NOT a done deal. Convention NOT open. Please read: The Most Ridiculous Arguments Yet Against a True Convention" (Heidi)

[dianawithalittled]

If you're celebrating, you've been had. The Obama team, the media, and the DNC are counting on folks not knowing that *The Plan* is to have a pre-determined outcome at the convention. And Hillary Clinton's "votes" are just symbolic.

Get real.
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"...it is quite clear that as of this writing, the DNCC is still assuming that the predetermined outcome is firmly assured. Over on their website, they continue to state under the banner, INVESCO Field at Mile High Community Credentials, that on the fourth day of the convention we can "[s]ee Senator Barack Obama accept the Democratic nomination for President." So either the DNCC knows quite well that the roll call vote announced Thursday is a sham or they are not being updated by the powers-that-be that they might want to update their website. I am pretty sure the problem is not the latter one."

http://heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/

[Johnf]

If you're celebrating, you've been had. The Obama team, the media, and the DNC are counting on folks not knowing that *The Plan* is to have a pre-determined outcome at the convention. And Hillary Clinton's "votes" are just symbolic.

Get real.
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"...it is quite clear that as of this writing, the DNCC is still assuming that the predetermined outcome is firmly assured. Over on their website, they continue to state under the banner, INVESCO Field at Mile High Community Credentials, that on the fourth day of the convention we can "[s]ee Senator Barack Obama accept the Democratic nomination for President." So either the DNCC knows quite well that the roll call vote announced Thursday is a sham or they are not being updated by the powers-that-be that they might want to update their website. I am pretty sure the problem is not the latter one."

http://heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/

Then, let's be one step ahead of them, and get it out to everyone. Nothing better than to spoil their party plans.

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[eyedoc333]

Their arrogance knows no bounds.

[writerchick]

Thanks for the email addresses. This is an outrage - the convention is simply one big infomercial to them, they could care less about democracy.

Why bother even having a vote? Next time they should just rent out a stadium randomly and make televised speeches for a few days. Oh, I guess no one would come - and no one would watch. It's mindnumbing, these buffoons think the convention's purpose is simply an infomerical to sell the candidate to the American public - rather than it's purpose to actually elect the candidate!

It's like having the Olympics coverage only be the commentary and the medal ceremonies without the races!

[foxyladi]

Their arrogance knows no bounds.

BUT BUT BUT THERE COULD BE AN UPSET IN THEIR
PLANS
WE GOT OUR PLANS
A OR B

[Tea toaD]

If you're celebrating, you've been had. The Obama team, the media, and the DNC are counting on folks not knowing that *The Plan* is to have a pre-determined outcome at the convention. And Hillary Clinton's "votes" are just symbolic.

Get real.
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"...it is quite clear that as of this writing, the DNCC is still assuming that the predetermined outcome is firmly assured. Over on their website, they continue to state under the banner, INVESCO Field at Mile High Community Credentials, that on the fourth day of the convention we can "[s]ee Senator Barack Obama accept the Democratic nomination for President." So either the DNCC knows quite well that the roll call vote announced Thursday is a sham or they are not being updated by the powers-that-be that they might want to update their website. I am pretty sure the problem is not the latter one."

http://heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/


I didn't expect them to change anything even with the announcement that Hillary's name will put into nomination. I don't expect them to do anything positive or show her as being equal. This is way too much to ask of them. I sure don't know what to expect at the convention from the delegates or SD's but most everyone involved with PUMA is trying in everyway they can to insure it's legit. Isn't that all we can do? I'm not naive enough to know this is in all probability a show for unity. I am torn between positive and negative thoughts until the convention unfolds and the outcome is revealed. :confused:

[dianawithalittled]

I'm feeling a sense of urgency, and frankly hope that Heidi and Marc can provide a hint of guidance. But, I don't think we can afford to just let things play out. As it stands, it looks like the convention vote will be just as rigged as the primaries have been so far.

My suggestion to everyone is to turn up the pressure on the delegates and superdelegates from your state. Be polite, and firm. We want a true and honest convention, and will not accept anything less.

[Leekosagrios]

NOw I am fearful that Hillary's roll call will be manipulated by the DNC and they might try to humiliate her during te convention by allowing very few Clinton delegates vote for her. They might want to show that as a sign of unity with a few dissenters here and there. They' betrayed Hillary and us many times, and they won't stop.

[ILBlue]

All you have to do is listen to the news on the radio and in print to know it's all show.

They have been spinning this as : Obama Can't Control Hillary
The Horrible Clinton's are IN Control

It's all to make the low information , bitter , white folks think that the Convention is on the UP AND UP. The Voting by the delegates will be legit.

And if you question them, what do they say?

Conventions are for show , things like a undeternimed outcome are so 20 yrs ago. Just not done anymore . Get with the times.

Geesh..................:mad:

[Alessandro Machi]

Even if they continue the charade to the end, whatever the vote is, if it doesn't result in Hillary Clinton getting the nomination, at the very least, it will show the fraud and rotten head syndrom of the D.N.C.

Here are the truths...

Popular Vote not counting Florida, Michigan, or the Caucuses...

Barack Obama 50%
Hillary Clinton 49.99%

That is the ONLY NON CAUCUS VICTORY THAT Barack Obama can pin his hopes on...

Hillary Clinton won 40 more congressional districts overall,
Hillary Clinton won 27 more delegates in all of the primary states (not counting Florida or Michigan),
Hillary Clinton had 100 more super delegates than Barack Obama early on in the race,

how does Barack Obama gain his 100 super delegate lead during the time that Hillary Clinton was winning 8 out of the last 10 elections and winning the popular vote by a 53%-47% margin???? Whenever a super delegate decides to cast their vote, shouldn't it be either the candidate that is winning at that time, or the one who is seen as the better candidate?

Barack Obama received super delegate votes simply because he was perceived as winning.

[dianawithalittled]

NOw I am fearful that Hillary's roll call will be manipulated by the DNC and they might try to humiliate her during te convention by allowing very few Clinton delegates vote for her. They might want to show that as a sign of unity with a few dissenters here and there. They' betrayed Hillary and us many times, and they won't stop.

That is exactly *The Plan*, and even Hillary refers to it in the video from a couple of weeks ago. Listen carefully toward the middle, when someone asks her if it's normal for all these negotiations to be going on. She re-directs the answer to how she acted sooner than anyone in history to support Obama. Then she talks about *The Plan*...

They've gotten to her...

Watch:
YouTube - Hillary & the ballot

[xfiles]

Oh, I've been posting everywhere that I think the outcome is predetermined like the RBC vote and outcome.

All we can do is keep up the pressure and hope some delegates are telling the DNC they'll vote for Obama when they really will vote for Clinton.

We could suggest to them that is a possibility to get the DNC off their backs.

[SusanfromPA]

I know there is still an extreme amount of work to do and we can't let our guard down, but we also can't buy into the Democratic facade.

The Dem leaders are still acting like Obama is a sure thing because they HAVE to. They are in their own form of free fall and if they were to admit Obama's nomination was in trouble any remaining confidence in him by the delegates would be out the window.

The birth certificate questions swirling around him are damaging. The books in cluding Obama Nation are raising more questions. We are still being heard.

The Dems are under pressure and are getting sloppy. Deans "white party" comment yesterday was about as foolish as they come. The Republicans are at the ready to pounce on these missteps which will make the Dems even more flustered than they already are.



Stay focused on the positive, but don't take your eyes off the enemy and always work beyond expectations to make sure plan A happens.

[neophyter]

I think the convention will be a 'show' with a predetermined outcome. I also think that 'most' people who are older than 25 know this. The Dems are trying to indoctrinate young voters that this is the way things happen so they won't question it in the future.

I remember way back that someone said, it doesn't matter if we win.. we want to change the party's direction.

Then yesterday I heard that Obama wasn't going to ask for income taxes from lower income blacks and minorities. Now why do you think they will vote for him? That message is out there in 'the community'. It's not in Obama's speeches.... yet!

Obama is going after specific groups... and we're one of them!!! :eek:

[SusanfromPA]

I think the convention will be a 'show' with a predetermined outcome. I also think that 'most' people who are older than 25 know this. The Dems are trying to indoctrinate young voters that this is the way things happen so they won't question it in the future.

I remember way back that someone said, it doesn't matter if we win.. we want to change the party's direction.

Then yesterday I heard that Obama wasn't going to ask for income taxes from lower income blacks and minorities. Now why do you think they will vote for him? That message is out there in 'the community'. It's not in Obama's speeches.... yet!

Obama is going after specific groups... and we're one of them!!! :eek:


I agree that he is targeting specific groups, but the powers that be don't care about these groups - These are not the ones that will bring in the money. If Obama panders to the low income groups too much the upper mobile supports aren't going to continue with as much support because they are not going to want to pay the bill for the free ride some would be getting from Obama.

[dianawithalittled]

Bump!

[dianawithalittled]

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[dianawithalittled]

Please, everybody, get yourselves informed.
Read Heidi Li's and Marc Rubin's posts. Get the real story. Pass it on.

[santafegal]

If anything, I am spurred to action by this week's events. I am geared up for the final push.

[hipelayne]

I think the convention will be a 'show' with a predetermined outcome. I also think that 'most' people who are older than 25 know this. The Dems are trying to indoctrinate young voters that this is the way things happen so they won't question it in the future.

I remember way back that someone said, it doesn't matter if we win.. we want to change the party's direction.

Then yesterday I heard that Obama wasn't going to ask for income taxes from lower income blacks and minorities. Now why do you think they will vote for him? That message is out there in 'the community'. It's not in Obama's speeches.... yet!

Obama is going after specific groups... and we're one of them!!! :eek:


Things that make you go "hmmmmm..... " do you think he's just going after their votes? BHO is nothing but a politician in an expensive empty suit!

[GaGirl]

NOw I am fearful that Hillary's roll call will be manipulated by the DNC and they might try to humiliate her during te convention by allowing very few Clinton delegates vote for her. They might want to show that as a sign of unity with a few dissenters here and there. They' betrayed Hillary and us many times, and they won't stop.


I worry about this too, but if Hillary is duped at the convention and treated badly, it will just get us even madder. If Obama is the nominee, we will ramp up even more against Obama immediately after the convention. If Obama is the nominee, we will put all the great organization and energy we've mustered into making sure Obama is NOT the one who wins in November.

The DNC knows we are for real and a real threat to Obama's success. He will fail and we will be a part of his failure. Treating Hillary badly at the convention makes no sense. If the DNC is that stupid [and they are], they can't say they weren't warned.

Those people who have not been ready to say they will vote Republican in November may be ready to do so after a Democratic convention that is as bad as we all fear it will be.

[jonesstring]

I, too, think that the DNC and 'others' have predetermined what will supposedly take place at the convention, but for some reason I can't seem to lose the feeling that Hillary and Bill won't take any truly insulting or abusive behavior toward her without giving something back in return. I know that they will expect exactly what we all expect to happen, and I can't believe that they don't have a plan of their own in place! At least I'm praying they do. Bill has already reached the top of the pennacle-twice-so he has his history behind him. I can't see him not saying something in her defense-and to h*ll with the consequences! Just my opinion though-or wishful thinking.

[Folamix]

BUT BUT BUT THERE COULD BE AN UPSET IN THEIR
PLANS
WE GOT OUR PLANS
A OR B

Oh there will be an upset, one way or another

[Tom Terrific]

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

We needn't worry about secret deals and smoke-filled rooms. These are beyond our control. What's important is that the delegates and superdelegates have the power to take this convention away from Obama. That is where we should be bending all our thought and all our effort.

If we win, we win. If we lose, we lose, and go to plan B ... and many other plans, as we fight to take our country back from the depraved and degenerate tyrants who have stolen it from us.

Please, let's forget about what we can't know, can't see, can't do. Let's focus on what we can.

[Karen Keefe]

Hillary did the right thing by endorsing BO earlier than any "losing" primary candidate in history, playing loyal Democrat all the way through, speaking of herself as a middle class American with American roots and values, urging voters and DNC to honor the core Democractic principles of one person, one vote and count every vote fairly, winning the states Dems need to win in November, showing WHO SHE IS.

She did her job. She can do no more. The DNC, party leaders, delegates and media have tried to annihilate her for years, and here she sits, the true winner of the election, especially when the fraudulant votes/caucuses are dismissed. She is a pragmatic, compassionate, experienced, savvy politician who has educated and inspired millions of voters in this "democratic" process.

I think she will go to the convention, endorse BO again with the full knowledge that he is incompetent, inexperienced, immoral, ignorant, or in her word, "unelectable," play the party game again, and then watch BO go down in flames over time. She is so ahead of the curve that it will take months, years, decades before lesser minds admit she was right and maybe even apologize for not backing her or speaking up against the relentless misogyny and racism hurled at her day after day. She'll live through the BO coronation. Stronger than ever.

Hillary will rise again. Count on it.