Help!! Has Our Country Gone Mad??!!

[freethinker]

Just a few months ago all the democrats were not just relieved but thrilled to finally be able to go back to having PEACE and PROSPERITY with an amazing candidate with a lifetime of championing healthcare, the economy, jobs, poverty, education, minorities, children.

Always known as a voice for those who haven't been heard both here and abroad.

What on earth has happened!!!??

Hillary suddenly morphed into the most reprehensible person on the planet??!! I thought that was the republican playbook!

I am actually having trouble sleeping and upset a lot. Not just because "my" candidate might lose. I'm not so shallow as to think of this as some kind of soccer match.

Like so many Hillary supporters, I am devastated by what I see happening because an exceptional person is being unfairly trammeled in some kind of crazy 21st century witch hunt and because I truly long for peace, prosperity and unity!

I am baffled and do not understand how could anyone prefer a candidate who counts as friends the likes of:

Wright (clearly a psychopath who preached with joy over the 9/11 attacks when the entire country was in a state of shock and grief over the murder of thousands of men, women and children),

Ayers (who literally BOMBED our capital, the pentagon and other places and recently said he wished he'd done more),

Rezco who has direct links to Auchi who funded Saddam's bloodthirsty regime!

etc, etc, etc.

So now we have the "Great Uniter" and a monstrous corrupt media tearing Hillary, the party and the country apart and........ blaming Hillary for it. The saddest thing to see is how the AA community and women, long connected and mutually supportive are now being wounded and upset with each other.


What is happening? I ask, has the country gone mad? There has been a sprit of gleeful sadism to the whole thing that frankly scares me. And normally serious people caught up in some kind of crazy feeding frenzy.

Am I the only one who sees this?

[CGP]

I'll tell you what happened. The King of Division (BO) entered stage left. And all hell broke loose - exactly what he wanted. :mad:

[LJSNAustin]

No, you're definitely not the only one who sees this. It gets to me. It gets to me a great deal. I feel hopeless and powerless against the media in particular. All I can do is hope and pray that Hillary and her team can keep going and somehow come through this pile of you-know-what still standing.

[G4Hillary]

I confer. RezkObama needs to step down now or he will be brought down with irreparable damage to his character and long term abilities to get a job. He will soon become OJ Simpson II if he doesn't step down.

[CGP]

I confer. RezkObama needs to step down now or he will be brought down with irreparable damage to his character and long term abilities to get a job. He will soon become OJ Simpson II if he doesn't step down.

Yes, I second the call for him to depart this nomination process immediately.

[Ohio mom]

Yes, I second the call for him to depart this nomination process immediately.

I 3RD, 4TH AND 5TH THAT!!!! HE'S GOT TO GO!!! FOR THE FIRST TIME AS FAR AS POLITICS GO, I FEAR WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS, ESPECIALLY FOR MY CHILDREN. I HONESTLY PICTURE HIM WRINGING HIS HANDS LIKE MR. BURNS DOES ON THE SIMPSONS, AND I CAN HEAR HIS EVIL LAUGH REVERBERATING OFF THE WALLS!!!:eek:

[Fleur]

I feel the same way. I am watching in disbelief as an extraordinary candidate is labeled as "divisive", "dishonest", "will say and do anything to win", "racist", the list goes on and on... It is heartbreaking.

[Tea toaD]

In another thread I likened it to "The Twilight Zone". I guess madness is true also. I stay awake sometimes and wonder how in the world do all the millions of people stay so loyal. I blame Bushco. for most of it. I also believe that Hillary is hated as much if not more than Bush. It really is very sad and unsettling. :( Hillary deserves so much more and deserves a chance to prove herself but she gets shot down at every turn.

[Optixmom]

You are not alone. Since the deformation of our candidate started in earnest by the media and the Obama campaign I have started behaving in a way that I never have before:


I find myself yelling at my radio in my car when AM radio analysts make outlandish and completely false statements about Senator Clinton just to get ratings.
I find myself aiming my strongest finger (you know the tallest one in the center) at Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, and Tim Russert whenever I would browse their shows. I used to love to watch them, but now...they make me sick!
I find my stomach lurching whenever I see an Obama sign in someone's yard or on someone's car bumper.
I am completely obsessed with finding any information on Obama that can back-up that he is a hard and devoted worker for the people. BUT I CANNOT FIND ANYTHING THAT REMOTELY SUPPORT THIS. He let slum lords take advantage of the poor in HIS district. He pushed the "No" button when he told everyone he was voting "Yes". He abstains from voting on critical issues because he claims he wants to prove a point and not because he is a lazy good for nothing!
I am still waiting for an apology from Obama to Clinton for the "claws come out" statement.
I still cannot believe that he didn't apologize for blaring Jay Z's "99 Problems (but a bitch ain't one)" at one of his victory rallies.
I cannot believe that Obama doesn't want to strive to find middle ground for the Michigan and Florida Democrats. If he cannot find a way to welcome them back to the Democratic flock, then we will all reap what he sowed in November when they vote for McCain.


I am hyperventilating again. Why does this have to be so difficult? I just don't understand.

[emmyCA]

OFRAUDMA must go. OFRAUDMA must quit the race now for the good of the party.He chose to be a member of a racist church for 20 years. He gave 25,000 dollars to this church last year. He was married by a thug who screams God Damn America! from the pulpit. His children were baptised by the same thug. Blood is in the water. OFRAUDMA has shown as tunning lack of judgement and he deserves the full wrath of the mislead voters. Super Delegates take note! Right thinking Democrats in districts across America are going to be up in arms. Switch to Clinton now. Thanks to ABC news we now know the truth. OFRAUDMA is a fraud. Not only do we need a Florida Michigan re-VOTE. WE NEED A NATIONAL REVOTE. OFRAUDMA: LEAVE THE RACE NOW.

[EH]

I can only countersign everything stated above!

[joeysky18]

I have been trying to make sense of the whole thing myself.

To borrow the famous line from Denzel Washington.

"Explain to me like I'm a 6 years old child,
This man has a long-term & on-going connection with
1. A convicted homegrown terrorist,
2. A radical preacher,
3. A mafia boss charged with money laundering & fraud,
And you said he's qualified to be POTUS.!""

GIVE-ME-A-BREAK !

[Jayling]

I have been trying to make sense of the whole thing myself.

To borrow the famous line from Denzel Washington.

"Explain to me like I'm a 6 years old child,
This man has a long-term & on-going connection with
1. A convicted homegrown terrorist,
2. A radical preacher,
3. A mafia boss charged with money laundering & fraud,
And you said he's qualified to be POTUS.!""

GIVE-ME-A-BREAK !
It boggles my mind too, Joey! The other thing which is equally outlandish is all the support this young unvetted pup is getting from the elected Democratic officials.

Truly boggling...

[Disfranchised]

It is the result of all the sugar in the koolaid!!! :rolleyes:

[KYWildcatFan]

I too cannot understand what is going on. It boggles my mind as to what is going on. How can others not see what we see? How can they not connect the dots as we have? It's disturbing to say the least.

I also have problems sleeping. And when I do wake it's straight to the computer and onto the web. I search all day trying to figure out what has the cult followers under his spell. I search for positive Hillary news. And I thank all of you who put the links in your posts.

I find nearly every moment of my day thinking about Hillary and how we can win this. I think about how we HAVE to win this nomination.

I keep thinking how are we going to wake up America?

I get so upset when anyone says ANYTHING negative about Hillary. How can anyone discount her for the woman she is? How can anyone doubt her abilities? I just don't get it.

I had made News Years Resolutions......quit smoking and try to loose 10 pounds. Ha that ain't happening. I sit at this computer either smoking like a chimney or snacking on crackers. I can't wait till Hillary comes here in May. At least I will be out and doing things for her here.

You think we are doing bad? How about poor Hillary? She has got to be having worse problems than we are. And what about Bill? This is his wife that people are tearing apart and he can't say what he really feels. Then poor Chelsea. Imagine people talking about your mom the way people have spoken about Hillary.

I worry about their safety with all this talk of riots. I wonder if they will stop there. These people seem so angry I worry what will happen.

I think I have developed insomnia, more ulcers, my blood pressure I know is way up there and I don't think my nerves are to good anymore.

Can we last till November? Yes, Yes we can!

[jgilmore]

I feel the same as the rest of you. so do my friends. We are all sick to death of Obama and pray that he can be unmasked before the end of this primary season.

[BloodDAnna]

I came to the conclusion that these are the same people who elected Bush twice, they are not freethinkers nor do they have an opinion other then what the mass media tells them.

Right now is a good time to take a break from all of the tv and internet and come back Monday and see where the chips have fallen. Either people see the guy for what we all know he is (and is not) or they don't. We can only do what we can do and that is all Hillary would expect from anyone, she's a tough woman and they have yet to stop her.

[PuppyDogMom]

Everything you said, and more. The only consolation for me right now is that I found this site. It's good to know that there are kindred spirits out there and that we can comfort each other while we fight the good fight. Let's just keep on keeping on...:cool:

[YesSheCan]

The media are blinded by a "man's" height, that's why things are scewed. Seriously, hear me out. There was a study a while back on tall men getting automatic privilege. A tall man is the media's main criterion or criteria (tall + man) of excellence. Why do you think Obama conducted his interview with Matt Lauer standing up? Because Lauer is tall but Obama is way taller and it intimidated Lauer. The words "towering over people" to them is equated with "power". That's why things are crazy; judgement is based on superficial qualities, articulate or eloquence (even if it is empty), tallness, and man = The Obamaman.

[xfiles]

We all need to contact media, other bloggers and anyone else who will listen and ask them to ask Barack Obama to step down from the nomination process.

I have already written Howard Dean (link in my signature) and hope all of you will also, requesting he step down.

Super Delegates:

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html

[RachachaSharon]

What I like best about this forum is that it has helped me to realize I am not alone in what I'm thinking and feeling about what is taking place. I have been saying that the Obama you see is not the real Obama. He's a flim-flam man who is "bamboozling" his followers. I have lost all respect for the ones who support him (Kerry, Kennedy, et al.) who should know better.

The hatred toward Hillary is unconscionable and the epitome of dirty Chicago politics. There is no one in American politics today who has done more for the people of this country than Hillary Clinton.

I don't know about the rest of you, but every day I'm praying that the wool pulled over the eyes of Obama's supporters is stripped away and the real Obama exposed for all to loathe.

[Johnf]

I'll tell you what happened. The King of Division (BO) entered stage left. And all hell broke loose - exactly what he wanted. :mad:

You don't know how right you are. Yes, the self procalimed uniter is a divider. The man who claims to want and bring change, has done more to keep things in the past. He's a fake.

[Musicdude]

I came to the conclusion that these are the same people who elected Bush twice, they are not freethinkers nor do they have an opinion other then what the mass media tells them.


I agree. The past 2 elections have proven that roughly 50% of the people can be fooled 100% of the time.

The lack of voter intellect is scarier than the worst candidate, because they can't even distinguish the worst candidate. Mindless lemmings.

Obama's campaign should be over. He is not electable

Acceptance of racial and anti American prejudice by willful association, will be his undoing, its just a matter of when.

[eyedoc333]

Until recently, I never realized that there was so much anger and irrational hatred out there...and this is coming from our own fellow Dems!

[Soaring Eagle]

I blame the media on this whole shocking nightmare which is Barack Obama!!!!!

[mjoynaples]

I agree. The past 2 elections have proven that roughly 50% of the people can be fooled 100% of the time.

The lack of voter intellect is scarier than the worst candidate, because they can't even distinguish the worst candidate. Mindless lemmings.

Obama's campaign should be over. He is not electable

Acceptance of racial and anti American prejudice by willful association, will be his undoing, its just a matter of when.

well said... as sad as this is says too much... I blame the BIASED SEXIST MEDIA, OPRAH, all the confused DEMS that think it would be great to heal all racial divide with a black (not even) president that NO ONE KNOWS really... HOLLYWOOD and MONEY... yep, it is not about the people, issues or for the people and forget the vote... oh, and it is definitely NOT about the chards or voting machines...

[Charlie Brown]

I know..I dont sleep either and I dash for the computer soon as I wake then I stay up at night till I cant hold my eyes open any longer...I am so proud of each and every one of you ladies I can tell you that! You all are working so hard and Hillary is fighting for us (The People) I wrote earlier about my campaigning here in Iowa and I think to those happy days.. Going door to door speaking of Hillary and her Day as President...I was so thrilled to be a part of this election and do things I never thought I would do with no effort really because I believe in Hillary. Speaking of her right now I well up. Why because I love her and I dont talk of her like I use to...Its become about getting BO..Instead of Hillary and our Beautiful America. What will happen if this man is our President??? Im scared and I mean sh*tless. He is Evil and self serving he will do us no good.
Today Hannity said Bill was lieing about Hillary wanting to join the army when she was young but her eye sight was to bad they wouldnt take her. Hannity goes .Yah I bet this is another lie from the Clintons. WHY? Did that make that jerk feel good to say that does he think he's funny??? I have lost all sence of humor when it come's to Hillary. Then How many times do we need to hear about Chelsea and the kid that asked about Monica..Shut UP!
Even if she wins and GOD Please I beg of you let her have this. Will it be a bitter victory. So no your not alone and if you lay in bed with this heavy on your mind, Layne in Iowa is awake too praying.

[Suzan]

It's mass hysteria, in the psychological sense, not emotional. They're hypnotized by whatever they believe this man to be, and it's really frightening. There will be movies made about this. Apocalyptic movies, I'm afraid.

I agree with everything everyone has said. It feels like a tidal wave. I'm not sure it is, though, or that it will take Hillary down. She's damn near indestructible. But it feels that way right now.

[Coach]

So says the Dalai Lama. So says Hillary Clinton. So says Jim Valvano, Bobby Knight, and dozens of great, successful basketball coaches.

I'm trained as an athlete and a coach. You often face this situation when you are behind and the clock is running out. Here are the rules: stay calm. Assess your situation. Take action, and never give up! You can hit a hot streak, your opponent can self destruct, the calls suddenly start going your way. And you can win.

Do you always win? Of course not. But I guarantee you, you vastly increase your chances if you are 100% committed to staying in the game until the final whistle.

Don't get mad. Don't get depressed. Take action! Take charge. This is the best antidote to our anger and frustration. Keep talking to everyone you can. Keep voting on internet polls. Keep blogging, keep emailing, keep writing letters, keep calling talk radio programs. Let them know: We are here. We are mad. We love our candidate, and we are never going away.

Here is my challenge: 1000 people on this blog take responsibility for generating 1000 telephone calls each to Pennsylvania by April 20. In 20 days that's 1 MILLION calls! I have gotten 20 people to make 5 calls per day each, so I'm generating 100 calls a day. If we all do that, this group alone will call 25% of all registered Democrats in Pennsylvania!

Right wing radio is a perfect example of what a small, dedicated group of people can do. No one took it seriously. They were belittled and mocked. They did not quit. They kept calling, and writing, and acting. And bit by bit, call by call, people started to listen. They found an audience. Whatever else you may think of them, they show us the power of unrelenting dedication to a cause.

Obama is trying to take us all out of our game by muscling us off the court. It's up to us to say, "no way!" He is doing the drumbeat of "inevitability". It is up to us to make sure that the people of Pennsylvania know that is BS. That we are here, that we love our candidate, and we are not going away! People respect our passion. People respond to it. Let's make sure they know it!

The country is apparently under the sway of some kind of mass hypnosis. The left -- e.g., Randi Rhoads -- has become a group of brownshirted thugs. So give them the antidote for the kool-aid: the truth. Tons of it. And never give up!

Stay calm, assess, act! Bit by bit, point by point, you get back into the game.

"Adversity makes some men (sic) to break, other men to break records." Let's break some records! And Never Give Up!

[EngCindy]

I delivered yard and rally signs today. I spoke with my 88 and 90 yr.old Gr-aunts.....
they are of sound mind; we discussed politics of my lifetime (47) and they shared how much the world had changed in their lifetime. As I put their yard sign out, I told them to be careful, as some people have tried to intimidate.....they assured me they would be fine. These two, along with my 96 yr.old grandmother, have been my inspiration. I have watched them go through losses, illness and they keep going. Having such strong role models, I now know why we all support the same candidate; it's engrained in us....
We are strong women, going about doing what has to be done.
We recognize and respect one of our comrades; Hillary Clinton.

[SD]

i have repeatedly asked the few ob supporters who are capable of talking to me without going bats**t, these same two questions, and i never get an answer:

1. explain to me how ob is a uniter?

2. explain to me what his experience is.

i still wait for those answers.

i just say "he gives good message" isn't good enough. and they look at me like i am the antichrist.

which makes me ponder,,,not being religious myself, i wonder if obama could actually be the antichrist the christians speak of? :eek:

[JMS825]

i have repeatedly asked the few ob supporters who are capable of talking to me without going bats**t, these same two questions, and i never get an answer:

1. explain to me how ob is a uniter?

2. explain to me what his experience is.

i still wait for those answers.

i just say "he gives good message" isn't good enough. and they look at me like i am the antichrist.

which makes me ponder,,,not being religious myself, i wonder if obama could actually be the antichrist the christians speak of? :eek:


1) Obama united Hillary supporters does that count?

[kyforhillary]

I have to get up at 5 a.m. each morning for work. I am not getting to sleep until 3 a.m. or later. I thought I was going to have a heart attack last night, when that Luntz guy was saying Hillary had nothing to do with the Irish peace talks, when I read what the guy from Ireland said that she actually did. I was late for work today for the first time in 8 years at this job. I had to check out what was going on first after oversleeping. It is a sad time in our history. If somebody as old as stupid as me can find things out there on websites why doesn't the media. Sean Hannity is the best we have at trying to expose him, but of course that is for MCCain, but still better than nothing. Colmes sat right there last night and let the lies flow about Hillary, but stuck up for Mr. Wonderful, trying to recite all his experience, all of his two bills, but named hundreds he sponsered in the Illinois State House. I can't imagine what is going to happen to this great country of ours. I have been so angry, that I too have had feelings come out that I didn't know I was capable of. Well, he sure has done an awesome job of uniting us. I am furious also, because what those media guys are showing is not only contempt for Hillary, but every woman on the face of the earth! So, I guess not only racism is alive and well, but sexism too . HMM sad thought, and all those little women that sit there and tsk and hmm right along with them, don't have a clue that it actually means them too. They owe the ones that came before them, but I guess they don't see it that way.

[SD]

at this stage, unless the truth on ob is made public and he is forced out, i don't want him to quit. i want him done for good. i want him beaten, big, by the remaining states waiting to vote. and if that doesn't happen, i want mccain to bury him. he has to be beaten, and big, so that he crawls back to wherever he came from, never to be heard from again.

[pjperry]

I attribute Obama's fame and glory to the media without a doubt. I fear Hillary will lose, but what I fear most is that the republicans will win over Obama. The media will need to turn their focus against Obama to keep their trash news going; therefore, all the things that we realize about Obama will be used during the General Election. So sad they get away with this. (though I could be wrong, because he is black they seem to be walking on thin ice when it comes to him).

I wonder if Hillary can bring a law suit against MSNBC regarding their sexist reporting? I also wonder if Hollywood would do a movie about how the first viable woman president was covered by the media?

I am so depressed over all this. I don't know what to do in November should Obama be the candidate...I am democrate first, but, Obama scares me. I'd like to write-in Hillary's name during the General Election.

Thanks to the site and thanks for letting me vent.

[je_80]

Is it just me or does it seem that this presidential election cycle have more pundits than ever?? And what is their track record on predictions? Has anyone been keeping score?

Also, what effect do you think their predictions have had on this election process? Are they viewers like us or are they the "gamemakers"?

[marcelmarcel]

Excuse me in advance for my poor paraphrasing skills:
"Prophesies are given to the prophets and to the morons."
Meaning--when you hear a prophecy and you believe in does not come from the mouth of a prophet.....it comes from a moron's mouth.

[CGP]

Freethinker - you post from 2 months back remains true today!

[Sandy in PA]

In the immortal words of Lou Dobbs: "Is this a brokered nomination?"

[joeysky18]

In the immortal words of Lou Dobbs: "Is this a brokered nomination?"

I sent email to Lou and told him he nailed it.

It's one woman fighting against a brokered nomination. It's getter clearer by the day.

[Sandy in PA]

It's one woman fighting against a brokered nomination. It's getter clearer by the day.

I know, Joey. Its a sad world we live in.

[Ohio mom]

Just a few months ago all the democrats were not just relieved but thrilled to finally be able to go back to having PEACE and PROSPERITY with an amazing candidate with a lifetime of championing healthcare, the economy, jobs, poverty, education, minorities, children.

Always known as a voice for those who haven't been heard both here and abroad.

What on earth has happened!!!??

Hillary suddenly morphed into the most reprehensible person on the planet??!! I thought that was the republican playbook!

I am actually having trouble sleeping and upset a lot. Not just because "my" candidate might lose. I'm not so shallow as to think of this as some kind of soccer match.

Like so many Hillary supporters, I am devastated by what I see happening because an exceptional person is being unfairly trammeled in some kind of crazy 21st century witch hunt and because I truly long for peace, prosperity and unity!

I am baffled and do not understand how could anyone prefer a candidate who counts as friends the likes of:

Wright (clearly a psychopath who preached with joy over the 9/11 attacks when the entire country was in a state of shock and grief over the murder of thousands of men, women and children),

Ayers (who literally BOMBED our capital, the pentagon and other places and recently said he wished he'd done more),

Rezco who has direct links to Auchi who funded Saddam's bloodthirsty regime!

etc, etc, etc.

So now we have the "Great Uniter" and a monstrous corrupt media tearing Hillary, the party and the country apart and........ blaming Hillary for it. The saddest thing to see is how the AA community and women, long connected and mutually supportive are now being wounded and upset with each other.


What is happening? I ask, has the country gone mad? There has been a sprit of gleeful sadism to the whole thing that frankly scares me. And normally serious people caught up in some kind of crazy feeding frenzy.

Am I the only one who sees this?

NOpe you are definitely not the only one who sees this...I woke out of a sound sleep this morning at 1am and sat straight up in bed...I haven't been back to sleep yet...I am actually scared for this country!!! My husband tries to tell me that no matter what we need to vote for a democrat this fall...I personally will write in Hillary I cannot stomach the thought of voting for this poor excuse of a human being!! Can't and won't!!!

[mooaks]

I confer. RezkObama needs to step down now or he will be brought down with irreparable damage to his character and long term abilities to get a job. He will soon become OJ Simpson II if he doesn't step down.

Bottom line is you said it all without going into all of what we know. The republican party, I believe, knows even more, but unfortunately they are saving it for perhaps the general election. The 527 attack machines will place him on a cross complete with a crown of thorns and say basically what we have been saying to no avail "DO YOU WANT THIS MAN TO BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNTIED STATES".

Although I still hold out hope that some undeniable hard evidence will surface and bring him down from the cross, the sad part of it will be is that those very same claims made by us have been falling on deaf ears with I suppose a distorted notion that "Oh yeah, that Hillary Clinton campaign will say anything to get her elected"

If we do get her elected, we can do so with pride, if for no other reason than to say that she won the old fashioned way, with common sense, little or no money, but by appealing to a base of Americans that believe in hope, only the hope message had to come from the right person.:D

[Dendy]

You are not alone.
I just woke up from my nightmares last night, just to find out I’m actually living in one.
It’s unbelievable.

[Charlie Brown]

Just a few months ago all the democrats were not just relieved but thrilled to finally be able to go back to having PEACE and PROSPERITY with an amazing candidate with a lifetime of championing healthcare, the economy, jobs, poverty, education, minorities, children.

Always known as a voice for those who haven't been heard both here and abroad.

What on earth has happened!!!??

Hillary suddenly morphed into the most reprehensible person on the planet??!! I thought that was the republican playbook!

I am actually having trouble sleeping and upset a lot. Not just because "my" candidate might lose. I'm not so shallow as to think of this as some kind of soccer match.

Like so many Hillary supporters, I am devastated by what I see happening because an exceptional person is being unfairly trammeled in some kind of crazy 21st century witch hunt and because I truly long for peace, prosperity and unity!

I am baffled and do not understand how could anyone prefer a candidate who counts as friends the likes of:

Wright (clearly a psychopath who preached with joy over the 9/11 attacks when the entire country was in a state of shock and grief over the murder of thousands of men, women and children),

Ayers (who literally BOMBED our capital, the pentagon and other places and recently said he wished he'd done more),

Rezco who has direct links to Auchi who funded Saddam's bloodthirsty regime!

etc, etc, etc.

So now we have the "Great Uniter" and a monstrous corrupt media tearing Hillary, the party and the country apart and........ blaming Hillary for it. The saddest thing to see is how the AA community and women, long connected and mutually supportive are now being wounded and upset with each other.


What is happening? I ask, has the country gone mad? There has been a sprit of gleeful sadism to the whole thing that frankly scares me. And normally serious people caught up in some kind of crazy feeding frenzy.

Am I the only one who sees this?


No you are not and I wish we would start a new forum to address these issues...As I think it disturbs some on here to talk outside of the box.....Evil is trying to manipulate us all.... and quite frankly I dont know what to believe anymore.....

[LJSNAustin]

Freethinker - you post from 2 months back remains true today!

Yes, it does, Murray. With each passing day, it appears that even MORE people (once highly-respected) are losing their minds. I just don't understand what kind of covert operation can get this many people, organizations, and media all on the same page. I don't understand how it is not crystal-clear to people that Hillary is the best candidate in so many ways. BHO is just an amateur next to her.

My stepmom mentioned the anti-christ thing to me this past weekend...I'm off to check into that a bit more.

[Brooke]

My goodnes..here I thought I was the only one not sleeping. I haven't slept well at all either. I'm on the board until 1am then up again at 7am and I'm not working right now so I have time to sleep!

I keep telling myself: "Everything's going to be okay. God would never let somebody like Obama get this far. There's a reason for it all and Hillary will prevail. This is only a test". That helps a bit, but I can't believe it's gotten as far as it has. I also keep trying to convince myself that the Democrats wouldn't seriously throw away another shot at the White House on a year when it should be a given.

However, my realist side steps in and says "You're giving too much credit to the DNC" which is true.

I don't know where you guys all were on 9-11 but I was going to college in DC and right smack in the middle of the mayhem. I saw the Pentagon up close less than 3 weeks later and it was one of the most horrific and sobering sights I've ever seen. Afterwards, the wave of patriotisim that swept over this country was unbelievable. Barack Obama would never have stood a chance if the election was held right after Sept. 11, not with all of his anti American connections. The fact that he is now the frontrunner with time left and the "presumptive" nominee of our party for the Presidency, is not only a disgrace to this country, but a disgrace to the thousands of Americans who lost their lives in NYC, DC and PA on that horrible day. How can this country fight terrorism when we elect Barack Obama? What happens when Bin Laden strikes again (because you know he will) and Obama's at the helm? Just from a national security standpoint, I'm scared to death.

I was born in 1979, towards the end of Jimmy Carter's presidency. I've only lived through one other Democratic president since and now he'll be the last Democratic president we will have had for another 4 years if Obama is the nominee. And of course the irony of it is that, that President's wife is running as well. Maybe this party doesn't WANT the White House back, maybe they're content with being losers, who knows? It looks like there's going to be a huge sweep in the Congress for the party but where it matters, the White House, they won't get it. It's like the New England Patriots this past year. They won 18 straight but the one game it mattered, they lost (to a team from New York no less).

One of my HRC supporter friends last night said "It's a shame because we could have something special and Obama just isn't special" Which is so true. There is no substance behind him, none. But people don't need to vote on substance anymore, or issues. It's image vs substance and image seems to be winning. And that's a dang shame.

This country has survived through Presidents like Truman, Nixon, Carter, Reagan and Bush II and I'm sure we'll survive no matter what. That's because this is America and we're resiliant. However, just because I know we'lll survive doesn't mean I think this country will be better off with Obama than McCain or Hillary.

As an American Jew, I worry about Israel's security and stability second to America's. While I think the US will survive Obama, I don't think Israel will, especially if Benjamin Netanyahu becomes PM. The US and Israeli leadership turned right wing at the same time and neither has turned back and both have suffered for it. But at least we've always had friends of Israel in the White House (well, with the exception of maybe Carter), but with Obama, there won't be and while I'm scared for America's future, I'm deathly afraid for Israel's.

I became a Clinton supporter at 13 years old. That support was tested in 1998 and I CHOSE to remain a Clinton supporter. I was rewarded with Hillary running for President ten years later and I CHOSE to support her. My incredible experience here in PA with her campaign, I felt, was a reward for making that choice and sticking with what's good and right. So now I'm choosing to continue to stand by her and there's still a part of me that believes I'll be rewarded for this as well. We all will be. Keep the faith.

And don't forget: Somebody knows something. I'm sure of it.

Keep fighting. Hillary speaks for us, she fights for us, I have felt that all along that she's in it for ME, and you. And I'm so grateful to have this place I can hang out all day and all night without going near the news.

[mkreyns]

The movie and book already exist. I had to rent the movie out of total curiosity to see if it was similar to this election. I'm glad that I am not the only one who cannot have the computer pried from my hands. My family thiks I'm crazy. I stay up half the night until I am so tired I have to sleep. My therapist thinks I have gone off the deep end about politics and he is so frustrated, he will never vote for another Republican. In the meantime, I see people who just don't care about what is going on. Others are smart enough to try and make plans to get out while they can and if they can. I go back to my thread about the radio station and Webster Tarpley as the host. It seems to be about the "Manchurian Candidate." My only hope is that as I mentioned in the other thread, this was all a plan to cover for Hillary and she will come out the nomiinee. It maybe was to strengthen her as a candidate. I sure hope this is the case!

[marcelmarcel]

Please do not be upset. it is always dark before the rising sun.
Don't you see the tide has turned?
You all helped it happen and now you are exhausted.
The worst is over. Hillary will win big in Kentucky and Puerto Rico. Edwards and the SD's are irrelevant. The only thing the counts is what happens on the ground. The votes of regular people like you and me.
Most people are not political junkies and they do not know exactly how things stand at this moment. They react to the past.
Now is the time to help Hillary win and to start planing how to unite America when she is the nominee.

[Brooke]

Whoops..sorry for my double post..no idea how that happened.

[Soren]

I recall being very upset when Bush won - but it was a different kind of upset. Then, I felt unified with my black friends and my white friends about it. Now, I see hatred and suspicion. I am surprized to learn how sad I feel this time for our country. Not only do I not know what this candidate would do, I feel he would have robbed me. I would take no joy at an Inauguration of him. I would feel Washington DC was off-limits to me. I feel personally saddened that we would not only have let a great, great statesperson slip away, but that we also abused her in the process. I had no idea we were this mean. I knew leading Democrats left something to be desired, but I had no idea so many were so insipid. I long ago pulled the plug on my TV (eight years ago) but I had no idea that had become real dunderheads ... media stars creating news.

I find myself weeping uncontrollably sometimes. Losing this country seems more profound than losing a lover or a husband. When I weep I feel I am weeping for humanity. Am I demonizing him - or is something very awful happening? The only good thing is that I know that when I weep this way it is indeed for the collective unconscious and that it is possible we are very close to beginning our healing process. HIllary would be the beginning of that.

It happens to be HIllary Rodham Clinton is the very one who is there, coming from the extraodinary well of gratitude and immense know-how of a mother-wife-lawyer-diplomat-legislator. She was bred by circumstance to be the one to lead us up from out of where our patriarchal meanderings and hegemony and repression has taken us. I see Iraq as a battle between modern Western patriarchy and ancient Middle eastern patriarchy. The deepest, widest, subtlest, most enduring battle in patriarchy is established on the front lines between man and woman, and there we see it, with all the brutality against women being reflected against Hillary, who is the very person who could begin to bring us peace and prosperity, health and community, love and sharing - by being the champion of American children.

I feel that this is the Neitzchean election: we will see if Neitzche was right about God being dead because if God is alive, God is voting for Hillary and God's vote is the only one that counts. I am not even "religious" and I say that. I am speaking of God as the force that protects humanity, the God we mean and the America we mean when we say God Bless America.

[momoffiveforhillary]

I agree. The past 2 elections have proven that roughly 50% of the people can be fooled 100% of the time.

The lack of voter intellect is scarier than the worst candidate, because they can't even distinguish the worst candidate. Mindless lemmings.

Obama's campaign should be over. He is not electable

Acceptance of racial and anti American prejudice by willful association, will be his undoing, its just a matter of when.

I completely concur with this statement. I'm beginning to feel that an IQ test needs to be issued before one is allowed to vote. Hell, let's raise the voting age while we're at it.
I'm sick to death of being told what to do, how to think, how to feel. Everytime I turn on my tv I hear about how Obama brings in the youth vote and this "youth vote" will someday be in control of our country so let's give them the opportunity to do so now. Well, that's all fine and dandy and they'll get their chance- after they've "lived" a little and wisened up to the ways of the world. When did we become a country that caters to our children on such important issues? I mean come on, I'm right smack dab in the middle of this country's "youth" (w/ 5 kids) and I can tell you that I do not want my future or my children's future to be decided by a group of people that get their news from Comedy Central. I know I sound bitter, but it aggravates the p*ss out of me, when I hear heads of government say I chose to support Obama because my kids like him. What!?! Are you kidding me? My kids like Amy Winehouse too, but does that mean I have to like her? A little independent thinking would be nice! It's almost as if a large majority of parents today have handed their lives over to their kids and said, "Go ahead, take control."

[Brooke]

I completely concur with this statement. I'm beginning to feel that an IQ test needs to be issued before one is allowed to vote. Hell, let's raise the voting age while we're at it.
I'm sick to death of being told what to do, how to think, how to feel. Everytime I turn on my tv I hear about how Obama brings in the youth vote and this "youth vote" will someday be in control of our country so let's give them the opportunity to do so now. Well, that's all fine and dandy and they'll get their chance- after they've "lived" a little and wisened up to the ways of the world. When did we become a country that caters to our children on such important issues? I mean come on, I'm right smack dab in the middle of this country's "youth" (w/ 5 kids) and I can tell you that I do not want my future or my children's future to be decided by a group of people that get their news from Comedy Central. I know I sound bitter, but it aggravates the p*ss out of me, when I hear heads of government say I chose to support Obama because my kids like him. What!?! Are you kidding me? My kids like Amy Winehouse too, but does that mean I have to like her? A little independent thinking would be nice! It's almost as if a large majority of parents today have handed their lives over to their kids and said, "Go ahead, take control."

That's because it's the "cool" thing to do. But what happened to the days when we formed our beliefs becuase of our parents? My parents are the reason I became a Democrat and a Clintonite because they were and then it was for my own reasoning.

I will say that, as misguided as it is, it has been pretty amazing to see the enthusiasim in this election and in politics in general. But it's not only because of BO, Hillary is responsible for that as well.

[NYVIN4HILL08]

The media are blinded by a "man's" height, that's why things are scewed. Seriously, hear me out. There was a study a while back on tall men getting automatic privilege. A tall man is the media's main criterion or criteria (tall + man) of excellence. Why do you think Obama conducted his interview with Matt Lauer standing up? Because Lauer is tall but Obama is way taller and it intimidated Lauer. The words "towering over people" to them is equated with "power". That's why things are crazy; judgement is based on superficial qualities, articulate or eloquence (even if it is empty), tallness, and man = The Obamaman.

your absolutely right, thats why i wrote her campaign to tell them during debates to do something to take away the height advantage, like stand at seperate podiums away from him.

[Got Angelou]

You all are making me feel soooo much better... I have been feeling and responding a bit *crazy* during this primary season... not understanding how we are being manipulated. For me, it has been a very real frustration & joy (at times) with regard to the emotional, ethical, physical, and financial investment.

This website is to be fully credited with making a difference! And I do stay positive. And I do stay vigilant. And I do stay pragmatic.

Below is a letter I sent to the Carville Team this past Monday -- it's long, but what I really like about it are the links, especially the CityEdition write up, Bamboozling the American Electorate, which really paints a chilling strategic picture. In the face of such insidious manipulation, it is remarkable that Hillary is still staying strong and that Americans want her as POTUS.

Cheers,
Got_Angelou


***********************


Dear Mr. Carville,

I wrote you/your office back in late March primarily due to the media bias and confusing pundit spin against Senator Clinton. She’s my gal but wasn’t initially… in the early stages of the primary process, I was open-minded and waited to form my decision. Senator Clinton outpaced Senator Obama in policy ideas, leadership/experience, debates, and character thus winning my solid vote as the candidate to beat. As for Senator Obama, the many problems he faces appear insurmountable and self-created. The problem with Obama is he is selling HOPE which is the opposite of FEAR, the George Bush strategy... both are equally wrong.

After a few days away from the e-campaign trail (ha!), I have been blogging the internet today and have read the three articles below linked through the pro-Hillary forum found at:
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/forumdisplay.php?f=84

These write-ups need to be read in their entirety, since they bring into consideration some very provocative, very disturbing revelations. Why aren’t we vetting this information by forcing the media to cover it or by playing the media game? I’m fully aware of the media ownership/bias avenues, but Hillary needs an aide to push these chilling discussion points on television and radio outlets.

Another issue: if it is true that Obama is planning a victory party for wrapping up the party nomination on May 20 (Oregon vote) because HE says so, then Hillary ought to get out in front of this event!! It may be advisable for Senator Clinton to hold a press conference (much like her opponent often does). Let it leak to the press that Senator Clinton wants to make a BIG announcement but have her really hold a “Hillary path to Democrat victory” speech for the upcoming general election… steal the limelight. She’ll need to publicly get in front of all the talking points her opponent and the pundits will squawk at and beat them at their own game. Tell Obama he ran a good race but not good enough. Address the anti-democratic problems with this primary process. In doing so, she needs to look positively relaxed and presidential and good-mannered... channel the style used when talking to Bill O'Reilly. She needs to dispel the myth that she cannot win because she does not have the delegate count. Both candidates can't win without the SD support, as we know. The “… do the math” (Article 3) gives the clear message that the general election can only be won by Senator Clinton by slicing the numbers a couple of ways. The Clinton Campaign needs to revisit all the math angles and get the numbers right before speaking to them. She shouldn’t pull a Ross Perot communique with charts and such, but she should get in front of the camera and let America know that she has the numbers to win under several different calculations, whereas her opponent only wants to count delegates (which don’t add up to a definitive win), or he wants to count the number of states won – caucus states that disenfranchised voters on the front end and will go solidly “red” in the general election. Use the Bush/Kerry math that suggests Obama defeat. Of course, her opponent doesn’t want to count Florida or Michigan for reasons outlined in Article 1 by The City Edition. Also, someone needs to get on the airwaves and hammer home that Senator Obama DID indeed advertise in Florida (breaking the rules of DNC for which he should be harshly penalized)… this point is conveniently dropped by the media or they are ignorant of the fact. You, James Carville, can go on the airwaves and point dramatically to the red/blue math that can only be done with a poli-map.... you know, play Russert and have fun.

In short, Senator Clinton needs to show Democrats that the race is NOT decided by a declaration from the opponent (and the media) on May 20, but rather by a thoughtful, strategic party approach that means going ALL THE WAY to the convention. Time to be bold, turn the tables, and show the DNC members, superdelegates, political elite, and most importantly, the democratic base that she is the only viable nominee and she is going all the way. Senator Clinton should toss out the challenge right now to Obama that both of them go to the convention and offer a detailed plan on how to win the general election with current statistics and likely worst-case scenarios built in to combat the GOP. If Senator Obama can't meet this challenge, maybe he needs to reflect on a graceful exit and step down to save the party.

Keep up the good work... I continue to love your commentary and will keep watching!


Three incredible reads (if you haven’t done so already)

Article 1: http://http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html

Article 2: http://www.rense.com/general81/obthr.htm

Article 3: www.correntewire.com/hillary_...ee_do_the_math (http://www.correntewire.com/hillary_...ee_do_the_math)


Best regards,
Got_Angelou

[Tea toaD]

Half of this country has gone mad:eek: After the elections are over with we're going to need the Rosetta Stone to try to figure it all out. It's worse than the Egyptian hieroglyphics:( Historians will have many books about this that's for sure:confused:

[LikeH2O]

Everything you said, and more. The only consolation for me right now is that I found this site. It's good to know that there are kindred spirits out there and that we can comfort each other while we fight the good fight. Let's just keep on keeping on...:cool:


Me too.

[RachachaSharon]

What is happening? I ask, has the country gone mad? There has been a sprit of gleeful sadism to the whole thing that frankly scares me. And normally serious people caught up in some kind of crazy feeding frenzy.

Am I the only one who sees this?

I think you have a lot of company. The first inkling I had that something bad was coming our way was when Oprah decided to drown herself in Kool-Aid. I found myself freaking over the stupidity of the people voting for BO. My husband told me I was over the top. I've had trouble sleeping. I will only read negative stuff about BO because I want to find the goods on him. I won't listen to him speak except during the debates when I know he's not in front of a teleprompter. I haven't been to his website or supporter sites. I leave the room when the news comes on. My blood pressure has finally hit the point where I'm on medication. I have also been feeling it in the pit of my stomach for months now. No, you're not the only one who sees it.

[lanney]

Only 1/4 of country had gone mad. Atleast we can vent out on some people, that will keep our blood flow in good order.

[Ijane]

Coach

Never Give up!
So says the Dalai Lama. So says Hillary Clinton. So says Jim Valvano, Bobby Knight, and dozens of great, successful basketball coaches.

I'm trained as an athlete and a coach. You often face this situation when you are behind and the clock is running out. Here are the rules: stay calm. Assess your situation. Take action, and never give up! You can hit a hot streak, your opponent can self destruct, the calls suddenly start going your way. And you can win.

I just loved your post. Thanks!

Just when you think it can't get any worse another bomb drops...and these are true bombs dropping! It's an assault not a primary. It's insanity. It's Alice in Wonderland. I feel like I'm participating in a third world or communist country election. The corruption, the media bias, the brokering isn't even being done in the smoke filled back rooms. It's all out in public! The divisive strategy is shocking! The audacity of the NARAL yesterday to endorse Obama really took the cake for me. 9 board members decided enough was enough and that it was time to lead the women behind one candidate. Someone tell me that this was about a large sum of money from Obama to the NARAL. I don't think I can handle the other possibility which is 9 VERY STUPID WOMEN heading up a women's rights group! Who the hell do they think they are?

What happened to our outspoken feminists? Where are they?!!!

[supra5677]

Please everyone go to Barnes and Nobles.

Buy George Orwells Animal Farm and 1984 it explains everything!!!

[Suzan]

In the immortal words of Lou Dobbs: "Is this a brokered nomination?"
Someone actually said it? Lou said those words? When?????

[Sandy in PA]

I don't think I can handle the other possibility which is 9 VERY STUPID WOMEN heading up a women's rights group! Who the hell do they think they are?

What happened to our outspoken feminists? Where are they?!!!

Ijane--if nothing else, this campaign has shown that women are no longer standing together and that will be our undoing.

[Sandy in PA]

Originally Posted by Sandy in PA
In the immortal words of Lou Dobbs: "Is this a brokered nomination?"

Someone actually said it? Lou said those words? When?????

Suzan--he said it on his show last night. It was met with some strange and very fake responses.

[Suzan]

Coach



I just loved your post. Thanks!

Just when you think it can't get any worse another bomb drops...and these are true bombs dropping! It's an assault not a primary. It's insanity. It's Alice in Wonderland. I feel like I'm participating in a third world or communist country election. The corruption, the media bias, the brokering isn't even being done in the smoke filled back rooms. It's all out in public! The divisive strategy is shocking! The audacity of the NARAL yesterday to endorse Obama really took the cake for me. 9 board members decided enough was enough and that it was time to lead the women behind one candidate. Someone tell me that this was about a large sum of money from Obama to the NARAL. I don't think I can handle the other possibility which is 9 VERY STUPID WOMEN heading up a women's rights group! Who the hell do they think they are?

What happened to our outspoken feminists? Where are they?!!!
Exactly, it's all out in public, which would seem to give it the BIG RUBBER STAMP OF APPROVAL, YES? All the media is saying it so it must be true.

But remember, WE are their reality check. These primaries where voters can pull the lever or check the box and have their say is the media's reality check.

Also remember that we went through this with Bush, the media and the war. They went right along with all of that and then when the war dragged on and public sentiment turned against it, they turned on him like rabid dogs. Not saying he didn't deserve the scrutiny, but where had they buried their investigative instincts for all those years? Why was he given a total pass? It's just the way the media operates these days. They have no ethics, no morals.

I may be more sick about what this says about our media than anything else. They're dangerous.

[Suzan]

You all are making me feel soooo much better... I have been feeling and responding a bit *crazy* during this primary season... not understanding how we are being manipulated. For me, it has been a very real frustration & joy (at times) with regard to the emotional, ethical, physical, and financial investment.

This website is to be fully credited with making a difference! And I do stay positive. And I do stay vigilant. And I do stay pragmatic.

Below is a letter I sent to the Carville Team this past Monday -- it's long, but what I really like about it are the links, especially the CityEdition write up, Bamboozling the American Electorate, which really paints a chilling strategic picture. In the face of such insidious manipulation, it is remarkable that Hillary is still staying strong and that Americans want her as POTUS.

Cheers,
Got_Angelou


***********************


Dear Mr. Carville,

I wrote you/your office back in late March primarily due to the media bias and confusing pundit spin against Senator Clinton. She’s my gal but wasn’t initially… in the early stages of the primary process, I was open-minded and waited to form my decision. Senator Clinton outpaced Senator Obama in policy ideas, leadership/experience, debates, and character thus winning my solid vote as the candidate to beat. As for Senator Obama, the many problems he faces appear insurmountable and self-created. The problem with Obama is he is selling HOPE which is the opposite of FEAR, the George Bush strategy... both are equally wrong.

After a few days away from the e-campaign trail (ha!), I have been blogging the internet today and have read the three articles below linked through the pro-Hillary forum found at:
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/forumdisplay.php?f=84

These write-ups need to be read in their entirety, since they bring into consideration some very provocative, very disturbing revelations. Why aren’t we vetting this information by forcing the media to cover it or by playing the media game? I’m fully aware of the media ownership/bias avenues, but Hillary needs an aide to push these chilling discussion points on television and radio outlets.

Another issue: if it is true that Obama is planning a victory party for wrapping up the party nomination on May 20 (Oregon vote) because HE says so, then Hillary ought to get out in front of this event!! It may be advisable for Senator Clinton to hold a press conference (much like her opponent often does). Let it leak to the press that Senator Clinton wants to make a BIG announcement but have her really hold a “Hillary path to Democrat victory” speech for the upcoming general election… steal the limelight. She’ll need to publicly get in front of all the talking points her opponent and the pundits will squawk at and beat them at their own game. Tell Obama he ran a good race but not good enough. Address the anti-democratic problems with this primary process. In doing so, she needs to look positively relaxed and presidential and good-mannered... channel the style used when talking to Bill O'Reilly. She needs to dispel the myth that she cannot win because she does not have the delegate count. Both candidates can't win without the SD support, as we know. The “… do the math” (Article 3) gives the clear message that the general election can only be won by Senator Clinton by slicing the numbers a couple of ways. The Clinton Campaign needs to revisit all the math angles and get the numbers right before speaking to them. She shouldn’t pull a Ross Perot communique with charts and such, but she should get in front of the camera and let America know that she has the numbers to win under several different calculations, whereas her opponent only wants to count delegates (which don’t add up to a definitive win), or he wants to count the number of states won – caucus states that disenfranchised voters on the front end and will go solidly “red” in the general election. Use the Bush/Kerry math that suggests Obama defeat. Of course, her opponent doesn’t want to count Florida or Michigan for reasons outlined in Article 1 by The City Edition. Also, someone needs to get on the airwaves and hammer home that Senator Obama DID indeed advertise in Florida (breaking the rules of DNC for which he should be harshly penalized)… this point is conveniently dropped by the media or they are ignorant of the fact. You, James Carville, can go on the airwaves and point dramatically to the red/blue math that can only be done with a poli-map.... you know, play Russert and have fun.

In short, Senator Clinton needs to show Democrats that the race is NOT decided by a declaration from the opponent (and the media) on May 20, but rather by a thoughtful, strategic party approach that means going ALL THE WAY to the convention. Time to be bold, turn the tables, and show the DNC members, superdelegates, political elite, and most importantly, the democratic base that she is the only viable nominee and she is going all the way. Senator Clinton should toss out the challenge right now to Obama that both of them go to the convention and offer a detailed plan on how to win the general election with current statistics and likely worst-case scenarios built in to combat the GOP. If Senator Obama can't meet this challenge, maybe he needs to reflect on a graceful exit and step down to save the party.

Keep up the good work... I continue to love your commentary and will keep watching!


Three incredible reads (if you haven’t done so already)

Article 1: http://http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html

Article 2: http://www.rense.com/general81/obthr.htm

Article 3: www.correntewire.com/hillary_...ee_do_the_math (http://www.correntewire.com/hillary_...ee_do_the_math)


Best regards,
Got_Angelou
This is one h*ll of a great letter, Got_Angelou! You've have done yourself and the Forum proud, if I may say so.

Thanks for posting it!

[Suzan]

I feel that this is the Neitzchean election: we will see if Neitzche was right about God being dead because if God is alive, God is voting for Hillary and God's vote is the only one that counts. I am not even "religious" and I say that. I am speaking of God as the force that protects humanity, the God we mean and the America we mean when we say God Bless America.


That sentence is just plain profound.

[justme819]

One thing that always makes me feel better is going to the Fox blogs and joining Conservatives and other Hillary supporters...we join forces to beat up on BO!...it`s actually fun sometimes...and some of the posts are very funny while others are right on...

Half the Dems. and most Repubs. have one thing in common...WE BOTH DISLIKE BO GREATLY...AND SEE HIM FOR THE PHONY HE REALLY IS!

Hate to say it but, along with us, the Conservatives seem like the only other ones who haven`t gone mad and see BO for what he really is...so, i`ve found myself agreeing with them more often than the Dem. pundits/guests who go on these news shows...to defend BO`s associations with terrorists, Wright for over 20 yrs., etc, etc., etc...

especially got a kick out of 1 Repub. strategist on Hannity/Colmes...who said, "Hey! I can`t help it if the Dem. party has a primary system that picks the wrong, weakest candidate!"

I was like, "Yeah!...Finally!...Some truth is spoken...but why does it always have to come out of the mouth of a Repub...what`s wrong with this picture...what happenned to the Dem. Party?!...When did they become sooo blind and stupid?!

To be cont. i guess.

Now i`m going to ask the question...am i the only one who sees it this way?!

[LJSNAustin]

My rabidly Republican brother and sister-in-law are now emailing me w/ anti-BHO stuff! It's the first time we have EVER been able to openly discuss politics!

[Mrsawd]

Yes they are either mad or are becoming altimerz patients EARLY or is it dimenchia ! the organization has gone to hell in a hand basket with this Man having all these changes for the worst for this Country !


Or is it they are becoming Mentally Handicapped ! or have they all been partying beside Obama !

[LarryMac]

Barack Obama's campaign is a religion and he is the messiah. You will never, ever be able to convince the true believers that there is something wrong with their messiah or their religion. When religions are contested, there is war. The true believers will lay down their lives for their lord. You cannot use logic to contest their beliefs as their beliefs are taken on faith. Faith is a strong thing that is very difficult to break. I suspect that if Barack Obama got on a stage in front of mainstream media and shot someone, the entire episode would be dismissed by Chris Mathews, pundits and the Obama bloggers as all smoke a mirrors. Or, Obama would say it was in self-defense, apologize and all would be forgiven.

[Brooke]

My rabidly Republican brother and sister-in-law are now emailing me w/ anti-BHO stuff! It's the first time we have EVER been able to openly discuss politics!

Hahaha..I'm in the same boat. Don't forget who came and helped me campaign here in PA, my McCain Republican friend.:D

[xfiles]

I have convinced at least 3 people (and others may have also but I can only go by the correspondence we've had back and forth privately) on the rules & bylaws committee that the numbers are NOT the numbers, that the numbers can and should change.

SD's can be persuaded to vote for Hillary even if for Obama now because no one is committed in stone until the convention.

These 3 agree the measures taken against FL/MI were draconian and premature. They are seriously figuring out a way to present this and seat all the delegates and count all the votes in MI/FL.

One thing that I think persuaded them is that even if those vote don't officially count now, they are there, they are votes and they are a predictor of the votes in November. They cannot be ignored when deciding who is the best candidate, who can garner the most votes and who stands the greatest chance of winning in November. That uplifts me a little.

At the same time, I have been upset for 8 years having Bush in the WH, especially since all the votes weren't counted.

The DNC is imposing exactly the same thing on us as the republicans did in the Gore/Bush election and it is very disappointing.

Not much of what any candidate does to change policies and laws affects me directly so in a way I'm a bystander/advocate for future generations and what this country would become with Obama as president.

It will become something we don't recognize given enough time.

In the future if a white person wants to run for president, it will be very difficult because race cannot be freely mentioned and discussed rationally as statistics, etc. It will forever be labeled as racism!

It is a doomsday scenario but as I said I have refuge in my age (61) and the fact that I'll be elegible for SS in less than a year, have a retirement income and other assets, I personally don't have to worry.

I think the great hope I felt when Hillary first entered the race was replaced by anger and a feeling of futility when Obama became this false phenomenon.

Now, I am somewhat resigned to things because I feel I've done all that I could.

So has everyone else here and other places.

You can either translate that into disappointment and anger or you can pat yourself on the back knowing you did all you could and the fact that Obamabots aren't listening is going to be their mistake and regret.

We will at least have free and good consciences whatever way it comes out!

That is one good thing to come of all this anyway!

[hipelayne]

You have all said just about everything that I think and feel! I think that if Hillary was losing to a creditable candidate, it would be so much different - I might be a little ticked off, but I'm a big girl, I can handle honest defeat! However, the thought that the republicans have engineered this whole thing and that the supposed democratic leaders have lay down and rolled over to let them has my mind going in ten different directions at once! This whole thing - engineered by Karl Rove and his cronies, all for the sake of not wanting to give up the White House I think might backfire on them! Their only desire was to keep the White House out of the hands of the democrats - well, they certainly have a good chance at doing that. However, I don't think that even they knew what kind of genie was coming out of the bottle! I think they thought it was going to be a cakewalk after Super Tuesday and as soon as the convention was over and BO was officially the nominee they were going to leak all the information to destroy his run and turn the whole country red! I think they underestimated the power of the Kool-aid! To think that people are so tanked up for a man that would possibly destroy the United States - and who knows, maybe the rest of the world - is unreal and unfathomable. Money and power is all that it is about - when will people learn that they can't take the money with them? And when they get to the other side - whether it be heaven or hell - what is their response going to be to the question "How did you live your life on earth?" I fear for my children, I fear for this country, I fear for the world if this man were to ever get into the White House. Way too many terrorist connections, way too much hatred in his and his wife's heads (I was going to say heart, but they don't have one), and way to much love and respect for anything and everything that is anti-United States! I also get a little schizophrenic - I start thinking that maybe this is a good thing, maybe the republicans and the dnc know what they are doing - they are building BO up to draw out all his connections and then BAM! The FBI and CIA jump in, they've got them all locked up, they have rid the world (for the time being) of the evil that is BO and all that goes with him, Hillary is the nominee - she wins - she's President and there is peace and prosperity in the world for eight more years! I'm sorry to ramble, and I appreciate you all more than you know for being here and Murray - you are a wonderful man - if not for you, who the heck knows what woud have happened to us all! Maybe we would have stumbled upon the Kool-aid unwittingly and drank some it! Yikes!:D

[B positive]

I think we all know what we need to do now... make phone calls!

Hillary can win the popular vote and I'm gonna' do my part to make it happen!!!

CALL KY.... LET'S SHOW AMERICA ANOTHER BLOWOUT.

[hillary4change]

There is no doubt that the world has turned upside down. The insanity that is politics is mind boggling!

But my faith in my candidate is so fierce, I know that this is going to happen! It maybe 2012, I don't know. But I do know:

Good always prevails over evil!!

God says so. I believe that he is in control.

We have to continue with positivity! The trolls and lurkers are getting a kick out of this, but it will be a short lived kick.
The hardest thing they will have to overcome is smacking the ground after the Kool-Aide high.
They see their candidate cared not for them...just their vote...and the ability to manipulte them to do all his vicious bidding these many months.
Much like an abused wife, when they wake up, the hangover of the destrucive sleep is unacceptable and change REALLY comes!!
But we will prevail, our candidate is intelligent, and won't invest in a fools game! She knows what she is doing. We just have to work and wait!!

[LJSNAustin]

Murray - you are a wonderful man - if not for you, who the heck knows what woud have happened to us all! Maybe we would have stumbled upon the Kool-aid unwittingly and drank some it! Yikes!:D

I am utterly allergic to Kool-Aid. It would have killed me instantly.

[jcless]

I got an email from John Edwards looking for money : this is my replY:

Dear John,

I sent you several emails in the last couple of months asking you to support Hillary Clinton and I never got a response at all from you. With all the negatives going on in the life of Barack Obama, I can't believe you would be that small to endorse him.
He not only went to a church for 20 years but, sat there and never said a thing as his Pastor degraded our country. He claims not to have realized that a church based on Black Theology, that is bigoted, towards white people, and anti-semitic, what was going on.
There is documentation that he spoke at an Islamic Fund Raiser while he was a Senator , and that he along with his wife befriended Anthony Rezko, and Bill Ayers a domestic terrorist. He has no record in the Illinois Senate according to the Judicial Watch but, we have a statement From Senator Ellis Jones saying he borowed achievements from other statesmen in order to embellish Obama's record to aid in his campaign for the US Senate. He is part of the corrupt Chicago politics and one day very soon you will see this for yourself.
In the meantime,you sold out to the Obama Camp and although this is an honorable cause, I cannot with a good feeling send you a contribution at this time. Perhaps, you should contact the Obama supporters.
By the way, I am one of the poor, uneducated, haaar working white women thaat will continue to support Hillary and if she does not get the nomination because Obama and his camp blocked the count and the revotes for Michigan and Florida, I will be voting for John McCain. I will not be a little sheep and fall in line for the sake of the party. Our country is more important to the democratic party. I'm 65 years old and I am very disappointed in "the party" The only change the democrats and Obama have assured us of is diviseness.

Sincerely,

Jackie Hyman
Waxhaw, NC

[houna]

First thanks to u all, because you assured me that my feelings are normal and I am not the only going crazy. One time I said to a friend I think the whole world is going insane and her reply was may be u are the one who is insane.
Obama is selling something to the party, big corporations who are giving him all that money and I will die to know what that is. I hope it is not us.
Some one mentioned Randi Rodes, I remember months back she practically had an orgasm right on the mic just mentioning Bill Clinton, how could any one with any shred of decency make 180 degree change without any reason and expect to maintain credibility with any one.
I for my self don't accept all those wins he had. Any way to go back and investigate.
I second a law suite against MSM.
I hope Hillary leaves the party it is the Dem party any more. She will see how many people will follow her.

[carmaken]

I wish I didn't have to work and had time to stay online. My brother (who spends a lot of time on the internet) thinks that the "powers that be", not even connected to our country want BO to be President for their own selfish reasons. Some of our threads have alluded to this. These people are world power players who know they can use BO as a puppet president, and that Hillary was the true maverick who could not be used. They are the ones who have flushed his campaign with money, who have paid the media to be enamored with his "Change" message. They have set out to tear her apart, so as to destroy her record and character in the eyes of the American public.

Unfortunately, I don't have time to research this, my brother won't give up his info. But the "idea" makes sense in a jaded way.

[FlaDem]

I echo everyone's sentiment. I come to this Forum for solace and camaraderie of like-minded people in support of Hillary. I don't sleep well at night. I'm very worried about our country's future (and Israel's, too, if BO becomes prez). I fear for us because of the non-thinking drones who mindlessly follow a man whose image is a product of lies and deception. I resent the sexist MSM that has given way too much power to too few people due to their own selfish agenda. I am ashamed of and disappointed by the MSM who refuse to shed light on a candidate whose past and present is so shady. I also resent the power brokers at the DNC and certain congressional members who feel they are entitled to hijack our democratic system for their own egocentric purposes. I feel helpless that a great candidate is being derailed, and a nomination might be ripped out from under her.

All that said, we cannot sit here and lick our wounds. We have all been helping Hillary in whatever way we can, and we will continue to help her until the last primary is over. If she does not get the nomination, which she might not, perhaps a protest at the convention would be in order. We would need to make our voices heard. While our last protest might not have garnered much MSM attention, no doubt a protest at the convention would. Attention was paid to the protests in Chicago in 1968. The MSM would have to pay attention to protests in Denver in 2008.

[Nancy Kallitechnis]

Freethinker, I believe the main reason we are divided is because of an inter-party insurgency. That happens when a candidate challenges the incumbent during the primary season. The incumbent could be either a president, vice-president or party favorite. Hillary Clinton is the incumbent because she was the party favorite. Clinton was the party favorite for many reasons such as that she was the most popular candidate and it was expected she would run for president in 2008, she served the Democratic Party and the people for years and has many achievements, and in an early survey an overwhelming majority of superdelegates backed Clinton.

Obama is an inter-party insurgent because he challenged the incumbent (Clinton). Throughout history, political insurgents have often harmed political parties during election years. During the election of 1980 Democratic insurgent Ted Kennedy ran against incumbent Democratic President Carter and then the opposing party (Republicans) won the general election. In 1912 Republican insurgent Teddy Roosevelt ran against Republican incumbent President William Taft and the opposing party (Democrats) won. In 1968 Democratic insurgent George Wallace ran against Democratic Vice President Hubert Humphrey (representing the incumbent presidency) and the opposing party won (Republicans).

The reason inter-party insurgencies harm a party is because they cause division. In analyzing the 2008 election it's obvious that since there was a powerful Democratic unity before the insurgency the only way the insurgency could become powerful would be to attack the leader of the unified Democrats (Clinton) and seek to break and destroy the Democrat unity. There is no other logical way the Obama campaign could gain power.

However, if a party fights the opposing party with a united front they are more likely to succeed. So the division that the insurgents cause makes it more difficult for their party to achieve its main goal which is the win the election. During my research I have not yet found a single instance of inter-party insurgency in which the party with the insurgent won. I'm still researching though.

[Bless]

The mad people is going to make Obama the Nominee :mad: