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G4Hillary
03-19-2008, 02:46 PM
They are asking McCain some questions about it.

G4Hillary
03-19-2008, 02:47 PM
They say this is going to lose the jewish vote, catholic vote, and that this is really good for republicans.

G4Hillary
03-19-2008, 02:48 PM
They are saying that Obama would have a harder time to beat McCain than Hillary.

G4Hillary
03-19-2008, 02:49 PM
They say he made a mistake not talking about the story early on.

The dem on the show is using that same line "Is America now ready". The old BS Obama campaign line.

lucky-ann
03-19-2008, 02:49 PM
They are saying that Obama would have a harder time to beat McCain than Hillary.

hehe:p

G4Hillary
03-19-2008, 02:51 PM
McCain said he would not have attended a church like that.

The republican said that Obama's problems will be the easier to exploit for the repubs than Hillarys.

LisaW
03-19-2008, 02:51 PM
On Fox they also just had a democratic guy on there and he said that when Obama gave that speech yesterday he showed that he is ready to be president. How can people be so blind and so gullible? Makes me sick!!!!

G4Hillary
03-19-2008, 02:53 PM
On Fox they also just had a democratic guy on there and he said that when Obama gave that speech yesterday he showed that he is ready to be president. How can people be so blind and so gullible? Makes me sick!!!!

That guy was an Obamabot. I wonder how he broke into Fox. hehe Anyways he's a big minority there.

lucky-ann
03-19-2008, 02:53 PM
That guy was an Obamabot. I wonder how he broke into Fox. hehe Anyways he's a big minority there.

lol:D

tommy
03-19-2008, 02:56 PM
On Fox they also just had a democratic guy on there and he said that when Obama gave that speech yesterday he showed that he is ready to be president. How can people be so blind and so gullible? Makes me sick!!!!

They're still in their dreams of hope. Some are already awaken. Some just need to be slapped. :D

movingtous
03-19-2008, 02:58 PM
Hannity supposedly broke the story, in 2007. He's promising more, about the trip that Farrakhan and wright took to visit Kadafi. Does anyone know about that one, yet?

CGP
03-19-2008, 02:58 PM
Obama needs to step down and now let Hillary get on with the job of taking on the GOP. He is causing harm by staying in the race. He is engaging in divisive politics.

Peppermint Patty
03-19-2008, 03:01 PM
I never thought I'd say this, but thank God for Fox News staying with the story.

I was thinking about this last night. It seems the pundits are saying that it's okay for blacks to spew that kind of hate because they have been so wronged in the past. I'm just boiling it down to that... but my point here is this. No, they shouldn't be allowed to think that way because then there will never be a healing in this country if we continue to vilify one another with WORDS!!! And insults.

If McCain had a minister videotaped spewing forth hateful things about the black community, about crime, unwed mothers, etc. and had been listening to that stuff for 20 years, he would be TOAST in a nano second. There would be no great speech about unifying the races! He would be packed off to oblivion and rightly so.

So why this allowance for NObama? I can't believe this.

G4Hillary
03-19-2008, 03:01 PM
Hannity supposedly broke the story, in 2007. He's promising more, about the trip that Farrakhan and wright took to visit Kadafi. Does anyone know about that one, yet?

I really really want to see that story! Does anyone know when it will be on???

jgilmore
03-19-2008, 03:01 PM
Murray, you are so right.

We need to get the focus off McCain vs. Obama and onto Hillary vs. MCain.

If I hear this guy say he opposed this war from the start one more time I think I will scream.

tommy
03-19-2008, 03:02 PM
Obama needs to step down and now let Hillary get on with the job of taking on the GOP. He is causing harm by staying in the race. He is engaging in divisive politics.

thats quite ironic when weeks ago, everyone wanted hillary to step down...now obama gotta step down if the democrats want to win! :D

G4Hillary
03-19-2008, 03:03 PM
They are asking about whether there can be more comments by Obama pastor.

LisaW
03-19-2008, 03:04 PM
lol:D

Yes, you are right! I work at home so I have the TV on all day and I now only watch Fox, however, they seem to have more Obama supporters than Hillary supporters on. I think the HRC campaign should come on the shows more often to take up for her.

Earlier today they had a guy from the Judicial Watch on talking about the release of her First Lady documents. He was making claims about her. I won't repeat what he said here but he is trying to stir up something!

Area504
03-19-2008, 03:06 PM
I've spent the morning on another political board, arguing with an Obamaniac about whether Wright's remarks were bigoted (the Obamaton kept demanding that I show him the "context" in which the remarks were made, or else "we" would have to conclude that the jury is still out).

That Kool aid must have been made really strong yesterday morning!!!

G4Hillary
03-19-2008, 03:08 PM
They need to find Obama video in the pews.

Area504
03-19-2008, 03:09 PM
They need to find Obama video in the pews.
Even that won't matter to his hard-core supporters. They are under some very strong hypnotic spell!!

movingtous
03-19-2008, 03:12 PM
What I found the most offensive and appalling was the parishioners' response to Wright! They were nodding, clapping, and hooting in agreement to his America bashing!

LisaW
03-19-2008, 03:14 PM
They need to find Obama video in the pews.

I am hoping and praying!

You know there is one video where the Rev says "there's a man here today who can turn this country around". It doesn't show Obama in the pew but Obama is obviously the person the Rev is talking about. The other night some of the bloggers for HRC were saying that this specific video was disappearing off Utube because it is evidence that Obama was sitting in the pew during that speech. I might be able to find it again. I will look.

Of course they will say that we cannot prove who the paster was referring to, but I think people with stable minds will know he was talking about Obama.

lucky-ann
03-19-2008, 03:16 PM
however, they seem to have more Obama supporters than Hillary supporters on.

yes, but they are talking all the time about obamas pastor, so that they need obama supporters, not hillary supporters, to appear "fair and balanced" (sort of)

emmyCA
03-19-2008, 03:32 PM
I love fox!!!!:D:D:D:D

This will be continuing a HOT issue....Obama cannot burry it unless he shuts down that racist church because it has served a wrong purpose, unless he suguests IRS to investigate on that church for claiming as non-profit org but serves as a political party. He needs to say that he think he is is wrong and Wright is wrong and that both Wright and him should appologize black, white and all American people. He needs to say that he won't never go to that church again, he won't associate with Wright any more if Wright desn't appologize...Can Obama do it???? If he does, he will lost support from a lot of black voters, but that is the only solution he has to take to gain trust back from American people and to stand tall as a candidate for U.S President.

memphis
03-19-2008, 03:40 PM
I love fox!!!!:D:D:D:D

This will be continuing a HOT issue....Obama cannot burry it unless he shuts down that racist church because it has served a wrong purpose, unless he suguests IRS to investigate on that church for claiming as non-profit org but serves as a political party. He needs to say that he think he is is wrong and Wright is wrong and that both Wright and him should appologize black, white and all American people. He needs to say that he won't never go to that church again, he won't associate with Wright any more if Wright desn't appologize...Can Obama do it???? If he does, he will lost support from a lot of black voters, but that is the only solution he has to take to gain trust back from American people and to stand tall as a candidate for U.S President.

And he should say 'God Bless America'.

CGP
03-19-2008, 03:50 PM
Yes, you are right! I work at home so I have the TV on all day and I now only watch Fox, however, they seem to have more Obama supporters than Hillary supporters on. I think the HRC campaign should come on the shows more often to take up for her.

Earlier today they had a guy from the Judicial Watch on talking about the release of her First Lady documents. He was making claims about her. I won't repeat what he said here but he is trying to stir up something!

Lisa - given that Fox is a right wing, GOP favored station, they are always in it for whatever benefits the GOP. I dont think Fox are doing Hillary any special favors by critiquing Obama and now we see they are going after the First Lady files which is completely ridiculous. The only reason some Dems are watching Fox is because it is the ONLY channel which is openling scrutinizing Obama - no other stations are so for that reason Fox is attracting some new viewers - momentarily - once Hillary is the nominee, Fox will be back being a major media enemy as they will then turn their attention to crucifying Hillary!

G4Hillary
03-19-2008, 04:16 PM
I am hoping and praying!

You know there is one video where the Rev says "there's a man here today who can turn this country around". It doesn't show Obama in the pew but Obama is obviously the person the Rev is talking about. The other night some of the bloggers for HRC were saying that this specific video was disappearing off Utube because it is evidence that Obama was sitting in the pew during that speech. I might be able to find it again. I will look.

Of course they will say that we cannot prove who the paster was referring to, but I think people with stable minds will know he was talking about Obama.

You send this to O'Reilly. There is a 50% chance he plays it.

wwendiep
03-19-2008, 04:17 PM
I Think They Released These Tapes Now ,because The Obama Camp Could Have Compared Him To Alot Of The Right Wing Ministers Involved With The Republican Party..then He Could Have Accused Them Of Racial Issues..these Republicans Are Always 3 Steps Ahead Of Deocrats,when It Comes To Campaigns. The Problem The Republicans Have With Hillary Is Eveytime They Attack Her She Get S Stronger.

mrkalbo
03-19-2008, 04:19 PM
Obama needs to step down and now let Hillary get on with the job of taking on the GOP. He is causing harm by staying in the race. He is engaging in divisive politics.

I just emailed this morning David Pfoufe (whatever his last name) an Obama diehard about this matter. I think we need to start convincing this surrogates by emailing them to realize the damaged to BO on this issue. We also need to start posting on their website about the gravity of this issue if ever we can.

He's in a free fall and it will be better for him to quit with dignity now than be clobbered later. After all they're also part of us fighting for the party. Silly as it may sound but I do believe strongly in reconcilliation and the power of persuasion is the key.

hillary1
03-19-2008, 04:28 PM
[QUOTE=Patrice in L.A.;17707]I never thought I'd say this, but thank God for Fox News staying with the story.

I was thinking about this last night. It seems the pundits are saying that it's okay for blacks to spew that kind of hate because they have been so wronged in the past. I'm just boiling it down to that... but my point here is this. No, they shouldn't be allowed to think that way because then there will never be a healing in this country if we continue to vilify one another with WORDS!!! And insults. "

i agree, and let's not forget how many whites who made racial slurs lost their jobs, or were demonized because of it, i am not condoning it, because as you stated they have been wronged in the past, but, to unite we all need to come together, if al sharpton can bring his people to the streets to demonstrate how wrong the words, or episode was, then where are the blacks in condemnation for the words of wright, we cannot divide the house as lincoln stated and expect it to stand

OBAMANATION RESIGN FOR THE GOOD OF THE PEOPLE, ALL THE PEOPLE

YOU ARE NO LEADER, NOR ARE YOU A UNITER, YOU ARE A DIVIDER

hillary1
03-19-2008, 04:37 PM
Yes, you are right! I work at home so I have the TV on all day and I now only watch Fox, however, they seem to have more Obama supporters than Hillary supporters on. I think the HRC campaign should come on the shows more often to take up for her.

Earlier today they had a guy from the Judicial Watch on talking about the release of her First Lady documents. He was making claims about her. I won't repeat what he said here but he is trying to stir up something!

they will work both sides of the aisle now, they will keep obama right where they want him, they won't let up, they'll be reminding people everyday about his exploits, and they will get more on wright, now they will stir the pot again, to see what they can go after hillary with

FOX is republican, they have to show hillary up, they cannot win putting either one on a pedestal

the pa.primary is very important to hillary, because the pubs will start working both democrats, they need to reinforce the republican base and they can only do that by destroying both democrats, and get the independent vote

lanney
03-19-2008, 04:43 PM
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3031317&page=1
Obama: Fire Imus
Obama First White House Contender to Call for Imus' Firing Over Racial Slur

http://www.breitbart.tv/html/64554.html
Obama Flashback: MSNBC Shouldn’t Carry Imus’ ‘Hateful Remarks’

But Obama can't fire his own pastors

Can somebody provide links (yesterday speech) where Obama refused to fire his pastor after racial slurs but happy that Imus should be fired.
If Video are not in youtube, can someone here do this great service.

His daughter can listen hours of Pastor's anti-American and racial slurs but not from Imus

G4Hillary
03-19-2008, 04:44 PM
they will work both sides of the aisle now, they will keep obama right where they want him, they won't let up, they'll be reminding people everyday about his exploits, and they will get more on wright, now they will stir the pot again, to see what they can go after hillary with

FOX is republican, they have to show hillary up, they cannot win putting either one on a pedestal

the pa.primary is very important to hillary, because the pubs will start working both democrats, they need to reinforce the republican base and they can only do that by destroying both democrats, and get the independent vote

This is part of the Republican chaos theory and we are more than happy to play along. It only helps us and once Hillary is the nominee they will be sorry. But for now, I will keep patting them on the back. Good job Fox, Good job Repubs. Keep up the good work.

hillary1
03-19-2008, 04:45 PM
You send this to O'Reilly. There is a 50% chance he plays it.

lastnights news showed obama sitting in the pew, clapping his hands, smiling, and nodding in agreement

he hasn't denied it, and if he did, it would be the same lie as when he stated he was not in attendance when wright made his vicious statements, yesterday he said he was in attendance

THIS IS WHAT WE NEED, OBAMANATION, JUDGEMENT, LEADER, UNITER,

NO, I THINK MORE FLIP FLOPPER, LACK OF JUDGEMENT, DIVIDER, UNABLE TO UNITE ANYONE, ESPECIALLY WITH WRIGHT, AYERS, REZKO, AND I'M SURE HIS TREASURE CHEST IS FULL OF THEM

HILLARY OR MCCAIN

SD
03-19-2008, 04:46 PM
am i the only one who pictures ob being the president and trying to please, everybody? if he is president, will wright, farrakon, ect, just shut up? or will they try to get ob to do things their way? am i naieve? the man scares me to bits.

i would feel exactly the same way if fallwell, pat robertson, or that nut i can't remember his name who has his kids holding signs saying "god hates fags" and that garbage were trying to be president.

hillary has to win. period.

hillary1
03-19-2008, 04:50 PM
You send this to O'Reilly. There is a 50% chance he plays it.

Lisa - given that Fox is a right wing, GOP favored station, they are always in it for whatever benefits the GOP. I dont think Fox are doing Hillary any special favors by critiquing Obama and now we see they are going after the First Lady files which is completely ridiculous. The only reason some Dems are watching Fox is because it is the ONLY channel which is openling scrutinizing Obama - no other stations are so for that reason Fox is attracting some new viewers - momentarily - once Hillary is the nominee, Fox will be back being a major media enemy as they will then turn their attention to crucifying Hillary!

yes you are right, but i listen to conservative talk radio, rush, hannity, monica crowly, laura ingram, they do not let up on him, and many callers dems and pubs do not like obama, and those that did, have changed their minds after all this with wright was exploited

this will continue right down to the convention by the pubs, they will not let up, they will drive the point home till mccain wins the election and drives the dems home, and they just may do it, because the dems will be divided over these happenings

i will not vote obama, again hillary or mccain, and many are doing just that

LisaW
03-19-2008, 04:57 PM
You send this to O'Reilly. There is a 50% chance he plays it.

I just found an article by Fox talking about the statement "there's a man here today who can take this country in a new direction" so they have it, I just wish O'Reilly or Hannity would show the video again and draw attention to what the pastor said. It was said right before he gave one of his sermons, which means that the "man" he was referring to heard that hate-filled sermon.

I am still searching for the video itself. The other night there were several utube videos where Rev. Wright could be heard making the statement about the man being there, but they have been removed. If anyone has purchased the DVD's they should have that sermon.

Here is the article on Fox:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,337308,00.html

foreigner4hillary
03-19-2008, 04:57 PM
Check out this link for more info on the 2007 story. You won't like what you read there.
People need to know what sort of "christian" values obama claims to have!

http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/03/19/the-candidate-and-reverend-wrong/

Patricia GA
03-19-2008, 05:14 PM
I know Fox will focus on Hillary the minute they think Obama has lost his momentum and Hillary has gained strength. (AND SHE WILL!) I know the papers from Hillary's white house years are now released and Fox and the pundits will be looking for new fodder there. Right now though, I am glad Fox is revealing the things about Obama. And Hannity is far from done. He loves to go for the juglar. Just remember he will be after Hillary when he gets done with Obama. But for now it is good that the Obama story is out there...for if they started this after Obama had the nomination it would be like swift boat on steriods for the Republican right and it would put McCain in the whitehouse. We need a Hillary in the white house and I hope that people wake up and see this NOW! I have always known this thing was lurking with Obama and Rev Wright and felt Hillary would prove to be much more electible when it surfaced. I just do not understand why the NDC party did not see this coming.

I have never been really able to picture Obama as president. I have seen him as an eleoquent cheer leader and that is about it. Hillary has so much more to offer and as the debates have been aired and she speaks across the country I have Hillary FEVER! I can see her there...I can really visualize Hillary in the white house...as commander and chief...fighting for Healthcare and so many other important issues. If I even think about Obama being president...I always think...we cannot afford to have someone who needs to learn on the job. I think all our dreams and hopes will be lost with Obama. He will not deliver. He cannot even make a judgement after being in a church for twenty years. If you are going to be in politics and run for president you cannot attend a church where the Rev speaks such things about the United States, etc. It is poltiical suicide. So what does that say about Obama's judgment? Guess I had to vent a bit. :(

We can follow on Fox while they pre-empt the conservative Obama strike before the convention names our candidate. But let us have a reality check...Hannity will be making a strike on Hillary when it suits his purpose. I guess we will be tuning in to Fox to see what is next with this story on Obama and Rev Wright. They are far from through yet. In twenty years I imagine there is a lot to cover yet.

G4Hillary
03-19-2008, 05:23 PM
I guess we will be tuning in to Fox to see what is next with this story on Obama and Rev Wright. They are far from through yet. In twenty years I imagine there is a lot to cover yet.

Yes we will. 20 years... Oh yes. This guy is done.

memphis
03-19-2008, 05:30 PM
The Church kinda got on Hanniby's bad side.
Video Hanniby ran on his show:
The new preacher, Moss, sort of rediculed and dared Hanniby.

NewHamster
03-19-2008, 05:38 PM
Fox just had on that complete a**hole Dick Morris who was making fun of Hillary's schedule as First Lady. He read about 5 things from the 11,000 pages and then said, "SEE? - all ceremonial!!" and had an evil, hateful glee in his eyes.

Remember, Fox is not saying this stuff about Obama to help Hillary. Beware.

G4Hillary
03-19-2008, 06:34 PM
Fox was talking about Obama pastor story again now

G4Hillary
03-19-2008, 06:35 PM
They brought up how he asked for the firing of Don Imus but is slow to act on his pastor.

G4Hillary
03-19-2008, 06:36 PM
They implied that he was a hypocrit.

They also talked about in on "the View" show that comes on during the day.

They brought up how he wanted Imus bounced but doesn't do the same when it comes his pastor.

williams says that this issue is not going away and it will come back in Pa, NC, IN, and so on.

G4Hillary
03-19-2008, 06:37 PM
They say that people are deeply upset at the video and that he has to give specific comments on the video.

He tried to thread the needle but we aren't having conversations about the specific comments.

G4Hillary
03-19-2008, 06:38 PM
Sharpton backs Obama now but does not officially endorse.

G4Hillary
03-19-2008, 06:41 PM
Sharpton is trying to defend Obama...to be expected.

G4Hillary
03-19-2008, 06:44 PM
They say Obama's stance on the war is much more nuanced than he says now.

They imply the Powers controversy.

They said in 2003 he said he might be wrong. Then he said his position was similar to the bush policy. Then he said that he was not in favor of pulling troops out.

They say there have been many twists and turns about how he has presented himself.

he opposed it before it started but he wasn't as unwavering.

Carolyn
03-19-2008, 06:45 PM
They are saying that Obama would have a harder time to beat McCain than Hillary.

No sh**, sherlock!

mkreyns
03-19-2008, 06:52 PM
Obama needs to step down and now let Hillary get on with the job of taking on the GOP. He is causing harm by staying in the race. He is engaging in divisive politics.

Totally agreed. Fox is now taking on the flags behind Obama at his speech yesterday. Obama needs to step down. I think we should encourage Gov. Bredeson of TN to endorse Hillary. He is a superdelegate and yet undecided. TN was won by Hillary and he should follow the people of his state to endorse her. Anyone who endorses Obama at this point I think is making a mistake. I foresee that Obama will hsve to concede the race to Hillary by mid-May or June due to exposing his skeletons.

I wrote to Sean Hannity to continue to do this as the voters are entitled to know about Obama. This is what I wrote:
hannity@foxnews.com
Dear Sean:
I applaud you for continuing to expose Obama. The American voters have a right to know everything about Obama. You are the only one courageous enough to crack open these subjects. I have done quite a bit of my own research on Obama. You have now just touched the tip of the iceberg on the dirt that is hiding behind Obama's clean image. I studied the Weather Underground where Ayers and Dorhn were extremely radical in the movement as you have reported. However, I urge you to continue to pursue exposing Obama completely until the other networks catch on to the exposure. The American public need to know about the dirty money from Rezko, some of which has been dumped into Rev. Wriight''s church. How do we know if some of that money is not surfacing into the Obama campaign? Isn't this money laundering? And if I understand it correctly, the money from former campaigns came from Rezko and can be traced back to Iraq. By the way, I understand this was millions of dollars of dirty money. All of this money was to support politicians to gain political advantages in committees in Chicago. so that way the criminals, like Rezko could have more control.
Thank you for exposing Obama, but I urge you to do more of it for the protection of the US.
Here are some of the stories that need further exposure in detail:
Obama's Church -->Rev. Wright-->Farakahn--> Lybia---> Qadafi.......model change to look at Lybia as model of change.....
Weather Underground--> Ayers and Dorhn-->grassroots organizarions--->promote voting through Internet organization.......
Rezko--> campaign money--> Trinity Church of Christ--> Syria---> Iraq-->oil money???--> gain political power---> money laundering.....
What about the Larry Sinclair scandal???---> drugs and deals, gay relationship??--> lawsuit filed??
Naftagate?
Foreign affairs---> Samantha Powers---> Iraq hypocrysy.......
Keep up the good work....get the dirty lsundry out there, make a difference until the issues explode on the other networks!!!
MKREYNS

Great, my TV went out due to a storm here. Now I didn't get to see what they are saying about the flags being too obvious behind Obama.

blueskygal
03-19-2008, 07:06 PM
I just listened a bit to Hannity who is going after Obama and bringing up another minister (Meeks) who also is incendiary and a close associate of Obama's.

After initially letting off some steam Obama's way, I am now feeling, WOW this is a HUGE story, and it's not going away. We really do need to address race in this country, but this is not the way to do it.

I have had a "knowing" every since Super Tuesday that Hillary will be our nominee. I do not see how Obama can survive this - there is another item about right now being a link on his site to the Black Panthers another radical group.

I think this whole affair is very sad for America, and shame on the media for giving Obama a free pass. If this was HRC's story, it would have been out month's ago.

I think in the interests of National Unity, Obama will have to step down from the race and do it soon. This will give HRC a chance to rest, catch her breath, before the next round of attacks. (BTW, Dick Norris USED TO BE an advisor the the CLinton's he obviously has an ax to grind, i never read his stuff.

I think however that Obama won't do this until absolutely forced to (probably by the same party leaders that backed him, Kennedy, Kerry, Pelosi, et al). I think we will see this happen. There is no way this story is just going away. YOu don't see any of his supporters rushing in to help him now do you. Kennedy got annoyed at a trumped up charge that the CLinton's were using race. Where is your voice now Teddy? I'm glad he didn't endorse her, we don't need his baggage in the general.

What makes me the maddest is that Obama toyed with the hopes and dreams of people for his own self-interest. I think we are seeing a deeply wounded person who hasn't addressed his own shortcomings. Remember, Obama was an only child, and like many, was probably never held accountable. What arrogance to think you can get out there, and talk about this stuff, and think people are not going to investigate you?

For me, the Gold Standard on this is MLK. We would never see him doing this, and yet he made enormous changes in this country. In my view he is a saint, not because he satisficed, he didn't. he stood his ground and did it in a truly spiritual way.

There are many clues that show who Obama is: the pastors, the fact that he won't wear a lapel pin, salute the flag, created his own "usa logo" is this a "new world order" he had in mind?

This whole affair is tragic for blacks, whites, and the country as a whole. It has not moved the ball forward in race relations, but instead, played to people's fears. Obama has been the most divisive candidate. just like bush who said "i'm a uniter, not a divider."

unfortunately, we have another person in Obama, saying the same thing and doing just the opposite.

Annie
03-19-2008, 07:14 PM
Even that won't matter to his hard-core supporters. They are under some very strong hypnotic spell!!

It is called voodoo. My husband is convinced there is some kind of witch doctors spell going on.:D



Excelsior!

lucky-ann
03-19-2008, 07:18 PM
i guess you all know this poll, but on aol is a poll, where almost 70 % of the people said, the speech wouldn't solve obama's problems (and i think that's much more telling than a poll on fox news ;))

Annie
03-19-2008, 07:32 PM
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3031317&page=1
Obama: Fire Imus
Obama First White House Contender to Call for Imus' Firing Over Racial Slur

http://www.breitbart.tv/html/64554.html
Obama Flashback: MSNBC Shouldn’t Carry Imus’ ‘Hateful Remarks’

But Obama can't fire his own pastors

Can somebody provide links (yesterday speech) where Obama refused to fire his pastor after racial slurs but happy that Imus should be fired.
If Video are not in youtube, can someone here do this great service.

His daughter can listen hours of Pastor's anti-American and racial slurs but not from Imus

Hmmm interesting - Soooo if it can be found - why not send the video to Don Imus.... There could be some interesting reactions....... Nothing ventured, etc.


Excelsior!

AlexG
03-19-2008, 07:43 PM
I've spent the morning on another political board, arguing with an Obamaniac about whether Wright's remarks were bigoted (the Obamaton kept demanding that I show him the "context" in which the remarks were made, or else "we" would have to conclude that the jury is still out).

That Kool aid must have been made really strong yesterday morning!!!

All you need to do is not saying anything back. They know what it is or what it may be which you were refering to. Giving them more context as they demand would just allow them to keep arguing and let them feel that they are right (or at least still have a chance it was not wrong).

samkm
03-20-2008, 02:05 AM
Crap!! This is so explosive.. We really seem to be just scraping the surface here..

This type of Anti-Americanism and linkages with shady and questionable parties leads me to question Barack's candidacy and viability.

Very poor judgment time and time again.

I wonder if he was against war because his unholy alliances were opposed to the war.. You know... Something to think about.. It is certainly not about America!! We know now there is not much american-ness there after tacitly agreeing for 20 years with the non-sense that Wright has been serving him.

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What I read here reinforced my above last paragraph.. I have been thinking this and am increasingly questioning..

Never stop questioning motives... You know he has not done a thing.. ZILCH.. on Afghanistan committee.. The picture this is adding up to is NOT pretty... matter of fact, quite UGLY.

emmyCA
03-20-2008, 04:03 AM
I have been watching FoxNews for last couple days about the association of Wright and Obama as I think it is unbiased comparing to CNN and MSNBC. I have seen that both Hannity and O'Reilly don't want to give up this story. They want to keep digging, digging, and digging hard on this. To them it is a big issue that they won't give up unlesss Obama gives them and American people a best answer. I think it is in our favor that if Hannity and O'Reilly keep this issue going hot ...I think we should send emails to them about our thoughts and suguestions about Obama judgment isue. We should send them open letter why we think Obama should step down, why Hillary should be elected.. I think both Hannity and O'reilly would love to see our reaction and idea on expanding new development on the story...Below is direct email address of Hannity and Oreilly. If you can find any evidence that can be used to against Obama, I am sure they will report it.



hannity@foxnews.com

oreilly@foxnews.com

VoteSmart
03-20-2008, 04:13 AM
.....are typically GOP-centric so naturally the Rev Wright(aka Rev Wrong) will be a hot topic for some time. Yes, this does work in HRC's favor as long as the exchange is accurate & PC. Otherwise, the BO following will amass out of shear rage versus rationale and rally extra votes in the final primaries.

How can we best garner these findings, negative yet on point, while still keeping a positive message out there for the strength of the Democrats & the fortitude of Senator Clinton?

HillaryProblemSolver
03-20-2008, 08:21 AM
Murray, you are so right.

We need to get the focus off McCain vs. Obama and onto Hillary vs. MCain.

If I hear this guy say he opposed this war from the start one more time I think I will scream.



Obama said that Hillary is Bush follower because she voted yes for going to war.

Then Obama voted yes for funding the war without a time table (even though he’s been saying that the war is a dumb war).
Obama said that his vote was for supporting our troops (after he and Democratic Party agreed to pull out our troops)

Hillary has her strong reason of voting for the war. For a bigger one! To protect this land and the people from another attack from the radical Muslims! When she voted yes, it was based on the facts given by the President of USA and our intelligence that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. (Who else would you think would have given you better information that these two big sources, at the time this country‘s in danger?)

As a matter of fact, I come to think that her vote shows that she has a solid commitment in terms of our National Security. Does Obama have that same commitment? For political gains, he showed it by first voting yes for funding and second, recently, he said that he will resend our troop back to Iraq if we find Al Qaeda over there.

The Al Qaeda is already in Iraq! Mixing in the fights among those ethnic groups and the Iraqi insurgents against our troops. Obama has said it's because of USA that the Al Qaeda exists in Iraq.

They are there because we came there or they've been there long before we came; now it doesn’t matter anymore. The bottom line is Al Qaeda exist in Iraq!

And here some facts, according to former CIA Chief George Tenet, Al Qaeda commander Abu Musab al-Zarqawi somehow found his way to Iraq before the war.

So, now, back to Obama, the question for him, does his plan to pull out our troops still exist?

And that's why I think it will be easier for John McCain to defeat Obama, first, because of his flip-flopping in his national security strategy, showing his weakness in this issue, and second, because Obama has never proved anything related to our national security.

Just to remind you, Obama wasn’t even asked to vote for the war back in Oct 2002 as he was still an Illinois state legislator. Thus, we wonder what his actions would have been had he actually been a member of the senate, when he had to cast a vote on behalf of the people of Illinois regarding the authorization of military action against Sadam Husein. And as to remind you, one of those “present” votes he’s so fond of casting would not have been acceptable in that case. At the time he made the speech of anti war, his anti war position was just a speculation. It didn’t cost him anything at the time, and he didn’t have anything to lose. (I would say more to the judgment of his circles: Louis Farrakhan, Jeremiah Wright, and Malik Shabazz)