Frustrated! (because of people who are supporting Obama)

[SoCal4Hillary]

I'm feeling extraordinarily frustrated right now, both in my personal AND online lives, because of people who are supporting Obama. As everybody knows (because I've droned on and on about it!), my daughter and son-in-law are Obama-ites, and that's bad enough, but people I THOUGHT I knew really well on a [non-political] message board have shocked me by lambasting Hillary and telling me they're supporting the cult leader. :eek: One person in particular--who is a STRONG feminist and reminds me of myself, only younger--is really pissing me off with her anti-Hillary comments and her cult-like devotion to Obama. What the hell is it about that man? Why am I completely missing it?! I'm SICK of hearing--almost verbatim--the exact same "reasons" people in my life are supporting him: "He can unite the country!" (HUH? Where'd they get that idea?) "He's so inspiring!" (Hello? Are we talking about the same EMPTY man?)

Sorry, I guess I just needed to vent. Comment if you're so inclined...or not. :)

[LetsHelpAmerica]

I'm feeling extraordinarily frustrated right now, both in my personal AND online lives, because of people who are supporting Obama. As everybody knows (because I've droned on and on about it!), my daughter and son-in-law are Obama-ites, and that's bad enough, but people I THOUGHT I knew really well on a [non-political] message board have shocked me by lambasting Hillary and telling me they're supporting the cult leader. :eek: One person in particular--who is a STRONG feminist and reminds me of myself, only younger--is really pissing me off with her anti-Hillary comments and her cult-like devotion to Obama. What the hell is it about that man? Why am I completely missing it?! I'm SICK of hearing--almost verbatim--the exact same "reasons" people in my life are supporting him: "He can unite the country!" (HUH? Where'd they get that idea?) "He's so inspiring!" (Hello? Are we talking about the same EMPTY man?)

Sorry, I guess I just needed to vent. Comment if you're so inclined...or not. :)


Oh, I think it is good medicine to vent now and then!!! I so totally understand your frustration!!! Hang in there!! We just need to work
on some of those Obamarites who are in such a deep hypnotic state.....
many of whom have this " guilt " instilled in their subconscious. I think many people are really thinking it will take away all our national guilt by voting for a black man. I just wish everyone felt a bit more guilty about
how women have been treated in our country and the world at large. This is more about race than one might think.
As for me, I would love to see a black president.....an hispanic president.....a native american president...... but all I ask are two questions: Is this person EXPERIENCED??? Dah! And, I would remind people that women represent 50% of the world's population!! If she is qualified why do we not elect her to office??? We really need to examine this. Gerraline Ferraro is right!!

[foreigner4hillary]

Well, according to demographics, most of them are supposedly college students. They fail to realise the following:

1. It's alot easier to get some sort of college degree now then in the 60's.

2. Education does not equate to intelligence nor does it equate to wisdom.

3. COLLEGE STUDENTS ALL OVER THE WORLD ARE NORMALLY SUCKERS FOR SUCH MOVEMENTS case in point: the Red/Cultural revolution. There are more, but I'm too tired to research them atm :p


Change is always appealing especially when it doesn't involve work or thought.

I hate to derail your topic btw, but a quick thought before I log for the night, if Obama stands for "new" politics, Hillary should bring up the fact that he paid for a lawyer to get the rest of them disqualified. Isn't that as he describes it "same old"? Or is doing that considered racist?

[jgilmore]

I understand your frustration. I guess since I am in North Texas, the Obama "maniacs" are few and far between unless you go into the black community. I was really shocked last week when I went to vote in the primary by something I saw. I live in a rural county. Most folks are farmers, and are white. Yet, set up right outside our polling place was a table for Obama with a staffer that had been there all day. I complained first of all to the election judge who informed me that Texas law only required such to be 100 feet away from the polling sight. The election judge was also frustrated by this guy and suggested he go home. The fellow was here from Chicago. We only had about 4,000 people vote in all of Fannin County. The number at our precinct was much less. Yet, they had someone there all the way from Chicago.

[JOY TO THE WORLD]

I too understand your frustration--some members of my family who live in Philly are voting for O-man, however, I have been gently sending emails with articles that are hopefully making them wake up to the truth about O-man. Just sent the great video of the two elderly ladies who are supporting Hillary and will continue to send emails, as warrant. Nevertheless, my frustration now has become a FIGHT against the evil and wicked O-man. He thinks that he has this election in the bag--but one thing he doesn't realized, and that is his bag is full of holes; Sinclair, Rezko, Canada, Famous Monster Statement, letter found on computer of Colombia terrorist Reyes, million dollar home and questionable campaign finances. Before we Hillary supporters know it...well, let's just say, O-man will be crying him a dry river.

Hillary for President!! All the way in 08 :):):):)

[SoCal4Hillary]

I forgot to mention one of my BIGGEST sources of frustration: My mother. No, she's not supporting Obama (thank goodness), and she voted for Clinton in our primary. However, she has said numerous times, including yesterday, that Hillary would rely on Bill to tell her how to run the country :rolleyes: and that Hillary "couldn't even keep her own house in order!" I'm not sure which of those statements pissed me off the most, but we were out yesterday when she said them and we ended up having a shouting match (well, *I* guess I must admit that *I* was doing the shouting) in the car. I can't believe that my mom--even though she voted for Hillary and will do so again in November [if given the opportunity]--has these outdated, sexist beliefs in her head. But she does...

[lanney]

I'm feeling extraordinarily frustrated right now, both in my personal AND online lives, because of people who are supporting Obama. As everybody knows (because I've droned on and on about it!), my daughter and son-in-law are Obama-ites, and that's bad enough, but people I THOUGHT I knew really well on a [non-political] message board have shocked me by lambasting Hillary and telling me they're supporting the cult leader. :eek: One person in particular--who is a STRONG feminist and reminds me of myself, only younger--is really pissing me off with her anti-Hillary comments and her cult-like devotion to Obama. What the hell is it about that man? Why am I completely missing it?! I'm SICK of hearing--almost verbatim--the exact same "reasons" people in my life are supporting him: "He can unite the country!" (HUH? Where'd they get that idea?) "He's so inspiring!" (Hello? Are we talking about the same EMPTY man?)

Sorry, I guess I just needed to vent. Comment if you're so inclined...or not. :)

Ask your lovedone few questions -
In case terrorist/OBL are hiding in Kenya, do you think Obama will bomb Kenya without informing his own family in Kenya (6-8 half brothers and sisters, three step mothers and three step grand mothers and huge number of uncle and aunts)?
Do you think Hillary or McCain will have such dilemma?

[G4Hillary]

SoCal4Hillary,

The Republicans are so good at bringing fake prophets down to earth, I must say you follow their lead on this one.

Basically I have driven many people away from RezkObama by talking about Rezko, NAFTA, Pastor Wright, and the anti-American Michelle Obama. Once you get into detail about these and other things with people they usually start hating Obama. It's a quick turn around.

The problem is that they just don't know him and start believing the media hype. You just have to tell the truth and Obama support dries up faster than a drop of water in the Death Valley.

[skc1976]

It's ok to vent every once in a while. I admit, I had an outburst last night when he was trying to make Virginia appear as if they matter. I know that Virginia doesn't matter in the general election if he's the nominee because in looking at the state, he's going to fall WAY behind in some key areas. Hillary has a much better shot here.

But it's definitely frustrating. What is encouraging though is some of the positives that can be taken from Mississippi and the fact that it seems people are slowly waking up to Oblahma. Let's hope it's not too late. Keep the faith and rant when you need to. We're here for you!

[memphis]

Most are in love with him. And you know what its like when you are in love.
You are blink and deaf to anything other than your love.

[SoCal4Hillary]

Thanks, everyone, for your comments. It's good to know I have a support system I can truly rely on.

The problem--and I'll admit straight off that this is primarily my own doing--I run into is that I am SO passionate about being pro-Hillary and anti-Obama, my passion tends to make Obama-ites DEFEND him even more. :rolleyes: Does that make any sense? I feel so upset and so frustrated that what's PLAIN AS DAY to me (and all of you guys, too, of course!) isn't being seen by these other folks, and then I guess I get carried away and it actually has the reverse effect from what I want.

In general, I am not one to proselytize, as I find that I can usually get people to see the error of their ways [in things like eating meat] by CALMLY explaining facts to them. For some reason, however, when it comes O-blah-blah-blah-ma I feel such an urgency...such a need to REALLY get the message out, RIGHT NOW!, that I guess I'm going overboard. Any suggestions?!

[Tea toaD]

I have to step away from the computer when I read a lot of the Obama hype. At least here we can all stick together. Keep hanging in there:)

[SD]

i feel your pain. i had to leave a support forum i have belonged to since 2001. mostly college students and 30's mothers. and they shout down any of us who dare question them on obama. i stopped logging in because they are so fanatical and shout hate. yet all they can come up with to back their beliefs is "his message is inspiring and uniting". they seem literally unable to question one thing the media blows out of proportion.

it is really great to have this safe haven. :o

[SoCal4Hillary]

See, as Susannah shows, it's not just the Obama cult members in MY life who use those EXACT same words: Uniting, inspiring, blah blah blah. Where did they get the idea that Obama can unite ANYONE? Did I sleep through it? :confused:

[KYWildcatFan]

You are not alone. I hear your frustration and feel your pains. I am like you in my passion for Hillary. I get so angry at the news stations I could just scream. :mad: I have even found myself yelling back to them when they say things that are half truths or completely false. I counter back with the whole story or correct them with the true facts. (My ten year old son knows more about the issues than most adults.) I often wonder how they got where they are, don't they research anything before they talk about things. :confused: Then I started thinking.....if they are being so slanted on these issues....well....how much of the other news are we seeing that is not true.

I live in Kentucky and the show downs have not started here yet. However I feel the community I live in will be 75% if not more in favor of Hillary. Yet, I plan on going every where in KY to declare the truths about Obama in a calm and peaceful way. :cool:

I wrote on here once about how I talk to younger voters. Slyly mentioning different situations that are not on the topic of politics......well those sly questions get them to thinking. :confused: I guess what I try to do is play it cool like Hillary does. I think to myself, even though there is a fire in my heart, how can I make them think? Calm is the best way to go. :cool:

Something else I noticed, and I am seriously not trying to offend anyone, but it's the way the Obama cult followers rant on blogs. He says he has the educated vote but when I read what they write it seems to me they are thugs. It's all hate. Their gibberish is full of nonsense.

On here and when I have visited "news" blog all the Hillary supporters write with sophistication, no gibberish. :) I don't think, for the most part, his cult followers really are informed. Seems to me they are just marching to the beat of what ever he spits out to them. I have heard him being compared to a pop/rock star. We all know about those one hit wonders; he'll be one of them soon enough.

But please vent all you want. We all need to do that. I understand because, I like you, feel as though I am going to explode when I listen to the "news". I keep thinking and sometimes speaking out loud, how in the world are you capable of telling us the news when all you do is lie. :mad:

K, I ranted and vented long enough. When you get a bit or even wildly upset, just come here. This forum is full of good people who really have good news to share. Also visit the thread that has funny cartoons and jokes that Murray started here. It'll make you smile!:)

[joeylee]

That bothers me most?

I am still baffled that every time I hear someone speak of the "Obama voted against the war since day #1, Hillary voted for the war"

When I ask them if they realize that Obama was NOT a US Senator, they say, "NO!", each and every time. It's NEWS to them! Why?!

He became a US Senator in 2004, therefor had not been in the US Senate for the "so-called" vote.

This is so simple to explain yet seems no one is saying it quite as clearly? Is it me? Anyone? (my 2 cents, and need to vent...) thanks!
JoeyLee* :confused:

[KateMaro]

Never feel sad, I believe Obama is waging a war against A lot of people by playing the race card.
Future generation is looking to us, they need Hillary Clinton to tell them good people working every best won't be denied of their talent and work because of his/ her gender, they can't look to Obama for role model

[Les33]

I was thinking about this today. How he has way too many people believing in him, when, to me, he's so clearly a fraud. I find myself wishing for some ultimate authority, God I guess, to pronounce him a phony, no doubt about it, and for his followers to slink away in the most extreme humiliation.

Just the fact that his people are best described as "followers," while Hillary's are "supporters"

[SoCal4Hillary]

That bothers me most?

I am still baffled that every time I hear someone speak of the "Obama voted against the war since day #1, Hillary voted for the war"

When I ask them if they realize that Obama was NOT a US Senator, they say, "NO!", each and every time. It's NEWS to them! Why?!

He became a US Senator in 2004, therefor had not been in the US Senate for the "so-called" vote.

This is so simple to explain yet seems no one is saying it quite as clearly? Is it me? Anyone? (my 2 cents, and need to vent...) thanks!
JoeyLee* :confused:That whole "Hillary voted FOR the war!" thing really gets to me--so much so that I recently posted this entry (http://smartassproducts.blogspot.com/2008/03/o-blah-blah-blah-ma-or-how-obama-speaks.html) in my own blog, breaking down Clinton's speech on the Senate floor when she voted "for" the Iraq war. Take a look and then comment if you'd like. :)

[justme819]

That bothers me most?

I am still baffled that every time I hear someone speak of the "Obama voted against the war since day #1, Hillary voted for the war"

When I ask them if they realize that Obama was NOT a US Senator, they say, "NO!", each and every time. It's NEWS to them! Why?!

He became a US Senator in 2004, therefor had not been in the US Senate for the "so-called" vote.

This is so simple to explain yet seems no one is saying it quite as clearly? Is it me? Anyone? (my 2 cents, and need to vent...) thanks!
JoeyLee* :confused:

well...i hear ya about the war vote...and it bugs me to death to hear him use this line when ever Hillary or McCain bring up something showing his vast inexperience...or anything else, it often seems, for that matter...many times, it seems like that`s all he has to fall back on...quite simply, he uses this all the time to try to defend his so-called great judgement!

so i came up with a reply which i use on all these internet forums, blogs, etc...no one has been able to give a good response back concerning this issue so far...it goes like this:


to begin with, in the Cleve. debate, Obama stated that he`d take action...if intel indicated that Al-Quaeda was building a base there...what?...wait a min!...this from a guy who stated he was against the war from the start?!...

when the war started, the US had intel which indicated that Al-Quaeda had bases in Iraq...the very same condition in which Obama states he`d take action over there...just like Bush did!!!

which means Obama was either lying in the debate or when he says he was against the war from the start.

btw, Hillary showed her superior experience, etc., by correctly answering this question...because a good Commander-in-Chief needs to know the facts before answering such questions...

she was also correct in pointing out that Obama wasn`t even in the Sen. at the start to vote on the war...and he`s going to say what ever makes him look good...so, of course he`s going to say that he was against the war from the start...makes him look smarter than everyone else...especially to his followers...

and speeches, etc., aren`t the same...there`s a HUGE difference between giving speeches, etc., and voting with a constituency to answer to, nearly all of who were for the war at the time...

in fact, on and just after 9/11, very nearly every American was for going to war or dropping a bomb on those responsible for what took place...especially NYer`s...

quite simply, Today`s world is too dangerous for a Pres. to be learning on the job...and openly negotiating without pre-conditions...with our enemies/terrorists...many of who HOPE every American drops dead this very moment...and would CHANGE the United States to something other than democracy...to think otherwise, like Obama, is extremely naive.

so, i can see it now...terrorists in the streets with signs which say,

"OBAMA 08!...CHANGE EVEN WE CAN BELIEVE IN!!!"

hope that helps... :) it always makes me feel better after posting it! :cool:

[PuppyDogMom]

I discovered this site a couple of weeks ago, but didn't get really connected until last night. It's great to have a safe place to come to, and to get relatively immediate feedback from folks.

What's most interesting is how nice HRC people are, and how nasty Obama supporters are. That says a lot right there, don't you think?

[justme819]

That whole "Hillary voted FOR the war!" thing really gets to me--so much so that I recently posted this entry (http://smartassproducts.blogspot.com/2008/03/o-blah-blah-blah-ma-or-how-obama-speaks.html) in my own blog, breaking down Clinton's speech on the Senate floor when she voted "for" the Iraq war. Take a look and then comment if you'd like. :)

WOW!...Outstanding!...after reading the entire speech, it becomes quite clear to me that she was NOT VOTING FOR THE WAR...SHE WAS, HOWEVER, VOTING TO LET BUSH HANDLE THE WAR HOWEVER HE SAW FIT...AS LONG AS HE LOOKED INTO MORE PEACEFUL SOLUTIONS 1ST!!!

[Laura Cereta]

I was thinking about this today. How he has way too many people believing in him, when, to me, he's so clearly a fraud. I find myself wishing for some ultimate authority, God I guess, to pronounce him a phony, no doubt about it, and for his followers to slink away in the most extreme humiliation.

Just the fact that his people are best described as "followers," while Hillary's are "supporters"

I believe that he will show his true colors. It's sad that people are going to have to find out the hard way. He will tell them himself as his actions will continue to be in contrast with his words.

[SoCal4Hillary]

I believe that he will show his true colors. It's sad that people are going to have to find out the hard way. He will tell them himself as his actions will continue to be in contrast with his words.This is just what happened in 1972! SO MANY people bought into Richard Nixon's...whatever it was that attracted people to him...and by the time the masses realized just what his true colors were, it was way too late. Yes, he [and all of his crooked cohorts] resigned, but it would've been so much nicer if he had never been re-elected in the first place. If by some fluke Obaminable actually wins the general election...oh, dear, what are we in for?

[mjoynaples]

I really feel this frustration too- I do not understand where the EXPERIENCE is that is needed for the JOB of PRESIDENT of the USA EXCEPT with HILLARY.The fact that anyone especially BO would be so insulting to say OVER AND OVER again and for the BIASED media to also affirm that being the First Lady somehow didn't give HRC any experience either to me is SEXIST and insulting not only to HRC but all the other First Ladies who may not have done their work like HILLARY however many of them work hard for many wide and important and varied causes and because of their job as first lady they need to use their influence wisely and well. IT IS nothing to be snubbed at to be sure. YET over and over and over again he does this and the vileness of his supporters and the MEDIA and especially the women on the these shows what I now refer to as "reality opinions"- AND the implications now is that it is HILLARY's fault that she is dragging this primary out to ruin the party... I have written on more than one occasion to both Kerry, Daschle, Kennedy and Pelosi to cool it and stop trying to get their guy in and let the PEOPLE decide and if they want to blame someone for what is going on they need to look at themselves because if this is how they would hire the BEST PERSON for the job of PRESIDENT they are seriously lacking... Daschle and Kerry both defended BO foreign leadership skills by saying he has as much foreign policy experience as Bush and Reagan WHAT these are DEMS supporting a WEAK Dem candidate using these 2 Rep presidents that we have had serious problems with?? THIS makes NO sense... WE NEED TO DO WELL in PA... someone said at hillaryclinton.com that 85% a big leap would give HRC all the delegates... LET's DO IT!!! I really appreciate HRC supporters we get to say and work it out and be inspired because HILLARY as PRESIDENT IS going to be inspiration in action and that is going to be a great opportunity for all the PEOPLE of the USA and better relations with the world.

[Marie]

I'm feeling extraordinarily frustrated right now, both in my personal AND online lives, because of people who are supporting Obama. As everybody knows (because I've droned on and on about it!), my daughter and son-in-law are Obama-ites, and that's bad enough, but people I THOUGHT I knew really well on a [non-political] message board have shocked me by lambasting Hillary and telling me they're supporting the cult leader. :eek: One person in particular--who is a STRONG feminist and reminds me of myself, only younger--is really pissing me off with her anti-Hillary comments and her cult-like devotion to Obama. What the hell is it about that man? Why am I completely missing it?! I'm SICK of hearing--almost verbatim--the exact same "reasons" people in my life are supporting him: "He can unite the country!" (HUH? Where'd they get that idea?) "He's so inspiring!" (Hello? Are we talking about the same EMPTY man?)

Sorry, I guess I just needed to vent. Comment if you're so inclined...or not. :)

I'm with you on this! What is everyone seeing that I'm not? I don't get it either. And the CULT is really ticking me off. Really. My neighbor says: He brings people together! What? What do you mean by that? I want to say: He's dividing the party, not uniting the party, you idiot!

[Brooke]

The only time I get into an argument with my family is when my mom swears up and down she'll vote for Obama regardless. BUT..my entire family voted for Hillary and my mom is a huge Hillary supporter, like me. But they're Democrats and they will vote for Obama and I can't talk about that with them because I get angry and hopefully it won't be an issue when all this is over.

I'm a a tough spot here. Because a lot of people felt that way about Bill when he ran in 1992. Difference was, he actually HAD experience and wasn't just talk. Not to mention, he was a lot smarter than Obama. But look, I was drinking the Bill Clinton Kool Aid for a LONG time. So I can somewhat understand.

However, as we know, the Kool Aid ran out and because I set my expectations up so high and put him so high up on a pedestal like these Obama people have with him, I ended up being let down in 1998. And I hit the earth HARD. I see the same thing with these people, even though theyr'e older than I was (which to me is just comical). There's no way he can live up to their God like expectations for him and they are going to be seriously disappointed. I've said it to everyone "I'm not trying to be cynical, but I've been there and I paid for it" So I just roll my eyes. I only get annoyed at the Obama-ites on another forum I'm on, there are a few and they all make me want to puke.

So vent away..you're not alone!!

[CGP]

Well, frustration...Where to start?!?

How extraodinarily disturbing and infuriating it is to watch millions of people vote for a man who is hell bent on destroying the Democratic party, a man who has no conscience and who will do anything, say anything, to rise to power. And Obama's refusal to comment or pass judgment on the appalling, abusive and destructive behavior of many of his "supporters" tells us exactly the kind of "leader" this man is. He is a "leader" who relies on DIVISION, ATTACK, DISHONESTY and DISCRIMINATION to score votes. Distrubing, very disturbing.

WAKE UP AMERICA!

[SoCal4Hillary]

I'm having a bit of a brain fart right now, and I don't recall what made me think of this (must've been SOMETHING in this thread...), but remember at the last debate when Hillary got booed? What was it she said...? (Sorry, I'm sleep-deprived right now and can't think straight.) Damn! I can't think of it. But whatever her comment was, it was basically a swipe at Obama, but it was the TRUTH, and people booed her. And I'm seeing that basic concept play out over and over again throughout this campaign, regardless of WHO says it, if it's perceived as a swipe at Oblahma--even if it's true!--the public and media are outraged, and can't stop talking about it. If they'd spend half the effort they're putting into taking things out of context and getting outraged at supposed swipes against their cult leader, and instead spend it finding out if there was any truth to the comment...we'd be so much better off. They SHOULD be outraged...but at their cult leader, NOT at Hillary. :confused:

[Disfranchised]

I am not frustrated that people support BO. I am frustrated the way they support him. I am also frustrated with cable TV commentators and owners. I have made a decision not to support the TV station that allows their commentators bash Hillary and woman. I am making a list of products that is being advertised by the Timewarner and GE various stations. I will no longer buy them. The interesting fact is most of the ads I saw today were products a girl would use like hair coloring, make up,.. I am sending the product companies CEO emails and letting them know why they lost a client and why they will lose more. I am sure they will not appreciate the fact that the stations they are advertising their products are sexist.;)
CNN and MSNBC are taking most of BO TV advertisement share; No wonder they allow their MEOWS commentators to go wild bashing Hillary. It comes to money. The way to hurt them is to make them lose money.

[BloodDAnna]

"couldn't even keep her own house in order!" Thats a direct quote from Michelle Obama

[SoCal4Hillary]

"couldn't even keep her own house in order!" Thats a direct quote from Michelle ObamaIt is, isn't it? I wasn't sure. What it shows me when I hear my mother say it is just how pervasive the nonstop, hero-worshiping coverage of the Obamas has been. And keep in mind that my mother voted for Clinton in our primary! And will vote for her again in November, yet she can't help but get a little case of brainwashing...

[skc1976]

Just the fact that his people are best described as "followers," while Hillary's are "supporters"

This is an AMAZING statement. I've not seen this kind of comment before and I love it!!!!

[skc1976]

I'm having a bit of a brain fart right now, and I don't recall what made me think of this (must've been SOMETHING in this thread...), but remember at the last debate when Hillary got booed? What was it she said...? (Sorry, I'm sleep-deprived right now and can't think straight.) Damn! I can't think of it. But whatever her comment was, it was basically a swipe at Obama, but it was the TRUTH, and people booed her. And I'm seeing that basic concept play out over and over again throughout this campaign, regardless of WHO says it, if it's perceived as a swipe at Oblahma--even if it's true!--the public and media are outraged, and can't stop talking about it. If they'd spend half the effort they're putting into taking things out of context and getting outraged at supposed swipes against their cult leader, and instead spend it finding out if there was any truth to the comment...we'd be so much better off. They SHOULD be outraged...but at their cult leader, NOT at Hillary. :confused:

If I remember correctly, in the last debate, the comment that she was booed for was the SNL comment. It was a jab at her always getting the question first and him getting an easier one. For the record, at the debate party here, we CHEERED!

[BloodDAnna]

I was kinda bummed and mildy freaked out the week leading up to her massive win last week. What I have done to rectify that is to

1. Stay away from the political shows MSNBC, CNN etc
2. Read positive Hillary threads on message boards & her site
3. Stay away from the anti-Obama threads on any site
4. Go to the SNL site and watch Al Gore as President and the Pro Hillary segments as many times as I want
5. Take a few days away from all of it and enjoy a book, movie, shopping

[Joe from WI]

How to get her more than 20%? What can we do? We need plans, we need mobilization of people from ground up.

I'm thinking of contacting mark penn, but i would like list down my ideas:

1) Actively send messages (via emails) to Hillary supporters to volunteer on the ground. Send the message everyday or every other day.

2) Have a hotline no. just for people like us to call for specifically 1 thing:
- Ground volunteer in PA, NC, IND.

3) Send emails to every Hill supporter on the program of the rally everyday, IN advance by 2-3days, so Hill supporters can take advantage and help/volunteer/spread the word.

4) Open more campaign office and sub-stations (eg. in volunteer's homes) across PA, NC and IND so as to coordiante support base from ground up in every sector of the districts.

5) Web page highlights the same requests of points (1-3).

What do you think? Perhaps you guys have better ideas pls let me know. I seriously will contact Mark Penn/ Maggie Williams.

Joe from WI

[G4Hillary]

That bothers me most?

I am still baffled that every time I hear someone speak of the "Obama voted against the war since day #1, Hillary voted for the war"

When I ask them if they realize that Obama was NOT a US Senator, they say, "NO!", each and every time. It's NEWS to them! Why?!

He became a US Senator in 2004, therefor had not been in the US Senate for the "so-called" vote.

This is so simple to explain yet seems no one is saying it quite as clearly? Is it me? Anyone? (my 2 cents, and need to vent...) thanks!
JoeyLee* :confused:

Joey you are absolutely right about this. I am sorry to say but Hillarys campaign has done a terrible job of pointing this out properly. She needs to just say what you did. Obama didn't vote against the war! And then let the media analyze vote vs speech. And then the issue goes away easily.

The campaign screwed up early on, but now it's on message.

[EH]

Fortunately I'm not frustrated in that it's easy to outsmart the average Obama supporter. Just ask what his plan is, why he voted for the Surge or what he actually did for Katrina victims. They answer exactly like he does...uhm...uh...hope...change... When they start lambasting Hillary I just tell them that it's unfortunate that Obama supporters have to resort to insults - it means that you have no foundation with which to back your candidate. Honestly, I don't even bother defending Hillary with Obamanots any more - it's a waste of my time and an insult to my intelligence.

[JamieKuuipo]

I HAVE ENCOUNTERED ALOT BEING HERE IN HAWAII TEMP, AND A FLORIDA
VOTER. THEY CAME AT ME WHILE I WAS STANDING IN LINE AT THE
NFL PRO BOWL HERE IN HAWAII AND TRIED TO PUT A OBAMBA STICKER
ON ME WITH OUT EVEN ASKING. THEY RAN AROUND THERE MINDLESS..

I let out my charm: " GET AWAY FROM ME I SAID"
Gave them a sturn look and said HOW SURE ARE YOU ABOUT WHAT YOU
ARE DOING. HOW SURE ARE YOU ABOUT OBAMBA?

THROUGH SOME HOLY WATER : AND THEY DROPPED TO THERE FEET, LOOKING
DAISED AND CONFUSED.

I EXOR-CISED THE DEMON OUT TO THEM.

hAAAA

[Lodi]

That bothers me most?

I am still baffled that every time I hear someone speak of the "Obama voted against the war since day #1, Hillary voted for the war"

When I ask them if they realize that Obama was NOT a US Senator, they say, "NO!", each and every time. It's NEWS to them! Why?!

He became a US Senator in 2004, therefor had not been in the US Senate for the "so-called" vote.

This is so simple to explain yet seems no one is saying it quite as clearly? Is it me? Anyone? (my 2 cents, and need to vent...) thanks!
JoeyLee* :confused:

Obama's big thing is that he was against the vote to authorize (Bush) with war powers, and therefore his judgment is superior to Hillary's. He claims she didn't read all the Intel material. He's referring to a document that was public, that he read and based his decision on.

Now here's the problem with that one-note wonder's agrument: as I see it, there had to be classified documents that the public--that would include Obama, since he wasn't a US senator at the time--were not privy to. He wasn't sitting in the US Senate and so was not subjected to the pressure of Republican senators, either.

Well I didn't want Hillary or John Edwards to vote to authorize, but my judgment on that one issue alone does not qualify me--or anyone--to be president. Do I forgive Hillary and other senators who voted in favor? Of course. In fact, I couldn't even be fully upset because I wasn't walking in their shoes.

Furthermore, Hillary represents NY state. I know the effect Sept. 11 had on me, being right across from Ground Zero in Jersey City and feeling the pier I was standing on shake when the buildings fell. Shoot, the second plane circled right over where my neighbors and I were standing. We thought it was aiming for us. There were all kinds of trauma that everyone suffered, to varying heartbreaking degrees. We were all irrevocably altered. I still jump when I hear loud noises.

I'm sure Hillary took into consideration the concerns of her constituents--New Yorkers, which includes the more conservative upstate folks--when making her decision. I'm sure the responsibility for the security of New Yorkers was paramount in her mind when deciding to authorize war powers, and I know neither she nor John Edwards and the others who voted yes thought Bush and Rumsfeld would be so reckless.

That NObama would continually take her to task for her vote shows a lack of grace and understanding. Remember, he thinks he's holier than thou. When he falls, it's going to be long drop down from his pedestal. He'll be lucky if he gets from anyone the compassion that he failed to exhibit toward his fellow human beings.

I think the truth about him will come to light. I just hope it does so sooner rather than later.
So that's my two and a half cents on the topic. I'm sure others here have more insightful views. :)

[joeylee]

Hi All*,
Thanks to Everyone* for the help. I've been contacted by a few people, David* and I* will be at HQ this morning, after an early Dr. appointment; then I will also attend the meeting later tonight, and David* and I* will be there to assist for the parade.
So Thanks To All* for Helping!
JoeyLee* "It's On!" :)