FORUM'S DIRECTION: Plan A (Hillary 2008), Plan B (McCain 2008), Plan C (Hillary 2012)

[LarryMac]

I take it from the dialog here, we are still considering the campaign suspended, not conceded, so this forum is still the place to strategize to turn Supers against Obama and to Hillary. Murray or somebody can correct me if I am wrong. This is still the Hillary For President forum and nothing has changed except Hillary's lip service to shut up the DNC, while she can still win in Denver when Obama self-destructs - and he will.

In the meantime, as long as she does not concede, our efforts at scaring the DNC into changing their minds, including threats to vote for McCain, write her in, change to Independent and staying at home. As long as the campaign is suspended, her campaign is still alive, just suspended - her delegates are still hers and the supers can still change their mind.

[Princess]

Nobody here has given up, so this forum's goal has not changed.

[CGP]

Yes, the forum will be remaining to help HILLARY from June to August.

After August, if BO officially emerges as the nominee, the focus will be on helping John McCain.

Just because Hillary Clinton says a few words to please the hiearchy does not mean I will follow her like a cult member.

For me, NO OBAMA means NO OBAMA!

I am not Taylor Marsh! :eek:

Plan A: Hillary

Plan B: McCain

Plan C: doesn't exist yet

[indigo]

thanks! There is still a lot more to come out about Obama. We need to stay united.

[Princess]

That's music to my ears Murray. Too many on this forum feel that way and glad you agree.

[ZY123]

Independent in thought, mind, and vote!

That means no obama! No one here bows down to anyone like a messiah!

[KYWildcatFan]

Yes, the forum will be remaining to help HILLARY from June to August.

After August, if BO officially emerges as the nominee, the focus will be on helping John McCain.

Just because Hillary Clinton says a few words to please the hiearchy does not mean I will follow her like a cult member.

For me, NO OBAMA means NO OBAMA!

I am not Taylor Marsh! :eek:

Thank you Murray!

[hillary4change]

Yes, the forum will be remaining to help HILLARY from June to August.

After August, if BO officially emerges as the nominee, the focus will be on helping John McCain.

Just because Hillary Clinton says a few words to please the hiearchy does not mean I will follow her like a cult member.

For me, NO OBAMA means NO OBAMA!

I am not Taylor Marsh! :eek:

Well said Murray. I am not a lemming, I criticised obambi supporters for jumping off the cliff. I will live by my words and not jump off a cliff because Hillary has asked me to follow her endorsement.

[DameLiz]

I truely believe that there is more to come out on Obama and prior to the convention there is a possibility that she could take this nomination away from him!

The sad thing is there is so much buyers remorse - Most of this Wright crap didn't come to life until the middle of this primary!

Thank you for this forum!

[hills]

So Operation turndown Obama finally starts. I can't wait to hear what Rush says about her speech.

[hillarymyhero]

Yes, the forum will be remaining to help HILLARY from June to August.

After August, if BO officially emerges as the nominee, the focus will be on helping John McCain.

Just because Hillary Clinton says a few words to please the hiearchy does not mean I will follow her like a cult member.

For me, NO OBAMA means NO OBAMA!

I am not Taylor Marsh! :eek:yes, we are with you through thick and thin. and I agree with you 100%. We will not give up or give in. We will make sure Hillary is President and she will be.

[Santiago]

It is a long time to Denver!

[Hillarysmygirl08]

thanks Murrey we need this place

[Gerry2008]

Thank you Murray - you are the best and I could not agree more with your plan for this forum's future. Thank and bless you for holding us all together and giving us a safe place to congregate.

[Calico]

Great news! We need this forum and we MUST NOT give up! Obama MUST NOT be the nominee.

[hills]

Will someone make daily missions of the things we will have to do?

[mjoynaples]

Yes, the forum will be remaining to help HILLARY from June to August.

After August, if BO officially emerges as the nominee, the focus will be on helping John McCain.

Just because Hillary Clinton says a few words to please the hiearchy does not mean I will follow her like a cult member.

For me, NO OBAMA means NO OBAMA!

I am not Taylor Marsh! :eek:

and a big YES and AMEN to the above as well... sounds great and reporting for duty as they say... will work hard to make this happen for HILLARY ALL THE WAY SHE IS STILL THE BEST... gosh even when she is saying what she has too... GO HILLARY !

[RachachaSharon]

If he was wrong for the presidency before, he's still wrong. That hasn't changed.

[Area504]

I love this place, and even though I have not been a Hillary supporter as long as many of you, I feel like family here.

I have one question...please understand that the thought of helping Obama makes me want to vomit.

If Hillary's focus is on supporting Obama, isn't helping Hillary from now until August really helping him in turn?

Enlighten me....I trust you.

[Tea toaD]

The harder part is still coming up. If she has to stump for him it will be just as hard as watching her speech. I guess we have to continue boycotting the moveon media. Stay together, stay strong and if he is the nominee for sure in August, throw all efforts to McCain if that is the path you will be taking. I will.

NO OBAMA EVER

[K.Wayne]

We continue on!

[AdrienneJ]

Yes, the forum will be remaining to help HILLARY from June to August.

After August, if BO officially emerges as the nominee, the focus will be on helping John McCain.

Just because Hillary Clinton says a few words to please the hiearchy does not mean I will follow her like a cult member.

For me, NO OBAMA means NO OBAMA!

I am not Taylor Marsh! :eek:

LOL. I'm so glad you're not Taylor Marsh.

[hills]

I love this place, and even though I have not been a Hillary supporter as long as many of you, I feel like family here.

I have one question...please understand that the thought of helping Obama makes me want to vomit.

If Hillary's focus is on supporting Obama, isn't helping Hillary from now until August really helping him in turn?

Enlighten me....I trust you.


No, we will be doing the opposite of Hillary. We need to educate people about Obama. The more Democrats find out about him, they might need a place to go and we will be here. People need to know it is not to late, Obama can still be stopped.

[lanesharon]

For me, NO OBAMA means NO OBAMA!

Thank You Murray

[brussell]

Thank You Murray!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rock On!

[saren]

Yes, the forum will be remaining to help HILLARY from June to August.

After August, if BO officially emerges as the nominee, the focus will be on helping John McCain.

Just because Hillary Clinton says a few words to please the hiearchy does not mean I will follow her like a cult member.

For me, NO OBAMA means NO OBAMA!

I am not Taylor Marsh! :eek:

Plan A: Hillary

Plan B: McCain

Plan C: doesn't exist

Thanks Murray....

I feel I have found a safe place here.

Still time to work on the DNC.

[jerseygirl7]

Yes, the forum will be remaining to help HILLARY from June to August.

After August, if BO officially emerges as the nominee, the focus will be on helping John McCain.

Just because Hillary Clinton says a few words to please the hiearchy does not mean I will follow her like a cult member.

For me, NO OBAMA means NO OBAMA!

I am not Taylor Marsh! :eek:


Thank you Murray! I am so glad to hear the forum's direction has not changed. These are the only words of encouragement today! I am withdrawing from the HC.com site since it appears it is becoming an Obama site now. I hope you will invite the HC.com sites supporters to come over to this forum. I think they feel they have lost their home.

[eyedoc333]

I love this place, and even though I have not been a Hillary supporter as long as many of you, I feel like family here.

I have one question...please understand that the thought of helping Obama makes me want to vomit.

If Hillary's focus is on supporting Obama, isn't helping Hillary from now until August really helping him in turn?

Enlighten me....I trust you.

As hard as it is for us to watch, you can bet that it is 1000X as hard for Hillary to stump for Obama after this primary.

We support Hillary because she needs us the most right now. Think of it like supporting a friend who is going through a rough time, whatever it may be. You may not like what she has to do, but you know that she has to do it for her career.

[EngCindy]

Thank You Murray.

Can someone find out positively if we donate to Hillary, that it will go to HER debt ?

I want to be assured it will NOT go to Obama. Then, of course, we can donate here, as I believe we emotionally need this site; at least I know I do.

[ZY123]

I love this place, and even though I have not been a Hillary supporter as long as many of you, I feel like family here.

I have one question...please understand that the thought of helping Obama makes me want to vomit.

If Hillary's focus is on supporting Obama, isn't helping Hillary from now until August really helping him in turn?

Enlighten me....I trust you.

Nooooooo....he means helping Hillary in the sense of helping Obama implode before August. :cool:

[ZY123]

Thank You Murray.

Can someone find out positively if we donate to Hillary, that it will go to HER debt ?

I want to be assured it will NOT go to Obama. Then, of course, we can donate here, as I believe we emotionally need this site; at least I know I do.

Her website now says "contribute to our campaign". I don't know what exactly that means.....but to me it read the Democrat(s).

[Patricia GA]

Count me in. I cannot ever support BO.

[floorrunner]

Thank you Murray. Time is on our side now. Don't forget she still has the option of appealing to the credentials committee. Lot's more stuff about Obama will come out. Right now McCain will have to work for my vote, but he is definitely an option for me. AT least McCain loves this country. I will never vote for Obama.

[blueskygal]

for maintaing our forum. i come here daily for support, entertainment, information, and venting!

once i start making $$ in my new business i will donate to support the forum.

"A man is worthy of his wages."

[Musicdude]

Today Hillary said....

"Never listen to anyone who says you can't or shouldn't go on."

Our mission goes on.

[smsemedic]

Yes, the forum will be remaining to help HILLARY from June to August.

After August, if BO officially emerges as the nominee, the focus will be on helping John McCain.

Just because Hillary Clinton says a few words to please the hiearchy does not mean I will follow her like a cult member.

For me, NO OBAMA means NO OBAMA!

I am not Taylor Marsh! :eek:

Plan A: Hillary

Plan B: McCain

Plan C: doesn't exist

well said murray!!!!

[Ebinger]

Yes, the forum will be remaining to help HILLARY from June to August.

After August, if BO officially emerges as the nominee, the focus will be on helping John McCain.

Just because Hillary Clinton says a few words to please the hiearchy does not mean I will follow her like a cult member.

For me, NO OBAMA means NO OBAMA!

I am not Taylor Marsh! :eek:

Plan A: Hillary

Plan B: McCain

Plan C: doesn't exist


I'm very glad to hear this and thank you. Taylor Marsh has been a big disappointment to me, I'll probably never post there again. I like your (personal) plan of proceeding - McCain is REALLY looking good to since Tuesday.:)

[ILBlue]

I repeat stay off of CNN AND MSNBC don't listen to her do what she is being forced to do.

If you do watch her stump for him ...remember it keeps her in peoples minds ...it's keeps her in the fore front....tha't a good thing IMHO.

And if it makes you angry or upset use that to do something to spread the word about BO and MO and the DNC.

Unity now means - NO OBAMA

P.S Thank you for this forum . You are a life saver Murray!

[SadStateOfAffairs]

Yep. NOBOMA. NOT EVER.

[Christines]

Great! I hope we will all agree with Murray on this one!!
You can count me in!

[Latina4Hillary]

Thanks Murray---We desperately need hillaryclintonforum.net to continue.


I love Hillary and I will continue to support HER. But, I will not vote for Obama.

[samkm]

Yes, the forum will be remaining to help HILLARY from June to August.

After August, if BO officially emerges as the nominee, the focus will be on helping John McCain.

Just because Hillary Clinton says a few words to please the hiearchy does not mean I will follow her like a cult member.

For me, NO OBAMA means NO OBAMA!

I am not Taylor Marsh! :eek:

Plan A: Hillary

Plan B: McCain

Plan C: doesn't exist

Murray, well put. Thank you. Same here.

[ScottVA]

MOST DEFINITELY............FORWARD WITH HILLARY! She left the door open and retained CONTROL and LEVERAGE by suspending/keeping her Delegates! I'll go McCain after I see what happens between now and the Convention!

Me myself....I'm waiting for an Indictment because I feel one is coming....(so do my other legal colleagues)....

[Kaylin]

that direction sounds great to me. like many here, I also think a lot can happen between now and Denver and that Hillary still has a chance. I'm so glad she kept her delegates.

would also like to say that I've felt my position as an independent voter for Hillary and not a party-san has been very much respected here, and I appreciate that :)

[ALL4HILLARY]

Thank You Murray.

Can someone find out positively if we donate to Hillary, that it will go to HER debt ?

I want to be assured it will NOT go to Obama. Then, of course, we can donate here, as I believe we emotionally need this site; at least I know I do.

It seems from the hillaryclinton.com that a donation is a donation for Obama's cause, and by the way Hillary said she will do anything in her power to help Obama elected, campaign, and fundrase for him and we heart in the news the agreement is that the Obama campaign will help her with the debt

[santafegal]

I will be here with all of you.

[deniseds]

Thank you Murray for giving us this forum. We have to sit tight now and see what happens. On to Denver.

[Molly]

Thank You - we still all NEED you here - we have NOT given up hope!

[GaGirl]

I have joined this forum - a late comer because I was a regular on HillaryClinton.com - to continue my support for Hillary. I can't support Obama even if Hillary asks and I won't. I am not sure what we can do right now.

[Vici57]

Thank you. It helps to hear other people's perspectives and what they are doing to help Hillary. Until the convention is over, I am not going anywhere. Obama has not wrong. He must not win. It is up to us to make sure this doesn't happen. Obama must fall, so Hillary can step in and be declare the nominee!

[Artists4Hillary]

I am continuing to support Hillary, but am also starting to work for McCain. I'm not going to sit by and let that Obama get into the WH. I'm going to be working on two fronts now.

[CGP]

I love this place, and even though I have not been a Hillary supporter as long as many of you, I feel like family here.

I have one question...please understand that the thought of helping Obama makes me want to vomit.

If Hillary's focus is on supporting Obama, isn't helping Hillary from now until August really helping him in turn?

Enlighten me....I trust you.

No, I mean helping Hillary with the original goal - winning the democratic nomination!

[ZY123]

I am continuing to support Hillary, but am also starting to work for McCain. I'm not going to sit by and let that Obama get into the WH. I'm going to be working on two fronts now.

I'm doing the same....either way an Obama implosion is in the works.

[CGP]

I am continuing to support Hillary, but am also starting to work for McCain. I'm not going to sit by and let that Obama get into the WH. I'm going to be working on two fronts now.

Yes, 2 fronts.

Plan A: Hillary

Plan B: McCain

Plan C: there isn't one!

[DarrellP]

Thanks Murray, you encouraged me to stay on this fourm, I believe Hillary was forced to endorse Obama or be Politically black balled. If Hillary Wins the Nomination at the convention, I will vote for her, but never ever Obama, I don't care what nobody says or do.

[suerw]

Yes, the forum will be remaining to help HILLARY from June to August.

After August, if BO officially emerges as the nominee, the focus will be on helping John McCain.

Just because Hillary Clinton says a few words to please the hiearchy does not mean I will follow her like a cult member.

For me, NO OBAMA means NO OBAMA!

I am not Taylor Marsh! :eek:

Plan A: Hillary

Plan B: McCain

Plan C: doesn't exist

A few words from Hillary Clinton about supporting Obama and working to elect him certainly do not change my mind. No "cult" mentality here either.

Glad to see that the forum will be continuing.

[evolin]

Yes, the forum will be remaining to help HILLARY from June to August.

After August, if BO officially emerges as the nominee, the focus will be on helping John McCain.

Just because Hillary Clinton says a few words to please the hiearchy does not mean I will follow her like a cult member.

For me, NO OBAMA means NO OBAMA!

I am not Taylor Marsh! :eek:

Plan A: Hillary

Plan B: McCain

Plan C: doesn't exist
Thank you! Thank you for maintaining this refuge for those of us that are die hard Hillary supporters. We are free now to support the PERSON only. Maybe she can do it again in four years if we support McCain..
Our Democratic party has left us. We owe them no allegiance.

[neophyter]

The people here have been lifesavers for me. Until I found this site, I felt overwhelmed by obama supporters.

As long as Hillary is keeping herself on target - to Denver - and we're all working to bring out the facts about Obama's background, she can still pull this off. I want to see Donna Brazile's face if Hillary is the final nominee at the convention.

I will not be watching CNN, MSNBC or NBC over the next few months. If Obama or Michelle come on the screen, I will change channels immediately... unless it's about Obama being indicted by the Rezko D.A. heh, heh Can't wait for that to happen!

IF Obama is the nominee after Denver, I will work for McCain. I will find every single positive item I can about him and advertise it to everyone I know.

So thanks, Murray, for being here for us all... Hillary supporters!

[FLHillRodSupporter]

Thank you so much for keeping things up and running, Murray. I was hoping and praying that you would. I honestly don't know what I'd do without this place.

[daniperez]

Yes, 2 fronts.

Plan A: Hillary

Plan B: McCain

Plan C: there isn't one!


Murray, I like your plan!

What a great feeling to know that WE Hillary supporters (if we stick together), hold the fate of the election in our hands.

It's gonna be a great summer ;)

[jerseygirl7]

MOST DEFINITELY............FORWARD WITH HILLARY! She left the door open and retained CONTROL and LEVERAGE by suspending/keeping her Delegates! I'll go McCain after I see what happens between now and the Convention!

Me myself....I'm waiting for an Indictment because I feel one is coming....(so do my other legal colleagues)....


Scott: are you sure that she can retain her delegates? Didn't her NY delegates just jump ship and climb onto Obama's ship. Is her campaign suspended? If so, why did she ENDORSE Obama and not just offer her support.

Need some words of encouragement! Right now I am bummed on my birthday! :(

[GOHillary08]

Thank You Murray.

Can someone find out positively if we donate to Hillary, that it will go to HER debt ?

I want to be assured it will NOT go to Obama. Then, of course, we can donate here, as I believe we emotionally need this site; at least I know I do.

Looks like contributions will go to the dems on her website.

[hipelayne]

Thanks Murray! It seems that financial support over at her website will go to Obama - therefore, I refuse to contribute over there. Just because Hillary is doing what she has to do - for party unity (my a$$) doesn't mean that we have to follow suit. I will not contribute to McCain at this point in time so I will contribute to the Hillaryclintonforum.net to keep the site going. I really appreciate you starting this site and keeping it going for us orphaned Hillary fans! I would encourage all who can to help Murray with the costs of running this site, if you so wish. Thanks :)

[Frances]

Tho I am changing parties, I will support Hillary. If that means letting Obamaphiles think they are getting my support, let them think it, they won't. I'll be blogging
every stupid thing he and his camp say, and everything they say I will back
up with what Hillary said and did! She will be my example. They lose, cause
I'm not voting Obama!

I have a single daughter, with a three year old, she's a waitress and
not insured.....Hillary speaks to me about my grandchildren, and all
children in America. It's for them, don't care what anyone says or thinks
about me!

[brussell]

How about C. HILLARY 2012?

[hipelayne]

Scott: are you sure that she can retain her delegates? Didn't her NY delegates just jump ship and climb onto Obama's ship. Is her campaign suspended? If so, why did she ENDORSE Obama and not just offer her support.

Need some words of encouragement! Right now I am bummed on my birthday! :(

Awww - I'm sorry you had to get bummed out on your birthday. You should step away from the computer, tv, radio etc., and go do something for yourself that will make you feel good. Forget all about this - I do believe that things will get better. HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

[CGP]

How about C. HILLARY 2012?

That will work! ;)

[BlackVelvet]

Yes, 2 fronts.

Plan A: Hillary

Plan B: McCain

Plan C: there isn't one!

I've personally been resistant to voting for McCain...I don't plan to vote for Obama and was thinking of voting Green.

Would you share with me the reasons you decided to vote for McCain? I'm always open to reason.

[Gerry2008]

Need some words of encouragement! Right now I am bummed on my birthday! :(

Happy Birthday JerseyGirl7.

Go do something special today - we'll keep an eye on things while you go out and enjoy your birthday.

[CGP]

I've personally been resistant to voting for McCain...I don't plan to vote for Obama and was thinking of voting Green.

Would you share with me the reasons you decided to vote for McCain? I'm always open to reason.

I am talking about the forum.

The majority of people here plan to support McCain if Hillary is not the nominee.

Other people may choose alternative options, but the focus of the forum will be on supporting McCain - BO's opponent if BO gets the nomination.

[OkieforHRC2008]

Thank you all so much. I love this forum, and agree with the direction we will be taking. I firmly believe that Obama's skeletons will explode from his closets and the DNC will have no choice but to chose Hillary.

~~OkieforHRC2008

Obama is never a choice.

[daniperez]

Yes, the forum will be remaining to help HILLARY from June to August.

After August, if BO officially emerges as the nominee, the focus will be on helping John McCain.

Just because Hillary Clinton says a few words to please the hiearchy does not mean I will follow her like a cult member.

For me, NO OBAMA means NO OBAMA!

I am not Taylor Marsh!

Plan A: Hillary

Plan B: McCain

Plan C: doesn't exist

Luvin' this plan Murry, 100%!!!

[shadow]

I hope nobody signs that thing on hillary's site, about supporting OB. It may well be a way of trying to learn if we will fall in line. And if anyone donates money to her site, it may well actually go to the democratic party. don't do it.

[hillary4change]

Plan A: Hillary

Plan B: McCain

Plan C: Hillary 2012 if not 2008.

NO OBAMBI EVER!

[mjno7777]

Murray, well put. Thank you. Same here.

MURRAY,

This is exactly my attitude.

[thebword]

Yes, the forum will be remaining to help HILLARY from June to August.

After August, if BO officially emerges as the nominee, the focus will be on helping John McCain.

Just because Hillary Clinton says a few words to please the hiearchy does not mean I will follow her like a cult member.

For me, NO OBAMA means NO OBAMA!

I am not Taylor Marsh! :eek:

Plan A: Hillary

Plan B: McCain

Plan C: doesn't exist

Agreed, count me in.

[foxyladi]

Agreed, count me in.

count on me thanks murray
the idea is to get hillary elected president
but to make sure obama and his lovely wify
get no where near our white house:cool::cool::cool:

[Santiago]

Long way to Denver!

[Les33]

Scott: are you sure that she can retain her delegates? Didn't her NY delegates just jump ship and climb onto Obama's ship. Is her campaign suspended? If so, why did she ENDORSE Obama and not just offer her support.

Need some words of encouragement! Right now I am bummed on my birthday! :(

Happy Birthday!
Yes, she suspended her campaign and can keep her delegates. Anything can still happen between now and the convention. Her endorsement of Obama was what she had to do to keep her hand in as a Democrat, and we knew she wasn't leaving the party.

[Mrs L]

Thank you Murray!


I BELIEVE THE LATEST EMAIL FROM RAPID RESPONDERS SAYING SHE HAS TOLD HER DELEGATES TO SUPPORT OBAMA WAS AN OMISSION IN HER SPEECH AND THEY HAVE JUMPED ON HER TO CORRECT IT.

THAT IS WHAT I SINCERELY BELIEVE.
I THINK SHE DELIBERATELY LEFT IT OUT OF HER SPEECH.

[Laura Cereta]

Thank you, Murray; I was hoping you would feel that way! :)

Plan A: Hillary 2008 (DENVER DENVER DENVER)

Plan B: McCain

Plan C: 2012

Never in ANY Plan: Obama

:D:D:D

[RAFREE]

How about C. HILLARY 2012?

YES!! She will need our full force support for this because now we cannot trust her party to get fully behind her. We can stay viral about this one...build momentum for the long term and then slam them in 2012 with loads of supporters. Petition the DNC NO MORE CAUCUSES! If we can get them to drop those undemocratic caucuses she will hit a home run out of the park. We also need to keep exposing Obamarama all the time so he has NO CHANCE in 2012 what so ever. Send him packing back to Chicagoland.

Find out who all our friends are and stay close and connected. LOTS to do then.

BUT NOW! Now we make put Denver on the table and then we bolster McCain send the DNC a big message. With friends like Howard we don't need enemies!

[marcelmarcel]

Rezko!!!!!!and friends to the rescue

[JOY TO THE WORLD]

I hope nobody signs that thing on hillary's site, about supporting OB. It may well be a way of trying to learn if we will fall in line. And if anyone donates money to her site, it may well actually go to the democratic party. don't do it.

I won't be signing anything that has to do with Obam, except a petition for him to leave this country! I also agree with plan A. Hillary, B. McCain. Should Hillary show up in our neck of the woods to stump for him, I will not be there (even though I would love to see her) I refuse to give the DNC and Obama the slightest hint that the crowds are swooning over that flawed and fake Obama. I hope others will do the same. Stay home when Hillary shows up--this isn't to disrespect our candidate, just to show those traitors at DNC and Obama that we have not fallen into step...we are INDEPENDENTLY for Hillary and that's the point of us not improving his image as if he is some unifier!:mad:

[tommy]

I'm glad we have an Admin (Murray) that will support us and fight all the way for Hillary. I will be standing with the rest that are not giving in for BO. :)

[HillsterHDRC]

I am so surprised by this forum. I was really worried that after her speech there would be a bunch of anger and drama here, even though I know how much everyone here respects Hillary.
Plan A: Hillary, forever
Plan B: John McCain
Plan C: N/A for now

[CGP]

I am so surprised by this forum. I was really worried that after her speech there would be a bunch of anger and drama here, even though I know how much everyone here respects Hillary.
Plan A: Hillary, forever
Plan B: John McCain
Plan C: N/A for now

Surprised in what respect? Surprised that there is not a bunch of anger & drama?

I feel energized actually. We proceed with helping to ensure Plan A works!

[CGP]

Thank you, Murray; I was hoping you would feel that way! :)

Did you ever doubt me? ;)

I am no Taylor Marsh! I am not a party hack!

I won't support a FRAUD & ABUSER all for the sake of some warped notion of "unity".

Hillary is the only acceptable Democratic option.

If not Hillary, then it's McCain in 2008 and Hillary in 2012.

[Renee in Florida]

Yes we are serious, we were UNITED for Hillary but now that the DNC has officially tanked Hillary and coronated Obama we are now UNITED for

JOHN MCCAIN!!!!!!!

[joeysky18]

I feel energized actually. We proceed with helping to ensure Plan A works!

Same here. Full steam ahead on Plan A.

[joeysky18]

We need to start planning for Denver.

[Dendy]

NO OBAMA!!!!

Plan A: Hillary

Plan B: McCain

Plan C: doesn't exist

[joeysky18]

Some of my thoughts on how to achieve Plan A:

1) Let Obama be Obama.
2) Let the Republicans hammer him.
3) And get Hillary off the hook by saying Obama has to get us to vote for him.

[CGP]

Some of my thoughts on how to achieve Plan A:

1) Let Obama be Obama.
2) Let the Republicans hammer him.
3) And get Hillary off the hook by saying Obama has to get us to vote for him.

Regarding point 3. I agree, she should NOT have to sell him, he should have to sell himself! And we know he will fail at that.

[MarkMiller]

I am talking about the forum.

The majority of people here plan to support McCain if Hillary is not the nominee.

Other people may choose alternative options, but the focus of the forum will be on supporting McCain - BO's opponent if BO gets the nomination.

While I do not share the support of John McCain as many here do, I would like to thank Murray for all the support he gave Hillary Clinton and all the efforts of the thousands of members here.

While we may part ways in ideology at this time we still have much in common and I will always think highly of all here.

Thanks for the good times and the hard fight!

Peace.
Mark Miller

[CGP]

While I do not share the support of John McCain as many here do, I would like to thank Murray for all the support he gave Hillary Clinton and all the efforts of the thousands of members here.

While we may part ways in ideology at this time we still have much in common and I will always think highly of all here.

Thanks for the good times and the hard fight!

Peace.
Mark Miller

The focus remains on Hillary: 2008 or 2012. The paths to getting there may be varied, but the overall goals remain the same!

[emmyCA]

Only Hillary or McCain.

[Angelica91]

ONLY HILLARY NOW AND 2RD TERM IN 2012!

[CGP]

Some people need to read this thread...

[santafek]

Count me in too.

[CGP]

Reminder.

[daniperez]

Plan A: Hillary

Plan B: McCain

Plan C: there isn't one!

[FlaDem]

Thank you, Murray. And thanks to all the Forum members for sticking together. Unity for the Forum; not the DNC. The only unity the Democrats are going to get from me is for Hillary, and only Hillary. NO BO!

[Laura Cereta]

Scott: are you sure that she can retain her delegates? Didn't her NY delegates just jump ship and climb onto Obama's ship. Is her campaign suspended? If so, why did she ENDORSE Obama and not just offer her support.

Need some words of encouragement! Right now I am bummed on my birthday! :(

I know you wrote this a few days ago, but I hope you had a happy b-day. :) Those were supers that jumped ship; she has retained all her pledged delegates, which means there will be no nominee on the 1st vote at the convention.

[Brooke]

I am continuing to support Hillary, but am also starting to work for McCain. I'm not going to sit by and let that Obama get into the WH. I'm going to be working on two fronts now.

I am doing this too, since I called the McCain campaign on Friday and signed up on the Citizens for McCain website. I can do both, we have to cover our bases guys.

I'm using my mom's laptop and she saw me on the McCain site and just said "Ugh, I don't want to hear about it" she grunts whenever she sees him on TV. I said "Country before party, sorry mom" I guess I'm not going to be winning over any members of my family, but I have my resolve and dedication as a Clinton supporter, so it doesn't matter. My mother blames Bill a lot for Hillary "losing" and is angry. She seems more angry about this than what happened in 98 and I was more upset over that than I've been about his comments during this campaign. I see it as not much different than the anger we're all feeling right now, can't blame it.

NOBAMA. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.

It's picking up on Myspace too, I got friends request for a lot of Anti Obama pages.

[CGP]

New people, please note the plans of this forum.

So no "lectures" about what people should/shouldn't do.

[masapan]

:D

No Obama...lets not allow Chicago militants take us over. Yes, the forum will be remaining to help HILLARY from June to August.

After August, if BO officially emerges as the nominee, the focus will be on helping John McCain.

Just because Hillary Clinton says a few words to please the hiearchy does not mean I will follow her like a cult member.

For me, NO OBAMA means NO OBAMA!

I am not Taylor Marsh! :eek:

Plan A: Hillary

Plan B: McCain

Plan C: doesn't exist

[dandanna]

Woo hoo! I am so glad that we are standing strong. It is so disappointing to see the HC.com site taken over by those condescending a**es!

[CGP]

Woo hoo! I am so glad that we are standing strong. It is so disappointing to see the HC.com site taken over by those condescending a**es!

Yes, very disturbing. But predictable. They are like toxins, viruses, infecting everywhere they go...

[Arctic907]

I'm here because it isn't over until the delegates vote at the convention. One of our best actions is to help retire the HRC campaign debt.

[eeslaomd]

thank you murray for this site. we'll never vote for bho. until such time that the dnc convenes and the supers cast their votes, we should not lose hope for hillary.

[AlexG]

I am with all of you.

[hillarymyhero]

Plan A Hillary 08
Plan B McCain 08
Plan C Hillary 2012

No Obama, never over my dead body...

[cancelledbysbc]

:confused:We Must Begin Actively Campaining For McCain Here's Why:

Hillary Clinton - RNC Advertisement



Please Don't Forget Our Support For McCain Has To Show To Make An Impact On Superdelegates Before Denver! :cool:

[nancyincali]

dean, pelosi, boxer, feinstein, feminist majority, NOW, emily's list, geraldine ferraro, al gore:

basic outline:

election is a sham
overturned the will of the voters
if FL/MI seated in full strength as voted, hillary would have more pledged dels.
she won popular vote.

hatred, media biased, obama campaign, party elite all discriminated against her

we will protest - one million strong in denver - take over the floor

we won't anoint obama - the selected

hillary deserves the nomination. stop forcing her to concede. let her make her case to the super's at the convention.

unity ticket only.

left the democratic party - will vote for mccain.

[shadow]

I think I read this at No Quarter, that the Ob campaign has people going to all the Hillary sites, news sites, ect, and literally crowding out Hillary supporters. The article also said that these OB people were stealing Hillary supporters user names to flood sites with "I accept that she CONCEDED and am going with OB".

I assume that to be true since No Quarter has the story, so be careful.

They apparently are trying to flood blogs and such with posts making it appear the majority of us have given up and switched to OB.

Also, there is a big thread over at DU, probably removed by now too, about PUMA and they do fear that movement, and have plans to attempt to stop it.

[Hank for Hill]

Hi! I am new to this site having long given up on hillaryclinton.com where I was HenryG, and so am coming here. I also will not give up on Hillary 2008. I wish we could hear from her daily, but I know she is steeped in what she has to do, and also know that she must be TOTALLY exhausted, mentally and physically. I would like to know how many Solutions for America events she held. I would guess some ridiculous number like 500? Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think the media and the rest of the weak dems are afraid of her. She is actually presidential and willing to make things happen. She could actually bring washington into focus.

we need her now. If 2012 becomes the target, I am there all the way with my money and time.

take care!

Hank

[joeysky18]

Hi! I am new to this site having long given up on hillaryclinton.com where I was HenryG, and so am coming here. I also will not give up on Hillary 2008. I wish we could hear from her daily, but I know she is steeped in what she has to do, and also know that she must be TOTALLY exhausted, mentally and physically. I would like to know how many Solutions for America events she held. I would guess some ridiculous number like 500? Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think the media and the rest of the weak dems are afraid of her. She is actually presidential and willing to make things happen. She could actually bring washington into focus.

we need her now. If 2012 becomes the target, I am there all the way with my money and time.

take care!

Hank

Hello Hank, and welcome to our forum. We are busy with lots of action points. We are strong in numbers and still fighting.

[samkm]

Anyone who has not maxed out yet, please donate to HRC's Primary fund.

[spega]

SEND THE MESSAGE TO THE DNc-MEET WITH McCAIN
Hi Everyone:

I need to let those of you who may be interested know that there is a teleconference
scheduled for Saturday, June 14th with John McCain for HRC
supporters at 3:30.
Here is the access info to register for the call:
email: teletownhall@johnmccain.com
OR http://cityhall.johnmccain.com

If you can’t participate in the call, but want to submit a question, please send it to MKforhillary@gmail.com

PASS THIS ON--

Supporters of the Traveling pants

[suerw]

SEND THE MESSAGE TO THE DNc-MEET WITH McCAIN
Hi Everyone:

I need to let those of you who may be interested know that there is a teleconference
scheduled for Saturday, June 14th with John McCain for HRC
supporters at 3:30.
Here is the access info to register for the call:
email: teletownhall@johnmccain.com
OR http://cityhall.johnmccain.com

If you can’t participate in the call, but want to submit a question, please send it to MKforhillary@gmail.com

PASS THIS ON--

Supporters of the Traveling pants

E-mailed my question in.

[Audrey Rose]

I take it from the dialog here, we are still considering the campaign suspended, not conceded, so this forum is still the place to strategize to turn Supers against Obama and to Hillary. Murray or somebody can correct me if I am wrong. This is still the Hillary For President forum and nothing has changed except Hillary's lip service to shut up the DNC, while she can still win in Denver when Obama self-destructs - and he will.

In the meantime, as long as she does not concede, our efforts at scaring the DNC into changing their minds, including threats to vote for McCain, write her in, change to Independent and staying at home. As long as the campaign is suspended, her campaign is still alive, just suspended - her delegates are still hers and the supers can still change their mind.

Because the suspension is now official, starting Sunday morning, the campaign officially begins:

ObamaAlternatives.org supported by the PAC (527) TakeBackDemocrats.org and including:

ClintonSupportersForMcCain.org
HillaryClintonWritein.org
ObamaAlternatives.org/IndependentCampaign
ObamaAlternatives.org/StayAtHomeCampaign

Make sure your decision(s) are registered at the site.

I'm hearing that if you write-in Hillary's name in the GE, it will automatially be given to BHO, as he is the presumptive nominee of the dem party. I've heard that his supporter's are pushing this idea to trick us.

Does anyone know if this is true? If so, we need to get the word out! I'm a newby, so I'm not sure about this, and would appreciate a reply..............thanks...........

[Annie]

Nobody here has given up, so this forum's goal has not changed.



A big AGREEMENT from me...:D

AUDREY ROSE:I'm hearing that if you write-in Hillary's name in the GE, it will automatially be given to BHO, as he is the presumptive nominee of the dem party. I've heard that his supporter's are pushing this idea to trick us.

Does anyone know if this is true? If so, we need to get the word out! I'm a newby, so I'm not sure about this, and would appreciate a reply..............thanks...........
Every state has their own rules - you have to check if you can write in Hillary and if so what happens. Then let us know what you find out officially.

[YourAussieFriend]

Hi everybody, I am a great believer in:
THE POWER OF ONE - PEOPLE UNITED AS ONE

OB has big money on his side you have PEOPLE POWER on yours:

you can bring about change/outcomes by organised letter drops, talking to people exposing his weaknesses and lack of policy at community meetings, door knocks, discuss the issues in your work place, visit elderly citizens clubs to explain OB's lack of policy when it comes to National Health.
Too many people are misinformed, bloggers state 'how similar Senator Clinton and OB's policies are" wrong, they are poles apart.
His National Health Care policy isn't worth the paper its written on. The DNC have chosen a candidate that offers nothing in regard to peoples right to basic health care.
He relies heavily on a six year old speech stating he is against the war in Iraq to give him the credentials to say he is a man of wisdom.
He has no opinion in regard to pro choice - when it came to a vote he could only manage to yell out 'present'
WHY HASN'T HE BEEN CHALLENGED, asked to explain his policies. HIS POLICIES ARE SO WEAK AND THEY NEED TO BE EXPOSED.

A persons friends/associates are a reflection of self and when I read the growing list of friends/associates he has, they are quite scary.
Chenney brought to the White House his friend/associate in Donald Rumsfeld - the man responsible for the Iraq mess.

I like Plan A, B and C YOU CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN

[CGP]

Hi everybody, I am a great believer in:
THE POWER OF ONE - PEOPLE UNITED AS ONE

OB has big money on his side you have PEOPLE POWER on yours:

you can bring about change/outcomes by organised letter drops, talking to people exposing his weaknesses and lack of policy at community meetings, door knocks, discuss the issues in your work place, visit elderly citizens clubs to explain OB's lack of policy when it comes to National Health.
Too many people are misinformed, bloggers state 'how similar Senator Clinton and OB's policies are" wrong, they are poles apart.
His National Health Care policy isn't worth the paper its written on. The DNC have chosen a candidate that offers nothing in regard to peoples right to basic health care.
He relies heavily on a six year old speech stating he is against the war in Iraq to give him the credentials to say he is a man of wisdom.
He has no opinion in regard to pro choice - when it came to a vote he could only manage to yell out 'present'
WHY HASN'T HE BEEN CHALLENGED, asked to explain his policies. HIS POLICIES ARE SO WEAK AND THEY NEED TO BE EXPOSED.

A persons friends/associates are a reflection of self and when I read the growing list of friends/associates he has, they are quite scary.
Chenney brought to the White House his friend/associate in Donald Rumsfeld - the man responsible for the Iraq mess.

I like Plan A, B and C YOU CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN

How are things going in Oz? Is Rudd (Democrat equivalent) any better than Johnnie Howard (Republican equivalent)?

[CGP]

NEW MEMBERS - TAKE NOTE.

There is no "conflict" about which direction this forum is moving in.

No BO under ANY circumstances.

If not Hillary in 2008, then it's McCain 2008.

[shadow]

NEW MEMBERS - TAKE NOTE.

There is no "conflict" about which direction this forum is moving in.

No BO under ANY circumstances.

If not Hillary in 2008, then it's McCain 2008.

Love you Murray! That troll was funny. You get to them so fast, so that was my first "troll read". :D

[trading wine for beer]

Wow, I did not realize this... I missed this thread completely. I read it when it was started (by larrymac), but missed the evolving discussion. At the beginning of the thread, however, larrymac has a write Hillary in link. You may want to edit that one. Thanks for clearing that up, joeysky. (joey sent me a message to clear up my confusion).

Well, that being the case, I can only agree to Plan A and C if A doesn't work out. I'm still not voting Obama.... but also can't participate on this forum any longer... because I can't get on board with supporting a candidate that is against everything I've worked my whole life for. I'll stick around until Denver, and then, hopefully will stay on because Hillary will be our nominee. If not, then...

I've truly enjoyed this forum, but will not be voting for McCain. Not that anyone on this forum has bullied anyone... well, at least the threads that I have read and participated in didn't seem like it had anyone bullying each other. But if I stay, knowing the focus, then I only set myself up for being bullied at that point.

So, I have to remain true to myself and my activism. Vote Hillary, or write her in.

IF Obama wins, then my activism will revolve around making sure he follows through with his campaign promises by being a thorn in his side; in addition to continuing the fight for Universal Health Care. I may even consider moving to New York if Hillary remains the Senator or becomes Gov. I can become part of Hillary's New York Army.

It's been a fun ride! No hard feelings, just can't get behind McCain, nor can I get behind Obama.

[CGP]

Wow, I did not realize this... I missed this thread completely. I read it when it was started (by larrymac), but missed the evolving discussion. At the beginning of the thread, however, larrymac has a write Hillary in link. You may want to edit that one. Thanks for clearing that up, joeysky. (joey sent me a message to clear up my confusion).

Well, that being the case, I can only agree to Plan A and C if A doesn't work out. I'm still not voting Obama.... but also can't participate on this forum any longer... because I can't get on board with supporting a candidate that is against everything I've worked my whole life for. I'll stick around until Denver, and then, hopefully will stay on because Hillary will be our nominee. If not, then...

I've truly enjoyed this forum, but will not be voting for McCain. Not that anyone on this forum has bullied anyone... well, at least the threads that I have read and participated in didn't seem like it had anyone bullying each other. But if I stay, knowing the focus, then I only set myself up for being bullied at that point.

So, I have to remain true to myself and my activism. Vote Hillary, or write her in.

IF Obama wins, then my activism will revolve around making sure he follows through with his campaign promises by being a thorn in his side; in addition to continuing the fight for Universal Health Care. I may even consider moving to New York if Hillary remains the Senator or becomes Gov. I can become part of Hillary's New York Army.

It's been a fun ride! No hard feelings, just can't get behind McCain, nor can I get behind Obama.

We're still on Plan A! ;)

So no need to disappear.

[Bad Kitty]

We're still on Plan A! ;)

So no need to disappear.

I agree. Hillary is still in this.

[trading wine for beer]

I agree. Hillary is still in this.

yes, indeed! And I'm not leaving the forum unless she isn't in the running anymore... And the only thing I'd be upset about is the fact that she wouldn't be our president, which would have no reflection on this forum. Y'all are great Hillary soliders! But, I'd miss y'all, of course... but we don't have to go there just yet, if at all. :p.

[You Go Girl!]

I hope that in August we have Hillary as the democratic nominee...I would like nothing more than that. But, the only thing that worries me about not voting for McCain if Hillary is NOT the nominee, is that there is no counter vote against Obama. I don't know about any of you but I am very worried about Obama becoming president and I fear the outcome if that becomes a reality.

You may want to reconsider staying home or not voting for McCain, because every vote for McCain, is a vote NOT for Obama and counters every vote for Obama.

I am not willing to take the chance of Obama getting elected as our President, I will gladly vote for McCain to help stop that from happening.