Thoughts on the Suspension of Hillary's Campaign

[ivotedforhillary]

Is anyone upset that Hillary gave up to easily, I am

it seems like she doesn't care about the country, she just wants a job with this horrible guy.:mad:

[Renee in Florida]

yes she folded like a deck of cards way too fast.

[RAFREE]

How did she give up so easily?? She literally MADE them play out every single state race when they were shoving her out at every turn!! The DNC crowned him king and she has no control of that. She is still keeping her delegates for a roll call at the convention.

I am absolutely NOT upset with her in any way. I am angry at the DNC, where the blame really belongs. Hillary has to keep her career going so she can continue to HELP people. What she cannot help is what the DNC did to her! I won't blame the victim. That's unfair to her.

[JJ4Hillary]

I'm not upset with her. She has to support the democratic nomminee until something happened.

[lucky-ann]

How did she give up so easily?? She literally MADE them play out every single state race when they were shoving her out at every turn!! The DNC crowned him king and she has no control of that. She is still keeping her delegates for a roll call at the convention.

I am absolutely NOT upset with her in any way. I am angry at the DNC, where the blame really belongs. Hillary has to keep her career going so she can continue to HELP people. What she cannot help is what the DNC did to her! I won't blame the victim. That's unfair to her.

ditto. it's just not true that she "gave up easily"...she took it as far as she possibly could (until every single state had voted) and now she has to do what she promised to do...it's as easy as that...what should she do? the superdelegates gave the nomination to obama and it sure wouldn't make them change their minds if she refused to campaign with/ for obama...many people (media, DNC, Obama campaign) wanted her out MONTHS ago but she kept going and she did it for all of us...please I'm not happy with this unity show either but let's not turn on hillary...

[Agent 00½ FL]

You got to do what you got to do. Hillary can not look like a traitor to her party, could you imagine. Our goal has not changed.

[ivotedforhillary]

Do not get so defensive, take it easy, I just feel that she gave up on this Country without fighting all the way to Denver.
The way that she was treated, she should have become an Independent and ran against him and I think she would have won a second time, they stole the nomination from her and treated her terrible.:mad:

[ALL4HILLARY]

it seems like she doesn't care about the country, she just wants a job with this horrible guy.:mad:

I am beyond upset at this time. I am outradged and disgusted because i thought that Hillary was fighting for believes and values that she strongly believed in and we believed and supported her. I lost a lot of respect for her and it makes me respect Mccain more and more as polititian. The way she is sold like this it looks that she is pissing to all the grassroot supporters away, and follows the will of the few big donnors (lobbyists). Money controls everything. I wished she had Libbermans will and integrity to stand for what she believed unless everything was just B.S. I also heard on FOX that Obama and Michelle donated some money to Hillary to help for the debt, and I felt betrayed and almost threw up my breakfast

[Renee in Florida]

Where is it written that just 3 weeks after they ousted her and coronated Obama that she has to do this Unity tour. Where? She is a Clinton for heavens sake, they didnt have to bow like this. Hopefully Bill will hold out maybe for the whole election.

I loved Hillary, donated, blogged, but this is just rediculous.

How anyone can think there is a chnace in Denver for Hillary after witnessing todays circus is wasting time with their energy.

[PCFS1]

How did she give up so easily?? She literally MADE them play out every single state race when they were shoving her out at every turn!! The DNC crowned him king and she has no control of that. She is still keeping her delegates for a roll call at the convention.

I am absolutely NOT upset with her in any way. I am angry at the DNC, where the blame really belongs. Hillary has to keep her career going so she can continue to HELP people. What she cannot help is what the DNC did to her! I won't blame the victim. That's unfair to her.She had no choice. All her friends and Ny deligation urged her to get out of the race. The news media was making her look really bad staying in the race. Now if you look at her she is bigger then life. She so amazing. She has lots of power and she really came out the winner. Take a look at Jan. 23rd edition of the New York Magazine. That will show you how smart a move it was for her to do. She is bigger then life and he is begging her to help him. Not bad for a gal that the DNC treated so badly. She is our hero and never ever forget that.

[ALL4HILLARY]

You got to do what you got to do. Hillary can not look like a traitor to her party, could you imagine. Our goal has not changed.

What party. She doesn't want to look like a traitor to the party but is a traitor to the millions of her (not big donnors) supporters). The big donnors are just lobbyists, they will go where their interest is

[RAFREE]

This must be the hardest thing she has ever had to do but, she's looking at what is best for the most people over the long haul. She's sucking it up and doing what is right. If she left this party or went off on her own with all the money Obama has behind him they would destroy her career and she would get NOTHING done. No way to be able to put her plans in place at all. She would also have the people of New York who supported her for the senate up in arms!! She made a commitment to them to serve as their democratic senator and she has to fulfill that or be made a liar!! She is NOT, NOT going to ever go back on her word and she did give her word to support him. As distasteful as it is, she made a promise and even though the DNC set out to shove her out, she has kept her word. As much as she doesn't like it, and as hard as it is she is doing what she has to do...that shows character!!

[erasmus]

As the Kenny Rogers song goes:
'You got to know when to hold them,
know when to fold them'
She has to take a long term view where Obama is probably defeated in November and she is the probable nominee in 2012. She simply cannot afford to come across as a 'sore loser' in '08 if she wants to get the votes of former Obamabots in 2012. The last thing she needs is a 'we were stabbed in the back by Hillary in '08' meme taking root. Unlike Obama she knows how and when to reach out to the other side

[ivotedforhillary]

and her supporters should Keep Fighting for Her and Not vote for Obama.
I will never vote for Obama, NEVER.
I admire all of you Hillary supporters for standing by what you believe in,
I like to see people being nice and respecting her.:)

[Joe from WI]

I dont know what to say about Hillary. Even if she wants to be tow the party line, she should do the minimal. Make a speech and go somewhere for a month or so.

I dont want her near that sh*T head BO.

[LucyTN]

it seems like she doesn't care about the country, she just wants a job with this horrible guy.:mad:Oh yes, quite upset. I feel that she should still be out there trying to show him for what he is. I know that she couldn't afford to keep traveling all over the country but she could sure be stating her case on tv. She got shafted and is giving the impression that that's okay with her. It isn't okay with me and probably many of you. Party unity is all well and good but not if you have to sacrifice your values to have it. And of course we see how the party feels about her, and us.

[Sylvia]

:confused: Did I miss something? When did she give up? She is following what she said all along that she would do. She is doing what she thinks for now is best for the country!

What has she said or done that makes people feel disappointed?

[hillarypower08]

Let's put a little faith in Hillary. She is absolutely not a quitter. If she was even able to switch to Independent now she would never be able to gather enough support to win the GE. It's just not mathematically possible no matter how much we love her. So, she must stick with the Dems right now (I know, ugh), stay out of the public light (and away from any more criticism) and let BO take the heat for awhile. In other words, Hillary is being way smart and letting BO do the job for us. He's not looking very good right now, is he? FISA, public financing, etc. Hillary knows what she's doing--let's just wait and see.

[SusanfromPA]

She hasn't given up. An Obama win in the GE will knock her out of the 2012 race. I don't believe for a second that she is really backing Obama. She HAS to do this at this moment. It's all part of the plan. Sore losers never get anywhere - so at the moment she has to "be on his side."
Hillary is not a sell out. I have faith in her.

[Sylvia]

All my the money i gave for Hillary, the money I helped raise for her, the limitless time I blogged for her, and the limitless arguments i had to support our cause, it was just WASTE. ICANNOT BELIEVE SHE PLAYED US LIKE THIS AND NOW SHE SOLD US LIKE THIS

I don't believe she has given up, but if you do then your efforts would have been a waste.

[wildheart4mcpalin]

This must be the hardest thing she has ever had to do but, she's looking at what is best for the most people over the long haul. She's sucking it up and doing what is right. If she left this party or went off on her own with all the money Obama has behind him they would destroy her career and she would get NOTHING done. No way to be able to put her plans in place at all. She would also have the people of New York who supported her for the senate up in arms!! She made a commitment to them to serve as their democratic senator and she has to fulfill that or be made a liar!! She is NOT, NOT going to ever go back on her word and she did give her word to support him. As distasteful as it is, she made a promise and even though the DNC set out to shove her out, she has kept her word. As much as she doesn't like it, and as hard as it is she is doing what she has to do...that shows character!!

Hear Hear- I agree. It's distasteful and we would all like her to say to BO and the DNC to kiss her ass- but that is not how it works. I am not done until August and I see what happens. Then I will just wait until 2012! But look at how far we have come in just 3 weeks! People, revolutions take time, movements take time, and it is mostly unpleasant. My prayers are with all of you and with Hillary.

[RAFREE]

As the Kenny Rogers song goes:
'You got to know when to hold them,
know when to fold them'
She has to take a long term view where Obama is probably defeated in November and she is the probable nominee in 2012. She simply cannot afford to come across as a 'sore loser' in '08 if she wants to get the votes of former Obamabots in 2012. The last thing she needs is a 'we were stabbed in the back by Hillary in '08' meme taking root. Unlike Obama she knows how and when to reach out to the other side


She KNOWS the backlash against her if she breaks her word would prevent her EVER, EVER being able to do the work for the things she believes in. They would RUIN her. The people of New York would be outraged and they elected her to the senate.

The bigger picture here, is what is important as hard as it is. She's not to blame for having to keep her word!! She HAS to, if she is going to be able to move forward doing the work she always was doing for people in the Senate. She MUST keep her goals for everyone in mind. If she threw a tantrum and left the party she would get nowhere.

She has suspended, she has kept her delegates...she will come out smelling like a rose for keeping her word. NOT ONE Obama supporter can ever say she did not do her duty..and no one else can either. She cannot demand the DNC uncrown him...and if she wants to ever go ahead she has got to do this. She promised she would early on.

[mjoynaples]

How did she give up so easily?? She literally MADE them play out every single state race when they were shoving her out at every turn!! The DNC crowned him king and she has no control of that. She is still keeping her delegates for a roll call at the convention.

I am absolutely NOT upset with her in any way. I am angry at the DNC, where the blame really belongs. Hillary has to keep her career going so she can continue to HELP people. What she cannot help is what the DNC did to her! I won't blame the victim. That's unfair to her.

the idea that the victim... in this case the PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE BY POPULAR VOTE Senator Hillary Clinton has to keep things in place seems to suggest that not only is politics business as usual it is also NEVER REALLY GOING TO CHANGE and why can't it change now... this is not what is recommended to those who are victims of abuse is to keep taking it... ... I struggle with this one... it was ok until this unity thing and the bill C thing ... it all just sucks... and now I am hearing some will vote for BO because they are now believing that the REPUBS did all this to undermine the DEMS so that people would be so disillusioned with them they would vote for McCain and now they are re-thinking voting for McCain and instead going to either NOT vote at all, VOTE for BO or write in HILLARY all of them poor choices...

any thoughts on this?

[PrincesseJen]

I think someone has been watching the news too much. She hasn't given up. She has suspended her campaign not ended, REMEBER? She playing nice until the convention.

[PCFS1]

[quote=ALL4HILLARY;207862 mod edited[/quote]Please do not feel this way, she did no such thing to us. She had no choice. Politics is a tough business. Give her a break, she doing the best she can do for us and her 18 million people who voted for her. Look at the big picture. I will not vote Obama. Hillary is our hero.

[Folamix]

How did she give up so easily?? She literally MADE them play out every single state race when they were shoving her out at every turn!! The DNC crowned him king and she has no control of that. She is still keeping her delegates for a roll call at the convention.

I am absolutely NOT upset with her in any way. I am angry at the DNC, where the blame really belongs. Hillary has to keep her career going so she can continue to HELP people. What she cannot help is what the DNC did to her! I won't blame the victim. That's unfair to her.

I wholeheartedly agree with you. It is easy for us to sit here and complain that she gave in, but she took it all the way through the primaries. The DNC has crowned him and barring an unforeseen circumstance the writing is on the wall that will not be overturned. Bue she held on to her delegates. After all, the woman wants to remain a player in politics where she can truly help our country. It would be political suicide, she would be cuting off her nose to spite her face.

I am behind Hillary 100% and only she knows what she is truly up against. She is doing what she feels is best and I support her in any decision she ultimately makes. She has earned my respect by investing so much of herself in this primary run. I will not foresake her.

[kyforhillary]

She has to do this, she was crucified for staying in till all the states voted. Remember Bill said there was an October surprise coming. Don't give up and start talking bad about her, this is politics 401. We are past the freshman stage, this is senior stuff, they know what they are doing.

[Tea toaD]

If he's going to help pay her debt off, she has to do this. If she wants her chance at the convention, she has to do this. It's an awful feeling but I know she had to get up the gumption and ride this horse to the finish line. We better get use to some of these situations because she did say early on, she would back him. It has now come to fruition. She didn't give up, just going through the motions unfortunetly:confused:

No Obama for me.

[SadStateOfAffairs]

it seems like she doesn't care about the country, she just wants a job with this horrible guy.:mad:

Remember, Hillary said for us to keep our network together. She must do what she must do. We must do what we must do. She's in a very difficult political position right now. If she diminishes her political clout among the Dem party, she will never again be able to fight for what she, and we, believe in. Take it in stride and remember, we are not invisable to her.

[reddirtgirl]

I am beyond upset at this time. I am outradged and disgusted because i thought that Hillary was fighting for believes and values that she strongly believed in and we believed and supported her. I lost a lot of respect for her and it makes me respect Mccain more and more as polititian. The way she is sold like this it looks that she is pissing to all the grassroot supporters away, and follows the will of the few big donnors (lobbyists). Money controls everything. I wished she had Libbermans will and integrity to stand for what she believed unless everything was just B.S. I also heard on FOX that Obama and Michelle donated some money to Hillary to help for the debt, and I felt betrayed and almost threw up my breakfast


I cannot BELIEVE I'm reading this!! Maybe you should consider changing your screen name?

I'm disappointed that we don't know her plan at this time. She's holding onto her delegates for a reason. We'll know a lot more, I think, after their first joint appearance today. But angry at her? Why should I be? She fought tooth and nail to win every single primary, LONG after the chorus to get out of the race!

She loves this country, and she loves her supporters. I think she was flabbergasted quite honestly to get the amount of support she got. I also think it's a complete disgrace for you to attack her after BOzo and his pals in
the Undemocractic party and DNC stole this nomination away from her!

[RAFREE]

the idea that the victim... in this case the PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE BY POPULAR VOTE Senator Hillary Clinton has to keep things in place seems to suggest that not only is politics business as usual it is also NEVER REALLY GOING TO CHANGE and why can't it change now... this is not what is recommended to those who are victims of abuse is to keep taking it... ... I struggle with this one... it was ok until this unity thing and the bill C thing ... it all just sucks... and now I am hearing some will vote for BO because they are now believing that the REPUBS did all this to undermine the DEMS so that people would be so disillusioned with them they would vote for McCain and now they are re-thinking voting for McCain and instead going to either NOT vote at all, VOTE for BO or write in HILLARY all of them poor choices...

any thoughts on this?

Yes, and the republicans did not do this, there is ample evidence to the contrary. People backlashing against Hillary because they are trying to put their anger somewhere is unfair.

I've followed her career for TWO DECADES and in all that time, I've never seen her do a thing without integrity. She can get more done from the inside of this thing and she already has started!

I never said she had to keep things in place, this is why there will be a protest in Denver. What she has to do is be able to do her work, and to live up to a commitment she made to the people of New York..she would be ruined and get NOTHING changed if she did not keep her word now. Some of that work is very likely going to be getting the rules changed within the DNC! Some of that work is going to be bringing these issues more to the forefront because of the way she was treated.

I know this, I have not one time ever, ever seen her not know what the smart thing was to do. I have never seen her do something that was NOT for the good in the long term for the most people. It's been a long time, and in all that time I've learned I CAN trust her.

[mjoynaples]

Do not get so defensive, take it easy, I just feel that she gave up on this Country without fighting all the way to Denver.
The way that she was treated, she should have become an Independent and ran against him and I think she would have won a second time, they stole the nomination from her and treated her terrible.:mad:

and keep the work going to get the nomination in DENVER... she has to do these things that are extremely frustrating I can only imagine for her and puts her in an awkward position however, she also knows she can do more inside than out... sometime we need to know where we need to "fight the battle within the party ...Hillary's choice" or outside the party ... Independents etc... and they both work.... the walls of Jericho came tumbling down because they were clamoring both inside and outside to make the real difference.... HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT!!!!

[Charlie Brown]

As the Kenny Rogers song goes:
'You got to know when to hold them,
know when to fold them'
She has to take a long term view where Obama is probably defeated in November and she is the probable nominee in 2012. She simply cannot afford to come across as a 'sore loser' in '08 if she wants to get the votes of former Obamabots in 2012. The last thing she needs is a 'we were stabbed in the back by Hillary in '08' meme taking root. Unlike Obama she knows how and when to reach out to the other side

Look how everyone feels about Al Gore and him not standing by the Clintons...She would never do that...Now we will have to wait and see what happens...This is a hard pill...But we know what our move is...Mccain I think people should get to know him and show the DNC we are serious about not voting for BO...This is ....OUR MOVE NOW!!!!Our Last move...Even if you dont like it...This can all change by convention if we do...Show the DNC that BO cant win...If Hillary give up those delegates then she is out...It could happen...BUT we need to start helping John soon...Get over your emotions this weekend and Know we have to go to Mccain and not let BHO take our country from us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ONLYtheTRUTH]

In life we do what we have tooooooooo....even if we are unhappy with it............ it will make us a bigger people....... and live to fight another day for the American people!!!!

[mjoynaples]

Yes, and the republicans did not do this, there is ample evidence to the contrary. People backlashing against Hillary because they are trying to put their anger somewhere is unfair.

I've followed her career for TWO DECADES and in all that time, I've never seen her do a thing without integrity. She can get more done from the inside of this thing and she already has started!

I never said she had to keep things in place, this is why there will be a protest in Denver. What she has to do is be able to do her work, and to live up to a commitment she made to the people of New York..she would be ruined and get NOTHING changed if she did not keep her word now. Some of that work is very likely going to be getting the rules changed within the DNC! Some of that work is going to be bringing these issues more to the forefront because of the way she was treated.

I know this, I have not one time ever, ever seen her not know what the smart thing was to do. I have never seen her do something that was NOT for the good in the long term for the most people. It's been a long time, and in all that time I've learned I CAN trust her.


and this morning the big flip flop and I was freaked... as sneaky as Karl Rove and what's his name (radio guy) trying to get the REPUBS to vote for hillary etc I didn't think they would be this bad... I am of the persuasion that DENVER is going to happen we just have to keep getting the word out there... more and more and more! and work to get that nomination and ROLL CALL!!!!!!!!!

also great point Layne-Iowa...Look how everyone feels about Al Gore and him not standing by the Clintons...She would never do that...Now we will have to wait and see what happens...This is a hard pill...But we know what our move is...Mccain I think people should get to know him and show the DNC we are serious about not voting for BO...This is ....OUR MOVE NOW!!!!Our Last move...Even if you dont like it...This can all change by convention if we do...Show the DNC that BO cant win...I yes I agree SHE WOULD NEVER TREAT people the way AL GORE and the rest of the traitors have treated her... look at her graciousness! And she sure enjoyed her staff and their sweet funny prank of ping-ponging in the office!

[mkreyns]

I just heard Rush say it is still early and a lot can happen in July, a whole lot can happen in August. He compounded that for September, October and November.

Maybe this is all a Rovian plan. I truly believe Obama is a Stalin.

I wake up every morning with anxiety attacks over this horrible election. I swear, I want to sue whoever is responsible for ruining my health with this fiasco.

I don't think Hillary had a Chinamen's chance with what went on, so it is really not her fault. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

[lovehillary]

it seems like she doesn't care about the country, she just wants a job with this horrible guy.:mad:

Rest assured, Hillary knows exactly what she is doing. I have every confidence in her that she will do what is right politically. Her support within the party collapsed, so she has to play it this way unless, or until, something changes. We have to fight for her now. I don't believe for a second that she's sucking up to him because she wants the VP or any other position. She was just quoted saying she doesn't want any other position (other than the presidency).

[Patricia GA]

Hillary is picking her battles carefully. She knows sometimes you have to wait to battle another day. She is in it to win. Now, there are alot of forces at play here and she many not win it right now as she had planned and hoped because of the DNC manipulation, but she is flexible and she will out last those loosers at the DNC. And in doing so those things that she wants to accomplish for the people of this country will be done. She is no quitter. She has proven she can stand the heat in the kitchen. It may not suit our timetable...but no matter what moves she makes in the coming weeks and months...she is thinking to the future. She knows a hell of a lot more than any of us will ever know at to what she is up against.

Look McCain was defeated and his party turned on him when he was campaigning. Bush got the nomination. And now McCain is back and look where Bush is and how Bush's presidency has played out. You got to know McCain had a lot of hard decisions to make when he faced the GOP. And it was not easy for McCain this time around either.

I respect McCain and Hillary. Today will be rough...but it is not the end and tell all. Lots more behind the scenes going on. Hillary will be back. And it is her decision on how best she can do it.

[mjoynaples]

and really hear ya on the health issue... it is taking a bit of a toll.... the endorphins when victory is impending are so much better to take in than stress from waiting for the other shoe to drop that always never does or he makes a new policy way and then to hear these iGITOTS rally round the insanity... "the emperor does have clothes on yes... yes he does they are just a new kind of clothing blah blah blah blah!!!" crazy-making is not good for one's health!

[hillwillwin08]

We are all Hillary supporters, but
I think we just have to let Hillary go for the present and
hopefully re-energize our enthusiasm in 2012.

Sometimes when you love someone, you just have to let them
go. Yes, it's very hard.

Unless BHO turns out to be an axe murderer or something very
close to that, the superdelegates are going to make BHO
the nominee.

It's better that we focus all our energy on defeating Obama and that really
means working for McCain as hard as we worked for Hillary.
I know it's not the same, but what else can we do to make sure
BHO does not become President?

I don't regret the donating, blogging, phoning and canvassing I did
for Hillary for one minute. We won the popular vote! What more
could we have done?

We should congratulate ourselves, but we have to move on to
make sure an honorable person occupies the White House.

Hillary, I love you, but I have to let you go until we can fight again
another day.

[jencul]

Hillary is the greatest, she will do the right thing and i for one will always will back her 100%. I don't believe in politics anymore but i will never stop believing in her.

[Charlie Brown]

I just heard Rush say it is still early and a lot can happen in July, a whole lot can happen in August. He compounded that for September, October and November.

Maybe this is all a Rovian plan. I truly believe Obama is a Stalin.

I wake up every morning with anxiety attacks over this horrible election. I swear, I want to sue whoever is responsible for ruining my health with this fiasco.

I don't think Hillary had a Chinamen's chance with what went on, so it is really not her fault. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

I think so also...I guess we will have to wait and see who else is in this plan...Is Hillary??? I hope not and part of me says no the other part says I dont know...If she keeps those delegates today then I say she is not...If she give them to Bo she is also not to be trusted...So Mccain is our leverage even if you do not agree with him...This is where we have OUR POWER!!

We also can play Karl Roves game...Hillary could except VP and something could happen to Bo...Dont forget those Bible codes...make fun all you want its heading in that direction people....

Hillary will be President because of Hope.....

[SoCal4Hillary]

Wow...this is so weird: I agree with CONFLICTING viewpoints in this thread! I'm mad, sad, curious [as to why Hillary gave in so quickly], disgusted, proud [to have supported Hillary], and a lot more. I think all of us are on edge right now, and rightly so. What a roller coaster ride this has been...

[Mrs L]

yes she folded like a deck of cards way too fast.

Please tell me she has a reason and is not really giving in.
I am having a problem handling this.

[Laura Cereta]

Do not get so defensive, take it easy, I just feel that she gave up on this Country without fighting all the way to Denver.
The way that she was treated, she should have become an Independent and ran against him and I think she would have won a second time, they stole the nomination from her and treated her terrible.:mad:

She had a hypothetical gun put to her head by party leaders. Welcome to politics. Had she openly fought to Denver, the supers would have abandoned her completely; it would have been political suicide.

What she is doing now is smart. The media has to find another target, the GOP can beat up BO, and the people can speak for her.

[LucyTN]

I'm not good at getting my point across, but believe me, I have one to make. Many of us read everything we can find on the computer, newspapers and whatever else we can. Everyone here knows people who get all their information from the newspaper and tv. They see Hillary supporting Obama, they see her giving him air kisses and in deep conversation and then of course they see and hear her asking us all to support him too, and they believe that all is well. Obama it will be because Hillary said so. What happens down the road when and if he is found to be involved in some terrible crime or whatever other shady dealings that we suspect him of? Won't that backfire on Hillary? The DNC has already proven that they don't care about her. In my opinion, she has nothing to lose by telling him to kiss off. Surely her self respect is worth more than all this fiasco of "Unity".

[wildheart4mcpalin]

Here is an email I got on Facebook from Puma's people. Don't forget what we are fighting for- and it has become bigger than just Hillary. Just food for thought.

Good evening, fellow PUMAs.

On this, the eve of “Unity, New Hampshire”, I feel that it is important that we -- as PUMAs -- remember who we are... and what we are creating.

We were forged by the anti-democratic primary season of 2008 and have come forth to reject the DNC’s and Barack Obama’s call for us to fall in line.

*We* are the voice of the *true* Democratic Party -- the voice that has been usurped by an internal coup not unlike the one we all suffered at the hands of the Supreme Court in 2000.

We are fighting for Democracy itself.

I am asking that -- either tonight or tomorrow -- or both -- that each of you does *something* to bring forth your own fighting spirit as a PUMA.

We are varied in our philosophies and our strategies, so I won’t attempt to direct you all towards a singular course of action. All I ask is that you turn to your *own* PUMA self and decide what you can do during this critical time to make a difference.

Thank you, fellow PUMAs. I look forward to crossing this bridge with you... as we move towards bigger and better things!

And, as always...

Party Unity My Ass !!

[Charlie Brown]

I'm not good at getting my point across, but believe me, I have one to make. Many of us read everything we can find on the computer, newspapers and whatever else we can. Everyone here knows people who get all their information from the newspaper and tv. They see Hillary supporting Obama, they see her giving him air kisses and in deep conversation and then of course they see and hear her asking us all to support him too, and they believe that all is well. Obama it will be because Hillary said so. What happens down the road when and if he is found to be involved in some terrible crime or whatever other shady dealings that we suspect him of? Won't that backfire on Hillary? The DNC has already proven that they don't care about her. In my opinion, she has nothing to lose by telling him to kiss off. Surely her self respect is worth more than all this fiasco of "Unity".

If she turns over her delegates today I agree with you 100%

and will be over at the Mccain site in a heart beat...My husband and i already talking about looking into the Mccain head quarters in Des Moines

[ALL4HILLARY]

I'm not good at getting my point across, but believe me, I have one to make. Many of us read everything we can find on the computer, newspapers and whatever else we can. Everyone here knows people who get all their information from the newspaper and tv. They see Hillary supporting Obama, they see her giving him air kisses and in deep conversation and then of course they see and hear her asking us all to support him too, and they believe that all is well. Obama it will be because Hillary said so. What happens down the road when and if he is found to be involved in some terrible crime or whatever other shady dealings that we suspect him of? Won't that backfire on Hillary? The DNC has already proven that they don't care about her. In my opinion, she has nothing to lose by telling him to kiss off. Surely her self respect is worth more than all this fiasco of "Unity".

My opinion 1000%

[yaelbelle]

Isn't this the HILLARY CLINTON FORUM?

Turning on her when she needs us most isn't much different than what the folks we are so disappointed in did to her.

Turning on her is the same thing Obama does to his people.

I know emotions are high and hurt, but perspective needs to be kept. Condemning Hillary is not in perspective.

Remember politics and elections in this country create a big nasty crushing machine that chews folks up and spits them out. They've tried it repeatedly with her, and she is the only known person strong enough to still be standing after all they've tried. She's still fighting, although temporarily inujured, and it's our job to make sure it is only temporary. It's our job to conjure up a tenth of the strength for her that she has shown for us.

[SeattleDem]

Again, TRUST HILLARY...PERIOD! She is a woman of her word and she is proving that. She is doing what she has to do. She is a smart woman who will build her leverage in order to enact meaningful legislation and to look toward 2012. I personally will never vote for Obama. But if Hill ends up on that ticket, I will feel a lot more comfortable knowing she is there to exert influence.

[Tea toaD]

We should refer to this from now on as the disunity events:p It might help us feel better since we won't unify.

[Alex01]

What the hell happened? I don't watch the MSM, because I don't want the anxiety and the roller coaster ride. Is there a particular reason we're throwing Hillary under the bus, saying it's over for her and jumping on the McCain bandwagon?

I would imagine that there are a lot of McCain supporters here who were never actually Hillary supporters, trying to rev up support for him, when we should be doing what we can for Hillary. Seriously, what happened that some of you are willing to change the name of this site to www.johnmccainforum.net (http://www.johnmccainforum.net)?

[Qulin]

All this was going to happen. There is nothing we can do. Let Obama pay her debt. I for one am moving onward. I cannot support Obama even with Hillary supporting him. I will put my country first. I am tired of our elections being selected for us. We have no dang democracy in this country. Its just an illusion. Soros knows what he is doing and we played right into his hand. All I can say is folks follow the money and you will be amazed.

[reddirtgirl]

Wow, I can just imagine the fun our resident trolls are having with this conversation.....

All of you so-called "Hillary supporters" who are bashing her now should be ashamed. I've only known one other politician with such integrity - Gov of Texas Ann Richards. If Ann were alive today, I've no doubt Hillary would be the nominee.

Even yesterday, as I was flipping thru the news channels, I happened upon that asswipe Jack Cafferty. His question was "what should Hillary do now?" The responses he got were pure vitriol, and the woman isn't even actively in the race at this moment in time.

[erasmus]

Scenario 1:
1. Hill fights like a raging lioness to the bitter end.
2. Obama proceeds to the nomination regardless.
3. He goes down in flames in November.
4. The postmortem. Dean, Brazile etc get their long overdue comeuppence. However Hillary gets a large slice of the blame for 'fracturing party unity'.
5. Obama , as his is wont, generally looks for someone else to blame for his failures - Hillary would be an obvious scapegoat. His supporters, as is their wont, will slavishly follow suit.
6. 2012. The 'Hillary screwed us in 2008' narrative by now has firmly taken root and snowballed - fueled by 4 years of echo chamber, blogosphere, navel-gazing by the Obamite masses. Hillary is now a virtual pariah in the party and does not consider running again, or, if she does, does not get past the first few primaries.

Scenario 2 (the present one):
1. Hill folds and campaigns for Obama. In campaigning she puts in a passable effort largely for the optics without really breaking into a sweat.
2. Obama goes down in flames in November (BTW I think this is inevitable irrespective of whether or not Hill campaigns for him).
3. Pelosi/Brazile/Dean finally get their comeuppence.
4. 2008 to 2012. The benign backlash. Books get written and documentaries shown finally exposing to the broad masses the truth of what really happened during the '08 primary. Hillary now rides a tidal wave of sympathy and gets firmly ensconced as a feminist (and general) icon. Part of the backlash is that the party procedures are finally overhauled to ensure that chicanery like this never happens again. Aided by mass buyers' remorse and enjoying the grudging respect of most former Obamites (and at this stage the kool aid should be wearing off after serial exposés) Hill sails to victory in the primary and GE. By this time Obama will be a largely forgotten run-of-the-mill Chicago politico.
Go figure.

[samkm]

All this was going to happen. There is nothing we can do. Let Obama pay her debt. I for one am moving onward. I cannot support Obama even with Hillary supporting him. I will put my country first. I am tired of our elections being selected for us. We have no dang democracy in this country. Its just an illusion. Soros knows what he is doing and we played right into his hand. All I can say is folks follow the money and you will be amazed.

visit www.justsaynodeal.com - there is an announcement there that I thought best captures where many of us are at.

One thing is certain. They can no longer blame Hillary. We are our own individuals with our own votes, and we take our own stand.

Qulin, If you did a follow-the-money trail summary, please post. I did one in January and February and had posted here. My focus then was two fold: Rezko; Univ of Chicago health center. I have not done a Soros money map other than looking at the Foxnews videos that show the money movement fromSoros through various non-profits to MediaMatters that majorly influences MSM. If you've studied beyond that, please share. Thanks.

[endodoc79]

It's too early to abandon Plan A- Hillary '08. As for the original poster- did she suspend too early. Maybe yes- maybe no. This is one of those questions that is so subjective- the analogy in medicine- patient has a fever- they're on antibiotics but not doing well after 24 hours, do you continue with same or change your therapy -because the chief of the hospital has called you and told you to change, but you feel more time is the right course. You won't know the right answer until the future time when the patient either recovers or is dead.

The only thing I know at this point is that I don't want to hear her talk about voting for BHO and I don't want to see her on the same stage as him. After the convention if BHO is the nominee I will do whatever I can to defeat him, because he is wrong for this country, much more so than McCain or anyone else I can think of from the 2 major parties who has ever run for president.

[Alex01]

Erasmus, you're amazing. That really lays it out simply and beautifully.

I, of course, will still be fighting for Hillary in 2008, but can you imagine 2012, when Obama has been in jail a while, and everybody knows everything (almost) about his past? He will be an embarrassment, just like Bush. At least he won't get the chance to wreak havoc, as Bush has done for the last seven years!

Scenario 1:
1. Hill fights like a raging lioness to the bitter end.
2. Obama proceeds to the nomination regardless.
3. He goes down in flames in November.
4. The postmortem. Dean, Brazile etc get their long overdue comeuppence. However Hillary gets a large slice of the blame for 'fracturing party unity'.
5. Obama , as his is wont, generally looks for someone else to blame for his failures - Hillary would be an obvious scapegoat. His supporters, as is their wont, will slavishly follow suit.
6. 2012. The 'Hillary screwed us in 2008' narrative by now has firmly taken root and snowballed - fueled by 4 years of echo chamber, blogosphere, navel-gazing by the Obamite masses. Hillary is now a virtual pariah in the party and does not consider running again, or, if she does, does not get past the first few primaries.

Scenario 2 (the present one):
1. Hill folds and campaigns for Obama. In campaigning she puts in a passable effort largely for the optics without really breaking into a sweat.
2. Obama goes down in flames in November (BTW I think this is inevitable irrespective of whether or not Hill campaigns for him).
3. Pelosi/Brazile/Dean finally get their comeuppence.
4. 2008 to 2012. The benign backlash. Books get written and documentaries shown finally exposing to the broad masses the truth of what really happened during the '08 primary. Hillary now rides a tidal wave of sympathy and gets firmly ensconced as a feminist (and general) icon. Part of the backlash is that the party procedures are finally overhauled to ensure that chicanery like this never happens again. Aided by mass buyers' remorse and enjoying the grudging respect of most former Obamites (and at this stage the kool aid should be wearing off after serial exposés) Hill sails to victory in the primary and GE. By this time Obama will be a largely forgotten run-of-the-mill Chicago politico.
Go figure.

[Vici57]

Absolutely not. She must do what is asked of her by the DNC. I read an article that said her attorney is working with the Obama staff to iron out all the details of what she wants. Her name on the ballot at the convention is one of them. We must not give up. She hasn't. Anything can happen, so just keep praying that the shoe will drop on Obama. If not, then we must keep trying to make the Super Delegates see the light. Hillary is too important to dismiss that easily. She fought for us when it would have been easier to fold her campaign and go home. We must do the same for her.

[bangorgirl]

Again, TRUST HILLARY...PERIOD! She is a woman of her word and she is proving that. She is doing what she has to do. She is a smart woman who will build her leverage in order to enact meaningful legislation and to look toward 2012. I personally will never vote for Obama. But if Hill ends up on that ticket, I will feel a lot more comfortable knowing she is there to exert influence.

I agree with you. I don't think she sold us out, at the rules meeting they shut her down.

[erasmus]

The reality is that Hillary is a fully paid-up member of the Democratic Party and that, like it or not, carries certain obligations. Speaking as someone who dislikes Obama intensely I can still understand why she has to make some cursory genuflections in his direction. Looking at Hill and Bill's body language I think they know there is something major coming down the line.

[ALL4HILLARY]

I'm not upset with her. She has to support the democratic nomminee until something happened.

no she doesn't have to.

[reddirtgirl]

the analogy in medicine- patient has a fever- they're on antibiotics but not doing well after 24 hours, do you continue with same or change your therapy -because the chief of the hospital has called you and told you to change, but you feel more time is the right course. You won't know the right answer until the future time when the patient either recovers or is dead.


Hahahahaha!! As a trauma RN, I feel your pain! :D

[Viktoriya]

Is anyone upset that Hillary gave up to easily, I am

it seems like she doesn't care about the country, she just wants a job with this horrible guy.:mad:
Who told you: she doesn't care?!
When did she give up?

Very distractive post.

[ALL4HILLARY]

The reality is that Hillary is a fully paid-up member of the Democratic Party and that, like it or not, carries certain obligations. Speaking as someone who dislikes Obama intensely I can still understand why she has to make some cursory genuflections in his direction. Looking at Hill and Bill's body language I think the know there is something major coming down the line.

As members they could be quiet, they could not endorse anybody unless this is a dictatorship party, and they do not have to campaign with anybody.

[CGP]

As I said in the other "kiss at airport" thread:

As always, it is important that genuine Hillary supporters express their views, whatever these may be. It would be abnormal to think positively about every single action a politician takes! Afterall, politics is riddled with opportunism. It is reasonable to critique and comment on any action taken by Hillary Clinton in the political arena. One can be pro-Hillary and still disagree with certain policies/actions. But emotional attacks or baseless rants are not welcome. So please, if anyone wishes to critique Hillary's show of "unity" with BO, please do so in a reasoned manner rather than simply branding her with insults.

In politics, there are 2 games going on at anytime: the front stage game and the back stage game. The show of "unity" is the front stage game. Who knows what the back stage game really is...?! That's the interesting part...

[bangorgirl]

This unity thing is very traumatizing, good thing we these nurses here.

[shadow]

Scenario 1:
1. Hill fights like a raging lioness to the bitter end.
2. Obama proceeds to the nomination regardless.
3. He goes down in flames in November.
4. The postmortem. Dean, Brazile etc get their long overdue comeuppence. However Hillary gets a large slice of the blame for 'fracturing party unity'.
5. Obama , as his is wont, generally looks for someone else to blame for his failures - Hillary would be an obvious scapegoat. His supporters, as is their wont, will slavishly follow suit.
6. 2012. The 'Hillary screwed us in 2008' narrative by now has firmly taken root and snowballed - fueled by 4 years of echo chamber, blogosphere, navel-gazing by the Obamite masses. Hillary is now a virtual pariah in the party and does not consider running again, or, if she does, does not get past the first few primaries.

Scenario 2 (the present one):
1. Hill folds and campaigns for Obama. In campaigning she puts in a passable effort largely for the optics without really breaking into a sweat.
2. Obama goes down in flames in November (BTW I think this is inevitable irrespective of whether or not Hill campaigns for him).
3. Pelosi/Brazile/Dean finally get their comeuppence.
4. 2008 to 2012. The benign backlash. Books get written and documentaries shown finally exposing to the broad masses the truth of what really happened during the '08 primary. Hillary now rides a tidal wave of sympathy and gets firmly ensconced as a feminist (and general) icon. Part of the backlash is that the party procedures are finally overhauled to ensure that chicanery like this never happens again. Aided by mass buyers' remorse and enjoying the grudging respect of most former Obamites (and at this stage the kool aid should be wearing off after serial exposés) Hill sails to victory in the primary and GE. By this time Obama will be a largely forgotten run-of-the-mill Chicago politico.
Go figure.


I like that. But the one option everyone is missing is that OB now has a very very high probablility of winning the GE.

Everybody is so sure Ob will "crash and burn" before november, but the DNC/media has protected him, and that protection will now close ranks even more. he now has a high probability of winning the GE. I am terrified of them.

[bangorgirl]

As I said in the other "kiss at airport" thread:

As always, it is important that genuine Hillary supporters express their views, whatever these may be. It would be abnormal to think positively about every single action a politician takes! Afterall, politics is riddled with opportunism. It is reasonable to critique and comment on any action taken by Hillary Clinton in the political arena. One can be pro-Hillary and still disagree with certain policies/actions. But emotional attacks or baseless rants are not welcome. So please, if anyone wishes to critique Hillary's show of "unity" with BO, please do so in a reasoned manner rather than simply branding her with insults.

In politics, there are 2 games going on at anytime: the front stage game and the back stage game. The show of "unity" is the front stage game. Who knows what the back stage game really is...?! That's the interesting part...

Thank you.

[Justmy.02]

Hillary has NOT given up! I believe Hillary knows exactly what she is doing and how it might affect the convention. Don't give up on her!

[EsmeraldaB]

and her supporters should Keep Fighting for Her and Not vote for Obama.
I will never vote for Obama, NEVER.
I admire all of you Hillary supporters for standing by what you believe in,
I like to see people being nice and respecting her.:)

WTF? “You” Hillary supporters? “I like to see people being nice and respecting her”? After you just dissed her in your opening remarks?

Sorry people, this is no place to be crying in your beer. We support Hillary. We don’t tear Hillary down.

And no, hillwillwin08 I will not “let it go”.

This thread smacks of troll. :mad:

Isn't this the HILLARY CLINTON FORUM?

Turning on her when she needs us most isn't much different than what the folks we are so disappointed in did to her.

Turning on her is the same thing Obama does to his people.

I know emotions are high and hurt, but perspective needs to be kept. Condemning Hillary is not in perspective.

Thank you yaelbelle. :cool:

[erasmus]

Everybody is so sure Ob will "crash and burn" before november, but the DNC/media has protected him, and that protection will now close ranks even more. he now has a high probability of winning the GE. I am terrified of them.
Not a chance. At this stage of the game he would have to be about 10 percentage points ahead in the polls to have any kind chance rather then being, as he is, at about level pegging.
The following excellent article will illuminate you further:
http://hillbuzz.blogspot.com/2008/06/heres-how-summer-and-fall-are-going-to.html

[VANITY4HILLARY]

Is anyone upset that Hillary gave up to easily, I am



easily?
get real
I dont think she gave up easily shyt
I think she should have left the party with Bill
Honey not as tho the dnc is giving them millions
The clinton's does not need that disgusting filthy party
But I guess they feel they do
ugh

[EsmeraldaB]

In the end, the Clintons will have the last laugh. :cool:

REJECT THE CULT OF OBAMA



Because the Universe loves to hear positive things:

HILLARY CLINTON, 44TH PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

MADAM PRESIDENT!!

[erasmus]

Quote from former President Hillary's autobiography circa 2025:
Kissing Barack Obama in June 2008 knowing what I knew about him and experiencing what I had experienced during the primary cycle was one of the hardest things I ever had to do in my political career. But I owed it to my support base to obey the first rule of politics:
Stay alive.

[shadow]

Everybody is so sure Ob will "crash and burn" before november, but the DNC/media has protected him, and that protection will now close ranks even more. he now has a high probability of winning the GE. I am terrified of them.
Not a chance. At this stage of the game he would have to be about 10 percentage points ahead in the polls to have any kind chance rather then being, as he is, at about level pegging.
The following excellent article will illuminate you further:
http://hillbuzz.blogspot.com/2008/06/heres-how-summer-and-fall-are-going-to.html

Until today, I never remotely believed he had a chance. But this, how many Hillary supporters will he take, and how many, to put him over the top?

I find it appalling to even think of that man, with power.

[Tea toaD]

Quote from former President Hillary's autobiography circa 2025:
Kissing Barack Obama in June 2008 knowing what I knew about him and experiencing what I had experienced during the primary cycle was one of the hardest things I ever had to do in my political career. But I owed it to my support base to obey the first rule of politics:
Stay alive.

That is one powerful quote. Thanks for posting:)

[erasmus]

Until today, I never remotely believed he had a chance. But this, how many Hillary supporters will he take, and how many, to put him over the top?
I agree with you up to a point. She might make the difference between him losing, roughly, 35 as opposed to 45 states.

[kmb08]

Is anyone upset that Hillary gave up to easily, I am

it seems like she doesn't care about the country, she just wants a job with this horrible guy.:mad:

Hillary is privy to so much information that we do not have. She knows what she is doing, and one description I would never use of Hillary is ..."giving up too easily". She redefines the word "Tenacity" in my book!

[foxyladi]

She had no choice. All her friends and Ny deligation urged her to get out of the race. The news media was making her look really bad staying in the race. Now if you look at her she is bigger then life. She so amazing. She has lots of power and she really came out the winner. Take a look at Jan. 23rd edition of the New York Magazine. That will show you how smart a move it was for her to do. She is bigger then life and he is begging her to help him. Not bad for a gal that the DNC treated so badly. She is our hero and never ever forget that.

she is my hero has been for 35 years
and always will be

[reddirtgirl]

the one option everyone is missing is that OB now has a very very high probablility of winning the GE.

Everybody is so sure Ob will "crash and burn" before november, but the DNC/media has protected him, and that protection will now close ranks even more. he now has a high probability of winning the GE. I am terrified of them.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. Nothing has stuck to him yet, it all just slides right off his back. In addition to the people he has in his back pocket, his hundreds of millions of dollars will buy him the presidency.

[NSTYLE77]

Is anyone upset that Hillary gave up to easily, I am

it seems like she doesn't care about the country, she just wants a job with this horrible guy.:mad:

I regret traveling all over the country and spending thousands of dollars! I do not know this Hillary. I thought she was different. I feel so hurt and devastated over what is transpiring!
I do not mind her supporting him but the way she is throwing it in our faces is NOT cool.

[reddirtgirl]

I regret traveling all over the country and spending thousands of dollars! I do not know this Hillary. I thought she was different. Am I crazy for now understanding why people have always called her polarizing? I feel so hurt and devastated over what is transpiring!
I do not mind her supporting him but the way she is throwing it in our faces is NOT cool.


This sure is sounding like Trollville. I have a hard time believing that anyone who worked for and with Hillary, and knowing how HARD Hillary fought, could say things like this! I'll just leave it at that. Yes, to use your word, you're crazy.

The trolls need to leave our forum!

[houna]

I know there are certain things a commited member of a party has to do. But if that party went out of it's way to brake all the roles and committed forgary and boldly comitt deciet and thugary, at least that member should have said something. What the dnc did is a crime against our democratic proccess to someone in the oval office, any one came through a proccess like can't be good. If you allow that to happen....I don't what say to that.
Hillary is still my hero. I just wanted her to put the country before the party, and not because the party betrayed her but because she is a good american.

Having said all that our fight for her should continue, after august then we all know what to do.

[Mrsawd]

As long as she is not giving up her Delegates !


When this happens I vote McCain !

[bangorgirl]

This sure is sounding like Trollville. I have a hard time believing that anyone who worked for and with Hillary, and knowing how HARD Hillary fought, could say things like this! I'll just leave it at that. Yes, to use your word, you're crazy.

The trolls need to leave our forum!

I agree with you reddirtgirl, my whole family worked hard for Hillary, as much as I don't like to see her support bo I know that she has to. He will lose big time and then if she wants to run again she'll have better standing.

[Molly]

SUSPENDED!!!!! - PLEASE - Remember that Very Important WORD - and KEPT all her delegates!!!!

The Clintons are very smart power people - THEY know what they are doing - and do not have to keep us informed of every detail.

We Must Keep the Faith in Hillary - Through the Convention!!!! Please hold on till AUG!

Hillary will do what she must for now - "for the good of the party" - she must "unite" -she must be a team player for the DNC - just in case she has to "step in" and be the REAL nominee!!!!!

[Molly]

TROLLS - GET OUT - Go to your own site - it's full of your "types" there!

Get OUT!

[justme819]

I WATCHED THIS FIASCO...AND JUST HAD TO LAUGH...ALTHO IT WAS INDEED HARD TO WATCH...SO IT WAS A PAINFUL. NERVOUS LAUGH...IT WAS SO OBVIOUS THAT, LIKE MOST THINGS IN POLITICS, THIS WAS SCRIPTED...NOTICE HOW BO STILL HAD TO READ FROM NOTE CARDS WHILE GIVING HIS SPEECH...HILL DIDN`T...BUT NEVER HAS TO, ANYWAY...SHE MEMORIZES HER LINES WITH THAT PHOTOGRAPHIC MEMORY OF HERS!

YES...SHE HAD TO TAKE PART IN THIS CHARADE LIKE SHE PROMISED...AND JUST AS THE DNC HAD IT SCRIPTED...IT WOULD`VE BEEN POLITICAL SUICIDE TO DO ANYTHING ELSE SUCH AS SUPPORT McCAIN IN ANY WAY SINCE DROPPING OUT, AND NOT DO WHAT THE DNC SCRIPTED BOTH HER AND BO TO DO, ETC!

LOOKING AT THE BIGGER PICTURE, I THINK THAT THE MOST REVEALING THING AT THIS SO-CALLED UNITY EVENT...WAS THAT BILL CLINTON WAS MISSING...NOW, I DON`T CALL THAT UNITY WHEN BILL CLINTON IS STILL DISTANCING HIMSELF FROM BO...AND AS FAR AS POSSIBLE I MIGHT ADD...NO ONE IS EVEN SURE WHERE BILL IS RIGHT NOW...EXCEPT HILLARY!!!

ALSO NOTE WHAT A PUB STRATEGIST STATED AFTERWARDS ON MSNBC...HE STATED THAT THE THING LOOKED OVER-THE-TOP WITH COLOR-COORDINATION, ETC...EVEN RIDICULOUS...AND THEN EVVEN MENTIONED PUMA AND WHAT IT STANDS FOR...AND HOW/WHY MANY HILL DEMS. LIKE US ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR McCAIN...MENTIONED COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY, HIS STRENGTH AS A LEADER IN A WORLD CRISIS, (ALMOST CERTAIN TO COME IN THE NEXT YR OR TWO), HIS BEING A WAR HERO, ETC!

AND THEN WENT ON TO POINT OUT A FEW OF THE MANY BO WEAKNESSES WHICH WE POINT OUT ALL THE TIME ON THIS FORUM!...HOW BADLY HE GOT BEAT IN THE LAST FEW CONTESTS...AND WAS LEAKING OIL, GAS, ETC., AS HE CROSSED THE FINISH LINE...AND GUESS WHAT...THIS GUY WAS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT...FOR A MOMENT, I FOUND MYSELF THINKING THAT HE MUST READ THIS FORUM SINCE HE HIT ON MANY OF OUR MAIN REASONS NOT TO VOTE FOR BO...AND TO VOTE FOR McCAIN!

BOTTOM LINE: REGARDLESS OF WHAT WAS SAID, ACTED OUT AS SCRIPTED, NOTHING HAS CHANGED!

PLAN A - WORK ON SD`S TO GET HILL THE NOM., ETC!
PLAN B - CAMPAIGN FOR McCAIN TO DEFEAT BO
PLAN C - HILLARY...12!!!

[hillarypower08]

She has not given in. She is doing what she has to do. If the superdels do not end up voting for Obama and they vote Hillary our nominee NOBODY will be able to blame Hillary. Let's please just trust her and have faith that she knows what she's doing and let's follow her lead.

[LucyTN]

I just got another request for money from her. She also told how proud she was to have stood by his side today. I think I need to step out for some fresh air. I feel sick to my stomach.

[shadow]

She has not given in. She is doing what she has to do. If the superdels do not end up voting for Obama and they vote Hillary our nominee NOBODY will be able to blame Hillary. Let's please just trust her and have faith that she knows what she's doing and let's follow her lead.

I know that you are right. But it is hard. To see her beside that man,,,, just, yuk.

I won't give them my vote. But I can hold on until Denver, see how things play out. I know that she has to play this game for now, and as much satisfaction I would receive from hearing her tell Bo to go to hell, it wouldn't help her.

I am hanging in until Denver. But if I have to hear much more of this *unity* crap, I may punch a hole in the wall. :mad:

[DarrellP]

:mad::(I'm very angry and sad about how the way Hillary was treated thoughout the primaries,but she had no choice but to play the unity game at least in the public view, our job is not to respond to this corrupt deceptive marketing ploy and blitz and fall in line with the DNC and Obama, the DNC is forcing Hillary behind the scenes to take part in a party unity blitz in order to fool strong Hillary supporters into backing Obama, but I'm sure not going to fall for it, I know this is a deceptive marketing ploy to gain more support for Obama among Hillary Supporters. I believe in private, Hillary hates being on stage with a man who really has no respect for woman in any capacity, and also tried to make her and Bill out to be racist and bigots, but Hillary must play the game in order to save her political career in the long-term, Hillary is playing it safe here and making the right decision, if she didn't keep her promise and play this political game, the Democratic Leadership and the gender-biased media would try to bury her politically for not supporting Obama.

I will not be voting for Obama no matter who campaigns or endorses him, So the unity blitz will not change my mind into supporting this man; who I believe is a charlatan and a danger to this country in the long-term. I believe as we get closer to election day, Obama will eventually have to step down due to something being uncovered in his past that will hurt his credibility so bad that it would prevent him from being President.

Go Hillary 08!!

[CGP]

I know that she has to play this game for now, and as much satisfaction I would receive from hearing her tell Bo to go to hell, it wouldn't help her.

Correct. It's difficult to tolerate but that's what she has to do in order to "survive" politically. It's rough at the top and certain choices have to be made, some of which might be personally distasteful for the candidate!

[Kbentleyis]

Hillary NEVER folds. Sure she has been put into a corner, but she'll come out swinging. She is no wallflower!

We have to stay focused! Our democracy is at stake and we must not give up fighting. Keep letters going to the SDs and delegates and point out HRC is more qualified and electible.

EVERYONE, KEEP THE FAITH. To divide us is to conquer us.

[santafegal]

I was at work all day, but I don't watch MSM anymore.....and I don't plan to watch the whole unity thing. But from the comments, it sounded like what I was pretty much expecting it to be....a dog and pony show. Chances are that there will be more of these events leading up to the convention. But I won't be giving my time and attention to them.

Hillary has proven herself to me as a woman of intelligence, character and integrity. I trust her and I believe that she will continue to be a champion for us. The next couple of months may be difficult ones but I am going to stand by her.

And I am not voting for BHO no matter what happens.

[PA_Voter]

Let's just watch what unfolds over the next two months...

Fitzgerald could indict him.... Someone could connect the dots to Donald Young and/or Larry Sinclair... BHO could himself implode, just unplug his teleprompter....

The possibilities are endless. Let's just sit tight and carry on to Denver (for Hillary)!

[Joe from WI]

Again, TRUST HILLARY...PERIOD! She is a woman of her word and she is proving that. She is doing what she has to do. She is a smart woman who will build her leverage in order to enact meaningful legislation and to look toward 2012. I personally will never vote for Obama. But if Hill ends up on that ticket, I will feel a lot more comfortable knowing she is there to exert influence.

Tell me : how can Hillary exert influence as VP? She and BO has different policies. eg. He supports the oil companies, she doesnt. BO is a fraud and flipflopper. How can she exert influence as VP? Dont forget MO is there to thumb on Hillary everyday.

Use your brain. The only influence Hillary gets is some speech at exhibitions. BO and MO will hoard all the limelight.

[hillary4change]

Is anyone upset that Hillary gave up to easily, I am

it seems like she doesn't care about the country, she just wants a job with this horrible guy.:mad:

yes she folded like a deck of cards way too fast.


What are y'all talking about? She didn't fold!! Do you not remember the immense pressure she was under to quit? She had been ignoring all the party elders and hotshots demanding that she quit!! The MSM was on her 24/7. Every word she spoke was under a racial and hate microscope. Do you remember the Kennedy crap? What is wrong here. Don't have a defeatist attitude! She did what she had to do, to mantain her power in the party and come back to fight another day! Give her some credit. These remarks really hurt!!

[VotingHillary]

As the Kenny Rogers song goes:
'You got to know when to hold them,
know when to fold them'
She has to take a long term view where Obama is probably defeated in November and she is the probable nominee in 2012. She simply cannot afford to come across as a 'sore loser' in '08 if she wants to get the votes of former Obamabots in 2012. The last thing she needs is a 'we were stabbed in the back by Hillary in '08' meme taking root. Unlike Obama she knows how and when to reach out to the other side

Exactly! Yes today's UNITY show brought to you by the DNC was a farce, but she is looking long term. If she didn't do this, MSNBC, CNN and all the other outlets would be even worse than they were to her during the campaign. I know that's hard to phathom, but trust me, they would. At a certain point, you have to deal with reality. she would not have a shot in 2012 if she didn't do this. The reality is this...Hillary is going to be the strong supporter so when the DNC cancels the roll-call vote, it will be there for all the nation's voters to see that she remained a great Democrat and the DNC is a joke for not honoring the candidate that won the popular vote. THE DNC, not Hillary, will truly look like the idiots in light of how they kept saying Gore won the popular vote and Bush wasn't the real elected president.

She is doing this for us because she knows Obama is going to fall on his face in November and is positioning herself as a true Democrat. The voters will remember.

[Steve in PA]

Why? She suspended her campaign; she didn't end it. Give BHO enough rope to hang himself, and he will. We've started to see it play out in the media already, but I also realize that all of this bad press would have been buried far under some new daily attack on Hillary if she didn't suspend her campaign.

So now that the frenzied, blood-thirsty media dogs don't have Hillary to encircle, they've started devoting their attention to BHO and his shortcomings. (Well, the ones who aren't trying to find a spin like "It's age, not race that will influence people's vote in the GE." Yeah right, the history books are just full of "over 60's only" water fountains and bathrooms in the South.) And it's making a difference. BHO is finally being shown as the empty suit we knew him to be months ago. I see a trend in more people becoming "undecided" about who they'll vote for in the GE the more they hear about him. And the majority of Hillary supporters I talk to here in PA are voting McCain.

Even better, some in the media are going on record saying, "Oops, some things went too far in the personal attacks on Hillary" or "Maybe there was more sexism than racism in this race". In other words, Hillary is getting the best press she has gotten in months. It bears repeating that we would have heard none of this had she stayed in it. Staying in would have fueled even more of the hatred and attacks, and there would be no focus on BHO at all.

Despite feeling somewhat ill at the sight of Hillary and BHO together, I understand that she is keeping her promise, which isn't a trait shared by you-know-who. She said she would support BHO if he won the nomination. We all know he doesn't have it yet, but if Hillary makes the casual appearance in support, the Democrats have nothing to begrudge her. In fact, they have a little to fear in her because she was able to command 18 million votes.

A big enough scandal with BHO (although with all the existing dirt that is already ignored, I'm sure it would have to be along the lines of starring in a gay porn movie), and Hillary with her existing delegates and can graciously accept the flock of SD's to her camp and accept the nomination in Denver. You never know what tomorrow brings (BHO could get hit by a bus - pure poetry given all the people he's thrown under there) and Hillary hasn't given anyone in the Democratic party a reason why they shouldn't support her.

So I say let Hillary attend a unity rally or two. Keep letting us read what a wonderful person you are from your former detractors and (gasp!) that there was bias against you in this race and in the media. Enjoy the boost to your public image. Even BHO is saying how terrific you are. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer, so that after Denver, if the DNC makes me vote for McCain in 2008, our work will be that much easier in 2012.

[reddirtgirl]

THE DNC, not Hillary, will truly look like the idiots in light of how they kept saying Gore won the popular vote and Bush wasn't the real elected president.

This is off topic in a way, yet very relevant to our "plight". I certainly don't want to start any war conversations, but just think where we would be today if Gore had been given his win.

This current election wouldn't have turned out to be the most important vote of our lifetimes. But since he "lost", we've invaded and occupied a country that was no threat to us, our economy is in the toilet, we're reviled around the world, and we've had an idiot in the White House for 8 years. All of these things have turned this into the most important election of our lifetimes.

It's astounding how much damage one person (president) can cause; that's one reason I will never ever vote NOBO.

PUMA!

[AnnaB]

She's just playing the role. Believe me there is probably a lot going on behind the scenes. It's all about strategy. You get more bees with honey.

[PunjabSherman]

and often asking about your ideas and thoughts. I always answer them back with a reply, asking that she: Stay in the race; Keep options open; Keep her voters support in mind; Not formally concede; Demand to have her name placed on ballot.

If a large number of her supporters did that, she may be inspired, encouraged, and feel moved to make our wish come true.

What do we want? Hillary as POTUS
When? Now, start emailing her.

"You can call it drafting a candidate" - HLF on Fox