Is Anyone Going To Watch That Speech? (3/18/08)

[Patsy]

I am on my own personal MSM strike when it comes to O. So, if anyone does watch I will appreciate any details and opinions!!

Thank you,

Kitty

[Bless]

I am on my own personal MSM strike when it comes to O. So, if anyone does watch I will appreciate any details and opinions!!

Thank you,

Kitty

Yeah I'm going to watch it I want to hear about his family in Kenya and what he did to help them

[Patsy]

Yeah I'm going to watch it I want to hear about his family in Kenya and what he did to help them

You brave soul. Will you report back please? Thanks

[ALL4HILLARY]

He Is Saying The Pastor Did A Lot Of Good Things And This Is A "feeding Frenzy" That The Media Is Playing The Videos Over And Over

[Charlie Brown]

Yes I Will Watch...but, Im A Bit Nervous About It. Im Sure I'll Think Hes Full Of Crap, But The Bo People Arent Reasonable

[freethinker]

Going to watch now on CNN!

Let the bamboozling and spin begin!

:mad:

[mjoynaples]

Oh yeah, will be flipping to see the takes BIASED media takes on this and how teflon Obama will make it through... just now hearing Al Sharpton say that now we all have to be held accountable for what things our pastors say that are offensive...WHAT? does he not know a lie when he hears it? Barack says he didn't know or hear these things his pastor is actually well known for... get ready it is going to be magical...

VOTE HILLARY please make calls to PA and write DNC and remind them they are backing the wrong candiate -HILLARY the only one who can win this election against McCain

[Jayling]

Kitty, I recommend turning it on now and only listen to the speech yourself -- turn it off immediately once he's done. Just by watching the speech you're still boycotting the msm while still in the know personally.

This may be a very important one - something so important it's better to weigh this ourselves than from snippets or thoughts from others.

Just my opinion :)

[Charlie Brown]

WAITING FOR THE SPEECH ANYONE NOTICE ALL THOSE FLAGS:rolleyes:

[memphis]

So please someone keep those of us that can't watch posted.

I probably could not bear to listen to him even if I could tune in from work.

[Patsy]

Kitty, I recommend turning it on now and only listen to the speech yourself -- turn it off immediately once he's done. Just by watching the speech you're still boycotting the msm while still in the know personally.

This may be a very important one - something so important it's better to weigh this ourselves than from snippets or thoughts from others.

Just my opinion :)

You're always the voice of reason....

What would I do without you?

I shall heed your advice.

Thanks

[Jayling]

All those flags on the stage are total overkill! My gawd - 8 of 'em! It's doubtful there's that many around even for a military conference.

geez!

[ALL4HILLARY]

Msnbc Just Had "an Expert" And She Was Talking About Clintons Spiritual Advisor Long Time Ago And Why They Did Not Denounced Him. What Else Are We Going To Here

[Jayling]

Tune in to FoxNews instead :)

[CGP]

Expect a whole lot of BS.

[Bless]

He forget the Kenya flag... like he forget the time too

[Charlie Brown]

Tune in to FoxNews instead :)

Yes Fox...I will not listen to CNN they are downers.:(

[hills]

Here are some articles about Obama's race baiting and his Chicago way of Politics. Since we are expecting the worst. I encourage everyone to start sending them out to different media outlets. Hopefully there will be someone interested in knowing the truth. Start with the right wing media. They seem to be the only people who want to expose Obama for the fraud he is.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.ht...1-69c6c268b304

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...,1,57567.story

http://www.houstonpress.com/2008-02-...reamed-at-me/2

http://www.time.com/time/politics/ar...714886,00.html

http://poligazette.com/2008/03/06/ob...e-chicago-way/



- My enemy’s enemy is my friend.
- Keep your friends close but your enemies closer.

[CGP]

Here are some articles about Obama's race baiting and his Chicago way of Politics. Since we are expecting the worst. I encourage everyone to start sending them out to different media outlets. Hopefully there will be someone interested in knowing the truth. Start with the right wing media. They seem to be the only people who want to expose Obama for the fraud he is.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.ht...1-69c6c268b304

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...,1,57567.story

http://www.houstonpress.com/2008-02-...reamed-at-me/2

http://www.time.com/time/politics/ar...714886,00.html

http://poligazette.com/2008/03/06/ob...e-chicago-way/



- My enemy’s enemy is my friend.
- Keep your friends close but your enemies closer.


Hills - none of these links work...You will have to activate each link and then copy/paste because just copying this list as is has led to the errors.

[Charlie Brown]

he is 17 minutes late...What the H

[Imwithhillary]

Won't watch him, so can someone please tell me what the venue is? Thanks!

[ALL4HILLARY]

That is how he is getting free massive press like this. Do you see the six American Flags at the potioum. I bet you Michelle and Obama will be wearing flag oins. They will play the patriots now since that what the voters want. WILL DO ANYTHING TO GET ELECTED.

[Jayling]

There's 8 flags, not 6!

[Lodi]

Yes I Will Watch...but, Im A Bit Nervous About It. Im Sure I'll Think Hes Full Of Crap, But The Bo People Arent Reasonable

I'm about to watch on MSNBC and feel exactly as you do! We can see things as they are, but what about the others?

The reason I'm listening on MSNBC is because Pat Buchanan is one of the commentators, and these days, I find that Pat represents my views re Barack. Never in a million years did I think it would come to this! :eek:

Here's hoping that God/Creator/Supreme Being/the Source, etc., will open people's eyes and hearts to the truth. If they'd contrast a man like Gov. Paterson of NY w/Obama, they'd see the difference: decent and sincere vs not either of those things. God help us all!

[Bless]

Obama chickens coming home to roost

[Ohio mom]

he is 17 minutes late...What the H

Geez, I was just thinking that same thing...why can't they ever start when they say they will...it's aggravating!!!!

[Area504]

If BO says all of the things we think he will say (denounce Wright, etc) what effect will this have on his support from the people who attend Wright's church? Will they be pissed off at him, or will they understand that he is just saying what needs to be said?

[Lodi]

Hills - none of these links work...You will have to activate each link and then copy/paste because just copying this list as is has led to the errors.

No rest for the weary, Murray! Even on your vaykay, you're working hard.
You're amazing! :D
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"Obama's chickens.....are comin' home....to roost!!" Amen, Area504!

[Area504]

There's 8 flags, not 6!

Yep; it looks like the stage at the GOP Convention! :D

[ALL4HILLARY]

Hills - none of these links work...You will have to activate each link and then copy/paste because just copying this list as is has led to the errors.

iT LOOKS THAT THE ARTICLES ARE NOT THERE. DIT YOU SAVE THEM

[mjoynaples]

he is late and he is using a prompter (someone said he never uses that and they want to get the sound right) - and supposedly it is going to be about the American History of AA and thier plight etc... however, it seems what the pastor says is just simply WRONG... not about unifying... or patriotic ... is Obama going to answer his Rezko problems? it seems like he just has problems ... surrender Barack it would help the party survive and we could still beat McCain with Hillary and your recommending your supporters to work to help Hillary get elected (and you from a distance!)

GO HILLARY!!! THE DNC needs to see the light here...

someone on FOX just said this could seriously interfer with his getting the nomination... and they go on and say this is NOT ABOUT race this is about judgement -would we accept a white candidate in this church this many years doing this??? NO!

Michelle is flying in for this meeting..he is on....

GO HILLARY!!!

[hills]

Here they are. Thankfully I had bookmarked the pages.


http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1714886,00.html

http://poligazette.com/2008/03/06/obama-rezko-and-media-ignorance-of-the-chicago-way/

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-rezko-court-story,0,7957753.story

[Area504]

Does anyone else find it ironic that someone (Obama) who has claimed Jeremiah Wright as his "spiritual advisor", was married in his church and had his children baptized there, is now going to lecture the rest of us on the subject of race in America? http://bestsmileys.com/angry1/6.gif

[YesSheCan]

We should all boycott this fake power-hungry dude, who wants to rename republicans, Obamakins, and probably wants to rename the US as Obamanation.

[ALL4HILLARY]

Does anyone else find it ironic that someone (Obama) who has claimed Jeremiah Wright as his "spiritual advisor", was married in his church and had his children baptized there, is now going to lecture the rest of us on the subject of race in America? http://bestsmileys.com/angry1/6.gif

HE JUST SAID HE HEARD IN THE CHURCH THESE COMMENTS

[Ohio mom]

Does anyone else find it ironic that someone (Obama) who has claimed Jeremiah Wright as his "spiritual advisor", was married in his church and had his children baptized there, is now going to lecture the rest of us on the subject of race in America? http://bestsmileys.com/angry1/6.gif

ALL I AM HEARING IS BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!! HE SEEMS VERY DEFENSIVE!!! :mad:

[ALL4HILLARY]

He Just Praising The Pastor

[memphis]

I don't think Bill OReilly will give up on this Wright issue.
Bill sees himself as a patriot above all else.

Did you guys see Olbermann really dissing Bill OReilly last night.
Brought up the sexual harrassment suit against him.
Really, really, dirty work by Olbermann.

I guess now it is a fight between FOX and CNN and MSNBC.

[Area504]

What strikes me is that he is chastising us (those who were outraged by Wright's comments) for feeling the way we do.

[samkm]

I saw 1 minute.. He is using teleprompter and looking at written words from the bible.. pathetic.

[Area504]

He looks very angry. This is going to come back to bite him; if not in the primary, certainly in the general election.

[superradmom]

I am white and from the south. I have attended several services with friends who were black. My family visited several times a black church in Baltimore. My husband had a co-worker who was the pastor. yes, the worship experience is 'joyful', and praising. Some of the best music I have ever heard. NEVER, did I hear hateful, bigotry remarks. We were always comfortable and felt welcomed in God's house. I don't think that would be the case in BO's church.

[SugnSpicesmom]

And of course - it's all the white man's fault. Obama is pleading for the white man to understand why many blacks feel the way they do, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. GET OVER IT!!! Stop being angry about it and DO something to help the world!!

[LisaMDCA]

He just seems so fake! There is nothing genuine about him.

[sapacey]

He's going for the guilt vote.

[hills]

Hills - none of these links work...You will have to activate each link and then copy/paste because just copying this list as is has led to the errors.

I updated them.

[sapacey]

What the hell does that have to do with the price of eggs in China?

[ALL4HILLARY]

And of course - it's all the white man's fault. Obama is pleading for the white man to understand why many blacks feel the way they do, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. GET OVER IT!!! Stop being angry about it and DO something to help the world!!

He makes us look like adevil and also feel like a minority. He blames us (whites) and hillary campaign inderectly and ferraro for playing the race card.
This is an attack to us. He is the uniter we are working against that

[memphis]

Do white people really feel guilty. I don't I did not do anything wrong and neither did my share cropper anchestors.

[sapacey]

I'm talking about what Obama is saying right now.

[Soaring Eagle]

Any improvement that has been made in our recent history with race has been demenished by this guy! He thinks he a a unifier but seems quite the opposite!

[Area504]

Do white people really feel guilty. I don't I did not do anything wrong and neither did my share cropper anchestors.

Yes, I know many that do indeed feel very guilty.

[samkm]

Meomories of defeat... have not gone away...

BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE REV.WRIGHT KEEP REINFORCING IT EVERY SUNDAY AND DONT LET IT HEAL THE CRACK IN THE SOCIETY!! AND PEOPLE LIKE BARACK COME AND USE THE CRACK TO DRIVE A DEEP WEDGE ON ON SIDE AND PLACE GUILT ON THE OTHER.

ENOUGH!!

He needs 8 flags, teleprompters, notes... and uninterrupted SPEECH time to deliver this HATE SPEECH in 2008.

Face it, the chinese and the Indians came to the country to slog on the railway tracks and serve in homes. They didnt call themselves SLAVES!! They called this the country of opportunity!

[Bacio83]

Yeah I've been listening since the beginning. Starting with our US history and the witting of the Declaration of Independence and how they could have ended slavery then to his White Grandmother making racial statements but how she's still his Grandmother and couldn't denounce her as much as he could denounce Wright. *rolls eyes* He's missing the point, Wright isn't his Grandmother who raised him. Ahh gah, I'll keep listening. He's spinning this in guilt that's for sure.

Change and Hope count are up to 50 or so already :)

[Area504]

My honest opinion: this speech will save him. It's a good speech, and he's saying things that need to be said about race.

However....

I have very strong doubts that he really believes what he is saying. Why did he only wait to say these things now? (The obvious answer: because it's politically expedient, damage control).

And, of course, the MSM will cherry-pick the very best soundbytes to play on the evening news tonight.

Controversy over.

[Area504]

And now, it's time to change the subject. Let's move on and talk about issues, like hope and change!

[Bless]

He just making excuses for black people, telling the Whiteman look you treat these people bad in the past and they are just reacting to it now

[Lodi]

ALL I AM HEARING IS BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!! HE SEEMS VERY DEFENSIVE!!! :mad:

Same take here, and I'd add that he's playing to white guilt over slavery, but failing to address the complicity of Africans who played a part in the sale of other Africans to the Europeans.

[Imwithhillary]

....And we all realize it will work because no one in the media has the guts to point out what a self-promoting campaign speech it really is. I think the media have bought into his message of guilt more than many other people. If just one major TV figure would puncture this guy's myth of holy goodness, the country would have a chance to see him for the opportunistic pol he really is.

[hills]

My honest opinion: this speech will save him. It's a good speech, and he's saying things that need to be said about race.

However....

I have very strong doubts that he really believes what he is saying. Why did he only wait to say these things now? (The obvious answer: because it's politically expedient, damage control).

And, of course, the MSM will cherry-pick the very best soundbytes to play on the evening news tonight.

Controversy over.

I also think it is going to save him. He is making people feel guilty. This guy plays the race card and then dares to call other people racist. What angers me the most is him calling Hillary, Bill and Ferraro racists. He has damaged their names and reputations for good. People will vote for him because of guilt.

[memphis]

Slavary in Africa continues to this day and has nothing to do with white people. Why doesn't he talk about that.

[Ohio mom]

Same take here, and I'd add that he's playing to white guilt over slavery, but failing to address the complicity of Africans who played a part in the sale of other Africans to the Europeans.

I HAD TO GO PICK MY SON UP AT SCHOOL, WHAT DID I MISS???:confused:

[Soaring Eagle]

Oh man. I am a changed man after that speech! I have to get out and vote for Obama right now. I cannot wait!


Ya right! This guy obviously will say or do anything to get that POWER that he so obviously craves! Common sense should prevail that this guy is indeed a divider! I just hope that America still has some common sense left! :( Did i have you guys going there at first? LOL

[Area504]

I HAD TO GO PICK MY SON UP AT SCHOOL, WHAT DID I MISS???:confused:

Text of speech can be found here (http://www.drudgereport.com/flashos.htm).

[Imwithhillary]

Hillary needs to go on TV and talk at length at the struggle of women over the centuries. Oh! One problem---no one would broadcast it.

[Ohio mom]

Did Anyone Else Catch That He Said The Things His Own Grandmother Said Made Him Cringe, But The Things About His Pastor Who Is Like Family Was About What A Great Person He Is...maybe This Is Where His Own Racism Stems From???? Am I Reaching Too Far???

[Area504]

I, for one, resent being lectured by this man who has listened to Rev. Wright make these incendiary and very offensive remarks about white people and about our country.

All adults know about the racial history of the United States, and about the inequities that still exist. But Rev. Wright's type of comments do not help that cause; instead, they set race relations back a good 40-50 years IMO.

[Ohio mom]

Text of speech can be found here (http://www.drudgereport.com/flashos.htm).

THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!:)

[Patsy]

I, for one, resent being lectured by this man who has listened to Rev. Wright make these incendiary and very offensive remarks about white people and about our country.

All adults know about the racial history of the United States, and about the inequities that still exist. But Rev. Wright's type of comments do not help that cause; instead, they set race relations back a good 40-50 years IMO.

I agree with you. he has just defied anyone to vote against him.

The Republicans are going to have a 527 field day with the anti-American aspect of it.

[Patsy]

Did Anyone Else Catch That He Said The Things His Own Grandmother Said Made Him Cringe, But The Things About His Pastor Who Is Like Family Was About What A Great Person He Is...maybe This Is Where His Own Racism Stems From???? Am I Reaching Too Far???

I thought that very same thing and he just solidified the African American vote and it explains why his grandmother has not been seen or heard from.

[LisaW]

I don't feel guilty.

In the speech didn't he admit that he did know about the hate filled sermons his preacher was preaching? That means he is a bald face liar. The other day on TV he lead us to believe that he was not aware of the negative sermons being preached, and he even said that if he had heard any of those words he would have left the church. Now he says he won't break with Rev. Wright.

He is just a big liar who will now say anything to save his candidacy.

[SoCal4Hillary]

I couldn't do it. I tried...but I couldn't do it. (This seems to be a recurring theme with me lately when it comes to Obama's speeches.) However, according to the headline on the LA Times story right now, "Obama slams REMARKS, not PASTOR" (emphasis added). From the VERY brief glance I just took at the article, it seems he's trying to turn this into a look at racism in America--am I right? (I couldn't stomach reading the article, either.)

Let's not let him get away with twisting this around so that he comes out sounding like the reincarnation of MLK, okay? The FACT is that he has had a CLOSE, 20-year relationship with this hatemonger, and no amount of twisting words around will change the fact that he would have to be deaf AND blind not to have noticed the seething racism coming from his "uncle's" mouth.

[Ohio mom]

Oh man. I am a changed man after that speech! I have to get out and vote for Obama right now. I cannot wait!


Ya right! This guy obviously will say or do anything to get that POWER that he so obviously craves! Common sense should prevail that this guy is indeed a divider! I just hope that America still has some common sense left! :( Did i have you guys going there at first? LOL

NOPE CUZ THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING TOO!!! HE MOVED ME ALL RIGHT..MOVED ME TO GO THROW UP!!!:p HE'S NAUSEATINGLY ARROGANT!!!

[hills]

Hillary needs to go on TV and talk at length at the struggle of women over the centuries. Oh! One problem---no one would broadcast it.

I totally agree with you. Hillary should do that. This is supposed to be women's month isn't it.

[Patsy]

I couldn't do it. I tried...but I couldn't do it. (This seems to be a recurring theme with me lately when it comes to Obama's speeches.) However, according to the headline on the LA Times story right now, "Obama slams REMARKS, not PASTOR" (emphasis added). From the VERY brief glance I just took at the article, it seems he's trying to turn this into a look at racism in America--am I right? (I couldn't stomach reading the article, either.)

Let's not let him get away with twisting this around so that he comes out sounding like the reincarnation of MLK, okay? The FACT is that he has had a CLOSE, 20-year relationship with this hatemonger, and no amount of twisting words around will change the fact that he would have to be deaf AND blind not to have noticed the seething racism coming from his "uncle's" mouth.

You are correct. He just defied anyone to vote for him essentially because if we don't then we will have achieved nothing since the declaration of independence.

[Ohio mom]

I don't feel guilty.

In the speech didn't he admit that he did know about the hate filled sermons his preacher was preaching? That means he is a bald face liar. The other day on TV he lead us to believe that he was not aware of the negative sermons being preached, and he even said that if he had heard any of those words he would have left the church. Now he says he won't break with Rev. Wright.

He is just a big liar who will now say anything to save his candidacy.

THANK YOU!!!! I REALLY HOPE THAT IS A SOUND BITE THAT IS USED, IT'S LIKE HE THINKS THAT SAYING "OOPS I DID IT AGAIN" WILL ERASE EVERYTHING. SORRY BRITNEY, THAT DOG WON'T HUNT!

[memphis]

Is there anything any of us can do to show this man for what he is.
He has gotten a pass on everything.
What in heck is going on?

He has all the attention now.

[hills]

Is there anything any of us can do to show this man for what he is.
He has gotten a pass on everything.
What in heck is going on?

He has all the attention now.

Seriously, I am feeling down. This guy thinks he can get away with anything just by playing the race card and acting like the victim. We need to pray for Hillary because that is all she has got. DNC Hitmen, the media calling her racist. I don't know who can help Hillary. She is not a racist and I wish there was a documentary that talked about all the things she and Bill have done for Afican Americans. It suddens me when innocent people are labelled as racist. Obama will do anything to win. We can still use Rezko and the British Iraq guy.

[joeysky18]

IMHO, there is nothing new in his speech. He unite people alright.
But he just united the black vote against the white vote.

And he said, we are the good one here white folks. If you want to be good, join the club. Otherwise, you are one of the racist people who abused the slave and create this racial intension.

[Dendy]

CNN is in love again.
This is never going to end.
Who is really this guy?? One day he’s the reincarnation of Kennedy today he’s back to being MLK. Why is it that we have such a high tolerance for this speeches and we’re unlabeled to really go after the truth. The speech was design to make us feel guilty and ashamed of our self.
I’m tired of people expecting me to feel guilty for something I have nothing to do with and neither any of my ancestors. We all have different experiences and if I’m not mistaken it was the white people that were putting this behind them and giving Obama the trust and love (remember Iowa?)
One has to wonder what would the reaction have been if this was Hillary’s pastor, angrily and s passionately expressing those racial and hatful views. Would there have been anything she could say to make things better?
Why is it that it’s okay for one race to express racist views every Sunday in a church and celebrate it?
I think Obama should have gone to his church and his pastor and give this very same speech to them. The conversation he’s pushing now a pone us is conversation that he needs first and for most to have with his pastor first.
It’s degusting that race is always used to either make us feel guilty or make us look as the enemy.
And I’m not really sure haw I feel about the comparison with his grandmother…it’s just bad to include someone that’s not around to defend themselves and it seems highly unlikely that the woman was expressing racial hatred in front of her biracial grandson.

[Area504]

Seriously, I am feeling down.

I feel down, too...and I think we are justified in feeling down.

BO's speech will play very well to undecided Democratic voters. The MSM has become part of his campaign and are going to spin all of this in his favor; they won't ask the same questions we are asking about his involvement in this church before last week and/or about his motives in making this speech today.

[Sincere]

I watched while computing. I heard a lot of platitudes and soft soaping, excusing and trying have it two ways at once.
He is trying vainly to hold on the the blacks while not losing the whites.
He is trying vainly to grab on to the working class while keeping the elite young know it all college class who along with the blacks his base support groups.
It was quite a work of art but I didn't buy it.

[Area504]

CNN is in love again.
This is never going to end.



CNN and MSNBC have always been in love with him; even through the controversy last week.

[foreigner4hillary]

Slavary in Africa continues to this day and has nothing to do with white people. Why doesn't he talk about that.


You also need to mention that BLACK people sold BLACK people to the white people. Africans were equally complicit in the slave trade.

What about Arabs that have been buying black slaves waaaaay before that. But who cares about the truth right. Blame it on whitey!!

I never understood why caucasians feel guilty.

[Bless]

Beside drop out now!
this is what I will say to Obama

Emancipate yourself from mental slavery
None but ourselves can free our minds

[Sincere]

CNN and MSNBC have always been in love with him; even through the controversy last week.

I will be watching FOX until this situation is resolved.....until HILLARY gets the nomination!!!

[samkm]

He wants them to feel guilty..

AND FORGET WHAT HE DID..... which is sit by hateful speech for 20 years... and DO NOTHING ABOUT IT UNTIL IT SERVES HIS POLITICAL INTEREST!

[Bless]

Obama “ did I hear controversial sermon from Wright while in church? YES!!

And what did he do? Made him part of his campaign

[memphis]

I have never talked to even one whitey that does feel guilty. I think this is all political.

[Ohio mom]

Obama “ did I hear controversial sermon from Wright while in church? YES!!

And what did he do? Made him part of his campaign

HE BASICALLY THUMBED HIS NOSE AT AMERICA, HE'S GOING TO DO WHAT EVER HE WANTS TO DO REGARDLESS OF HOW THE AMERICANS FEEL.

[Charlie Brown]

Sh*t Im a Yanky so bug off..

[Area504]

Obama “ did I hear controversial sermon from Wright while in church? YES!!

And what did he do? Made him part of his campaign

Yes, and he was speaking from both sides of his mouth in his speech this morning.

On one hand, he denounced Rev. Wright's "incendiary language". But on the other hand, if you read between the lines of the speech, he rationalized and made excuses for those comments.

[hobbitt]

I found The Speech to be snarky, defiant, unapologetic and slyly political.

And about three-quarters of the way through, I saw The Smirk appear.

He started off with the words of division: slavery, march, promise versus reality.

He planted a few phrases from his usual stump speech" poor black boy, common hopes, come together, solve them together.

The he started with the defiant part - describing his coalition of white, black, latino, asian, native american, young, old.

And slyly inserted racial tensions which started in South Carolina (i.e. Those Clintons).


Then the "apology" - which consisted of the same, narrowly-defined excuses: if he said those things, and I never heard him say them, they were controversial and I strongly disagree.

Then he defended Reverend Wright as a living saint.

Some blather about whites who cannot understand the totality of the black experience, a brief nod to his white grandmother (but then whipped around and allowed as how she made racists statements),

A call to move on and then Oops. Sneaky insertion of the dreaded "Geraldine Ferarro." words. Some code phrases, 'move on,' stereotypes, come together.

The first lukewarm applause at 11:09.

Then a long list of How Whitey kept us down, (unequal, inequities, gap, lack of opportunities, erosion of families, hell, even building code enforcement ( a rather astonishing statement in view of the Rezko tenements!).

Then some laying on of White Guilt. White resentment, whites being exploited by politicians (again, astonishing in its brashness). And the tying-in of his campaign against Clinton ( corporate, lobbyists, special interests).

Then more self-congratulatory hyping of the coalition he has built.

Then another swipe at "Hillary supporters" more "special interests"
" a war which should never have been authorized"

And ending up with the stump speech 'come together' 'this time' and yet a third self-congratulatory 'coalition' and a very blatant call to the "Young people who have made history this election."

No once-and-for-all truth about either he did not know, or never knew, or maybe heard once, or knew all along, nada.

Just an in-your-face I dare you not to vote for me!

And The Smirk.

In all, a display of arrogance. Certainly not a reconciliation of any sort.

I can't wait to hear the spin on this.

[Charlie Brown]

The Price in Blood!
Casualties in the Civil War

At least 618,000 Americans died in the Civil War, and some experts say the toll reached 700,000. The number that is most often quoted is 620,000. At any rate, these casualties exceed the nation's loss in all its other wars, from the Revolution through Vietnam.
The Union armies had from 2,500,000 to 2,750,000 men. Their losses, by the best estimates:

Battle deaths: 110,070
Disease, etc.: 250,152
Total 360,222

The Confederate strength, known less accurately because of missing records, was from 750,000 to 1,250,000. Its estimated losses:

Battle deaths: 94,000
Disease, etc.: 164,000
Total 258,000

The leading authority on casualties of the war, Thomas L. Livermore, admitting the handicap of poor records in some cases, studied 48 of the war's battles and concluded:
Of every 1,000 Federals in battle, 112 were wounded.
Of every 1,000 Confederates, 150 were hit.
Mortality was greater among Confederate wounded, because of inferior medical service. The great battles, in terms of their toll in dead, wounded, and missing is listed on this site:

The Ten Costliest Battles of the Civil War.

Some of the great blood baths of the war came as Grant drove on Richmond in the spring of 1864- Confederate casualties are missing for this campaign, but were enormous. The Federal toll:

The Wilderness, May 5-7: 17,666
Spotsylvania, May 10 and 12: 10,920
Drewry's Bluff, May 12-16 4,160
Cold Harbor, June 1-3: 12,000
Petersburg, June 15-30 16,569

These total 61,315, with rolls of the missing incomplete.
The Appomattox campaign, about ten days of running battles ending April 9, 1865, cost the Union about 11,000 casualties, and ended in the surrender of Lee's remnant of 26,765. Confederate dead and wounded in the meantime were about 6,500.
Lesser battles are famous for their casualties. At Franklin, Tennessee, November 30, 1864, General Hood's Confederates lost over 6,000 of 21,000 effectives -most of them in about two hours. Six Confederate generals died there.
Hood lost about 8,ooo men in his assault before Atlanta, July 22, 1864; Sherman's Union forces lost about 3,800.
The small battle of Wilson's Creek, Missouri, August 10, 1861, was typical of the savagery of much of the war's fighting. The Union force Of 5,400 men lost over 1,200; the Confederates, over 11,000 strong, lost about the same number.
The first battle of Manassas/Bull Run, though famous as the first large engagement, was relatively light in cost: 2,708 for the Union, 1,981 for the Confederates.
The casualty rolls struck home to families and regiments.
The Confederate General, John B. Gordon, cited the case of the Christian family, of Christiansburg, Virginia, which suffered eighteen dead in the war.
The 1st Maine Heavy Artillery, in a charge at Petersburg, Virginia, 18 June, 1864, sustained a "record" loss of the war-635 of its 9oo men within seven minutes.
Another challenger is the 26th North Carolina, which lost 714, of its 800 men at Gettysburg-in numbers and percentage the war's greatest losses. On the first day this regiment lost 584 dead and wounded, and when roll was called the next morning for G Company, one man answered, and he had been knocked unconscious by a shell burst the day before. This roll was called by a sergeant who lay on a stretcher with a severe leg wound.
The 24th Michigan, a gallant Federal regiment which was in front of the North Carolinians on the first day, lost 362 of its 496 men.
More than 3,000 horses were killed at Gettysburg, and one artillery battalion, the 9th Massachusetts, lost 80 of its 88 animals in the Trostle farmyard.
A brigade from Vermont lost 1,645 Of its 2,100 men during a week of fighting in the Wilderness.
The Irish Brigade, Union, had a total muster Of 7,000 during the war, and returned to New York in '65 with 1,000. One company was down to seven men. The 69th New York of this brigade lost 16 of 19 officers, and had 75 per cent casualties among enlisted men.
In the Irish Brigade, Confederate, from Louisiana, Company A dwindled from 90 men to 3 men and an officer in March, '65. Company B went from 100 men to 2.
Experts have pointed out that the famed Light Brigade at Balaklava lost only 36.7 per cent of its men, and that at least 63 Union regiments lost as much as 50 per cent in single battles. At Gettysburg 23 Federal regiments suffered losses of more than half their strength, including the well-known Iron Brigade (886 of 1,538 engaged).
Many terrible casualty tolls were incurred in single engagements, like that of the Polish Regiment of Louisiana at Frayser's Farm during the Seven Days, where the outfit was cut to pieces and had to be consolidated with the 20th Louisiana. In this action one company of the Poles lost 33 of 42 men.
One authority reports that Of 3,530 Indians who fought for the Union, 1,018 were killed, a phenomenally high rate. Of 178,975 Negro Union troops, this expert says, over 36,000 died.
Some regimental losses in battle:

Regiment Battle Strength Per Cent
1st Texas, CSA Antietam 226 82.3
1st Minnesota, US Gettysburg 262 82
21st Georgia, CSA Manassas 242 76
141st Pennsylvania, US Gettysburg 198 75.7
101st New York, US Manassas 168 73.8
6th Mississippi, CSA Shiloh 425 70.5
25th Massachusetts, US Cold Harbor 310 70
36th Wisconsin, US Bethesda Church 240 69
20th Massachusetts, US Fredericksburg 238 68.4
8th Tennessee, CSA Stone's River 444 68.7
10th Tennessee, CSA Chickamauga 328 68
8th Vermont, US Cedar Creek 156 67.9
Palmetto Sharpshooters, CSA Frayser's Farm 215 67.7
81st Pennsylvania, US Fredericksburg 261 67.4

Scores of other regiments on both sides registered losses in single engagements of above 50 per cent.
Confederate losses by states, in dead and wounded only, and with many records missing (especially those of Alabama):


North Carolina 20,602
Virginia 6,947
Mississippi 6,807
South Carolina 4,760
Arkansas 3,782
Georgia 3,702
Tennessee 3,425
Louisiana 3,059
Texas 1,260
Florida 1,047
Alabama 724

(Statisticians recognize these as fragmentary, from a report of 1866; they serve as a rough guide to relative losses by states).

In addition to its dead and wounded from battle and disease, the Union listed:

Deaths in Prison 24,866
Drowning 4,944
Accidental deaths 4,144
Murdered 520
Suicides 391
Sunstroke 313
Military executions 267
Killed after capture 104
Executed by enemy 64
Unclassified 14,155

Source: "The Civil War, Strange and Fascinating Facts," by Burke Davis

This Page last updated 11/01/04

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[Joe from WI]

I feel down, too...and I think we are justified in feeling down.
BO's speech will play very well to undecided Democratic voters. The MSM has become part of his campaign and are going to spin all of this in his favor; they won't ask the same questions we are asking about his involvement in this church before last week and/or about his motives in making this speech today.


I disagree. There are many voters who will not buy into his speech. People for the last few days were perplexed, and waiting for him to explain why he associate with Wright despite his knowledge (or lack of knowledge) of Wright's hate messages.

His speech did not address that (ie. WHY). He talks specifically about :
- Slavery
- His Grandmother
- Clintons
- Ferraro.

So at the end of the day, he is telling everyone that Wright is still his uncle. And that its ok for AA to be racist and have hatred against whites. But the reverse is not tolerated.

He will get support from AA though, and perhaps garner some indies votes. Core democrats will not run after him.

[Amanda2489]

Obama, the supposed great uniter is effectively dividing this country along racial lines. True the US has a long way to go still as far as racial equality but instead of moving us forward towards that he has just moved us BACKWARDS. When it is convenient for him he remembers he is half white, but the rest of the time he takes on that he's a black man with a black mans plight. I live in the dirty south, I see racism all the time, I'm white my boyfriend is black, but we don't let that crap divide us. Obama is ashamed of his whiteness when in a black crowd, and ashamed of his blackness when in a white crowd, and his speech has echoed that loudly in my opinion. How can people believe in him to run this country when he can not even be at peace within himself.

He won't win now of course, not in the GE anyway, likely not the nomination either, but he is certainly creating massive division among the people in this country.

And you know who he is ignoring altogether, EVERYONE else that isn't white or black, which is a shame because all the other races in this country are getting the short end of the stick since Obama has made this entire race about race.

[Bless]

AND NOW!!


Retribution for Slavery - President Obama Will See To It!

Submitted by SadInAmerica on 2008, March 16 - 6:04pm.

Is America ready to pay reparations for slavery? What is that you say, “Doesn’t Senator Barack Obama oppose reparations for slavery?” Well, no. He doesn’t.

In fact the reparations crowd in Washington and Chicago is salivating at the prospect Obama might stumble into the White House and put them on track for a reparations gravy train for slavery which took place centuries ago.

To tackle the topic, first, a simple question: is Obama opposed to reparations? Indeed, the question is not so simple. Nothing is ever simple and straightforward where Barry Obama and words come together. Obama’s pirouettes on the question of reparations would enchant any balletomane; his position always depends on who is asking and who is listening. And who is watching.

Prior to his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004 Obama opposed reparations for slavery. After his election, Obama subtly changed his view, stating he was against “just signing over checks to African-Americans,” leaving open the possibility of other forms of reparations would be acceptable to him (Chicago Tribune 11/14/2004).

Second, whom does Barry O “hang” with? Well, Obama hangs with the reparations crowd. Now guilt by association is certainly unfair. But if you hang with the reparations crowd, they must see something in you they like. Indeed they do. U. S. Representative John Conyers, Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, is reportedly waiting for Obama to be elected so Conyers can rush a reparations law through Congress. (The Hill, 3/13/ 2007) Hmmm. Does Conyers know something we don’t?

Finally, the most telling indication that Obama has a secret addiction to reparations is reflected in those who support him and those whom he supports: the most notorious race-baiter on the Chicago City Council, Alderwoman Dorothy Tillman.

Haven’t heard of Dorothy Tillman? You better learn about Obama’s #1 supporter. And fast. You really should know who she is. Tillman has almost single-handedly made a joke of the City of Chicago in the public finance industry over her preoccupation with slavery and reparations.

Tillman supports Obama and Obama supports Tillman.

Last week Obama endorsed Tillman for re-election. Tillman was forced into a runoff after her opponents failed to agree on a single candidate to oppose her. Tillman was an early supporter of Obama’s in his rise to prominence over the past decade.

And Tillman is a disgrace. Her favorite pastime is abusing banks and financial institutions that want to do business with the City of Chicago. A regular feature of council proceedings is Tillman flaying banks for “owning slaves” at some remote point in history over 150 years ago.

Using a 2002 “Slavery Era Disclosure Ordinance” that she authored, Tillman has accused Bank of America of having a predecessor bank that made “leg irons for slaves.” Wachovia, J.P. Morgan Chase, LaSalle Bank, Lehman Brothers, American General and Nationwide Life Insurance were all brought before Tillman’s mast and whipped for their ties to slavery, however remote, over 150 years ago.

Indeed, Tillman has been quoted as saying her goal is to “repair the damage of 400 years” of slavery. “America owes us,” Tillman demands (Sun-Times 3/26/2007).

And yes, Obama has endorsed this carnival-style extortionist for reelection. So much for the audacity of Obama, so much for the “smallness” of politics in Chicago.

Tillman abuses and opposes anyone who thinks that slavery is not a major issue any more. When the City wanted to refinance $800 million in debt, Tillman was there claiming slavery should be an issue. Last fall, the City tried to lease parking garages for over a half billion dollars: the deal hit a “slavery speed bump.” Tillman filed suit because her slavery ordinance was brushed aside (Sun-Times 12/1/2006). “The whole world is watching us just disregard this law for black people’We’re totally disrespected as a people…,” (Sun-Times 10/31/06). On and on it goes. Sounds like the race card to me.

Tillman accused Morgan Stanley of “getting rich from investments and profits in slavery,” (Chicago Tribune, 10/30/ 2006). Morgan Stanley was formed in 1935.

[Full disclosure: My maternal ancestors arrived in the United States in the Twentieth Century. Unlike Obama’s forebears, my grandparents had nothing to do with slavery. Why should I pay for the earlier sins of others? Why should anyone pay for events that took place in history?]

When Obama’s critics attack him for the sermons of his pastor they are going too far, in my opinion. I am not responsible for what my minister says. Preachers get a lot of leeway in the pulpit.

But when a public official files a frivolous lawsuit against a half-billion dollar public finance deal, claiming that Blacks are being disrespected because of slavery, and Obama goes on to endorse that kind of nonsense, Obama should be charged with endorsing the antics of the reparations gang.

When confronted with the claims of some of his more controversial supporters President Reagan used to say, “They endorsed me; I didn’t endorse them.”

In the case of Barry Obama and Dorothy Tillman, he has endorsed her and her unseemly reparations crusade for slavery.

Only Obama doesn’t want his national audience to know it. I seriously doubt that many of the tens of thousands of people who have succumbed to Obama’s pleas for “hope” realize he “hopes” to force them to pay tax dollars to provide some form of compensation to people who weren’t alive from people who weren’t alive, all for the evils of slavery. They have no idea who Dorothy Tillman is, or what she stands for, or the damage she continues to do to taxpayers in Chicago. All in the name of slavery.

And yet ignorant suckers keep on giving, not knowing who Obama is and what he wants to accomplish if he should end up in the Oval office.

Psst. Ready to pay reparations for slavery? Obama’s your man.

He just doesn’t want you to know. Yet.

He’s too busy working to re-elect Dorothy Tillman in two weeks.
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[movingtous]

Hi guys,
did I miss everything? I'm on ski break and gotta go back and forth. I'm totally addicted to blogging, pretty sad, even on vacation! This election needs to be over, soon, so I can get back to my life!:D

[Ohio mom]

Obama, the supposed great uniter is effectively dividing this country along racial lines. True the US has a long way to go still as far as racial equality but instead of moving us forward towards that he has just moved us BACKWARDS. When it is convenient for him he remembers he is half white, but the rest of the time he takes on that he's a black man with a black mans plight. I live in the dirty south, I see racism all the time, I'm white my boyfriend is black, but we don't let that crap divide us. Obama is ashamed of his whiteness when in a black crowd, and ashamed of his blackness when in a white crowd, and his speech has echoed that loudly in my opinion. How can people believe in him to run this country when he can not even be at peace within himself.

He won't win now of course, not in the GE anyway, likely not the nomination either, but he is certainly creating massive division among the people in this country.

And you know who he is ignoring altogether, EVERYONE else that isn't white or black, which is a shame because all the other races in this country are getting the short end of the stick since Obama has made this entire race about race.

I agree, I now feel like I am being labeled a racist just because I am white...I work hard to teach my children to love everyone and to give respect. I feel like all of our hard-work has been washed down the drain, because now we are viewed in a negative way..My daughter is now experiencing reverse-racism at school, because she like myself is a huge Hillary fan,( by the way she will be 12 on April 1), It breaks my heart, because my husband and I have taught her to never judge anyone, and here she is being ostricized for her/my beliefs. A UNIFIER OBAMA IS NOT!!!! MY CHILDREN ARE NOW PAYING FOR HIS REMARKS AND HIS PASTOR'S VILE HATE. CAN ANYONE PLEASE TELL ME HOW I CAN GET MY KIDS THROUGH THIS WITH OUR BELIEFS INTACT???

[Tea toaD]

All because of the MSM, and many believing he is the uniter. Great speech? More like a lecture and a spank on the hands of Rev.Wright. It may be very well true that he spoke of Jesus and things that we go to church to hear about. But it's not alright to dehuamize and insult everyone he is against. If the superdelegates buy into this, the country will turn redder than a lobster and give the whitehouse to McCain.

[sapacey]

What I take from Obama's speach is that he and Wright should be excused because of what white people have done to black people. Does that explain the Bill riding them dirty part? I'd love for Obama to take responsiblity for one thing he's done.

[Sincere]

My reply about BOs speech seems to have been removed.
I apologize if I broke any rules.

[sapacey]

If it comes down to McCain and Obama I would be more then happy to vote for McCain. I wonder how Obama fans would like it if not only do they not get Obama, they don't get the Clintons either. The Clintons have been great to them but O well. Your blowing your chance.

I'll take an American Hero over an American divider anyday.

[Disfranchised]

Style over substance; not answering questions without a prepared speech. Of course BO talks a lot "purtier" than Bush.

[mrkalbo]

As I posted from other thread..there's a big BIAS when it comes to this topic of race. Do blacks can say anything racial but the whites can't? It's absurd...wake up america!

[ALL4HILLARY]

LET'S NOT ACCEPT THESE HYPOCRITS LOOK LIKE HEROS, AND MAKE ALL OF US LOOK LIKE A MINORITY. I,VE SENT THIS TO FOXNEWS, AND HANNITY. PLEASE SEND TO HANNITY, OREILY AND GRETA TO ASK THEM TO KEEP ASKING THE QUESTIONS ABOUT HIS INTEGRITY, TRUST.

lou.dobbs@turner.com
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brian.wilson@foxnews.com
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'HE LIED IN OUR FACE AND TOLD THE TRUTH IN THE SPEECH THAT HE WAS LISTENING TO ALL THESE FOR TWENTY YEARS. WHY HE DIDN'T DSAY THAT LAST WEEK OR LAST YEAR. NOW THE LAST FEW DAYS REALISED THAT HE WILL LOSE BLACK AND WHITE VOTES HE TELLS PART OF THE TRUTH. THE SAME PATTERN WITH REZKO. HE LIED FIRST, THEN HE GIVES US TRUTH BY INSTALLMENTS EVERY TIME HE IS PRESSED BY THE PRESS OR HILLARY AND AFRAIDS HE WILL LOSE VOTES. HE WILL DO ANYTHING TO GET ELECTED. AND YES AMERICA IS READY AND WAS READY FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT BUT NOT OBAMA (ANTI-AMERICAN, AND RADICAL) LIKE HIS PASTOR. I SEE THAT VERY CLEAR IN HIS WIFE. OBAMA IS TRYING TO BE POLITICALLY CORRECT AND CHANGE WITH THE POLLS"

[Area504]

Perhaps Mr. Obama should have listened more closely to our country's Founding Fathers:

Associate yourself with men of good quality if you esteem your own reputation for 'tis better to be alone than in bad company.

George Washington
First president of US (1732 - 1799)

[xyndau]

I did not watch it, fell asleep. lol Based on what I'm reading, I have no real desie to either. Soundslike he has duped the MSM again, but then, the MSM wanted a reson to justify its love for him. yuk

[Area504]

All because of the MSM, and many believing he is the uniter. Great speech? More like a lecture and a spank on the hands of Rev.Wright. It may be very well true that he spoke of Jesus and things that we go to church to hear about. But it's not alright to dehuamize and insult everyone he is against. If the superdelegates buy into this, the country will turn redder than a lobster and give the whitehouse to McCain.

I agree with everything you said, with the exception that it was a "spank on the hands of Rev. Wright." It seemed more like a spank on the collective hands of white America to me. :mad:

[xfiles]

Obama refused to sever his relationship with Wright. In recent interviews he said he never heard these controversial statements/sermons. Today he said he had heard some. He cannot be believed or trusted. Since his true feelings are not known but he is suspect as a liar, we should not gamble on this man for the highest office in the land. Will he have Wright at the White House or close by to counsel him if he is president? Too many ifs, ands and maybes!

We can see the true hold Wright has on Obama and it isn't good. If he won't sever all ties and renounce him, then he is on Wright's side.

I could not be friendly with someone I knew made these statements and Obama shouldn't either. Period. No debate.

[joeysky18]

Here is my take on the speech. And I don't think Obama is going to get new vote. I will break apart my analysis so it's easier to follow.

Obama chose to solidify the black people with his speech.
He united them together by saying that the
anger of the Black people is justified. And then he
turn the black people against the white people.

He's telling the white people that you are dumped and
ignorant that you don't know racial tention exist in
this country. We have the right to be mad because of
white people's action. We are the good guy here. So
if you want to be good, join us. If not, you are one
of the racists like my granny, Ferrarro, and the
Clintons.

So his speech aims to solidify the black vote, and
"retain" the white vote using guilt conscious. I'm
saying retain because I don't think he will gain any
new white vote because of this speech.

This strategy will work only if there are a lot of
white people who feel guilty that they were part of
the white racist. This group of people will buy Obama speech.
This is the younger generation that blame white racist on their
parents & grandparents generation.

Any white people who have sympathy with black people
but don't see that they have contributed anything to
continue the racism, but actually trying to improve
it, will find Obama's speech very offensive. I hope
that this is the majority of the American people. My
feeling said this group is already mainly Hillary's
base. She might pick up new vote here.

Any white people who is the actual culprit and
practice racism would never ever vote for Obama to
begin with. So no gain here for him.

That's why I think, no matter how beautiful and
articulate his speech was, it has little impact to
gain any new vote for Obama. He will actually be
losing some of the white vote after his speech.

[Area504]

Here is my take on the speech. And I don't think Obama is going to get new vote. I will break apart my analysis so it's easier to follow.

Good analysis, IMO!

[lanney]

Now let me tell how MSNBC will twist this.
Obama had a character he is not leaving his pastor, Hate sin not sinner etc....

Well, with same logic, people who are linked with Osama-bin-laden should not be punished.
People who give charity to Islamic radicals should not to be punsihed.
We should not hate those 19 Islamic who slammed planes on building.

What a crap!!!
His speech and behavior make me sick.
Is it me or others are also thinking in same line.

[Area504]

Is it me or others are also thinking in same line.

Nope, not just you. Not just you at all!

[Ijane]

About one minute into Obama's speech, National Lampoon's Animal House popped into my head. And for the rest of his speech, all I could picture was the Delta fraternity boys during the trial scene coughing "bull****"!!

[lakerchick4life]

Since I was sleeping at the time I am glad that they ran some snippits of the speech..basically he threw his white grandmother under the bus, called her a racist..now he ADMITS that he heard some of the "controversial" remarks from Wright..I have some news for you Obama, it's not "controversial" its downright RACIST..He refused to distance himself from Wright, saying how he helped him find Christ..he disagreed with his statements yet he stayed at the church for TWENTY YEARS..how come he didn't just leave..not enough churches in Chicago..Obama made himself look like a fool today..he just keeps on digging himself into a bigger hole. I am glad that Hillary has not commented on this at all, she doesn't have to..Obama is destroying himself

[Ohio mom]

About one minute into Obama's speech, National Lampoon's Animal House popped into my head. And for the rest of his speech, all I could picture was the Delta fraternity boys during the trial scene coughing "bull****"!!

HAAHHAHHA!!!:D

[BooskerD]

I could be way off here, but I think that a portion of whites will be very turned off by today's speech. This was not a "unifying" speech, this sounded like a "blaming white Americans" speech. I never bought into the whole white, liberal guilt thing and I personally don't feel responsible or deserving of Pastor Wright's wrath. At some point, blaming whites has to go and personal accountability has to kick in, doesn't it? I don't think I'm the only one who is getting tired of hearing this.

[movingtous]

I can never fully understand why white people get blamed so much for everything. My philosophy in life is to constantly move forward. Harboring resentment only makes one a sour person. I think many people have learned a lot from past mistakes, so we do need to turn the page. I know how important History is, but let's HOPE that we can move forward.
Asians tend to do well because we don't go around expecting anything and blaming anyone. We, however, realize that FAMILY is the key to happiness and success.

[Lodi]

Dr. Juli's Rx for the anxiety and outrage over the hijacking of yet another freakin' election: Check out the following site, run by an AA, an Asian, and a Latina.

http://www.stop-obama.org/

[Ijane]

basically he threw his white grandmother under the bus, called her a racist..OMG!!! I couldn't believe that one!!!

Yes! Obama threw his poor grandma under the bus!! He threw her head first!!! How old is the woman...late 80's-90's???

His poor mother must have rolled in her grave when he said that! May she rest in peace!

His campaign has no boundries. None whatsoever.

[mrkalbo]

I can never fully understand why white people get blamed so much for everything. My philosophy in life is to constantly move forward. Harboring resentment only makes one a sour person. I think many people have learned a lot from past mistakes, so we do need to turn the page. I know how important History is, but let's HOPE that we can move forward.
Asians tend to do well because we don't go around expecting anything and blaming anyone. We, however, realize that FAMILY is the key to happiness and success.

You're absolutely right! My roots is asian and our values is pretty straight forward, that is....work harder and you'll be benefitted, but some people are lazy and blame their predicament to others.

[Bless]

His white grandmother was racist, yet she had a black son-rn-law a black grandson a black grand daughter –in-law and black great grand children

Obama really lose it

[BooskerD]

Dr. Juli's Rx for the anxiety and outrage over the hijacking of yet another freakin' election: Check out the following site, run by an AA, an Asian, and a Latina.

http://www.stop-obama.org/

Wow! What a great link!

[Ijane]

His white grandmother was racist, yet she had a black son-rn-law a black grandson a black grand daughter –in-law and black great grand children



YES! And the woman loved her grandson so much that she raised him and financially supported him.

Obama, the disrespectful opportunist had the nerve to compare his grandma to jeremiah wright!

He said that it would give her an unsafe feeling if she saw a black man on the streets. He said that he heard her use racial slurs on occasion. What he doesn't explain to us is if something happened during her life to make her feel this way. He doesn't acknowledge the fact that grandma, unlike Wright, grew up at a time in our history where people had a very different mind set then they have today. Does that make her racism acceptable? No, but it makes it understandable.

I hope Obama can sleep well at night after doing what he did to his grandma today...and on national television!! Good Lord!

[Bless]

Perhaps Mr. Obama should have listened more closely to our country's Founding Fathers:

So True

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[Teri B.]

I just have to say, after seeing some clips from the speech and then reading it, I am deeply, deeply moved. I had tears in my eyes. He has brilliantly described a country and a people who are so diverse and complex. We have, as nation committed unspeakable and cruel wrongs against one another and others, and yet, at our finest moments have broken down barriers of race, ethnicity, religion, gender, oppression, and tyranny, like no other nation. We have tried to learn from our mistakes, and taken pride in our achievements, and sometimes we have been too prideful and arrogant. Yes, we, as a nation, have made mistakes, and we have also strived and fought for justice and freedom. None of us is perfect, and none of those we love are perfect, but each of us has within us the ingredients for all that is good in humanity.

I'm very proud of Obama, and I'm in awe of his words. I feel that for me, the issue of Rev. Wright's statements is dead. I think he has laid it to rest. Whether the media will put it down is another matter.

That doesn't mean I think he is the best person to be president, but I am fair-minded enough to accept and applaud what he has said on this subject. That doesn't mean I can understand his call for Imus to be fired (which I believe he should have been), while excusing the behavior of someone he personally cares about. I believe he plays politics too often, when he should stand up for what is right, like counting the votes of the people even if it doesn't benefit him personally. However, as I said, on the specific issue of Rev. Wright, I am satisfied.

[hillary4change]

Hi, this is my first post to a thread. I do hope that I am doing it correctly.
I want to say that his speech on its face was beautiful. BUT, it doesn't address the fact that he (obama) is wanting us to accept this man as an angry man, of another time disenfranchised by the times he had to live in. IE: missed oportunities etc. He wants us to just forgive this man for accusing white America for creating AIDS to kill off Black America!! Forgive his comment that rich white America is to be blamed as they run America and have formulated the society that Black Americans are forced to live in up to this day!! I want to know where this campaign of unity went as Axelrod stated late last night that The Clintons will do "anything" to win this race and I do mean "anything"

[Bacio83]

I just have to say, after seeing some clips from the speech and then reading it, I am deeply, deeply moved. I had tears in my eyes. He has brilliantly described a country and a people who are so diverse and complex. We have, as nation committed unspeakable and cruel wrongs against one another and others, and yet, at our finest moments have broken down barriers of race, ethnicity, religion, gender, oppression, and tyranny, like no other nation. We have tried to learn from our mistakes, and taken pride in our achievements, and sometimes we have been too prideful and arrogant. Yes, we, as a nation, have made mistakes, and we have also strived and fought for justice and freedom. None of us is perfect, and none of those we love are perfect, but each of us has within us the ingredients for all that is good in humanity.

I'm very proud of Obama, and I'm in awe of his words. I feel that for me, the issue of Rev. Wright's statements is dead. I think he has laid it to rest. Whether the media will put it down is another matter.

That doesn't mean I think he is the best person to be president, but I am fair-minded enough to accept and applaud what he has said on this subject. That doesn't mean I can understand his call for Imus to be fired (which I believe he should have been), while excusing the behavior of someone he personally cares about. I believe he plays politics too often, when he should stand up for what is right, like counting the votes of the people even if it doesn't benefit him personally. However, as I said, on the specific issue of Rev. Wright, I am satisfied.

Uhhhh..... are you sure you were watching the same speech? It was pandering to a T, and a ridiculous speech that instigated more harm than good. I think you were blinded by your tears, I suggest reading the speech.

[Teri B.]

Uhhhh..... are you sure you were watching the same speech? It was pandering to a T, and a ridiculous speech that instigated more harm than good. I think you were blinded by your tears, I suggest reading the speech.

Well, it may not be popular here to tell the truth about how I feel, but it is how I feel. Obama is not a monster, though some of his supporters are. He's also not ready to be president right now IMO, but he is a democrat I have some admiration for. I'm sick to death of this ultra-partisanship in this primary, and it may ultimately tear our party apart, and tragically for this nation, hand the election to McCain.

[Brooke]

Okay, I didn't see the speech but I did read it after and I saw the same things you guys saw, just "blah blah blah", not addressing the real issues. And I don't think this will save him at all, I just think he was saying what he needed to say. And the comparsion to his great grandmother was ridiculous.

And anybody who is still an "undecided Democratic voter" at this stage in the game, is a moron.

[hillary4change]

I get so mad at MSNBC for their treatment of Hillary I sent this to Chris sexist Mattews
Chris,
Here are some thoughts I have that also include your position on Obama. You are as guilty of this as other Obama supporters. I have heard you say the most horrible things about Senator Clinton that are not only divisive and sexist they are cruel.
I have heard you speak on Obamas ability to change people and yet it hasn't worked on you!! Why is that?
What I don't get is BO supporters talk about how they believe in BO as an agent of change, for the new politics of hope and promise. To rise above the old politics, and yet they espouse division and exclusion totally contrary to what he says he is about, and why you support him. If he is such an agent of change, why can't he get you and his other supporters to stop with the sexist agist statements that go against his platform of unity???
I think that alot of BO supporters are supporting him because he is saying things that on their face are great. Yet he hasn't been able to get people to treat each other in this manner. I have not heard him speak out against the media and the things they say about Hillary (while in support of him) that are filled with hate, division & malice! If he is a true agent of change why hasn't he grabbed this bull by the horns? I can tell you why. It is an attack machine that leaves his hands clean! Yet, I see it as his hands being dirty because he isn't living up to his own WORDS of change. Help me to understand that please!

[Ijane]

I have heard you speak on Obamas ability to change people and yet it hasn't worked on you!!

:D:D

[HillYes]

I was disgusted with his speech, but more disgusted with the gullibility of most of our fellow Americans and for sure the MSM.

That speech was designed to deflect and remove the attention of the msm and public away from Wright's extreme racism and Obama's compliance with it, by turning attention to the greater race problem as a whole and unfortunately, it appears to have worked.

He still has not answered the questions that the MSM/public had, but seems to have forgotten now!

For one, why did Obama continue to participate in a congregation that was so racist and anti-American? He obviously did not disagree with the hate expressed by Wright and the congregation that much or he could not have continued there.

If anyone doubts that, they should ask themselves whether they could have continued to participate in any group that would utter such contempt for another group of people and the country as a whole – most people ( I would hope) if not all would not. Frankly I would not want to associate in any way with someone that could condone this type of behavior much less see them elected as President of the United States! And condone it he did by continuing to participate for 20 years - and even further condoning it today in his speech by refusing to denounce Wright.

Can you IMAGINE if Hillary’s church spewed this type of venom! There would be no speech, no nothing to save her… but lest we forget, this country is deaf, dumb and blind when it comes to sexism but hyper-aware of racism. :rolleyes:

Obama’s followers (they are not supporters in my mind since they just blindly follow him) are trying to make sure we get a continuation of the same type of incompetence and absurdity we have had for the past 7+ years. God help us if Hillary cannot somehow pull this off.

For what it's worth I've decided I'm going to quit blogging (except for here) and start writing the msm, superdelegates, DNC, etc. instead. Blogging on the various media websites is an exercise in futility and just gets me p.o.'d more than anything else.

Thanks for letting me rant... Susan

[Bacio83]

Well, it may not be popular here to tell the truth about how I feel, but it is how I feel. Obama is not a monster, though some of his supporters are. He's also not ready to be president right now IMO, but he is a democrat I have some admiration for. I'm sick to death of this ultra-partisanship in this primary, and it may ultimately tear our party apart, and tragically for this nation, hand the election to McCain.


Ah I c, well I can admit I thought Obama would be better in 2016 when he was more vetted and ready. But I have to say that his supporters have put a bad taste in my mouth. His audacity, and the fact that he thinks speeches will solve our problems also upsets me. Instead of speaking candidly with the press to answer their questions he told them to wait for his speech. This isn't what I look for in a president. The more I learned about Obama the more he became a politician and not a good one at that.

But I'm not condemning how you feel I just think that speech was BS.

[samkm]

We need to always ask WHO is saying the words and why.
- 20-year association with this non-sense and ANTI-AMERICANISM.
- never tried to reform from within
- didnt help get heat for hundreds of families in 11 buildings in low-income district in Chicago.. his own district.. buildings owned by Rezko.
- trying to save his skin in the campaign…

Slickest ever.

America can see thru this.. hoodwinking attempt… He gave 45 minutes of written, teleprompted speech.. and you gave him the rest of the day..

==========Here we go. See the reaction===========
http://guidetotheperplexed.blogspot.com/2008/03/19-march-2008-what-obama-should-have.html
This one resonates with me..
Quote:
Obama’s speech yesterday in Philadelphia had a similar effect. He had been expected to dispel, once and for all, any question that he sympathized with the hateful, racist anti-Americanism of his pastor, Jeremiah A. Wright. Instead, he failed to break with Wright, and used the occasion to attack his political enemies and to revisit a frayed list of racial grievances. For Obama, this is the beginning of the end.
His supporters are crowing about what a triumph the speech was, how historic and how groundbreaking. The hype and hyperbole are a sign of the deep insecurity they rightly feel about what was revealed today. Senator Obama 1) did not apologize; 2) did not break with Wright; 3) did not provide a way forward. He did not quote the Bible even once—quite astonishing, given that religion is at the heart of this affair.


Here's my add: And he doesnt say the pledge of allegiance....

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I think Newt Gingrich brought this up yesterday. He said that BO CANNOT disown Rev. Wright, for without being befriended by the reverend, BO would not have been accepted by the black community.

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Bottomline.

Barack is part of the (not-so-)Rev (Not-so-)WRIGHT setting.. for 20 years... sharing the hateful thought against other humans and anti-American lectures.

Racist remarks are just that..wherever they are made and there was anti-american statements being made..

Barack is mired in the problem.. and has not been part of the solution..
He has not earned this lofy podium. No wonder he needed the teleprompter and papers.

DONT FORGET: He did not help turn the heat on for the poor suffering people in the 11 buildings in his own district, even though he had total influence both thru his state senate office and thru his friend Rezko who owned the building. These are very large apartment complexes with literaly hundreds of people in each building. No Joke! No kidding.. It is not humane!!

I share the concern well expressed in the following by someone I greatly admire:
I am gravely concerned about Senator Obama’s association with his Reverend Jeremiah Wright and what this will mean for the Democrats in November… and regardless of who wins.. what all this hatred will mean for the country in the long-run. I am also concerned about it from a personal standpoint. I have looked at it from many directions and the only conclusion I can draw is that Senator Obama is not ready or fit to serve as President of our Great Country. If in fact he was present at any of those hate filled sermons, then he is unfit. On the other hand, if he was not present, but chose to stay a member of such a radical church without being aware of that fact, then he again is unfit for not being able to assess his close knit surroundings for more than two decades. That does not bode well for a President. How will he be able to assess his surroundings in a World Arena?

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Watch this video, and you will learn how blacks feel about people like BO.

Very enlightening. I think it is good to know a little bit about everything.

YouTube - Harlem Preacher says Obama got a White Mama

It is a sad commentary that in the name of unity and hope this candidate, using words like "hoodwink" "bamboozle" and "brother" has driven such a deep wedge into this community.. and a pastor has keep hatred alive. Ever wonder whose interests that serves. Wright!!!

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I would much rather watch something heart-healthy instead.
www.thehillaryiknow.com
http://flags4hill.com

and truly understand the positions, plans and agendas of the candidate: www.hillaryclinton.com/issues -- they are cohesive, comprehensive, systemic and BRILLIANT!!

We deserve to have this phenomenal public servant and proven leader to help clean up the mess that we will inherit into that office from Bush, you know the other one who was all-talk and promise.. and a lot of lies and not much respect for national service (yes, Dan Rather had brought up something significant afterall)!

[Joe from WI]

Well, it may not be popular here to tell the truth about how I feel, but it is how I feel. Obama is not a monster, though some of his supporters are. He's also not ready to be president right now IMO, but he is a democrat I have some admiration for. I'm sick to death of this ultra-partisanship in this primary, and it may ultimately tear our party apart, and tragically for this nation, hand the election to McCain.

Look. BO uses the race card 3 times to get what he wanted. The speech was the latest attempt at using race to show that Wright was 'ok', and he (BO) was just trying to reconcile with his black heritage. He did that by :
- Blaming Clintons
- Blame America
- Blame Ferraro
- Blame his Granny.

You think he is not a monster? You think he really cares for the AA community? Pls tell me what he has really and actually done for the AA community that warrants him associating with the likes of Wright?

I'm not saying you cannot have your own opinion, but i total disagree with you that BO is 'not a monster'. And i disagree with you that he should be admired.

He claims himself as the opposite of what washington politicians are : but look at him. He is worse than them because he NOT the OPPOSITE but he claims he is. So he is worse than them. Do you see the problem with BO now?

[Patsy]

Well, it may not be popular here to tell the truth about how I feel, but it is how I feel. Obama is not a monster, though some of his supporters are. He's also not ready to be president right now IMO, but he is a democrat I have some admiration for. I'm sick to death of this ultra-partisanship in this primary, and it may ultimately tear our party apart, and tragically for this nation, hand the election to McCain.

The Party is already torn apart. Obama has succeeded in that and the old dems fell for it hook line and sinker.