A rep from EMILY'S LIST Said "Women will Come Around" on Leher News Hour...

[Florida Dawn]

A women named "Ellen" something or other was being interviewed by Judy Woodruff this eveing on the Lehr news hour. Judy asked her, "What about those older women...will they come around and vote (Dem) in November?"

"O Yes," said Ellen What's-Her-Name. "They are just going through the 'five stages of grief', but when they see what is at stake, they'll around" (Judy Woodruff was saying, "Well, I don't know about that. We spoke with several (older women at the DNC meeting on Saturday and they didn't seem willing to 'come around'" while Ellen whomever just smiled smugly and nodded knowingly.

Shit! I was thinking of joining EMILY's List, but since they just expect me to roll over, say F*ck me harder and thank you, they aren't getting one cent of my husband's hard-earned money.

What about the rest of you "gals"? You comin' around in November and forget about Hillary and the rape of FL and MI?


Just Curious,
Florida Dawn

[CGP]

Yeah, damn right they will, but not in the way she is alluding to. The will "come around" alright - to the fact that Obama is a FRAUD who used sexism against Clinton to inflate his own flawed candidacy. Every single woman and man who voted for Hillary Clinton should be OUTRAGED by the way the Obama campaign took advantage of MISOGYNY to steal votes and to try and RUIN the character of Hillary Clinton! Disgusting and unforgiveable.

And I'll be doing my best to remind everyone of the above FACTS until Hillary Clinton emerges from the August convention as the nominee.

No to sexism. No to Barack Obama.

[joeysky18]

Women and Men will come around only if HRC is the nominee.

Get the fact straight Emily's list.

[Sandy in PA]

Ellen?

Please don't tell me that was Ellen Malcolm, the founder of Emily's List. If so, I'm done with them.

[shadow]

Oh sure. All us "little ladies" will get over our disappointment and see "THE Savior and swoon at his feet. Or not! :p

[Ijane]

"O Yes," said Ellen What's-Her-Name. "They are just going through the 'five stages of grief', but when they see what is at stake, they'll around"

oh my god! Who are these women activists? Were they imported from the Middle East? Would she say that about a man...the five stages of grief? She doesn't even give women credit for having a brain. She chalks our support off to emotion!

[Sandy in PA]

Was it this Ellen?

http://www.emilyslist.org/about/welcome/

[SadStateOfAffairs]

This reminds me of a friend of mine who was passed over for promotion by a less qualified male (but he was part of the good ol' boys club). The fellow had the guall to tell her that this is just the way it is because women are generally "passive and docile".

I'll never forget get that as long as I live. Women have been degraded by misogynist's long enough. Men and Women alike are ready to give them a real dose of "passive and docile". PUMA!

[Florida Dawn]

Here is the link to the entire interview. I was flipping stations and caught Ellen Malcolm's (yes, it was her) comments:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/jan-june08/wounds_06-05.html


Here's what I heard Ellen say--I have excerpted it, from the link, for your viewing convenience:


Obama prospects for November good

JUDY WOODRUFF: You say they'll come around, but we heard some of them just last Saturday at the Democratic National Committee, five days ago here in Washington, saying, "We're going for McCain." And we've heard them say that across the country.

ELLEN MALCOLM: You know, there's sort of -- what are the stages of grief, I remember reading about, and I think a lot of these voters are going through them. One minute they're sad; the next minute they're angry. But they're going to -- and everybody has to process it. I myself have to process my disappointment and even some anger about this.

But at the end of the day, we're going to come together, because we need to win this election and the country needs change.

[RachachaSharon]

Yeah, damn right they will, but not in the way she is alluding to. The will "come around" alright - to the fact that Obama is a FRAUD who used sexism against Clinton to inflate his own flawed candidacy. Every single woman and man who voted for Hillary Clinton should be OUTRAGED by the way the Obama campaign took advantage of MISOGYNY to steal votes and to try and RUIN the character of Hillary Clinton! Disgusting and unforgiveable.

And I'll be doing my best to remind everyone of the above FACTS until Hillary Clinton emerges from the August convention as the nominee.

No to sexism. No to Barack Obama.

And NO to ever contributing to the DNC again. Besides, I've already sent in my paperwork to go independent. Take that, dirty BO and DNC rats.

[ssmith]

what part of NO do they not understand??

[BooskerD]

What about the rest of you "gals"? You comin' around in November and forget about Hillary and the rape of FL and MI?


Just Curious,
Florida Dawn

Huh. Not very bloody likely. I can't believe that she went on the air and said that. I believe that they're trying to manipulate us- if the rest of us pathetic older women believe that our peers are going to vote Obama, the rest of us should cave.

Maybe we should write to Emily's list and tell them just how unlikely this scenario will be?

[RachachaSharon]

Oh sure. All us "little ladies" will get over our disappointment and see "THE Savior and swoon at his feet. Or not! :p

Does anyone remember the Buggs Bunny line "He don't know me vewwy well do he?" Like the bunny said!

[Sandy in PA]

Thanks for the transcript. What the hell is wrong with these women?

This is the last straw. Its like being is some kind of Twilight Zone episode watching them all bow down and defeat everything they supposedly worked so hard for, like WOMEN'S RIGHTS!!!

[Johnf]

A women named "Ellen" something or other was being interviewed by Judy Woodruff this eveing on the Lehr news hour. Judy asked her, "What about those older women...will they come around and vote (Dem) in November?"

"O Yes," said Ellen What's-Her-Name. "They are just going through the 'five stages of grief', but when they see what is at stake, they'll around" (Judy Woodruff was saying, "Well, I don't know about that. We spoke with several (older women at the DNC meeting on Saturday and they didn't seem willing to 'come around'" while Ellen whomever just smiled smugly and nodded knowingly.

Shit! I was thinking of joining EMILY's List, but since they just expect me to roll over, say F*ck me harder and thank you, they aren't getting one cent of my husband's hard-earned money.

What about the rest of you "gals"? You comin' around in November and forget about Hillary and the rape of FL and MI?


Just Curious,
Florida Dawn


Response to that;

Hillary clearly hasn't lost, and her supporters don't feel she has either, where there is no loss, there is no grief.

And besides, the older you get, the tougher you become, in other words, you smarten up and figure out what's reallly going on and can't be conned by expressions such as the 5 phases of grief. You know what's going down, what to expect and how to prepare for it, something some of the younger generation haven't figured out.....

[Ebinger]

How condescending - Ladies, get behind the smart smart man, that's your place - to encourage, support, and comfort the big important man. (gag)

She's miscalculating the fallout BIG time - all these McCain website popping up in this wekk alone should give them a clue.:rolleyes:

[RAFREE]

Yeah, damn right they will, but not in the way she is alluding to. The will "come around" alright - to the fact that Obama is a FRAUD who used sexism against Clinton to inflate his own flawed candidacy. Every single woman and man who voted for Hillary Clinton should be OUTRAGED by the way the Obama campaign took advantage of MISOGYNY to steal votes and to try and RUIN the character of Hillary Clinton! Disgusting and unforgiveable.

And I'll be doing my best to remind everyone of the above FACTS until Hillary Clinton emerges from the August convention as the nominee.

No to sexism. No to Barack Obama.

APPLAUSE! I will not go through the "five stages" because I'm not sad. I'm f'cking ANGRY. And when you get some women this mad, look out. NO I will NOT be a good girl and "come around" I woke up long ago to this pandering b.s. The nerve!!

They used hatred of women to try and destroy a woman who was voted The MOST admired woman in America year after year and those crazy people think I am going to fold on this one? Not in my lifetime. Five Stages indeed. They can spin on it and go through the "five stages" when Hillary is the nominee or Obama loses the G.E. because those are the only two options I'm coming around to.

[Ijane]

One minute they're sad; the next minute they're angry.

:eek: I'm in shock!!


I myself have to process my disappointment and even some anger about this.

Look she's allowing herself to express that she has some anger...but ever so slightly so not to appear aggressive or intimidating :rolleyes:

[Optixmom]

Here is the link to the entire interview. I was flipping stations and caught Ellen Malcolm's (yes, it was her) comments:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/jan-june08/wounds_06-05.html


Here's what I heard Ellen say--I have excerpted it, from the link, for your viewing convenience:


Obama prospects for November good

JUDY WOODRUFF: You say they'll come around, but we heard some of them just last Saturday at the Democratic National Committee, five days ago here in Washington, saying, "We're going for McCain." And we've heard them say that across the country.

ELLEN MALCOLM: You know, there's sort of -- what are the stages of grief, I remember reading about, and I think a lot of these voters are going through them. One minute they're sad; the next minute they're angry. But they're going to -- and everybody has to process it. I myself have to process my disappointment and even some anger about this.

But at the end of the day, we're going to come together, because we need to win this election and the country needs change.

Maybe Ellen thinks all of the horrendous things said and done to Hillary will be forgotten like Labor Pains during childbirth? For me, if I cannot have Hillary holding my hand through labor and coaching me through the pain, then I will take the epidural that McCain offers. Obama would just hand me a wooden spoon to bite on, shove me in a corner, and tell me to quit my whining...

[Sandy in PA]

Well, I'll be stuck in the "angry" stage, becasue "hell hath no fury....." And you know the rest.

[deniseds]

Well, I'll be stuck in the "angry" stage, becasue "hell hath no fury....." And you know the rest.

You got that right Sandy in PA. Before this campaign I really had thought women had made ground and sexism was improving but now I wonder if I am the one who has been living in a bubble.

[NYVIN4HILL08]

we know what is at stake the threat of having a terrorist antiamerican racist take over the country.

[Brooke]

Oh sure, I'll come around. Because this country hasn't already been set back 30 years in race relations, we need to set ourselves back 30 years in the womens rights movement. I can't wait to roll over and get behind someone who would be slapped with a sexual harrassment suit anywhere else had he called a co worker "sweetie".

Sure, I'll come around all right. I'll come around to kick Emily's lists' asses. How dare they petition against Mysgony one second and then urge women to put up with it for the sake of the Democratic party? Are these women even American?

Here's my answer: F**K NO!

[yaelbelle]

Watch me come around. I'll come around to Denver and march. I'll come around to the DNC and protest. I'll come around to my checkbook and close it down. I'll come around to my protest and get even angrier, even louder.
I'll come around and spit it back in their face.

[mjoynaples]

Yeah, damn right they will, but not in the way she is alluding to. The will "come around" alright - to the fact that Obama is a FRAUD who used sexism against Clinton to inflate his own flawed candidacy. Every single woman and man who voted for Hillary Clinton should be OUTRAGED by the way the Obama campaign took advantage of MISOGYNY to steal votes and to try and RUIN the character of Hillary Clinton! Disgusting and unforgiveable. And I'll be doing my best to remind everyone of the above FACTS until Hillary Clinton emerges from the August convention as the nominee.

No to sexism. No to Barack Obama.

Murray what are somethings we can start to do and get this out there... there are some who are so freaked out about voting Rep they think that is crazy ... I have my methods of persuassion (haha) for one thing, it will be a dem congress so he will be limited, he is a patriot, and HE IS NOT BO that is the biggie!

what can we do here and elsewhere to bring this out there for more people to get it?

[mjoynaples]

"BO is an impressive speaker and ran a great campaign..." ???? wth? he is a louse and a cheater... geez so much for Hillary's suppporters... we need emily's list email to write them too!

[blueskygal]

Maybe Ellen thinks all of the horrendous things said and done to Hillary will be forgotten like Labor Pains during childbirth? For me, if I cannot have Hillary holding my hand through labor and coaching me through the pain, then I will take the epidural that McCain offers. Obama would just hand me a wooden spoon to bite on, shove me in a corner, and tell me to quit my whining...

OMG you gave me the best laugh of the day which i needed.

THANKS!

[mjno7777]

Ellen?

Please don't tell me that was Ellen Malcolm, the founder of Emily's List. If so, I'm done with them.

I hope it wasn't Ellen Malcolm she just emailed me today. We should send her a thought or two or three.

[Christines]

We will come around only if all of a sudden Michelle Obama turns into Mother Teresa and Barack Obama becomes Superman! NEVER WILL HAPPEN!

[Catherine]

On my way home today, I listened to NPR - Talk of the Nation - discussing whom Clinton supporters will support in November. One of the panelists was a woman named Ramona or Mona Oliver from Emily's list. While generally complimentary about Hillary, She too stated that women will fall in line behind Obama given the contrast with McCain. Initially, I didn't make too much of this (I was more focused on the McCain representative whom I found more persuasive).

Thinking about this some more, I'm really bothered by what seems like this call from a women's advocacy group to "fall in behind the man who is being handed this nomination" - rather than fighting further for the woman who garnered more votes than he did and who has been bullied and castigated to "get out of the race".

How genuine was the support of Emily's list? I have to wonder. Please go to NPR: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91199825

click on "listen now" for the full program. This feels treacherous. I'd be inclined to remove my name from Emily's List and not support them. It seems that promoting the Democratic agenda is more important than how the first viable woman candidate is being treated. I think Emily's List has gotten off track.

[freethinker]

There are some people, male and female, who believe that HRC and BO are the same, except for race and gender, due to similarities on policy. That many of the women who wanted HRC did so because of the gender issue alone.

sigh.....

anyway, to address some of the women issues per se:

I find this view reflects not only a lack of intelligent analysis of the differences between the candidates but a woeful ignorance of the events that led to the collective female rage:

*BO's dismissive, sexist behavior: "likable enough", refusing to shake her hand, often looking down on her, brushing her off, "periodically feeling down...boosting her appeal", his revealing remarks about girl's being punished with babies and needing to teach them "morality", saying Hillary's foreign relations experience amounted to "having tea", deliberately bringing up the 90's "baking cookies" comment, the "sweetie" remark;

*Michelle's ridiculing comments about Hillary not being able to run her own house, having to "think about it" to vote for HRC;

*His campaign's constant attacks on HRC's character, his campaign's constant attacks on the Clinton administration and saying "they" were the same as Bush!, accusing HRC as being responsible for Bhutto's assasination, calling her a "punjab", constantly calling her a liar, accusing her of being a liar with the story of the poor woman who died due to being turned away at the hospital, his fundraiser's calling her a "F***ing WH**re", campaign advisor's ridiculing and mischaracterizing her very authentic, genuine emotion in NH as fake or for herself and flat out accusing her of not caring about the victims of Katrina and AAs, calling her a "monster", deliberately mischaracterizing her comments about staying in the race and RFK into an "assasination attempt";

*His church's repulsive racist and sexist abuse of HRC and other women (Natalie Holloway) while his mentor, friends and fellow congregant's cheered and laughed;

*The DNC allowing all of it to go on and on and on.

This is by no means a full list of offenses, just some that immediately came to mind. I really can't imagine what Emily's List is thinking.

Note that none of this goes into the media's and his supporters horrendous abuse of HRC and her supporters, the bias and misogyny, the caucus cheating and bullying, lying about her record, the Party stabbing her in the back or the Party that again did nothing to condemn the attacks on one of their own and cherry picking states and stats that favored Obama.


None of this goes into the basic facts that:

Most of the people who will not vote for BO are basing that decision on his lack of experience, poor judgment, corrupt associates, questionable patriotism, despicable character. I don't care if he has exactly the same platform as HRC. He stole it from her.

Next question?

[Catherine]

Sandy in Pa.: Please don't tell me that was Ellen Malcolm, the founder of Emily's List. If so, I'm done with them.


Yes! as an earlier post indicated it was Ellen Malcolm. That makes two interviews on PBS today of representatives from Emily's List. Shouldn't they have waited until Hillary makes clear her intentions on Saturday rather than pushing the "party line" that we'll fall in behind BO?

I'm outraged. Where is their outrage. Even if they believe this baloney, there is plenty of time to push the party line. Right now, I'd expect them to honor Hillary, her campaign, the depth of her support and leave that creep wondering just where her supporters WILL line up in November. No, they fold - just like BO expected US to do!

I'm writing them tomorrow to express my disappointment and frustration. I also intend to withdraw my support. Ever since I added myself to their e-mail list, I've been bothered by the sheer number of e-mails that ignored harsh attacks on Hillary in favor of fundraising appeals for women candidates whom I never heard of - in fact, I was wondering how many of their candidates had supported Hillary? If they think I'm going to financially support people like Sibellus, McCaskill and Napolitano, they are delusional.

Please let them know how you feel. Why is unity at this stage more important than solidarity with Hillary?

[JOY TO THE WORLD]

This seems to be a chorus of nitwits who are declaring that we women will follow like dumb sheep to the Obama. This will not be so! I saw the O'Reilly and Fox News and the same message is being sung...what's wrong with this answer? NO FOR OBAMA MEANS NO VOTE FOR HIM IN NOVEMBER!! Signing off as a smart woman who ain't afraid to stand up for what she wants!! Hillary Clinton for Pres or McCain...but no Obama or DNC any longer!

[LucyTN]

Ellen?

Please don't tell me that was Ellen Malcolm, the founder of Emily's List. If so, I'm done with them.Yes, that was the name. I actually wrote it down because half these people I never heard of before I came to this board. Bob Casey was also on along with the Senator Evan, can't spell his last name but it sounds like Bye. Is it Byah? Was his father Birch B, whatever?

[hillgal]

I'm one of those "older women" and I don't have to go through the 5 stages of grief. I've never been grieving. I've just been waiting for Obama to go down. And if he doesn't go down before the convention, I will be voting for McCain. The sexism and nastiness are continuing, but getting over "anger" will not change what we've learned and what we are rejecting.

[Catherine]

the full transcript of the Lehrer Report interview with Ellen Malcolm, Evan Bayh and Judy Woodruff is available at:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/jan

[Linda C]

They are just giving the standard BS...They have to in some way for now. They still are supporting Hillary for president on their website.

Look everyone will say that we all pray and say kumbaya...We all know that isn't going to happen for the general election.

Obama didn't get any huge bump in the polls for getting the nomination. Even Dukakis jumped ahead by 10 points in the polls are he got the nomination. It doesn't matter what all of the "leaders" smile and say. They all know what is exactly going to happen in the general. This is the Emperor's New Clothes Election. Everyone will say they support the Chosen One as he goes into the general without any clothes. No one wants to be the one who proclaim the chosen One is Naked..then the royal court will turn on them.

[Bad Kitty]

what part of NO do they not understand??

I think it is the O part but don't worry they'll get the point soon enough.

[SLDEM]

"What about the rest of you "gals"? You comin' around in November and forget about Hillary and the rape of FL and MI?"

I'm pretty sick of the posts I'm reading on the blogs from supposed Hillary supporters who are pledging alleigence to BO. They're fakers, part of the Obama "rig the primary" team who are moving on.

There is no way I'm throwing my support to Obama. Nada...not going to hapen. I don't care what "stage" of grief I am in. I'd rather support McCain than a man who ran a dirty and crooked campaign. I'm also withdrawing my support for the democratic party, and i worked very hard for it in the past.

BTW - anyone try to post on MyDD or any of the other pro-obama blogs. I seem to be locked out.....guess they don't want to hear from a real Hillary supporter.

[santafegal]

I'm not "coming around". I know exactly what is at stake.

[You Go Girl!]

I'm so glad to hear you all say this. All the news commentators and their guests are saying that right now Hillary's supporters are angry and they have plenty of time to heal and would all come around and support Obama.

I with a lot of you, I can't believe how many women voted against Hillary. What could they be thinking? I know I have been on blogs and many of his supporters have never heard of his associations, and think he "voted no" on the Iraq war. They don't even know he wasn't in the U.S. Senate then.

I have been actively blogging on other sites defending the Clintons. The point I make when they start talking about how corrupt they are is that they are the most investigated political family in history. I tell them 80 million dollars have been spent investigating them. I ask all of Obama's supporters how well they think Obama would fare if he, or anyone other politican for that matter, was investigated to this extent. Guess what? I don't get a response from them...I think, yeah that's what I thought.

Here's the link where I got my information about political investigations.
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/04/01/counsel.probe.costs/

I think there have even been more investigations (Clinton Library and Bill's overseas meetings, etc.,), so I am pretty sure this figure is light.

I hope we all hold our ground and stick to our beliefs and NOT vote for Obama no matter what they make Hillary do or say for him. I know deep down inside she doesn't respect him and I think she would be disappointed if we did vote for him.

I have started watching McCain's stump speeches and checking on his record. I can live with him, but I can't live with Obama. Anyway, no in Washington likes McCain...that should be a good thing, don't you think?

I wish Hillary the best when she gives her speech. You know how we feel, could you imagine the struggle inside her right now. Man, us women are so strong!

[ILBlue]

I Will Never Forget and I will never forgive any of them. :mad:

[freespirit]

oh my god! Who are these women activists? Were they imported from the Middle East? Would she say that about a man...the five stages of grief? She doesn't even give women credit for having a brain. She chalks our support off to emotion!

Damn Right!

[RAFREE]

I Will Never Forget and I will never forgive any of them. :mad:


Well, Madelene Albright said "There is a special place in hell for women who do not support other women"

Oh, I so hope she is right.:mad:

[VotingHillary]

let the anger turn into something more...determination. If not Hillary, than McCain. But vote for Obama....HELL NO.

[santafegal]

Well, Madelene Albright said "There is a special place in hell for women who do not support other women"

Oh, I so hope she is right.:mad:

Maybe I am too naive and optimistic, but I was hurt and shocked to see women I work with, volunteer with etc. utter the vilest tirades against Hillary. It is one of the most frightening things I have ever witnessed.

We'll see how they feel on Nov. 5th when McCain wins.

[SusanfromPA]

It's not about "women coming around" it's about the nation finding out about the
REAL Obama.

[RAFREE]

Maybe I am too naive and optimistic, but I was hurt and shocked to see women I work with, volunteer with etc. utter the vilest tirades against Hillary. It is one of the most frightening things I have ever witnessed.

We'll see how they feel on Nov. 5th when McCain wins.

I too was deeply hurt and shocked by seeing women who claim to be activist friends of mine drink the kool aid early on, not be able to give me one good reason they supported him over her except "hopechangehopechangechangehope" and then turned around and asked me why I would not vote for him in the G.E. since they have nearly the same policies. If that's the case and she has more experience then wtf did they not vote for HER!~

I am not speaking at all to one ex friend of mine over this.

[neophyter]

Yes! as an earlier post indicated it was Ellen Malcolm. That makes two interviews on PBS today of representatives from Emily's List. Shouldn't they have waited until Hillary makes clear her intentions on Saturday rather than pushing the "party line" that we'll fall in behind BO?
...snip...

I'm writing them tomorrow to express my disappointment and frustration. I also intend to withdraw my support. Ever since I added myself to their e-mail list, I've been bothered by the sheer number of e-mails that ignored harsh attacks on Hillary ....snip....

Please let them know how you feel. Why is unity at this stage more important than solidarity with Hillary?

I just told them I wasn't falling in behind Obama, nor were many other women I knew of, and to remove my name from their subscription list. :mad:

[xfiles]

We have already come around. It is the other women and men who need to come around to realizing what a fraud Obama is and that is why we are NOT voting for him. If we are grieving, it is now for our country and what is at stake. Sure we are upset about Hillary but we are upset for entirely different reasons than they are willing to realize!

THESE PEOPLE JUST DON'T GET IT AND WE NEED TO MAKE THEM GET IT! WE NEED TO BLOG, SEND TO MEDIA, ETC. THAT WE AREN'T SORE LOSERS. WE ARE WORRIED OUT OUR COUNTRY'S NATIONAL SECURITY AND MORE!

A women named "Ellen" something or other was being interviewed by Judy Woodruff this eveing on the Lehr news hour. Judy asked her, "What about those older women...will they come around and vote (Dem) in November?"

"O Yes," said Ellen What's-Her-Name. "They are just going through the 'five stages of grief', but when they see what is at stake, they'll around" (Judy Woodruff was saying, "Well, I don't know about that. We spoke with several (older women at the DNC meeting on Saturday and they didn't seem willing to 'come around'" while Ellen whomever just smiled smugly and nodded knowingly.

Shit! I was thinking of joining EMILY's List, but since they just expect me to roll over, say F*ck me harder and thank you, they aren't getting one cent of my husband's hard-earned money.

What about the rest of you "gals"? You comin' around in November and forget about Hillary and the rape of FL and MI?


Just Curious,
Florida Dawn

[ScottVA]

I think the biggest thing people could do is QUIT the Democratic Party right now! I'm not saying you've got to COMPLETELY giving up the Democrats.... BUT this sends a big message to the DNC as their State Dem rolls shrink since the numbers will change and they will get the updates! I mean in the GE you can vote for anyone! The Party status only means something for Primaries in many States....and you can change it back after our next GE if you wanted to.... RIGHT NOW though it SENDS A BIG MESSAGE!

[SoCal4Hillary]

What the hell is wrong with these women?

This is the last straw. Its like being is some kind of Twilight Zone episode watching them all bow down and defeat everything they supposedly worked so hard for, like WOMEN'S RIGHTS!!!I've referred to feeling like I'm in the Twilight Zone many times recently [in real life]. Yes, that's EXACTLY what this feels like. *shakes head in disbelief*

Oh, will *I* "come around" in November? You bet I will! When I vote for John McCain I'll be coming around to the realities of what "my" party did to shove the most UNQUALIFIED candidate in decades down our throats over, certainly, one of the MOST qualified. Yep, that's how I'll come around. :rolleyes:

[Calico]

"Fall in line"? No way! This is not the 1950s; although, I was born much later than the 50s. From what I have heard there were "commercials" or public service messages about how women were to behave. Is this correct? Like social tips and so forth.

Anyway, this is not about emotion as many want to contribute a woman's choice. This is about what is RIGHT and what is WRONG. I am a professional business woman and I can think for myself and I will not ever support Obama, nor will my family and they are not all women. There are men in my family who will not vote for Obama. Are they being told that they are experiencing the stages of grief. I think not. These people need to get real! Obama is a doomed candidate and no amount of trying to explain it away with irrational explanations is going to change that fact.

[hipelayne]

Maybe Ellen thinks all of the horrendous things said and done to Hillary will be forgotten like Labor Pains during childbirth? For me, if I cannot have Hillary holding my hand through labor and coaching me through the pain, then I will take the epidural that McCain offers. Obama would just hand me a wooden spoon to bite on, shove me in a corner, and tell me to quit my whining...

Optix - that is brilliant! Well said!

[hipelayne]

I think the biggest thing people could do is QUIT the Democratic Party right now! I'm not saying you've got to COMPLETELY giving up the Democrats.... BUT this sends a big message to the DNC as their State Dem rolls shrink since the numbers will change and they will get the updates! I mean in the GE you can vote for anyone! The Party status only means something for Primaries in many States....and you can change it back after our next GE if you wanted to.... RIGHT NOW though it SENDS A BIG MESSAGE!

Actually Scott, it doesn't happen often, but I think I might disagree with you on the timing. I think it might be a better idea to wait until the end of July to quit - that way, it will send a bigger message that this is not being done just because I'm p***** off today because Hillary didn't win yesterday. If everyone waits a few weeks they will see that we are not "coming around" and that this is being done with a clear head since we will have already gone through the "five stages of grief!"

[anna43019]

Hell no!! I dont' forget easily, just ask my husband. I am very angry and I will not let Obama and his Chicago style politics win me over. They want Hillary to just roll over and let the DNC walk all over her, after she has worked so hard for them. No love in politics. I hate Obama and will never vote for him...He doesn't want Hillary...You wait and see, what goes around comes around. Obama's will get his coming in Nov.

[anna43019]

Love your message....

[ScottVA]

Actually Scott, it doesn't happen often, but I think I might disagree with you on the timing. I think it might be a better idea to wait until the end of July to quit - that way, it will send a bigger message that this is not being done just because I'm p***** off today because Hillary didn't win yesterday. If everyone waits a few weeks they will see that we are not "coming around" and that this is being done with a clear head since we will have already gone through the "five stages of grief!"

I don't think it matters when you do it....but do it! I know I went to change my party affiliation where I live and I WAS NOT ALONE IN LINE.... LOL

[Lodi]

Here's my theory:

All the people and organizations that are deluded enough to assume we will all "come around" are destined to fail.

[ScottVA]

Here's my theory:

All the people and organizations that are deluded enough to assume we will all "come around" are destined to fail.

HE WHO LAUGHS LAST.... LAUGHS LAST..... HAHA!

[Musicdude]

ALL of the pundits are saying that the "angry women" will come around and support Obama. All of the pundits. Every. Single. One.
Hillary supporters will get over their anger because we are all just mad because Hillary "didn't win". That's the only issue with us, they say.
This is why I said some weeks ago that when we had supporters on TV that they should have clearly defined why we will never support Obama. He's unqualified. Wright, Rezko, Ayers, racism, anti-Americanism, terrorist ties, the laundry lists of lies. He's a security risk. Hopefully, the campaign people are aware of our feelings enough so that Hillary can present this issue to Obama.

[Kbentleyis]

I'm in it to win it for Hillary or John!! And that's that!

[suerw]

oh my god! Who are these women activists? Were they imported from the Middle East? Would she say that about a man...the five stages of grief? She doesn't even give women credit for having a brain. She chalks our support off to emotion!

The usual stereotyping. I am one woman for whom this is not about gender and is not about emotion. It's about a very logical conclusion that Senator Obama is not good for the country. There's no "coming around" from that conclusion.

[suerw]

Here is the link to the entire interview. I was flipping stations and caught Ellen Malcolm's (yes, it was her) comments:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/jan-june08/wounds_06-05.html


Here's what I heard Ellen say--I have excerpted it, from the link, for your viewing convenience:


Obama prospects for November good

JUDY WOODRUFF: You say they'll come around, but we heard some of them just last Saturday at the Democratic National Committee, five days ago here in Washington, saying, "We're going for McCain." And we've heard them say that across the country.

ELLEN MALCOLM: You know, there's sort of -- what are the stages of grief, I remember reading about, and I think a lot of these voters are going through them. One minute they're sad; the next minute they're angry. But they're going to -- and everybody has to process it. I myself have to process my disappointment and even some anger about this.

But at the end of the day, we're going to come together, because we need to win this election and the country needs change.

Oh, that meaningless "change" mantra again. Change without a sense of direction is certainly not change I can believe in.

[Joe from WI]

BO and his DNC sugar daddies forced SDs to go his way. And they demeaned Hillary during the course of the whole race -- he played the race card and divided the race, but turned over and accused Hillary and Bill of being divisive, racist. And all this while BO let loose his minions to call her names and even spew hatred at her supporters.

Now he says : "lets unite", and Hillary is forced to get behind him. The truth is he doesnt want us, he just need our votes and he's using Hillary to get our votes. Once he used Hillary and used us, he will chuck her away to do some obscure events as "VP". MO will be running the show.

If the race was played on level-playing field, and he won fair and square, perhaps a joint ticket is arguable. But this race REVEALED the TRUE BO and his urchins. I cannot bring myself to vote for him, never! Not to mention he is dangerous to our country -- the nation needs a healer and a doer, not a divisive, do nothing vacationing snob (racist). He is absolutely wrong for our country, and i say it with rationality and common sense.

[LadyVT]

Thanks for posting this. I have unsubscribed from Emily's List, and sent along a note: how dare you speak for me!

[B positive]

If this is true then she must be drinking KoolAid because Emily's list is supposed to be for female pro-choice democratic political candidates. Neither FLUFF nor Mac are female therefore she should not be pushing us to lean to one party or the other.

[suerw]

ALL of the pundits are saying that the "angry women" will come around and support Obama. All of the pundits. Every. Single. One.
Hillary supporters will get over their anger because we are all just mad because Hillary "didn't win". That's the only issue with us, they say.
This is why I said some weeks ago that when we had supporters on TV that they should have clearly defined why we will never support Obama. He's unqualified. Wright, Rezko, Ayers, racism, anti-Americanism, terrorist ties, the laundry lists of lies. He's a security risk. Hopefully, the campaign people are aware of our feelings enough so that Hillary can present this issue to Obama.

Those, Musicdude, are exactly the reasons I do not, and could not in good conscience, support Obama -- unqualified, inexperienced, terrorist ties, a security risk. Nothing gender based or emotional about this. A rational conclusion based on what's best for our country.

[samkm]

Quit the party.
Let Ellen R. Malcolm, President of Emily's List know that her assumption is wrong.

[floorrunner]

She is also forgetting that there are a lot of angry men out there that won't fall in line either and we are helping those angry women that won't fall in line.My nephew who is in the marines has served 3 tours of duty in Iraq. He is a McCain supporter, but has stated that if McCain did not win he would definitedly be OK with Hillary, because she knows her stuff. Never Obama. his wife is for Hillary and she said never Obama. I don't believe the scare tactics that they are trying to use, such as supreme court nominations or his views on LGBT issues are something to worry about right now. McCain at least loves this country and he recognizes that Hillary does too and he dislikes Obama a great deal.

[CriticalOne]

Am I the only one a bit annoyed as our movement being painted as some irrational, overly-emotional "angry women's" movement? I find it very derogatory to the women in the movement that this is painted as some stereotypical "oh, it's just the weaker sex having their cry".

Maybe it's better they paint the movement as such, because the last laugh is on them. But, this movement is very rational. It's a movement based on clear-minded concern with actual issues and fairness. I'm getting tired of the "oh, the women are weeping again because Hillary lost." They wish it was that simple, because it then justifies all of the vile things they've done if they can reduce this to overly-emotional women.

The very worse thing the media did to themselves was to characterize Hillary's support as homogeneous. The jokes on them. This is a diverse movement, and always has been.

[Laura Cereta]

Yeah, I'll come around, still bent over assuming the position... just hold your breath and wait. That's all I ask. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[reddirtgirl]

Yet one more "women's group" who has slapped us in the face. Who's next?

It scares the hell out of me to hear about how many people seem to BE "coming home".

[Kaylin]

what might be happening is that the leaders of these women's groups are the people the Obama campaign is approaching first. it's the equivalent of wining & dining, maybe even with the promise of jobs or high profile positions within the campaign, but essentially making these people feel important.

whether we're male or female, we as human beings are always petrified of finding ourselves on the outside looking in. most people feel that the safest and easiest place to be is with the group.

[CriticalOne]

Yeah, it's to be expected that the leaders are going to follow the money and power. A new dimension this year is that so many folks seem to be scared that if Obama gets the nomination and loses that they'll be blamed for the party's loss. Ironically, the campaign that blocked another history-making campaign has threatened others through surrogates that "they don't want to be the ones that ended up blocking history being made." It's the same old indentity politics guilt-trip he's been playing from day one.

[Diamond Tiger]

This is becoming my mantra:

Oh Please!!!!!!!!!!!Are You Kidding ME?????????????!!!!!!!!!!

[ShyFire]

HA! With friends like that, who needs Emily's!?

I suggest any members who are signed up on the List- get off of it right now, with a strongly worded departure note.

[Brooke]

I plan on doing just that. They send me emails from time to time.

But at the end of the day, we're going to come together, because we need to win this election and the country needs change.

This country's gonna need change alright. Tons of it when Obama turns us into a Communist nation.

[Mrs L]

What about the rest of you "gals"? You comin' around in November and forget about Hillary and the rape of FL and MI?


Just Curious,
Florida Dawn


NEVER NEVER NEVER
I CAN ASSURE YOU I WILL NOT. I DID NOT CARE FOR HIM TO BEGIN WITH AND NOW I KNOW SO MUCH I JUST COULD NEVER VOTE FOR HIM.

I DO HOPE ALL 18 MILLION OF HILLARY'S SUPPORTERS FEEL THE SAME WAY.

LET'S SHOW THEM AT THE ELECTION THAT THEY CAN'T ROB US.

[Mrs L]

Actually Scott, it doesn't happen often, but I think I might disagree with you on the timing. I think it might be a better idea to wait until the end of July to quit - that way, it will send a bigger message that this is not being done just because I'm p***** off today because Hillary didn't win yesterday. If everyone waits a few weeks they will see that we are not "coming around" and that this is being done with a clear head since we will have already gone through the "five stages of grief!"

NO
PLEASE DON'T WAIT, LET THEM KNOW NOW!!!! GIVE THEM TIME TO MAKE IT RIGHT.
THE SOONER THE BETTER

WAKE THEM UP

[yaelbelle]

http://www.emilyslist.org/about/contact/ Share your thoughts with Emily's List about "coming around."

I quit the Party. No reason I can't go back when Hillary is on the ballot. But I felt they needed to know that we didn't just talk the talk, but would walk it... right out their door.

[hillary1]

A women named "Ellen" something or other was being interviewed by Judy Woodruff this eveing on the Lehr news hour. Judy asked her, "What about those older women...will they come around and vote (Dem) in November?"

"O Yes," said Ellen What's-Her-Name. "They are just going through the 'five stages of grief', but when they see what is at stake, they'll around" (Judy Woodruff was saying, "Well, I don't know about that. We spoke with several (older women at the DNC meeting on Saturday and they didn't seem willing to 'come around'" while Ellen whomever just smiled smugly and nodded knowingly.

Shit! I was thinking of joining EMILY's List, but since they just expect me to roll over, say F*ck me harder and thank you, they aren't getting one cent of my husband's hard-earned money.

What about the rest of you "gals"? You comin' around in November and forget about Hillary and the rape of FL and MI?

Just Curious,
Florida Dawn

just flung a pillow at the tv, knocked over a few items on its way over, sick of hearing how we are being led around like a pony on a string, WE ARE NOT COMING AROUND EMILY, OK, TELL IT TO ALL YOUR BOYS AND GIRLS WHO THINK WE ARE NOTHING BUT EMPTYHEADED WOMEN

WE MUST STAY TOGETHER ON THIS, A MILLION WOMEN MARCH IS A GREAT IDEA, LET THE DNC KNOW, OBAMA WILL NOT MAKE PRESIDENT ON OUR WATCH, GO PAY OFF SOME OF THE DNC'S LOCAL CRONIES AND FIX THE BALLOT BOXES, NOW YOUR NO BETTER THAN BUSH

[Tea toaD]

I love Vince McMahon's theme song for the WWE: No Chance in Hell!

[EH]

We're not comin' round the mountain if she's gone
We're not comin' round the mountain if she's gone
We're not comin' round the mountain
We're not comin' round the mountain
We're not comin' round the mountain if she's gone

[Mrsawd]

How could any woman come around for them to recieve more deceptions and the belittling like what they have already been doing !

WE NEED TO GET THIS MESSAGE OUT NO TO IDIOTS, MAKING US LOOK LIKE WE DESERVE TO BE SECOND CLASS OR NO CLASS !


NO WAY WE HAVE OUR RIGHTS !

[Brooke]

I replied to one of their emails, asking them to take me off their list:

To whom it may concern,
Yes I did recently join because I felt your organization was right to address the sexism in the media against Sen. Clinton. However after Ms. Malcom's remarks about women now "coming around" and falling in line behind Sen. Obama, I would respectfully ask to be removed from this email list. I can no longer support somebody who would like us women to go against everything we've fought for the past 20 or 30 years and just "fall in line". It was unacceptable how the media and the Obama campaign treated Hillary and talked about women. And I will not "come around" in November. I will be casting my vote for Sen. McCain. And you guys can spare me the "Roe v. Wade" rebuttal. It's nothing but a scare tactic.

Good luck supporting a mysogonist for President. I'm sure it'll do a world of good for your organization.

[brussell]

Emily's List just threw Hillary under the Roe vs Wade bus!

Ellen R. Malcolm <information@emilyslist.org>
reply-to information@emilyslist.org
date Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 11:50 AM
subject Hillary and Barack
Dear Friend,

Thank you Hillary For months we have watched two extraordinary, history-making Democratic candidates battle it out for the presidential nomination. Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Hillary Clinton competed in every state, unleashing a tidal wave of enthusiasm and support.

Hillary Clinton has honored all women with her historic campaign. She stood up against all odds and harsh criticism with courage, grace, and dignity. At every turn in this long journey she has filled me with tremendous pride.

And now that it is over, I wholeheartedly congratulate Barack Obama. What a triumph for our new leader! He has inspired millions of Americans and shown that he is more than ready to take on John McCain.

While women still face serious hurdles in reaching the highest levels of elected office, Hillary has laid to rest any doubts about whether a woman has what it takes to run for president. She showed Americans and the world that she has the strength, intelligence, determination, and passion to handle the enormous responsibilities of the presidency, including those of commander-in-chief. When the media predicted her doom, she never faltered. In every debate she was eloquent and persuasive. Her resilience under the harsh national spotlight will make it easier for every woman candidate who follows her.

Voters in every state and territory were drawn to Hillary's message of progressive change, and they turned out in force, giving her almost 18 million votes -- more than any presidential primary candidate in history. She emerges from this campaign an even more powerful national leader. And I know she will use that power to help Democrats, including Sen. Obama, win, and to make a profound difference on issues like health care reform, energy independence, and economic policy.

As I've spoken to EMILY's List members, especially recently, I know we have experienced this primary from different perspectives. Those who supported Sen. Obama are tremendously exhilarated that he is our nominee. I respect your choice and congratulate you for being part of an historic campaign.

Those of us who have been wholehearted supporters of Sen. Clinton feel disappointment and sadness, even anger, that this opportunity to elect a fine candidate and the first woman president is passing us by. So many EMILY's List members put their all into this campaign -- money, yes, but also time and energy traveling to primary states, working phone banks, and canvassing precincts. My heart is with you, as I am working through my own emotional turmoil. I fervently believe that this anger and grief will subside, leaving me with a deep sense of pride at what Hillary has accomplished for women. But I have not yet reached that point in my journey, and I know many of you feel the same way.

EMILY's List members, like all Democrats, are experiencing varying emotions -- but we are unified in our determination to undo the damage created by George W. Bush and the Republicans. I am confident that our party will unify as well, and come together to take the White House in November. And, once again, EMILY's List will unleash the political power of women to help Democrats win at every level in 2008 so we can begin to rebuild a progressive America.

The differences between Sens. Obama and McCain dwarf the nuanced policy differences between Obama and Clinton. We can never forget what John McCain stands for: continuation of the war in Iraq, minimal changes on health care, economic policy that rests on tax breaks for corporations and the wealthy, and a steadfast determination to overturn Roe vs. Wade. Electing John McCain is simply perpetuating the policies of George W. Bush. For the country's sake, we cannot let that happen.

EMILY's List has important work to do to help Democrats take back the White House -- but to create the change our country so desperately needs, we must also build working progressive majorities in the states and in the Congress. EMILY's List has endorsed more than two dozen strong women candidates for House, Senate, and governor, and dozens more running for state office. And we are executing our biggest WOMEN VOTE! project ever, to mobilize the women voters who will ensure victory for our candidates and Democrats up and down the ticket -- from the state House to the White House.

As always, thank you for your support and your commitment to our country.

Please continue to be an active and generous member of EMILY's List as we work to unleash the power of women candidates and women voters to create change.

Let us join together to build a mighty political force that will win in November.

Warmest regards,
Ellen Malcolm

Ellen R. Malcolm
President

[Florida Dawn]

Dear Ellen,

NO.

You will never see a cent of my husband's money.

Sincerely,
Florida Dawn

PS: I understand Ob*m* girl might be available to shake her booty for "the team".

[B positive]

We're not comin' round the mountain if she's gone
We're not comin' round the mountain if she's gone
We're not comin' round the mountain
We're not comin' round the mountain
We're not comin' round the mountain if she's gone

Nor will I be comin' round any mountain if she's VP

[GOHillary08]

"...And now that it is over, I wholeheartedly congratulate Barack Obama. What a triumph for our new leader! He has inspired millions of Americans and shown that he is more than ready to take on John McCain."

Does anyone else feel overwhelmingly nauseated? Maybe Ellen ought to go home and stitch up a flag.

[B positive]

Ellen R. Malcolm on NPR radio:
Ellen R. Malcolm (EMILY's List President)"...And now that it is over, I wholeheartedly congratulate Barack Obama. What a triumph for our new leader! He has inspired millions of Americans and shown that he is more than ready to take on John McCain."


Now that's quite a flip-flop from her email to me today:
Ellen R. Malcolm (EMILY's List President) ... ... My heart is with you, as I am working through my own emotional turmoil. I fervently believe that this anger and grief will subside, leaving me with a deep sense of pride at what Hillary has accomplished for women. But I have not yet reached that point in my journey, and I know many of you feel the same way.

This women needs some karyotyping ... I'm not sure she has 2 X chromosomes!

[PuppyDogMom]

Well, this "gal" isn't going to lock-step...not now, not November, not ever.

What do they think we are...a bunch of lemmings? It really pisses me off that they think we have no brains, no ability to think, to make our own decisions. It REALLY pisses me off.

There is such a thing as integrity, isn't there?

[memphis]

Not me. It has nothing to do with grief. That woman is totally off base.
It has all to do with how BO and MO have behaved and the type of people they are. Remember the finger.

[Frances]

and cancelled my membership with Emily's list.

[freethinker]

Emily's List is a Dem organization. It always endorses the Dem Presidential nominee. The nominee is again (shock!) a male candidate and unfortunately, this time, a very bad one.

I am sorry they did not have the grace to at least wait until after HRC's speech and that they chose to use such ridiculous effusive praise for BO who personally assailed HRC's character and is so very flawed.

blech

Additionally, the notion that the Dem Party is supportive of women in higher office went right out the window for me this year.

[AdrienneJ]

Hhhmmm.

EMILY'S list === Early Money is Like Yeast

I think maybe now

EMILY'S list is more like ====== Early Money is Like a Yeast Infection



I don't believe I'll be "coming along" or "falling in line" or any other stupid platitude that is trotted out for us to jump on board.

If Hillary is really going to drop out (and I'll believe it when SHE says so, and no one else) then I am ready to vote tomorrow.

Why don't we just get rid of all the divisive campaigning that will no doubt
hurt political unity and hold the general election next week?

No point in dragging things out, right DNC? I mean democracy is just bad for America. Let's vote next Tuesday. Just show me the ballot and I'll vote
McCain with 9/10 of the populace and we can all go home and relax.

[CT-Hilltopper]

McCain cannot overturn Roe vs. Wade.

With a Democratic House and Senate he would be lucky to get an ultra-conservative appointed to the Supreme Court.

Checks and Balances.

The Obamabots don't think we know how government works?

[xfiles]

And besides all that, McCain is a strong believer in states' rights even when it comes to abortion.

McCain cannot overturn Roe vs. Wade.

With a Democratic House and Senate he would be lucky to get an ultra-conservative appointed to the Supreme Court.

Checks and Balances.

The Obamabots don't think we know how government works?

[Florida Dawn]

McCain cannot overturn Roe vs. Wade.

With a Democratic House and Senate he would be lucky to get an ultra-conservative appointed to the Supreme Court.

Checks and Balances.

The Obamabots don't think we know how government works?

Yes, actually they believe we actually don't know how our government works. Case in point:

While listening to C-Span today, waiting for Hillary to speak, a woman called in on the Ob*m* supporters' line. She was ranting (another graduate, I'm sure, of the "Roland Martin School of Maniacal Expression") that if we Hillary supporters think Hillary is so great, we should live in NY state, where Hillary is Senator (US Senator, but apparently she doesn't know this or think the American people know this) and pay the taxes there and how bad the taxes are in NY state and Hillary never does anything about it and how only old people live in NY and everybody else is leaving so it and it falls upon the people who still live there and work to pay the taxes in the state of NY...blahblahblah.

Well, DUH>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Why isn't she flappin' her lip at her local and state elected officials? Can you guess why? Can you say: "She's an Ob*m* supporter", boys and girls?

With a Dem house and Senate, a moderate Repub Prez would be fine. So would the country. I mean, if Hillary isn't our Prez.:):)

Ahhhhhh, Checks and Balances. I guess they don't teach that in school any more.

[brussell]

George Soros and the
Rise of the Neo-centrics

By Walt Contreras Sheasby

2003 saw the rise of a new current in U.S. politics, best described as neo-centrics, or simply neo-cens, for ease of comparison with the better known "neo-con" defection of Socialists to the conservative right.
Early on last summer [2003], in a reunion at his home in Westchester, N.Y., Soros raised $115,000 from his friends for Dean's candidacy. According to the Washington Post, the Soros campaign for Dean began with "the help of Mort Halpern, a liberal think tank veteran." "Soros invited Democratic strategists to his house in Southampton, Long Island," including Clinton chief of staff John D. Podesta, Clinton advisors Jeremy Rosner and Robert Boorstin, and Carl Pope, executive director of the Sierra Club.

They discussed the coming election. Standing on the back deck, "the evening sun angling into their eyes," Soros took aside Steve Rosenthal, CEO of America Coming Together and former political director of the AFL-CIO, and Ellen Malcolm, ACT's president and founder and donor of Emily's List. After announcing to them his $10 million gift to ACT, "They were ready to kiss me," Soros quipped.

http://www.citizinemag.com/politics/politics-0401_soros_neocentrics.htm

[GaGirl]

A women named "Ellen" something or other was being interviewed by Judy Woodruff this eveing on the Lehr news hour. Judy asked her, "What about those older women...will they come around and vote (Dem) in November?"

"O Yes," said Ellen What's-Her-Name. "They are just going through the 'five stages of grief', but when they see what is at stake, they'll around" (Judy Woodruff was saying, "Well, I don't know about that. We spoke with several (older women at the DNC meeting on Saturday and they didn't seem willing to 'come around'" while Ellen whomever just smiled smugly and nodded knowingly.

Shit! I was thinking of joining EMILY's List, but since they just expect me to roll over, say F*ck me harder and thank you, they aren't getting one cent of my husband's hard-earned money.


What about the rest of you "gals"? You comin' around in November and forget about Hillary and the rape of FL and MI?


Just Curious,
Florida Dawn

I joined Emily's List months ago and took my name off their list when they supported BO. They don't speak for me or the rest of us who do not plan to "get over" it and support Obama.