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wasGOPnowInd
07-11-2008, 12:07 PM
The facade is starting to crack folks!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/07/whats_wrong_with_senator_obama.html

My 14 year old son loves Barack Obama. He plays the "Yes We Can" music video by will.i.m so often he can recite Obama's New Hampshire speech (from which the video was made) word for word. Obama gave his 'Yes We Can' speech after losing the New Hampshire primary to Hillary Clinton. That refrain, meant to encourage his supporters after the loss, quickly became the mantra for Obama's campaign.

Far from needing encouragement, his supporters were energized by the New Hampshire defeat. My kid kept bugging me to get behind Obama. I tried to tell him as a political analyst for Fox News I had to stay neutral. He wasn't buying that and reminded me that his grandfather (my dad) had been involved in the civil rights movement and "if granddaddy was still around he would be for Obama". That was followed by "you're a wuss".

So I was a little surprised last week when my son asked me, "What's wrong with Senator Obama?" I asked why. "Because he sounds different", he says. Thinking the kid was referring to Obama's recent moves to the center on some issues I tell him every candidate for president repositions for the general election. My son gives me one of those teenage 'what planet are you on' looks and says, "never mind."

It took awhile but I realized my point about Obama's repositioning on Iraq, FISA, etc meant nothing to my kid. All he knew was that the "Obama of Summer" was somehow different than the Yes We Can "Obama of Winter" - and it bothered him. To my kid it wasn't a question of issues, but a perception that somehow Obama had changed. As Barack Obama learned this week it is a perception shared by thousands of his supporters who do understand the issues and, unlike my son, can vote.

wasGOPnowInd
07-11-2008, 12:08 PM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/07/obamas_changes_raise_issue_can.html

SugnSpicesmom
07-11-2008, 12:15 PM
Pending such an unlikely event, the question is open: Is this guy the real deal, or an eloquent phony? A flip-flopper, a cynic, just an ordinary pol with a gift of the gab -- or a genuine center-liberal capable of tacking while steering a determined course?

I think WE all know the truth about Obama. The media and the rest of the koolaid drinkers just need to catch up.

Mrsawd
07-11-2008, 12:16 PM
Yes Even the Children are starting to figure out this ignorance Now !

The Democrats Destruction is thier own Fault for Pushing Obama !

If I remember or hear the Grand kids singing that little tune they were last week I will post it !

What is Bad the tune makes sense and I believe the 2 oldest one in the group were only 8 !

wasGOPnowInd
07-11-2008, 12:18 PM
Yes Even the Children are starting to figure out this ignorance Now !

The Democrats Destruction is thier own Fault for Pushing Obama !

If I remember or hear the Grand kids singing that little tune they were last week I will post it !

What is Bad the tune makes sense and I believe the 2 oldest one in the group were only 8 !

I must have missed something...

mkreyns
07-11-2008, 12:19 PM
The facade is starting to crack folks!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/07/whats_wrong_with_senator_obama.html

Interesting that that article was written by none other than Bob Beckel. I cannot believe that he said he was "neutral" as a political analyst. That is a laugh!

Obama's tone of voice and delivery are very different now than back in the winter. Now he sounds like an angry dictator where there were only subtle hints of dictating before.

freespirit
07-11-2008, 12:29 PM
Beckel misses the mark in giving BO a pass on all of the flip-flopping. Sure, some modification may be necessary as part of wise and thoughtful compromise, but BO is just preaching to the choir. If he's addressing the evangelicals, he's all abut faith based programs. If he wants to reach the NRA crowd, he's totally against gun control. If he's out to tap the conservative voter - we may need to remain in Iraq. He's about change, alright - He CHANGES with the political wind. Any way you spin it, he's a loser.

Folamix
07-11-2008, 12:32 PM
Interesting that that article was written by none other than Bob Beckel. I cannot believe that he said he was "neutral" as a political analyst. That is a laugh!

Obama's tone of voice and delivery are very different now than back in the winter. Now he sounds like an angry dictator where there were only subtle hints of dictating before.


I have not followed him closely but I can say that article did not sound neutral at all, he sounded like he was still trying to excuse BO's flipflops

Catherine
07-11-2008, 12:53 PM
I posted the following at RCP. I've posted it frequently in response to articles about BO's faltering appeal. I've been accused of "spamming" which I take as a compliment. It means that people remember the message.


Obama has that “new boyfriend” syndrome. Lots of excitement and he looked damn near perfect in those early days. You know, when you get to project on him all those traits you’re looking for beyond cute and smart - character, depth, humor, a moral center.

As time goes on, he’s no longer the shiny new thing. He disses your best friend (behind her back of course), you begin to see his smarminess when he sucks up to your boss and he just doesn’t fit in or get your family’s zany, noisy humor - and he’s stopped trying. The ultimate deal breaker - you learn that he’ll do or say anything to get what he wants.

You know the type - you’ve dated him or perhaps it’s your daughter or a good friend. He just never lived up to the promise of those first, early days. Best to heed the advice you’ve given or gotten - Lose him quick and move on.

Christines
07-11-2008, 01:14 PM
Bob Beckel neutral! That will be the day. He is one of Obama's biggest cheer leaders. But his son is right on. I have noticed the lack luster tone of voice and haggard look. Yes, he is different then the Winter Obama. This is the real
Obama.

SugnSpicesmom
07-11-2008, 01:31 PM
I have not followed him closely but I can say that article did not sound neutral at all, he sounded like he was still trying to excuse BO's flipflops


The day that Beckel proves he has been neutral in this shame of a primary is the day I'll welcome Obama into my home. Guess what? That will NEVER happen - neither one of those!!!

underpaidnurse
07-11-2008, 01:35 PM
Beckel is a tool, and I see this article as his way of weasling himself out of backing a loosing candidate.

Kbentleyis
07-11-2008, 01:51 PM
We saw this all along and just now people are picking up on it. America must become better voters, yes? We, that are older, have heard it all, but the youth look at BHO as an end to BS. Little did they know BHO is full of it.

As for Beckel, he's an idiot. Right along side BHO.

Joe from WI
07-11-2008, 02:37 PM
I have been saying this a thousand times : BO is bull shit.

He gets to where he is now because of DNC backing him. He is a fraud and marketing gimmick of the DEM Party ruled by idiots.

Karen Keefe
07-11-2008, 02:57 PM
Character or lack thereof always shines through. BO has to work hard now and isn't getting a free ride, despite the free passes he's gotten for years. He's incompetent, corrupt and tired of lying, so he's throwing tantrums or whining to distract us from his liabilities. Thanks again to Hillary for playing all the way through the primary game so we the spectator/voters could see who she and BHO really are.

Democracy is work, hard work. Hillary is willing to work. BHO isn't. Howard/Nancy/Donna/Harry/DNC/Soros/Media/illegal money backed the wrong horse. Consequences.

PUMA! We the People must do our own work to save our democracy. PUMA!

wasGOPnowInd
07-11-2008, 03:24 PM
Folks, whether or not Beckel is neutral, or whether or not he did not do enough to denigrate the almighty Nobama is not the point. The fact that these two articles and others are being written at all shows that the efforts of PUMAs, the efforts of McCain's camp and the RNC, and quite honestly, the stupidity of Obama himself, have begun to turn the tide of public opinion. Now, to use another sea metaphor - like a large ship, it does take time to completely come around, but hopefully, this DNC Titanic does so before it hits the proverbial iceberg in August, and allows this ridiculous notion of his candidacy to continue.

foxyladi
07-11-2008, 03:33 PM
Character or lack thereof always shines through. BO has to work hard now and isn't getting a free ride, despite the free passes he's gotten for years. He's incompetent, corrupt and tired of lying, so he's throwing tantrums or whining to distract us from his liabilities. Thanks again to Hillary for playing all the way through the primary game so we the spectator/voters could see who she and BHO really are.

Democracy is work, hard work. Hillary is willing to work. BHO isn't. Howard/Nancy/Donna/Harry/DNC/Soros/Media/illegal money backed the wrong horse. Consequences.

PUMA! We the People must do our own work to save our democracy. PUMA!

the shine is definatlly coming off the
golden boy