote and we wont' vote. So DNC will get what they deserve: President McCain.

[Brooke]

A couple of weeks someone was on Foxnews stated that Obama supporters were furious en masse about the possibility of Hillary being on the ticket as VP, and that if it happened they would not vote for Obama. I only heard that info once and never since then.

Then he'd get no votes since we won't vote for him either..lol.

[bangorgirl]

A couple of weeks someone was on Foxnews stated that Obama supporters were furious en masse about the possibility of Hillary being on the ticket as VP, and that if it happened they would not vote for Obama. I only heard that info once and never since then.

Because he shut them up! We don't want her to be vp they don't want her to be vp, lets put it this way she's not going away, and she shouldn't. We are her supporters, she will say whats going on then we'll know.

[ginamc]

Statement from Clinton Campaign about Tonight's speech ...

The AP story is incorrect. Senator Clinton will not concede the nomination this evening.
###
We won’t stop until Senator Clinton stops. Let’s keep the good fight going.

I say, that pretty much sums it ALL up!

[Musicdude]

That's a good combination then, because they won't vote and we wont' vote. So DNC will get what they deserve: President McCain.
Exactly. So.... Obama is cornered. He cannot unite the party.

[ScottVA]

That's a good combination then, because they won't vote and we wont' vote. So DNC will get what they deserve: President McCain.

EXACTLY!

[Johnf]

If Obama picks HIllary for a running mate, he better have a lot of food tasters.... And he was laughing...

he was on with Lou Dobbs - He is a black journalist - I use the term loosely.

He just implied that Hillary would try to kill Obama.

Can we do anything with these comments. Is this not something that can be taken to court?

[Bad Kitty]

Can we stop listening to MSM please? We can't believe anything they said.

I'm with you Joey. If we know it's all lies and spin why even justify it by giving them the ratings. If you went to a restaurant and the food and service were bad and the people slapped you on the way out, would you keep going to that place?

[Johnf]

If Obama picks HIllary for a running mate, he better have a lot of food tasters.... And he was laughing...

he was on with Lou Dobbs - He is a black journalist - I use the term loosely.

He just implied that Hillary would try to kill Obama.

Can we do anything with these comments. Is this not something that can be taken to court?

Look, this is a serious comment, and it needs some recognition here. The man made a character assassination against Hillary.
If this was done against Obama, do you not think this would be all over the media.

[hipelayne]

I'm with you Joey. If we know it's all lies and spin why even justify it by giving them the ratings. If you went to a restaurant and the food and service were bad and the people slapped you on the way out, would you keep going to that place?

I just came back from Hillaryclinton.com - they are ticked off over there as well. Somebody contacted the FCC asking them to look into today's news headlines as a form of voter suppression. Here is the link she provided if anyone is interested:

http://www.fcc.gov/contacts.html

I think it might be a good idea to flood the FCC - what do you guys think?

[hipelayne]

I also saw this post on hillaryclinton.com - troll perhaps? Remember the name!

I like hillary and will vote for her if she win. Put I will vote for him too. His people want the same thing that we want to win. We should not hate them or Obama. We both want to win. He has not cheated, he just played a better game. He out raise us, he had a bigger picture! We Hillary supporter or fighter, but we also know what is best for the party to stop fighter when it is time. I think we should reach across the sand and work together for the good of those in Iraq, for my sister that can not get to work because gas it to high. Come on Clinton supporter we can make this happen. John Mccain will win in November if we do not get it together...do we really want that? NO.
Stop the fighting..... reach out the Obama supporters, if we want hillary as VP, we must heal and work with them. if we do not want to help her as VP then keep fighting and hating them, he will not ask her. So what are we going to do? I would like to see her on the ticket...you. Stop the hating of the Obama camp. Start reaching out to them. I have several obama supportes in my office and I have started reaching out to them so that they will be happy to see Clinton as VP. I need for all of you to do the same. His support will not want her if we do not reach out to them and stop blaming him for her lost. We did not fight for all 50 states and that was out mistake. We will not do it in 2012. We will work for all 50 States want we Hillary!

by One Love at 6/3/2008 3:54:10 PM

[jcless]

Did anyone else see the tape they played on Fox earlier by Ali Abunimah? He is a Pro-Palestinian Chicago based activist of Electronic Intifada an online publication. He introduced Obama as a speaker at an Islamic fundraiser at the home of Rashid Khalidi that Columbia Professor that's a member of the PLO. Carl whatever his name is said they were going to play it for the Jews at the meeting were Obama is to speak after Hillary.

[jcless]

Megan Kelly on Fox said according to the Polls, Clinton was gettin 69% of the late deciders in SD

[jcless]

Hillary won SD according to Fox

[jcless]

Fox News just announced Hillary won SD

[joeysky18]

May I bring it to everyone attention of all the "breaking news" this morning, there were just words, just lies.

- Hillary will concede tonight.
- Hillary will take VP.
- Hillary will drop out.
- BO got the magic number.

ALL ARE LIES.


Remember this lesson. And next time, don't fall victim of these lies again.