(Mar 14, 2008): "Obama - On My Faith & My Church" (Obama responds to Pastor Wright)

[jbohio]

to his Pastor Wright

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.html

[Ohio mom]

to his Pastor Wright

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.html

OH-BLAH-BLAH-BLAH!!!!! TOO LATE!!!! ALREADY KNOW HE'S A RACIST!!!! NOTHING HE CAN SAY NOW THAT CAN UNDO WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE!!!:mad:

[lanney]

What a phony person and response?
Same he did for Rezko, he called it bonehead .

Who can trust this guy?

He should leave race for good.

[CGP]

Don't fall for it.

Time for Obama to drop out NOW.

20 year history. Remember that!

[lakerchick4life]

OMG I can't even contain my laughter..are you serious Barack Obama..are you freakin serious!! NOW you condemn Wright's hateful nasty speech..where the hell were you TWENTY YEARS AGO!! when you walked in and heard the crap coming out of this fool's mouth. He is only coming out and saying this because he knows his nomination is gonna be down the toilet if he doesn't do something..too little too late Obama..are we supposed to believe that he condemns these comments now but for the last 20 years going to his church, getting his children baptized there, getting married there means nothing..HAHA ARE U SERIOUS..OMG..what moron is gonna take what this guys says at face value anymore

[lakerchick4life]

Oh and let's not forget, he didn't issue a statement to the media, he issued it to the Huffington Post of all places..how come not a huge statement released to all members of the press..the Huffington Post :eek::eek::eek:

[Imwithhillary]

:rolleyes: As my Italian Catholic friend in Texas might respond, "OY VEY"!

[jbohio]

This is crazy...
Why respond via the Huffington Post? It looks like Obama does not want to answer all questions about this matter....take the heat.
I'm sorry, but this is BIG. Those videos are horrid and to shy away from talking directly about this makes Obama look weak and it will not stop the controversy.
Hey, I remember Hillary Clinton as first lady doing a full and lengthy news conference, taking every single question. That is what Obama needs to do.
Does Obama shy away from conflict?
(Ha...Ha...to borrow from SNL, Obama needs to "man up")

[Ohio mom]

Oh and let's not forget, he didn't issue a statement to the media, he issued it to the Huffington Post of all places..how come not a huge statement released to all members of the press..the Huffington Post :eek::eek::eek:

I DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE THAT..THANKS FOR POINTING THAT OUT..LAUGHABLE!!!:eek:

[Soaring Eagle]

You know this is more of the same! The bad part is that the media will take Obama at his word and move on. If this was Hillary the media would be digging her grave with beers in hand. Sorry to be so outright i am just tired of all this bull s**t!.

[LetsHelpAmerica]

This is becoming a habit for Nobama! Why, after 20 something years of knowing his minister, does he decide to say something in opposition to him? Only because of the media coverage involving Wright which has brought to light, the racism of his statements and his potential trouble with church statis violations with the IRS. Never seemed to bother him at all before that!

This is pretty much the same with Rezko! He knew Rezko for well over 15 years, was involved in a real estate deal with the man and has been accepting his corrupt money all this time. Only when Rezko was finally arrested did Nobama have anything to say.

Geeze!! Just say NO!!! NO Obama!

[emmyCA]

I just watched another video of this "minister of hate" and as he
sees it. Its not God Bless America. It's God Damn America. If a white preacher changed the word black to white in his sermon, as a columnist suggested, he would be charged with hate crimes. 3 words some this guy up Wright Is Wrong. How in Gods name do they call that a church.

[no_more_bush]

"This message is impressive on Obamma's part, we are witnessing a man of great integrity " - Donna Brazile

As she said this she pulled her shaking clenched fist to her chest with pride...

[tcbwriter]

Again, with the pattern. He surrounds himself with radicals and criminals, takes their money and support and when he's pressured he "denounces" their words.

I imagine if a mafia boss was running for President he'd denounce all his cronies too - right up until he won the White House.

I read all this $#@* about Hillary being a "liar" and "corrupt" and "polarizing", ad naseum, without one iota of evidence to back it up, other than people read it in a book (no matter that it was written by a sworn enemy) or on a blog or came out of the mouth of an Obama campaign member or strong supporter. :eek:

But when we have evidence that at a minimum shows poor judgement (or "bone-headededness") on Obama's part, when we see the types of people he surrounds himself with (Rezko, Wright, et al) we aren't supposed to raise questions. We're just supposed to take him at his WORD (more words) that everything is is on the up and up, that the minister he has been VERY close to for over 20 years never uttered these words while in the presense of Barrack Obama.

Don't worry about it. Trust him. Well deja vu - because I remember a certain son of a President with a shady past that was swept under the rug by the press and we ended up being lied into an illegal war, embroiled in another war in a country where the 6'4" leader and mastermind of 9/11 was allowed to go free, discovered our fellow countrymen have tortured and killed innocent human beings, watched the Congress become more corrupt, saw the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and an economy on the verge of a major recession.

"Trust me" we heard.

NO, not again!!! :mad:

[lakerchick4life]

Can i puke now?

WOW she actually said that..Well I guess I can't really be surprised..a black supporting a black..as far as puking..beat ya to it :)

[tcbwriter]

I DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE THAT..THANKS FOR POINTING THAT OUT..LAUGHABLE!!!:eek:
Exactamundo!

Another "medium" I have refused to visit in month. Huffington Post used to be my home page - until the Hillary bashing started.

[Tea toaD]

This should be interesting. I've been reading on how all of his supporters are so proud of how he is denouncing and rejecting this radical Reverend. They think Oblahma has such class. This will bring him back from the brink. I can't believe it. He gives another speech and they are swooning again. Makes me want to puke:mad:

[Ohio mom]

Exactamundo!

Another "medium" I have refused to visit in month. Huffington Post used to be my home page - until the Hillary bashing started.

DOES ANYONE ELSE FEEL LIKE THEY ARE ON CANDID CAMERA? OR BETTER YET THE TWILIGHT ZONE???? :confused:

[xyndau]

I had to watch Chris Matthews tonight - to see how he was going to skirt Obama's pastor issue. He brought in a black preacher, and the black preacher blasted Obama and Pastor Wright!!! lol Chris looked, well, uncomfortable. The preacher said (paraphrased) that Pastor Wright's comments had no place in the church, and that Obama CANNOT BE GIVEN A PASS on this issue and THAT DEMANDING MORE from Obama than his Huffington Post "Response" was not racial, but warranted. The pastor really cut no slack to Obama or Wright. I'll check latter and see if MSNBC has a transcript of the segment and link it. Was a good segment, and really puts Obama on the spot.

Also, a footnote, Matthews intends to bring up Hillary's 3 a.m. ad again tonight and say is racist because it's like a 911 call , etc.

[Ohio mom]

I had to watch Chris Matthews tonight - to see how he was going to skirt Obama's pastor issue. He brought in a black preacher, and the black preacher blasted Obama and Pastor Wright!!! lol Chris looked, well, uncomfortable. The preacher said (paraphrased) that Pastor Wright's comments had no place in the church, and that Obama CANNOT BE GIVEN A PASS on this issue and THAT DEMANDING MORE from Obama than his Huffington Post "Response" was not racial, but warranted. The pastor really cut no slack to Obama or Wright. I'll check latter and see if MSNBC has a transcript of the segment and link it. Was a good segment, and really puts Obama on the spot.

Also, a footnote, Matthews intends to bring up Hillary's 3 a.m. ad again tonight and say is racist because it's like a 911 call , etc.

WOOHOO TO THAT PREACHER!!!! HE IS A REAL MAN OF THE CLOTH!!!! AND THEY TRIED THAT WITH THE 911 CALL EARLIER THIS WEEK, THEY HAD 2 BLACK PANELISTS ON AND THEY EVEN SAID THERE WAS NO RACIAL TONE WHATSOEVER!!!:eek:

[Area504]

Remember that Rev. Jeremiah Wright is still part of Obama's campaign (it was just mentioned on FoxNews).

If he is not forced to resign, Obama's response is just words.

[jbohio]

Quote from a New York Times article......

"If Barack gets past the primary, he might have to publicly distance himself from me," Mr. Wright said with a shrug. "I said it to Barack personally, and he said yeah, that might have to happen."

Here's the link to the full article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/30/us/politics/30obama.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

[MarkMiller]

God Damn Barack Obama.:mad:

[Jayling]

I hope there's still some investigative reporters out there who can find out if this statement (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.html) from Obama is true or not:

"The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign."

Puh-leaze! Obama NEVER heard any of these hate-mongering sermons? Not in 20 years? That's something that should be looked into. And we're to believe this personal spiritual mentor of his never ever ever spoke disparaging about this country, about the evil white people, about our government whom he refers to as the U.S. of KKK A, when in private counsel?

YouTube - Rev. Jeremiah Wright hate

Ain't gonna wash, pal.

Mr Obama, you need to step down -- now.

[CGP]

Obama's capacity to engage in blatant dishonesty is quite astounding.

[jbohio]

Obama is making TV appearances tonight
Anderson Cooper 360- CNN
Countdown with the Traitor...er....Keith- MSNBC
Hannity- FOX

Guess he has a lot of talkin to do..........................

[lakerchick4life]

Does Obama think that all of our parents are brother and sister..most of this country isnt that retarded. Are we to believe that this preacher NEVER used this kind of crap before until February..so February of this year was the FIRST time this guy said such hateful words..Trinity Church sells all of their speeches..someone should find previous tapes of his..yeah right, he never said these things during the time that Obama attended..Why would he not use the same kind of speech he did in February, because Obama was there..he might hurt his little virgin ears..OBAMA..U ARE A FRAUD AND A LIAR and the only ones that will believe this GARBAGE are the same morons that voted for him

[lanney]

At the end this democratic country, either he himself quit race now or voters show him door. We will know whether people really understand how serious this issue is.

Now where are those black editors who asked Hillary to distant herself or reject Ferraro statement? Are they going to ask same from Obama or they will ignore because they see problem in other side only.

[Imwithhillary]

Until the NYT, WaPo and the major air networks deal with this guy without their rose-tinted glasses, I don't see how most of the American electorate will ever catch on to what a charleton B.O. is. What's happening is unbelievable! It's like a B horror movie.

[no_more_bush]

These shows are so frustrating to watch. How come no one is mentioning this minister is a part of Obamas campaign, as in he has an official tittle with in the campaign. People are already rationalizing this from every possible angle.

How can the red phone ad be considered racist? This is so ******* ridiculous, at this point I just want Hillary win to spite all of these people that are trying there hardest to soil her image.

[CGP]

Obama is making TV appearances tonight
Anderson Cooper 360- CNN
Countdown with the Traitor...er....Keith- MSNBC
Hannity- FOX

Guess he has a lot of talkin to do..........................

A lot of conning to do.

[CGP]

These shows are so frustrating to watch. How come no one is mentioning this minister is a part of Obamas campaign, as in he has an official tittle with in the campaign. People are already rationalizing this from every possible angle.

They are incapable of reporting the truth. Don't be surprised.

[CGP]

WARNING: This video contains explicit language!

YouTube - BrainWasher (About Obama)

WARNING: This video contains explicit language!

[tcbwriter]

In case you haven't seen this - from the website for the Trinity United Church of Christ. Please note that they refer to these talking points as belonging to "Dr. Wright" - see the bottom of the page.

http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

Just in case they decide to take it down . . . here's the text:

About Us

We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.

The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

A congregation committed to ADORATION.
A congregation preaching SALVATION.
A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.

[foreigner4hillary]

The funny thing is...those kool-aid kids keep buying into his words despite the sheer amount of evidence. It's highly unlikely that in TWENTY YEARS, he never once heard such a speech. Especially when the rest of the congregation thinks it's just "speaking the truth".

Further, the fact that it took him so long to distance himself simply proves how insincere and how calculated the move was. He had to know for sure that it was going to affect his popularity before he had a move. I also wonder how long it took his team to convince him that he couldn't just ignore it.

What's up with the MSM too? Seriously, they should have their journalism credentials revoked. News casters my foot. Bunch of propaganda puppets.

I'm beginning to wonder if the conspiracy theorists do have a point. This blatant disregard for the truth is very troubling.

This man is closely associated with a radical Black separatist hatemonger posing as a Christian pastor that supports another radical hatemonger posing as a Muslim cleric. He is also on friendly terms with a man that regrets not bombing enough American buildings!!

Despite his renouncing them, these people clearly continue to support him. Heck! They know he's gotta renounce them but it's all part of their gameplan!

WHAT ARE YOU DRINKING AMERICA!!!

I will not be surprised at all, if he somehow wins this election, vital American secrets will wind up in the hands of terrorists. After all, he's already promised to talk to every rogue state...

[CGP]

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http://surrealist.org/betrayalofthespirit/cult.html



Marcia Rudin's 14 Common Characteristics of a Cult

1. Members swear total allegiance to an all-powerful leader who they believe to be the Messiah.

2. Rational thought is discouraged or forbidden.

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5. The cults manipulate guilt to their advantage.

6. The cult leader makes all the career and life decision of the members.

7. Cults exist only for their own material survival and make false promises to work to improve society.

8. Cult members often work fulltime for the group for little or no pay.

9. Cult members are isolated from the outside world and any reality testing it could provide.

10. Cults are anti-woman, anti-child, and anti-family.

11. Cults are apocalyptic and believe themselves to be the remnant who will survive the soon-approaching end of the world.

12. Many cults follow an "ends justify the means" philosophy.

13. Cults, particularly in regard to their finances, are shrouded in secrecy.

14. There is frequently an aura of or potential for violence around cults.

[tcbwriter]

WATCH IT!

YouTube - BrainWasher (About Obama) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgFPHk3G_uo)
Murray - That's just plain scary! Unnerving.

Do you know anything about the people who put that together? I'm not sure Hillary would want to be associated with this . . .

[smharley for Hillary]

WOW... with these flashy words this joker is going to duck another bullet. the problem is his naive supporters can not look at the core issue. They will simply listen and feel warm and fuzzy all over. NO ONE thinks logically could ever believe that during the past 20 YEARS the great Rev. Wright never ever uttered one single word of hate?? there is no way this man preached goodness and kindness for twenty years and than in one moment spewed all this hate the no one has ever heard from him before. Can you imagine on a Sunday morning Wright is all wound up over something (Rodney King for example) and this guy goes to the pulpit and preaches love and understanding??? I think not...But Obama is going to slide on this too. It is too bad that in 2008 with all the info we have at our fingertips, that America is blindly buying Obama's crap hook, line and sinker. I am so discusted!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CGP]

Murray - That's just plain scary! Unnerving.

Do you know anything about the people who put that together? I'm not sure Hillary would want to be associated with this . . .

She doesn't have to be! :)

No idea who created it...YouTube is a world of its own...Just an indication of the kind of "thinking" which is out there...

Remember, this is an independent forum. It represents no "official" voice.

[foreigner4hillary]

In case you haven't seen this - from the website for the Trinity United Church of Christ. Please note that they refer to these talking points as belonging to "Dr. Wright" - see the bottom of the page.

http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

Just in case they decide to take it down . . . here's the text:

About Us

We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization.


I'm a christian...and...and he isn't a christian. No way. I don't care what theology he subscribes to, but that's not the Word of God. Jesus does not damn anyone. He came to redeem us and not to damn us. Please, I know there's alot of people who are mistaken about Christians already. :(

I don't see the difference between a Black religious experience between any colour! Also, the notion that Jesus is black is false! How can he say that and get away with it!

There's just so much false information out there...argh.

[SantaCruzen]

According to my decades of observations, attending conferences by presenters such as Iran-Contra Investigative Attorney, Daniel Sheehan, J.D. who gave evidence to Senator Kerry in Congress, yes there is corruption from within our government. It is not all of the government.

[joeysky18]

I posted my comment that I don't buy his excuse.

He said he doesn't believe all the things his paster said. But he exposes his
daughters to this kind of hatred teaching.

Would you do that to your children?

How would he explain to his 2 daughters that they are not suppose to believe all the thing the pastor said?

It doesn't add up.

I'm not sure my comment will be approved.

[G4Hillary]

If he was truly sorry, all he had to say was I reject the pastor and the statements. I terminate any and all relationships with him because I do not want to be associated any longer with a racist.

INSTEAD...RezkObama in his class BS style gave us some more BS.

[Sincere]

That BO heard all the sermons on these controversial subjects and probably heard them several times.
I believe since he was married, his children baptized and him attending the church for 20 years he is telling lies about it or is sleeping through church.
I believe also that he believes in the sentiments put forth by this pastor.
I believe he thinks white people are the enemy or will use that theory against white people if he becomes president.
I believe Michele Obama revealed their feelings when she made that statement that she was only NOW proud of her country.
I believe I am afraid of a presidency by this man.
I believe I cannot ever vote for him.
I believe he has no real integrity since so many instances have come up.....the pastor, ill treatment of Hillary, Rezco.

[G4Hillary]

Sincere,

You are quite sincere and right on the money!

[CGP]

This is how Obama & his campaign operate
(language safe)

YouTube - Charlie The Unicorn

[JOY TO THE WORLD]

Hillary right now is tired--I can tell. She is having such a rough time constantly fighting off false allegations of racism that she nor Pres Clinton are responsible for. Rev Wright is not a pastor that should be preaching any hate. Just moments ago watched quickly the ugly cable brigade just to find out what they are saying as of this evening about Obama's explanation--now, it appears, they are easing up from him--and pushing Geraldine's statement back into the media--the reporter from LA Times I believe who was on Tucker tonight actually was stating that Geraldine's statement was "recent" and Obama's pastor's remarks were years ago--Obamatized!! I have come to believe that the best way Hillary supporters can help her is to gather what we know is "factual" news stories and send them to Rush and Hannity(not my favorite people but at least they are making this Rev Wright issue still be out in front)--

We know that the MSM will not even entertain these stories that some of us have known about for weeks and even months. We have to help Hillary because she and her campaign are probably reluctant at this juncture to put anything out there newsworthy--because as we all know, she will be accused, as always, as a divider and a spoiler (lol). After all, to here the MSM tell it, the Clintons are responsible for everything going wrong in this world--[yuk, yuk]

Just want to know what you think about this idea of sending info to talk radio programs.

Hillary for President and no one else will do! :):):)

[CGP]

Bizarrely, I think Fox News is our only hope left in the MSM at this point to draw any attention to this issue...

[G4Hillary]

You know Murray, who would have thought? FOX news is the most unbiased channel right now. hehehe

I can't believe this. How quickly things change in this world. I have just learned something about life.

I know FOX is still a hater but since they hate all Dems equally that uniquely puts them in a the most "fair and balanced" position.

[emmyCA]

You can't publicly preach "unity" and getting beyond race with a "post-racial politics" (and present yourself as the only available vehicle to lead us to this promised land) and then in private endorse for two decades someone who couldn't be more diametrically opposed to Obama's public rhetoric. Obama, as expected, has issued a denunciation. It will mitigate things but the damage is largely done. You can't erase 20 years of endorsing bigotry with a politically motivated statement.

This is just the latest example of Obama saying one thing, doing another. As we learn more about his record we learn how often his rhetoric doesn't match it. If Obama is who he says he is, a leader for change who deeply desires unity, he would have pulled aside Wright and given him one of his now famous "there is no white America, no black america, no Latino America, no Asian America. There is only a United States of America!" (the audacity of a man saying this on national television and using that to launch a presidential campaign while privately endorsing the exact opposite) and then left the church long ago. He isn't from a small village in Idaho. He is from the third largest city in the nation, a city of 3 million. He had numerous churches which did not have a racist at the helm to choose from. He didn't. This can only be because he either agreed with Wright's worldview or he simply doesn't have the courage, the leadership, to take a stand that would hurt him politically (Wright's standing in Chicago was a boon for Obama politically). Either way it is not what you expect from a president.

Make no mistake. He endorsed his words via his action of returning to the church again and again for two decades. If a candidate went to Klan rallies for two decades could they simply say "I personally oppose its views"? This is an extreme analogy, though. A more realistic one is of a politician attending such a church. We all know if anyone but St. Obama attended a church with a racist pastor they would be done. Notice you don't here of any other politician having a racist pastor. There is a reason for this. They aren't naive enough to open themselves to such an attack. Obama's poor judgment did. When a campaign is based on words voters have a right to know whether those words are practiced by that candidate. Increasingly we are learning Obama says one thing, does another.

[xyndau]

I was reading the comments on the Huffington Post website for Obama's response on the Pastor Wright issue and this one struck me as so, well, to the point and pretty much sums it up (by the way, Obama is being eaten up on the comments there):


Posted by: Imus and Obama
Comment: #34
Mar 14, 04:37 PM

HERE IS WHAT OBAMA HAD TO SAY ABOUT DON IMUS:
[B]
"I understand MSNBC has suspended Mr. Imus," Obama told ABC News, "but I would also say that there's nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group. And I would hope that NBC ends up having that same attitude."

However, Obama has no problem belonging to a congregation and having the pastor on his payroll who has made countless purposeful hate-filled speeches. [end of comment]

[laurenfhammond]

Obama needs to go plain and simple. His message of hatred fits in with everything that Michelle Obama has been preaching and its wrong. He claims to be the almighty uniter. With his failure to disassociate himself with the Pastor the case can now be positively made for him acting as a divider.

Ferraro resigns. Obama's justification - just words.

The tide needs to turn away from him. I genuinely feel he is dangerous.

[TeejDee]

Another case of say one thing, then turn around and say the opposite for campaign purposes ey?.....EG NAFTA and the Canadians... WINK.... WINK .....

[AZDEM]

to his Pastor Wright

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.html

Why is he blogging his response on Huffington Post? He should call a news conference and explain his relationship to this man. Are we supposed to believe he does not share "some" of the beliefs when he's been a member of this church for 20 years? This just does not pass the smell test.

[foreigner4hillary]

Some people are already calling Obama Hitler! Strange, I wanted to do that awhile back but decided against it. :D

[G4Hillary]

If one glorifies the killing of black people, that person is a racist and must be brought to justice. Rightfully so.

But if one glorifies the killing of white people, that person "just has a different opinion"???? This is wrong.

If this continues in the Democratic party all the other people that are not black will pick up and leave this racist party.

[Shelley]

She doesn't have to be! :)

No idea who created it...YouTube is a world of its own...Just an indication of the kind of "thinking" which is out there...

Remember, this is an independent forum. It represents no "official" voice.The Hitler association was bound to come out, surprised it took so long. I've had a fantasy for quite some time of superimposed Hitler youth rallies with Obama rallies, or possibly something like playing the "Tomorrow belongs to me." song from Cabaret over an Obama rally. There are some interesting correspondences that could be played with. The war has ruined the economy, the country needs a charismatic figure to unify it, bring back pride in being an American, etc., etc.. Having read the story of the making of the White Rose movie, I realized how good Hitler seemed at the beginning. These kids who later formed the White Rose resistance initially were very enthusiastic members of the Hitler youth group, because it was about pride in German culture, and the German people.

The analogy can only go so far, but with all the accusations of playing dirty, if her campaign was really trying to play dirty, it could have easily done a lot worse than it has done.

[hobbitt]

"The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign."

http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/Obama_Church_Racism/2008/01/07/62285.html
(from January 2008 )

"According to Wright, Obama then told him, “'You can get kind of rough in the sermons, so what we’ve decided is that it’s best for you not to be out there in public.'” But privately, Obama and his family prayed with Wright just before the presidential announcement."

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So apparently, somewhere in those 20 years of attending sermons, at least some of the "rough stuff" was perceived by Senator Obama?

This is not about some extremist anti-everyone minister endorsing McCain; nor about any other endorsement of a candidate by an uninvolved stranger; this is not even about Louis Ferrakhan endorsing Obama or Wright acclaiming Ferrakhan.

This is about a two-decades relationship between Obama and a minister whose teachings Obama suddenly disremembers. Either Obama has been fully indoctrinated by this man and is lying about it or his attendance at this church has been a masquerade all along. Was Obama writing his memoirs during these sermons which he never heard, or maybe fiddling with his Game Boy?

How do they explain these teachings to the Obama daughters? "Yes, Reverend Wright is a nice man and yes, he hates America but we do not have to listen to that part of his sermon. And yes, listen to the Reverend about sin and stuff but don't listen to the stuff about those Nice Palestinians."

One may meet an impressive individual, like their personality or their words, invite them to join your AOL Buddy list, and not until several exchanges later, realize that you have made a mistake.

One does not maintain a close relationship for twenty years without discovering a little something about the person you have befriended.
And this seems to be a habit of Obama's. He only met Rezko for three and a half minutes one day way back when, he had NO idea that Rezko was under indictment, he had NO idea that those tenements were falling down. Now he has NO idea that the Reverend Wright had some troublesome speeches in his background. Obama had NO idea that he pushed the wrong button while voting. He had NO idea Rashid Khalidi was a terrorist. He had NO idea about Bernadine Dorhn or William Ayers. He had NO idea....and so on.


And now Obama is going to turn this all around, blame the Clinton campaign for being anti-Christian, make sly remarks about Freedom Of Religion, rally black Americans to rise up and defend him against this calumny, play upon the sympathies of good honest folk and remind them that he is a product of a broken home, brung up real poor and without a Daddy and with a poor Gramma still in her little hut in Africa and Rich White America is picking on him!


This is not about religion, this is not about poor versus rich or white versus black.

This is about a guy who lies. Over and over again.

Big lies, little lies, great huge whopping lies, unbelievable lies.

[emmyCA]

They all hate "white" word....once Obama gets to the Whitehouse, i think he will change its name to Blackhouse.

[CGP]

Some people are already calling Obama Hitler! Strange, I wanted to do that awhile back but decided against it. :D

I stumbled across this a while ago on facebook:

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=117

[Shelley]

What I keep imagining is that if she just sits tight and doesn't do anything stupid herself, somehow between now and August, he will simply implode in some way. I don't exactly know how, and I hope it's nothing violent. It just seems to me that this kind of insanity can't last forever, something will have to give, and I just hope it happens soon enough, and nobody gets hurt.

[foreigner4hillary]

Hitler suggested that if you dared to LIE big enough, you could convince alot of people...pretty much the same thing Obalmy is doing

[Shelley]

This is not about religion, this is not about poor versus rich or white versus black.
And she doesn't come from a rich background either. Her family suffered some hardships too. It's not like she's a Kennedy.

[floorrunner]

Obama is making TV appearances tonight
Anderson Cooper 360- CNN
Countdown with the Traitor...er....Keith- MSNBC
Hannity- FOX

Guess he has a lot of talkin to do..........................

The toughest one to get past will be Sean Hannity. Sean does not take shit from anyone. I may not agree with Hannity on most things, but at least we have someone helping to expose Obama for who he really is.

[CGP]

The toughest one to get past will be Sean Hannity. Sean does not take shit from anyone. I may not agree with Hannity on most things, but at least we have someone helping to expose Obama for who he really is.

Said it before, but who would ever have thought we'd be looking for comfort in Sean Hannity!!! :confused: :eek:

[Arkansas Hillarized]

I only have one comment to make on this whole thing regarding BO.....


emitting a very loud *SNORT*


Does he really truly think he can get away with this? What's this about his speaking of integrity? He's already proven his lacking in that department.


*snorting again*

Hillarized in Arkansas

[lakerchick4life]

When is Obama Bin Laden(Yeah thats what one radio guy said here in L.A..I was laughing so hard) gonna be on Hannity..that will definitely be worth watching

[foreigner4hillary]

I stumbled across this a while ago on facebook:

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=117

Woah. Thanks for the link. I knew I could trust my gut instincts! I was very much interested in WWII as a kid and part of that interest led me to read..well attempt to read Mein Kempf (TLDR though hahaha).

But there's been alot of similarities between Hitler and Obama that I couldn't put to words. That blog draws very eerie comparisons that should definitely be discussed.

Wonder if Fox would dare to use that though!

[Shelley]

I stumbled across this a while ago on facebook:

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=117

Exactly the sorts of things I had been thinking, but didn't dare mention. Now all we need to do is convince him to ban books by the equivalent of Heine, and perhaps his followers will start to question him.

[foreigner4hillary]

Exactly the sorts of things I had been thinking, but didn't dare mention. Now all we need to do is convince him to ban books by the equivalent of Heine, and perhaps his followers will start to question him.

Unlikely :(

It's hard to break cults. I'm no expert on this of course...perhaps someone on this board has some experience dealing with the brainwashed?

[Frances]

I knew it, Keith the pig, tuned his voice to low gear, and what sweet
questions, and more questions he asked of John, and then Obama. How he turned it from Obama, to McCain, to Hagee. There he was putting Obama
up against McCain in the general election.
There he was smoothing over Rezko, and talking about Hillary and Whitewater.

The biggest laugh I had is when Keith said "TO BE FAIR", you have many opinions, and much rhetoric, overtopping the issues. REALLY?

Obama said trust me, trust me. Yet he remains a member of this church.
he is still committed to the teachings, and to the Rev. This is the real
Obama he said, I have done no wrong, don't judge me by the words other
men speak and live by. Rev. Wright has stepped down. Let's get to the issues, and move on he said.

Another issue, Keith thinks this will play out and since there is time
between the next election it is not going to be an issue.
Hell none of them have let anything slide on Hillary, no matter how far back
they go.

What a bunk!

[G4Hillary]

Shelley,

You know Hillary actually did not come from privilege. She was a middle class girl who's father sold draperies.

Hillary has worked hard all her life and this bastard pastor wright wants to demean her. Well we've got news for Obama and company, we are going to take you down. You don't mess with our girl.

[RachachaSharon]

Once in awhile, for laughs, I listen to Rush Limbaugh. Yesterday he was talking about Rev. Wright and said the evil (my word, not his) Rev. is actually going to be joining BO's campaign until his actual retirement. This could be BS as so much of Rush is.

[RachachaSharon]

I knew it, Keith the pig, tuned his voice to low gear, and what sweet
questions, and more questions he asked of John, and then Obama. How he turned it from Obama, to McCain, to Hagee. There he was putting Obama
up against McCain in the general election.
There he was smoothing over Rezko, and talking about Hillary and Whitewater.

The biggest laugh I had is when Keith said "TO BE FAIR", you have many opinions, and much rhetoric, overtopping the issues. REALLY?

Obama said trust me, trust me. Yet he remains a member of this church.
he is still committed to the teachings, and to the Rev. This is the real
Obama he said, I have done no wrong, don't judge me by the words other
men speak and live by. Rev. Wright has stepped down. Let's get to the issues, and move on he said.

Another issue, Keith thinks this will play out and since there is time
between the next election it is not going to be an issue.
Hell none of them have let anything slide on Hillary, no matter how far back
they go.

What a bunk!

If you condone it, you own it. BO is a liar.

[mooaks]

Olberman must be bucking for a job as Obama's press secretary. If this was Hillary Clinton, he and Mathews would be having a field day, the lousy excuse for fair and bias news reporters. It was mentioned on Matthews program that a similar thing happened to a man running for office in Boston a few years ago. The man went to Tip O'Neil who promptly told the man "When you hear inflammatory remarks coming from a preacher in your church, you should stand up get to the isle and do a 180 and out the door, never to return again. How in the world could Obama let his preacher "Bamboozle" him like that, "Okie Doakie"

[tcbwriter]

You know Murray, who would have thought? FOX news is the most unbiased channel right now. hehehe

I can't believe this. How quickly things change in this world. I have just learned something about life.

I know FOX is still a hater but since they hate all Dems equally that uniquely puts them in a the most "fair and balanced" position.
The problem is - are Dems watching FOX News. None of my Dem friends will ever watch that station. So they may be saying good things but if those who can vote in the primaries are watching MSNBC . . .

[tcbwriter]

She doesn't have to be! :)

No idea who created it...YouTube is a world of its own...Just an indication of the kind of "thinking" which is out there...

Remember, this is an independent forum. It represents no "official" voice.
I understand. But we both know she doesn't have to have anything to do with it for people to associate it with her. ;O(

[handymanhdw]

You know this is more of the same! The bad part is that the media will take Obama at his word and move on. If this was Hillary the media would be digging her grave with beers in hand. Sorry to be so outright i am just tired of all this bull s**t!.

I've got mine in hand, but I was celebrating the fact that something's negative has finally surfaced to put this MAN, BACK in his place. Being another man, 47 years old, my god, I hope I'm not called a racist for this remark!

CNN, Mathews at Hardball, Olbermann, and this woman who's married to the ex-Federal Reserve Board Greenspan, (Andrea Mitchell) need to all crawl under a rock. They're not helping our case at all. They have been for Iroq Obama all along, I used to be a faithful watcher, I WON'T BE FOOLED AGAIN..... I'm tired of the media's swinging politics. The U.S. needs one day set aside for ONE PRIMARY ACROSS THE UNITED STATES to prevent the media from ever again picking our next president. I will not vote for 4.00 per gallon, and I will not vote for Obama, If Hillary runs as an independent, I will vote for her. AND I'M NOT ALLERGIC TO VOTING FOR HER AS A WRITE IN!!!! McCain needs to buy a McBrain!

[handymanhdw]

g4 hillary I can't stand Foxed up News, what a joke when I see their ad for balanced reporting. How can the blond headed dude with glasses stand to work with Hammity? The little black headed dude Hannity is a buthead like beavis I do doubt how many dem's are watching this channel. I've been watching it for the simple reason they are the only ones bashing Omama. Russert, Olberman, Mathews Hardballs, and such need to be emailed and emailed and emailed, I've sent plenty, and I'm sick of this. There is no excuse asside from the fact that they have a problem with a woman running things. This country is so far gone, it WILL TAKE A WOMAN TO STRAITEN IT UP. These big studs are worried their taxes may go up. If I was making what they were, I'd be glad to pay about 200,000$ annually in taxes.. That's about 10 times what I currently live on.

The young people supporting Omama, need to talk to their grandparents and ask what the results of the outcome of Obama presidency will mean for our country. They will no doubt give a good answer.... IF SOMEONE DOESN'T GRAB THE COUNTRY BY THE HORNS AND SOON, WE ARE HEADING TOWARD A DEPRESSION LIKE YOU HAVE NOT SEEN. Oh, Mama, and Dad, I wish you could see where this country is fixing to go! U wouldn't believe this Krap!

This is not a scare tactic, I'm going to leave that up to McBrain to play his WAR CARD, WHICH AIN'T WORKING FOR THE WORKING PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY!!!!!

[handymanhdw]

Once in awhile, for laughs, I listen to Rush Limbaugh. Yesterday he was talking about Rev. Wright and said the evil (my word, not his) Rev. is actually going to be joining BO's campaign until his actual retirement. This could be BS as so much of Rush is.

Thank GOD, (if I can use that without being RACIAL) I'm in Central Texas and haven't had to listen to this blow mouth, because I've never bothered to even look if his channel is available down here. He needs to take more pills and leave the rest of the world alone. More, More, More, like I told my brother the so called republican that's never filed a tax return, he needs to drink more and quit calling me about Dad's estate monies.

A vote for Obama, will be a vote for MUSLIMISM, as his grandparents are. I'm Czech, I can't run away from that, so Jak Se Mas???? Jak to visi? Why can't anyone say that? I guess thanks be to God, I'm Catholic and all, My god doesn't call CNN and report what I told someone on the internet or news networks..... Boy am i lucky!