**Mini Poll for HRC Forum**Please Tell Us Your Story**

[MaryKay]

Hi,

As many of the old timers on this site know, when I first started on here I posted some pretty good threads here on Hillary's main site, but I got away from that when things started to turn down for us and Hillary and I -- frankly -- got down about it. I've been asked to go back to my roots and write a piece for a well-respected Hillary site. I need some feedback, for those who would like to participate. Think of this as an informal "interview."

Note: I will post the link to the blog once completed and I will only quote those who submit by screen name. You do not have to answer all questions if you respond.

My piece is going to be on why the Obama supporters should not label us who do not want to go along for that ride. Many of you know I actually voted for Obama here in Florida and then became a very strong Hillary supporter come February. Here is what I would like:

(1) I need stories (real events) from those who have actually been "labeled" by Obama supporters as racist or otherwise. What was the situation that led you to be called that label or worse?

(2) What brought you to PUMA? What is your main objective?

(3) Will you vote for Obama if Hillary is on the ticket? Why or why not?

(4) Have you changed your party affiliation since Hillary suspended (note, I said SUSPENDED)

(5) Assuming Obama gets the nomination at the convention, what would the DNC have to do at this point to win you back after that?

(6) Many of you think that Obama is the worst presidential candidate the dems have ever run. Why do you feel that way? (Please avoid things we cannot prove or may not be true aka Muslim, Larry Sinclair, Whitey tape, you get the drift.. issues only, please -- but ideology responses okay)

(7) How would you define yourself, meaning, what made you vote for Hillary over Obama? What are some of your core values? Do you consider yourself a conservative dem, a moderate, a liberal or a progressive?

(8) What's the main thing that Obama has done to tick you off?

[joeysky18]

Bump. MK, can you give us a link to your blog?

[MaryKay]

Yes, it will be out on http://www.hillarygreenmountain.org/ once I write it and they post it for me. It's not my site. I was invited to write for it. :D

[joeysky18]

Yes, it will be out on http://www.hillarygreenmountain.org/ once I write it and Chad and Carla post it. :D

We all know that site and it's legit.

Goodie. I know Carla of the Greenmountain.

[MaryKay]

Carla and Chad are good people. I've been doing some emailing to the press for Carla since I started over here. :) This is why I was so eager to get my login working again today... to post this survey this evening. It was my bad, though. I can never remember my password here. I have so many of them.

[MaryKay]

Bump.

69 people have read this and none of you want to contribute stories? If you want to contribute but don't want to be quoted, please also let me know that. Thanks for your help, folks. I'd like to work on the blog post this weekend to get it up next week.

[Agent 00½ FL]

1) I need stories (real events) from those who have actually been "labeled" by Obama supporters as racist or otherwise. What was the situation that led you to be called that label or worse? Have not crossed paths with any Obots.

(2) What brought you to PUMA? What is your main objective?The DNC's decision on the primaries, especially the fact that FL Democrats will only be counted as half voters. They could have voted for FULL votes, but we all saw how BHO supporters voted against.

(3) Will you vote for Obama if Hillary is on the ticket? NOWhy or why not?He is not qualified, he could have a past elected president running with him and I still would not support him.

(4) Have you changed your party affiliation since Hillary suspended (note, I said SUSPENDED)Changing to Independent after the GE.

(5) Assuming Obama gets the nomination at the convention, what would the DNC have to do at this point to win you back after that?It is beyond repair with the DNC, "they are dead to me".

(6) Many of you think that Obama is the worst presidential candidate the dems have ever run. Why do you feel that way?He is inexperienced and has done anything politically to make him qualified. (Please avoid things we cannot prove or may not be true aka Muslim, Larry Sinclair, Whitey tape, you get the drift.. issues only, please -- but ideology responses okay)

(7) How would you define yourself, meaning, what made you vote for Hillary over Obama? What are some of your core values? Do you consider yourself a conservative dem, a moderate, a liberal or a progressive? I am an educated voter.

(8) What's the main thing that Obama has done to tick you off?Most everything he has done in recent months has ticked me off.

[Area504]

1)I don't really have a "story" about this, but I have encountered accusations of racism by one particular member of another message board due to non-support of Barack Obama (these accusations were thrown around to anyone who supported Hillary by this one member).

Here are a couple of examples, but there are many more:
http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=93317&view=findpost&p=839224

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=89232&view=findpost&p=816597

I haven't encountered any Obamabots in the "real" world.

2) I've been a registered Independent for almost 10 years, so I guess that makes me a PUMA! What brought me to that conclusion was a dislike for blindly following either political party no matter what. I like to make my own decisions about what is the right choice in a given situation.

My objective in this election is to defeat Barack Obama.

3) I will not vote for Barack Obama under any circumstances.

4) No.

5) There is nothing anyone could do to get me to vote for Obama after all the things I've learned about him over the past 6 months.

6) Here are my reasons for thinking he is the worst candidate: his background remains a mystery that no one seems curious enough to investigate, he has associated closely with too many people who have a strong hatred of this country, only 4 years ago he was still in the Illinois state legislature (inexperience), he has absolutely zero legislative accomplishments for someone who has risen up the ranks of politics so quickly. He is a dishonest and hypocritical flip-flopper; he can't be trusted to mean what he says. He is elitist and arrogant, claiming to serve as a "blank screen on which people...project their own views." (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/12/obama_scores_as_an_exotic_who.html) What does that tell us about who he really is? Nothing. No one knows the real Barack Obama, and he will be elected before the mainstream media gets curious enough to learn more about him.

7) I actually didn't vote for Hillary in my state's primary (sorry! I voted for Ron Paul). I define myself as a moderate libertarian.

8) I don't know that I can say there is any one thing that Obama has done to tick me off as much as I can say the many examples of his arrogance get me pretty steamed!

[MaryKay]

Bump. Any other takers? I thank those who contributed.

[wasGOPnowInd]

(1) I need stories (real events) from those who have actually been "labeled" by Obama supporters as racist or otherwise. What was the situation that led you to be called that label or worse?

Answer: On the HillaryClinton.com and DNC.org sites I encountered the most "bots", and my story is like so many others, there was no provocation other than I was not drinking the kool-aid. But, in person, I typically get the "How could you vote for McCain? What about Roe v. Wade? yada, yada..." I also tend to get the sense that there is a general feeling that there is racist motivation. My responses have been that voting against Obama and the DNC is in fact a very feminist act, as it is an action that speaks very loudly and clearly that misogyny should never be tolerated. And, that if I were to vote for Obama, it would be the most racist thing I could do, because given his lack of experience, I would only be voting for him based upon his race.

(2) What brought you to PUMA? What is your main objective?

Answer: I was so happy to find I was not alone in my frustration, anger and disgust at what had taken place. I have been an Independent for a long time because I believe the two major parties long ago stopped working on behalf of the people. They are monopolies that orchestrate elections. I only registered as a Dem to vote for Hillary. PUMA is the beginning of what I hope is the end of these monolithic and unresponsive systems in which only the rich and connected represent the people. As for objectives: Get Hillary nominated, stand up to the DNC, and if not Hillary in 2008 then John in 2008 and Hillary in 2012! Also, an added objective was to retire her debt with as little help from Obama supporters as possible.

(3) Will you vote for Obama if Hillary is on the ticket? Why or why not?

No. I will not vote for him at the top of the ticket. He is inexperienced, and quite honestly, over the past several months, I have found him to be arrogant, out of touch, and a man who has no set convictions, willing to throw anyone under the bus to get ahead. If Hillary is not the nominee for President, my vote goes to John McCain, who has served his country honorably and well, has worked with Reps and Dems on legislative reform (McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, Gang of 14, etc.). I may not agree with him on everything, but I know where he stands, and I trust him to be honest with me (something we have not had with GWB, nor will we with BHO).

(4) Have you changed your party affiliation since Hillary suspended (note, I said SUSPENDED)

Answer: Not yet. I am having far too much fun sending back my solicitations from the DNC (on their dime) with comments and funny money! But, I most certainly will go back to being an Independent. In the interest of full disclosure though, I never intended to remain a Democrat. Heck, I never thought I would ever do such a thing, but Hillary's candidacy so electrified me that I found myself willing and eager to join up, if only to vote for her in the primary.

(5) Assuming Obama gets the nomination at the convention, what would the DNC have to do at this point to win you back after that?

Answer: They can kiss my furry PUMA A$$. They never will win me back. PERIOD! I will go to work, as I did for Hillary, on behalf of John.

(6) Many of you think that Obama is the worst presidential candidate the dems have ever run. Why do you feel that way? (Please avoid things we cannot prove or may not be true aka Muslim, Larry Sinclair, Whitey tape, you get the drift.. issues only, please -- but ideology responses okay)

Answer: No experience (total of 143 days in the Senate, no hearings held, nothing - big fat 0). Not showing up for votes, or voting "Present", or "I pushed the wrong button" (what is he, 4 years old? the wrong button??? geez!) For example, he failed to show up (in this day of war) to vote on the Iranian National Guard issue, yet turned around and criticized Hillary and John for their votes! Either play in the game, or get off the field. And while very few politicians are squeaky clean, he has the audacity to pass himself off as some type of "new politics messiah" with friends the likes of Rezko, Wright, and Ayers. Add in his arrogance and sexist (remember the "sweetie" comment, the snub on the Senate floor, his wife saying she has to pick up after him, and of course, "you're likeable enough Hillary"), and well, I would sooner vote for Bozo the clown (no wait, we have had 7 years of that).

(7) How would you define yourself, meaning, what made you vote for Hillary over Obama? What are some of your core values? Do you consider yourself a conservative dem, a moderate, a liberal or a progressive?

Answer: Both Hillary and John are moderates, as I am. My core values are basically centered on this: We are all children of God (yes, even GWB and BHO - Cheney, well, that's a tough call). All of us must look out for one another. In a more practical political sense, we must stop looking at Rep and Dems in black/white or good/evil terms. We must work together and bring health care to all, and work on the Millennium Development Goals (see UN for info.), and try to solve our problems together. Hillary and John both worked across the aisle to do this. Both have put in countless hours in service to their country, both took political risks, and both are well respected both here and abroad.

(8) What's the main thing that Obama has done to tick you off?

Answer: The biggest is that he ran! He is 46 years old, with no experience (as they say, "would you vote for a woman or a white male with Barack's experience?"). Had he actually taken the time to do some solid work in the Senate, all the money that Hillary had raised could have been used to position her to take on the Presidency and this thing would be a cake walk (and he would be well positioned to be the nominee in 8 years). His arrogance, his inability to see beyond his own self, is leading the DNC over a cliff. In his speeches I hear a flim-flam artist who has truly bamboozled his cultish followers. I find him to be cocky, sexist, and a snob. When I think of Obama, I think of "The Audacity of Hype".

[SadStateOfAffairs]

Hi,

As many of the old timers on this site know, when I first started on here I posted some pretty good threads here on Hillary's main site, but I got away from that when things started to turn down for us and Hillary and I -- frankly -- got down about it. I've been asked to go back to my roots and write a piece for a well-respected Hillary site. I need some feedback, for those who would like to participate. Think of this as an informal "interview."

Note: I will post the link to the blog once completed and I will only quote those who submit by screen name. You do not have to answer all questions if you respond.

My piece is going to be on why the Obama supporters should not label us who do not want to go along for that ride. Many of you know I actually voted for Obama here in Florida and then became a very strong Hillary supporter come February. Here is what I would like:

(1) I need stories (real events) from those who have actually been "labeled" by Obama supporters as racist or otherwise. What was the situation that led you to be called that label or worse? Don't know any Obama supporters.

(2) What brought you to PUMA? What is your main objective? To take back the Democratic Party.

(3) Will you vote for Obama if Hillary is on the ticket? Why or why not?No. Obama has no credentials, nor has he shown any capabilities to lead. Quite the opposite, he is immature and dangerous.

(4) Have you changed your party affiliation since Hillary suspended (note, I said SUSPENDED)No. I intend on voting OUT those Dems who do not have the countries best interest at heart.

(5) Assuming Obama gets the nomination at the convention, what would the DNC have to do at this point to win you back after that?Remove the elitist insiders and change the voting system.

(6) Many of you think that Obama is the worst presidential candidate the dems have ever run. Why do you feel that way? (Please avoid things we cannot prove or may not be true aka Muslim, Larry Sinclair, Whitey tape, you get the drift.. issues only, please -- but ideology responses okay)This is a difficult questions because I have no idea what his stance is on policies/ideology, no trust whatsoever.

(7) How would you define yourself, meaning, what made you vote for Hillary over Obama? What are some of your core values? Do you consider yourself a conservative dem, a moderate, a liberal or a progressive?Hillary, I think, understands and is "in touch" with ordinary everyday Americans. She has integrity, intelligence and compassion. I consider myself to be moderate and agree with a few of the Republican issues, such as capitalism, small government.

(8) What's the main thing that Obama has done to tick you off?The constant lies, fabrications, dismissiveness. But the most egregious thing he has done is to brainwash our young people.

[wasGOPnowInd]

(5) Assuming Obama gets the nomination at the convention, what would the DNC have to do at this point to win you back after that?It is beyond repair with the DNC, "they are dead to me".


This gives me a an idea.... I will post it in the main room, but what if we were to all wear a symbol of our "grief" as it were. Those in the Jewish faith tear their clothes, but what about something more practical like wearing a wrist band. We could make it black with raised PUMA letters, or something like that.

[hipelayne]

This gives me a an idea.... I will post it in the main room, but what if we were to all wear a symbol of our "grief" as it were. Those in the Jewish faith tear their clothes, but what about something more practical like wearing a wrist band. We could make it black with raised PUMA letters, or something like that.

I LOVE that idea! Fantastic! I would buy one! :D (As long as I don't have to tear my clothes - I don't have much in my closet to start with!) :D

[Alex01]

This gives me a an idea.... I will post it in the main room, but what if we were to all wear a symbol of our "grief" as it were...what about something more practical like wearing a wrist band. We could make it black with raised PUMA letters, or something like that.

I like that idea a LOT! :-)

[hipelayne]

(1) I need stories (real events) from those who have actually been "labeled" by Obama supporters as racist or otherwise. What was the situation that led you to be called that label or worse? Funny you should ask, just last night my Kool-aid drinking ex-husband told me that I must be a member of the John Birch Society because I told him I didn't support, nor would I ever support, BHO! He also suggested that I was racist - this coming from a "good ole southern boy", who, when my daughter was pregnant with my bi-racial grandson had all kinds of choice names for him

(2) What brought you to PUMA? Anger and frustration at the whole primary debacle What is your main objective? Justice

(3) Will you vote for Obama if Hillary is on the ticket? No Why or why not? The POTUS should be far more experienced than the VP, not the other way around

(4) Have you changed your party affiliation since Hillary suspended (note, I said SUSPENDED) I do believe I am independent

(5) Assuming Obama gets the nomination at the convention, what would the DNC have to do at this point to win you back after that? Apologize to Senator Clinton! Fire Dean, Pelosi, Reid, Brazille! Get rid of caucuses! Make Superdelegates keep their mouths shut in future elections until roll call at the convention

(6) Many of you think that Obama is the worst presidential candidate the dems have ever run. Why do you feel that way? (Please avoid things we cannot prove or may not be true aka Muslim, Larry Sinclair, Whitey tape, you get the drift.. issues only, please -- but ideology responses okay) He is far too inexperienced - flip flops - can't speak without a teleprompter - has very questionable associates - lies - cries "racist" when things don't go his way - has no real plan for anything, but to become POTUS!

(7) How would you define yourself, meaning, what made you vote for Hillary over Obama? What are some of your core values? Do you consider yourself a conservative dem, a moderate, a liberal or a progressive? Hillary Clinton won me over with her class in the 90's and her vast knowledge of all subjects presidential

(8) What's the main thing that Obama has done to tick you off? There are many, many reasons - however, the man cannot be trusted - he will sell out the US to the highest bidder

Good luck with this ....

[DiamondTiger]

Hi,

As many of the old timers on this site know, when I first started on here I posted some pretty good threads here on Hillary's main site, but I got away from that when things started to turn down for us and Hillary and I -- frankly -- got down about it. I've been asked to go back to my roots and write a piece for a well-respected Hillary site. I need some feedback, for those who would like to participate. Think of this as an informal "interview."

Note: I will post the link to the blog once completed and I will only quote those who submit by screen name. You do not have to answer all questions if you respond.

My piece is going to be on why the Obama supporters should not label us who do not want to go along for that ride. Many of you know I actually voted for Obama here in Florida and then became a very strong Hillary supporter come February. Here is what I would like:

(1) I need stories (real events) from those who have actually been "labeled" by Obama supporters as racist or otherwise. What was the situation that led you to be called that label or worse? I have not been labeled by Obots, but my brother who is an Obama supporter blocked email from me after a couple of heated discussions about MI and FL. He's exact quote to me was "If the rules are broken and it breaks my candidate's way, then I'm okay with it." I had to say WTF after that. We haven't spoken in 2 months.

(2) What brought you to PUMA? What is your main objective? I joined JSND and Pumapac as soon as they were up and running because I take being an american and democracy very seriously. After what happened with Bush in 2000, I did not want the DNC to use that as a precedent to continue to ruin this country and democracy. They are using the RNC's own playbook against the American Public. My main objective is to get Hillary elected President and we have to get her nominated to do that OR get her to start an indie party and run that way.

(3) Will you vote for Obama if Hillary is on the ticket? Why or why not? I cannot vote for Obama even if Hillary is on the ticket because it's still the Obamanation calling the shots. They will discard her as soon as she has done the job they need her to do.

(4) Have you changed your party affiliation since Hillary suspended (note, I said SUSPENDED) I have been an indie for a very long, long time.

(5) Assuming Obama gets the nomination at the convention, what would the DNC have to do at this point to win you back after that? There is nothing that will buy the railroading of democracy. Nothing.

(6) Many of you think that Obama is the worst presidential candidate the dems have ever run. Why do you feel that way? (Please avoid things we cannot prove or may not be true aka Muslim, Larry Sinclair, Whitey tape, you get the drift.. issues only, please -- but ideology responses okay) I think he is the worst presidential candidate EVER because we have NO IDEA what he really thinks and because of his lack of record, there is no way of knowing. I do not trust him and the DNC.

(7) How would you define yourself, meaning, what made you vote for Hillary over Obama? What are some of your core values? Do you consider yourself a conservative dem, a moderate, a liberal or a progressive? I am an indie moderate that believes that Hillary knows what she is talking about and is willing to stand up for what she believes in. It is a centrist position.

(8) What's the main thing that Obama has done to tick you off?

That's a way long list. Obama pissed me off when he flipped Clinton off and pandered to the young vote. It was the most immature abuse of power I have ever seen and completely unpresidential and demeaning to his opponent. The DNC really pissed me off with that fiasco on May 31st. The Death of Democracy as I call it.

[wasGOPnowInd]

Well said DiamondTiger.

[Agent 00½ FL]

This gives me a an idea.... I will post it in the main room, but what if we were to all wear a symbol of our "grief" as it were. Those in the Jewish faith tear their clothes, but what about something more practical like wearing a wrist band. We could make it black with raised PUMA letters, or something like that.

God forbid BHO gets elected. If this happens I will be wearing a black veil until the next election. For real.

[Les33]

(1) I need stories (real events) from those who have actually been "labeled" by Obama supporters as racist or otherwise. What was the situation that led you to be called that label or worse?

My unpleasant encounters with Obama supporters have occurred online, other than at the demo (in April?) at the Today Show in NYC, where a man came by the protest group and yelled "f**K Hillary" several times. I've made a few videos for YouTube and have been told in the comments that I'm full of sh** and suck and am an idiot, etc.

(2) What brought you to PUMA? What is your main objective?

I want to rebel against the DNC. I'm angry at the manipulation of the primary and believe the Party has proven itself to be fraudulent.

(3) Will you vote for Obama if Hillary is on the ticket? Why or why not?
No. I don't want this to happen. My aversion to Obama is too intense. I've pledged to not vote for him.

(4) Have you changed your party affiliation since Hillary suspended (note, I said SUSPENDED)
I don't have a new card yet but consider myself Independent now.

(5) Assuming Obama gets the nomination at the convention, what would the DNC have to do at this point to win you back after that?
They can't win me back. I'll vote my conscience from now on.

(6) Many of you think that Obama is the worst presidential candidate the dems have ever run. Why do you feel that way? (Please avoid things we cannot prove or may not be true aka Muslim, Larry Sinclair, Whitey tape, you get the drift.. issues only, please -- but ideology responses okay)

Obama is an opportunist. I don't believe he's actually invested in ANY of the issues. His agenda is to empower himself, and he does this by using people or groups of influence (such as Trinity Church or the African American population at large), which he readily discards if they cease to advance his ambition. If he were a character in a movie, I suspect a reviewer would find fault with how flat and predictable his part is. An egocentric climber. I know I'm not stating facts, but this is my impression which is based on his behavior—how he dealt with Alice Palmer, his alliance with Rezko and the resulting slums in his Chicago State Senate district, his disavowal of Rev. Wright only when he felt personally disrespected, his paltry record of charitable contributions throughout the years, his manipulation of his own biography to better ingratiate himself to various groups, and so on.


(7) How would you define yourself, meaning, what made you vote for Hillary over Obama? What are some of your core values? Do you consider yourself a conservative dem, a moderate, a liberal or a progressive?
I'm a liberal. I believe in helping people. Hillary is a liberal champion.

(8) What's the main thing that Obama has done to tick you off?
Be the personification of arrogance.

[kyforhillary]

1) I need stories (real events) from those who have actually been "labeled" by Obama supporters as racist or otherwise. What was the situation that led you to be called that label or worse? I was blogging after the ABC debate on their website, and because my screen name contained the word Kentucky, I was immediately labeled as a toothless, white trailer trash racist. In the seven months I have been involved in this, every time I have tried to reason with Obama people, at the very get go of the conversation, I am labeled a racist as well.









(2) What brought you to PUMA? What is your main objective?
When Puma was formed, I saw it announced on this forum and joined. My main objective iis to defeat Obama at any and all costs.
(3) Will you vote for Obama if Hillary is on the ticket? Why or why not?
No, I will not vote for Obama, no matter who is on the ticket.
(4) Have you changed your party affiliation since Hillary suspended (note, I said SUSPENDED)
No, I have not as of yet.
(5) Assuming Obama gets the nomination at the convention, what would the DNC have to do at this point to win you back after that?
I can't imagine leaving the party for good, but what I can imagine doing before I would actually leave the party is to help get everyone in my state that went against the will of our people defeated. By then, maybe some good Democrats will come along that I can support.
(6) Many of you think that Obama is the worst presidential candidate the dems have ever run. Why do you feel that way? (Please avoid things we cannot prove or may not be true aka Muslim, Larry Sinclair, Whitey tape, you get the drift.. issues only, please -- but ideology responses okay)
See, the may or may not be true of the Muslim thing is one thing I absolutely don't understand. He was born to a Muslim father, that is provable, so therefore, so is he. I can say I am a chicken, but that doesn't make it true. The lineage is there, he hasn't denounced it, so I don't get it when people defend that he is not. I was devasted when I heard Rev. Wright's rants. I knew right then that race relations were set back at least 50 years. When I hear Obama use the race issue and his supporters extend it because he said it, I can't support someone like that. He devasted Bill and Hillary, and for that I can't forgive him.
(7) How would you define yourself, meaning, what made you vote for Hillary over Obama? What are some of your core values? Do you consider yourself a conservative dem, a moderate, a liberal or a progressive?
I voted for Hillary because she has the experience to run this country and turn it in the right direction, she has such a grasp of the issues, you will never ever hear her do the flip flop routine. I guess I would consider myself a moderate.
(8) What's the main thing that Obama has done to tick you off?
Played the race card above and beyond all else he has done, even flipping Hillary off,
it is the race card.

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[MaryKay]

Thanks to everyoen who posted. I really appreciate your honesty in your responses. This is going to be a good article.

It's sad how this contest has actually torn families apart.

[Hillicrat]

(1) I need stories (real events) from those who have actually been "labeled" by Obama supporters as racist or otherwise. What was the situation that led you to be called that label or worse? I have been called a racist, ****, etc. while blogging for defense of Hillary during the primary's. I would retaliate with phrases like "It's easier to draw flies with honey than vinegar." "You can tell you are an educated Obama supporter by the foul language." I never would lower myself to their level, but I would make thought provoking comments. I also would lecture on how they were the outward representation of Obama and if they were any indication of the type of person he is, then he won't have my vote.

(2) What brought you to PUMA? What is your main objective? I came to PUMA when Hillaryclinton.com became compromised after her suspension speech. Blogs were being deleted and it looked like it had an Obama take over. I needed a connection with like minded people.
(3) Will you vote for Obama if Hillary is on the ticket? Why or why not? No I won't. It has to be Hillary without Obama. I have never liked the Obama as a presidential candidate. I observe body language, facial expressions, and I listen to vocal nuances. In the beginning the Obama gave speeches about hope and dreams. To sum it up, he was preachy. This was the Obama in his best element. He never spoke of issues, just hopes and dreams. When pressed for issues, he started mirroring Hillary's issues with slight differences. When he would speak on the issues his vocals were weak, hesitant, and seemingly unsure of the topics. When he would speak on his hopes and dreams he became confident. I knew then that I could tell which words he truly owned and which were written for him to speak. From then on I knew that the Obama was simply a store front and I wanted to know who was behind him. Even though the Obama would be kept in check with Hillary on his ticket, it would still be ridiculus to have him as president.

(4) Have you changed your party affiliation since Hillary suspended (note, I said SUSPENDED) Not yet. I am waiting until after I vote to show that a Democrat voted for a Republican president and mostly Democrat for every thing else. Afterwards I will switch to Independent and I will never move back. (But of course as I have been told by an Obama supporter, they don't need me.)
(5) Assuming Obama gets the nomination at the convention, what would the DNC have to do at this point to win you back after that? I doubt if there would be anything they could do. They have already lost me. Remember, I don't matter.
(6) Many of you think that Obama is the worst presidential candidate the dems have ever run. Why do you feel that way? He is definately the most ill prepared. It is his attitude that projects a lack of sincerity. The Obama did not have any defining credentials, hence, his lack of experience. I understand now why Ted Kennedy said he had enough experience, because the Obama has a multitude of experience among his key supporters. (Kennedy, Kerry, Edwards, Gore, Dean, etc.) He is a store front. (Please avoid things we cannot prove or may not be true aka Muslim, Larry Sinclair, Whitey tape, you get the drift.. issues only, please -- but ideology responses okay)

(7) How would you define yourself, meaning, what made you vote for Hillary over Obama? What are some of your core values? Do you consider yourself a conservative dem, a moderate, a liberal or a progressive? I voted for Hillary because she is a strong woman. She says and does things in our best interest whether we realize it or not. I don't believe she generally yields to pressure except in the case to suspend her campaign, but I can relate. In her defense she did go as far as she could without ruining her career. I am inclined to think that she is not a "yes" person to Kennedy, Gore, Dean, Edwards, and Kerry and that's why they felt they needed to field a young relatively unknown, yet ambitious "champion" to defeat her in the primary's. They also employed crooked tactics at the caucuses. The fact that they went to such extreme to dethrone Hillary elevates her even more in my eyes. Politically I would have described myself as a moderate democrat. My core values include truth, integrity, fairness, etc.
(8) What's the main thing that Obama has done to tick you off? I never had high expectatons of the Obama so he has done nothing to tick me off. I've listened to him and I could never buy into the supposed truthfulness of his words.

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(3) Will you vote for Obama if Hillary is on the ticket? Why or why not? No I won't. It has to be Hillary without Obama. I have never liked the Obama as a presidential candidate. I observe body language, facial expressions, and I listen to vocal nuances. In the beginning the Obama gave speeches about hope and dreams. To sum it up, he was preachy. This was the Obama in his best element. He never spoke of issues, just hopes and dreams. When pressed for issues, he started mirroring Hillary's issues with slight differences. When he would speak on the issues his vocals were weak, hesitant, and seemingly unsure of the topics. When he would speak on his hopes and dreams he became confident. I knew then that I could tell which words he truly owned and which were written for him to speak. From then on I knew that the Obama was simply a store front and I wanted to know who was behind him. Even though the Obama would be kept in check with Hillary on his ticket, it would still be ridiculus to have him as president.
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Love it! Well said.

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(1) I need stories (real events) from those who have actually been "labeled" by Obama supporters as racist or otherwise. What was the situation that led you to be called that label or worse?

I've been called a racist on MyDD, DailyKos, and Huffpo for simply stating that Obama was an opportunist sexist and that is the reason I won't vote for him. Their response was that McCain didn't support women's issues and of course I am a racist for not voting Obama then. Mind you not one of these people know if I'm voting Green Party or what I'm actually going to do. Not ONE answered my charge of the way the DNC stayed silent about the misogyny in the media and the way Obama used it to his advantage. I'm a "racist" but, misogyny didn't rate enough for them to stand up to it too. This showed me who is valued in this country and who is not. Obama inspires a win at all costs ideal and that's not the democratic party I thought I knew.

(2) What brought you to PUMA? What is your main objective?

Make the DNC, get rid of the current leadership. Get Hillary on the first roll call in a legitimate process as per the rules and most importantly have them recognize the IMPORTANCE of her race as every bit as historical as Obama's. Stop playing fast and loose with the "rulz" when it suits you for George Soro's or anyone else's money. Investigate the caucus states and cheating and stick to your word. She WON the popular vote which I clearly remember the DNC saying was all important just a few years ago. What don't I want PUMA to accomplish is an easier question. There is so much mess to clean up from these crooks now. I want my party back! The dems are wearing the black hats now and we have to have at least one party that represents what is right with America. It used to be the dems. PUMAS know we are being hijacked and "hoodwinked" into a rigged primary season. They just forgot that a lot of us are life long activists who know b.s. when we see it and we know how to fight back against it too. Liberals have lots of practice at that. I am in PUMA for the same reason I've ever joined any organization fighting for doing the right thing.

(3) Will you vote for Obama if Hillary is on the ticket? Why or why not?

I used to think I would but, not now. I waited for Hillary to run for a very long time. I do not want her going as vp and waiting eight years to "perhaps" run again. I'd only vote this ticket with her name at the top. It does not make sense to me for the most qualified person to go after the less experienced younger person. We could have had sixteen years in the White House with her on the top of the ticket and him as vp. It also would have quelled the people saying he lacks "experience" AND he's much younger. It's going to be too hard for her to run in eight years..they'll use her gender AND her age against her then. Besides, I really would have to think hard about Obama anywhere on the ticket now after all I've seen him pull and never apologize for or even try to understand. He's blown off and minimized Hillary's accomplishments. Even lied about them to make his thin resume not seem so small by comparison. That's sexist to me. I won't trust him with issues that are important to me after some of what I've seen him do.

(4) Have you changed your party affiliation since Hillary suspended (note, I said SUSPENDED)

I am not an independent, yes.

(5) Assuming Obama gets the nomination at the convention, what would the DNC have to do at this point to win you back after that?

There is nothing they could ever do if he is the nominee. Try me again in four to eight years. Too much has been done. I no longer trust the leaders of this party to keep their word, to represent anything I care about at all. I think I'll stay independent until they actually PROVE they deserve my loyalty. Women have been the backbone of this party and they counted on us always voting with the dems because where else would we go right? I mean no matter what they decided to do they thought we would continue to be good little foot soldiers. They went to far when they didn't speak out against the blood bath of misogyny in the media and indeed they used it to help Obama win. Sorry, but would you ask any other minority to vote for a group or person who sat still for such an injustice against you? Only women are expected to sit down, and ignore it because they think we won't walk. This time some of us will. A lot of us. And good luck getting my dollars or my hands for hard work until you do a hell of a lot to rectify such an injustice. It's not "anger" or a "grief period" It's standing up to an injustice as any other group would rightfully do in this situation. The DNC is unjust. What can they do to get me back? Prove they are just and honorable again, and apologize for betraying eighteen million voters, and the future generations who will see what they did and wonder why they were not held accountable.

(6) Many of you think that Obama is the worst presidential candidate the dems have ever run. Why do you feel that way? (Please avoid things we cannot prove or may not be true aka Muslim, Larry Sinclair, Whitey tape, you get the drift.. issues only, please -- but ideology responses okay)

I don't care if Obama is a muslim one bit. I care if he is a proven liar. I care if he used misogyny to win. I waited for him or his wife to say one word about it. I even wanted them to. Nothing at all. I still remember the first time I saw Michelle interviewed. I watched it because it was at the height of the media onslaught against Hillary and I still thought I might vote for Obama if it came to that. What did she say? Nothing. In fact she said that if Hillary was the nominee she'd have to "think about it" as to whether or not she could vote for her. That was IT for me. I knew right then that both of them were using what was happening to Hillary and by proxy every woman affected by it to their advantage. I knew then I could never vote for such underhanded people. I'll never forgive what they did and sat silent for. I work in a womans shelter and I happen to know that when misogyny is allowed to rise to that level in the MSM it has real life consequences. I cannot believe the very well educated Obama's do not know this too. So for them, as liberal democrats to use that to their advantage? I'm not ever voting for people that low. Ever.

(7) How would you define yourself, meaning, what made you vote for Hillary over Obama? What are some of your core values? Do you consider yourself a conservative dem, a moderate, a liberal or a progressive?

I've followed Hillary's career ever since I saw how dedicated she was to improving the education system in Little Rock. I still remember how the media gave her such a hard time there because she didn't take Bill's last name at that time. She finally did and announced that if the media would focus finally on the issues she cared about that she would henceforth be known as Hillary Rodham Clinton. From that point on she had me. You have to understand how conservative it was there, how hard she had to fight to win over the people. She did. They still love her there because the initiatives she put in place are still working very well. From that point on as a young woman I knew she was different. Her speech in Beijing blew me away. I always hoped she would run and when she finally did, it was with great enthusiasm that I supported her. I am a very liberal person and as you can see very concerned about women's issues. Only Hillary had a very detailed and very well informed WORKABLE knowledge of those issues around the world. Obama was a second choice but, I wasn't impressed that it seemed he had copied alot of the issues she had worked on for years and sort of taken them claiming they were "his" own. I don't want to vote for just "any" woman. I wanted it to be Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton or nobody else right now for POTUS.

(8) What's the main thing that Obama has done to tick you off?

See above. He uses rampant misogyny to win. That's the main thing. There is so much more now but, I think that's plenty.

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This gives me a an idea.... I will post it in the main room, but what if we were to all wear a symbol of our "grief" as it were. Those in the Jewish faith tear their clothes, but what about something more practical like wearing a wrist band. We could make it black with raised PUMA letters, or something like that.
Love it!