Hillary's Name In Nomination Doesn't Mean Anything-everyone Has Been Threatened!

[yheitman]

Folks, don't let go of your anger. Remember and carry it with you through to the General Election.

READ THIS:

from politically drunk blog..a great read I had to repost!

Media outlets around the nation heralded the news yesterday that Hillary Clinton’s name would finally be placed in nomination and that a roll call would take place at the upcoming Democratic National Convention. The story was considered important because of the 2 months of lobbying by Clinton’s supporters to secure her place on the DNC ballot. Although media outlets were quick to report the news, most were just as quick to overlook the downside to the so-called victory for Clinton. After all, you can’t have a “deal” without concessions by both sides.

In reality, yesterday’s decision is nothing more than another propagandist message put forth by the Obama campaign and the DNC to attempt to re-attract Clinton supporters back to the Democratic party. Clinton’s name being “placed in nomination” is essentially pointless considering that the agreement also called for Clinton to release her delegates; a move that will all but assure the nomination of Obama. Why Is This Important?

Simply put, the DNC and Obama campaign have exerted enormous pressure upon both pledged delegates and Superdelegates to support the presumptive nominee. In several cases, such as in Wisconsin and Colorado, State Parties have threatened and attempted to strip the credentials of delegates that have openly criticized Obama or refused to support him. Other delegates who are office holders. Additionally, other delegates have been threatened that the DNC would cut off any campaign funding if they did not fall in line. As a result of Clinton releasing her delegates, it’s safe to say that enough delegates will switch their vote (for the sake of Party influence) so as to create a wide-enough margin to protect Obama’s nomination.

The media has done an outstanding job of painting the “deal” as a victory for Clinton supporters, but in reality it is a meaningless and empty gesture that by no means represents the principle of ’self-determination’. Never in the history of the Democratic Party has a nominee had to make such concessions in order to achieve recognition by the Party. Yet, the Obama campaign and DNC have made it apparent that they are not willing to allow any semblance of Democracy to filter into the convention unless it has been manipulated to their advantage.

Since January, millions of American’s have fallen prey to a propaganda machine and marketing campaign that has “legitimized” a candidate that has called for unity but has caused severe divisions within the broader base of his own party. Clinton supporters have awoken to a new world in which the traditional spin of the media and party leadership no longer blinds them. I only hope that they can raise their voices loud enough to expose this ridiculous “deal” as just another diversion and distraction from Obama’s new Demockacratic Party.

J Brown
August 15th, 2008

[Bella]

Hmmm, I thought I read a post here where Obama said there would be a roll call.

Does this person have the inside scoop on what Hillary is going to do or something? I don't see her releasing her pledged delgates.

[mesofreee]

The delegates and super-delegates, like the 300 that held back those who would destroy the birthplace of western civilization, have faced over the last several weeks a great challenge. Probably greater than we know.

The convention is where they will hold back those destructive forces. Each delegate and superdelegate knows within their heart for who they will cast their vote. There should not be let in any fear of retribution, when everyone stands together, there can be none.

Vote your conscience delegates, by now you must know that the pressure you have been facing is undemocratic. Obama cannot win against McCain.

Hillary is our best candidate. she can win against McCain in the fall if only the DNC would unite behind her.

This is where you hold them back. This is the most important vote you will ever make in your life.

[pnevai]

Back room deal after back room deal. Time to actively advertise the signed petition for a roll call vote forcing the issue. Make it clear if Hillary is forced to release her delegates to be allowed perticipate then, No Deal!

If FLorida and Michigan can not have full voting rights without exceptions then No Deal!

If this is not to be a fully open and transparent nominating and convention process then. No Deal!

If these simple facts have not yet sunk into the collective condiousness of the DNC by now, then they deserve the crushing defeat they will suffer in November.

Listen up all you super delegates and pledged delegates. Keep screwing with the political process and your core constiuancy and what should have been your finest hour will be the day you saw the democratic party go down in flames. It will take decades to live down the political satire about how during the year when the DNC had the Presidency laid at their feet. They did everything in thier power to stomp it into the dirt.

[Suzan]

Back room deal after back room deal. Time to actively advertise the signed petition for a roll call vote forcing the issue. Make it clear if Hillary is forced to release her delegates to be allowed perticipate then, No Deal!

If FLorida and Michigan can not have full voting rights without exceptions then No Deal!

If this is not to be a fully open and transparent nominating and convention process then. No Deal!

If these simple facts have not yet sunk into the collective condiousness of the DNC by now, then they deserve the crushing defeat they will suffer in November.

Listen up all you super delegates and pledged delegates. Keep screwing with the political process and your core constiuancy and what should have been your finest hour will be the day you saw the democratic party go down in flames. It will take decades to live down the political satire about how during the year when the DNC had the Presidency laid at their feet. They did everything in thier power to stomp it into the dirt.
Hey, well said! I agree with every word, especially the first paragraph. I'm praying they hang with the petition and get all 300 signatures.

I do think they want to bring back Hillary's people and "the deal" is part of that, but I also think it's to keep the convention, which will under a media spectron microscope, from imploding. They don't want protests and marches and parades and floor fights, and they'll do anything to stop that. It's an image thing, which may be Obama's fatal flaw.

IMO, it's an empty gesture from an Empty Suit. And if this turns out to be true, then I hope the convention implodes ... and takes the party with it.

[yheitman]

Bella, in all previous roll calls, the purpose was and is supposed to be to select the nominee. In this bizarre aberation of 2008, we are being told to accept a pre-determined nominee and to abide by a "symbolic" single roll call round to assuage HRC's supporters. A pre-brokered "deal" means that the roll call is merely a pageant appearance opportunity for Hillary. One roll call vote has been brokered and then Hillary is scripted to yield the stage and her delegates to BHO. That is not the way it has ever been done before. This is a coronation ceremony; not a roll call.

In essence, the nomination is completely up for grabs in the roll call but BHO has proffered the deal which coronates him without question and places Hillary in an ancillary role. The obvious conclusion is that BHO is scared to death to allow the normal process to occur because he knows in that process he can lose the brass ring. The presumptive nominee has overstepped and basically ridded the Democratic Party of its democracy. It is a bogus show and completely undermines the very concept of the roll call vote.

[Bella]

Make it clear if Hillary is forced to release her delegates to be allowed perticipate then, No Deal!


You make it sound like Hillary is some weak poor put upon woman that can't stand up for herself.

If anyone threw the idea out there that she would be forced to give up her delegates, the Hillary I know will say no thanks and walk away. She made it perfectly clear in the last video that her voters want their voices heard. No way in hell would she EVER agree to a deal or be "forced" to give up her delgates just for the feel good feeling of even being put on the convention nom list.

[Bella]

Bella, in all previous roll calls, the purpose was and is supposed to be to select the nominee. In this bizarre aberation of 2008, we are being told to accept a pre-determined nominee and to abide by a "symbolic" single roll call round to assuage HRC's supporters. A pre-brokered "deal" means that the roll call is merely a pageant appearance opportunity for Hillary. One roll call vote has been brokered and then Hillary is scripted to yield the stage and her delegates to BHO. That is not the way it has ever been done before. This is a coronation ceremony; not a roll call.

In essence, the nomination is completely up for grabs in the roll call but BHO has proffered the deal which coronates him without question and places Hillary in an ancillary role. The obvious conclusion is that BHO is scared to death to allow the normal process to occur because he knows in that process he can lose the brass ring. The presumptive nominee has overstepped and basically ridded the Democratic Party of its democracy. It is a bogus show and completely undermines the very concept of the roll call vote.

Right, I get all that. What I meant was Hillary is not going to release her delegates before a roll call. I think it's ridic to insinuate that she would only want some symbolic role in this and not for her supporters to be heard. Doesn't make any sense. This thing will be determined on the first round.

[jonesstring]

Back room deal after back room deal. Time to actively advertise the signed petition for a roll call vote forcing the issue. Make it clear if Hillary is forced to release her delegates to be allowed perticipate then, No Deal!

If FLorida and Michigan can not have full voting rights without exceptions then No Deal!

If this is not to be a fully open and transparent nominating and convention process then. No Deal!

If these simple facts have not yet sunk into the collective condiousness of the DNC by now, then they deserve the crushing defeat they will suffer in November.

Listen up all you super delegates and pledged delegates. Keep screwing with the political process and your core constiuancy and what should have been your finest hour will be the day you saw the democratic party go down in flames. It will take decades to live down the political satire about how during the year when the DNC had the Presidency laid at their feet. They did everything in thier power to stomp it into the dirt.


My God, Pnevai! That was an awesome reply and appeal to the pledged- and superdelegates. Your words are so true. I just wish these people could see that they need to stand together against those evil manipulators!!

[jonesstring]

You make it sound like Hillary is some weak poor put upon woman that can't stand up for herself.

If anyone threw the idea out there that she would be forced to give up her delegates, the Hillary I know will say no thanks and walk away. She made it perfectly clear in the last video that her voters want their voices heard. No way in hell would she EVER agree to a deal or be "forced" to give up her delgates just for the feel good feeling of even being put on the convention nom list.

Bella, you don't know how much I pray that you are right about what Senator Clinton would do!!

[jonesstring]

You make it sound like Hillary is some weak poor put upon woman that can't stand up for herself.

If anyone threw the idea out there that she would be forced to give up her delegates, the Hillary I know will say no thanks and walk away. She made it perfectly clear in the last video that her voters want their voices heard. No way in hell would she EVER agree to a deal or be "forced" to give up her delgates just for the feel good feeling of even being put on the convention nom list.

Bella, you don't know how much I pray that you are right about what Clinton would do!!!!

[Bella]

Bella, you don't know how much I pray that you are right about what Clinton would do!!!!

If there is no roll call with Hillary's full delegates..I'll eat my shoe. ;) We probably only know like 5% of what goes on behind the scenes. Remember NV and the caucus at large fiasco? The lawsuits and such? I would bet dollars to doughnuts there were some big wig Hillary supporters that were threatening the DNC with lawsuits unless they honored democracy and her 18 million votes. Hillary isn't being forced to do anything IMO. She didn't work hard all these months just to agree with some Obama deal that gives him all of her votes/delegates at the end of the day. No way no how.

Hillary won't disappoint us. Trust.

[Alex01]

You make it sound like Hillary is some weak poor put upon woman that can't stand up for herself.

If anyone threw the idea out there that she would be forced to give up her delegates, the Hillary I know will say no thanks and walk away. She made it perfectly clear in the last video that her voters want their voices heard. No way in hell would she EVER agree to a deal or be "forced" to give up her delgates just for the feel good feeling of even being put on the convention nom list.

Precisely. We don't know at all if the agreement to release Senator Clinton's delegates is true. But YH is right that we need to ascertain what the plan is on both sides, and fight like hell-cats to make it fair. I would assume that it IS true that Barack is trying to steal the nomination and make it as unfair and scripted as possible. We are spreading out all over the internet today to find out what is going on and how we can keep democracy in the "Democratic Party." Our great vision is for Hillary to hand Obama his a$$ on a non-silver platter.:D

[Bella]

Precisely. We don't know at all if the agreement to release Senator Clinton's delegates is true. But YH is right that we need to ascertain what the plan is on both sides, and fight like hell-cats to make it fair. I would assume that it IS true that Barack is trying to steal the nomination and make it as unfair and scripted as possible. We are spreading out all over the internet today to find out what is going on and how we can keep democracy in the "Democratic Party." Our great vision is for Hillary to hand Obama his a$$ on a non-silver platter.:D

I'm behind that 110% :D

I just don't believe she would agree to something so shady where she would pretty much have to whisper to her delegates to vote for her but don't really mean it? I mean, there was a statement by her that she will be in the nomination and a roll call will take place. I just think that if we now start and say it's all a farce and insinuate that we don't believe Hill, it will make us look batshit crazy.

Has Will Bower issued a statement yet? I haven't checked my email. I'm wondering if he is still going forth with the protocol to get her placed on the roll call and what, if anything, the delegates that have already signed think about all this. Or even if they still plan on presenting it to Hillary.

[Alex01]

batshit crazy.

Ahem.:rolleyes:

Has Will Bower issued a statement yet? I haven't checked my email. I'm wondering if he is still going forth with the protocol to get her placed on the roll call and what, if anything, the delegates that have already signed think about all this. Or even if they still plan on presenting it to Hillary.

I don't see anything over at his website (www.puma08.com (http://www.puma08.com)), but that doesn't mean anything. The stuff that's going on now is probably very much hush-hush and higher up.

Will is brilliant, and will not fall for any BO BS. I am confident that he and his inner circle are finding out what is what, and will let us know as soon as they do what the next plan of attack is, probably by Monday. Meantime, we PUMAs will keep hunting for clues, sharing with our fellow PUMAs, and getting the truth out about ex-senator Barack Obama and President Hillary Rodham Clinton (hey, that's what they do, right - say what they WANT to be true?).:cool:

[We_Count]

If there is no roll call with Hillary's full delegates..I'll eat my shoe. ;) We probably only know like 5% of what goes on behind the scenes. Remember NV and the caucus at large fiasco? The lawsuits and such? I would bet dollars to doughnuts there were some big wig Hillary supporters that were threatening the DNC with lawsuits unless they honored democracy and her 18 million votes. Hillary isn't being forced to do anything IMO. She didn't work hard all these months just to agree with some Obama deal that gives him all of her votes/delegates at the end of the day. No way no how.

Hillary won't disappoint us. Trust.

I totally agree Bella. Hillary has worked her entire life for this momment. She has stood up for those of us who has lost their voice due to special interest and pet projects. Hillary has ALWAYS stood up and fought for we the people and there is now way that she is going to throw all of that hard work away just to support an unqualified candidate. She knows that he cannot and will not win in November and she knows that we are fighting for her now. I believe that. Denver will be Hillary's coming out party and she will be the nominee. If they fail to make her the nominee we will not just get over it, there will be a crushing defeat in November and they will only have their selves to blame.

[LetsHelpAmerica]

The amount of propaganda, speculation, and spin out there is enough to
give you a full blown migraine. However, I have a gut feel that there are forces
in place , although quiet and subtle , that will raise Hillary and de-thrown the lofty one.

[Kbentleyis]

Everyone, Hillary knew way ahead of time what she might face. Especially after 5/31. She and Bill are doing what they can and believe me, I'd rather have them on my side then against me. We must wait and don't lose hope.

[wasGOPnowInd]

Releasing does NOT guarantee how they will vote. There will not be, IMHO, a unanimous vote for Obama. In fact, I would argue that after the first ballot, there will not be a majority for him, and in the second ballot, his delegates from the earlier primaries (prior to folks getting to know him a bit) will move over to Clinton.

So, deal or no deal... this will not be the coronation he wanted.

PUMA!!!