OOPS! Oprah's Minions UNHAPPY With Obama For Throwing Granny Under The Bus

[Ijane]

I'm sorry Obama. Although some Democrats might forgive you, even make excuses for you, when you lie to the American people but throw granny under the bus, well you might as well move to Cuba.

Not even Oprah's minions are happy about this one...and I'm sure there's much more to come (from my lips to God's ears :) )

http://www.oprah.com/community/thread/40024

[neutralplayer]

Too funny lol

[Ijane]

GOD BLESS OBAMA's GRANDMOTHER HE IS COMPARING HER TO WRIGHT
Mar 18, 2008 11:09 AM patofwythe
364 posts since
Feb 18, 2008
Obama said that he could not anymore distance himself from Wright, than he could from Black Americans, then he proceeds to mention his grandmother's statements.(how many years ago, 40 maybe?) Her comments cannot be compared to Wrights and I resent the fact that he brought her into his speech. We have grown as Americans in the last 40 years and his comments about his grandmother, in a warped way, justify Wrights inexcusable comments.
_myrepub_
104 posts since
Mar 17, 2008
Reply 1. Re: GOD BLESS OBAMA's GRANDMOTHER HE IS COMPARING HER TO WRIGHT Mar 18, 2008 11:15 AM

Obama lied to the Nation...Obama chose a racist over the white house...Atleast we know before Obama got the nomination.
mimi1003
770 posts since
Feb 5, 2008
Reply 2. Re: GOD BLESS OBAMA's GRANDMOTHER HE IS COMPARING HER TO WRIGHT Mar 18, 2008 11:22 AM

patofwythe wrote:Obama said that he could not anymore distance himself from Wright, than he could from Black Americans, then he proceeds to mention his grandmother's statements.(how many years ago, 40 maybe?) Her comments cannot be compared to Wrights and I resent the fact that he brought her into his speech. We have grown as Americans in the last 40 years and his comments about his grandmother, in a warped way, justify Wrights inexcusable comments.I thought it was pretty pathetic to bring up comments made by his white grandmother many years ago, to the rantings of Wright who has been preaching this hate against whites and America for at least 20 years, probably more.

I'm supporting McCain and felt that Obama would be the 'lesser of two evils' between him and Hillary, but no longer. I don't want that man anywhere near the White House. He should not even be in the US Senate. Come to think of it....didn't Trent Lott have to resign his majority position in the Senate due to his comments about a 100 year old man at his birthday celebration? Gosh, there's that double standard again.

...and there's so much more..lol

[G4Hillary]

hehehe

[G4Hillary]

Didn't Oprah also attend that church? She has some questions to answer!

[Optixmom]

posted by mtdew74:

Poor Grandmother, I hope there's plenty of room under that bus, it's getting kinda crowded.

[Ijane]

All future politician wannabes, take notes! You can lie, cheat and steal and make it to the White House, but if you disrespect your granny, you can say bye-bye to your political career!! :eek:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=obama+compares+grandmother+to+wright

[lucky-ann]

muhahaha...does anyone think oprah reads her message board...i doubt it, but since she endorsed him it's pretty funny that her fans think this way about wright...maybe we should sent the link to fox ;) (i know it's not really a story, but i could imagine they bring it up...i mean they are fox, they do everything they can to hurt democrats and as long as this democrats are called obama i'm absolutely fine with that...)

[Soaring Eagle]

Kool-Aid seems to be wearing off pretty quick! They must have some serious headaches. LOL

[CGP]

Except #3 and #4 (same person) who wishes to peddle that same old ridiculous argument which is this - anyone who critiques Obama is a racist. Logic? Ridiculous. That mentality is what has contributed to giving Obama a "free ride" through this election until only very recently. And now that he is finally getting some scrutiny, some criticism, he comes out with a speech about race relations? Anyone else see the timing of this. How convenient. Just when the heat is increased, Obama comes out with a "what's wrong in America" speech to bring us all together. What trite nonsense. If this man had any credibility he would take in the very valid criticisms being thrown at him and respond in a reasonable and honest manner. But he doesn't have any credibility and has to rely on unthinking "supporters" to accuse everyone else as being racists when we dare to criticize Obama. Yawn...

[Wyoming Dem]

I have spent much of today looking at blogs all over the internet (When I should have been finishing up tax stuff to take to accountant!!!) to gauge reaction to Barack "Sorry Grandma, but all's fair in politics" Obama's "Oh my God it's more far reaching and glorious than the Emancipation Proclomation" race speech. I honestly figured that one more time, Mr. BO would once again slide down the teflon highway that the media has built, especially for him. But NO!!! I can honestly say that on all the sites I looked at, opinion was running much more "against" than "For". The blog site at Opera was really surprising to me. The Republicans are happy as hogs at the trough. Mr. BO will be the easiest hatchetjob they have ever had!

[CGP]

Once again we see Obama's sexist attitudes shining through - more than willinging to criticize his grandmother for comments she made decades ago but protecting his sexist male buddy, Wright. Shameful.

[CGP]

The Republicans are happy as hogs at the trough. Mr. BO will be the easiest hatchetjob they have ever had!

No, he won't be, as Hillary will be the nominee! The GOP won't be getting the opportunity to roll over Obama.

[lucky-ann]

No, he won't be, as Hillary will be the nominee! The GOP won't be getting the opportunity to roll over Obama.

that's the attitude we need!:D

[pnevai]

Perhaps it is time to start emailing the Ophra show asking why she is still supporting Barrack, seeing how he is sticking by Wright? Remember the guy who's book she so ardently supported and marketed and what happened when she found out he basicallly plagerized the whole thing. Duped now not once but twice.

[Bless]

Didn't Oprah also attend that church? She has some questions to answer!

Oprah only supporting Obama because of race

[pnevai]

Hmmm How about a parody of Ophras Big Give show where all the contestants are running to give Obama the money. Perhaps it's time to put pressure on some of his high profile supporters. Guilt by association you know

[Ijane]

Look at how insane Obama is. This paragraph was taken from his exact speech he gave today:


I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother – a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.



What is wrong with this man?? The guy thinks he can run a country but say such a stupid thing

but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street,

The jerk compares his grandmother who did all this selfless stuff for him to Jeremiah Wright because he heard her say "ONCE" that she was fearful???

Hello!!! Obama Democrats!! You Need Your Heads Checked!!!!

You guys, this is not going away anytime soon. This isn't going to just be front page news for awhile, this is going to make David Letterman, Leno, SNL...etc!!! To Funny!:D

[Wyoming Dem]

temo51
689 posts since
Mar 2, 2008
Reply 28. Re: GOD BLESS OBAMA's GRANDMOTHER HE IS COMPARING HER TO WRIGHT Mar 18, 2008 5:00 PM in response to: cat062174
I read the whole speech in the NYTimes, unedited. A good thing about reading is that you can reread it and understand it better. I read it and reread it. Obama is a schmuk. !!!

[xfiles]

He uses his white grandmother not only to pander to white voters but to try to justify his continued relationship with Wright by comapring his grandmother's expression of fear of black men passing her on the street.

She may have been a racist (he says so in his book Dreams from my father) where he pretty much dismisses the white side of his family. Wonder where he got that idea?

He panders again now saying that he wishes he had given his mother more credit for who she is and had been at her bedside when she died.

I get tears in my eyes when I think of this.

Where is his white grandmother? How come he doesn't have her by his side or at least have done some intervies with her?

Obama is not who we have been waiting for (he plagiarized this phrase also from the Hopi Indian Tribe).

He is not authentic, true or believable and too dangerous to be in the White House!

[YesSheCan]

Once again we see Obama's sexist attitudes shining through - more than willinging to criticize his grandmother for comments she made decades ago but protecting his sexist male buddy, Wright. Shameful.

Obama said at some point that Wright throughout the years had to also listen to complaints about OB from his (obama's) wife. Maybe Obama doesn't want Wright to get mad enough to spill the beans.

[lucky-ann]

i think what we shouldn't forget is, that obama's grandmother made this comments long ago when unfortunately a lot of people shared this (horrible) racist views. but wright made his comments in the America of today!

[LJSNAustin]

I'm glad Oprah is catching almighty hell about this. She should NEVER have entered the political arena with her endorsement of bo. I will never watch her show again. Too bad, because I adored her in The Color Purple.

[luvhillary]

Didn't Oprah also attend that church? She has some questions to answer!

Yes but she left it. Probably had better judgement at the time.

[Ijane]

My understanding is also that Oprah left the church.

It's funny. I'm sure Oprah left the church because she knew it didn't make good business sense for her to be a member there seeing as how the white women of America had embraced her the way they did.

Obama, on the hand, stayed with the church because being the opportunist he is, it helped him gain credibility and popularity with the black community which he needed to help advance his political career.
(I'm the queen of loooong sentences! Sorry)

[mjoynaples]

Once again we see Obama's sexist attitudes shining through - more than willinging to criticize his grandmother for comments she made decades ago but protecting his sexist male buddy, Wright. Shameful.

I felt the same thing he also threw Geraldine Ferro under there too as if she and the grandmother said the same things as the pastor did... unbeliveable and HE LIED when he told everyone on the weekend "no I was not in the pew to hear those words the have been "strung together" and today he says "yes, I heard them (over and over and over again... and it never occured to him this was off ? and we do not heal difficult relationships by being as bad as what we know to be wrong...) My only hope is that the superdelegates GET THIS AND VOTE ACCORDINGLY and for the ONLY PERSON who will WIN against JOHN MCCAIN... SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON!!! we need to write to the superdelegates... he needs to quit the senate and the presidential race... soooner than later!

[unchainthedogs]

That speech today was nothing but a bunch of crap! He choose to use his WHITE grandmother as a prop to satisfy his Black supporters. He is a sly, lying, cheating man is all I can say!! I will not ever vote for him nor do I want him as HC's VP!!

[Ijane]

I will not ever vote for him nor do I want him as HC's VP!!

I think both Obama's played far to dirty with her for her to consider asking Obama to be her VP running mate.

I don't think she'd do it to us either. No way...won't do it..can't happen:eek:

[Jen the Michigander]

i think what we shouldn't forget is, that obama's grandmother made this comments long ago when unfortunately a lot of people shared this (horrible) racist views. but wright made his comments in the America of today!

True. And as far as I know, Obama's grandmother was never part of an organized racist group, whereas Rev. Wright was (until recently) the LEADER of a racist church.

[Valencia]

Did Geraldine Ferraro made racist commentsconfused:

[blueskygal]

Gee did he think this wouldn't matter and that one speech would wipe away a 20 year choice on his part. The guy keeps lying. Sexism not a surprise. He kept his mouth shut the whole time the sexist press piloried Hillary because it wasn't to his advantage.

Thank GOD there is no primary for a month and this story won't go away. I left white evangelical churches when I heard them spouting bigotted remarks and hatred. I think it was expedient for Obama to be part of that church. I think he uses everything to promote himself.

He has divided the party and how dare he give us a lecture on how to get past things when he and his wife have shown themselves incapable of doing the same.

Your deeds are catching up with you sir.

[jbohio]

to the song, "Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer"

[lucky-ann]

Did Geraldine Ferraro made racist commentsconfused:

well, she did say that the main reason for Obama's success is his skin color...it's up to you, if you consider that racist...

[Ijane]

"...Obama's grandmother was never part of an organized racist group..."

That's a very good point. Using poor grandma was wrong on so many levels.

The news reported that Obama wrote most of the speech he gave this morning. Even if that's true, he had his ivy league speech writers go over it with a fine tooth comb. Hmmm...just goes to show ya what bad shape our educational institutions are in. How much did you pay for that Harvard degree? :p

[Area504]

to the song, "Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer"

:D

[Valencia]

well, she did say that the main reason for Obama's success is his skin color...it's up to you, if you consider that racist...
What she said is true.

[lucky-ann]

The news reported that Obama wrote most of the speech he gave this morning.

yeah, sure...and what's their great source? the obama campaign?:p

[Cooney]

I listened to Potus 08 this afternoon and they interviewed two reporters at the speech. The speech was in front of only about 200 people of which most were journalists. Both reporters were not very complimentary of the speech, and found some problems with it's content. But what they were most critical of was the fact he did not take any questions after. Again, he is giving a speech, and will not have any direct questioning from the press. That to me says it all. One of these press interview compared the speech to Romney's Mormon speech, and we know what happened after that one. ;)

[RachachaSharon]

BO must think his oratorical skill would work a magic spell. So much has been said of his ability in this department, he apparently bought into it. Pathetic.

[Amy Dugan]

BLATANT LIAR!

March 14, 2008 Fox interview Obama said: "the sermons now sparking controversy didn’t resemble the sermons he remembers from Wright, which, Obama said, stuck to messages of faith, values and helping people in the community." Asked if he knew that these controversial statements were made, would he quit the church? Obama said: "Yes if I thought that was the repeated tenor of the church then I wouldn’t feel comfortable, but frankly that has not been my experience at Trinity United Church of Christ.

March 18: Obama said: "He had sat in church and heard his former minister make controversial remarks.

"Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely -- just as I'm sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed."

The remarks that caused the most recent firestorm "were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity," Obama said.


This flip flopping , and sayng anything to get elected, sounds like what he accuses other politicians in Washington of doing, including Hillary Clinton.
THIS DOES NOT SOUND LIKE POSITIVE CHANGE TO ME!

[Peppermint Patty]

BLATANT LIAR!

March 14, 2008 Fox interview Obama said: "the sermons now sparking controversy didn’t resemble the sermons he remembers from Wright, which, Obama said, stuck to messages of faith, values and helping people in the community." Asked if he knew that these controversial statements were made, would he quit the church? Obama said: "Yes if I thought that was the repeated tenor of the church then I wouldn’t feel comfortable, but frankly that has not been my experience at Trinity United Church of Christ.

March 18: Obama said: "He had sat in church and heard his former minister make controversial remarks.

"Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely -- just as I'm sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed."

The remarks that caused the most recent firestorm "were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity," Obama said.

This flip flopping , and sayng anything to get elected, sounds like what he accuses other politicians in Washington of doing, including Hillary Clinton.
THIS DOES NOT SOUND LIKE POSITIVE CHANGE TO ME!

Exactly! He was so adamant and stupidly professed not to have heard any of Wright's sermons or even knew of them... and now, oh yeah, I did hear it. Yes, we knew that all along, Barack. You lied right to the camera and then again this morning.

Which is why he apparently doesn't like off the cuff questions from the press. He can't keep his lies straight now.

I heard he was going to "sit down in an exclusive interview" with some MSM reporter tonight. I'm sure it's going to be quite scripted. I can just see the cotton balls being tossed at him now!

And to say that about his Grandma! That is just wrong. And he wasn't at his mother's bedside when she died??? What kind of a man is he? I always found him to be cold and distant but that is really sad. I hope he regrets that the rest of his life.

[BloodDAnna]

I really wish Senator Obama changes his personal association with the church and the Rev Wright before his daughters get infected by this type of hate. Trying not to quote Whitney Houston but children really are the future and if they are subjected to this type of thinking then they are doomed to repeat it.

[sapacey]

Geraldene Farraro said Obama was the front runner because he is black. He wouldn't have gotten 90 percent of the black vote if he was white. That was the point she was making.

That isn't racist its just an opinion.

[Charlie Brown]

I felt the same thing he also threw Geraldine Ferro under there too as if she and the grandmother said the same things as the pastor did... unbeliveable and HE LIED when he told everyone on the weekend "no I was not in the pew to hear those words the have been "strung together" and today he says "yes, I heard them (over and over and over again... and it never occured to him this was off ? and we do not heal difficult relationships by being as bad as what we know to be wrong...) My only hope is that the superdelegates GET THIS AND VOTE ACCORDINGLY and for the ONLY PERSON who will WIN against JOHN MCCAIN... SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON!!! we need to write to the superdelegates... he needs to quit the senate and the presidential race... soooner than later!

I feel s bad for Geraldine, I bet she is sorry she opened her mouth. What a mess.

[Frances]

According to the 1930 Butler Co. Ks. Census:
Payne, Rolla C. 37 yrs. md 29 b. Ks. Mo. Ohio, Bookeeper for Oil Co.
Leona, wife 32 md 24 Ks. Mo. Ark
MADELYN dau 7 Ks. ..................This is Granny..........
Charles son 5 Ks.
Arlene dau 3 Ks.

Rolla Charles Payne, is Obama's ggrandfather.

Madelyn Lee Payne md. Stanley Armour Dunham (1918 Ks. d. 1992)
They had Stanley Ann Dunham, Obama's mother, b. 29 Nov 1942, died 7 Nov 1995, Hawaii.

Apparently Granny is still living?? Would have been born ca 1923.

[Frances]

If Granny is living, she would about 86 years of age.

[BloodDAnna]

I am very impressed with how Bill and Hillary are being blamed for this...they are so uber powerful with their super hero powers lol

[Charlie Brown]

Exactly! He was so adamant and stupidly professed not to have heard any of Wright's sermons or even knew of them... and now, oh yeah, I did hear it. Yes, we knew that all along, Barack. You lied right to the camera and then again this morning.

Which is why he apparently doesn't like off the cuff questions from the press. He can't keep his lies straight now.

I heard he was going to "sit down in an exclusive interview" with some MSM reporter tonight. I'm sure it's going to be quite scripted. I can just see the cotton balls being tossed at him now!

And to say that about his Grandma! That is just wrong. And he wasn't at his mother's bedside when she died??? What kind of a man is he? I always found him to be cold and distant but that is really sad. I hope he regrets that the rest of his life.
Do you suppose he knew he was taking a risk today. Maybe he has desided it isnt worth the presidency to not speak the truth. maybe he's had enouph. So he changed his mind and said what he felt instead of what we want to hear. Dont get me wrong I wont vote for the man. just a different perspective

[xyndau]

and it begins for Senator Obama, the downfall for grandma. See my earlier post here (http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=2319)

[G4Hillary]

Geraldene Farraro said Obama was the front runner because he is black. He wouldn't have gotten 90 percent of the black vote if he was white. That was the point she was making.

That isn't racist its just an opinion.

That's not an opinion it is a fact. Otherwise how do the Clintons all of a sudden start losing all the black votes.

[tcbwriter]

Didn't Oprah also attend that church? She has some questions to answer!
Oprah attended from 1984-1986. From what I've read, she won't discuss why she left.

[tcbwriter]

Just read the posts - WOW! What a surprise.

Gotta love it! :D

[leahchamblee]

I'm sorry Obama. Although some Democrats might forgive you, even make excuses for you, when you lie to the American people but throw granny under the bus, well you might as well move to Cuba.

Not even Oprah's minions are happy about this one...and I'm sure there's much more to come (from my lips to God's ears :) )

http://www.oprah.com/community/thread/40024

it's really awful isn't it, I think it's worse than the mortgage crises. I loved my grandma, someone who publicly runs over his grandma, is there a word for that? I guess I'll think of it as an "obammid" definition= someone who denigrates thier grandma. (who helped raise him, did he say that? who helped raise him holy cow. The worst part is having to hear about how my grandma is being lumped in with his. Newsflash for these commentators "not my grandma!"

[no_more_bush]

Oprah attended from 1984-1986. From what I've read, she won't discuss why she left.

Interesting, obviously Oprah understood what kind of Church this was and rejected its aggressively hateful tone -- I think it's really bizarre that Obama didn't.

[leahchamblee]

that's the attitude we need!:D

not while Obama's bus is stuck going back and forth over his grandma! the GOP's bus won't be big enough....Monster wheel GOP bus?

[Joe from WI]

My understanding is also that Oprah left the church.

It's funny. I'm sure Oprah left the church because she knew it didn't make good business sense for her to be a member there seeing as how the white women of America had embraced her the way they did.

Obama, on the hand, stayed with the church because being the opportunist he is, it helped him gain credibility and popularity with the black community which he needed to help advance his political career.
(I'm the queen of loooong sentences! Sorry)

I can tell you this : BO stayed in the church for these reason (s).

1) He needs the AA voters (ulterior motive)
2) He belives in Wright (ie. he shares in his anti-american hate).
3) All the above.

[MarkMiller]

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i228/webboyxy/ThrowGrandmaUndertheTrain.jpg

[foreigner4hillary]

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i228/webboyxy/ThrowGrandmaUndertheTrain.jpg

OH MY GOODNESS!!!!

I LOLED AND I ROFLED!!!!


Hahahahhahaaaa...I'm still chuckling...that granny sure looks scared!

[MarkMiller]

OH MY GOODNESS!!!!

I LOLED AND I ROFLED!!!!


Hahahahhahaaaa...I'm still chuckling...that granny sure looks scared!

We gotta have a good laugh every now and then! ;)

[leahchamblee]

oh man that is hilarious.

[navyvet48]

Actually as I have posted elsewhere 2 years ago in an interview, Obama admitted that he was where he was today because of his race. I have been unable to find the article again but it has a picture of him, MO and their two kids. It was in a newspaper. I can't find the article now.

[leahchamblee]

Actually as I have posted elsewhere 2 years ago in an interview, Obama admitted that he was where he was today because of his race. I have been unable to find the article again but it has a picture of him, MO and their two kids. It was in a newspaper. I can't find the article now.

I believe you are referring to a speech that he gave the excerpt is:

I SHOULD NOT BE HERE TODAY. I SHOULD NOT BE HERE TODAY. I WAS NOT BORN INTO MONEY OR STATUS. I WAS BORN TO A TEENAGE MOM IN HAWAII. MY FATHER LEFT US WHEN I WAS 2. BUT MY FAMILY GAVE ME LOVE, THEY GAVE ME AN EDUCATION, AND MOST OF ALL, THEY GAVE ME HOPE. HOPE THAT IN AMERICA NO DREAM IS BEYOND OUR GRASP. IF WE REACH FOR IT AND WORK FOR IT AND FIGHT FOR IT.


GEOGRAPHIC: United States

LOAD-DATE: February 14, 2008

STATION: 4 KRON
SAN FRANCISCO, CA

DOCUMENT-TYPE: Television

PUBLICATION-TYPE: Transcript

[Ijane]

Maybe he has desided it isnt worth the presidency to not speak the truth. maybe he's had enouph. So he changed his mind and said what he felt instead of what we want to hear.


This is the whole issue. Obama cleverly changes his face for which ever group he's trying to appeal to at the momment. The reason this is so important is because he's running a campaign based on Change you can believe in". He's supposed to be the young fresh politician with no hidden agendas. The Honest Abe man that America's youth is hungry for.

But he's not! He's far from an honest person. He talks out of both sides of his mouth just to please people. It's why we hardly know what any of his positions are.

Last Friday he said he never knew about Wright's racist sermons. He was never in the church to hear one. Then yesterday during his speech he said that yes he knew about Wright's racist sermons. It took Obama about 6 days to decide what's the best political strategy he should take. Admit he knew or keep denying. So 6 days later he admitts he knew. Not one word from the media about it! No one's asked why he didn't just say that right from the beginning. It's not ok.

[BooskerD]

I found it odd that the media hasn't brought up the fact that Obama apparently lied about being unaware of the types of comments that fly around his church's pulpit on Sunday mornings. Yesterday, it seems he's perfectly aware.

Throwing Grandma under the bus was a bad idea, too. It won't sit well with women, anyway. I haven't read his books, but from what I understand, he's resentful and dismissive of his white mother and grandparents. The people who were there for him. No, it's his father who captures his imagination- the man who bailed on him when he was a baby.

I was listening to NPR this morning and many black people interviewed were scrambling to say that what was preached at Obama's church is not really that extreme, that it's a common thing. So...most blacks, no matter how affluent and educated they are enjoy listening to hate speech on Sunday mornings? I don't know what to think any more. Can any African American posters verify this?

[Amy Dugan]

BLATANT LIAR!

March 14, 2008 Fox interview Obama said: "the sermons now sparking controversy didn’t resemble the sermons he remembers from Wright, which, Obama said, stuck to messages of faith, values and helping people in the community." Asked if he knew that these controversial statements were made, would he quit the church? Obama said: "Yes if I thought that was the repeated tenor of the church then I wouldn’t feel comfortable, but frankly that has not been my experience at Trinity United Church of Christ.

March 18: Obama said: "He had sat in church and heard his former minister make controversial remarks.

"Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely -- just as I'm sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed."

The remarks that caused the most recent firestorm "were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity," Obama said.


This flip flopping , and sayng anything to get elected, sounds like what he accuses other politicians in Washington of doing, including Hillary Clinton.
THIS DOES NOT SOUND LIKE POSITIVE CHANGE TO ME!

[leahchamblee]

If that is true, hate on Sundays, what happens in school? Is it federally funded? Are we teaching racial hatred of White's by Black's in schools as well? If it is this acceptable and this commonplace, does that make it right?

I think roles have truly reversed, and where Obama and his pastor see themselves is on the parapet of where those who thought themselves better than another race were during the 1800s and early 1900s. Perhaps it is time that something was done to ensure that all races including blacks have a comprehensive History taught in their schools. Or is this something that whites are being taught as well, this retribution of whites by god? Personally I'm not all that into paying for what someone else's ancestors did.

The flippancy and disconcern shown by the media for Obama's apparent unconcern over the welfare of those in America who are white, and um not sure what they teach in Obama's privileged school but in real life, whites have had generational poverty as well that is unsurmountable to overcome, and remains, predominately in rural areas. How many generationally poor whites have the opportunities that Obama has had? I have read on blogs how Obama should be a history teacher, and I think, is this what history teachers teach now? All whites done this and now they gotta pay? I feel that poor white American's have paid enough for what is an economic struggle. Race is embedded in the US because of the newness of our country and the way that the country was established. What's the solution? put all whitey's on a boat and ship us back to where? most whites are as racially diverse as Obama, probably moreso than he is, and if we are forced to go, why does Obama think that blacks are entitled to a land that was kept in safe keeping by American Indians? Blacks, Chinese, Arabs, Hispanics, Europeans, Irish, Scots, Russians, Eastern Europeans, Indians, Japanese, etc. are all interlopers on a land that originated with American Indians, so in this retribution plan that his spiritual adviser has all mapped out, where does fairness truly end and begin? Will women be considered equal in this new order or will we be put behind doors and kept mute as Obama's females are kept mute? Or are American Indians also part of the plan to establish what? What is the point of this black supremest babble? Why am I forced to accept it as valid because it's black but discount the same invectives from the white hoods? Where is the line drawn? When whites are absorbed into the population will their heritage be punished as it was in Africa? Will Obama's great grandchildren be hunted down for being part white? When in the holy wide hell does it stop. When do we become American's and stop blaming folks for what a minority of whites did well before my parents were even born. well before my family was even considered white.

[Dendy]

Obama played upon white American guild to redeem a revolting reverend.

[hillary1]

listening to a caller on the radio last evening, and identifying herself as an black american, she was appalled at obama's speech citing she has never attended a congregation of black people where comments such as wright's were ever preached, she went on to state obama is citing racial discord amongst the blacks with his approval of this pastor

all of a sudden they are coming out of the woodwork as if this racist hatred were part of the everyday ritual in black churches, so far i have not heard anyone cite that

if one does not agree with one's church rulings or teachings, such as a cult, such as drinking the koolaid, then one leaves, unless one wishes to stay because they believe in the rhetoric, the hate message that is being delivered, as mr.obama has shown

if i used inflammed language full of hate, and obscenties to those in my company time and time again, either they would leave my side or they would stay depending on how they approved of the message

if one stays, you approve, it is very simple

obama stayed, i don't care if wright married his mother, the writing on the wall is quite simple, the company he keeps tells what he is all about, the wrights, the rezko's, the ayers, these are not people of ethics, they are full of hate and wrongdoings, and mr.obama chooses to stay with and call these people his "FRIENDS"

REMEMBER! ONCE IN THE WHITEHOUSE, HE WILL TURN THIS COUNTRY INTO A HAVEN OF HATE, AND WELFARE IMO BECAUSE OF HIS ALLIGENCE TO THOSE WHO HAVE SHOWN US ALREADY THEY CANNOT FORGIVE, NOR FORGET, WHEN WHITES ARE AFRAID, AS I HAVE READ IN SOME POSTS, TO SUPPORT HILLARY IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE PREDOMINATELY BLACK, IN FEAR THEY MAY DO HARM TO THEM, OBAMA'S RACIST PASTOR IS ONLY FUELING THE FIRE MORE, AND WITH THIS IN MIND, THIS RACE HAS BECOME A RACE OF FEAR, WHICH MR.OBAMA HAS PERPETUATED

HILLARY OR MCCAIN, NOT OBAMA

[foreigner4hillary]

Say..does anyone have his book..something about his father's dream? I just picked this up on a message board and it sounds like an interesting article for the news. Can anyone verify it?

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Worse, apparently Obama doesn't remember the account he wrote of his grandmothers encounter about a "large man blocking her" while she was waiting for a bus. His own words say he was harrassing her and she felt he may have hurt her if the bus hadn't pulled up. She never told Obama the man "happened" to be black. He later learned this from his Grandfather! READ PAGE 88 OF HIS BOOK DREAMS!!! Apparently Obama thinks Americans are so stupid we won't "pick" up on his discrepancy! 1st, she "never told him the man was black" and 2nd, there's a big difference between being afraid of "black men she passed on the street" and a man (who happened to be black that was harrassing her---& "blocking her").

[xfiles]

Obama publically used his poor grandmother and her private utterances to try to pander to the white vote and to compare her to (there is no comparision) to Wright.

It shows you he will betray confidenced (his grandmother's) to further himself politically.

This is no person qulified for the presidency. He will be telling tales out of school to protect his behind. Not the qualities we want for president!

[tcbwriter]

Gee did he think this wouldn't matter and that one speech would wipe away a 20 year choice on his part. The guy keeps lying. Sexism not a surprise. He kept his mouth shut the whole time the sexist press piloried Hillary because it wasn't to his advantage.

Thank GOD there is no primary for a month and this story won't go away. I left white evangelical churches when I heard them spouting bigotted remarks and hatred. I think it was expedient for Obama to be part of that church. I think he uses everything to promote himself.

He has divided the party and how dare he give us a lecture on how to get past things when he and his wife have shown themselves incapable of doing the same.

Your deeds are catching up with you sir.
He also go rid of Samantha Powers (the one who called Hillary a monster - and said his plan to get us out of Iraq was just a bunch of campaign b.s.) but hung on to Austan Goolsbee, his top advisor who told the Canadians that he wasn't really going to change NAFTA.

To point out the obvious - Powers is a WOMAN and Goolsbee is a MAN.

[tcbwriter]

After hearing parts of his speech, played for the umpteenth time by a news show, they interviewed another black minister. He said this was the norm in black churches, etc. as we've heard from others.

But one thing that struck me is the guy in one breath was talking about the hope Obama brings to us and how he will unify the country and in the other he was talking about how it's the norm for a preacher to rile up the crowd by reminding them of how badly they and their ancestors have been treated by "white people". Is that what they call hope? Doesn't sound very hope-inspiring to me.

Rev. Martin Luther King spoke of hope (I have a Dream) and unity. Maybe I missed it but I don't recall hearing that he preached about how bad another ethnic group was and that people should hate them for it.

You know, I think women have treated pretty damn badly - since the beginning of time. Women are still being sold into slavery, still being forced into prostitution and still being paid less than men.

Black men were "granted" the right to vote in in 1870- shortly after the end of the Civil War, whereas women weren't allowed to vote until 1920.

LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act into law in 1964. The Equal Rights (for women) Amendment still has not passed to this day.

Now I'm not trying to say that African Americans were not mistreated or that many don't continue to suffer today. That's a real problem. A problem, by the way, that the Clintons have done many things to try to rectify. What I am trying to say is that I am unaware of any womens-only churches, let alone some where women ministers remind their congregation of how badly they've been treated over the centuries and that men are responsible.

[Ijane]

and identifying herself as an black american, she was appalled at obama's speech citing she has never attended a congregation of black people where comments such as wright's were ever preached, she went on to state obama is citing racial discord amongst the blacks with his approval of this pastor


Obama is going down in history for being the most polarizing figure in America. This man gets the award!

Obama the man who pitted Democrat against Democrat, Democrats against woman, White people against black people, black people against black people...

...Hell, the Republican's haven't even begun their media led assault on "Obama the Socialist" ....when that one happens (and it will!!) we'll add Democrats and Republican's against socialists, to Obama's long list of polarizing achievements.

[CQ4Hillary]

It seems to me there are so many things people have until now, ignored. Many of the posts here have pointed out reasons this speech has ably hurt BO in the long run.

He didn't apologize

He denounced the statements NOT Rev Wright

He sat in that church for 20 years

He called his grandma a racist and sullied her after she raised him

He CONSTANTLY changes his stories/reactions to accusations according to how much information is out at the time. In other words he admitts to only what he is forced to and it changes as the truth is dicovered and pressure increases. Damage Control. (Next thing you know he'll say something like "I don't recall." sound familliar?)

He claims the high ground while actually capitalizing on the exact opposite. Hiding behind his fluffy, feel good (albiet well written and delivered with flair) but essentially empty speeches he is relying on a campaign advisor who is an advertising executive to "gloss over" any issues of concern all the while "branding" BO into the public as the "best choice" as told to them. I guess they think it's like Pepsi or Coke and they figure whoever out spins the other wins the market share.

I ask you what's wrong with that? We are supposed to choose the person who is best qualified to run the country. Shouldn't their message be geared toward convincing voters that he is that person? Or just the guy who has the best spin, the best, hippest supporters, (Yeah right) and the empty message that just replays over and over in your mind like a jingle?

PLEASE! People need to wake up and quick! I think this speech has done more toward that end so far than any of the other efforts combined. The best part is he did it to himself! HE chose to stay in that church. HE chose to ignore the problem until it blew up in his face. HE chose to lie and then to change the story as the facts were brought out leaving him no choice.

Until now I have feared Hillary would be forced to put him on the ticket to unite the party. At this point if this story stays in the forefront and others are given more media scrutiny then people will shift their loyalty away from BO on their own and not be forced to accept Hillary. They will embrace her seeing her strengths. This could be good for the party and the GE because it will speed the healing process between the campaigns.

We need to keep pressure on the media and their sponsors. Keep this story alive and BO's supporters will start deserting like rats from a sinking ship! Best of all it is HIS OWN FAULT!

I have read and heard the jerks blaming this on the Clinton's as have many of you I'm sure. As if they chose his church, told him to stay there 20 years, told him to lie about it in the press and NOT to apologise or denounce the MAN who made these remarks! I'm quite sure this is the fault of Senator Obama himself and his poor judgement to say the very least!

CQ

Sorry this post is so long! :o:p

[lorieaselin]

Hate speech against non-blacks, Jews, women, and America, etc., will definitely NOT unify this country. DUH!!!!!

[CQ4Hillary]

Hate speech against non-blacks, Jews, women, and America, etc., will definitely NOT unify this country. DUH!!!!!

Hate speech against anybody will only divide and never unify.

Seriously I equate this Rev. Jeramiah Wright with that crazy, white supremist, idiot preacher in Kansas who protests at the funerals of US soldiers with signs saying the US caused 911 by allowing homosexuality to exist. (As if th US in all it's power could ever make it cease to exist HA!) It's just as wrong and just as bigoted! There are a lot of hate-preachers out there in the world and they are ALL wrong and should be ignored and denounced by society.

CQ

[hipelayne]

All future politician wannabes, take notes! You can lie, cheat and steal and make it to the White House, but if you disrespect your granny, you can say bye-bye to your political career!! :eek:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=obama+compares+grandmother+to+wright

You guys are cracking me up!

[RayinAR]

If Granny is living, she would about 86 years of age.

If granny is living she would be 90 this year.

[wasGOPnowInd]

to the song, "Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer"

anyone else want to give this a try?