BHO's "birth certificate" on his website (Certificate of Live Birth)

[Ebinger]

The same one they posted at dailykos:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert

it still looks fake to me, but this on his offical website.

[joeysky18]

if people can get a fake passport, a piece of paper can be fabricated.

[Bad Kitty]

I still call BS on BHusseinO. Why couldn't anyone else who was looking for it find it and all of a sudden it's on his website? Probably after he just typed it up 5 minutes ago.

[Area504]

With the number blacked out, it could have been typed yesterday on some old typewriter. There's nothing there that I see that proves otherwise.

Here's an enlargement I found on another board:

http://slimsplace.com/birthcert.jpg

[Bad Kitty]

I'm not buying it. You see that little disclaimer on the bottom. Does anyone else here born in the U.S. around that time have that disclaimer on the bottom?

[candyrose9460]

where does barry come from?

[Bad Kitty]

where does barry come from?

Kenya but he doesn't want anyone to know so shhhhh. :D

[gnnrg3]

Look down faint blue numbers. Hard to read. Look's like a number 7002 ?? N??:confused:

[Optixmom]

The stamp on the back says June 6, 2007. If he has had this since then, why didn't he release it earlier? Hmmm?

[shadow]

Looks fake. My birth certificate has the state seal imprinted so that it stands out, like it is thicker than the rest of the paper. if that makes sense? And why black out the number??

I call fakery.


eta - maybe it is only my state, but mine has the hospital's name, the registrars name, the number of births already had by the mother, if any, the sex of the baby. That thing looks fake to me.

[Area504]

Look down faint blue numbers. Hard to read. Look's like a number 7002 ?? N??:confused:

I noticed that too. It's probably something bleeding from the back of the form...probably a date when it was obtained (November 2007?)

My hubby tells me that if I went to get a copy of my birth certificate, it would be printed by a computer, even though I was born in 1955. HOWEVER, where is the seal of a notary to prove this is a true copy of the original? What, if anything, differentiates this document from some fraudulent document that anyone could print?

[Area504]

Looks fake. My birth certificate has the state seal imprinted so that it stands out, like it is thicker than the rest of the paper. if that makes sense? And why black out the number??

I call fakery.

Yes! That's another thing that's missing!! There's this big open space on the bottom right hand side. There should be a state seal there....why is that blank on BO's certificate??

[ScottVA]

Looks fake. My birth certificate has the state seal imprinted so that it stands out, like it is thicker than the rest of the paper. if that makes sense? And why black out the number??

I call fakery.


eta - maybe it is only my state, but mine has the hospital's name, the registrars name, the number of births already had by the mother, if any, the sex of the baby. That thing looks fake to me.

I AGREE! IT SHOULD HAVE A SEAL ON IT EVEN IF IT'S NOT RAISED... CERTIFYING IT ........ ITS NOT VALID UNLESS CERTIFIED...... BLANK COPIES ARE NOT EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO GET YOUR HANDS ON AND THEN "FILL IN YOURSELF" LOL

[santafegal]

Yes! That's another thing that's missing!! There's this big open space on the bottom right hand side. There should be a state seal there....why is that blank on BO's certificate??

I would not trust any document he produces at this point. If people get fake drivers licenses and fake passports, a birth certificate should be a piece of cake.

[BillDemo]

Looking at it closely in photoshop.... it looks like a doctored birth cert.

Looks like someone has taken a blank scan and typed in all the info using an image editor.

It certainly doesn't look like a scan of a document.
It looks like it was created in an image editor.
Typeface is arial.

[mjoynaples]

he was not born with the name Barrack he changed it later in life... this look like a scam....

[jcless]

Did you notice the certificate number was blacked out? Why would they do that if it was legit?

[indigo]

and full disclosure

[EngCindy]

Take a look at that certificate again....the bottom line....the portion that says....

"....fact of birth..."; right above it, there is a faint number, backwards.....

2007...

So where is the original, not the copy of.

I was born 1961 and I am presently looking at my birth certificate, the copy from the vital records and it has a date for when it was issued....I got a copy, but it is not the original, that would be on microfilm. I got mine in 2004. I think the original ones have all the other info; such as no. of birth,etc. Didn't he say he had it changed, since his name was Barry and not Barak ?

The bottom of mine states:
"I certify this is a true, full and correct copy of the original certificate on file or the vital record facts on file in the vital records unit of the (State) center for health statistics."

Then there is the State Registrar signature and seal.


Where is the State Registrar stamp on Obama....there is the State Seal, which mine has also, but not the registrar. I think it is fake.

[BillDemo]

OK here's the deal. That is a certification of birth, not a birth certificate. The two are totally different.

The certification of birth omits most of the information on the birth cert and is computer generated and so, easy to falsify. That's why it isn't considered valid ID.

The certification of birth is not accepted as official proof of identification anywhere. If you're applying for any official documents, the only valid ID they'll accept is a birth certificate. And this isn't it.

[Bad Kitty]

It certainly doesn't look like a scan of a document.
It looks like it was created in an image editor.
Typeface is arial.

Ha ha. They were too stupid and lazy to go get a type writer. Arial wasn't even a thing back then.

Sorry BHusseinO. Nice try but it didn't work.

[joeysky18]

he was not born with the name Barrack he changed it later in life... this look like a scam....

Barry Barry, cover your trail more carefully.

[Bad Kitty]

lol ya'll crack me up. I dont know but I am curious about how black he is? My kids do not believe that man is black and I am starting to believe them. First of all that is the weakest Black man on the Planet. He cries and bitches. He is complaining of the media now. Lol he is going to be knocked out the day after the convention. Unless of course we take his ass out.

I think someone found out that he is really only about 5% Black, 50% white and 45% Arabian or Kenyan. Don't quote me on the numbers but it was about this distribution. It might have even been as low as 3%.

[Calico]

Looking at it closely in photoshop.... it looks like a doctored birth cert.

Looks like someone has taken a blank scan and typed in all the info using an image editor.

It certainly doesn't look like a scan of a document.
It looks like it was created in an image editor.
Typeface is arial.

I agree. The typeface is arial. This is NOT the scan of an original document. The original would have been typed on a "old fashioned" typewriter. I was born in the 60's, a bit later than BO, and mind was typed. Did you notice the 2001 in the bottom left-hand corner? Not the original.

Good grief, we were only in the second generation of computers, transistors, (1959-1964) and not until 1963, did a major newspaper use it for typesetting. And, they didn't use an Ariel Font on a Word Processor!

Perhaps, we need a "debunk" Obama website or page on this forum to put all of this information together.

[Mrs L]

I AGREE! IT SHOULD HAVE A SEAL ON IT EVEN IF IT'S NOT RAISED... CERTIFYING IT ........ ITS NOT VALID UNLESS CERTIFIED...... BLANK COPIES ARE NOT EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO GET YOUR HANDS ON AND THEN "FILL IN YOURSELF" LOL

You are correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It MUST BE CERTIFIED!!!

[El Cuco]

African is not a race!

[RAFREE]

Well, they can't find the real birth certificate because don't you all know he descended from heaven and wasn't born at all? He's the messiah for goodness sakes! What's wrong with you people and now that we can't find a real record of birth that's just MORE PROOF that Obama is the second coming of Jesus!~ Ask OPRAH!:p:p:p

[Bad Kitty]

African is not a race!

Then what race are you when you are born in Africa? :confused:

[Vici57]

Isn't his name Barack Hussein Obama Jr. and his dad is Obama Sr. This birth certificate has him as the II. I would think that if you are a junior it wouldn't say II. I maybe wrong but it looks funny to me.

[Ebinger]

Haha, well Jesus WAS born in Bethlehem, because his mom and her husband had to go to a census.

I still remain dubious about it - reasons given here, and here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2030080/posts

and here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2030190/posts

[EH]

Looks fake. My birth certificate has the state seal imprinted so that it stands out, like it is thicker than the rest of the paper. if that makes sense? And why black out the number??

I call fakery.


eta - maybe it is only my state, but mine has the hospital's name, the registrars name, the number of births already had by the mother, if any, the sex of the baby. That thing looks fake to me.


Was just about to say the same thing - where's the imprinted state seal?

[EH]

Then what race are you when you are born in Africa? :confused:

I wonder what whites born in Africa consider themselves????:confused:

[Calico]

You are correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It MUST BE CERTIFIED!!!

Absolute CORRECT!

But, how many people who see this fake will think that it must be the real thing and not realize it?

We need to get the word out!

[Meg]

Seriously my birth certificate looks absolutely nothing like that.:rolleyes:

[Bad Kitty]

I wonder what whites born in Africa consider themselves????:confused:

They're African. I have a friend who is considered to be Chinese here in America, but he was born in Africa and is considered an African-American now because he has dual citizenship.

[Bad Kitty]

Seriously my birth certificate looks absoultely nothing like that.:rolleyes:

Mine doesn't either. What a fraud!

[Area504]

My hubby is insisting that the Arial typeface is not the issue. The birth certificate that we're viewing could have been printed on a contemporary printer. It may not be the original from 40+ years ago, but would still be valid if it had a seal.

This one does not. I wonder why not?

[xfiles]

It doesn't have a raised seal on it and it could have been made by any talented forgerer. Also, with the cert. # blacked out, it can't be verified. It also can't be read very well.


The same one they posted at dailykos:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert

it still looks fake to me, but this on his offical website.

[LadyVT]

Oh my flippin' cat. I cannot believe they would actually try to pass this off as a real document.

Yes, typeface was not in use (not developed) in 1961. I typed on many an old-fashioned typewriter. They look NOTHING like this. And, yes, rev 11/01 on the bottom?????????? How stupid do they think we are???

And of course, it's missing all the things birth certificates have on them. Parents' parents' names, places and dates of birth, doctor's name? Oh, give me a break. I am totally disgusted.

[victory]

This can't be an official birth certificate. There's a lot of personal family information missing.

What is interesting is that there is a time of birth listed. Astrologers have been looking for his birthtime for a very long time and the one previously reported (1:06 pm) is very different from this one (7:24 pm).

[BillDemo]

This strikes me as odd:

Mother's Race: Caucasian
Father's Race: African

Shouldn't it be Caucasian and Black?

According to the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), on birth certificates, the 10 standard, fixed racial categories are:

White, Black, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Hawaiian, Filipino, Other Asian/Pacific Islander, Other Race (Hispanic), and Unknown Race.

[shadow]

Oh my flippin' cat. I cannot believe they would actually try to pass this off as a real document.

Yes, typeface was not in use (not developed) in 1961. I typed on many an old-fashioned typewriter. They look NOTHING like this. And, yes, rev 11/01 on the bottom?????????? How stupid do they think we are???

And of course, it's missing all the things birth certificates have on them. Parents' parents' names, places and dates of birth, doctor's name? Oh, give me a break. I am totally disgusted.

The seal would be there even if it is a copy. And all the info, such as "other births", ect.

Mine is a copy. But it has the seal, ect. That thing is fake.

Are there any members here from Hawaii who could compare theirs to this thing?

[ShyFire]

His mother's name is STANLEY ANN?????

LOL... hmmm.

[BillDemo]

My hubby is insisting that the Arial typeface is not the issue. The birth certificate that we're viewing could have been printed on a contemporary printer. It may not be the original from 40+ years ago, but would still be valid if it had a seal.

This one does not. I wonder why not?

Yes, the live birth certification is commonly printed out by laser printer. Clearly BO got this very recently.

[RAFREE]

The seal would be there even if it is a copy. And all the info, such as "other births", ect.

Mine is a copy. But it has the seal, ect. That thing is fake.

Are there any members here from Hawaii who could compare theirs to this thing?


Yes the seal would be there! I've had to get umpteen copies of my birth certificate being a dem *ex* abroad. It's NOT valid without the seal. Anybody can get a form like a FAKE diploma online and fill it out...lol.

[Calico]

Also, certified birth certificates are forgery-resistant documents printed on safety paper with watermarks, raised engraving, background security patterns and sequential numbering. Hospital baby footprint certificates cannot be used as a legal document.

[MaryKay]

If you send for a modern copy of your birth certificate, it's going to be a certified copy. That one is as fake.

[Ace]

"Barack Obama's Birth Certificate"

Link:
http://www.2shared.com/file/3429215/ecac6ae6/BO_birthcert.html

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http://dc60.2shared.com/download/3429215/ecac6ae6/BO_birthcert.jpg?tsid=20080612-221054-4f4f3e78

[Nancy Kallitechnis]

I'm not questioning the validity of Obama's certificate; but I would
like to know why he stalled in providing it. I noticed that at the
bottom of the document it says this is a copy of the original document.
There are many valid reasons for not providing an original. For
example, the original might be lost. I think Obama should provide a
reason why he did not provide the original.

I have seen a copy of a birth certificate from another state and it
looked similar. It was a single page. I am looking at an original
birth certificate now. It is made of cardstock paper. On the front it
has the following information:

name of hospital
city and state
hospital logo
hospital photo
child's name
parents' names
date of birth
official seal (metalic sticker)
signed by the obstetrics director, nurse director, an administrator, and
the physician

The back of the certificate has little baby footprints and the mother's
fingerprint. There is also a number. I don't know why this type of
information would not be made available immedialy by a public official. It's just basic information most of which can easily be researched by a journalist.

[Bad Kitty]

You know what I just thought about......Usually now a days when you copy something official they have some safety feature that will make a certain word or certain seal more bold then the rest of the document, so that officials know that it is not the original and that it has been scanned or photocopied. Like transcripts. If you try to copy newer versions of them a big COPY will appear or the SCHOOL NAME or something.

[Area504]

The distinction between a Long Form (Birth Certificate) and Short Form (Certification of Birth) can be found on Wikipedia:

Birth certificates in the United States


[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Birth_certificate&action=edit&section=4)] Long forms

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/88/Weird.gif/180px-Weird.gif (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Weird.gif) http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Weird.gif)
Sample of a long form birth certificate


Long forms, also known as certified photocopies, book copies, and photostat copies, are exact photocopies of the original birth record that was prepared by the hospital or attending physician at the time of the child's birth [2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_certificate#cite_note-vitalstats-1). The long form usually includes parents' information (address of residence, race, birth place, date of birth, etc.), additional information on the child's birthplace, and information on the doctors that assisted in the birth of the child. The long form also usually includes the signature of the doctor involved and at least one of the parents [3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_certificate#cite_note-standardbc-2).


In the U.S., the U.S. National Center for Health Statistics creates standard forms that are recommended for long form birth certificate use. However, states are free to create their own forms [4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_certificate#cite_note-standardcerts-3). These "forms" are completed by the attendant at birth or a hospital administrator, which are then forwarded to a local or state registrar, who stores the record and issues certified copies when requested [5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_certificate#cite_note-handbook-4).


Long forms may become obsolete in years to come, as many states have begun to use Electronic Birth Registration systems [6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_certificate#cite_note-ebr-5). The use of these systems will enable information typically seen on certified copies (long forms) to be available in computer databases that typically issue short form certificates, thus eliminating the need for "hard copy" long form certificates and having all birth information stored in computer databases only. This benefits parents in many ways; registration can be completed via computer at the hospital, meaning that parents can stop by their Vital Statistics office on the way home from the hospital to purchase the birth certificate instantly [7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_certificate#cite_note-ebrbrochure-6). It also means that the extra cost for long form certificates will no longer be a factor.

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Birth_certificate&action=edit&section=5)] Short forms

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Sample of a short form birth certificate (certification of birth)


Short forms, known sometimes as computer certifications, are not universally available, but are cheaper than photocopies and much more easily accessible. Limited information is taken from the original birth record (the long form) and stored in a database that can be accessed quickly when birth certificates are needed in a short amount of time. Whereas the long form is a copy of the actual birth certificate, a short form is a document that certifies the existence of such certificate, and is usually titled a "Certification of Birth" or "Certificate of Birth Registration". The short form typically includes the child's name, date of birth, sex, and place of birth, although some also include the names of the child's parents. When the certification does include the names of the parents, it can be used in lieu of a long form birth certificate in almost all circumstances [2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_certificate#cite_note-vitalstats-1). Nearly all states in the U.S. issue short forms certifications, on both state and local levels [8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_certificate#cite_note-inspector-7).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_certificate

[OkieforHRC2008]

You know what I just thought about......Usually now a days when you copy something official they have some safety feature that will make a certain word or certain seal more bold then the rest of the document, so that officials know that it is not the original and that it has been scanned or photocopied. Like transcripts. If you try to copy newer versions of them a big COPY will appear or the SCHOOL NAME or something.

That's what I thought too! It really does seem like a fake. JMHO, but it doesn't look like any birth certificate I've ever seen.

~~OkieforHRC2008

[Meg]

The distinction between a Long Form (Birth Certificate) and Short Form (Certification of Birth) can be found on Wikipedia:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_certificate


well if that is supposed to be the short form ... it still doesn't resemble it.

[Calico]

Just searched for "hrs 338-13(b), 338-19", which is in the lower right-hand corner. Search results are zero.

[Charlie Brown]

This looks plain...Mine has much more to it...More information... also my kids does...Oh man I'll have to dig them out of the filing cabnet....You people have good vision I can't make heads nor tails of those numbers...


It took a long time to produce it didnt it??????


Wheres scott he's a lawyer what does he think????

[JMS825]

"Barack Obama's Birth Certificate"

http://dc60.2shared.com/download/3429215/ecac6ae6/BO_birthcert.jpg?tsid=20080612-214910-6196db0d

people send this copy to the media if it is fake it still may force Obama into releasing the real one

[LucyTN]

For those of you who have your birth certificates right now, do they have any FOLD lines on them? Wouldn't they have been sent through the mail in a legal size envelope? This one has no lines or anything on it. Neat and new as you please.

[SantaCruzen]

Barrack Houssein Obama
Aug 4, 1961
7:24 PM
Ohau, Hawaii

Ok, Get Those Charts Prepared. I heard a Professional Astrologer on the Radio last week state that Obama is have a few good years but in a few years his chart shows he will be going throug his weakness and those will challenge him.

Let's look for all those weaknesses now...

[Charlie Brown]

Barrack Houssein Obama
Aug 4, 1961
7:24 PM
Ohau, Hawaii

Ok, Get Those Charts Prepared. I heard a Professional Astrologer on the Radio last week state that Obama is have a few good years but in a few years his chart shows he will be going throug his weakness and those will challenge him.

Let's look for all those weaknesses now...

SYLVIA BROWN SAYS a DEMOCRAT WILL BE IN OFFICE...BUT THE PRESIDENT WILL HAVE A HEART ATTACK IN THE FIRST YEAR...THE VP WILL GET US IN MORE TROUBLE WHEN HE TAKES CONTROL.. ON MONTEL SHE SAID BO WILL BE THE PRESIDENT...SHE DID PERDICT KERRY RUNNING AND LOSING TO BUSH...BUT WASNT CORRECT ON PREVIOUS PRESIDENTS...SO ITS IFFY

[shadow]

"Barack Obama's Birth Certificate"

Link:
http://www.2shared.com/file/3429215/ecac6ae6/BO_birthcert.html

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http://dc60.2shared.com/download/3429215/ecac6ae6/BO_birthcert.jpg?tsid=20080612-221054-4f4f3e78

That says North Korea and Antartica. :confused:

[Ijane]

Personally I don't care if the certificate is real or not. I just think it's hilarious that he started a rumor debunking website. Let's keep making him post things to prove he's real and not a hologram.

What should we demand next? I know! Lets make him show proof that he and misshelle are actually married!

Oh! Better yet! Lets make him prove that he and michelle have a voting record!

I don't believe that his America hating wife has ever voted in an election before her husband ran for Senate.

[Bad Kitty]

That says North Korea and Antartica. :confused:

LOL. Somebody just put that there.

[thebword]

For those of you who have your birth certificates right now, do they have any FOLD lines on them? Wouldn't they have been sent through the mail in a legal size envelope? This one has no lines or anything on it. Neat and new as you please.

When I needed a copy of a birth certificate, the Town Hall just photo copied the original and then affixed the RAISED SEAL. So though it did not have folds (since I was right there), it did have a raised seal.
However, what I find interesting is the typing which clearly is from a laser printer. A Birth Certificate from 1961 would have been typed with a typewriter. There are NO blotches, erasures, or indentations (all of which show in a photo copy) in the paper that are typical of REAL typewriting. If Obama lost his official copy and applied for a new one: why didn't the Town Hall clerk copy the original on file with them and affix a raised seal?

[victory]

SYLVIA BROWN SAYS a DEMOCRAT WILL BE IN OFFICE...BUT THE PRESIDENT WILL HAVE A HEART ATTACK IN THE FIRST YEAR...THE VP WILL GET US IN MORE TROUBLE WHEN HE TAKES CONTROL.. ON MONTEL SHE SAID BO WILL BE THE PRESIDENT...SHE DID PERDICT KERRY RUNNING AND LOSING TO BUSH...BUT WASNT CORRECT ON PREVIOUS PRESIDENTS...SO ITS IFFY

Actually Sylvia is a quack. she also didn't want Hillary in office because of "menstruation" issues. And technically, she actually also once predicted Kerry winning. You can google her prediction on the prez races. Not a good track record.

But I've already alerted a few astrologers to the new time for BO's birth.

[Gerry2008]

This strikes me as odd:

Mother's Race: Caucasian
Father's Race: African

Shouldn't it be Caucasian and Black?

According to the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), on birth certificates, the 10 standard, fixed racial categories are:

White, Black, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Hawaiian, Filipino, Other Asian/Pacific Islander, Other Race (Hispanic), and Unknown Race.

This is the odd item as far as I'm concerned. I guess it's possible that Hawaii uses its own designations but I'd be surprised. African isn't a race, it's a country or continent. I was born in Washington, DC so I want my race to be "District of Columbian" from now on.

[JamieKuuipo]

This is the truth: TO DISPEL ALL THE SMEARS

I BO was born in Hawaii, I have posted my birth certification so you all know the truth. I was born. I blacked out the certificate number just in case.

I only posted the certification of Live birth because the Original has too much
information on it like my Fathers or Mothers occupation,ages,religious beliefs, or the hospital I was born at. The long form of original birth is just to
much information that I don't want to share. You don't need that any way
just enough to pove I was born, my friend and adviser, Rezko told me so.

Look thats all you need to know.
I am going to be pres. so shut up about my birth certificate NOW!

NO MORE SMEARSBe very carful of what you do or say or I will take it out on you. On my new
web page smears. I'll show you, I am telling the truth.

VOTE FOR ME, IM GOING TO GIVE YOU HOPE AND CHANGE.

Ob and MOs message to you no more smears. or else.!!!!!

p.s please disregard the porn on the smear site, its just another smear

[Area504]

lol

[Musicdude]

Does this stuff mean anything......

Certified Hawaii birth certificate copies (with the government seal) can be obtained quickly and easily with VitalChek’s official government authorized service and secure ordering system.
http://www.hawaiibirthcertificate.com/


http://www.vitalchek.com/images/icons/birth_cert_pic.gif
http://www.vitalchek.com/agency_locator.aspx?providerID=11939&eventtype=birth

[Bacio83]

Looks fake. My birth certificate has the state seal imprinted so that it stands out, like it is thicker than the rest of the paper. if that makes sense? And why black out the number??

I call fakery.


eta - maybe it is only my state, but mine has the hospital's name, the registrars name, the number of births already had by the mother, if any, the sex of the baby. That thing looks fake to me.

CT's the same state seal with bump etc etc this looks weird.

[Eddie3dfx]

This strikes me as odd:

Mother's Race: Caucasian
Father's Race: African

Shouldn't it be Caucasian and Black?

According to the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), on birth certificates, the 10 standard, fixed racial categories are:

White, Black, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Hawaiian, Filipino, Other Asian/Pacific Islander, Other Race (Hispanic), and Unknown Race.

Makes sense, Obamas father is African.
He only has one parent who is American and shes white. Obamas father is not African American, he is African.

[hipelayne]

Ii think we should throw this certificate under the bus with his grandmother!

[Brooke]

I think I'm more embarrassed by the fact that his birthday is in the same month as mine.:eek:

If he's elected, we'll have had three LEOs as Presidents in a row.

[martreasures]

did anyone notice it also says laser at the bottom perhaps as in laser printer which was not around in 1961...just wondering

[Morgan]

The distinction between a Long Form (Birth Certificate) and Short Form (Certification of Birth) can be found on Wikipedia:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_certificate

Click the short form on your post and read the comment by the person that made it.

"(This is an image created by myself to illustrate the appearance of a standard U.S. short form birth certificate. No such certificate is issued by the federal government or any agency thereof.)"

[Area504]

Does this stuff mean anything......


http://www.hawaiibirthcertificate.com/


http://www.vitalchek.com/images/icons/birth_cert_pic.gif
http://www.vitalchek.com/agency_locator.aspx?providerID=11939&eventtype=birth

I just googled and found the same site for my own state, Louisiana. It says the exact same thing, so I don't think it's especially relevant to Hawaii.

did anyone notice it also says laser at the bottom perhaps as in laser printer which was not around in 1961...just wondering

I'm not sure that's important. A new copy of it could have been printed yesterday, but would still have to bear the state seal for it to be valid. There's no signature or anything ... he must think we're as dumb as his own supporters.

Click the short form on your post and read the comment by the person that made it.

"(This is an image created by myself to illustrate the appearance of a standard U.S. short form birth certificate. No such certificate is issued by the federal government or any agency thereof.)"

Wow, I didn't notice that...didn't click the image. Good find!

[POdVet]

The short form or long form doesn't matter. What is relevant though is the lack of a notary or registrars seal and signature which are required on official copies to make them legal. Also, if you take a look at this "document" in an image viewing program with zoom, you can clearly see jpeg artifacts around all text and the state seal. Official state documents are not photoshopped. That is the reason there is no official seal of any kind, if they had forged that, they would be open to criminal forgery charges.

Those you see following the Obamessiah are not Democrats, though the species may try to look similar. They are in fact nothing but JACKASSES!
P.U.M.A.

[RAFREE]

Personally I don't care if the certificate is real or not. I just think it's hilarious that he started a rumor debunking website. Let's keep making him post things to prove he's real and not a hologram.

What should we demand next? I know! Lets make him show proof that he and misshelle are actually married!

Oh! Better yet! Lets make him prove that he and michelle have a voting record!

I don't believe that his America hating wife has ever voted in an election before her husband ran for Senate.

I know!! I thought well, I'm just going around to all the right wing sites I can and telling them a bunch of bad things about Obama. He can only put out so many fires at once!!

We should pull what HIS minions did to Hillary! Make enough people actually think it and they too will join in on the bashing of B.O. pay back is well....you know.

[Musicdude]

did anyone notice it also says laser at the bottom perhaps as in laser printer which was not around in 1961...just wondering

Yes, I noticed that too. Plus the font is not 1961, it's modern. The certificate is computer print out. With No Seal. We'll probably have to call Hawaii and ask them if a state-issued copy of a birth certificate is supposed to have a special seal and/or a stamp that actually says "certified copy of original document" along with the signature of the state employee certifying that it's a copy.

[martreasures]

I just donated $25.00 to put us over....yeeehaaaa

[Charlie Brown]

I know!! I thought well, I'm just going around to all the right wing sites I can and telling them a bunch of bad things about Obama. He can only put out so many fires at once!!

We should pull what HIS minions did to Hillary! Make enough people actually think it and they too will join in on the bashing of B.O. pay back is well....you know.

LMAO.....

[Morgan]

Wow, I didn't notice that...didn't click the image. Good find!


I think a Obot saw the short form and Photo shopped one for BO. He probably didn't read the comments. HA HA!

Now way it's real, you can see where he overlapped the corner design.

[Musicdude]

I AGREE! IT SHOULD HAVE A SEAL ON IT EVEN IF IT'S NOT RAISED... CERTIFYING IT ........ ITS NOT VALID UNLESS CERTIFIED......

True. Here's what the State of Hawaii says..
https://www.ehawaii.gov/doh/vitrec/exe/vitrec.cgi

"Vital records (birth, death, marriage, and divorce certificates) for events that occurred in Hawaii are received and preserved by the Office of Health Status Monitoring, a unit of the Department of Health (DOH). In Hawaii, access to vital records is restricted by statute (HRS §338-18).
Certified copies of these records may be issued to authorized individuals and used for such diverse purposes as school entry, passports, Social Security participation, driver's licenses, employment, sports participation, survivor's benefits, proof of property rights, and other needs.
This is only an ordering system for certified copies of vital records. The certified copies being ordered WILL NOT be issued online as a part of your transaction. You will receive the ordered certified copies via first-class postal mail within 4-6 weeks.
Orders received on this web site WILL NOT be given processing priority over orders placed in-person or by postal mail on the same day. Processing of online orders will not be expedited and will be processed under the DOH's standard procedures.
You may order certified copies only of birth and marriage certificates and only of records dating from July 1909 to the present on this web site. You can also order certified copies of birth and marriage certificates, and must order certified copies of death and divorce certificates and certified copies of records dating before July 1909, through postal mail or in-person (see www.hawaii.gov/doh click on "vital records" for information).
You may order certified copies only of your own birth and marriage certificates or of an immediate family member (e.g., a parent of his/her child's birth or marriage certificate) on this web site. NOTE: This system does exact matches only. Please enter data carefully as typographical errors will result in a failure to match. "

[Musicdude]

I'm going to call Hawaii and make some inquiries of what a certified copy should look like, and what exactly makes it "certified". I have seen certified docs before and they have a seal and signature. have not seen Hawaiian docs though.

If Obama is using a fake certificate, or uncertified certificate, to officially fight a rumor, then that's pretty stupid! Well suited for Obots though because they don't know the difference.

[Gerry2008]

I showed the birth certificate 'document' to my wife who works for the DMV because she regularly has to validate documents. She found it suspicious that the two dates were in mixed case and everything else was in upper case. It doesn't make it 'fake' but it raised the kind of flag that would cause her to seek more information concerning its validation. It baffles me that they would release a document that would cause so many questions to be asked.

[Musicdude]

I hope people are saving pics of that website page in case it disappears altogether in the event that we able to determine that the "certificate" is a fake

[xfiles]

Maybe they can help verify the certificate:

http://peoplefindernow.com/

Also, perhaps a document expert can take a look at the certificate and find out what an authentic Hawaiian birth certificate looks like.

http://www.expertlaw.com/experts/Questioned/Documents.html

[Linda C]

OK spoke to my niece whose youngest daughter was born in Hawaii.

That is all the information they put on Hawaii's birth certificates.

There is no raised seal in the right lower corner which may not come through with scanning.

There is information on the back which includes the date issued and signature.

Thus the bleed through is the date issued and should also have a stamped signature.

My guess it is an official copy of the birth certificate and not the original.


If Obama was born in this country, he is a natural born citizen of this country. I don't know where they got all of the other mumbo jumbo about how is mother had to be in the country for so many years...but none of that is sourced information.

[Mrsawd]

He is fake no matter what and he is hiding lots more we will all see !

JUST HOPE IT IS NOT TO LATE TO SAVE USA AND AMERICA!

[Linda C]

He is fake no matter what and he is hiding lots more we will all see !

JUST HOPE IT IS NOT TO LATE TO SAVE USA AND AMERICA!

I agree that he is hiding much more information, but I think it is wasting energy on birth certificates.

I am more concerned with criminal activity and that he has never done anything to help his constituents in Chicago S. Side while lining his own pockets and those of his friends.

[Qulin]

I ain't buying it the kool-aide freaks may but not me. There should be parent signatures for sure. Also, my paper is old looking its from 1965, so I would think his would be much older looking. This looks made up.

[PhillyGuy1]

OK spoke to my niece whose youngest daughter was born in Hawaii.
That is all the information they put on Hawaii's birth certificates.
There is no raised seal in the right lower corner which may not come through with scanning.
There is information on the back which includes the date issued and signature.
Thus the bleed through is the date issued and should also have a stamped signature.
My guess it is an official copy of the birth certificate and not the original.
If Obama was born in this country, he is a natural born citizen of this country. I don't know where they got all of the other mumbo jumbo about how is mother had to be in the country for so many years...but none of that is sourced information.

It is unfathomable to me why Hawaii would put the registrar's name on the reverse side with his signature. Every example I've seen of other states has it on the front with the date the copy was issued, just like any other legally binding document where you sign it and date it.
Why does the date show through on the back on Obama's but not the registrar's name and signature?


Bob Clark

[LarryMac]

When you blow up the letters, you see a clear indication of fraud where letters have outlines. Were this a true certificate, the edge of the letters would be immediately joined by the background, not given a space all around.

The only other legal explanation is that the graphic was reduced significantly, then blown up again, which leave them open to claims of the above. So they are either fraudulent or stupid. Not sure which makes them look worse.

[PuppyDogMom]

Race is race. Citizenship is citizenship. I would imagine that you can't mix and match.

And, generally any official document must have a seal. Even high school transcripts require a seal to be considered official.

Another item falling into the category of "how dumb do they think we are"?

[Ijane]

I know!! I thought well, I'm just going around to all the right wing sites I can and telling them a bunch of bad things about Obama. He can only put out so many fires at once!!

We should pull what HIS minions did to Hillary! Make enough people actually think it and they too will join in on the bashing of B.O. pay back is well....you know.

Roger that and copy!

In the words of the great Teddy Roosevelt:

The unforgivable crime is soft hitting. Do not hit at all if it can be avoided; but never hit softly.

[Ijane]

I want to see these three rumors answered on his website:

1. Is it true that Mr. Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic, and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side?

2. Is it true that obama's father was officially classified as "Arab African" by the Kenyan government and if so, why is his race listed only as "African" on Barack's birth certificate?

3. If Barack is elected will he become the First Arab-American President?


The obama campaign seems to be watching No Quarter, let's get Larry to start writing articles about these topics to push obama to "debunk" them...lol

[Karen Keefe]

wtih questions. BO is adept at "serial facile lying," to quote one newsblogger, so keep calling him out. He used racism and misogyny as distractions to hide his background and incompetence throughout the primaries. Time to ask him all the hard questions the DNC and media wouldn't to distract him and his cult from stealing our election and our democracy.

Let's work it, people!

[DameLiz]

Are there any members in this forum that were born in Hawaii and is this the official way you received your birth certificate?

[Linda C]

Look I have no clue why there would be a stamp on the back. But my niece claims that what her daughter's certificate has. For the record..she is no fan of Obama's .

This is really a issue over a non-issue. If he was born in this country, he is a natural born citizen.

[Mrsawd]

He is fake no matter what and he is hiding lots more we will all see !

JUST HOPE IT IS NOT TO LATE TO SAVE USA AND AMERICA!



It is not a waste of tim if The backs his mother not being legal whn she had him! for him to be CITIZEN

and if this is the issue then it is well worth the time !
Hawaii Indonesia or Kenyan Some thing about all this is not right !

[PhillyGuy1]

Look I have no clue why there would be a stamp on the back. But my niece claims that what her daughter's certificate has. For the record..she is no fan of Obama's .

This is really a issue over a non-issue. If he was born in this country, he is a natural born citizen.

Alright then let's see what that officials name and signature who signed Obama's certificate.


PhillyGuy1

[Bubbles]

eta - maybe it is only my state, but mine has the hospital's name, the registrars name, the number of births already had by the mother, if any, the sex of the baby. That thing looks fake to me.

Pretty vital information missing there... isn't it?

My original birth certificate also had where my parents were born, how much I weighed/how long, and more vital information... this is just something came off of someone's printer on or after June 2007. My father (who was a school supt in Illinois) looked at this after this was brought to his attention a month ago and said that this amount of information on a "birth certificate" wouldn't even be adequate to register for public schools in Illinois... they need a more extensive one then this.

So if he couldn't even register for school in Illinois... :rolleyes:

[foxyladi]

The same one they posted at dailykos:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert

it still looks fake to me, but this on his offical website.

hahaha..lol.

[Mrsawd]

live birth not birth certificate !