Just Wondering: Are there any Forum Members Contemplating Voting for the Green Party or Nadar?

[ginamc]

This is NOT a trick question. I'm not gathering info for a poll, nor am I doing research, no nothing like that. I'm just curious. I know very little about the aforementioned candidates. OK, I do know some about Nader. Just wondering if there are Forum members contemplating voting for them.

I am a HILLARY Progressive Democrat to the end! Always and Forever. I'm also a Political scientist, a community activist, and a campaign organizer. So, naturally, I'm curious.

Please, please -- NO lectures about McCain. And, PLEASE no lectures about BO. I am a grown woman, and have been voting Democrat for over 20 years, and come from a long line of Democrats. This is the beauty of this Forum. Please be respectful of others' perspectives.

Thanks.

[Patsy]

Not I.

[Catherine]

I can't imagine a circumstance where I'd vote for Nader. Had he not been on the ballot in 2000, GWB wouldn't be President today.

I'd only support a 3rd party candidate if that party had a reasonable chance of succeeding.

[Soaring Eagle]

If not Hillary then MCcain.

[ginamc]

I can't imagine a circumstance where I'd vote for Nader. Had he not been on the ballot in 2000, GWB wouldn't be President today.

I'd only support a 3rd party candidate if that party had a reasonable chance of succeeding.

I feel the same way, but I know that there are many, many people who do not. Actually, I have met Nader once upon a time when I was in college. I attended a private party for him. He is a very interesting, intense, very patriotic guy. But, very intense :)

[Tea toaD]

No not me but my husband had considered it, but not now.

[Charlie Brown]

No....mccain Is My Guy..........

[Oregonian4Hill]

If not Hillary then MCcain.

Same here.

[Area504]

OMG, no.

[nette60]

If not Hillary, then McCain. we have to

[Sandy in PA]

No--just McCain.

I guess I look at it like this - If my goal is to keep obama out of the White House, then a vote for a third party is effectively a vote against McCain, since neither Nader or McKinney has a chance of winning.

Its too bad we haven't had a viable third party candidate since Ross Perot.

[ginamc]

If not Hillary, then McCain. we have to

May I ask, why do you feel that you have to? I also forgot to mention... I am a Tx. Delegate for Hillary, and I'm meeting with Natl. Delegates this upcoming week, just want to talk with them about ALL possibilities. They will have questions, and I want some real answers.

[ny4hrc]

I'l vote for John McCain. Want to make sure BO does not get elected.

Maria
Queens,NY

[RAFREE]

I was going to vote Green Party but, not now. We can't afford to. It was a HARD decision. I do NOT like the republicans on policy issues and I have never, ever supported their agenda. This time though something bigger is at stake. The DNC has been bought, sold and paid for...including the entire process by people like George Soros. The only way to stand up to this hijacking is to defeat them. If we don't they will have a strangle hold on every election for years. This guy Soros has taken over whole small countries and has all the leaders beholden to him. Now he's done this with the DNC. No wonder Moveon kicked us all to the curb when this all started.

I'm going to vote for McCain if Hillary is not the nominee just to stop this debacle. There is NOTHING democratic about it. Last time I checked the republicans were still letting each vote count...they were still Americans and I'm not so sure anymore about the democrats. They are behaving like Stalinists!

[daniperez]

Nope!

It's Hillary or McCain ;)

[jerseygirl7]

If not Hillary then MCcain.


100% AGREE!!! Nader and any others need to bow out gracefully this election. Too much at stake this time. We need to UNITE and make sure BO does not see the inside of the White House unless he is taking his family on a tour!!!!

NO BO
_________________________________________

"Thank you Senator Clinton, we will take it from here!""

[hillary4change]

Hillary or McCain NO exceptions!

[wildheart4mcpalin]

I was going to vote Green Party but, not now. We can't afford to. It was a HARD decision. I do NOT like the republicans on policy issues and I have never, ever supported their agenda. This time though something bigger is at stake. The DNC has been bought, sold and paid for...including the entire process by people like George Soros. The only way to stand up to this hijacking is to defeat them. If we don't they will have a strangle hold on every election for years. This guy Soros has taken over whole small countries and has all the leaders beholden to him. Now he's done this with the DNC. No wonder Moveon kicked us all to the curb when this all started.

I'm going to vote for McCain if Hillary is not the nominee just to stop this debacle. There is NOTHING democratic about it. Last time I checked the republicans were still letting each vote count...they were still Americans and I'm not so sure anymore about the democrats. They are behaving like Stalinists!

Ya- I agree- I voted for Nader once before- as I am a Libertarian I have no party loyalty to begin with.....and I was going to write Hillary's name in until the fiasco with FL and MI and right now I am leaning towards McCain or not voting at all- both of which go against my every fiber. I am waiting until after Denver to make a decision. But NEVER Obummer- not now, not ever!

[shadow]

May I ask, why do you feel that you have to? I also forgot to mention... I am a Tx. Delegate for Hillary, and I'm meeting with Natl. Delegates this upcoming week, just want to talk with them about ALL possibilities. They will have questions, and I want some real answers.

Isn't it clear, even now? I will not vote for Obama. I will vote to save this country. Mccain is a good man. To vote for the others amounts to a help for Obama. My priority is and has always been country over party. Obama has some self serving agenda, is attempting a coup, and I believe he must be stopped. That is why I will vote for John Mccain.

[Kaylin]

not this time around...Hillary is my ideal candidate on the issues, but I'm comfortable with McCain, plus I think the nomination of Obama would create the potential for national security problems that trumps all issues--we simply can't afford to take a chance on a candidate who's shown what's either naivete or complete disingenuousness as to what he really believes and where he really stands.

that said, I have voted third party a number of times at various levels of government including presidential elections. here's how I looked at my third party votes. did I expect my candidates to win? no, of course not. but I still felt my vote was making a statement--with me it was usually that I was disgusted with two major parties in which the left was too far left and the right too far right, with more interest in doing battle with each other than for helping the American people.

and I'm not sorry I cast those votes, because now, this time around, I can see there are a lot of other people who feel the same way I do. I was probably never alone--it's just that more of us are meeting in the center and beginning to talk with one another.

[VotingHillary]

Voting McCain to be positive it counts as a vote against Obama.

[jerseygirl7]

May I ask, why do you feel that you have to? I also forgot to mention... I am a Tx. Delegate for Hillary, and I'm meeting with Natl. Delegates this upcoming week, just want to talk with them about ALL possibilities. They will have questions, and I want some real answers.

If Hillary is NOT the nominee, then we have no choice but to vote McCain. Of course, we would all prefer this to be a non-issue.

But until we see her name in 1st place on the Dem ballot in November, we must vote McCain. The DNC has selected Obama - despite the 18 million voters that spoke for Hillary but were not heard. The DNC can choose their nominee but we the people will choose ours.

D Did
N Not
C Count

[ginamc]

I was going to vote Green Party but, not now. We can't afford to. It was a HARD decision. I do NOT like the republicans on policy issues and I have never, ever supported their agenda. This time though something bigger is at stake. The DNC has been bought, sold and paid for...including the entire process by people like George Soros. The only way to stand up to this hijacking is to defeat them. If we don't they will have a strangle hold on every election for years. This guy Soros has taken over whole small countries and has all the leaders beholden to him. Now he's done this with the DNC. No wonder Moveon kicked us all to the curb when this all started.

I'm going to vote for McCain if Hillary is not the nominee just to stop this debacle. There is NOTHING democratic about it. Last time I checked the republicans were still letting each vote count...they were still Americans and I'm not so sure anymore about the democrats. They are behaving like Stalinists!

The part that I bolded in red -- This is THE part that loyal, life-long Democrats have the most difficulty with. I have spoken to so many about McCain, and that is the common response.

[LarryMac]

If Hillary does not get the nomination, and you normally vote Democrate, I see voting for Nader as a way of voting your conscience and taking one vote away from Obama. While it does not help McCain, it hurts Obama. If you voted for Bush in the past, then it would be a wasted vote. However, a voting one's conscience is a sacred American right nobody should contest. One of the reasons we hate Obamaniacs is because of their rough treatment of anyone not drinking the Koolaid.

[SugnSpicesmom]

Nope, not me. I will not cast my vote for anyone other than McCain (UNLESS Hillary is on the ticket as President - then of course my vote is for her). I just can't do it.

I don't vote Republican in most cases but I have in the past. I don't agree with all of their policies but let me tell you, I'd rather be a bit at odds with them over policy instead of waking up worried every day about what kind of mess Obama would get us in that day. I worry about our country's safety if somehow he gets into office. Honestly, it makes me physically ill to think about it.

I like and respect John McCain. He gave alot for our country, he loves it, he is pretty moderate for a Republican, and I know in my heart that he will do everything he possibly can to set us back on our feet again. He is no Hillary but I'm sure he'll count on her alot to help him.

At heart John McCain is a patriot and I believe he respects Hillary Clinton tremendously. I think he realizes her strengths and weaknesses and the good she has done for this country, despite what other people try to make us all think.

So, I'm voting McCain if it comes down to a choice between him and Obama.

Country first, party second, Obama NEVER!!!!

[PAangelRN]

1st - Hillary
2nd - McCain
NEVER OBAMA

If my only opitions are McCain or Obama, I will vote for McCain. The way I see it, it is giving McCain 2 votes because Obama is losing my vote and the Republican party is gaining a vote! :D

I will do my part to protect my country and keep BO out of the White House!

[Artists4Hillary]

May I ask, why do you feel that you have to? I also forgot to mention... I am a Tx. Delegate for Hillary, and I'm meeting with Natl. Delegates this upcoming week, just want to talk with them about ALL possibilities. They will have questions, and I want some real answers.

I want to keep Obama out of the WH and have Hillary in 2012. This is the way. I'm voting for McCain. Also, I'll feel a lot safer with McCain.

[Roxy in Cali]

McCain is my guy. It's about puting country before party for me. It's all about defeating BO and showing the DNC that I won't go down quietly and accept their selection like a brain dead zombie. By the way are you guys sensing the BObots fear. They are starting to get nervous about us not "falling in line" like they thought we would.

[SadStateOfAffairs]

NOPE. Hillary 1st, McCain 2nd.

[JamieKuuipo]

nope nope, that would give obama the edge, Hillary 1st or Mccain all
the way NO NO NO OBAMA

[evolin]

With the unscrupulous tactics we have already seen from the obama campaign and the DNC, I think it would not be wise to waste our votes in symbolism, but actually put them where it is a direct vote against Obama that actually will count and FOR McCain that will actually count.
We do not know what crooked methods that are planned for the general by the DNC, but we DO know they are unethical and dangerous.
We have seen first hand what they did to Hillary and if she is not the nominee, we know it is dangerous to accidently mess up and get this unknown quantity for our president.
With the conservative Republican base not fully supporting McCain, it might be a fairly close race: so we need to put as many Hillary backers over on his side as possible.
If I would vote for either of the independent candidates, it would take a vote away from McCain that he might need badly to win.
So if Hillary is not the nominee, McCain will get our votes here.

[santafegal]

If Hillary does not get the nomination, and you normally vote Democrat, I see voting for Nader as a way of voting your conscience and taking one vote away from Obama. While it does not help McCain, it hurts Obama. If you voted for Bush in the past, then it would be a wasted vote. However, a voting one's conscience is a sacred American right nobody should contest. One of the reasons we hate Obamaniacs is because of their rough treatment of anyone not drinking the Koolaid.

In response to your question, if Obama is selected as the Democratic nominee in August, I cannot and will not vote for him. That being said, I also can't vote for McCain. I am a life long Democrat and even though I feel like my party has abandoned me, I can't vote Republican.

I feel that voting for a third party candidate or not voting at all are still viable strategies. In 2004, Bush beat Kerry by three million votes or so. Those Democrats who voted for a third party or not at all in 2004 cost Kerry the election. The Republican party is united behind their candidate. They are not going to have any crisis of conscience in the voting booth. They will come out in huge numbers and vote for McCain. On the other hand, I believe the Democratic candidate (if he is Obama) will be doomed to failure because he won't get the votes of those crossing over to McCain, those voting third party and those who will purposely stay home on election day. He will get the watered down vote and LOSE.

GINAMC, Good luck on your meeting with the National Delegates. I hope you can impart our thoughts and feelings to them.

[Charlie Brown]

I was going to vote Green Party but, not now. We can't afford to. It was a HARD decision. I do NOT like the republicans on policy issues and I have never, ever supported their agenda. This time though something bigger is at stake. The DNC has been bought, sold and paid for...including the entire process by people like George Soros. The only way to stand up to this hijacking is to defeat them. If we don't they will have a strangle hold on every election for years. This guy Soros has taken over whole small countries and has all the leaders beholden to him. Now he's done this with the DNC. No wonder Moveon kicked us all to the curb when this all started.

I'm going to vote for McCain if Hillary is not the nominee just to stop this debacle. There is NOTHING democratic about it. Last time I checked the republicans were still letting each vote count...they were still Americans and I'm not so sure anymore about the democrats. They are behaving like Stalinists!

This is a FACT!

[Steve in PA]

I considered it, but I realized I have to vote McCain to stop Obama. Curiously, the more I research McCain and the more he does things like the conference call today, the less regrets I have voting Republican.

[SugnSpicesmom]

I see voting for Nader as a way of voting your conscience and taking one vote away from Obama. While it does not help McCain, it hurts Obama.

Yes, it does hurt McCain. It is a vote he didn't get. If somehow the race is close, that vote McCain didn't get could cost us all. Al Gore lost by what just a little over 500 votes? Tell him those 3rd Party votes didn't hurt him and the Party.

I can't stress enough that if you do NOT want Obama in the White House, if you are worried about what his run as POTUS would cost our country, and you are not voting for him you absolutely MUST vote for McCain. If you do not vote, vote 3rd Party, or write-in Hillary's name you are voting for Obama as sure as if you "pulled the lever" for him.

Personally, I want McCain to win if Hillary is not the Democratic nominee and if he wins I want it to be a landslide!!! PLEASE VOTE McCain if Hillary is not the nominee!

[SBSJR13]

If not Hillary then MCcain.

Exactly..

[Morgan]

With the unscrupulous tactics we have already seen from the obama campaign and the DNC, I think it would not be wise to waste our votes in symbolism, but actually put them where it is a direct vote against Obama that actually will count and FOR McCain that will actually count.
We do not know what crooked methods that are planned for the general by the DNC, but we DO know they are unethical and dangerous.
We have seen first hand what they did to Hillary and if she is not the nominee, we know it is dangerous to accidently mess up and get this unknown quantity for our president.
With the conservative Republican base not fully supporting McCain, it might be a fairly close race: so we need to put as many Hillary backers over on his side as possible.
If I would vote for either of the independent candidates, it would take a vote away from McCain that he might need badly to win.
So if Hillary is not the nominee, McCain will get our votes here.

I agree 100%! Very well said.

[jerseygirl7]

NOPE. Hillary 1st, McCain 2nd.


Agree!



[SSoA: thanks for the laugh. IT gets me every time - JG7]

[Roxy in Cali]

What we need to remember is that this is not like any other election! In my humble opinion, I think we need to support McCain if we don't want Obama running this country to its destruction. This guy has an agenda he cannot wait to carry out. All we have to do is look at how he has taken over the party and how in some of his speeches he has those socialist dictator like moments such as "you cannot continue to drive your SUV, or set your A/C at 72, or eat whatever you want". Also, don't you find it interesting how he has the endorsement of all the extremists and America haters around the world who can not wait to seat down to break bread with him? There's no doubt in my mind that voting for McCain (if Hillary is not the Dem. Nominee of course) is the only way to make sure this man doesn't see the inside of the White House unless he's on a tour there! McCain's patriotism is not something I have to worry about.

[MaryKay]

Was, but I think McCain answered my questions enough today for me to give him my vote. He said he'd open up a discussion on Roe V. Wade, which is really the best we can expect, and he's willing to look at environmental issues while deciding on drilling and he doesn't believe in torture.

Life is all about compromise, folks, and this is what makes our country what it is. I think he's more open to "talking" than our liberal Obama.

[Molly]

NO!

[lorieaselin]

I'm in red state Georgia, so my options (other than NO BO) are wide open. I do like Nader's universal health care. We'll wait and see how McCain is doing closer to the election and make the choice then.

[Alex01]

I like the way Sharkeye put it:

Country first, party second, Obama NEVER!!!!

Here's the formula I'll follow:

Plan A: Hillary
Plan B: McCain (this from a former yellow dog Democrat - former as of Obama)
Plan C: See Plan A

I feel that, as a patriotic American, I can't vote for a guy that thought it was perfectly fine to attend an anti-American church for 20 years, and take its pastor as his "moral compass." And whose wife was never proud of America as an adult until her idiot husband was running for prez. What a couple of cretins.

[LarryMac]

I realize that some of us are still angry at Nader for costing the election in 2000, but if Hillary does not get the nomination, and I am betting a lot of hard work she will, a solid Democrat voting for Nader is a vote Obama does not get and allows that person to vote their conscience.

[LetsHelpAmerica]

If not Hillary, only a McCain vote will do the most to prevent
the Obomination from taking office!

[Mark Lambert]

Although my anger over the way HRC was treated has led me to say on occasion that I would vote for McCain, when push comes to shove I will probably go for Nader. Sooner or later the stranglehold the two parties hold over America needs to be broken. Corporate greed calls the shots in Washington. I think Hillary was the only candidate among the two major parties tough enough to square off against the corporate interests. If it can't be Hillary, then it is probably time to let a third party make a run at it.

[monirod]

I'm still conflicted -- I will NEVER vote for BO, let's get that out there right now. Not even if Bill Clinton himself, came to SA, to my house, and asked me to on bended knee. BO and his whole organization, from top to bottom, smell too much like the rise of Hitler for my taste. That said, I just don't know if I can push the button for McCain, and, yet, like many of you on the HCF, I'm still really pissed at Nader for 2000. Right now, I'm fighting with all of you and praying for a miracle so that Hillary is our nominee. Maybe my brain just won't let me focus on any other possibility until that is resolved. But, I totally get you guys who are choosing McCain due to fears of what would happen if Thug BO gets in there, I'm scared, too. I'll have to check how the polls are running closer to November to see what I'll do to make my statement to the DNC (or is that the BONC, now?).

I know that we all have to do what we can to make sure BO never steps foot into the WH -- hell, I don't think I even want him to take the tour!!

[greenleaf]

I agree with "if not Hillary then McCain" but not everyone is ready for that yet. They'll continue to think about it. After the theft In 2000, I took a personal oath never to vote for any Republican, but I'm now prepared to break it. I never foresaw that the DNC could be more manipulative than the RNC.

[ginamc]

Although my anger over the way HRC was treated has led me to say on occasion that I would vote for McCain, when push comes to shove I will probably go for Nader. Sooner or later the stranglehold the two parties hold over America needs to be broken. Corporate greed calls the shots in Washington. I think Hillary was the only candidate among the two major parties tough enough to square off against the corporate interests. If it can't be Hillary, then it is probably time to let a third party make a run at it.


I agree with "if not Hillary then McCain" but not everyone is ready for that yet. They'll continue to think about it. After the theft In 2000, I took a personal oath never to vote for any Republican, but I'm now prepared to break it. I never foresaw that the DNC could be more manipulative than the RNC.

Sad but true. The Dem Party has TOTALLY lost perspective of the people that it represents. I'm so DISGUSTED with them! Something needs to give here. I wish Hillary would run as an Independent, but I know she loves the Party that is now been hijacked by BO.

[Dendy]

Hillary or McCain here :)

[jerseygirl7]

I realize that some of us are still angry at Nader for costing the election in 2000, but if Hillary does not get the nomination, and I am betting a lot of hard work she will, a solid Democrat voting for Nader is a vote Obama does not get and allows that person to vote their conscience.


Larry: First, I sure hope Hillary can do this! Wouldn't that be wonderful. Would give anything to see the looks on the backstabbers!

But if not, any vote that does not go against BO is a vote for him. A solid Democrat vote for Nader will mean nothing if it takes away a vote for McCain. Lets not repeat history this year. Your conscience will be better served by not helping BO. Maybe Nader will have the decency to step aside - though that is probably wishful thinking.


No Bo - You can "KEEP the CHANGE"!

[ginamc]

I'm still conflicted -- I will NEVER vote for BO, let's get that out there right now. Not even if Bill Clinton himself, came to SA, to my house, and asked me to on bended knee. BO and his whole organization, from top to bottom, smell too much like the rise of Hitler for my taste. That said, I just don't know if I can push the button for McCain, and, yet, like many of you on the HCF, I'm still really pissed at Nader for 2000. Right now, I'm fighting with all of you and praying for a miracle so that Hillary is our nominee. Maybe my brain just won't let me focus on any other possibility until that is resolved. But, I totally get you guys who are choosing McCain due to fears of what would happen if Thug BO gets in there, I'm scared, too. I'll have to check how the polls are running closer to November to see what I'll do to make my statement to the DNC (or is that the BONC, now?).

I know that we all have to do what we can to make sure BO never steps foot into the WH -- hell, I don't think I even want him to take the tour!!

Well, monirod, I would maybe consider if Bill Clinton asked me on bended knee! Seriously, though, I pray to God that Bill does NOT lift one finger for BO! What I have heard recently is this:
Hillary for VP with the added enticement of Hillary's Health Care Plan for ALL Americans.
Ugh, the entire thing is sickening.

[Les33]

If not Hillary, I won't vote. I understand everyone's argument about voting for McCain, but I won't do it. I'm LGBT. I won't vote against my community.

[jerseygirl7]

If not Hillary, I won't vote. I understand everyone's argument about voting for McCain, but I won't do it. I'm LGBT. I won't vote against my community.


I don't know but what is BOs standing in the LGBT community??? The devil you know may be better than the one you don't!

[Morgan]

If not Hillary, I won't vote. I understand everyone's argument about voting for McCain, but I won't do it. I'm LGBT. I won't vote against my community.


McCain said gay marriage should be a states right, I'm ok with that. He won't pass any federal legislation against it.

Gay marriage starts next week in California.

[MaryKay]

May I ask, why do you feel that you have to? I also forgot to mention... I am a Tx. Delegate for Hillary, and I'm meeting with Natl. Delegates this upcoming week, just want to talk with them about ALL possibilities. They will have questions, and I want some real answers.

Please tell more!

[Laura Cereta]

No, only because I want my vote to be 100% against BO; I see McCain as the best avenue for that.

[Roxy in Cali]

Were you guys aware of the 6 week training camp that the BO is offering for their youth to attend to endoctrinate them on how to carry on with the "movement". It is right there on his web site!.....I don't know about you, but Hitler youth comes to my mind! :eek: I'm not taking THAT lightly!!!!

[diane]

If Hillary is not the Dem Nom, then I plan on voting McCain.

It's not a decision I make lightly. I've never voted republican and it makes me sick to my stomach to even think of pulling a lever to vote for one, but it makes me even sicker to think of that Sharia Law women-hating Obama in the White House. THAT above all else will propel me, alone in the voting booth, remembering all the misogyny directed at Hillary and her supporters and the arrogant smugness of Obama, and I will pull the lever for McCain. My hand will probably be shaking with rage at being forced to make such a choice, but for me, McCain is the lesser of two evils and so I will vote for McCain. A third party vote just won't get the job done.

And I hope, when the time comes and we're alone in that booth that we'll remember all that has happened and it will give us the strengh and courage to save our Country from Obama and pave the way for Hillary in 2012.

[mandyb]

I will never vote for Obama, It scares the hell out of me to think he could be our next president. This man can do no wrong in the eyes of his "followers".
If this sentence "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” were made by Hillary or Mccain can you imagine the backlash, the msm and everyone and their brothers would be allover them.
What is to stop them from doing something to ensure Obama wins the election like they did with Hillary in the Primary? I mean everything they did to her was right out there for the world to see and no one did anything to stop it.
If anything they joined in the "FUN". Obama and his followers are so confident that he will be the next president it just make me wonder if they have something up their sleeves.

[santafegal]

Were you guys aware of the 6 week training camp that the BO is offering for their youth to attend to endoctrinate them on how to carry on with the "movement". It is right there on his web site!.....I don't know about you, but Hitler youth comes to my mind! :eek: I'm not taking THAT lightly!!!!

Yes I have been following that development closely. I went on BO's site today to check out what is happening in NM and also to check out the NM groups on there. He has people on the ground here mobilizing.

[Elijah4Hillary]

As others have said, Obama scares the hell out of me. Not just him, but those around him. For me and my family, it's either Hillary or McCain. I have never before voted for a Republican, but I'll have no problem voting for McCain if Hillary isn't the Dem nominee.

As others have said, I feel too much is at stake this election. I value my country and her people far more than any party affiliation. If we thought Bush has been bad, I honestly believe Obama would be 100 times worse, unimaginably worse.

[jerseygirl7]

Were you guys aware of the 6 week training camp that the BO is offering for their youth to attend to endoctrinate them on how to carry on with the "movement". It is right there on his web site!.....I don't know about you, but Hitler youth comes to my mind! :eek: I'm not taking THAT lightly!!!!


Very scary! Sounds like some infiltration of those of those camps is needed - hidden cameras, etc. Is this the same "movement" that gave training in illegal voting activity at the caucuses, making absentee ballots, etc.?? Next phase=General Election fraud 101. I hope there are people who can work polling stations to keep an eye out for this activity.

[santafegal]

Very scary! Sounds like some infiltration of those of those camps is needed - hidden cameras, etc. Is this the same "movement" that gave training in illegal voting activity at the caucuses, making absentee ballots, etc.?? Next phase=General Election fraud 101. I hope there are people who can work polling stations to keep an eye out for this activity.

Precisely the reason that I am a poll worker and I am ready to man my precinct on November 4th. I won't stand for any funny business at my polling place whatsoever.

[DeLana]

I don't see how anyone could after Nader's role in getting Bush "elected" (i.e., selected) in 2000. Those 94,000 Nader votes made all the difference in Fla, no one would have had to worry about hanging chads (or the Supreme Court's interference) if Nader had listened when he was asked to remove his name from the ballot.

I used to respect the man for his accomplishments, but that went out the window 8 years ago :(

DeLana

[ALL4HILLARY]

Not I.

I would consider it if they had a different candidate but Nader is just for a joke. And anyway the only way not to get Obama in WH is for Mccain to win electorate votes and he will do it with our votes. I am one of Hillary's NY votes that is already quaranteed for Mccain.

[Sylvia]

Nope, that would be throwing out my vote.

[ZY123]

I would consider it if they had a different candidate but Nader is just for a joke.

Agreed. I would 100% vote for a viable third party candidate. This guy is running on an expired platform.

It would be nice if Perot were much younger or we had a Bloomberg in there but alas not this time...so my choices seem to be McCain or Obama (and that's a no brainer). And I thought the choice couldn't get worse than Kerry or Bush.

[hillarymyhero]

As a responsible American citizen I believe it is my duty to cast my vote for the most competent person. My first choice Hillary and second is McCain.

I can not imagine myself voting for every Tom, Dick and Harry like Obama and Nadar.......:D

[Annie]

This is NOT a trick question. I'm not gathering info for a poll, nor am I doing research, no nothing like that. I'm just curious. I know very little about the aforementioned candidates. OK, I do know some about Nader. Just wondering if there are Forum members contemplating voting for them.

I am a HILLARY Progressive Democrat to the end! Always and Forever. I'm also a Political scientist, a community activist, and a campaign organizer. So, naturally, I'm curious.

Please, please -- NO lectures about McCain. And, PLEASE no lectures about BO. I am a grown woman, and have been voting Democrat for over 20 years, and come from a long line of Democrats. This is the beauty of this Forum. Please be respectful of others' perspectives.

Thanks.


I think I would go Green rather than Nadar who is anti Israel and anyway I love the color and the reasoning behind the Green Party. However as neither have a chance in 'you know what' and if not Hillary - and it is looking less and less likely - for me it will have to be MCCAIN.

The fight has to happen regarding Hillary being on the Ballot representing 18 million, plus those who wanted their vote for Obama back - at the convention. If that doesnt happen, it won't matter, she will never get the Presidency.

Dean and Obama have to be stopped from making this an Orwellian America in 2009

[Annie]

Originally Posted by Roxy in Cali
Were you guys aware of the 6 week training camp that the BO is offering for their youth to attend to endoctrinate them on how to carry on with the "movement". It is right there on his web site!.....I don't know about you, but Hitler youth comes to my mind! I'm not taking THAT lightly!!!!
Yes I have been following that development closely. I went on BO's site today to check out what is happening in NM and also to check out the NM groups on there. He has people on the ground here mobilizing.

Excuse me but if that is truly the case then the FBI have to be notified. No excuses.

It is the way Adolf Hitler's movement began with Hitler Youth, then in brown shirts and continued with violence and threats and spying on their neighbors and family members for the Natzis.

Also think George Orwell's book "1984 ". Everybody here should get it out of the library and read it, if they haven't already.

[Alex01]

I'll have to check how the polls are running closer to November to see what I'll do to make my statement to the DNC (or is that the BONC, now?).

I guess that would make Coward Dean and Donna Brazile "BONC-ers"!;)

[NYVIN4HILL08]

nope, mccain should be the only choice this election (unless of course hillary is nominated), sit on hands, write-ins, vote for third party canddiates who willl lose anyway willl only help obbammer, by denying another vote to mccain.
we need to make sure the lying antiamerican obbammer is not elected, we need to give mccain every vote he can get, its a matter of america first, party second and making a statement third, the best statement we can make to the dnc, media sexists, pundits, dean and all the others is to get mccain elected with a huge victory and all our votes.

[RayinAR]

If not Hillary then MCcain.

Same here. If not Hillary then it will be McCain.

[CQ4Hillary]

If Hillary does not get the nomination, and you normally vote Democrate, I see voting for Nader as a way of voting your conscience and taking one vote away from Obama. While it does not help McCain, it hurts Obama. If you voted for Bush in the past, then it would be a wasted vote. However, a voting one's conscience is a sacred American right nobody should contest. One of the reasons we hate Obamaniacs is because of their rough treatment of anyone not drinking the Koolaid.

Agreed! If Hillary is not on the ballot I will be voting 3rd party, no question about it, I will NOT vote Obama, ever, I cannot vote Republican either though as it ges against pretty much all my values.

McCain is a good man, for a republican, but I have to vote my concience.

[SugnSpicesmom]

McCain is a good man, for a republican, but I have to vote my concience.

I respect people for their opinions - I really do. But, I think the larger question you have to ask yourself is, "Can I live with my vote if my voting 3rd Party results in Obama taking office as President?" If the answer is "yes" then ok. But, if the answer is "no, I don't want Obama as President under any circumstances" then you have to set your conscience aside and vote McCain. Because a 3rd Party vote is as good as a vote for Obama. Voting for McCain would be a double whammy to Obama - he doesn't get the vote and McCain does. It's like voting against Obama twice. If you vote 3rd Party and the race is close between Obama and McCain (right now in the polls there's about 3 points separating them - if you can believe in polls), your 3rd Party vote could mean McCain loses. Sooooo....the question that bears asking is, "Can you live with that?" If so, that is fine - this is America and you are entitled to vote for whomever you wish. Something the Obamabots fail to recognize.

[CQ4Hillary]

I realize that some of us are still angry at Nader for costing the election in 2000, but if Hillary does not get the nomination, and I am betting a lot of hard work she will, a solid Democrat voting for Nader is a vote Obama does not get and allows that person to vote their conscience.

YES! At least he has some of the same values and ideas we had in Hillary! Obama has only "me first, me, me , me" values and mcCain, while a good guy for a republican is after all, still a republican and a conservative.

If enough people vote other party is has the same over all effect. If we all vote GOP I fear we are doomed.

We do know republicans were behind the scenes here and influenced the primaries "in-cognito" as it were so they could run against teh loser and get a big win. I know if BO is in it in Nov. McCain will win but I don't have to feel responsible because I won't vote for him either.

If enough angry dems started voting 3rd party it would show the country not only how badly the DNC is being run right now but also that we are ready for politics that are not about keeping the major 2 parties in power but what is best for the country! I think this is truly the only way to get either party to think more along these lines and less about patisanship.

[PuppyDogMom]

Not I.

[samkm]

I realize that some of us are still angry at Nader for costing the election in 2000, but if Hillary does not get the nomination, and I am betting a lot of hard work she will, a solid Democrat voting for Nader is a vote Obama does not get and allows that person to vote their conscience.

The biggest issue now is NObama. For that, we must vote for McCain if Hillary is not the true DNP nominee.

You end up helping Obama if you vote for a third party in a close context. That is the BIGGEST thing you must keep in mind.

Make your vote count twice. Be together folks.

[Les33]

I respect people for their opinions - I really do. But, I think the larger question you have to ask yourself is, "Can I live with my vote if my voting 3rd Party results in Obama taking office as President?" If the answer is "yes" then ok. But, if the answer is "no, I don't want Obama as President under any circumstances" then you have to set your conscience aside and vote McCain. Because a 3rd Party vote is as good as a vote for Obama. Voting for McCain would be a double whammy to Obama - he doesn't get the vote and McCain does. It's like voting against Obama twice. If you vote 3rd Party and the race is close between Obama and McCain (right now in the polls there's about 3 points separating them - if you can believe in polls), your 3rd Party vote could mean McCain loses. Sooooo....the question that bears asking is, "Can you live with that?" If so, that is fine - this is America and you are entitled to vote for whomever you wish. Something the Obamabots fail to recognize.

Speaking for myself, voting my conscience is the only way I can live with my vote. Having respect for that, I believe, means not trying to scare or intimidate or coerce me to do otherwise.

[CQ4Hillary]

I respect people for their opinions - I really do. But, I think the larger question you have to ask yourself is, "Can I live with my vote if my voting 3rd Party results in Obama taking office as President?" If the answer is "yes" then ok. But, if the answer is "no, I don't want Obama as President under any circumstances" then you have to set your conscience aside and vote McCain. Because a 3rd Party vote is as good as a vote for Obama. Voting for McCain would be a double whammy to Obama - he doesn't get the vote and McCain does. It's like voting against Obama twice. If you vote 3rd Party and the race is close between Obama and McCain (right now in the polls there's about 3 points separating them - if you can believe in polls), your 3rd Party vote could mean McCain loses. Sooooo....the question that bears asking is, "Can you live with that?" If so, that is fine - this is America and you are entitled to vote for whomever you wish. Something the Obamabots fail to recognize.

Look, I understand your opinion on this and I respect it but for me I cannot and will not vote for BO OR McCain. I too am pissed at the DNC and want to make it known but i refuse to vote against my principals. Besides, Hillary is NOT done yet guys! ;)

As to those who harbor so much hate for nadar because of 2000 well as much as I wanted to win that election I don't think it's entirely fair to blame it all on nadar either, It was dirty, underhanded tactics that really cost us the election. If not for that the 3rd party votes would not have mattered.

I'm sure I'll get flamed for that opinion and this one as well but I say what I feel so here it goes. The people who were calling for Nadar to drop out and those who hate him because he didn't really are guilty of the same thing BO and his camp did to Hillary. He has every bit as much right to run for office as anyone eles, again folks, JUST LIKE HILLARY DID.

Fact is Nadar does have some good points and not near as many bad points as the GOP. He does want universal health care, our Hillary's pet project, so that endears him to me as well.

Sorry for those who disagree but arguing with me is unlikley to change my mind.

And AGAIN, HILLARY IS NOT DONE YET!:D

[CT-Hilltopper]

The biggest issue now is NObama. For that, we must vote for McCain if Hillary is not the true DNP nominee.

You end up helping Obama if you vote for a third party in a close context. That is the BIGGEST thing you must keep in mind.

Make your vote count twice. Be together folks.


Exactly!

If not Hillary, then McCain.

[Tague]

IMO your vote is very personal. It not only has to be based upon principal, but as we have all learned all too well this year, must contribute to a strategy.

If it appeared it would be a landslide for either McCain or Obama, then I would say a vote for a third party candidate (like Nadar) would not matter, as anybody who chose to do that would have to know it would have zero impact on the end result.

However it does not, at this time, appear that a landslide for either McCain or Obama is the case (much to the dismay of Dean and Pelosi). Looks like this election will be very close, and for me, if Hillary is not a choice, because I am fed up as being treated as inconsequential, I am casting my so it counts. Thus, for me, that means for McCain.

Why? Because I think it pretty clear this cycle that a vote for a third party candidate will equate to an unintentional vote for Obama. My personal belief is that Obama has such serious character and experience issues that my strategy is now 1) to keep BO from being elected POTUS, but to control what goes on by also 2) voting down ticket for all nobama Dems 3)or by voting for a challenging Dem when the race for a seat has a Rep incumbent.

[endodoc79]

My political goals:

1) Elect Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton as POTUS.

2) Keep the inexperienced fraud from thug infested Chicago out of the White House.

I will do whatever I can to achieve those goals. Sometimes that means making compromises. I actually respect and trust Sen. McCain and feel that along with a Democratic Congress the country will be fine. We do not know what further twists and turns this campaign may take, but I find it useful to remember my core goals.

[SugnSpicesmom]

Speaking for myself, voting my conscience is the only way I can live with my vote. Having respect for that, I believe, means not trying to scare or intimidate or coerce me to do otherwise.

Look, I understand your opinion on this and I respect it but for me I cannot and will not vote for BO OR McCain. I too am pissed at the DNC and want to make it known but i refuse to vote against my principals.

Didn't mean to make you feel like I was trying to scare, intimidate, or coerce you to do anything other than what you feel comfortable with. I was simply pointing out what I feel are obvious questions and points. As I said, this is America and you are entitled to vote for whomever you please. If your conscience does not allow you to vote for BO or McCain, then I really do respect that. I'm sorry if you felt like I was not being respectful of your opinion and rights. If we each don't stand up for our principals who will. So please vote for what feels right for YOU!!

The people who were calling for Nadar to drop out and those who hate him because he didn't really are guilty of the same thing BO and his camp did to Hillary. He has every bit as much right to run for office as anyone eles, again folks, JUST LIKE HILLARY DID.

Yep, he does have the right to run for POTUS. No one should be bullied out of the race. However, let's be honest - comparing Nader to Sen. Clinton is like comparing apples and oranges. Nader had NO chance of winning and knew his staying in the race would have devastating consequences on the outcome. As you also said, "Hillary isn't done yet" so no need for her to concede!:D

[Karen Keefe]

Clinton or McCain for me.

[SusanfromPA]

Personally I would never vote for a candidate that had no chance of winning. Particularly in this election where so much is at stake. I want my vote to have as much impact as possible, so I will be voting for McCain unless Hillary ends up in the top spot for the Dems and Obama is nowhere on the ticket.

[samkm]

Let's face it. The winner will be either from Democrats side or Republicans side. This country is NOT ready to elect a third party person (unless Hillary is registered Independent, even then it is doubtful, but I would vote for her if she is registered Independent because there is a mega chance of her being elected and the dem party would be mega split anyway, so it would work on NObama objective).

Clinton or McCain. NObama.

My vote will count = 2.

I will go earliest possible and vote. Then go to the nearest senior centers and offer ride and encourage them to vote for McCain (if not Hillary).
I will make phonecalls for Hillary or McCain.

I want every vote to go NObama in the strongest possible way.

[thebword]

I was going to vote Green Party but, not now. We can't afford to. It was a HARD decision. I do NOT like the republicans on policy issues and I have never, ever supported their agenda. This time though something bigger is at stake. The DNC has been bought, sold and paid for...including the entire process by people like George Soros. The only way to stand up to this hijacking is to defeat them. If we don't they will have a strangle hold on every election for years. This guy Soros has taken over whole small countries and has all the leaders beholden to him. Now he's done this with the DNC. No wonder Moveon kicked us all to the curb when this all started.

I'm going to vote for McCain if Hillary is not the nominee just to stop this debacle. There is NOTHING democratic about it. Last time I checked the republicans were still letting each vote count...they were still Americans and I'm not so sure anymore about the democrats. They are behaving like Stalinists!

Ditto! My vote must be for McCain.

[txpatriot]

Come November, every black church, every black organization, every mosque, every Muslim organization in every town and city across the country will be getting their people to the polls to put him into the White House. They'll even bus 'em in.
Everybody who stays home, votes third party or 'write in' or refuses to cast their vote for McCain will help put Barack Hussein Obama into the White House.

[foxyladi]

nope, mccain should be the only choice this election (unless of course hillary is nominated), sit on hands, write-ins, vote for third party canddiates who willl lose anyway willl only help obbammer, by denying another vote to mccain.
we need to make sure the lying antiamerican obbammer is not elected, we need to give mccain every vote he can get, its a matter of america first, party second and making a statement third, the best statement we can make to the dnc, media sexists, pundits, dean and all the others is to get mccain elected with a huge victory and all our votes.

well said and exactly right
please every one
hillary or mccain
but vote our america depends on it

[Folamix]

The part that I bolded in red -- This is THE part that loyal, life-long Democrats have the most difficulty with. I have spoken to so many about McCain, and that is the common response.

We cannot ignore the fact that there are folks out there who just cannot bring themselves to vote Republican. I believe these folks would stay home rather not vote than vote for a Republican. I would rather they vote for Nader than not vote at all.

[shadow]

People can write in Hillary, vote Barr, or vote Nader, but it is pointless to do so because none of those will win.

Unless Hillary gets the nomination, there are only one of two people who will win - Ob or Mccain.

The other options are not real options. The cold hard fact is, we have two choices, and people must decide which of these two do they want in charge of our country. Ob or Mccain.

[Christines]

Nadar and the Green Party are lost votes!

[Ginger4Hillary]

A. Hillary
B. McCain
C. See A

[hillbilly4me]

People can write in Hillary, vote Barr, or vote Nader, but it is pointless to do so because none of those will win.

Unless Hillary gets the nomination, there are only one of two people who will win - Ob or Mccain.

The other options are not real options. The cold hard fact is, we have two choices, and people must decide which of these two do they want in charge of our country. Ob or Mccain.


YOu have to check your state to see ifyour state is a write in.Some states are no.I change my vote card to unifilliated~ I can now vote for Hillary or McCain Hillary for me~ nut if the democratic party ;eaders screw Hillary from the ballot as Obama did to all the people running for senate he did this to them.But there are riles here On the ballot doen't mean a thing ~ Read this it's inportant that you pass this around to the people ` DON'T LET THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRICK US THIS.
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Saturday, July 12, 2008
THE RESPONSE TO OUR FIRST AD AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN " ON THE BALLOT" AND "NAME IN NOMINATION".
First a congratulations to all of those who supported this opening effort and contributed to the running of the ad that ran yesterday in the Chicago Tribune. We've had an extremely enthusiastic response from everyone who has seen it. Contributions continue to come in and many new donors have been motivated by the ad. But as everyone knows we are far from Mission Accomplished. More contributions mean more ads, more pressure and more impact. And the more they see the more they know that not only is our message right but that the resources supporting it wont settle for anything less than what is right.

Which brings us to the most important part of this -- the nomination process in Denver.

There is a crucial difference between Senator Clinton's name being "on the ballot" and having her name being placed in nomination. And the difference is between being a genuine candidate and something that is nothing more than a symbolic sham. Both the DNC and Senator Obama's campaign may be attempting to negotiate a settlement where Senator Clinton's name is on the ballot but not placed in nomination. They may think that is enough to assuage her voters. They may think that voters can be fooled. Our ads are going to make sure they know that no one is going to be fooled.

We're going to let them know Senator Clinton's name on the ballot is not good enough. Her name must be placed in nomination for it to have any meaning so that super delegates have a real choice in deciding the nomination by casting their votes for either candidate. Nothing less is acceptable. And they're going to know it.
Posted by Marc Rubin at 9:29 AM 24 comments Links to this post
Friday, July 11, 2008
The Denver Group's First Ad Hits Chicago
The Denver Group's first ad appears today (July 11, 2008) in the Chicago Tribune. We thought Chicago was the perfect place to start. For those who want to see a hard copy, it appears on page B5 of the Metro Section. But if you click the ad image you should be able to see a larger version online right here.


Posted by Heidi Li Feldman, J.D., Ph.D. at 3:24 AM 74 comments Links to this post
Thursday, July 10, 2008
Thank you to the folks from "Count the Votes Cast"
The good people who organized that effort contact The Denver Group yesterday to say that they had decided to throw their support behind our cause. We are terrifically grateful.

We are still looking for that elusive person who will provide us with a pledge for another major match. If you are flush, and have $1000 or more to offer as a match, please contact us.
Posted by Heidi Li Feldman, J.D., Ph.D. at 8:33 AM 2 comments Links to this post

[hillbilly4me]

A. Hillary
B. McCain
C. See A


Saturday, July 12, 2008
THE RESPONSE TO OUR FIRST AD AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN " ON THE BALLOT" AND "NAME IN NOMINATION".
First a congratulations to all of those who supported this opening effort and contributed to the running of the ad that ran yesterday in the Chicago Tribune. We've had an extremely enthusiastic response from everyone who has seen it. Contributions continue to come in and many new donors have been motivated by the ad. But as everyone knows we are far from Mission Accomplished. More contributions mean more ads, more pressure and more impact. And the more they see the more they know that not only is our message right but that the resources supporting it wont settle for anything less than what is right.

Which brings us to the most important part of this -- the nomination process in Denver.

There is a crucial difference between Senator Clinton's name being "on the ballot" and having her name being placed in nomination. And the difference is between being a genuine candidate and something that is nothing more than a symbolic sham. Both the DNC and Senator Obama's campaign may be attempting to negotiate a settlement where Senator Clinton's name is on the ballot but not placed in nomination. They may think that is enough to assuage her voters. They may think that voters can be fooled. Our ads are going to make sure they know that no one is going to be fooled.

We're going to let them know Senator Clinton's name on the ballot is not good enough. Her name must be placed in nomination for it to have any meaning so that super delegates have a real choice in deciding the nomination by casting their votes for either candidate. Nothing less is acceptable. And they're going to know it.
Posted by Marc Rubin at 9:29 AM 24 comments Links to this post
Friday, July 11, 2008
The Denver Group's First Ad Hits Chicago
The Denver Group's first ad appears today (July 11, 2008) in the Chicago Tribune. We thought Chicago was the perfect place to start. For those who want to see a hard copy, it appears on page B5 of the Metro Section. But if you click the ad image you should be able to see a larger version online right here.


Posted by Heidi Li Feldman, J.D., Ph.D. at 3:24 AM 74 comments Links to this post
Thursday, July 10, 2008
Thank you to the folks from "Count the Votes Cast"
The good people who organized that effort contact The Denver Group yesterday to say that they had decided to throw their support behind our cause. We are terrifically grateful.

We are still looking for that elusive person who will provide us with a pledge for another major match. If you are flush, and have $1000 or more to offer as a match, please contact us.
Posted by Heidi Li Feldman, J.D., Ph.D. at 8:33 AM 2 comments Links to this post


The democratic party as Donna said on ABC "I DON'T THINK THAT WILL HAPPEN" she said before this tha people are calling asking if Hillary was on the ballot~ So bu what Donna Brazile said means Another trick will be heading our way.

[hillbilly4me]

Exactly!

If not Hillary, then McCain.

Waht you have to do now is change your vote cards to unifilliated ~independents they are the same.I diod so I can vote for who I want Hillary or McCain. Go or call your local board of elections and ask for a change of party card.They will send you one~fill it out send it back and proff you have a new one.Don't let noone tell you you can't if so ask for the main office and make a complain.Call Washington~ Here ios something we all need to know.It's inportant that we get this out to everyone here.Or we will be another Alice Palmer in what Obama did to her and made sure he was the only one on the ballot
so pass this around please.
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Saturday, July 12, 2008
THE RESPONSE TO OUR FIRST AD AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN " ON THE BALLOT" AND "NAME IN NOMINATION".
First a congratulations to all of those who supported this opening effort and contributed to the running of the ad that ran yesterday in the Chicago Tribune. We've had an extremely enthusiastic response from everyone who has seen it. Contributions continue to come in and many new donors have been motivated by the ad. But as everyone knows we are far from Mission Accomplished. More contributions mean more ads, more pressure and more impact. And the more they see the more they know that not only is our message right but that the resources supporting it wont settle for anything less than what is right.

Which brings us to the most important part of this -- the nomination process in Denver.

There is a crucial difference between Senator Clinton's name being "on the ballot" and having her name being placed in nomination. And the difference is between being a genuine candidate and something that is nothing more than a symbolic sham. Both the DNC and Senator Obama's campaign may be attempting to negotiate a settlement where Senator Clinton's name is on the ballot but not placed in nomination. They may think that is enough to assuage her voters. They may think that voters can be fooled. Our ads are going to make sure they know that no one is going to be fooled.

We're going to let them know Senator Clinton's name on the ballot is not good enough. Her name must be placed in nomination for it to have any meaning so that super delegates have a real choice in deciding the nomination by casting their votes for either candidate. Nothing less is acceptable. And they're going to know it.
Posted by Marc Rubin at 9:29 AM 24 comments Links to this post
Friday, July 11, 2008
The Denver Group's First Ad Hits Chicago
The Denver Group's first ad appears today (July 11, 2008) in the Chicago Tribune. We thought Chicago was the perfect place to start. For those who want to see a hard copy, it appears on page B5 of the Metro Section. But if you click the ad image you should be able to see a larger version online right here.


Posted by Heidi Li Feldman, J.D., Ph.D. at 3:24 AM 74 comments Links to this post
Thursday, July 10, 2008
Thank you to the folks from "Count the Votes Cast"
The good people who organized that effort contact The Denver Group yesterday to say that they had decided to throw their support behind our cause. We are terrifically grateful.

We are still looking for that elusive person who will provide us with a pledge for another major match. If you are flush, and have $1000 or more to offer as a match, please contact us.
Posted by Heidi Li Feldman, J.D., Ph.D. at 8:33 AM 2 comments Links to this post

http://thedenvergroup.blogspot.com/

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/20/obama%e2%80%99s-birth-certificate-the-problems/

[hillbilly4me]

Speaking for myself, voting my conscience is the only way I can live with my vote. Having respect for that, I believe, means not trying to scare or intimidate or coerce me to do otherwise.
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What we need to know for a ballot and not let the democratic party screw us.
Read this and pass around please.The second link..... The first link is a great cia site Larry he's been with us for a long time ~Or should I say we been with him,He's wonderfull!

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/20/obama%e2%80%99s-birth-certificate-the-problems/

A MUST READ
http://thedenvergroup.blogspot.com/

[shadow]

^^ my point was that a write-in, if the person's state allows it, or votes for Nader or Barr, is not going to accomplish a thing. It may feel good but it still comes down to two choices that will be our president - Ob or Mccain. (unless they wake up and nominate Hillary)

That is the hard choice. Which of those two do people want in control of our country?

[txpatriot]

As much as we wanted Hillary, it just isn't going to happen.

A write in or a vote for a third party nominee will help put Barack Hussein Obama into the White House. We MUST cast our votes for McCain thus AGAINST Obama for the sake of our country.