Why do you use this forum? What function do you want it to serve?

[CGP]

The forum is currently in a state of flux. Hillary is not the presumptive nominee and yet the forum's original aim was to support her all the way to the presidency! Given that BO has been installed as the presumptive nominee, the forum has been forced to shift focus.

Feedback wanted...

Why do you use this forum?

What direction do you see the forum moving?

What do you like/dislike about the forum?

Any suggested improvements?

[Charlie Brown]

Mine is to make sure Obama isnt elected...Period!

[Meg]

Mine is to make sure Obama isnt elected...Period!


Yeah I think that's about all we can completely agree on for now... until the after the convention at least. After that we can decide if it begins to focus on McCain or not.

[mslas4hillary]

I use this forum to connect with others and to keep the word out that we aren't voting for Obama..I'm also trying to help Hillary for denver. My only suggestion is that people stick to the forum's plan of Hillary 08' or McCain 08' & Hillary 012'

[Ijane]

Why do you use this forum? Support from like minded thinking people and up to the minute election information

What direction do you see the forum moving? Forward!!

What do you like/dislike about the forum? There is nothing that I dislike.

Any suggested improvements? I think you're doing a great job! Please don't go!

[VotingHillary]

Murray,

This forum is my oasis from the desert of disinformation by the media. This is my home where I visit with all my brothers and sisters in support of Hillary. And this is also my war room..where I learn what to do to make sure our nation isnt sold out to Soros/Obama. I want us to come up with more ideas on how to win in August...and after August if the DNC annoints Obama...how to expose the emperor that has no clothes!

[marcelmarcel]

The forum is currently in a state of flux. Hillary is not the presumptive nominee and yet the forum's original aim was to support her all the way to the presidency! Given that BO has been installed as the presumptive nominee, the forum has been forced to shift focus.

As you said many times: there is no nominee until the convention.
The aim has not changed: to support her all the way to the presidency! This is what we are doing, and we need to keep doing! Two months are a long time!

[Hillary'sVegasFan]

I like this forum, because of all the info that I gain...


I really like the Just Say No Deal link at the top, maybe a daily call to action would be good and I don't know if something more can be done with the speed of how long it takes to get access to discussions.

[Pepper]

Why do you use this forum? Support from like minded thinking people and up to the minute election information

What direction do you see the forum moving? Forward!!

What do you like/dislike about the forum? There is nothing that I dislike.

Any suggested improvements? I think you're doing a great job! Please don't go!

I agree!!!! I love this forum. Please, Murray, keep the forum going if possible. I for one will be lost without it. I want Hillary to go to Denver. If something happens and she doesn't, well we have 2012. People have developed close bonds on this forum. We all still have Hillary in common. That is why this board has been such a success. I know you must be proud that what you started has become such a success! I thank you for that!

[CGP]

I don't know if something more can be done with the speed of how long it takes to get access to discussions.

Do you mean the waiting period for getting a new account approved after registering?

[Charlie Brown]

Murray,

This forum is my oasis from the desert of disinformation by the media. This is my home where I visit with all my brothers and sisters in support of Hillary. And this is also my war room..where I learn what to do to make sure our nation isnt sold out to Soros/Obama. I want us to come up with more ideas on how to win in August...and after August if the DNC annoints Obama...how to expose the emperor that has no clothes!

That also for me...I have been on here all day today and I havent done so in a long time...I dont know what triggered it really...guess DH went to Iowa City and I had time to waste...LOL! well not waste...But you know what i mean...:o

[mkreyns]

News, moral support, campaign unity for Hillary or McCain are my main objectives here. Well, it actually keeps my sanity too.

We need to stay together to make sure that Obama is not elected and support McCain if we have to do that.

[SadStateOfAffairs]

Why do you use this forum? To learn and discuss opinions.

What direction do you see the forum moving? Elect Hillary. De-Select Barack.

What do you like/dislike about the forum? I like the vast amount of knowledge.

Any suggested improvements? Get membership up to 10,000.;)

Murray,

You have done a wonderful job maintaining this site. It's like a hide-a-way from the assult of the media.

Don't forget to donate to the forum everyone. Just a little bit each month goes a long ways!;)

[rob3gdd]

get latest info the MSM doesnt show

[mslas4hillary]

Do you mean the waiting period for getting a new account approved after registering?

I agree, I think it's too long...many people won't come back because of the wait. And please keep this forum going, It feels really comforting after a long day to come home and post/read here.

[Tom Terrific]

I came here originally because I felt alone in my support of Hillary. I needed to talk, or at least listen, to other people who were for her.

Now that her nomination is even less likely, I need it even more.

And I come here for news, and to organize. I don't watch the MSM anymore.

I hope you stick around until August, at least. Until BO is the official nominee, nothing is final.

[Bad Kitty]

I say Hillary has not given up her campaign so we ride this wave until August. I mainly come here for news that I can't readily find.

[Charlie Brown]

Murray What do you want from the forum???

[Sylvia]

I like finding information about Hillary and what is happening or not regarding her chances at the convention.

I do not like the threads that are based on rumors and gossip with no basis in reality.

[Mrsawd]

To try to help Get info to help Hillary and to make sure do every thing to get NO OBama info out to the Public !

I will say I had 3 phone calls just tonight asking Me If Hillary was out of this race !

I told all three as to my knowledge she has never given up her Delegates We have High Hopes for a change in Denver In AUGUST!

[Three Wickets]

Be the flame for seeing Hillary to the Presidency, even if it takes four more years.

The silent majority can give Hillary the popular vote lead, but it can not defend her from politicians, business, and media positioned against her.

While Huffpo, Kos and so many others were defending and lifting up BO, virtually no one was there as a shield, to set the record straight, for Hillary.

You've done a rare and wonderful thing Murray, on a skillfully designed platform, to bring the village Hill needs behind her.

I hope you will go on and on. As long as you're here, so will I think a great many others.

[ZY123]

Are you sure you want to know?

Honestly sometimes I think I'm addicted to coming here....take a break from my work, visit the forum.

My original purpose was 100% Hillary - I really really wanted this to be the year.......anyway that didn't work out (barring something big happening). So now I want to make sure Obama is not elected. I also like engaging political discussions....from people with ALL opinions. If everyone has the same opinion or if people gang up on someone with a non-popular opinion instead of discussing it rationally that I find dissatisfaction with. I don't want to have to worry about every post I make being taken personally or have to self censor my posts for that reason....that's my only frustration.

[Ebinger]

This forum is a safe haven away from all those irritating Obama-bot trolls as well as a clearinghouse for election info not corrupted by the pro-BHO MSM.

[CGP]

I also like engaging political discussions....from people with ALL opinions. If everyone has the same opinion or if people gang up on someone with a non-popular opinion instead of discussing it rationally that I find dissatisfaction with. I don't want to have to worry about every post I make being taken personally or have to self censor my posts for that reason....that's my only frustration.

I agree. More such discussions would be a good thing.

Variety in opinion is far more interesting/engaging then when everyone thinks exactly the same way. If everyone has exactly the same view, there really isn't anything to discuss!

[Charlie Brown]

I think people are pretty fair...The only time there is problems is when we are stressed..Pretty much everyone gets that...Over all this is a great place and you can choose to ignore a post that doesnt please you...I have been on forums ( not Political) that are down right mean and clicky...This is mild im tellin ya....

[ZY123]

I agree. More such discussions would be a good thing.

Variety in opinion is far more interesting/engaging then when everyone thinks exactly the same way. If everyone has exactly the same view, there really isn't anything to discuss!

That would be great! :)

There are a lot of political topics that come up all the time....ones that may or may not be related to this election but that I find interesting.

I missed the actual discussion on FISA (if we had one). I posted a thread about DU's discussion on FISA but I'm not sure if we had our own discussion or not.

We can talk about issues without even needing to focus on BO and JM I think. (maybe?)

[Area504]

Mine is to make sure Obama isnt elected...Period!
Took the words right out of my (fingers?)

[skc1976]

Honestly, myself and friends keep out hope that something will happen and Hillary will become the nominee. But, if that doesn't happen, then I'm ready to do everything I can to ensure that McCain wins and Obama doesn't. I cannot vote for someone that's against America so bad, and that thinks he's perfection personified.

I hope you keep the board as well. I respect everyone's opinions and I think it's a great way to do all we can to help Hillary, as well as McCain if it comes to it.

[CGP]

We can talk about issues without even needing to focus on BO and JM I think. (maybe?)

Absolutely. General political topics or human interest topics are fine.

The subforum below allows new threads about general topics:

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/forumdisplay.php?f=12

[Charlie Brown]

And a final note....I Love you all....Now goodnight...sweet dreams...♥

[ZY123]

Absolutely. General political topics or human interest topics are fine.

The subforum below allows new threads about general topics:

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/forumdisplay.php?f=12

So should general political discussions go here or in the general section?

I haven't been good in keeping up with the news (in fact I've totally blacked out all news coverage) since MT/SD.....interestingly I don't miss news programs though I like reading what's going on here.

[samkm]

Why do you use this forum? To learn and discuss opinions.

What direction do you see the forum moving? Elect Hillary. De-Select Barack.

What do you like/dislike about the forum? I like the vast amount of knowledge.

Any suggested improvements? Get membership up to 10,000.;)

Murray,

You have done a wonderful job maintaining this site. It's like a hide-a-way from the assult of the media.

Don't forget to donate to the forum everyone. Just a little bit each month goes a long ways!;)

Well put. Same set goes for me.

[hillarymyhero]

I use this forum to connect with others and to keep the word out that we aren't voting for Obama..I'm also trying to help Hillary for denver. My only suggestion is that people stick to the forum's plan of Hillary 08' or McCain 08' & Hillary 012'yes, this is my reason as well to visit this forum and to engage with my like minded fellas....

Also, this forum gives me courage and base to motivate for Hillary more and more and to spread this favor in public other than this forum.

I get all the info, points and views from this forum and then use them when I go out to campaign for Hillary 08 and Hillary 2012.....

And one more thing is I ONLY come to this forum daily. Because I feel comfortable in sharing mutual feelings of loss and joy and also this is the only forum which is giving me true info, CNN and MSNBC are totally unreliable.

And after Denver, whatever Murray will decide we will respect that decision for the right direction of this forum and will work for that direction and destination.:)

[lalene]

This forum was and still is very therapeutic for me! I do not have any friends that shares the same political views as I do, so I find it hard to talk to them about politics. To make matters even worse, they refuse to listen to anyone that criticizes BO and they do not even do research about the issues/candidates (which explains why they support the candidate with the flowery rhetoric). With that being said, I come to this forum to vent and connect with other members for support. Also, this forum is a very good source for up to date news and information about the election.

Furthermore, I think this forum helps get out the truth. So many people do not know about the corrupted DNC, media bias, and all of Obama's flaws - including my best friend. OMG! I could go on but I might say something I would regret later.

THANK YOU MURRAY AND MEMBERS! YOU ALLL KEEP ME SANE!

[ZY123]

Here are a couple of my suggestions to improve the forum. I'm not saying I don't like it (quite the contrary I think it's great)...these are just a couple of ways I think it could be better. :)


1. I think for there are too many sub-forums....I would go to the general topics but I look down and see all those other forums and for some reason I don't ever look in them. Could there just be one General forum and one BO forum with lots of topics? I don't know.......it's just that for me I don't feel like searching through all those sub-forums to try find something interesting.

2. I see what people are saying when they say that people shouldn't put down other people's voting choices but this is what I think happens a lot. Someone #1 says they're not voting McCain. Someone #2 makes an argument about why #1 should vote McCain. Someone #1 decides this must be a personal attack on them and calls Someone #2 disrespectful. So both parties are at fault....Someone #1 is playing what I call the "disrespect" card....play that card and it's like the straw man...the other person looks like a jerk so it doesn't matter whether they were arguing rationally or really being disrespectful. I'm not sure how to fix this...it's just something I see happening.

[CGP]

So should general political discussions go here or in the general section?

I haven't been good in keeping up with the news (in fact I've totally blacked out all news coverage) since MT/SD.....interestingly I don't miss news programs though I like reading what's going on here.

Either is ok. Though posting it in the main room will probably ensure it gets more coverage/attention.

[CGP]

I agree, I think it's too long...many people won't come back because of the wait. And please keep this forum going, It feels really comforting after a long day to come home and post/read here.

Yes, I will improve on that. Previously the authorization was automatic but we have trolls to thank for having to change that much easier system! There was one night when about 30-40 trolls joined simultaneously to "attack" the forum and that was the last day that authorization was automatic. Now everyone has to wait until I "approve" each individual account.

But the way I see it, it's not a bad way to filter people. Those who are truly serious about posting will do so even if they have to wait a bit. Opportunistic trolls though will be annoyed by having to wait!

[CGP]

Here are a couple of my suggestions to improve the forum. I'm not saying I don't like it (quite the contrary I think it's great)...these are just a couple of ways I think it could be better. :)


1. I think for there are too many sub-forums....I would go to the general topics but I look down and see all those other forums and for some reason I don't ever look in them. Could there just be one General forum and one BO forum with lots of topics? I don't know.......it's just that for me I don't feel like searching through all those sub-forums to try find something interesting.

2. I see what people are saying when they say that people shouldn't put down other people's voting choices but this is what I think happens a lot. Someone #1 says they're not voting McCain. Someone #2 makes an argument about why #1 should vote McCain. Someone #1 decides this must be a personal attack on them and calls Someone #2 disrespectful. So both parties are at fault....Someone #1 is playing what I call the "disrespect" card....play that card and it's like the straw man...the other person looks like a jerk so it doesn't matter whether they were arguing rationally or really being disrespectful. I'm not sure how to fix this...it's just something I see happening.

Suggestions welcomed - thanks!

1. Back in the early days (geez, the forum is not that old!) there were only a few forum divisions. And there was consistent feedback about not being able to find threads and about the need for threads to be archived according to topic/subject. That is what gave rise to all the different subforums with the "main room" being the central meeting point. From a moderation point of view, the fewer forums the better as moving threads into the correct subforum is a very time-consuming task - hence why I am so far behind with clearing out the "main room" which has thousands of threads waiting to be archived. The drawback of having only a few subforums is that really great threads become buried never to be viewed again.

2. What I mean is that people should not "attack" someone else's opinion in an emotional/biased way. There is a difference between rational argument and an emotional attack. I favor the former and don't want to see the latter! So people should feel able to disagree/comment and critique someone's view. It's when this degenerates into, or starts out as, an emotional attack that we see problems arising!

[ZY123]

2. What I mean is that people should not "attack" someone else's opinion in an emotional/biased way. There is a difference between rational argument and an emotional attack. I favor the former and don't want to see the latter! So people should feel able to disagree/comment and critique someone's view. It's when this degenerates into, or starts out as, an emotional attack that we see problems arising!

I agree with what you're saying (I definitely disfavor emotional arguments and favor rational and logical ones); I just think sometimes things are construed to be an emotional attack when they are not....but once the disrespect word comes out it no longer matters....it's something about that word.

[CGP]

I agree with what you're saying (I definitely disfavor emotional arguments and favor rational and logical ones); I just think sometimes things are construed to be an emotional attack when they are not....but once the disrespect word comes out it no longer matters....it's something about that word.

Ultimately each person is responsible for managing their own throughts, feelings and actions. Some people are inherently over-sensitive and will personalize valid criticism/feedback as a personal attack. It's hard to shield such people as they are responsible for how they interpret such comments. Much of this gets down to the individual psychology of each member which none of us can control! The best one can do is to take note of which people display such sensitivities and deliver any feedback/criticism in a way which minimizes the possibility of that feedback being interpreted as a personal attack.

[ZY123]

Ultimately each person is responsible for managing their own throughts, feelings and actions. Some people are inherently over-sensitive and will personalize valid criticism/feedback as a personal attack. It's hard to shield such people as they are responsible for how they interpret such comments. Much of this gets down to the individual psychology of each member which none of us can control! The best one can do is to take note of which people display such sensitivities and deliver any feedback/criticism in a way which minimizes the possibility of that feedback being interpreted as a personal attack.

I know and you know where I'm going next I bet :)....when I have to worry about who's over-sensitive, who's not, and who's going to be offended all the time I end up with the self censorship stuff (which is tiring for me). I realize it can't be resolved......it's an endless circle....there's got to be a happy balance I just think the balance is leaning too far towards the oversensitive side at the moment that's all. (And I'm not at all talking about what you said in that other thread but in general about some recent happenings.)

I also think part of it is the "get to know you" phase of the board has passed and now everyone's starting to really get to know what everyone else is about and finding we don't all agree...which is good IMO....but can lead to disagreements I think.

[Emmie]

I'm fairly new to the board, but still I find myself making it more and more of a daily habit. I think it is important to keep the word and info out there that there are millions of us who will not support Barack Obama. We have to keep investigating, blogging, and working to expose him for who he is.

In the meantime, we still have several weeks until Denver. A few days in politics is an eternity. Let's not give up hope for Hillary as the nominee, but that said, we need to be prepared for after the convention and what our focus will be and at least we all have one thing in common.. NOBAMA!

http://www.myspace.com/hillarydontgiveup

[ZY123]

I'm fairly new to the board, but still I find myself making it more and more of a daily habit. I think it is important to keep the word and info out there that there are millions of us who will not support Barack Obama. We have to keep investigating, blogging, and working to expose him for who he is.

In the meantime, we still have several weeks until Denver. A few days in politics is an eternity. Let's not give up hope for Hillary as the nominee, but that said, we need to be prepared for after the convention and what our focus will be and at least we all have one thing in common.. NOBAMA!

http://www.myspace.com/hillarydontgiveup

Welcome to the board! :D

[Pamcake85]

I'm one of those serious HRC supporters who have been waiting to get in here since the eve of the Puerto Rico primary, so first I have to say HOORAY!!! I'm finally on!!! :)

But yeah, I've been visiting the forum for awhile now. For me, this forum represents a safe haven for me where I can get election-related information. (I used to visit CNN, Newsweek, and MSNBC for my news, but I became truly sick when I visited CNN's site last month and saw a huge Obama ad urging me to donate. That's right about when I started ignoring the mainstream news media.)

Plus, nearly all of my family and friends loooove Obama (for reasons they can't logically explain) and since I refuse to vote for him, it's been driving me nuts. So I enjoy just coming here to hear from like-minded people.

Looking forward to getting to know you guys.

[ZY123]

I'm one of those serious HRC supporters who have been waiting to get in here since the eve of the Puerto Rico primary, so first I have to say HOORAY!!! I'm finally on!!! :)

But yeah, I've been visiting the forum for awhile now. For me, this forum represents a safe haven for me where I can get election-related information. (I used to visit CNN, Newsweek, and MSNBC for my news, but I became truly sick when I visited CNN's site last month and saw a huge Obama ad urging me to donate. That's right about when I started ignoring the mainstream news media.)

Plus, nearly all of my family and friends loooove Obama (for reasons they can't logically explain) and since I refuse to vote for him, it's been driving me nuts. So I enjoy just coming here to hear from like-minded people.

Looking forward to getting to know you guys.

Welcome....glad you're finally on! :)

[Pepper]

I agree, I think it's too long...many people won't come back because of the wait. And please keep this forum going, It feels really comforting after a long day to come home and post/read here.

I can't remember having a problem when I joined. Hmmm,....maybe computer speed for user?

[CGP]

I can't remember having a problem when I joined. Hmmm,....maybe computer speed for user?

No, they are referring to the wait between registering and being able to post. This is because I now manually approve all new registrations - people cannot just automatically post. Sometimes I approve quickly, other times it takes me a while depending on my schedule and energy level! :cool: Previously people could post immediately after they activated their registration but now they have to wait until I provide additional "clearance".

[Kaylin]

agree with those who said they felt alone. from late January-on I'd been watching tv coverage in disbelief of how Hillary was being portrayed when in my mind she was winning every debate on substance. I also think the collective knowledge/efforts of forum members has helped to debunk a lot of the crapola that was floating around, both in the media and on the net.

one of my big concerns, going back years now, is the polarization of America. the extreme right and the extreme left have been tearing this country apart, and one of the things I personally like about the forum is how people with different views and who have voted differently in the past are able to come together and have civil, respectful, discussions. knowing this makes me feel as though together we (and people like us) have a real opportunity to insist on a better quality of political dialogue in this country.

[HRC-UK]

I only had to wait a few hours to be approved, which was fine. I think most people would rather wait to be able to enter a safe environment, than be able to post instantly in an uncontrolled free for all.

I was a reader of the forum for a while before I joined. I would recommend that others who come here a lot just to see whats going on do sign up.

I hope the forum stays as it is for now. After the convention, I dont know.

[lynfreedom]

Everyone had good comments. This is my place to go as I never seem to have time so I can go in real quick, check the headlines to see if there is any quick action that needs to be taken or if there is something that has happened that I need to check into. Even when I have to run out the door, the subject lines give me an idea of what I will be seeing when I have more time on here.

It is also a place where we can come together with strategies to help Hillary. I would like to see more plans turn into action.

I really do not like seeing the Roe vs Wade again and again. There are threads on all the McCain...maybe we can have one sticky of McCain issues that people can go review, then ask when they have more questions.

I use the pm alot to pass research around that some of us might be working on together. I feel safe that it is not being hacked. Heard over a 100 sites got hacked today from Obama group but we still stand.

Murray does a wonderful job of giving us a secure and trolltree, as much as it can be, environment.

and, now I think I am going to get some sleep. I need to live overseas since I have managed to get my hours totally turned around...should be getting up not going to bed.

[Brooke]

Why do you use this forum? To have an outlet for my frustrations, for support, for news, and a place to hang out.

What direction do you see the forum moving? TO DENVER!!! :D

What do you like/dislike about the forum? I like that I have a support group, I love the people, the sense of humor everybody has. And that people will listen to each other when we're frustrated with the campaign. It keeps us from going crazy, I think. I know for me anyway. I feel like you guys are my second family and I've met some of you in person and it's been great. I like the passion we all have and the different plans of action we do. How we organize the letter writing, donating, blogging, etc. It's kept me really involved.

I dislike how some are quick to jump down somebody else's throat if they don't necessarily agree with the topic at hand. Doesn't happen as much in other forums I'm on, but it is disheartening and could put people off.

Any suggested improvements? I think we should have an art section. I'm always looking for new wallpapers and icons and I don't have photoshop or the creativity to do it myself. I think if we had a section where people could post their Pro Hillary (or anything) graphics and all, that would be a lot of fun.

I love this place, I don't want to see it be in flux. I think we have a goal: To prevent Barack Obama from becoming President, continuing to support Hillary, and if Plan A doesn't work, helping elect John McCain. And taking a stand against the media and DNC.

[eyedoc333]

I come here to read good news about Hillary that I hardly ever see on the MSM. The forum has been an oasis from the negativity out there.

I stop by the forum every day, even though I don't always have time to post. I enjoy reading everyones' opinions, personal insights, and connections with the Hillary campaign.

Murray, I hope you will keep this forum going through the general election and beyond. I think we will always have things to discuss of a political nature. If Hillary is not the nominee this year, we can focus on getting things started for 2012! :)

[PuppyDogMom]

M-I-C ... See you real soon!

K-E-Y ... Why? Because we like you!


M - O - U - S - E...

Everybody...sing along!

This is my home base, Murray. I can't get through the day without being here. I would prefer to see the bickering turn into healthy, productive, respectful discussion.

Purpose? To see that Obama never gets anywhere near the White House. And, make sure that Hillary does.

;);)

[Brooke]

I've been in this "forum flux" a few times. The main ALIAS board I was on for years nearly shut down after the show was cancelled but it stayed up and running. As far as I know, I stopped going there over a year ago due to personal fallout with friends on the forum.

My other main forum was started for a racehorse, by his owner and trainer. The horse is no longer running and the owner and trainer are no longer together but the forum is still there and still goes by it's original name even though it's now focused on the owner's other horses. A lot of people left once the owner and trainer split because the trainer was the reason most of the people were there in the first place. But it's still around and still very active.

[pearson]

I work in academia which, as most of you know, is heavily pro-Obama. So this forum was a godsend: to be able to mix with other strongly pro-Hillary citizens, to share and comment on news stories, to advocate for Hillary, to diss Obama, etc.

Now that Obama is the "presumptive nominee," this forum is a place to gather with others who are strongly disappointed and yes, angry. I plan to not vote for Obama and I can say that freely here.

So this forum still serves a purpose and I hope that you, Murray, will maintain this site through the November elections!

Thank you.

[mcgowan.swan]

I use this forum to connect with others and to keep the word out that we aren't voting for Obama..I'm also trying to help Hillary for denver. My only suggestion is that people stick to the forum's plan of Hillary 08' or McCain 08' & Hillary 012'

same here. l love this forum as i dont get news or interaction from anywhere else. i will go whereever you go murray. :):)

[RAFREE]

I come here to keep my focus and to connect! I think there is still much to be accomplished. We've fought a long hard battle and it's easy for people to lose focus and to become discouraged. This is a community where information is shared but, more importantly it is a place people can gather to re energize. It's a great place to remember what we are fighting for and how important it is to not give up. I'm in for the long haul for Hillary, if it takes years, so be it.

Without this place though I surely would feel it was a much harder road to go down. Some of the people here were blogging with me from day one on Hillary's site. We all know what happened over there so Murray by creating this forum you've given everyone a home base!!! I don't think the value of that can be underestimated in any way.

[Vici57]

My reasons are like everyone elses. For moral support, try to get Hillary elected at the convention, and information on Obama. I use some of the information when I am writing to Super Delegates. I love all of the different opinions on all subjects. This is my favorite forum of them all!

[mjoynaples]

I come to the forum to keep up on the current events and really am working to keep Hillary alive in DENVER for the nomination still hopeful ... and working tirelessly for NOBAMA EVER... Plan A HILLARY 2008, B McCain only if have too and 2012 HILLARY we need to start now... if she is not 2008... I also want a return to DEMOCRACY and an end to this disgusting manipulation of this election...working to undo the stupid delgate garbage the dems use ...HILLARY WOULD HAVE BEEN OUR NOMINEE NOW!!!!! there is so much more that needs to be overhauled too... establish a viable 3rd party??

I am hoping we can keep meeting too... also what I miss is Murray, Jayling, Freethinker (although last few days you are around) Kitty NC and some of the "what's REALLY HAPPENING THINGS ... there are more of you may best not to say here..??? because there are hard reads out there and this "unity in NH thing " is making me sick... I WANT HILLLARY TO JUST SAY NO DEAL AND SEE HOW THE FOLKS JOIN HER... and also where are these other like Geraldine F and Harold ICKES and what about lawyers to take on the DNC... and RBC??? if the regular folks knew this stuff they would be wild and some of them are however they do not know what to do...

really want to get that debt down and struggle being over limit and not sure how come we are not able to do this better probably we are all over done... now only come here because feel HRC is infiltrated with bots...

absolutely committed to NOBAMA... miss our rallys for HRC sucess and our prayer vigils etc... lighting candles and she really did win and still stunned the public is buying the BO b.s.....

looking forward to meeting up again later today off to some work and prayer!

thanks everyone...feel appreciated and supported and really enjoy the activity here too... and PUMA and JUST SAY NO DEAL... like the idea of a checklist on front page so we can see what is imperative to be on for each day!

[houna]

I stoped watching the MSM along time ago so I use this forum as an information tool. Also any one who believes in Hillary or resents the decietful way the dnc choose the nominee, have a place to go to. I think the forum should continue its orginal mission till august, then after that a revission of that mission may be in order, or not

[brussell]

The forum is currently in a state of flux. Hillary is not the presumptive nominee and yet the forum's original aim was to support her all the way to the presidency! Given that BO has been installed as the presumptive nominee, the forum has been forced to shift focus.

Feedback wanted...

Why do you use this forum?

What direction do you see the forum moving?

What do you like/dislike about the forum?

Any suggested improvements?

My goals are
1.) Get Hillary nominated at the convention (ensure proper roll call, etc. - everything the Denver Group is about)
2.) Expose the DNC and Democratic Party leaders complicit in turning the primary into an undemocratic selection process.
3.) If Hillary doesn't get the nomination, then it's Nobama time.

I use this forum as my main source of news and information for accomplishing the 3 goals listed above. I pretty much don't watch any propaganda on any of the mainstream media channels/blogs.

I would really like to see the main room "cleaned up" and returned to the way it use to be with mostly factual news information. Right now it's difficult to find the news items.

There should be a separate area for more subjective posts, rants, etc.

[evolin]

I so appreciate a place where I can get new information that is unbiased and real. I also appreciate a place where Hillary supporters do not get insulted just for supporting her and making thoughtful comments.
When this site opened it became a haven from the cruelties of the Obama crowd, but more and more it has been a source of news and hope for the future of this nation. Hope generated by knowing there are many of us that have not swallowed the Koolade.
IF the Democratic party cannot be rescued by a Hillary nomination, I would hope that this site could continue as a force to create a third party.
I believe we are MANY. It is a fact that quite a number of dissatisfied voters do not blog or keep in touch by computer. With some effort and time, I believe these voters can be reached and included in the endeavor to provide a real party that represents voices of the people in general. We need a candidate not selected in smoke filled rooms but elected by the people.
So this site - along with other sites fighting the corruption of the two major parties -could morph into a movement for change.....even after the convention...and beyond.
So it is my hope that this site stays afloat. Thank you Murray for your time and efforts. I appreciate it.

[bangorgirl]

Murray, thank you for this forum. It has been and continues to be a bright spot in dark times, I have learned and continue to learn new stuff. I have never communicated online before this so it has really opened a new world for me. Thanks.

[indigo]

- to get Hillary nominated and to get her the recognition she deserves
- to bring out the truth about Obama that the msm will not

[PCFS1]

Murray, thank you for this forum. It has been and continues to be a bright spot in dark times, I have learned and continue to learn new stuff. I have never communicated online before this so it has really opened a new world for me. Thanks. I so agree, I love this forum. It makes me feel like I am in a loop of Hillary supporters and I need to be close to all of you. After all, we all feel the same way about her. She is so amazing and yet I along with many can not get enough of her. So thank you so much for this forum.

[Dorothy-Texas]

We should make our voices heard at the convention in Denver. We use this forum because nobody knows the REAL BARRACK OBAMA.
We use this forum because we have hope that SOMETHING will come out that
will cause Obama to lose the nomination; because the DNC meeting cheated
Hillary out of the nomination, because IF we don't fight all the way to the convention, this will NOT be a democracy. Because what HAPPEDNED TO AL GORE AND JOHN KERRY in the 2000 election in Florida HAPPENED TO Hillary!
Because Barrack Obama is relatively unknow, and is bad for America. Because
Obama is arrogant and condescending. Because Obama hides behind the race card. Because so many Americans are certain he is a knight in shining armor.
BECAUSE he preaches he is ABOVE the nasty politics; but his campaign played dirty. BECAUSE THE MEDIA TREATED her viciously. BECAUSE THE MEDIA decided for us that they wanted Obama. Because Obama says this is
not the red states, blue states, but the United States, and they DIVIDED the
Dem Party. BECAUSE the MEDIA doesn't seem to care about TONY RESCO, REVEREND WRIGHT. BECAUSE Obama REALLY doesn't care about Hillary Clinton supporters, he DOESN'T think he needs her or her supporters, he says
GET OVER IT. Because Michelle Obama really doesn't like "white america."
BECAUSE HILLARY IS STRONG, HAS EXPERIENCE, AND IS A GOOD LEADER AND IS BETTER FOR THE JOB THAN OBAMA.

[Calico]

Why do you use this forum?

a) To find and read information that I would otherwise not be able to find in one organized location. We are almost like our own little news organization!

b) To connect with other people who share siimilar interests.

c) To be able to discuss issues. Yes, we all come from diverse backgrounds and will not always agree, but that is okay. This forum has provided a safe haven for us. I have only been on two other forums, not politically related, that everyone repects each other and it has been great!

What direction do you see the forum moving?

a) To stay focused until the convention in Denver on Hillary. And, continue to do so afterwards. Hillary is what brought us all together. We may need to re-focus our energy upon McCain for awhile (but, hopefully not), with the goal of defeating Obama. But, then back to Hillary for 2012.

b) To continue to provide news and commentary.

c) To continue to grow and provide a safe haven for community members.

What do you like/dislike about the forum?

a) Like the format of the forum. It is easy to read and follow. My work is Internet related, so I find it easy to refresh the page and see what is happening!

b) Dislike that many comments and ideas that are note-worthy get buried, never seen again, and forgotten. But, this is a part of a dynamic forum with new ideas and topics being posted almost every minute or even second.

c) Like the feel of a community and that it is growing.


Any suggested improvements?

a) Would like to see perhaps an "idea" section to help with our goals. It would provide a "brainstorming" place where ideas could be bounced around. Just a thought.

a) Murray, you are doing a great job! I know it takes work and committment. Know that you are appreciated!

[endodoc79]

I originally came to the site after seeing the url at HRC website, hillaryclinton.com. The poster said to come over to hillaryclintonforum.net because your posts will be posted immediately, not like at her main site where maybe your post would end up on the site, maybe not.

When I came over I found a group of highly intelligent, polite and funny people that support HRC for POTUS. I liked the monikers that different people used. I liked the ability to take ideas and place them into action. I was very happy to meet forum members at the protest in New York City on April 11. I hope to meet other forum members in Denver.

I also use the forum to get news on the campaign. Since I won't watch the MSM, the forum is essential reading on a daily basis. I hope this continues.

I also see the forum as a sort of self-help group. I think this is great. I recommend that patients with problems in common join support groups where they can share experiences and ideas. They learn a lot because everyone has a slightly different take on things. By and large the discussions have been civil and I'm sure they will continue that way.

[VANITY4HILLARY]

To get the latest political news and to be round Hill supporters.
If the media can be biased than I am glad we have A BIASED HILL FORUM

[Alex01]

We should make our voices heard at the convention in Denver. We use this forum because nobody knows the REAL BARRACK OBAMA.
We use this forum because we have hope that SOMETHING will come out that
will cause Obama to lose the nomination; because the DNC meeting cheated
Hillary out of the nomination, because IF we don't fight all the way to the convention, this will NOT be a democracy...

Welcome, Dorothy - you go, girl!:cool:

[CGP]

Some great feedback and suggestions above.

Keep it coming - both positive and "negative" feedback welcomed!

[Tea toaD]

I use this forum because of like minded Hillary supporters. You can review and discuss anything Hillary and not be knee capped. I think I've gotten most of my negative feelings out about O and was able to do so without being crucified. Now, staying focused on this election is a priority and this forum is the best place to find and share information. We are making a big difference one day, one post at a time. Many, including myself will be voting for McCain (I still pray for Hillary to be the one) so his current news is important also.

I have to say that I like the forum style format for discussing and reading. It's easy to navigate.

What function do you want it to serve?

Continued efforts for Hillary. What is she doing today, tomorrow. Where do we see her going.

Continued efforts to keep Obama from the presidency.

Current political news in general. Current US and world news is also a possiblity.

Staying positive. Staying informed. Staying together:)

[Alex01]

Why do you use this forum?

I cash my reality check here!:D Seriously, though: It's a sounding board and a springboard to help get Senator Clinton elected, and to keep BO out of the White House. As Three Wickets said, it's part of the village Hillary needs!:) MJoy wisely stated that it is a help in returning us to a democracy - a very lofty, but necessary goal.

What direction do you see the forum moving?

I'm going to steal this from ClintonFan1992: To DENVER! I mean, the name of the site is "Hillary Clinton Forum." So we are here to support Hillary to the end, since, as you said, there is no nominee until the convention. We need to not get ahead of ourselves.

I also see us strongly supporting the paying down of Senator Clinton's debt. If she has at least a million supporters, and they each send $20, her debt is gone. Remember, every little bit helps!;)

What do you like/dislike about the forum?

Like: Practically everything. It's the best designed blog I've ever seen - fun and easy to navigate. There are reminders about writing SDs, and material that I can use to help write them. Also, it gets out the truth, as Lalene said. We work here to counteract the propaganda put out by the DNC and the MSM. I like that forum members, for the most part, are friendly and knowledgable, and bring news from all over, so that we can stay fully informed.

Dislike: People saying that it's impossible for her to get the nomination, and browbeating others about it. That's demoralizing for the rest of us who are fighting to get Senator Clinton to Denver and beyond. It seems like there are other forums out there where that type of thing would be more welcome. I personally think that that is one thing that could be invited to go somewhere else, if they're just going to tear down our candidate and us.

Any suggested improvements?

I like ClintonFan1992's suggestion about an art section. That would be fun to browse!

Thanks, Murray - you've really done a good job providing us hard-core Hill supporters with an electronic oasis!:)

[Peppermint Patty]

Make sure BO is not elected. Hoping to keep up the criticisms and news about BO to help McCain slash and burn BO into oblivion.:p

Keep in contact with fellow supporters here to keep the grassroots following for Hillary alive over the next four years for Hillary's successful run in 2012 and to see the DNC fall at her feet!!!!:D

Make sure BO is not elected... lol.:mad::D:p

[thebword]

Murray,

This forum is my oasis from the desert of disinformation by the media. This is my home where I visit with all my brothers and sisters in support of Hillary. And this is also my war room..where I learn what to do to make sure our nation isnt sold out to Soros/Obama. I want us to come up with more ideas on how to win in August...and after August if the DNC annoints Obama...how to expose the emperor that has no clothes!

This sentiment is perfect. Thank you.:)

[SeattleDem]

I use this forum as the spoke in the wheel for sources of spin-free news about Hillary, Obama, and the DNC. Because the members of this forum spider the internet for relevant information, this forum has become my primary source of news about the campaign. I peruse the action items listed on the site, and have acted on many of them. On a personal note, it has been a source of great comfort and inspiration to read the posts of people who feel exactly as I do about what has happened in this campaign. Thank you, thank you!

[supra5677]

The purpose of this forum is to support Senator Hillary Clinton. By the way her fax number is 202 228 0282. I faxed her this morning it was BUSY for a long time.

Hillary has started a new American Movement. Id'e call it the ECONOMIC FAIRNESS SOCIALLY FREE MOVEMENT. She has tapped into a strong ally with Lou Dobbs and our movement is in its birth stage. The oligarchy system of the Dems and Repubs will not last forever. It was designed in a way to silence the voices of the people. For me this forum should be about 3 things.

1. We need to help Hillary keep her Senate Seat. America is going to need Hillary in ways that haven't been realized yet. We need to continue pushing a convention fight.
2. We need to continue fighting back against the media bias that has taken hostage of our country.
3. We need to EDUCATE ourselves on the ISSUES that effect as a country. I encourage members to continue posting interesting and though provoking articles.

send Hillary a fax I'm sure she'd appreciate it...

[Agent 00½ FL]

I use this forum because it is the only way I can connect to a vast majority of people that believe that Hillary is the true democratic nominee.

Most also believe that the Democratic Party has made a farce of the primary.

I am keeping in touch with the forum, because I truly believe that there will be a revolution of sorts in our political system, and I WANT TO BE A PART OF IT.

[samkm]

I use this forum because it is the only way I can connect to a vast majority of people that believe that Hillary is the true democratic nominee.

Most also believe that the Democratic Party has made a farce of the primary.

I am keeping in touch with the forum, because I truly believe that there will be a revolution of sorts in our political system, and I WANT TO BE A PART OF IT.

Well put. Yes, I tend to think the same too... a much needed revolution if we are going to preserve democracy in this country.

[Renee in Florida]

Now that Hillary has 'sucked" up to the Democratic party I no longer recognize, my purpose is to promote Mccain and defeat obama in November!!!!

[lovehillary]

"Why do you use this forum? What function do you want it to serve?"

I love reading all the news articles, so I can see the election coverage from a pro-Hillary perspective. I can't deal with the MSM spin anymore.

[SoCal4Hillary]

Why do you use this forum?Because it's like an oasis in a vast desert wasteland of Obama bandwagoneers.
What direction do you see the forum moving?I'd like to see its focus remain pro-Hillary, even if that means we have to stick together through one term [for either McCain or you-know-who]. If the unthinkable happens, and Obama actually gets elected, I'd like to see the forum as a place to gather for sharing info about him and his shady pals.
What do you like/dislike about the forum?Like: Almost everything! Dislike: It gets a little disorganized at times; the occasional Obamabot troll--but they're usually toast before their nonsense has a chance to settle. :D
Any suggested improvements?Can't think of anything right now...

[EH]

I personally love the connection made here with wonderful, like-minded people. It goes beyond supporting Hillary; each and every one of us has a story to tell, and experience to recount, a difficulty to overcome - I love who we are!

I love the fact we can see all sides of an issue and we do not stoop to violence or vulgarity when we disagree with something, nor are we dictated by blinded ignorance.

It goes without saying that it's my one-stop shop for all Hillary news.

I love the laughs I get here as well!

[Justmy.02]

This place is a safe haven to post thoughts and comments on the travesty that has taken place.

This place is where I find like-minded people who love and support HRC and each other.

This place is where I can find unbiased news.

This place is GREAT! Keep up the good work, Murray. We don't have a candidate yet, and we must all hope and pray HRC comes out ahead in August.

Love ya all!

[SBSJR13]

The function this place provides now is right on, this is why the people come here.. The headlines forum is great, it provides news from all over the place that keeps the majority informed on many issues.. It covers McCain, Obama and Hillary.. I am not sure that you need to change anything now, I could see some expansion on the website side of things in the future once the heat of the moment is over for this general, but the content you provide here is great, so keep it up :)

[Laura Cereta]

I use the forum as a source of information that I refuse to get from MSM, as a tool for learning about various action items and as a communication hub to share action items and get feedback. It's a safe haven from the kool-aid club. I would like to see it stay Hillary 08' through August no matter how slim the chances. "Demand the impossible..." (Hillary Rodham, Wellesley Speech, 1969). I'd like for us to demand the impossible. I obviously want to prevent BO from winning in Nov; I'd like to see him exposed. I've been disappointed lately at some of the conflict and division. I believe it to be detrimental to our causes. I use the forum as a release from stress, as a way to relax, and find it to be quite entertaining at times. I'd love to meet you all in Denver. :D

[reddirtgirl]

News, moral support, campaign unity for Hillary or McCain are my main objectives here. Well, it actually keeps my sanity too.

We need to stay together to make sure that Obama is not elected and support McCain if we have to do that.


DITTO!! Where would we go for news without you since we can't trust the MSM??

[Musicdude]

I don't know who's running for president. I just come here to pick up chicks. :eek:

[Suzan]

I'm late to this thread and have not read all the posts. I love the Forum and don't know what I would do without it. Right now I think the existence of this group is more crucial than ever because our goals are a bit scattered, except in one regard, we don't want BO as POTUS.

That's enough to keep us together and focused until other goals start to coalesce. I also love the Forum because I feel safe from harassment here and among friends, kindred spirits and like minds, even though we don't always agree on everything. It's fine with me that we have disagreements. This is a time of sorting out, as individuals and as a group, and what better place to sort through things than the Forum, where you're in excellent company among smart, passionate people who actually care about this country at this very crucial time in our history.

I believe most members are united in the goal of defeating BO, which continues to make this place feel like a haven, despite some quibbling about who we're going to vote for. It's enough for me that we're against BO and all he stands for, and that we want to rescue the democratic process and restore its original principles.

This probably didn't help, but I hope it's clear how essential I think the Forum is and how much I appreciate everything Murray and the moderators do to keep it going. This place has become the center of my thinking universe these days, a place to restore my spirit and my sanity. I wish I could be of more help!

[Qulin]

First, I am not trying to upset anyone here but when someone asks me about my opinoin I will speak up.

I think we need to realize its over, Hillary is not going to be the nominee and we have to let go. I let go a long time ago and its a much better place for me.

With that said, my goal has moved to make sure Obama doesn't win the GE. That is all that is left. There are no miracles or story that says Hillary is still in this. The reality is its over and has been for a very long time.

You may ask why I still come here. I like it here because I can read a lot of news through this site. People are nice and loyal to Hillary. That is a great feeling.

One thing I would like to change is the merging of posts. Most often I just don't post because I just feel like my words are lost in a shuffle.

[deniseds]

I come here to keep my focus and to connect! I think there is still much to be accomplished. We've fought a long hard battle and it's easy for people to lose focus and to become discouraged. This is a community where information is shared but, more importantly it is a place people can gather to re energize. It's a great place to remember what we are fighting for and how important it is to not give up. I'm in for the long haul for Hillary, if it takes years, so be it.

Without this place though I surely would feel it was a much harder road to go down. Some of the people here were blogging with me from day one on Hillary's site. We all know what happened over there so Murray by creating this forum you've given everyone a home base!!! I don't think the value of that can be underestimated in any way.

Very well said RAFREE. Exactly how I feel. I come here to get re energized. In politics a week feels like a month. It is hard to weather the storm alone. I need all the support I can get. I am surrounded by BOTS at work and sometimes I feel like screaming. So I escape and enter my forum world of support, daily news without spin, and feedback. An occasional video for support and creative comics for laughter. It all helps me learn and grow and keep fighting for Hillary and my determination keep BHO out no matter how long it takes.

[floorrunner]

I came here originally because I got tired of being knocked down and no one to help me back up. I stay because of all the wonderful people here that help steer me back on track when I lose my focus and get frustrated. This forum is my home base where I can find the information I need to make my case in other places on the internet and to the people I come into contact on a daily basis.

[danatx]

I am a new member. I was a regular on hillaryclinton.com. I found this forum when I was feeling lost and saddened by the way things turned out for Hillary in early June. This is my oasis, where I found like minded people sharing thoughts , making plans for the future supporting Hillary. I believe in strength in numbers. I believe sites like this can make a difference with a collective voice. Though I do not have too much hope in my gut feeling for Hillary 08, I DO NOT want BO to be president. If Hillary is not the nominee I will vote for McCain in 08 and hope Hillary will be President in 2012.
This is why I started coming here after surfing this website for a few weeks. I like what I see here. I think you guys are doing a GREAT JOB. Please don't go away. Keep the focus on Hillary , so if not 2008, definitely 2012.

[santafegal]

I'm fairly new to the forum. I come here for a variety of reasons.

1) Information on the latest of what is going on with the election and HRC.

2) Action items that may be posted.

3) Political discussion.

4) Feeling the support of being with like-minded individuals (since I am surrounded by BHO-BOTS where I live.

I think we have a busy summer ahead of us. There is Denver. And I hope that people still want to make a serious effort to work toward the goal of a political party that really reflects our interests and who we are and what we want to accomplish for our country (instead of the sad party that has been hijacked). We can continue to help and support Hillary's work.

I think this forum is necessary now more than ever.

[Oregonian4Hill]

This forum is amazing. It's been so wonderful to have a community of Hillary supporters. Especially on election days, the forum was a godsend. (Remember those nerve-racking Tuesday nights?)

It provides both moral and practical support. I found out about the Activate system for calling voters through the forum. I like that the no deal icon is at the top. AND the matching fund-raising drives. (Current one is sponsored by Sudha, please participate!)

Suggestions for improvement? Murray, I know you're very busy, but I'd love more frequent updates to the $$$$ meter! :)

[Karen Keefe]

What a great focus question, Murray.

I come here to support Hillary all the way through Denver, join PUMA/Just Say No Deal before it officially became the idea that we all seemed to be discussing in various ways, fight to take back our democracy that DNC/Dean/Pelosi/Reid/Durbin/BO/Soros planned to steal from us and Hillary since 2004, get the latest news, expose BO personally and professionally, fight for fair and balanced news reporting, and chat on line with Hillary supporters who by and large exhibit sane, rational thought and a great sense of humor.

[CGP]

Murray, I know you're very busy, but I'd love more frequent updates to the $$$$ meter! :)

Seems it is stuck! The official site hasn't updated HillRaiser accounts since June 24 - well at least the forum's HillRaiser total hasn't changed since then, despite the fact that people have contributed to HC via the HillRaiser link. Not sure what that's about!

[CGP]

Let's keep this one going...

[freespirit]

Many others have expressed my own feelings. Checking the forum is one of the first things I do in the morning, and the last thing I do at night. It informs me, provides me with a connection to like minded souls, helps direct my activities related to the campaign, gives me more than a few good laughs each day, exposes me to ideas and thoughts from wise and thoughtful people, inspires and comforts me.

I hope the forum will continue with plan A - to support Hillary through convention and beyond, if feasible (in the event Bo gets closer to arrest, implosion, etc.). Plan B - defeating Obama is so important, and I hope we will continue working toward that goal if Sir Liesalot gets away with his rip off of the nom.

I think we need to actively work to restore the values of equaliy, social justice, and democracy to the Dem party, or start a new one, if that can't be accomplished. I also believe we need to continue to work to ensure that MSM reaps their just rewards for the sexism, disrespect, and unfair treatment to which they subjected Hillary.

I know, that may be a little far reaching, but I do believe we can be a driving force behind such efforts.

Thank you Murray for providing this excellent place for us. and, thanks to the mods for their hard work, as well.

[Tizhyla]

I'm fairly new to the forum. I come here for a variety of reasons.

1) Information on the latest of what is going on with the election and HRC.

2) Action items that may be posted.

3) Political discussion.

4) Feeling the support of being with like-minded individuals (since I am surrounded by BHO-BOTS where I live.

I think we have a busy summer ahead of us. There is Denver. And I hope that people still want to make a serious effort to work toward the goal of a political party that really reflects our interests and who we are and what we want to accomplish for our country (instead of the sad party that has been hijacked). We can continue to help and support Hillary's work.

I think this forum is necessary now more than ever.

I'd like to second everything said above. This has really been the most informative board I've ever been on.. with a wide range of ages and view points that make you stop and think and often times adjust your own views on certain topics.

Next, I'd like to see this board continue on for the next 4 years. A single place for me (we, us) to go to keep up on the latest developments of the new CIC - that way if we need to start an email drive or get alerts on pending bills that may not reflect how the group feels as a whole - it would be very easy.

Murray - you have done a fantastic job as the Admin of this board - it's one of the most fair and reasonable boards to join as a member.

Sorry, not so many posts from me the since I've joined, but I had High School graduation for my son and a few deaths in the family, but I'd hate to see this board dissolved in any fashion.

Kudos!

[CGP]

Murray - you have done a fantastic job as the Admin of this board - it's one of the most fair and reasonable boards to join as a member.

Thank you. I appreciate these words.

[Nancy Kallitechnis]

This is my favorite pro-Hillary blog! However, I've often wished that there was a separate section for new posts about Hillary. This blog has a different tone now that most of the stories are about Obama; a 100% Hillary page would make the forum more fun.

[CGP]

This is my favorite pro-Hillary blog! However, I've often wished that there was a separate section for new posts about Hillary. This blog has a different tone now that most of the stories are about Obama; a 100% Hillary page would make the forum more fun.

Yes, it's unfortunate that discussion about Obama has had to increase now he is the "presumptive" nominee. The reality is that there just isn't as much news presently about Hillary so unfortunately more topics tend to be about Obama. Remember, there are 25+ subforums dedicated solely to HC topics/threads and which contain all previous discussions - these threads all remain open for further comment and discussion so it's worth looking through them (there are thousands!) and adding comments/thoughts where you wish to. The main reason for having a "main room" for starting new threads is that most people tend to hang out here so any new thread will get maximum exposure in this section - it also makes it easier for moderators to keep track of what is going on.

[dandanna]

Like many others who visit the forum, I do so to connect with people with a a passion for politics. I originally joined to connect to other Hillary supporters but now it is far beyond that. I believe we are a growing movement of Americans who are informed and involved that cannot go away. Since Hillary brought us all together, I like keeping the name as the Hillary Clinton forum. But, I think we need to use this forum to not only support her candidacy but also to support each other as we take back our country.

I, like many of you, have grown addicted to this site. You are all so informed and funny, I wish you lived here in Nashville so we could hang out in person!

[Lynne]

I agree with everything that has been said. This forum provides me information that I can't get anywhere else. Until I came here, I never realized the type of things we discuss were happening in the US. I share what I learn. People are amazed at what the MSM doesn't cover.

In life I usually kind of float around as an observer. But now I am energized to make a difference. Because of the forum I have done things I would never have done in life. Albeit some of my ventures didn't turn out as well as I hoped, such as the Count the Vote Rally of 3 people in one location and 2 in another. But I learned from the experience and I feel empowered. I can't believe I'm going to Denver!

Being around the people on this forum inspire me and give me hope that change is possible. I like the action items so I can do something about the current situation and not feel defeated.

I'm always proud to tell my friends that members can have their opinions and not be shut up or tuned out. Everyone doesn't have to agree but there is respect for each other's opinions. I feel safe from the insanity of the trolls. New opportunities and resources are presented, such as JSND. Now I can make a difference and not feel like a victim. It also meant alot to me to be connected with others on the day Hillary announced her suspension.

I agree with southern knight about restoring democracy in the Dem party or start a new one. In the long run it will help Hillary.

I would like to see a section about the various research projects in progress. I conduct research for a living and I would like to contribute.

Thank you Murray and others for making a positive difference in my life!

[sisterdo]

The DNC erased 2.3 million voters from process, stopped the first nominee ever from going to Convention in her position, and purged Clinton Dems systematically.

So, we have undergone a coup.

My feeling about the online community of ex-Clinton Dems and dissastified PUMAs is now more than ever, we MUST coalesce online.

NOW MORE THAN EVER, THIS ACTION, IDEA SHARING, FORUM WHERE WE CAN ALSO PM EACH OTHER IS A GODSEND.

Why?

Stopping the Undemocratic Nominee and recovering the democratic principles of this party go hand-in-hand.

There are many ways dissastified Dems can work together. %24 want to vote McCain, a person who could partner with Hillary, others want to stop Obama b/c we are the ones who have learned he is dangerous. Others plan to sit out election and help Kerry and Wexler's opponents to recover Dem Party and put Hillary in a stronger position.

THIS IS A WORKING, ACTION SITE, IT'S MORE NECESSARY NOW THAN EVER.

THE POLITICAL PROCESS IS UNDERGOING A RE-ALIGNMENT.......NEVER GIVE IN TO A COUP.

Hillary Clinton is a future voice for this party. She is arguably one of the most powerful women on Earth, and we are necessary to keep it that way even if we do not support Unity. All PUMA's should share ideas. My personal path:

1) Stop Obama/ Help McCain if Hill is not nominee
2) Recover Dem principles and stop Coup
3) Hillary 08 or 2012

Many of us need this working forum for the future of our party, our principles, and America.

[xfiles]

I've placed my answers in red!

The forum is currently in a state of flux. Hillary is not the presumptive nominee and yet the forum's original aim was to support her all the way to the presidency! Given that BO has been installed as the presumptive nominee, the forum has been forced to shift focus.

Feedback wanted...

Why do you use this forum? To gather and impart information. To keep current, have a place to sort things out.

What direction do you see the forum moving? I'd like to see it become more activist. I worry that people talk to themsleves and each other but are we really getting the word out there to people not internet savvy or without access?

What do you like/dislike about the forum? This is the best forum out there but I also hope that we are coordinating with others in PUMA and in general that are listed on www.justsaynodeal.com

Any suggested improvements?

[justme819]

Sorry if anything like this has been posted already...altho I didn`t read thru all 100+ posts, i did read the last several.

For me, like many of you, I actually felt like I was nuts and the only one who could see the bias in the media...BO was only winning states the Pubs always win...Hillary was winning all the big, blue swing states...BO was winning mostly just caucuses...with the biased media never reporting it this way...i saw CM say BO`s speech sent tingles up his leg, etc., and couldn`t believe what I heard!...I saw Hillary villified everyday for supposedly not having a consistent message and changing her emotions...when, in reality, BO stole her message which was, "Change We Can Believe In"...Yep...Hill used that 1st...the Press never mentioned this fact...but, as we all know, BO`s never had an original idea in his life!...and her emotions simply changed as the situation changed...

They went as far as calling her schizo...while, at the same time, calling her a fighter in their promo to get people to watch the debate on their channel a few days later...I can go on and on.

Next, I was at the main site...my posts weren`t showing up...saw a link to this new Hillary site and clicked on it...brought me here and the rest is history!

We banded together to blog, help raise money, encourage phone calling, etc...all which helped Hill WIN 10 of the last 15 primaries...I found out I wasn`t the only one who saw it as described above...everyone here did too...we all hated KO, his special comment, and I remember how we all ripped him apart for it`s stupidity!...then the 1st forum videos were made which high-lighted many of the members...names of those who had joined the forum by that time...including mine...I felt this unique group of people were something much bigger, tho...something larger than the sum of it`s parts!

Now we can really continue to make a huge difference...while trying to help Hill get the D nom., we`re also helping McCain by pointing out how/why BO shouldn`t even be the nom.

And while fighting for McCain, we`re also helping Hill`s case to be the nom...by showing how BO isn`t worthy of the Presidency...compared to McCain!

Therefore, I propose that we simply just continue the above...especially the last 2 paragraphs...but still more importantly than anything else...continue to be here for each other...to reassure ourselves that we`re not the only ones who think a certain way...or see it for what it really is, etc!

If we do this, TOGETHER: WE CAN NOT FAIL!!...NO: WE WILL NOT FAIL!!! FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION! :cool: :cool: :cool:

[TheOMustGo]

The obvious Achilles’ heel of Obama will be that he stands for nothing because he takes both sides of the issue. And usually he is so “general” that you don’t know where he stands even if he gives a huge speech on it.

Every successful forum has the same problem, too much info that gets disorganized and never read by many readers. I think it would be good to have a sticky in the main room entitled “Obama Flip-Flops”. The first post the main room thread will have is a link to the “Obama Flip-Flop” room that is more moderated in that only moderators can start a new thread.

This is almost “blog like” to keep this section a bit more organized. So there will only be one thread in this room titled “FISA” as opposed to thousands. When you enter the Flip Flop room, the threads themselves will be a concise list of Obama Flip Flops. Just like a blog, anybody can comment on them … but the understanding is that the posts are to be more factual, citing quotes and links to information supporting the view that Obama flip flops on “FISA” or “Gun Control” or “Faith”. Opinions can be left in the main room. A moderator(s) can occasionally clean up the thread to keep it concise and factual. The idea is to have an organized resource so anybody on the forum can use it quickly to use outside of this forum (online or offline). I have posted in various forums detailed statements on Obama’s issues/flip-flops but they are basically lost in a thread that may not even be specifically about that issue. It would be nice to have a single web resource page. Almost like an anti-Obama Wikipedia. How do you think bo.com organized its attacks against Hillary.

The “Obama Flip-Flop” room can have a sticky made specifically for New Thread suggestions. Feel free to respond/PM if I made anything unclear. But I see the room as such:
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POSSIBLE POSTS
**Sticky: Post your new thread flip-flop suggestions here. Try to keep them real issue related.
**FISA aka spying on American citizens
**Gun Control: 2nd amendment rights
**Faith: Separation of Church and State
**Foreign Policy: No preconditions to talk to enemy leaders
**Public Funds: That thing that kept private interests away from candidates
**Social Security: From cap removal to the donut = economic disaster
**$1,000 Middle Class Tax Credit: It says middle class, but if you look at what little detail he offers, very few will qualify. It is more like welfare, which is not an economic stimulus

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A POSSIBLE THREAD OPENING POST
Summary: Obama was previously a strong opponent of the executive branch’s abuse of spying on American citizens, that was until he realized he would gain this power if President. Now he thinks it is ok.

Quick Obama quote against FISA (date): two links (one link to the original source and another link to a separate post quoting the entire article in case the original source gets removed.)

Several other Obama quotes against FISA chronologically ordered with corresponding links followed by links of the flip flops.

A link to FISA voting records and text of the bill/law.

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The moderator can constantly modify the original post according to member posts rounding up the information, then deleting the member posts to keep it clean (you can still cite the members as sponsors at the bottom.)

I think this online organization is what is missing in the anti-Obama crowd. I am very busy, but if it was taken seriously I would offer to help to get it rolling so the groundwork is laid out.

[SojournerTruth]

I am a new member. I was a regular on hillaryclinton.com. I found this forum when I was feeling lost and saddened by the way things turned out for Hillary in early June. This is my oasis, where I found like minded people sharing thoughts , making plans for the future supporting Hillary. I believe in strength in numbers. I believe sites like this can make a difference with a collective voice. Though I do not have too much hope in my gut feeling for Hillary 08, I DO NOT want BO to be president. If Hillary is not the nominee I will vote for McCain in 08 and hope Hillary will be President in 2012.
This is why I started coming here after surfing this website for a few weeks. I like what I see here. I think you guys are doing a GREAT JOB. Please don't go away. Keep the focus on Hillary , so if not 2008, definitely 2012.
I am similar to danatx. In addition my anger an the DNC started even before the primary was in full swing because I thought they were not being pragmatic or mindful of our country's demographics. As the primaries progressed, I became incensed at the bias in the media and even at the DNC. For Obama supporters, Hillary and her followers are the enemy-not people you need to work together with. If you can't work together with people that are part of your group, how the heck are you going to be able to deal with people whose views are highly divergent. It is the lack of real leadership Obama displays, plus the actions he has taken since the primaries ended, that have made me decide I will never support him.

I want this forum to serve as a nexus for HRC supporters and communicate actions that we as a group can take to make sure we influence the GE outcome and that the Democrats know we were a factor in their loss. Despite being a yellow-dog Dem for years, I am less frightened by the idea of a McCain presidency than I would have been 6 months or a year ago. After all, we have already had the worst possible president.

[PCFS1]

I love this board, I get great information here and I feel I am with Hillary friends. I love to post information also. Thanks so much that I can come to this wonderful place.

[Oregonian4Hill]

I'd like to suggest a Sticky with talking points to use on "progressives," either online or in real life. Maybe I'm just feeling it more here because Portland is crawling with "progressive" O-bots. But that might be an area where we can make a real difference. Anyway, things we can say to them about Fisa, the endorsement of Casey, sexism, homophobia...because in reality, Obama is not a progressive in any way, shape or form.

[El Cuco]

I was out of the country doing missionary work in Peru for two weeks. We had no TV, internet or newspapers so we didn't know what was going on outside our camp at all. As much as I missed my children I often thought of this forum and wonder how were our efforts to somehow get Hillary the nomination going.

I need this forum! I barely watch TV anymore and it is here that I get my news from, the news I want to hear! Here I also find links to other groups and ideas on how to help Hillary get the nomination. It was through one of the threads here that I was able to help with the campaign in PR. Just tonight with the help of one of the threads I joined the Oklahoma group that is planning to go to Denver. I am 54 years old and I have never been as involved in a campaign as I have been in this one. There is so much information here, things the media have never touched and people need to learn, we need to keep releasing that information. I have learned so much from the forum and I know that many others have too.

We can't give up hope, we need to keep trying to get Hillary the nomination and if not I will have no choice but to vote for McCain.

Thank you Murray for the wonderful job you have done, please don't take the site down!

[EsmeraldaB]

For Obama supporters, Hillary and her followers are the enemy-not people you need to work together with. If you can't work together with people that are part of your group, how the heck are you going to be able to deal with people whose views are highly divergent.

Soujourner, this was the biggest slap in the face for me when I first started visiting websites and blogs back in January. I couldn't believe what I was reading! :eek: You might bash people in the opposition Party, but you don't bash the people in your own Party!!! Nay, not just bash, but trample and spit upon! :mad:

Follow that up with the media hate that flowed unabated, and I was well on my way to disliking BHO even before the rest of the doo-doo started coming out about him.



Actually, I just come here to the HC Forum for the free beer and peanuts. ;)