Who're those Hillary supporters voting for Obama?

[hillarymyhero]

Every day I meet different people ranging from plumbers, handy men, nurses, doctors,cleaning ladies,students,engineers, sales persons who have been die hard democratics throughout their lives, are now supporting McCain.

All my neighbors, co workers, family and friends (die hard dems.) who supported Hillary in Primary are saying only one sentence over and over again," We will vote for Republican, McCain for the first time in our lives. Because we believe that McCain is excellent for security and Obama is just only for false words with no hope, no change.Obama is empty slogans with full of rhetorics to play with innocent Americans minds."

I wonder who are those Hillary supporters voting for Obama? I have not seen even a single person (men and women) Hillary supporter who is not voting for McCain......

[hillary1]

Every day I meet different people ranging from plumbers, handy men, nurses, doctors,cleaning ladies,students,engineers, sales persons who have been die hard democratics throughout their lives, are now supporting McCain.

All my neighbors, co workers, family and friends (die hard dems.) who supported Hillary in Primary are saying only one sentence over and over again," We will vote for Republican, McCain for the first time in their lives. Because we believe that McCain is excellent for security and Obama is just only for false words with no hope, no change.Obama is empty slogans with full of rhetorics to play with innocent Americans minds."

I wonder who are those Hillary supporters voting for Obama? I have not seen even a single person (men and women) Hillary supporter who is not voting for McCain......

FUNNY, BUT LAST EVENING ON THE NEWS, ONE OF THOSE BLUE COLOR WORKERS STATED EMPHATICALLY, "WE ARE NOT VOTING FOR OBAMA", THIS IS GOOD NEWS, IF THE MEDIA A**WIPES WOULD RECOGNIZE IT AND STOP WITH THE POLL NONSENSE, WHICH THEY WON'T, WE WOULD FINALLY SEE THAT THE TRUE NOMINEE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS HILLARY CLINTON, OTHERWISE JOHN MCCAIN

OBAMA IS NOT EVEN RUNNING AS FAR AS WE ARE CONCERNED, HE IS A BLIP ON THE SCREEN, AN ANNOYING BUG

[hillarymyhero]

:D Yes, Obama bee...annoying bug....

Media is playing fool either deliberately or moronishly....

[Alex01]

:D Yes, Obama bee...annoying bug....

Media is playing fool either deliberately or moronishly....

They're doing what their corporate overlords tell them.

[Brooke]

Every day I meet different people ranging from plumbers, handy men, nurses, doctors,cleaning ladies,students,engineers, sales persons who have been die hard democratics throughout their lives, are now supporting McCain.

All my neighbors, co workers, family and friends (die hard dems.) who supported Hillary in Primary are saying only one sentence over and over again," We will vote for Republican, McCain for the first time in our lives. Because we believe that McCain is excellent for security and Obama is just only for false words with no hope, no change.Obama is empty slogans with full of rhetorics to play with innocent Americans minds."

I wonder who are those Hillary supporters voting for Obama? I have not seen even a single person (men and women) Hillary supporter who is not voting for McCain......

I've got a few in my Jewish family. Yeah, it's crazy.

[hillary1]

Every day I meet different people ranging from plumbers, handy men, nurses, doctors,cleaning ladies,students,engineers, sales persons who have been die hard democratics throughout their lives, are now supporting McCain.

All my neighbors, co workers, family and friends (die hard dems.) who supported Hillary in Primary are saying only one sentence over and over again," We will vote for Republican, McCain for the first time in our lives. Because we believe that McCain is excellent for security and Obama is just only for false words with no hope, no change.Obama is empty slogans with full of rhetorics to play with innocent Americans minds."

I wonder who are those Hillary supporters voting for Obama? I have not seen even a single person (men and women) Hillary supporter who is not voting for McCain......

more from the camp of donna brazile, and the a**wipe media, americans are seeing through this liar everyday, they are beginning to see him for what he is, hs is not for this country, he is against everything it stands for, they print the lies that people are coming around and see him as the only salvation for this country

WELL, WE SAW THE FRAUDULENT LIES AND VOTING SCHEMES FOR GEORGE BUSH, WE DO NOT INTEND TO HAVE IT HAPPEN WITH THE LIKES OF OBAMA

HE IS NOT THE CHOICE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, NOR WILL HE CAPTURE THE SUPPORTERS OF HILLARY CLINTON, OUR NEXT PRESIDENT

[Brooke]

I'm so jealous of you all. The only people I can talk to are Republicans. I haven't met one Hillary supporter who isn't either: staying home, voting for Obama or writing somebody iin. Maybe I just don't know that many people..hahaha.

[mrkalbo]

NOBAMA for me, my friends, neighbors and relatives! I almost even PUKE when I saw BO & MO knuckle bump...NOT APPROPRIATE to the event which shown all over the world. It makes America low class. I still go with traditional hug and/or handshake that was an old trademark for us in America.

[Brooke]

No no no, it's the fist bump. Get it right.;)

[Laura Cereta]

When I was reading BO's blog, there were 2 people on there claimimg to be former Clinton supporters. One I believe really was, because when someone posted something negative about Hillary, she objected right away. There are some out there...

The people I worry about are the older ones that grew up in a generation where party loyalty was akin to family loyalty. They might hate BO and be sick to their stomachs, but they'll tow the party line because they don't know what else to do. These people are less likely to be on the Internet, too. These are the people I want to reach through other means (i.e. fliers, getting media coverage, etc.) to let them know to stop listening to the pundits: it's not over.

[mjoynaples]

someone saw my button on my camera case and then I passed out HRC addressed and stamped thank you cards and asked them to write her and thank her for the amazing primary and to keep going to DENVER and WE ARE DEMANDING ROLL CALL AND HER NOMINATION and etc... and asking folks to put some money in there and all agree to at least $5.00 some who can do more say they will so passed out about 30 so far... have about 10 more in my pocketbook and have my hillary button on pocketbook so people see and can say something or not... ALL THESE FOLKS WERE NOBAMA EVER and 2 were writing her in and the rest of us were voting McCain ... I am working on the write-ins...explaining they are really voting for BO!~

[musgrrl]

When I attended Hillary's last campaign speech on June 7, as I was standing in line, there were a couple of Dems that claimed they supported Hillary but now they were going to fall in line and support BO. To them being a democrat was more important than who they voted for. When I asked about how Hillary had been treated, they tried to brush it off like there was only a small amount of people that hated Hillary. I'd like to know what planet they were living on. Those obamabots are horrible.

I just remained quiet because I wasn't sure if they were real Hillary supporters. They could have been plants. I even saw a woman with an Obama hat on walking with her son to get in line to go in. People just stared at her. The two Dems next to me just said, "oh they are probably just so confused. Probably had a hard time choosing". No, they clearly chose and that was Obama. They just wanted to show up and cause trouble.

[samkm]

I have not come across even ONE person who is a known Hillary supporter voting for Obama. Morever, most have concluded that if Hillary is not on the ballot for President, they are voting for McCain. Practically everyone is selecting McCain because of his character and experience.

[Tea toaD]

Well that stupid video that moveon put out about the 100 years in Iraq got a lot of people agreeing with it. I was watching my local news last night and they interviewed a couple who said they agreed. The reporter mentioned there were some who thought it was over the top but things like this don't help.:confused:
If the video plays in your area, call you TV station and let them know what you think. Maybe you will even get a chance to be interviewed. I called this morning. They took my name and phone number down.

[SusanfromPA]

I am starting to think ALL the polls showing Obama in the lead are propaganda.
I ran into another person I know today who said they were very upset about Hillary not being the nominee and they didn't want Obama in office.
Not one person I have talked to wants Obama in Office.

[agalfromcal4hill]

I'd like to know who these former Hillary supporters turned kool-aid drinkers are too! The media keeps coming up with these polls that show large numbers of filppers to his camp, but never interviews any actual voters that could be identified as doing such. Although we do hear all about how the "hold outs" or "Crazed older white women" will come around in November. I don't think that BO has seen a huge shift from our camp to his, and in fact I also have been talking with Hill family at work, they won't vote BO ever. Most comment about BO inexperience and McCain a national hero. My belief it that BO isn't counting on our supporting him, thus he's continuing to have large new voter registration drives. Only problem with that is, new voters are unreliable:D

[Hillarysmygirl08]

there are a few on pro hillary sites. I got into it with several of the so called Hillary supporters yesterday and boy were they as rude as any Obamabot. I just left and calmed down. I do not know many lol of course I live in Obamaville lol

[shadow]

The people I worry about are the older ones that grew up in a generation where party loyalty was akin to family loyalty. They might hate BO and be sick to their stomachs, but they'll tow the party line because they don't know what else to do. These people are less likely to be on the Internet, too. These are the people I want to reach through other means (i.e. fliers, getting media coverage, etc.) to let them know to stop listening to the pundits: it's not over

I agree. I think that the media/tv keeps saying "they will get behind OB" because they are trying to target this group. It is all bullshit and we know it, but those older folk who don't have access to anything but tv news don't know what we all know. :(

[Morgan]

I am starting to think ALL the polls showing Obama in the lead are propaganda.
I ran into another person I know today who said they were very upset about Hillary not being the nominee and they didn't want Obama in office.
Not one person I have talked to wants Obama in Office.

I've been curious about that. I know CNN cooks their polls and a lot depends how they ask their questions.

[JOY TO THE WORLD]

I agree. I think that the media/tv keeps saying "they will get behind OB" because they are trying to target this group. It is all bullshit and we know it, but those older folk who don't have access to anything but tv news don't know what we all know. :(

I was just expressing that observation to a hillary supporter. We were saying that older people who have been dems for years are more prone to follow what the MSM is telling them...which are lies. But these dems are loyal to the party, yet, as we have learned this year, the dems don't give a crap about the base (which makes you think, if they ever did) :(

[agalfromcal4hill]

I don't think the older voters will be hoodwinked by BO or the media. They understand the important things beyond party loyalty, like experience, Social Security, guns, religion, national security, and the basic frame work of our Constutition. Thus this block of voters became Reagan Democrats in the 80's. Have no fear that the older citizens will just fall in line, I believe them to be one of the strong group of hold outs available.:D:D

[Morgan]

I don't think the older voters will be hoodwinked by BO or the media. They understand the important things beyond party loyalty, like experience, Social Security, guns, religion, national security, and the basic frame work of our Constutition. Thus this block of voters became Reagan Democrats in the 80's. Have no fear that the older citizens will just fall in line, I believe them to be one of the strong group of hold outs available.:D:D

They are if they have had access to information.

[Molly]

I know lots of people from all over the country - and have a huge family - of all the Dems I know - NOT one will support obama!!! Most of my family - die-hard Dems - will vote for McCain - even the older ones. I think this is a Spin from the obama camp for "show" -like everything they do - it is all Fake - like obama.

[Ebinger]

I can only think of one former Clinton supporter that is now firmly in the BO camp, and he's a college kid.

At least two-thirds say they're certain to vote for McCain, they don't want BO at all.

[hillarymyhero]

CNN shows a spin in Polls by giving Nobama a lead just to brain wash us.
But, all of us should not underestimate the enemy's power....

And we should always be prepared to combat them right at the top or bottom whatever it takes.....and support McCain...

And all of Hillary's supporters can make McCain win this election hands down.....we're swing force for McCain....

[shadow]

I do worry about those elderly and the poor who don't have computer access, and only have the tv news to judge by. They take it for granted that anything said on the news has to be true. I believe OB's ads are aimed directly at this group.

My sister got behind Ob early on. She has a computer but she refuses to go to sites. She has dialup so cannot access the videos. I try to get her to come here, go to No Quarter, ect, but she simply listens to the tv news and accepts it as true. It frustrates me, but I know that she is not the only one.

[hillarymyhero]

I do worry about those elderly and the poor who don't have computer access, and only have the tv news to judge by. They take it for granted that anything said on the news has to be true. I believe OB's ads are aimed directly at this group.

My sister got behind Ob early on. She has a computer but she refuses to go to sites. She has dialup so cannot access the videos. I try to get her to come here, go to No Quarter, ect, but she simply listens to the tv news and accepts it as true. It frustrates me, but I know that she is not the only one.so, what to do for those elderly ones?

I believe all of us should go to McCain web site to give them this feedback for those elderly and poor Hillary supporters....

[Vici57]

I just heard on Lou Dobbs that 55% of the women are supporting Obama. Who do they talk to because I have never been called. These women are either brain dead or bimbos. Either way I don't know they came up with 55%.
Amazing.

[hillarymyhero]

I never believe CNN's polls...

[AlexG]

It doesn't matter for me who wants to vote Obama. All I know is that I will vote McCain if Hillary isn't on the ballot. I will not write in or sit at home for fear of taking a chance having Obama as my president.

[hillarymyhero]

It doesn't matter for me who wants to vote Obama. All I know is that I will vote McCain if Hillary isn't on the ballot. I will not write in or sit at home for fear of taking a chance having Obama as my president.yes, it makes me at ease,when I believe that my family will support McCain.................Nobama,never ever...

[pongonis]

There are so many people who think Hillary has conceded rather than suspended her campaign because of the medias piss poor coverage. My neighbors were surprised when I told them she had not conceded and had not released her delegates. Any ideas how we can make this more widely known?

[shadow]

I just heard on Lou Dobbs that 55% of the women are supporting Obama. Who do they talk to because I have never been called. These women are either brain dead or bimbos. Either way I don't know they came up with 55%.
Amazing.

I might be naieve but I don't put too much into what these tv people say. I still think it is crap to try to make people believe "oh well, it is a done deal, so I may as well vote Ob too, or stay home".

Propaganda.

If so many really are already supporting Ob and he has it locked up, as these news people claim, then why does OB need and want Hillary to campaigh with and for him and talk her donations people into giving to him? As much as he hates the Clintons, seems to me he would not want anything to do with them. Why would he want the help of "those racists"? (his words) I think he is scared and needs her to try to convince people.

[santafegal]

Every day I meet different people ranging from plumbers, handy men, nurses, doctors,cleaning ladies,students,engineers, sales persons who have been die hard democratics throughout their lives, are now supporting McCain.

All my neighbors, co workers, family and friends (die hard dems.) who supported Hillary in Primary are saying only one sentence over and over again," We will vote for Republican, McCain for the first time in our lives. Because we believe that McCain is excellent for security and Obama is just only for false words with no hope, no change.Obama is empty slogans with full of rhetorics to play with innocent Americans minds."

I wonder who are those Hillary supporters voting for Obama? I have not seen even a single person (men and women) Hillary supporter who is not voting for McCain......

I've come across far too many Democrats here in NM who voted for Hillary in the primary but are now jumping on BO's bandwagon. :rolleyes: I think part of the reason is that these people are still voting "the party" no matter what.
There are far more people though who've told me they are not voting at all.

[Amy Dugan]

I AM a volunteer for Hillary Clinton. I was congressional coordinator in OH (John Boehner’s district). Because of my job duties as coordinator, the Clinton staff gave me the list of over 2000 names and contact info of volunteers. Many are Reagan Democrats and even Republicans, true swing voters who will determine the outcome of the general election. Per Hillary Clinton’s request, I sent them an email asking for their help in taking back the White House and to go to www.HillaryClinton.com and sign up to support Obama. WOW what a full inbox I had 3 hours later. Many asked to be removed from my list. This was the 40th email I have sent them for Hillary since February and I have never had so many unsubscribe requests.


but last week in CA i found many clinton supporters going to obama since hillary said to

[hillarymyhero]

I might be naieve but I don't put too much into what these tv people say. I still think it is crap to try to make people believe "oh well, it is a done deal, so I may as well vote Ob too, or stay home".

Propaganda.

If so many really are already supporting Ob and he has it locked up, as these news people claim, then why does OB need and want Hillary to campaigh with and for him and talk her donations people into giving to him? As much as he hates the Clintons, seems to me he would not want anything to do with them. Why would he want the help of "those racists"? (his words) I think he is scared and needs her to try to convince people.ditto.....yes,thats my question,too...

If, Obama and CNN are so much confident of their victory, then why they desperately need Hillary and her supporters???

[hillarymyhero]

I AM a volunteer for Hillary Clinton. I was congressional coordinator in OH (John Boehner’s district). Because of my job duties as coordinator, the Clinton staff gave me the list of over 2000 names and contact info of volunteers. Many are Reagan Democrats and even Republicans, true swing voters who will determine the outcome of the general election. Per Hillary Clinton’s request, I sent them an email asking for their help in taking back the White House and to go to www.HillaryClinton.com and sign up to support Obama. WOW what a full inbox I had 3 hours later. Many asked to be removed from my list. This was the 40th email I have sent them for Hillary since February and I have never had so many unsubscribe requests.


but last week in CA i found many clinton supporters going to obama since hillary said towow!!! Amy, that's grrrrreatttt..........

[hillarymyhero]

santafegal
Thats the dilemma...some people still are caught in this party thingie...which is unsafe for America.

We are not for DNC, we're for Hillary only.....thats the main difference....

[Laura Cereta]

Well that stupid video that moveon put out about the 100 years in Iraq got a lot of people agreeing with it. I was watching my local news last night and they interviewed a couple who said they agreed. The reporter mentioned there were some who thought it was over the top but things like this don't help.:confused:
If the video plays in your area, call you TV station and let them know what you think. Maybe you will even get a chance to be interviewed. I called this morning. They took my name and phone number down.

Do people just not THINK anymore??? How is McCain supposed to keep soldiers in Iraq for 100 yrs when he'll probably only be in office for 4? I mean, come on! It drives me crazy when I hear, "We'll be in Iraq for 100 yrs if you vote for McCain!" That is not even logical.

[hillarymyhero]

Do people just not THINK anymore??? How is McCain supposed to keep soldiers in Iraq for 100 yrs when he'll probably only be in office for 4? I mean, come on! It drives me crazy when I hear, "We'll be in Iraq for 100 yrs if you vote for McCain!" That is not even logical., exactly, you made a very valid point....

Howcome we can afford to stay in Iraq for 100 years? I mean come'on people why don't you think from your head? Obama is playing this fear factor for his fascism and socialism which is opposite of democracy....

Pleasey, don't fall in in to his prey...................

[marcelmarcel]

I live in OBAMALAND. Cambridge, MA. All Hillary supporters that I know, minus one, will support BO. They are not thrilled, but they also do not know much about him.

[Bad Kitty]

:D Yes, Obama bee...annoying bug....

Media is playing fool either deliberately or moronishly....

both

[OkieforHRC2008]

There are so many people who think Hillary has conceded rather than suspended her campaign because of the medias piss poor coverage. My neighbors were surprised when I told them she had not conceded and had not released her delegates. Any ideas how we can make this more widely known?

I know this one all too well! My mother asked me what I'd do now that Hillary had conceded, and I said, she suspended her campaign. Needless to say the MSM is serving up this lie so often that it has convinced too many people.

~~OkieforHRC2008

[musgrrl]

I don't think the older voters will be hoodwinked by BO or the media. They understand the important things beyond party loyalty, like experience, Social Security, guns, religion, national security, and the basic frame work of our Constutition. Thus this block of voters became Reagan Democrats in the 80's. Have no fear that the older citizens will just fall in line, I believe them to be one of the strong group of hold outs available.:D:D

My grandma is not drinking the kool-aid. She's voting for McCain if Hillary is not the nominee. My grandmother has been a Dem all her life.

[SusanfromPA]

The people I worry about are the older ones that grew up in a generation where party loyalty was akin to family loyalty. They might hate BO and be sick to their stomachs, but they'll tow the party line because they don't know what else to do. These people are less likely to be on the Internet, too. These are the people I want to reach through other means (i.e. fliers, getting media coverage, etc.) to let them know to stop listening to the pundits: it's not over.

As the MSM questioning grows I think (if Obama really does steal the nomination) those are going to be the people who will at least say "I'm just going to stay home" so as not to vote against that party loyalty. Although by the time the election rolls around it's hard to tell how embarrasing it may be for people to still claim themselves as members of the Democratic party.

[Musicdude]

but last week in CA i found many clinton supporters going to obama since hillary said to
My response to those people is that Hillary has merely taken a politician's position for career purposes. But, we are not politicians. We are voters. We are not sheep. Voters decide what's best for the country. Intelligent voters do not vote for unqualified/flawed/racist/corrupt candidates. Period. People who do not have the critical thinking skills necessary to distinguish between a politician taking a strictly political stance, versus, the voter responsibility of doing what is best for America, shouldn't be voting at all.

[lynfreedom]

I just heard on Lou Dobbs that 55% of the women are supporting Obama. Who do they talk to because I have never been called. These women are either brain dead or bimbos. Either way I don't know they came up with 55%.
Amazing.

He is probably giving them a list of his supporters to call so their numbers stay up for him.

[reddirtgirl]

Every day I meet different people ranging from plumbers, handy men, nurses, doctors,cleaning ladies,students,engineers, sales persons who have been die hard democratics throughout their lives, are now supporting McCain.

All my neighbors, co workers, family and friends (die hard dems.) who supported Hillary in Primary are saying only one sentence over and over again," We will vote for Republican, McCain for the first time in our lives. Because we believe that McCain is excellent for security and Obama is just only for false words with no hope, no change.Obama is empty slogans with full of rhetorics to play with innocent Americans minds."

I wonder who are those Hillary supporters voting for Obama? I have not seen even a single person (men and women) Hillary supporter who is not voting for McCain......



I've been experiencing the same thing. I go to a monthly dance, where I sit with a few friends who usually bring THEIR friends, people I haven't met before. This last dance, there were about 20 people at our table, 12 of whom I'd never met before. Every single one of them was trashing Bozo, all voting McCain.

[reddirtgirl]

I don't think the older voters will be hoodwinked by BO or the media. They understand the important things beyond party loyalty, like experience, Social Security, guns, religion, national security, and the basic frame work of our Constutition. Thus this block of voters became Reagan Democrats in the 80's. Have no fear that the older citizens will just fall in line, I believe them to be one of the strong group of hold outs available.:D:D


It's unfortunate in many ways, but good for us this time, but these older folks also may have issues voting for an AA. They weren't raised that way, and many have longstanding biases.

[Mrs L]

I AM a volunteer for Hillary Clinton. I was congressional coordinator in OH (John Boehner’s district). Because of my job duties as coordinator, the Clinton staff gave me the list of over 2000 names and contact info of volunteers. Many are Reagan Democrats and even Republicans, true swing voters who will determine the outcome of the general election. Per Hillary Clinton’s request, I sent them an email asking for their help in taking back the White House and to go to www.HillaryClinton.com and sign up to support Obama. WOW what a full inbox I had 3 hours later. Many asked to be removed from my list. This was the 40th email I have sent them for Hillary since February and I have never had so many unsubscribe requests.


but last week in CA i found many clinton supporters going to obama since hillary said to

Why were you requesting Hillary's supporters to vote for Obama???

With 2000 names at your disposal that was an opportune time to tell them NOT TO VOTE FOR OBAMA. Tell them some truths about him

[Amy Dugan]

Why were you requesting Hillary's supporters to vote for Obama???

With 2000 names at your disposal that was an opportune time to tell them NOT TO VOTE FOR OBAMA. Tell them some truths about him


for same reason as all Hillary surrogates (Strickland, Rendell...) when Obama loses in the fall it has to look like Hillary asked her closest surrogates and she herself did their dambdest to help the ******* so she is not to blame!!!!! Some on my list are elected officials who may blame her for divisiveness and McCain win

[bangorgirl]

for same reason as all Hillary surrogates (Strickland, Rendell...) when Obama loses in the fall it has to look like Hillary asked her closest surrogates and she herself did their dambdest to help the ******* so she is not to blame!!!!! Some on my list are elected officials who may blame her for divisiveness and McCain win

I understand Hillary and you, I admire your ability to ask them to support bo, I couldn't do it myself tho. Your trying to protect Hillary, thats good, I am working hard to get people not to vote for bo, well actually it's not hard. Most of the people I know are not going to vote for him anyway. Whats hard is getting them not to sit out in november.

[wildheart4mcpalin]

When I attended Hillary's last campaign speech on June 7, as I was standing in line, there were a couple of Dems that claimed they supported Hillary but now they were going to fall in line and support BO. To them being a democrat was more important than who they voted for. When I asked about how Hillary had been treated, they tried to brush it off like there was only a small amount of people that hated Hillary. I'd like to know what planet they were living on. Those obamabots are horrible.

I just remained quiet because I wasn't sure if they were real Hillary supporters. They could have been plants. I even saw a woman with an Obama hat on walking with her son to get in line to go in. People just stared at her. The two Dems next to me just said, "oh they are probably just so confused. Probably had a hard time choosing". No, they clearly chose and that was Obama. They just wanted to show up and cause trouble.
At the primary party on June 3rd, the two women who were the HQ 'leaders' who had worked SO hard on her campaign in the middle of Obamatown, said, well, guess we go work for BO now. My mouth just hung open, and they gave me the song and dance about party unity, blah blah puke blah. They were from out of state, and I would love to know if they are still thinking that way. Maybe they just live to campaign? I felt punched in the stomach. Thank goodness they are the only ones I have heard talk that way. (former Hillary supporters, that is)

[hillarymyhero]

YES, WHY WERE YOU REQUESTING TO SUPPORT OBAMA? AMY

I second to this.

[hillarymyhero]

for same reason as all Hillary surrogates (Strickland, Rendell...) when Obama loses in the fall it has to look like Hillary asked her closest surrogates and she herself did their dambdest to help the ******* so she is not to blame!!!!! Some on my list are elected officials who may blame her for divisiveness and McCain winAmy, with all due respect you should think about your country first.

We all love Hillary and supported for her, but, that doesn't mean we will do whatever she asks us to do without even giving it a second thought.

Honeslty, I am disappointed on your response to get out and ask Hillary's supporters to support Obama....you made me sad....

At least that was and is in your own power.

All of us on this forum have this pledge NOT to support Nobama , never....We expect samething from you....

But, you broke the pledge by supporting Nobama....this is really disturbing and sad.

[Christines]

We must use any influence that each one of us has to get our friends and relatives to do a thumbs down on Obama!

[Marie]

The number of Hillary supporters who wont vote for Obama has to be over 50%, if not higher..!!!

Media lies. Don't listen to the media.

[Brooke]

Guys, please don't jump down Amy's throat. She's more a part of the Clinton campaign than any of us and she was doing her job just like Hillary has.

What I find funny is how my mom always says "I do not like John McCain" but calls me a "turncoat" and I keep thinking "Oh, so it's okay for you not to like McCain but it's not okay for me to not like Obama simply because he's a Democrat?" Pshaa.

[hillarymyhero]

Guys, please don't jump down Amy's throat. She's more a part of the Clinton campaign than any of us and she was doing her job just like Hillary has.

What I find funny is how my mom always says "I do not like John McCain" but calls me a "turncoat" and I keep thinking "Oh, so it's okay for you not to like McCain but it's not okay for me to not like Obama simply because he's a Democrat?" Pshaa.we are not jumping down Amy's throat...

We are simply requesting her to change her position....what she was doing was wroking as a VOLUNTEER for Hillary's campaign....that was not her JOB.

Sameway, I was volunteer for Hillary,but, I did not call Hillary's supporters to support and donate to Obama....

Amy
Please, pretty please, stop supporting Obama even ,if, Hillary is asking you to do so.....

Remember our country comes first and then Hillary.

And also all of us want Hillary 2012 and only way to have that is to make McCain win.....

regards

[shadow]

but last week in CA i found many clinton supporters going to obama since hillary said to

I love Hillary. I believe she is the absolute best person for the job. But I also make my own decisions. This reminds me of that saying we all heard from our mothers as kids: well, would you leap off a cliff just because your friend asked you to"?

No Obama. Country over party. Sorry Hillary, but no thanks.

[Amy Dugan]

I was trying to figure out my listserve True dems and Obama if not HRC, Hillary or nobody never vote repub, or swing voter vote mccain if can't get a clinton back in the
if you knew that true dems were on my list and many elected officials who would hold it against hillary in 2012 if after my Write 4 cent unsigned check to DNC PUMA email I lashed out all bad on Obama contrary to the facade hillary must keep up just like my great governor has to, you would keep your mouths shut. who on here knows the clintons on a first name basis?
ps i have never hated a candidate so bad in my life. i am voting mccain. i voted reagan and 92 bush sr. swing voter

Amy, with all due respect you should think about your country first.

We all love Hillary and supported for her, but, that doesn't mean we will do whatever she asks us to do without even giving it a second thought.

Honeslty, I am disappointed on your response to get out and ask Hillary's supporters to support Obama....you made me sad....

At least that was and is in your own power.

All of us on this forum have this pledge NOT to support Nobama , never....We expect samething from you....

But, you broke the pledge by supporting Nobama....this is really disturbing and sad.

[endodoc79]

Ay, there's the rub. Not all of us are Democrats, and with their actions I have divorced myself from the party and am back to Independent. I think -what would I have done in Nazi Germany - spoken out and risk death or join the resistance and go underground working resolutely to defeat the fascist tyrants. Probably the latter. I don't think I could have supported such a regime and ask others to do so. That is how many feel.

[mkreyns]

Needs some serious counseling and his head examined.

[Mandy]

I received an invite to an Obamatron party for this Saturday. I guess he's trying to have 10,000 parties on June 28. A friend of mine, a loyal HRC gal, decided to give a party because the local Obama organizing girl is also a good friend of ours. My friend, giving the party, gave the Obama girl a list of invitees. I received an email invite and a request to RSVP. WELL, to RSVP, I had to SIGN UP on BO's web site! I wrote a note to the Obama girl and said that this was NO WAY to entice HRC supporters to come and support Obamanation because we don't want to feel forced to join his web site (the last thing I need is more emails). Anyway, it upset me and my friend won't be getting any RSVPs since she invited HRC supporters. The Obama girl did not get it.

[RachachaSharon]

When I was reading BO's blog, there were 2 people on there claimimg to be former Clinton supporters. One I believe really was, because when someone posted something negative about Hillary, she objected right away. There are some out there...

The people I worry about are the older ones that grew up in a generation where party loyalty was akin to family loyalty. They might hate BO and be sick to their stomachs, but they'll tow the party line because they don't know what else to do. These people are less likely to be on the Internet, too. These are the people I want to reach through other means (i.e. fliers, getting media coverage, etc.) to let them know to stop listening to the pundits: it's not over.

My in-laws (from the greatest generation) don't trust BO - he scares them. They will vote McCain because he is a patriot and is trustworthy.

[RachachaSharon]

I actually got my first call from the Obama campaign last night. He asked for my husband and when he identified himself I simply told him we're not voting Obama and hung up.

[shadow]

I actually got my first call from the Obama campaign last night. He asked for my husband and when he identified himself I simply told him we're not voting Obama and hung up.

Of course he asked for your husband. You are just the little woman. :rolleyes:

I seem to be on their email list, likely taken from Hillarys site. I am tired of my box being filled with their dribble.

[martreasures]

well I guess the Dnc has accomplished their party of change message their changing democrats into republicans.......

[hillarymyhero]

I was trying to figure out my listserve True dems and Obama if not HRC, Hillary or nobody never vote repub, or swing voter vote mccain if can't get a clinton back in the
if you knew that true dems were on my list and many elected officials who would hold it against hillary in 2012 if after my Write 4 cent unsigned check to DNC PUMA email I lashed out all bad on Obama contrary to the facade hillary must keep up just like my great governor has to, you would keep your mouths shut. who on here knows the clintons on a first name basis?
ps i have never hated a candidate so bad in my life. i am voting mccain. i voted reagan and 92 bush sr. swing voterThanks Amy...

Yes, I have never hated any candidate so bad in my life either....we are on the same page on this......Sorry for doubting you...actually, I am extremely emotional on this issue just like all of Hillary supporters(die hard)....so, I get emotional even at the mere thought of it.....cheers.:)

[reddirtgirl]

I actually got my first call from the Obama campaign last night. He asked for my husband and when he identified himself I simply told him we're not voting Obama and hung up.


I got a call a couple of nights ago, and as soon as she said "Obama is our nominee", I laid into her. Just cut her off right then, and replied "He is NOT YET the nominee." I ranted at her a few seconds. Then she asked for a donation for the DNC, and I laid into her again :D and replied "Are you nuts?? The DNC won't EVER get a dime from ME after the way they've wrecked this election! Not only that, but I'm no longer a Democrat, thanks to the DNC. I'm an Independent now and voting McCain!" She told me to have a nice evening. LOLOLOL

[reddirtgirl]

I was trying to figure out my listserve True dems and Obama if not HRC, Hillary or nobody never vote repub, or swing voter vote mccain if can't get a clinton back in the
if you knew that true dems were on my list and many elected officials who would hold it against hillary in 2012 if after my Write 4 cent unsigned check to DNC PUMA email I lashed out all bad on Obama contrary to the facade hillary must keep up just like my great governor has to, you would keep your mouths shut. who on here knows the clintons on a first name basis?
ps i have never hated a candidate so bad in my life. i am voting mccain. i voted reagan and 92 bush sr. swing voter


Amy: You did as Hillary instructed, and I don't fault you for that. I fault HER for towing the party line and asking that of her supporters!

But I wonder - you've sent the email she requested. Could it be possible for you to send another email from YOU PERSONALLY to those same people and give your opinion that folks should vote McCain? I would obviously leave off the elected officials in any such email.

Just an idea. I would really hate for all 2000 of those people to vote BOzo just because you did as Hillary instructed!

[Tom Terrific]

My response to those people is that Hillary has merely taken a politician's position for career purposes. But, we are not politicians. We are voters. We are not sheep. Voters decide what's best for the country. Intelligent voters do not vote for unqualified/flawed/racist/corrupt candidates. Period. People who do not have the critical thinking skills necessary to distinguish between a politician taking a strictly political stance, versus, the voter responsibility of doing what is best for America, shouldn't be voting at all.

Wow! What you said! :D

[endodoc79]

The prospect of voting for or against someone solely based on party affiliation is preposterous. But some people seem mired in the two party system.

One of our neighboring towns in Westchester county NY is Scarsdale, where the local politics are non-partisan.

People usually run unopposed and candidates are asked to run based on their character and resume.

We need to get back to the issues. BO has little experience tackling complex problems and is unfit for the position of POTUS, his naivite will likely hurt us.

McCain has experience, but follows the laissez-faire attitude of government.

Hillary has mastered the many different skills she will need to tackle the problems that we currently face and is the best choice.

Our job is to spread the word why Hillary is the best choice and Obama is no choice.

[Lynne]

1. Amy, you are doing your job as a volunteer and doing what Hillary has asked. She probably isn't too keen on having to support Obama but she knows there are long term goals. The same as Hillary, you are showing the integrity and maturity that marks the Clinton campaign. If her infrastructure behaves rudely and inappropriate then it puts her on the level of the Obamanuts. Hillary made a committment and she is fulfilling it. She isn't pulling an MO and thinking of only herself. It must be hard for you to send messages of support about Obama.

No, I am not a troll. Amy publicly represents Clinton and is more limited in her actions. As supporters we have the freedom. We are all on the same side.

[Lynne]

These are the comments I get when I talk to Hillary supporters.

1. They think she conceded.

2. They do not know about the issue of "selected" versus "elected". When I explain it they do know understand the implications of this behavior and what it means for the future.

3. True democracy cannot happen with only 2 parties. Other countries have several to more fully represent the diversity of the population.

4. There is a concern about Roe v Wade.

5. There is lack of understanding about McCain and the war.

6. Concern Mccain is too old and has cognitive problems and sees some of his gaffes as evidence of that.

7. The belief that Obama will be okay as long as he selects knowledgable people for his cabinet.

8. Obama can't be any worse than Bush.

The people I talk to are die hard supporters but do not know the facts. This information needs to get out and to be presented in a format that is similiar to how a lawyer makes his case.

I work a couple of jobs (One is at a Federal facility and it is a felony to talk about politics and I am blocked from forums).

I am sure there are probably handouts with talking points and evidence I can present. Can someone send me some information? I mainly talk to researchers and they want the evidence.

I also want to meet with the 2 superdelagates in Dallas and any hand outs would be great.

[Lynne]

Sorry, on a roll.

1. I read that the Latino community has low voter registration and will probably be hit hard by Obama. Are there any folks reaching out to this community?

2. There are a couple of people who are conducting scientific research about some of the caucus problems. These are the folks that need to need to be included in presenting information to the public.

[Amy Dugan]

Amy: You did as Hillary instructed, and I don't fault you for that. I fault HER for towing the party line and asking that of her supporters!

But I wonder - you've sent the email she requested. Could it be possible for you to send another email from YOU PERSONALLY to those same people and give your opinion that folks should vote McCain? I would obviously leave off the elected officials in any such email.

Just an idea. I would really hate for all 2000 of those people to vote BOzo just because you did as Hillary instructed!

no because i always use my personal email and so they block delete me

[ScottVA]

People should be careful coming in this forum promoting or even suggesting such an idea! LOL I'll get my gun out because I'm bitter! Move along........thank you have a nice day! :-)

[trading wine for beer]

I'm going to keep my eye on what she does. I'm 100% behind her, and hope that she takes Denver. I just know she IS the best hope for our country right now. If she does not take Denver, I'm going to watch her and see what she does/says, etc.

It seems I may be more to the left than most folks on this board, because I cannot vote McCain. Yes, he is a moderate republican, but still on the wrong side of most issues I deeply care about. What people don't realize is change happens over a long stretch of time. Enough drips of water can eventually create a flood before we know what hit us. Years of republican rule have put in place serious things we cannot undo overnight. And at this point, a republican government will really start to show (as if it hasn't already), even with just one more conservative supreme court justice appointment... or just one more terrorist attack... or just one more case of civil unrest, etc.... We are at a breaking point right now.

If y'all think about it... any rise in the price of oil (barrels) this year, shouldn't have an impact on actual consumer gas prices for 25 years in worst cases, and 130 years in best cases. This is a fact. So, we have to ask ourselves, why are the gas prices rising immediately?

My theory: GW and the Oil tycoons are taking advantage of our ignorance on how this stuff works. They are getting very wealthy on this farce, making it "appear" as if we are in crisis, creating panic, etc. Gas prices just happen to start skyrocketing (even though they shouldn't be). Mortgage crisis is exploding... and guess what? It just happens to be an election year. How convenient. Here's what I think will happen: The repubs come to the rescue... they lower gas prices! They fix the mortgage problem! They save the day by pulling the strings... and low and behold, McCain gets the presidency. And, for good measure, let's look at the gay marriage "wedge" issue. California just HAPPENS to override the voters and makes gay marriage legal. This guarantees a wedge issue to make the conservative, right wing republicans pour out of their houses to vote. No doubt gay marriage will be debated in the election now. It will be an issue. And in California, this issue will be on the November ballot to make the conservatives come out in droves, and while they are there, they might as well vote McCain, thus giving them a chance to win California.

OR... if these carefully planned conveniences fail to produce the desired results (because maybe it appears Hillary or BO will win this time around), Bush freezes the elections and declares Marshall law because a new terrorist attack just happens to take place (and it doesn't even have to be on US soil). Nothing I stated here is farfetched, sad to say. It's all written on the wall for all to see if we open our eyes. See how all the "drips" are getting ready to create a massive flood? And I'm not talking about Iowa's version. This one will be more like the 9th ward, or worse. And one of the many sad parts about it is... we can see this one coming and we aren't running away. We're just putting on our bathing suits and pretending as if we're getting ready for a beach blast party with a bonfire.

Now, if Hillary is consistent about standing behind BO, that tells me something. Hillary cares about the issues, and I don't believe she would work against herself. She has always been for the people, and I trust her. She is not as liberal as I'd like her to be... but if she was, she wouldn't be where she is right now. And, maybe at her core, she is as liberal as even the most leftist ideals... but she knows what will work in our system and what won't, so she knows when to tow the line and when not. But, I believe she has our country's best interest at heart.

My choices are in this order:

1. vote Hillary (because she's on the ticket)
2. write Hillary in (if not on the ticket)
3. get tanked up on whiskey, hold my nose, and vote Obama

The only reason I would consider #3 is if I am convinced he will work with Hillary, etc. for the important issues. I'll take those cues from Hillary. And if you only read my "choices" and have a desire to reply, please read the reasoning presented above before you pounce. Then, pounce away if you need to cuz at least you'll know where I'm coming from. :p

[shadow]

or just one more terrorist attack... or just one more case of civil unrest, etc.... We are at a breaking point right now.

Not trying to change your mind,,,but the *democrats* have had 4 years to make change and haven't done squat. Do you believe Obama will keep this country safe from terrorists? Civil unrest?

This is why I am behind Mccain.

[mjoynaples]

Hillary write-ins and a lot of McCainers not just because REPUBs ... hillary voters that are NOBAMA... and so far two businesses local really local have enthusiastically allowed me to put hang up the puma flyers they do not want BO! still want HILLARY!!!!!!

[Lorrum]

Well that stupid video that moveon put out about the 100 years in Iraq got a lot of people agreeing with it. I was watching my local news last night and they interviewed a couple who said they agreed. The reporter mentioned there were some who thought it was over the top but things like this don't help.:confused:
If the video plays in your area, call you TV station and let them know what you think. Maybe you will even get a chance to be interviewed. I called this morning. They took my name and phone number down.

Have you noticed that same video from Moveon.org is now an AFSCME (union) video? Moveon gave it to the other group after Obama "asked them to stand down" and not go negative. Very sneaky move by Obama to still go negative with the same ad.

[Linda C]

I am also not voting for McCain. I have not yet gotten to the point of getting drunk and voting for Obama. I will either write in Hillary or leave it blank for right now.

I do believe Hillary Clinton is our best bet for the long haul.

Drilling off shore for oil is essentially not going to anything but make the oil companies more money.It will add less than one percent to the total world oil market... same with ANWAR. There is no US oil market, it is the world oil market and prices are determined by the world market, supply and demand, speculators, and the value of the dollar. It will take 10 years for off shore oil to even be pumped.

We could probably do more with developing better hybrids over the 10 years than we can putting more holes in the ground somewhere.

Obama's plan to help the auto industry with their health care in exchange for investment in hybrid technology is a farce. If we had universal health care then the obligation for companies to provide affordable health care would be easier since every body would be covered.

It just might be an interesting summer.

[Linda C]

I AM a volunteer for Hillary Clinton. I was congressional coordinator in OH (John Boehner’s district). Because of my job duties as coordinator, the Clinton staff gave me the list of over 2000 names and contact info of volunteers. Many are Reagan Democrats and even Republicans, true swing voters who will determine the outcome of the general election. Per Hillary Clinton’s request, I sent them an email asking for their help in taking back the White House and to go to www.HillaryClinton.com and sign up to support Obama. WOW what a full inbox I had 3 hours later. Many asked to be removed from my list. This was the 40th email I have sent them for Hillary since February and I have never had so many unsubscribe requests.


but last week in CA i found many clinton supporters going to obama since hillary said to

I don't think BO is going to carry Ohio...I also live in Ohio. Also the response to your requests gives a good ideas of how the election is going to go. California may go to Obama. However, two very large groups in CA are Latinos and seniors. So those might be the blocs to watch.

Even though people here are many McCain supporters now, If McCain doesn't get on the stick and get a coherent message out..He won't win.

[hillarymyhero]

These are the comments I get when I talk to Hillary supporters.

1. They think she conceded.

2. They do not know about the issue of "selected" versus "elected". When I explain it they do know understand the implications of this behavior and what it means for the future.

3. True democracy cannot happen with only 2 parties. Other countries have several to more fully represent the diversity of the population.

4. There is a concern about Roe v Wade.

5. There is lack of understanding about McCain and the war.

6. Concern Mccain is too old and has cognitive problems and sees some of his gaffes as evidence of that.

7. The belief that Obama will be okay as long as he selects knowledgable people for his cabinet.

8. Obama can't be any worse than Bush.

The people I talk to are die hard supporters but do not know the facts. This information needs to get out and to be presented in a format that is similiar to how a lawyer makes his case.

I work a couple of jobs (One is at a Federal facility and it is a felony to talk about politics and I am blocked from forums).

I am sure there are probably handouts with talking points and evidence I can present. Can someone send me some information? I mainly talk to researchers and they want the evidence.

I also want to meet with the 2 superdelagates in Dallas and any hand outs would be great.Lynn...Sorry I have to disappoint you here on this forum......

No matter how much you advertised in favour of Obama, all die hard Hillary supporters here on this forum will NEER EVER vote for Obama...they will vote for McCain....

And MIND YOU Mcain's age is not an issue here either. His sense of judgement is much much higher than Obama who absolutely lacks any sense of Judgement.

I believe Obama will be worst than Bush and we can not afford to have 4 more years of a worst person than Bush. McCain is patriot, best for economy....and plus all of us have the following plans...

Plan A Hillary 08
Plan B McCain 08
Plan C Hillary 2012.....
Nobama, never ever over our dead bodies.....I hope you need to remind yourself this and if you feel the need of advertisement for Nobama , you can advertise all the above points in Obama.com with ease, we will never vote for Obama and please, do not even try to convince us. I am already sick and tired of Obamabots trying to convince me to support Obama. Why don't they leave us alone and mind their own business? and focus on their own supporters? We know McCain is the best choice for us....Nobama, never ever.

For those who wishes to write Hillary in, their votes will go to Obama...And in that way they're helping Obama....no offence

The only way to go against Obama is to vote for McCain and then Hillary will be back 2012......

Wake up people. regards

[hillarymyhero]

I am also not voting for McCain. I have not yet gotten to the point of getting drunk and voting for Obama. I will either write in Hillary or leave it blank for right now.

I do believe Hillary Clinton is our best bet for the long haul.

Drilling off shore for oil is essentially not going to anything but make the oil companies more money.It will add less than one percent to the total world oil market... same with ANWAR. There is no US oil market, it is the world oil market and prices are determined by the world market, supply and demand, speculators, and the value of the dollar. It will take 10 years for off shore oil to even be pumped.

We could probably do more with developing better hybrids over the 10 years than we can putting more holes in the ground somewhere.

Obama's plan to help the auto industry with their health care in exchange for investment in hybrid technology is a farce. If we had universal health care then the obligation for companies to provide affordable health care would be easier since every body would be covered.

It just might be an interesting summer.that is your own choice to vote whomever you wish, but, I believe whoever cares for Hillary to come back 2012 will vote for McCain.....

Remember
Plan A Hillary 08
Plan B McCain 08
Plan C Hillary 2012.....

Nobama, never ever, PUMA..party unity my arse....

PS:- Please, Trolls (Obama supporters on this thread) get a life and leave us alone. Focus on Obama.com. Go, hurry up, Obama needs your love, attention and care......

And please, with all due respect...I only wish to see my like minded people who share my plans....

And my plans and this forum's plans are

Plan A Hillary 08
Plan B McCain 08
Plan C Hillary 2012.....

Nobama never ever....Please, trolls on this thread try not to waste your precious time here and no matter what you say, I will never ever be convinced......Thanks fo ryour precious time.

[hillarymyhero]

Remember
Plan A Hillary 08
Plan B McCain 08
Plan C Hillary 2012.....

Nobama, never ever, PUMA..party unity my arse....

PS:- Please, Trolls (Obama supporters on this thread) get a life and leave us alone. Focus on Obama.com. Go, hurry up, Obama needs your love, attention and care......

And please, with all due respect...I only wish to see my like minded people who share my plans....

And my plans and this forum's plans are

Plan A Hillary 08
Plan B McCain 08
Plan C Hillary 2012.....

Nobama never ever....Please, trolls on this thread try not to waste your precious time here and no matter what you say, I will never ever be convinced......Thanks fo ryour precious time.

[trading wine for beer]

Lynn...Sorry I have to disappoint you here on this forum......

No matter how much you advertised in favour of Obama, all die hard Hillary supporters here on this forum will NEER EVER vote for Obama...they will vote for McCain....



For those who wishes to write Hillary in, their votes will go to Obama...And in that way they're helping Obama....no offence

The only way to go against Obama is to vote for McCain and then Hillary will be back 2012......

Wake up people. regards

All die hard Hillary supporters actually will not be voting McCain. Some will. Some will write Hillary in. And some will stay at home. Some will even vote for Obama under certian circumstances. It's one thing to state your position and opinion... it's another to think that "ALL" share it. One of the great things about our world is we don't all think alike, nor to we share the same perspectives. It's also makes things more challenging.. but real. To suggest that not voting for McCain somehow makes one "less of a Hillary supporter" is just as ridiculous as suggesting that if you are against the Iraq war, you are against the USA and unpatriotic (i.e. enter little Bush).

And, an Obama supporter will insist that a write in vote for Hillary is a vote for McCain. So, it really depends on who you talk to on that one. I believe in voting for who you really want as president.... I honor my vote, and won't stoop to voting for someone that doesn't share my core values, or even come close to it just to block someone else. This is why I'm writing Hillary in. She's who I want. She's who I'm voting for. McCain and Obama can play tug-a-war with my write-in ballot... because, depending on who I tell about my 'write-in', they are convinced the vote will go to the other candidate. :rolleyes:

[hillarymyhero]

All die hard Hillary supporters actually will not be voting McCain. Some will. Some will write Hillary in. And some will stay at home. Some will even vote for Obama under certian circumstances. It's one thing to state your position and opinion... it's another to think that "ALL" share it. One of the great things about our world is we don't all think alike, nor to we share the same perspectives. It's also makes things more challenging.. but real. To suggest that not voting for McCain somehow makes one "less of a Hillary supporter" is just as ridiculous as suggesting that if you are against the Iraq war, you are against the USA and unpatriotic (i.e. enter little Bush).

And, an Obama supporter will insist that a write in vote for Hillary is a vote for McCain. So, it really depends on who you talk to on that one. I believe in voting for who you really want as president.... I honor my vote, and won't stoop to voting for someone that doesn't share my core values, or even come close to it just to block someone else. This is why I'm writing Hillary in. She's who I want. She's who I'm voting for. McCain and Obama can play tug-a-war with my write-in ballot... because, depending on who I tell about my 'write-in', they are convinced the vote will go to the other candidate. :rolleyes:that's the main reason I am asking you NOT to waste time on me or others who wish to vote for McCain.....

Yes, this forum's plan is

Plan A Hillary08
Plan B McCain08
Plan C Hillary 2012.

No, ifs or buts...

I do not go to Obama.com because I do not wish to convince those Obamabots for McCain or for Hillary.

Please, try to save your self this big trouble and do not convince me or others for Obama....No way, IMPOSSIBLE.

We (die hard) Hillary supporters want Hillary to comeback 2012 and if, we will write Her in or vote for Obama, then there is no way for Hillary to come back 2012.

Nobama creates all these fear factors and is not good for security.
McCain is good for economy and for war against terrorism..

Obama is fake and hypocrite...
PUMA....Party Unity my ARSE...

Trust me, I am absolutely NOT in the mood of discussing with Trolls or with those who are trying to convince me for write in or for staying home or for voting for OBAMA.....I am NOT.....

So, again with all due respect, No more discussions on this convincing business.

As I have made myself very much clear ....regards...And thanks for NOT wasting your precious time on convincing me for Nobama.

[trading wine for beer]

that's the main reason I am asking you NOT to waste time on me or others who wish to vote for McCain.....

Yes, this forum's plan is

Plan A Hillary08
Plan B McCain08
Plan C Hillary 2012.

No, ifs or buts...

I do not go to Obama.com because I do not wish to convince those Obamabots for McCain or for Hillary.

Please, try to save your self this big trouble and do not convince me or others for Obama....No way, IMPOSSIBLE.

We (die hard) Hillary supporters want Hillary to comeback 2012 and if, we will write Her in or vote for Obama, then there is no way for Hillary to come back 2012.

Nobama creates all these fear factors and is not good for security.
McCain is good for economy and for war against terrorism..

Obama is fake and hypocrite...
PUMA....Party Unity my ARSE...

Trust me, I am absolutely NOT in the mood of discussing with Trolls or with those who are trying to convince me for write in or for staying home or for voting for OBAMA.....I am NOT.....

So, again with all due respect, No more discussions on this convincing business.

As I have made myself very much clear ....regards...And thanks for NOT wasting your precious time on convincing me for Nobama.

Actually, this is a pro-Hillary forum, and not a "Hillary supporters for McCain" forum... Unless Murray changed it. And just because someone doesn't want to vote McCain doesn't make them a troll. and if you didn't want the discussion... you shouldn't have started the thread. :rolleyes:. That's actually what trolls do... they start a topic and then flame everyone and tell them to shut up. Interesting... And by the way, I've never been an Obama supporter, and I am not one today, nor will I be one tomorrow. So, if you don't like the discussion, then stop clicking on this thread and reading it. It's silly to get mad about a continued discussion that you keep coming back to (and one that you started in the first place).

[foxyladi]

Well that stupid video that moveon put out about the 100 years in Iraq got a lot of people agreeing with it. I was watching my local news last night and they interviewed a couple who said they agreed. The reporter mentioned there were some who thought it was over the top but things like this don't help.:confused:
If the video plays in your area, call you TV station and let them know what you think. Maybe you will even get a chance to be interviewed. I called this morning. They took my name and phone number down.

call and complain it helps

[NYVIN4HILL08]

i have converted several hillay supporters and democrats who were going to just go along and vote party line because they are being fooled by the media. once i spoke to them they switched from voting for obbammer to not voting at all or joining citizens for mccain. get out there and email people you know and speak to them and tell them the truth about obbammer and why he is bad for the country, if you have been on this website for any amount of time you know a lot more about obbammer than the average person, you will be surprised of what you can tell them. lets start getting the truth out now so this will grow exponentionally by november.

if hillary is not nominated , vote mccain

[NYVIN4HILL08]

All die hard Hillary supporters actually will not be voting McCain. Some will. Some will write Hillary in. And some will stay at home. Some will even vote for Obama under certian circumstances. It's one thing to state your position and opinion... it's another to think that "ALL" share it. One of the great things about our world is we don't all think alike, nor to we share the same perspectives. It's also makes things more challenging.. but real. To suggest that not voting for McCain somehow makes one "less of a Hillary supporter" is just as ridiculous as suggesting that if you are against the Iraq war, you are against the USA and unpatriotic (i.e. enter little Bush).

And, an Obama supporter will insist that a write in vote for Hillary is a vote for McCain. So, it really depends on who you talk to on that one. I believe in voting for who you really want as president.... I honor my vote, and won't stoop to voting for someone that doesn't share my core values, or even come close to it just to block someone else. This is why I'm writing Hillary in. She's who I want. She's who I'm voting for. McCain and Obama can play tug-a-war with my write-in ballot... because, depending on who I tell about my 'write-in', they are convinced the vote will go to the other candidate. :rolleyes:


obbammer was not nominated he was selected by the dnc, dean, brazille and the media, hillary had more popular votes than obbammer and was forced out instead of getting her fair chance at the convention. a lot of people are voting for mccain for this reason alone.

obbammer is not going to end the war, he has been flip flopping back and forth and is lying, he will say anything to get elected.

a write-in for hillary is a wasted vote wether it goes to mccain or obbammer, it is better to vote fo mccain than a racist antiamerican liar like obbammer.

john mccain is a true patriotic american.

most people hear are voting american, not party line because they know that obbammer is bad for the country with his marxist, communist, terrorist and racist ties.

in order to ensure that such an untrusty person is not elected most people are voting for mccain if hillary is not nominated.

[trading wine for beer]

obbammer was not nominated he was selected by the dnc, dean, brazille and the media, hillary had more popular votes than obbammer and was forced out instead of getting her fair chance at the convention. a lot of people are voting for mccain for this reason alone.

obbammer is not going to end the war, he has been flip flopping back and forth and is lying, he will say anything to get elected.

a write-in for hillary is a wasted vote wether it goes to mccain or obbammer, it is better to vote fo mccain than a racist antiamerican liar like obbammer.

john mccain is a true patriotic american.

most people hear are voting american, not party line because they know that obbammer is bad for the country with his marxist, communist, terrorist and racist ties.

in order to ensure that such an untrusty person is not elected most people are voting for mccain if hillary is not nominated.

I agree with everything you said, above.. except about the "write-in"... I believe that voting for a candidate that goes against everything I've worked for all my life is more than a wasted vote... it's a wasted history on my part. I'm not voting Obama, I do not trust him. But, I'm not voting McCain, because then I'll be voting against my life work and my personal self. I don't want to just stay home, so I'm voting... but for Hillary. And if she's not on the ballot, then I'll write her in. That's not a wasted vote because I will have voted my conscience. I believe if more people did that, we'd actually have more great leaders in our world. It seems like in most elections, we vote out of fear of the "worst" candidate. So, it seems like our elections are more about voting against someone rather than for someone. That just makes me sad. It's a shame we have to do that... so, I say, no more. I'm voting for the BEST candidate, even if there's no chance that person will become elected.

If you(generalized use... not pointing fingers) actually like McCain, then, that's great. You get to vote for who you think represents your values/path/etc. But, unless Hillary is on the ticket, I'm not as lucky as you.

[NYVIN4HILL08]

So, it seems like our elections are more about voting against someone rather than for someone. That just makes me sad. It's a shame we have to do that... so, I say, no more. I'm voting for the BEST candidate, even if there's no chance that person will become elected.


yes, you are absolutely right, it seems like it has for a long time been choosing the lesser of two evils. I admire your conviction and many people will write-in as you, we all have to vote how as we feel comfortable.

[hillarymyhero]

Actually, this is a pro-Hillary forum, and not a "Hillary supporters for McCain" forum... Unless Murray changed it. And just because someone doesn't want to vote McCain doesn't make them a troll. and if you didn't want the discussion... you shouldn't have started the thread. :rolleyes:. That's actually what trolls do... they start a topic and then flame everyone and tell them to shut up. Interesting... And by the way, I've never been an Obama supporter, and I am not one today, nor will I be one tomorrow. So, if you don't like the discussion, then stop clicking on this thread and reading it. It's silly to get mad about a continued discussion that you keep coming back to (and one that you started in the first place)., Yes this is Hillary forum....BUT

the main reason almost all of die hard Hillary supporters are supporting McCain 08 for Hillary 2012....if, Hillary is NOT the nominee in August....

Nobama stole this nomination from us, and plus we can not trust his inexperienced , flip flopping change. He is, too dangerous for America....

And If you will write in Hillary, that vote will go to Nobama and will help him...The way DNC and Obamabots along with Nobama disgraced Hillary, we can't forget and forgive......

whoever has a lil bit of sense , will definitely vote for McCain...Nobama is not our god, and he will make chaos and our economy has got nothing to do with any President, unless it is Hillary, trust me nobody can fix all these issues, these issues will be solved with time, always it happens , there is a cycle of recession and then again things get fixed.....

McCain is our war hero, spotless, honest, straight talk, charismatic,intelligent and with values......maverick...he is absolutely NOT Bush....he is a great man with greatness of character...with badge of honor.

Nobama is hypocrite, typical same old, same old dirty politics, flip flopping, confused, with less intelligent and dim personality with full of flaws, lack of absolute judgement....lies, and creating this fear ful tactics against McCain.....Nobama is the continuation of Bush, he always reminds me of Bush.......and we can not afford 4 more years of Bush......

Not only that , just read the directions of this Forum and decide your self......

We need to make sure our Hillary will come back in 2012...the only way to make sure this will happen,if, we make sure McCain 08 .....

FORUM'S DIRECTION: Plan A (Hillary 2008), Plan B (McCain 2008), Plan C (Hillary 2012)

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I take it from the dialog here, we are still considering the campaign suspended, not conceded, so this forum is still the place to strategize to turn Supers against Obama and to Hillary. Murray or somebody can correct me if I am wrong. This is still the Hillary For President forum and nothing has changed except Hillary's lip service to shut up the DNC, while she can still win in Denver when Obama self-destructs - and he will.

In the meantime, as long as she does not concede, our efforts at scaring the DNC into changing their minds, including threats to vote for McCain, write her in, change to Independent and staying at home. As long as the campaign is suspended, her campaign is still alive, just suspended - her delegates are still hers and the supers can still change their mind.

Because the suspension is now official, starting Sunday morning, the campaign officially begins:

ObamaAlternatives.org supported by the PAC (527) TakeBackDemocrats.org and including:

ClintonSupportersForMcCain.org
HillaryClintonWritein.org
ObamaAlternatives.org/IndependentCampaign
ObamaAlternatives.org/StayAtHomeCampaign

Make sure your decision(s) are registered at the site.....I hope I am clear now....

At the end, choice is your's...to cast your vote for who ever you wish to, but, before casting your vote, remind yourself, that we care for our country first ,then any stupid party.....

America first, and then ourselves....Just like McCain who proved himself to be great war hero......he put his country first and then himself...........

[reddirtgirl]

Lynn...Sorry I have to disappoint you here on this forum......

No matter how much you advertised in favour of Obama, all die hard Hillary supporters here on this forum will NEER EVER vote for Obama...they will vote for McCain....

And MIND YOU Mcain's age is not an issue here either. His sense of judgement is much much higher than Obama who absolutely lacks any sense of Judgement.

I believe Obama will be worst than Bush and we can not afford to have 4 more years of a worst person than Bush. McCain is patriot, best for economy....and plus all of us have the following plans...

Plan A Hillary 08
Plan B McCain 08
Plan C Hillary 2012.....
Nobama, never ever over our dead bodies.....I hope you need to remind yourself this and if you feel the need of advertisement for Nobama , you can advertise all the above points in Obama.com with ease, we will never vote for Obama and please, do not even try to convince us. I am already sick and tired of Obamabots trying to convince me to support Obama. Why don't they leave us alone and mind their own business? and focus on their own supporters? We know McCain is the best choice for us....Nobama, never ever.

For those who wishes to write Hillary in, their votes will go to Obama...And in that way they're helping Obama....no offence

The only way to go against Obama is to vote for McCain and then Hillary will be back 2012......

Wake up people. regards


Tania,
Wow do I appreciate your enthusiasm (sorta mirrors my own:p), and I TOTALLY 1000% agree with all the points you make. But with all due respect, I think you have misunderstood Lynne's post. I know Lynne personally and NO ONE despises BOzo more than her (except perhaps myself!) . I believe her post was meant to let us know about the confusion and misunderstandings that abound out there due to media/BOzo misrepresentation and lies. She is voting McCain if Hillary is not the nominee.

I know there are trolls amongst us, and we must ferret them OUT, but one thing that divides people is attacking each other. We should put our energies into getting the TRUTH out there, and getting Hillary into where she belongs - the White House.

We need to counteract the misunderstandings outlined in Lynne's post. These are things she is hearing from Hillary supporters who are being lied to and misled. How do we best counter their arguments? I know how *I* counter them in a one-on-one discussion, but we MUST get our message out there somehow, in some kind of organized manner. Just Say No Deal, PUMA, and other organizations are making some headway and actually getting some television airtime. We have to step up our efforts so that the info gets out to the people who watch only CNN or MSNBC, or read newspapers.

It is downright scary how BOzo is BUYING his way to the White House! I liken him to nothing less than Hitler. Remember how Hitler had people believing in his crazy rhetoric? It's like a re-run with BOzo. HE IS ABSOLUTELY THE SCARIEST PERSON I HAVE RUN ACROSS IN MY ENTIRE LIFE!!

So have no fear, Lynne is not a troll. However, I'm not so sure about "trading wine". I agree with you there also. S/he is sadly mistaken that a write-in for Hillary will NOT go to the thug. But there is no changing his/her mind, so it's not worth the trouble to try. It is a fact that many states GIVE WRITE-IN VOTES TO THE CANDIDATE ON THE BALLOT, but trading wine will never understand this.

Folks, this is very serious business, and time is getting very short. We MUST defeat this thug who is buying everything and everyone who stands in his way. What can we do, other than what is already being done???

[hillarymyhero]

Tania,
Wow do I appreciate your enthusiasm (sorta mirrors my own:p), and I TOTALLY 1000% agree with all the points you make. But with all due respect, I think you have misunderstood Lynne's post. I know Lynne personally and NO ONE despises BOzo more than her (except perhaps myself!) . I believe her post was meant to let us know about the confusion and misunderstandings that abound out there due to media/BOzo misrepresentation and lies. She is voting McCain if Hillary is not the nominee.

I know there are trolls amongst us, and we must ferret them OUT, but one thing that divides people is attacking each other. We should put our energies into getting the TRUTH out there, and getting Hillary into where she belongs - the White House.

We need to counteract the misunderstandings outlined in Lynne's post. These are things she is hearing from Hillary supporters who are being lied to and misled. How do we best counter their arguments? I know how *I* counter them in a one-on-one discussion, but we MUST get our message out there somehow, in some kind of organized manner. Just Say No Deal, PUMA, and other organizations are making some headway and actually getting some television airtime. We have to step up our efforts so that the info gets out to the people who watch only CNN or MSNBC, or read newspapers.

It is downright scary how BOzo is BUYING his way to the White House! I liken him to nothing less than Hitler. Remember how Hitler had people believing in his crazy rhetoric? It's like a re-run with BOzo. HE IS ABSOLUTELY THE SCARIEST PERSON I HAVE RUN ACROSS IN MY ENTIRE LIFE!!

So have no fear, Lynne is not a troll. However, I'm not so sure about "trading wine". I agree with you there also. S/he is sadly mistaken that a write-in for Hillary will NOT go to the thug. But there is no changing his/her mind, so it's not worth the trouble to try. It is a fact that many states GIVE WRITE-IN VOTES TO THE CANDIDATE ON THE BALLOT, but trading wine will never understand this.

Folks, this is very serious business, and time is getting very short. We MUST defeat this thug who is buying everything and everyone who stands in his way. What can we do, other than what is already being done???Thanks for your appreciation...

No, dear I am not saying that Lynn or anyone else is a troll....Perhaps I am just venting out my feelings to an extreme.....but, I am sorry ,if, they might have caused any inconvenience.

At the end, everyone has the right to their own opinion or choice to vote or support for any candidate they wish to.

That's the way democracy is.....

CHEERS.

[RAFREE]

The best way to avoid this sort of hard feelings and speculation is to report any suspicions you have privately to a moderator or to Murray. Let the mods sort it out. They will have a close look and get rid of the trolls where necessary. Posting names right on the board and speculating especially when anybody can be wrong about this will just get people riled at each other.

Going to a mod in private with your concerns is the best way. Then just ignore it. Trust me they will look into it and act wherever necessary. :)

This way you all can stay focused on helping Hillary and with the efforts for the Denver.

[reddirtgirl]

Thanks for your appreciation...

No, dear I am not saying that Lynn or anyone else is a troll....Perhaps I am just venting out my feelings to an extreme.....but, I am sorry ,if, they might have caused any inconvenience.

At the end, everyone has the right to their own opinion or choice to vote or support for any candidate they wish to.

That's the way democracy is.....

CHEERS.

:):):):)

[hillarymyhero]

The best way to avoid this sort of hard feelings and speculation is to report any suspicions you have privately to a moderator or to Murray. Let the mods sort it out. They will have a close look and get rid of the trolls where necessary. Posting names right on the board and speculating especially when anybody can be wrong about this will just get people riled at each other.

Going to a mod in private with your concerns is the best way. Then just ignore it. Trust me they will look into it and act wherever necessary. :)

This way you all can stay focused on helping Hillary and with the efforts for the Denver.Yes, You are absolutely right.....

Perhaps I cannot accept it when I see Hillary campaigning for Obama. I never thought about Hillary losing this election, this was her year and I am still hopeful that she might get our nomination in Denver.....

I waited for this year to see a woman President for 8 years.......and I feel like my hopes are gone....:(

[Lynne]

Lynn...Sorry I have to disappoint you here on this forum......

No matter how much you advertised in favour of Obama, all die hard Hillary supporters here on this forum will NEER EVER vote for Obama...they will vote for McCain....

And MIND YOU Mcain's age is not an issue here either. His sense of judgement is much much higher than Obama who absolutely lacks any sense of Judgement.

I believe Obama will be worst than Bush and we can not afford to have 4 more years of a worst person than Bush. McCain is patriot, best for economy....and plus all of us have the following plans...

Plan A Hillary 08
Plan B McCain 08
Plan C Hillary 2012.....
Nobama, never ever over our dead bodies.....I hope you need to remind yourself this and if you feel the need of advertisement for Nobama , you can advertise all the above points in Obama.com with ease, we will never vote for Obama and please, do not even try to convince us. I am already sick and tired of Obamabots trying to convince me to support Obama. Why don't they leave us alone and mind their own business? and focus on their own supporters? We know McCain is the best choice for us....Nobama, never ever.

For those who wishes to write Hillary in, their votes will go to Obama...And in that way they're helping Obama....no offence

The only way to go against Obama is to vote for McCain and then Hillary will be back 2012......

Wake up people. regards
Tania,

Thanks for the resounding support. When you campaign do you have to worry about being charged with a felony? To go to Denver I had to get clarification from govt authorities to make sure I am not charged with a felony in the event I am arrested for any reason in Denver. Every year I go through a background check and any arrest would show up and could be evaluated as a violation of federal regulations. Then I am charged with a felony, barred from federal employment and any type of funding, which I need to do the type of work I do. Thus no more career.

Outside of work I have to try to find personal email addresses. Essentially I can only send information to my population via their personal email from my personal email from home. I do not have the luxury of conversation. What I email has to be concise and geared toward someone who knows nothing other than what the MSM tells them. This pop has tightly knit families and extended family across several states This pop also has a tightly knit community. So when I share something it goes beyond the one family. It goes across a large community who tend to be misinformed Clinton supporters. If there is already a consice press realease giving the logic and the facts of our position then why spend time re-inventing the wheel when I could invest the time in other efforts. I see talking points about the facts but I have not found one that addresses the logic and the implication of these facts. I need something that states "BO did xxxx and this results in a future concern for xxxx. Thus don't vote for BHO."

It is unfortunate that a forum member is treated with little respect and appreciation of their situation, such as the way you addressed Amy.