answer from an ob supporter

[SD]

i asked a friend, a big obama supporter, if she feels the obama people will vote for mccain if hillary wins the nomination. i asked because some of us here say we will never vote for obama. here is her response to me:

Considering that I've been saying for months that I won't vote for Hillary under any circumanstances, you could say that is the case. Interestingly, I think the Hillary people are softer on this than the Obama people are. The Hillary people are rank and file Dems who vote in any election. How many of them will really secede after a general election campaign? The Obama people are new voters who are only here because of him. Those people will have no problem either staying home, or voting for someone else.

Hillary has backed the unitary executive, authorized a war without reading the relevent intelligence documents, and now is engaged in despicable race baiting in order to split the party. She cannot mathematically win. She cannot mathematically even pull ahead. She is banking on the party to save her.

You bet, if she wins because the party big wigs step in and overrule the will of the people, we'll riot, secede, and vote for McCain.

this person is a politcal science major, now in grad school. is it just me, or is this actually frightening?

[neutralplayer]

Riots? Secede....?

Someone is moody?

[Bacio83]

I think they should ask for their money back :) Poli sci major indeed.

[Ohio mom]

i asked a friend, a big obama supporter, if she feels the obama people will vote for mccain if hillary wins the nomination. i asked because some of us here say we will never vote for obama. here is her response to me:



this person is a politcal science major, now in grad school. is it just me, or is this actually frightening?

BUT IT'S NOT ABOUT RACE, HUH???:eek::confused:

[KYWildcatFan]

I don't think any of us Hillary supporters said anything about riots. Does that not speak to the mentality of his cult followers? As far as this college educated person goes..............what are they teaching now days? Seems like who ever paid for that education just wasted a lot of money.

[KYWildcatFan]

These young obama college educated voters are suppose to be our future? Somebody had better save us.............HILLARY WE NEED YOU!!!!!!!!!

[CGP]

In relation to your friend's statements about the Iraq War and "race baiting", she is the victim of Obama's propaganda. Sad.

And the claims about the rioting are just disturbing - who are these people?

[LetsHelpAmerica]

The real frightening aspect to this is the fact that these people are dooped into thinking it is the Hillary campaign that is into , so called , race baiting game!!!!
That is so difficult to fathom!! Can they not see that it was Obama who made race part of his campaign strategy? Can't these , obviously, intelligent people look at
some records? Do they really think the Clintons are racists?? Is this why Bill was called the first black president? Can they not see Hillary's advocacy for so many years which lends itself to supporting civil rights and blacks?
Has this kool-aid really had that much of a brainwashing effect?????
People, PLEASE keep away from that kool-aid!!

[RAFREE]

They are right about one think, core dems, long term dems ARE voting for her. Is this person saying our votes dont' matter now because unless these NEW voters get what they want they will riot and then leave the party? This party was doing better than fine without them so don't let the door hit their butts on the way out and the sooner the better. The threats of riots should make us all the more determined not to let this group of people take over this party and elect their neocon nominee.

[memphis]

I am not concerned about what they might do. If they break the law, they will be arrested and put into jail.
We don't need those sort of people voting for Hillary anyway.
But for the most part they will vote for her. She knows she represents their interests.

[LetsHelpAmerica]

I don't think any of us Hillary supporters said anything about riots. Does that not speak to the mentality of his cult followers? As far as this college educated person goes..............what are they teaching now days? Seems like who ever paid for that education just wasted a lot of money.

It's kind of that arrogance that Obama himself permeates through his every move! He wants what he wants and he wants it at all cost.

[justme819]

i asked a friend, a big obama supporter, if she feels the obama people will vote for mccain if hillary wins the nomination. i asked because some of us here say we will never vote for obama. here is her response to me:



this person is a politcal science major, now in grad school. is it just me, or is this actually frightening?

they gave all the wrong reasons and screwed up their facts...they`ve earned an F with such an uninformed response...no doubt this person is flunking out of grad school...if the world`s lucky... :D i`d certainly flunk them! ;) :cool:

[josephm]

These voters are dangerous and unreliable when it comes to the general election. They use emotions of hate and popularity (rather than facts and credentials). When November comes, many more scandals on Obama will come out. The popularity will likely fade. The democratic party then end up with a candidate who neither have something solid to offer in his hand nor the unreliable support he has now. YIKES!!!

[SD]

i am so glad to know it wasn't just me who felt spooked by her reply. i asked her specifically because she is so level headed. i was actually surprised by her response.

i emailed her back and told her that i agree with what geraldine ferraro said. that none of us can disagree without being called racist. i am waiting for a response. i expect to get a load of "obama propaganda".

the attitude they give that "only the young voters know what is right" is offensive, and their response is "the older democrats had their turn and ruined the country". funny me, i always believed george bush, both sr and jr, were republicans. :p

[Peppermint Patty]

LOL well now I really will vote for McCain if NObama's the nominee. Little turd. Yes, what ARE they teaching in poly sci these days? Anarchy, riots... good grief. Apparently she hasn't taken enough math classes either, because NObama cannot mathematically win the nomination at this point either. Neither will. Hasn't she been paying attention??? Or do all NObama people only read/see/hear what they want? Silly child. And this age divisiveness? Hello? Nobama's part of the tail end of the baby boomer generation... or is it ok to insult the older half of the boomer generation and not the younger half?

[RachachaSharon]

Are these the "future" voters the DNC wants to cultivate? They think the long time Dems are old.

[justme819]

well...exit polls in Miss., a state with a hi % of black voters, showed that more Hillary supporters would not be satisfied with Obama...then Obama supporters with Hillary... :p ;)

and, as to these young Obamatized not supporting Hillary...who cares?...they`re already not supporting Hillary!...and generally don`t vote in the gen. election anyway...Remember MTV`s, 'Vote or Die', stance to motivate the youth to elect Pres. Kerry?...they still didn`t show up...despite MTV doing a good job of making it appear like a life and death situation...

and, since most of this young group of voters are still too ignorant to recognize when they`re being duped, etc., by a smooth-talking politician...and have almost no real life experience to base their votes on, i say let them leave for now...as someone astutely pointed out, we were fine without them.

again, imho, most of them are too ignorant of the real world...with very little real world experience...voting for a guy with little to no experience...

makes perfect sense to me... ;)

[BooskerD]

In relation to your friend's statements about the Iraq War and "race baiting", she is the victim of Obama's propaganda. Sad.

And the claims about the rioting are just disturbing - who are these people?

To be perfectly frank...I think there will be rioting if Obama loses the nomination. I've seen threats of it elsewhere.

[memphis]

Let them riot. They will just show their butts and be arrested.
I certainly hope threats are not going to prevent Hill or Hill supporters or the DNC from doing the right thing. Which is to bring out the truth criminal aspects of Obama's background and to seat the FL and MI delegates.

[tcbwriter]

They are right about one think, core dems, long term dems ARE voting for her. Is this person saying our votes dont' matter now because unless these NEW voters get what they want they will riot and then leave the party? This party was doing better than fine without them so don't let the door hit their butts on the way out and the sooner the better. The threats of riots should make us all the more determined not to let this group of people take over this party and elect their neocon nominee.
A large percentage of his supporters are Independents (they have no party to leave) or Republicans. And of course the Democratic Party in their wisdom let's these people choose our nominee.

I can see why they support him, though, because they share his arrogance. These people who have NEVER voted before or who couldn't be bothered to vote in a primary think their will shall be done or they will riot? Arrogant, spoiled brats!

I think I'll retire in France. At least I'd have health care.

[tcbwriter]

LOL well now I really will vote for McCain if NObama's the nominee. Little turd. Yes, what ARE they teaching in poly sci these days? Anarchy, riots... good grief. Apparently she hasn't taken enough math classes either, because NObama cannot mathematically win the nomination at this point either. Neither will. Hasn't she been paying attention??? Or do all NObama people only read/see/hear what they want? Silly child. And this age divisiveness? Hello? Nobama's part of the tail end of the baby boomer generation... or is it ok to insult the older half of the boomer generation and not the younger half?
Of course it's okay to attack the "older half" - because THEY are doing it. If we simply mentioned they are young we'd be tarred and feathered and accused of racism!

[diane]

There it is again---the sentiment that if Hillary wins it's because "the party big wigs step in and overrule the will of the people"

The will of the people---NY, CA, and all the big states so far have gone to Hillary! But "somehow" BO and his supporters insist that if Hillary wins the Dem Non that it was somehow "stolen" or it was due to a "back-door/closed door deal". Gosh, I'm hoping that PA will go to Hillary in a landslide! But again, BO, his supporters and the media discount all the Big State Wins because they figure those States are automatic wins for the Dems in the GE anyway. Well, it'll serve them right and it'll also be a sad day if NY goes to a Republican in Nov. And even though it's probably cutting off my nose to spite my face---a part of me hopes it does if Hillary does not win the Dem Nom.

I bet your young friend is an avid listener to Air Obama Radio (previously Air America Radio). Even NPR has sadly slipped into the anti-Hillary pro-bO rhetoric, it's so deeply ingrained people don't even recognize the sexism for what it is.

[Les33]

It's hard to keep my cool with a smart ass young person like that. Spouting out nonsense as fact and smitten beyond any point of reasonable discourse. Really I just want to throw her across the room.

[Brooke]

Okay, as someone with a POLI SCI degree, I'm ASHAMED!!! I'm very level headed, more than I used to be anyway. This girl sounds like me when I was a teenager into politics: blind, naive, passionate and one sided.

This part frightens me.

The Obama people are new voters who are only here because of him. Those people will have no problem either staying home, or voting for someone else.

She says this like she's proud of it. So these Obama people are only involved in the system when it's convienent for them? Yeah I get it. Because that's what they teach us poli sci majors *gag* Can I ask where she goes to school? She might be brainwashed by her professors.

I'm willing to bet she goes to the polls even if Hillary gets the nomination and votes for her. I can't take anything any Obama supporter says seriously if they're so delusional. As I've said before, I was like alot of these supporters at one point, but I was 13. What's their excuse? These people should know better.

This sounds like much of what people on one of my other forums has been saying and to me, it's nonsense.

[SD]

i told her that what geraldine ferraro said was true. we get called racist if we disagree. here is her response:

In Michigan he wasn't on the ballot. You cannot count that state. BTW, new polling shows it to be a tie if there was a revote today. Bring it. If you just count FL, he's still ahead in the popular vote.

You really think being an African American is a bonus in political races? There have been THREE black senators since reconstruction. THREE. Period. In over a hundred years. ZERO black presidents or vice presidents. I fail to see how this is some great benefit. What Ferarro said was point blank racist, and she said the same thing about Jackson in 1988. That woman was not "saying what everyone feels" and people who do feel that are racist. I have no problem saying that.

BTW, the only thing that helps McCain is a Clinton nomination. You want to see Dems stay home, vote GOP and the GOP get motivated? Let those triangulating, lying race baiters steal the Dem nomination back to the White House and see what happens.

Also there are generational issues to consider here. All of the young, enthusiasm that Obama is bringing in are people who will vote Dem for years to come...you steal this election from them, they go GOP or abstain and don't look back.

Finally, coattails. IL-CD 14. The Dems won Hastert's seat in a special election with Obama campaigning for a neophyte Dem. That's just a preview. Come out west, no one wants the Clinton's campaigning for them here. It's why Obama has all the superdelegate support from red states where dems have ever won.


i don't know how to respond to this, so i am letting it go. "if *i* (or hillary supporters) "steal" this election, they "all will turn republican for life"? ummmm, bye? :D so if hillary gets the nomination, it means she/we *stole* it? she, like them all, have an answer for everything, usually wrong. :rolleyes:

[Brooke]

BTW, the only thing that helps McCain is a Clinton nomination

LMAO!!!! Puh-leaassee!! Don't make me laugh!!!The only thing that helps McCain is an OBAMA nomination!

Have you informed her that Hillary is winning in polls against McCain, over Obama?

[SD]

LMAO!!!! Puh-leaassee!! Don't make me laugh!!!The only thing that helps McCain is an OBAMA nomination!

Have you informed her that Hillary is winning in polls against McCain, over Obama?

i take back my belief that she is level headed. she just sent this:

He took his name off the ballot, as did EVERY other candidate except Hillary and Dodd, at the behest of the DNC because MI jumped the gun and it would have thrown the primary calendar into a tizzy.

I don't understand what Clintonites mean when they say "this isn't unity" are we supposed to roll over and let the queen go to her coronation? I don't understand. So she's allowed to fear monger, call Obama Ken Starr, say McCain is more qualified than the person LEADING the democratic race, etc., but we are just supposed to nod? I don't think so, I think calling out falsehoods is still part of a positive campaign. The difference is that you'll notice he never starts the mudslinging.

it is mathematically impossible for her to win. She said she'd abide by the MI and FL disqualification when they occurred (changed her mind when it benefited her, though) and she's literally tearing the party in two because she feels entitled. That is nauseating. I'll never vote for her.

i won't be responding back to her. i guess she too has been to the cool aid vat. :cool:

[Brooke]

OMG..Susannah..stop..this is giving me heart palpatations! She's too far gone. Don't bother arguing with her, you'll never win.

Thing is, she's throwing out the SAME rhetoric the Obama-ites and Hillary haters have been throwing out. I mean, she can't come up with something original?

But truth is, this is an example of what our party is facing.

[Sincere]

Media keeps saying over and over that Obama would do better than HRC. The facts do not bear that out..the polls do not show that.
The media is doing a real hit job on Hillary.
I have been reading and refuting bloggers. For those of you not sticking your necks out on the blogs, it is fierce.
They are radical and cult like. Reason does not appeal to them and many of my comments are refused.
That is the reason I could never vote for Obama. He and his followers frighten me about the future.
I presume Hillary will try to support him if he wins as she has always been someone that brings people together, but I really do not think I can do that.
My family and friends do not feel they can do that.
BTW my local county went 66% for Hillary. I am so proud.

[Laura Cereta]

No disrespect meant to your friend, but she's a political science major only interested in politics because of Obama?? Why major in it? I have a "poli-sci" BA and I've always kind of assumed that if people truly understood the intricacies of American politics, they wouldn't fall for the BO BS. Am I wrong about that, too? Everything surrounding his candidacy baffles me!! :confused:

[Brooke]

No disrespect meant to your friend, but she's a political science major only interested in politics because of Obama?? Why major in it? I have a "poli-sci" BA and I've always kind of assumed that if people truly understood the intricacies of American politics, they wouldn't fall for the BO BS. Am I wrong about that, too? Everything surrounding his candidacy baffles me!! :confused:

I don't think that's what she said. I believe the girl was a poli sci major first.

But there's nothing wrong with a political figure inspiring someone to go into politics, even if it's misdirected.

[pnevai]

The problem is that as intelligent, compasionate democrats, perhaps a little closer to center. We are being too nice. The loony left as the Repubs call them are just like the far right.

I think that it is getting time to borrow from the Republican Attack machine play book. Because that is exactly what will happen come november and he he withers under fire now, then it will be clear to the majority of moderalte liberals and independents that he would be toast in the Fall.

He has not had his swift boat AD, yet. Perhaps it's time. So far my inamges and you tube videos have been to pump Hillay up. But I am starting to store up material to go on the serious offensive. As my Obamaliens poster hinted at.

Kind of stirred up the Ob supporters when I posted it over at the DNC Blogs.

[SD]

i let it go. i cannot let her, or any obamanut, try to drag me down into the mud with them. the hate and ranting is for them. this just proves to me how very badly we need senator clinton.

[tcbwriter]

Kind of stirred up the Ob supporters when I posted it over at the DNC Blogs.

You did? What a riot! :D

[freespirit]

If ignorance is bliss, that girl is one blissed-out sister. The kool Ade must be laced with Jack Daniels. The one positive thing she said was that if Obummer loses, his cult of zombies will leave the Dem party. March on out ya'll and good riddence.

[mooaks]

Don't worry guys and gals. We'll get the economy back on track when he appoints Mr. Rezko as Secretary of the Treasury.

[xfiles]

I think this Obama supporter is typical of the mentality that allows someone to support him.

Sad!

[twain_harte]

I suspect Obama is getting a lot of cross-over vote from the republicans and independents in open primaries and of course those blasted caucuses. He will have a tough time in the general without all of us...and McCain knows that.

[freespirit]

I suspect Obama is getting a lot of cross-over vote from the republicans and independents in open primaries and of course those blasted caucuses. He will have a tough time in the general without all of us...and McCain knows that.

It seems that everyone gets it except the Kool Ade drinkers, the DNC, and the rest of the Dem leadership who has been blinded by the blight.

[G4Hillary]

This is great proof that the adults should make the decisions not easily swayed young pups. They are more susceptible to cult predators like RezkObama.

I think some of these kids just want to be important for some reason. They want to have a reason in life that is greater than their everyday mundane occurrences. So RezkObama recognizes all of this and sweeps in for the kill.

I actually feel quite sorry for some of these young people. They have no clue that he is just a crook who's conning them like a used car salesman. Poor kids, such a waste of their time and talent. Obama is just using and abusing them. Sad.

[EH]

You know, if you look back in history, what this "grad school student" is stating is nothing unlike what the Hitler youth used to say. This is what happens when insecure masses blindly follow what a power-hungry charlatan indoctrinates them with. It's alarming and dangerous, and I hope people open their eyes before it's too late.

[Carla]

this person is a politcal science major, now in grad school. is it just me, or is this actually frightening?[/QUOTE]

This is a good example of a person whose emotional intelligence is blocking her mental intelligence. Obama is appealing to people emotions and when you are in your 20's you are not as emotionally mature as you think you are. I remember when G.F. was VP nominee in '84-I was 17 and couldn't give a hoot. I had no ideas what it meant to be a woman and the crap I would have to put with as a woman. Sorry, but I'm tired and I'm in a "I'm tired for feeling guilty because I'm a woman mood."

Also, she is wrong on two points, I can see right off bat: 1. Hillary read the intelligence correctly re the war-and so did the majority of congress-Bush didn't provide congress with information saying we shouldn't go to war, and then Hillary voted for it anyway. Obama has been successful in getting people to believe that Hillary is the reason we are at war. Obama was not in the U.S. Senate at the time of the vote, wasn't privy to the same info, so he has no right to criticize. The majority of the American public was also for war at the time of the vote. Yes, the cover did say authorization to use force, but the force that the authorization was talking about was to use force to make sure the inspectors were able to get into Iraq. 2. Obama is race baiting: see article: http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html
Tim Russert from meet the press also confronted Obama about the memo mentioned in this article and Obama dismissed it and said we needed to move forward.

reg. dems vote in every election? how does she know that? Part of the reason Obama is so popular is because Bush is so bad. There are more dems voting for Hillary than ever before too. I just made that up b/c if your friend can make stuff up, so can I. Obama has young people snowed. You can't bash Obama because he hasn't been around long enough for there to be anything to bash-except his church, rezko, bill ayers, his corporate lawyer wife-but his supporters are so caught up in la la land -if you try and mention it, you are a racist.

With Hillary, you know her negatives and she doesn't pretend to be some holier than thou savior. Obama is setting himself up for a big fall. He is going to regret saying his government will be "transparent."

Obama is a media product being used by the media to sell their advertisers goods. End of story. Feel free to let your friend see this, and she can tear it apart and not agree with it all she wants. She states her group will secede. Okay...who is being dividing? Let me them secede and see how they like it when McCain wins and young women lose the right to get abortions and young guys get their butts drafted to Iraq.

I never cared about politics until Bush. Hillary inspired me and a alot of other people to join in this election. That is why she is #2, not out of the race. The caucus' is totally undemocratic and Obama was able to use this unfairly to his advantage. How does she feel about people not being able to vote in the caucus' by absentee ballot b/c they are in the military? How about elderly people who can't get there b/c they don't drive? Shift workers? Mothers and fathers with no babysitters? You need to keep harping on your friend. Friends come and go. Better to lose a friend than lose a country.

[Area504]

I've been a member of a political discussion board (CommonGroundCommonSense.org) for almost 4 years. Some of you may be familiar with it, if you were a member of the John Kerry forum in 2004. CGCS is the board that the admins of the JK forum started.

Anyway, the tone of the anti-Hillary topics and messages on that board have become quite vicious and toxic. There is no doubt in my mind that the Obama supporters on CGCS will cross over to McCain (or Nader) if HRC wins the nomination.

[movingtous]

Real people, in the real world that I know, will not vote for him. My family has always voted Democrat. There are about 14 votes in my family for Democrats, two went Obama. Of the remaining 12, we have all said that we would vote McCain, should Obama get the nod, since McCain is already pretty liberal. It's not about race, it's about TRUST. We do not trust Obama, period. He has shady connections that will come back to haunt him and us! I think Obama would also lose Florida and Ohio to McCain, should we Democrats not look at the writing on the wall.

[Lodi]

To be perfectly frank...I think there will be rioting if Obama loses the nomination. I've seen threats of it elsewhere.

If Hillary wins by a wide margin in PA--20 or more percentage points--I think all bets are off on rioting. Especially after she wins FL and MI.

[Lodi]

i take back my belief that she is level headed. she just sent this:

i won't be responding back to her. i guess she too has been to the cool aid vat. :cool:

If Obama were a genuine agent of change, he would have been running for POTUS independent of ANY political party affiliation. If you want to bring revolutionary change, you begin at the beginning.

For example, I worked on Councilman Steven Fullop's campaign in Jersey City in 2004. Even though the mayor and council race is labeled "nonpartisan," both the local Repug and Autocrat parties back their candidates. Now, you may or may not know that the Dem Party machine in Jersey City/Hudson County is notoriously corrupt--written about in poli-sci textbooks.

So anyway, Steve--a Dem by principle--ran completely independent of the Dem machine. He partially self-funded and took no politically linked or otherwise suspect contributions. Just contribs by regular people. He stood on his own two feet and BEAT the Hudson County machine. We did it!

Now that is a true change making!!

So, as I see it, Oblahma failed right out of the gate to distinguish himself as a new breed of candidate. Do you see what I mean? His second failure is that he didn't use his famous foresight and good judgment to question and protest the autocratic DNC rules that include "punishing" the voters of two states AND causing a future logistical and financial nightmare. You might say, "Well, no other candidate challenged these 'rules' from the very outset," but remember that, like Spitzer, Oblechma holds himself to a holier-than-thou standard and touts his change making and uniting skill.

Which brings me to this point: because discounting MI and FL works to Oblechma's benefit, he's content to have them disenfranchised in the primary. Any candidate who would accept a 48-state presidency is an agent of voter suppression and a stifler of civil rights. He doesn't uphold the most basic standard of democracy, so why should we believe he'd exceed it? He is trying to manipulate the system to his benefit. Now, that's really different!:rolleyes:

The primaries in FL and MI may well be redone, no thanks to Oblahma, who'd be content, as we've seen, to just discount those states. :eek: This is key to who he really is.

Everything about this poseur sets off my internal bullshit meter, beginning with his aforementioned failure to distinguish himself as a true independent. He's smug and dismissive. He speaks with a cadence that rings hollow and is the voice of a man too studied to be compassionate or in touch with the common person. I prefer the occasional anger that arises in voices like Hillary Clinton's, and like that of John Edwards. It's the sound of righteous indignation over the abominations and injustices of the past seven years. And it tells me that they've seen these wrongs up close and know firsthand the frustrations in trying to rectify them. Because no one who's seen with their own eyes could remain so calmly unmoved and modulated.

It's one thing to present oneself as above the fray, Spitzerlike, but it's another thing to live up to it. The truth will eventually out itself. Whether it does so in time, we can only hope.

And now I'm getting off my soapbox. Thank God I have my rubber-soled shoes on! :)

[Soren]

I am unaware of any race baiting Hillary has done.

Hillary has been as non-racist as she can be, being a white woman.

While all political analysts, including Obama and Ferraro and Clinton and Jackson tally up their probable votes on the basis of race, age, and gender, to talk about it publically is to re-introduce these divisions which we are trying to overcome.

Just as the Hillary camp ought not publically say things along racial lines, the Obama camp out not publically say things along sexist lines. Hence, to disqualify her experience going about the world to 80 countries as just wife-work as if Hillary is a mere decoration, is sexist. I heard a host on Air-Obamerica radio compare Hillary to Laura Bush, saying that Laura Bush is also qualified to be President. Should we call for the firing of that host? Or is that just ... silly?
:eek:
Where did our intelligence and grace of discourse go?