NOTE: This Forum is a Gay/Lesbian Friendly Zone

[CGP]

We've had a few members recently so I will be very clear now.

This forum is a gay/lesbian friendly zone.

Any negative references or slurs against gay/lesbian people will be removed.

Being gay myself, I know my reality and what I have endured for 32 years.

Discrimination against gay/lesbian people remains rampant in our society. Such discrimination is toxic, unacceptable and something I will, unfortunately, spend the rest of my life challenging.

So in this forum at least, equality will prevail.

[Horizon]

Bump.And thank you Muzza for providing a gay/lesbian friendly forum.

[SoCal4Hillary]

We've had a few members recently so I will be very clear now.

This forum is a gay/lesbian friendly zone.

Any negative references or slurs against gay/lesbian people will be removed.

Being gay myself, I know my reality and what I have endured for 32 years.

Discrimination against gay/lesbian people remains rampant in our society. Such discrimination is toxic, unacceptable and something I will, unfortunately, spend the rest of my life challenging.

So in this forum at least, equality will prevail.But...but...you're supporting Sarah Palin!! Don't you KNOW that she's vehemently opposed to "the gay lifestyle"?

;) :rolleyes: :D

[joeysky18]

Thanks Murray. I enjoy the company I have with my GLBT friends at the forum. And I want to keep it that way.

[Tom Terrific]

This forum is a gay/lesbian friendly zone.

There are GAY people here??? :eek:

:D

[Horizon]

Shhhhhhh...not so loud.

[CGP]

But...but...you're supporting Sarah Palin!! Don't you KNOW that she's vehemently opposed to "the gay lifestyle"?

;) :rolleyes: :D

Gosh, you sound like a TROLL!! ;)

"The gay lifestyle" - I loathe that phrase. Taps into the "choice" myth, and don't get me started on that one. But I know you understand that as part of the "family".

[freethinker]

Gosh, you sound like a TROLL!! ;)

"The gay lifestyle" - I loathe that phrase. Taps into the "choice" myth, and don't get me started on that one.

"The Gay Lifestyle" sounds like a show on the bravo network, featuring makeovers for the aesthetically challenged.

:)

[Meg]

Gosh, you sound like a TROLL!! ;)

"The gay lifestyle" - I loathe that phrase. Taps into the "choice" myth, and don't get me started on that one.

No Getting the the almighty Muzza angry!:eek:


And yes we wouldn't want to give away our shocking secret!:p

Either way, people's orientations so far haven't caused problems... let's keep it that way!:cool:

[OkieforHRC2008]

Thank you for putting this in Murray. There is too much hate out there to make this place unfriendly. I love that this forum is gay/lesbian friendly. I am a firm believer that you love who you love, and you can't always pick who you find attractive.

[CGP]

PS - this thread is not about discussing the policies that different candidates/parties have towards LGBT people, so let's not even start going there...

[woman4change]

LOL @ Muzza!!

I am gay and very happy to be here! Thank you for this Thread.

[velocet]

My mind is NOT a Fred Phelps Friendly Zone.

My side of the aisle (conservative) has work to do.

First of all: anti-gay sentiment toward an individual lands up being a condemnation of the entirety of the individual. There is too much "hate the sin and the sinner" going on. Oscar Wilde suffered this way, even for all the contribution his genius provided the wider world. This does need to stop. IF "God hates gays" then let GOD sort it all out, not the morons who claim to speak for God.

Secondly: it might be time to face up to the notion that homophobia is the just-as-evil-twin of Misogyny. A double whammy construct of the prevailing Patriarchy.

Seeing and addressing the latter may be a way in to alleviating the former.

velocet

[SoCal4Hillary]

Gosh, you sound like a TROLL!! ;)

"The gay lifestyle" - I loathe that phrase. Taps into the "choice" myth, and don't get me started on that one.I hate "the gay lifestyle" [the phrase!] so much that I made a humorous design a while back:

http://images.cafepress.com/jitcrunch.aspx?bG9hZD1ibGFuayxibGFuazoxMTVfRi5qcGd 8bG9hZD1MMCxodHRwOi8vaW1hZ2VzLmNhZmVwcmVzcy5jb20va W1hZ2UvODA5MDA1OF80MDB4NDAwLmpwZ3x8c2NhbGU9TDAsMTY wLDE2MCxXaGl0ZXxjb21wb3NlPWJsYW5rLEwwLEFkZCwxNDAsM TIxfGNwPXJlc3VsdCxibGFua3xzY2FsZT1yZXN1bHQsMCw0ODA sV2hpdGV8Y29tcHJlc3Npb249OTV8 (http://www.cafepress.com/saproducts/988025)

I think it goes nicely with my gay agenda (http://www.cafepress.com/saproducts/1303382) items. :D

Oh, the "you CHOSE to be gay" thing? I've got that covered (http://www.cafepress.com/saproducts/827871), too. :rolleyes:

[Horizon]

my former bff asked me one day why I "allowed" my daughter to "choose" to be gay.Notice I used the word "former".

[CGP]

I hate "the gay lifestyle" [the phrase!] so much that I made a humorous design a while back:

http://images.cafepress.com/jitcrunch.aspx?bG9hZD1ibGFuayxibGFuazoxMTVfRi5qcGd 8bG9hZD1MMCxodHRwOi8vaW1hZ2VzLmNhZmVwcmVzcy5jb20va W1hZ2UvODA5MDA1OF80MDB4NDAwLmpwZ3x8c2NhbGU9TDAsMTY wLDE2MCxXaGl0ZXxjb21wb3NlPWJsYW5rLEwwLEFkZCwxNDAsM TIxfGNwPXJlc3VsdCxibGFua3xzY2FsZT1yZXN1bHQsMCw0ODA sV2hpdGV8Y29tcHJlc3Npb249OTV8 (http://www.cafepress.com/saproducts/988025)

I think it goes nicely with my gay agenda (http://www.cafepress.com/saproducts/1303382) items. :D

Oh, the "you CHOSE to be gay" thing? I've got that covered (http://www.cafepress.com/saproducts/827871), too. :rolleyes:

Excellent.

The shirt captures the absurdity of the phrase very well.

[Alessandro Machi]

The gay lesbian democratic delegates might have been able to turn the nomination to Hillary if they had wanted to, but didn't, because they probably knew it would hurt the party if any one group made that much of a difference.

[ZY123]

We've had a few members recently so I will be very clear now.

This forum is a gay/lesbian friendly zone.

Any negative references or slurs against gay/lesbian people will be removed.

Being gay myself, I know my reality and what I have endured for 32 years.

Discrimination against gay/lesbian people remains rampant in our society. Such discrimination is toxic, unacceptable and something I will, unfortunately, spend the rest of my life challenging.

So in this forum at least, equality will prevail.

This forum better be a gay/lesbian friendly zone - if it wasn't I wouldn't be a participant. That goes for woman friendly, all-religion (or no religion) friendly, etc. etc. as well.

[CGP]

Secondly: it might be time to face up to the notion that homophobia is the just-as-evil-twin of Misogyny. A double whammy construct of the prevailing Patriarchy.

Seeing and addressing the latter may be a way in to alleviating the former.



Absolutely. Homophobia & misogyny are direct consequences of patriarchy. It's no surprise that many gay men have reacted to the sexism/misogyny subjected to Hillary Clinton & felt the need to step in to defend her - in many ways gay men are fighting against the same forces - the power held by straight men across society. In the gender hierarchy of POWER (determined by patriarchy), straight men are at the top, straight women below them, and then lesbian women and gay men are battling it out for the bottom rung of the ladder! :eek:

Patriarchy (men dominating women) and heterosexism (straights dominating gays/lesbians) shapes all aspects of contemporary society.

[CGP]

This forum better be a gay/lesbian friendly zone - if it wasn't I wouldn't be a participant. That goes for woman friendly, all-religion (or no religion) friendly, etc. etc. as well.

Yes, and everything else: race friendly, class friendly etc.

[Adayamo]

Right you are, Muzza!
Thanks for this! :)

[DemKR]

We've had a few members recently so I will be very clear now.

This forum is a gay/lesbian friendly zone.

Any negative references or slurs against gay/lesbian people will be removed.

Being gay myself, I know my reality and what I have endured for 32 years.

Discrimination against gay/lesbian people remains rampant in our society. Such discrimination is toxic, unacceptable and something I will, unfortunately, spend the rest of my life challenging.

So in this forum at least, equality will prevail.

AMEN!

[Artists4Hillary]

This is a discrimination-free zone.

I wouldn't be here if it were any other way. I would run as fast as I could.

[CGP]

This is a discrimination-free zone.

Absolutely.

Non-discrimination WRT: gender, race, ethnicity, nationality, age, sexual orientation, religion, education level, socioeconomic status, physical appearance, ability/disability...

[eyedoc333]

Absolutely.

Non-discrimination WRT: gender, race, ethnicity, nationality, age, sexual orientation, religion, education level, socioeconomic status, physical appearance, ability/disability...

Thank goodness!

I am still recovering from wounds inflicted on another Democratic forum just two days ago, where I was just called "a racist Jew" ("because all Jews are racist") for not enthusiastically supporting Obama. And this was from someone I have known as a "friend" on the forum for over four years and had met in person. It was a stunner.

The HCF is a discrimination-free zone!

[EH]

Absolutely.

Non-discrimination WRT: gender, race, ethnicity, nationality, age, sexual orientation, religion, education level, socioeconomic status, physical appearance...

Yep! This forum is everything the "democratic" party isn't!

[CGP]

Yep! This forum is everything the "democratic" party isn't!

How ironic!

And how unfortunate that so many are jumping ship because the party has FAILED in its ability to practice DEMOCRACY.

[Optixmom]

You better all like pizza, or I don't know what I will do with myself...;)

PUMA's for PIZZA!

[Kitty]

I can only speak for myself, but I don't care if a persons gay, straight, black, white, whatever...We are all human beings. It's what is in a persons heart that matters. Just my personal opinion.

[Karen Keefe]

Hillary Clinton Forum. Name says it all.

[Wyoming Dem]

For newbies here, I am the forum's older, white redneck hick and I TOTALLY support the LGBT community which everyone on this forum knows. I am a champion for the obliteration of any prejudice, hatred or bias. Probably no other group understands the terrible discrimation women suffer in this country quite like LGBT community does. So demeaning or in any other way derrogatory remarks about anyone's sexuality on this forum shall incur my wrath as well as most of the others here. There is too much hatred in the world and too few safe havens. This forum is one of them.

[ssmith]

Yep... Murray .. thank you for this!

I for one do not tolerant discrimination agn anyone b/c of their race, gender, or if they are gay/lesbian.

and 2 of my friends, who are gay, they live in san jose, I spoke with them about Palin.

and THEY LOVE HER!

They were the ones who explained to me that her first bill as governor, she vetoed, it would have banned state same sex rights, and this means... EQUAL state rights for gays... and they loved this! and then they told me and showed me some links.. where Palin openly said, "yes I do have gay friends"...for a repub it is so rare to see this mentioned.

I see Palin as a straight shooter, and someone who truely does believe in EQUAL rights for all! she doesn't believe in gay marriage, but neither do any of the candidates, but like Mccain she believes in exact equal rights for all!
And she seems to mean what she says..

Mccain really picked the right person!!!

[Eddie3dfx]

I don't remember seeing many negative gay responses, but i haven't been able to read all the posts.
Thats sad, I've noticed many gay members on this forum and everyone here should be respected no matter their sexual orientation, religion, ethnicity, etc.

[CGP]

I don't remember seeing many negative gay responses, but i haven't been able to read all the posts.
Thats sad, I've noticed many gay members on this forum and everyone here should be respected no matter their sexual orientation, religion, ethnicity, etc.

Yes, it has been very friendly to gay/lesbian people. This thread is not in response to any change for the worse, I just read something recently which reminded me to start this thread for this forum.

[diane]

So in this forum at least, equality will prevail.

And THANK YOU Murray for that!!! And for all you do, we're very grateful.

[Eddie3dfx]

Yes, it has been very friendly to gay/lesbian people. This thread is not in response to any change for the worse, I just read something recently which reminded me to start this thread for this forum.

gotcha gotcha!

Good catch! :D

[Calico]

It comes down to respect. We all need to respect each other and the world would be a better place. :)

[Tim4Hillary]

Thank you Muzza for this and for all the integrity you consistently show - much appreciated!

[BillDemo]

Dang it! Ya means I gots to talk nice to them homersexual fellers?:eek:
And them lesbeen wimmens too? :eek:
Well, alrighty then, I guess I can manage that.:D
:P:P:P

(just kidding of course. Everybody deserves respect, regardless of race or sexual orientation. We're all the same)

[wasGOPnowInd]

We've had a few members recently so I will be very clear now.

This forum is a gay/lesbian friendly zone.

Any negative references or slurs against gay/lesbian people will be removed.

Being gay myself, I know my reality and what I have endured for 32 years.

Discrimination against gay/lesbian people remains rampant in our society. Such discrimination is toxic, unacceptable and something I will, unfortunately, spend the rest of my life challenging.

So in this forum at least, equality will prevail.

As always, I am grateful to you and all the moderators of this forum, for your diligence and support of this place. It is a safe place for all.

[CGP]

Thank you Muzza for this and for all the integrity you consistently show - much appreciated!


A nice rainbow touch!

It surprised to learn that some people didn't know the rainbow flag represented the LGBT community...

[Linda C]

I think I can safely say that most of the original members here are moderate to progressive democrats. If people buy into the hype that this is a rabid neoconservative republican site they will be sadly disappointed.

I think most of the republicans are tired of the rabid neoconservative republicans myself.

[Agent 00½ FL]

You better all like pizza, or I don't know what I will do with myself...;)

PUMA's for PIZZA!

I love Pizza!

You forgot to mention we are also animal friendly. No Pet haters here.

[wasGOPnowInd]

I think I can safely say that most of the original members here are moderate to progressive democrats. If people buy into the hype that this is a rabid neoconservative republican site they will be sadly disappointed.

I think most of the republicans are tired of the rabid neoconservative republicans myself.

Yes, which is why, twenty years ago, when they were taking over the party, I left. Of course, being gay, most of my friends could never understand why I was there to begin with! :eek:

I love being an Independent - no one owns my vote!

[writerchick]

I love Pizza!

You forgot to mention we are also animal friendly. No Pet haters here.

This stylish gay woman likes pizza and has 3 cats (stereotypical, I know) At least I don't wear "comfortable shoes":eek:

[Les33]

Thanks Murray. And this includes transgender people, of which there are at least 2 on the forum.

[CGP]

Thanks Murray. And this includes transgender people, of which there are at least 2 on the forum.

Of course!

I have always had some discomfort with the various "LGBT/GLBT/LGBTQ" abbrevations...

Mainly because sexual orientation and gender identity are separate issues - the distinction between these 2 things gets lost when gays/lesbians and transgendered people are all lumped together in the "everyone else" category!

[ILBlue]

OMG and to think after all these months I'm Just hearing this. :D

[Calico]

I love Pizza!

You forgot to mention we are also animal friendly. No Pet haters here.

I agree. This is an animal friendly forum. :) As we live on several acres of land and have a large house, we have seven cats (six raised from kittens and we just couldn't break up the "kitty family") and a dog. Vet bills are horrendous, but they are worth it! It is fun watching the "kitty family". They get along perfectly with each other, never any fighting. Some people could take lessons from them. :rolleyes:

[Les33]

Sorry I meant Muzza!

[Disfranchised]

I for one have found this forum to be made up of a group of clever guys and gals who are sensitive toward Age, race, ethnic background, gender, fairness and sexual orientation. :) We come from different walk of life and carry different experiences but we all share and admire what we saw in Hillary which is to try to live by the golden rules and to treats all people, not just members of in-group with consideration and speak out against discrimination. ;)

[foxyladi]

We've had a few members recently so I will be very clear now.

This forum is a gay/lesbian friendly zone.

Any negative references or slurs against gay/lesbian people will be removed.

Being gay myself, I know my reality and what I have endured for 32 years.

Discrimination against gay/lesbian people remains rampant in our society. Such discrimination is toxic, unacceptable and something I will, unfortunately, spend the rest of my life challenging.

So in this forum at least, equality will prevail.

THANK YOU MUZZA
I am not gay but I am a CHILD OF GOD
AS EVERYONE IS

[foxyladi]

My mind is NOT a Fred Phelps Friendly Zone.

My side of the aisle (conservative) has work to do.

First of all: anti-gay sentiment toward an individual lands up being a condemnation of the entirety of the individual. There is too much "hate the sin and the sinner" going on. Oscar Wilde suffered this way, even for all the contribution his genius provided the wider world. This does need to stop. IF "God hates gays" then let GOD sort it all out, not the morons who claim to speak for God.

Secondly: it might be time to face up to the notion that homophobia is the just-as-evil-twin of Misogyny. A double whammy construct of the prevailing Patriarchy.

Seeing and addressing the latter may be a way in to alleviating the former.

velocet

LET ME MAKE THIS PERFECTLY CLEAR
GOD LOVES ALL OF HIS CHILDREN
:D:D:D:D:D

[shadow]

I love you Muzza! :)

[lanesharon]

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Great Shirt!

[WorkingMommy]

http://www.network54.com/Realm/schoolkids/Emoticons/grouphug.gifGroup hug everyone!!!! :D

Everyone deserves respect! :cool:

[santafek]

Love the shirt.
This forum is not troll friendly.

[ImmaSlave4U]

It seems there's been a great influx of right-wing members lately, and I think this is a good reminder. Thanks, Muzza.

[Linda C]

This stylish gay woman likes pizza and has 3 cats (stereotypical, I know) At least I don't wear "comfortable shoes":eek:

I am into comfortable shoes now. I am almost 50...It makes the whole shopping experience rather boring.

[Tom Terrific]

You better all like pizza, or I don't know what I will do with myself...;)

PUMA's for PIZZA!

Who wants to argue about sexual orientation?

Now, pizza ... that's important.

[Hillicrat]

Gosh, you sound like a TROLL!! ;)

"The gay lifestyle" - I loathe that phrase. Taps into the "choice" myth, and don't get me started on that one. But I know you understand that as part of the "family".

Making a "choice" that goes against who you are is as painful as it gets. I always wanted to be "Free to be Me", but I never have gotten the real chance. For now I choose to be alone. (I found my partner dead 2 1/2 yrs ago). I have been married and have two beautiful children so I don't regret the "choice." Things then weren't like they are now and people still have a problem with it. I divorced in 1994 and met my deceased partner online towards the end of that year. Sometimes life just keeps throwing curve balls.:p

[Hillicrat]

Who wants to argue about sexual orientation?

Now, pizza ... that's important.

I got the best pizza when I was in New York. It has fresh mozzarella cheese and portabella mushrooms. Yum Yum.

[samkm]

Muzza, Thank you. I am not LGBT but oh lord, do I know what people go through. LGBT are real and natural and deserve inclusion in every way. I hope all members remember this.

[Eddie3dfx]

I will tell you this. I am actually very suprized of how many Gay members are against Obama.

I personally wish there was a party that was more moderate, strong on the war and fiscal conservatism, yet liberal on social issues like being pro choice and gay rights.

[Tom Terrific]

I personally wish there was a party that was more moderate, strong on the war and fiscal conservatism, yet liberal on social issues like being pro choice and gay rights.

You're beginning to sound like a libertarian. :) Except for the war part.

Ever listen to Ron Paul?

[samkm]

I personally wish there was a party that was more moderate, strong on the war and fiscal conservatism, yet liberal on social issues like being pro choice and gay rights.
So do I. The party would be huge.

[CGP]

I will tell you this. I am actually very suprized of how many Gay members are against Obama.

How come surprised? Being a member of a "minority" group myself (gay), I am very sensitive to injustice & discrimination. I saw Clinton being subjected to it by Obama & co, and alarm bells went off. Sexism against women offends me as its often perpetuated by the same people who hold power over me in society - straight men. So gay men & women often form a very natural alliance, especially during times of battle!

That said, there are plenty of gay men who have fallen for Obama's "hope & change", without paying any attention to his terrible record in relation to LGBT people. How could I ever support a man who actively campaigned with a well-known anti-gay bigot in Rodney McClurkin?! Obama's rationalization? You have to reach out to such people & understand their viewpoint. Like hell.

[ImmaSlave4U]

I personally wish there was a party that was more moderate, strong on the war and fiscal conservatism, yet liberal on social issues like being pro choice and gay rights.

You're beginning to sound like a libertarian. :) Except for the war part.

Ever listen to Ron Paul?

Eddie also said pro-choice and gay rights. Ron Paul is anti-choice and is not for 'gay rights'.

[writerchick]

I personally wish there was a party that was more moderate, strong on the war and fiscal conservatism, yet liberal on social issues like being pro choice and gay rights.

YES. This is my dream party.

[Tom Terrific]

Eddie also said pro-choice and gay rights. Ron Paul is anti-choice and is not for 'gay rights'.

You're right about pro-choice. I spoke too hastily.

I was thinking about Ron Paul's general stance, which is very libertarian. Although he has been a Republican for much of his political career, he was the Libertarian presidential candidate in 1988. Libertarian philosophy is generally fiscally conservative and socially liberal, which was what the writer expressed an interest in.

While Ron Paul is against abortion, this is actually a point of contention among Libertarians. Some are pro-choice, some pro-life, depending on when they believe life begins -- which makes sense. But you're right about Ron Paul himself, it seems. He seems to be staunchly anti-abortion.

As for gay rights, from my brief look on the web, he seems to be against identity politics in general, believing individuals should be able to do as they like (so long as they don't interfere with the rights of others to do the same). So, while he may be against "gay rights," he would certainly be for "the rights of gay people."

Sorry for writing so hastily.

[ImmaSlave4U]

As for gay rights, from my brief look on the web, [Ron Paul] seems to be against identity politics in general, believing individuals should be able to do as they like (so long as they don't interfere with the rights of others to do the same). So, while he may be against "gay rights," he would certainly be for "the rights of gay people."


Correct. Ron Paul would be against any legislation protecting gay people from discrimination. Therefore, he's against 'gay rights'. But he would also most likely be against legislation that would explicitly discriminate against gay people, therefore he could be called someone who mildly supports 'the rights of gay people'.

In this case, I think that Ron has good intentions, but good intentions aren't good enough.

[VotingHillary]

We've had a few members recently so I will be very clear now.

This forum is a gay/lesbian friendly zone.

Any negative references or slurs against gay/lesbian people will be removed.

Being gay myself, I know my reality and what I have endured for 32 years.

Discrimination against gay/lesbian people remains rampant in our society. Such discrimination is toxic, unacceptable and something I will, unfortunately, spend the rest of my life challenging.

So in this forum at least, equality will prevail.

I thank you not just for that, but for making it an EVERYONE but the Trolls friendly board. No wonder I have over 1,000 posts in here.

[SoCal4Hillary]

Excellent.

The shirt captures the absurdity of the phrase very well.Thanks.

You know, I'm reminded of something from a while back. The backstabbing, misogynistic attitude toward Hillary--and now Palin--exhibited by WOMEN, reminds me of just how ingrained [insert appropriate preface here]phobia can be. Back when I was volunteering at an HIV/AIDS clinic in Dallas, I remember more than once having a client come in--a GAY client--and be offended by our...how can I put this delicately?...CANDOR.

For example, I remember this one guy--he was probably 50-ish at the time, and this would've been in the early '90s--who spoke up during the pre-test class that I taught with another counselor [a gay male]. When we got to the part about anal sex and why condoms--correctly used condoms and the right kind of lube--were absolutely necessary in order to be as protected as possible from HIV transmission, he actually spoke up and said, "That's DISGUSTING!" This was the first time either of us had had someone do that, so Jim [the other counselor] and I looked at each other for a brief second and then I turned to the guy and asked, "WHAT's disgusting about it?" He was angry that we were "promoting" anal sex! :eek:

This was a gay man--"out" enough to identify himself as gay on the questionnaire he had to fill out, and "out" enough to come into the clinic on Cedar Springs, in the Oak Lawn area [anyone familiar with Dallas will know this is "the gay area" of town]--coming in for HIV testing, yet he had such strongly ingrained prejudices/hatred toward gays that he was offended by our covering ALL areas of safer sex. :confused: (And none of what we taught was geared ONLY to gay men--sex is sex...women do anal, too!)

This is what I'm seeing now with women [read: Pelosi] who cannot stand the idea of a WOMAN reaching the highest office in the land. In my opinion, THAT's disgusting. :mad:

[AnnaB]

It's too bad we still have to make these type of announcements, but I read a couple of comments from newer members that bothered me.

Thanks Muzza.

[skc1976]

"The Gay Lifestyle" sounds like a show on the bravo network, featuring makeovers for the aesthetically challenged.

:)

LOL, too funny! Don't say that because Bravo will pick it up! :D

[thebword]

It seems there's been a great influx of right-wing members lately, and I think this is a good reminder. Thanks, Muzza.


:) With this reminder, and the Hillary Clinton Forum policy of 100% pro Hillary, only the the truly moderate GOP members will remain. Sort of a litmus test for how tolerant and respectful they are toward all human beings.

It did not take long for me to realize many on this Forum were gay; and for me that made me feel at home. I have many loved ones who are gay or lesbian and I agree they have had to bare up against horrible discrimination. Who better to champion for Hillary and democracy and equal rights for all. :)

[Tea toaD]

Hillary Clinton Forum dot net. A good place to be:D

[Mercurial]

For me gay rights are one of the paramount issues which affect my view of a politician. One of the first things I generally like to find out is where someone stands on LGBT issues. Looking into Obama’s views on the matter gave me my first indication that he wasn’t all he’s cracked up to be, seemed like he was trying to have his cake and eat it, so to speak.

With that said, it’s great to know that this is a gay/lesbian friendly place, and I absolutely love the shirt.


P.S. I loathe the phrase “gay lifestyle”. Why do we never hear of the “heterosexual lifestyle”? As has been pointed out, this is just an attempt to get into the whole choice argument (as though it would even matter if we did have a choice!)

[hillgal]

I am still recovering from wounds inflicted on another Democratic forum just two days ago, where I was just called "a racist Jew" ("because all Jews are racist") for not enthusiastically supporting Obama. And this was from someone I have known as a "friend" on the forum for over four years and had met in person. It was a stunner.


I'm Jewish and have never been a racist. I chose to live in an integrated area. My next door neighbors are AA and they didn't move in next to me, I moved in next to them. Last I heard, the husband was a Hillary supporter.

The first reason (now there are many) which came up that made me decide never to support Obama was anti-semitism. Anti-semitism is rampant in the Obama campaign. "All Jews are racist" is an anti-semitic comment right there. A lot of Jews are fooled by Obama but I'm not one of them.

My antidote to being called a racist for not supporting Obama (and I have been so called too) is to tell them that I can't support Obama because - and then I lest all the non-racist reasons. When I'm done, I tell them that I will vote for Cynthia McKinney. Actually, I was going to until McCain picked Palin. Funny thing, they shut right up.

Now I tell them that since they are voting for Obama ONLY because he's black (I can't think of another reason why you would), I'm voting for McCain only because he put a woman on the ticket.

Oh yes, I'm also gay and not by choice.

[Bad Kitty]

"The Gay Lifestyle" sounds like a show on the bravo network, featuring makeovers for the aesthetically challenged.

:)

...or a new show on LOGO. :D

[Wyoming Dem]

A nice rainbow touch!

It surprised to learn that some people didn't know the rainbow flag represented the LGBT community...
Murray, not all redneck hicks are as cool as me...

[PuppyDogMom]

Now this is serious...

When we're talking about pizza tolerance, is it thin pizza crust or thick pizza crust?:confused:

Oh...and I'm relieved that someone thought of pet tolerance. I was going to interject DOG tolerance, but all pets is much more inclusive, don't you think?

btw, I'm gay, and so is my partner:rolleyes:.

Muzza...you're the greatest.

[truebluesenior]

I found and joined this forum as another support voice for "tolerence is her creed," Hillary Clinton. My late wife and I have been proud members of PFLAG--Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays for 15 years and, like Senator Clinton, know and cherish the LGBT family.

[thebword]

btw, I'm gay, and so is my partner:rolleyes:.


:D:D ROTFALMAO! :D:D

[Kbentleyis]

All of you make this mom proud. I have so much affection for my family.

[Hillarysmygirl08]

Now it is ok to discriminate against the Obots aren't there well those that post rude comments lol? As for pizza why'd you have to mention Pizza lol that is one of the things my doctor say has to go.

[ISUGuy4Hillz]

I thought it was surprising you actually had to make a thread about this, but then read that a bunch of new right wingers had joined the forum. Anyone who truly supports Hillary Clinton is against ALL discrimination! One of the main reasons I love her. :) Good to post this though for those who may not actually be HRC supporters!

[RachachaSharon]

"The Gay Lifestyle" sounds like a show on the bravo network, featuring makeovers for the aesthetically challenged.

:)

LOL

[RachachaSharon]

Now this is serious...

When we're talking about pizza tolerance, is it thin pizza crust or thick pizza crust?:confused:

Oh...and I'm relieved that someone thought of pet tolerance. I was going to interject DOG tolerance, but all pets is much more inclusive, don't you think?

btw, I'm gay, and so is my partner:rolleyes:.

Muzza...you're the greatest.

PDM, you crack me up. Straight here, but have several gay/lesbian friends.

[shadow]

Murray, not all redneck hicks are as cool as me...

I wish we could all meet. You are definitely cool and one of my favorite people here. :) :):):):):)

[lanesharon]

When we're talking about pizza tolerance, is it thin pizza crust or thick pizza crust?:confused:

Oh...and I'm relieved that someone thought of pet tolerance. I was going to interject DOG tolerance, but all pets is much more inclusive.

Thick Crust, lots of mozzarella!

And, don't forget us bitter middle aged women who cling to our cats. ;)

Cat lover here.........

[Frances]

I might add this is a rural America zone too!

[ZY123]

Anyone who truly supports Hillary Clinton is against ALL discrimination!

This bears repeating - and that means ALL discrimination.

[hillary4change]

We don't discriminate on HCF. Equality for all! What a happy world it would be! Tolerance, no judgement!
Thanks for our tolerant world here Muzza! Maybe you should be President!:D
Peace really prevails here too, if you think about it! We are all quite happy!

[VotingHillary]

I will tell you this. I am actually very suprized of how many Gay members are against Obama.

I personally wish there was a party that was more moderate, strong on the war and fiscal conservatism, yet liberal on social issues like being pro choice and gay rights.

Eddie,

I so strongly agree with you. As a lesbian, that informs my choice of partner, but not so much my political mindset. I too want fiscal responsibility, protection of my nation and humane policies on social issues.

As far as gay marriage is concerned, I don't believe the federal goverment has a right to tell any RELIGION it must have gay marriages. But, constitutionally, if the federal government is going to get involved in the marriage business, ie: civil ceremonies, then constitutionally, gays should have the same right to marry as heterosexuals with the same government benefits bestowed on these civil marriages.

[Jen the Michigander]

That said, there are plenty of gay men who have fallen for Obama's "hope & change", without paying any attention to his terrible record in relation to LGBT people. How could I ever support a man who actively campaigned with a well-known anti-gay bigot in Rodney McClurkin?! Obama's rationalization? You have to reach out to such people & understand their viewpoint. Like hell.

My local LGBT newspaper is totally in the tank for Obama. I can't even stand to read it anymore. And the other day, I was walking past a gay bookstore and there was an Obama sign in the window. OK, I can understand why much of the LGBT community wouldn't want to vote Republican, but Obama has done nothing to deserve the LGBT vote either.

[Mrsawd]

This site is a United States Country Family ZONE site !

no matter Male, Female, Gay What ever site we have been joining in every fight together Site !

[wildheart4mcpalin]

I hate "the gay lifestyle" [the phrase!] so much that I made a humorous design a while back:

http://images.cafepress.com/jitcrunch.aspx?bG9hZD1ibGFuayxibGFuazoxMTVfRi5qcGd 8bG9hZD1MMCxodHRwOi8vaW1hZ2VzLmNhZmVwcmVzcy5jb20va W1hZ2UvODA5MDA1OF80MDB4NDAwLmpwZ3x8c2NhbGU9TDAsMTY wLDE2MCxXaGl0ZXxjb21wb3NlPWJsYW5rLEwwLEFkZCwxNDAsM TIxfGNwPXJlc3VsdCxibGFua3xzY2FsZT1yZXN1bHQsMCw0ODA sV2hpdGV8Y29tcHJlc3Npb249OTV8 (http://www.cafepress.com/saproducts/988025)

I think it goes nicely with my gay agenda (http://www.cafepress.com/saproducts/1303382) items. :D

Oh, the "you CHOSE to be gay" thing? I've got that covered (http://www.cafepress.com/saproducts/827871), too. :rolleyes:
I am SO asking for this for Christmas! LOVE IT!!! When our baby was little, we bought a shirt that said "I love my two Mommies" then last year, she turned 14 and wanted that shirt again, so we had another one made for her larger self!!! She is so proud and protective of us- and campaigned so hard for Hillary, I think we have an activist in the making! THANKS MURRAY! I am pretty and witty and GAY!!! (that means happy, ya know):D

[Lodi]

LET ME MAKE THIS PERFECTLY CLEAR
GOD LOVES ALL OF HIS CHILDREN
:D:D:D:D:D

Uh, don't you mean her children? (Hee-hee-hee :D)

[Artists4Hillary]

I personally wish there was a party that was more moderate, strong on the war and fiscal conservatism, yet liberal on social issues like being pro choice and gay rights.

That would be my ideal party. ( except for the Iraq war).

[Laura Cereta]

Absolutely. Homophobia & misogyny are direct consequences of patriarchy.


Yes! Exactly! It blows my mind how so many people don't understand that!

[mjoynaples]

absolutely!

[Optixmom]

Reminder bump!

[dandanna]

We are perfect...just kidding...well, only half-kidding.

[Horizon]

Bump.

[Optixmom]

Bump.

I second that...

[Horizon]

I am trying to keep this as close to top as possible.Bump.

[VotingHillary]

This does need to be bumped. To all the new members from the "other side of the aisle", we are trying to work with you, but please remember the house rules here. Some of us have been on this site for months now. This is our home. We welcome you here, but please respect the house rules.

[freespirit]

Thanks for the reminder, Muzza.

[peachick]

Human beings could learn a few things from the critters that I have the privilage to know. For example how 14 chickens, 4 guinneas, 11 miniture ducks, and 3 peacocks all sleep together in peace in the same coop every night. They all do this by their own willingness to cooperate together for the good of all. This is what I love about this forum....... mutual respect among us all. This is why I am here. :) :cool: :D

[Memphis_Blues]

I'm sorry if this has already been posed but this thread seemed like a good place to post this link.

http://www.gaypatriot.net/ : The Internet Home For American Gay Conservative.

[cindyb]

This is the best forum I have ever been on. I pray that the feelings here can spread throughout America.

[jac22]

Lesbians (Tammy Bruce and me, that is) for McCain/Palin. I am new to forums so pardon any faux pas. I am a conservative lesbian. No, it's not a typo - we DO exist (see tammybruce.com for further clarification). I have been enthralled by the Hillary forums and, frankly, have been educated by a lot of the information therein. Y'all are on the ball and I have great respect for your cause. We on the other side have been complaining about the biased mainstream media and now that it has successfully sandbagged Hillary and now trying to do the same to Sarah Palin, I think it's obviously more than just a "theory". We need honest discussion not opinion pieces dressed in the guise of "news". Hillary was robbed. I had no idea there was so much fraud in the primaries and caucuses and we should ALL be pissed.

One last thing, if I may, let me dispel the common equation of "conservative" = homophobe, racist, hate-monger. As I am living proof, it's not true. Again, the media has successfully painted the picture it wants in order to suit its agenda. I can personally attest to the fact that the conservatives that I personally know, they are fiscally conservative and socially moderate. I have come up against more hatefulness and derision from my gay friends regarding my conservatism .....they same people who chant "Diversity" and "Tolerance".

They are neither. hmmm????

The inconvenient truth is that most of us are in or around the center and we have more in common than many of us know or are willing to acknowledge. I confess that I have learned much from the Hillary forums and I am thankful. Hillary is INFINITELY more qualified to run this country that Obama and I am so sorry that the DNC machine chose the wrong person to champion. In the end I think she comes out of all of this looking good for 2012.

Good luck y'all and keep up the good work.

JAC

[CGP]

I am a conservative lesbian. No, it's not a typo - we DO exist (see tammybruce.com for further clarification).

Welcome. Gay/lesbian-friendly here!

[Horizon]

Bump

[True Blue]

Great post Muzza !!!!

3rd party 08 !
Clinton 2102 !!!

[wasGOPnowInd]

Well, you know where I fall on this! :D:D:D

[mavfin]

. I have come up against more hatefulness and derision from my gay friends regarding my conservatism .....they same people who chant "Diversity" and "Tolerance".

They are neither. hmmm????

JAC

It's unfortunate that a part of the gay community is its own worst enemy on the image of the whole community, isn't it? This small segment of the community turns a lot of people against it, and is used against the gay community by other factions, too.

Welcome, Jac!

[bevvyjean]

That is just another reason that I feel at home here. Thanks!

[drink_chai]

It's unfortunate that a part of the gay community is its own worst enemy on the image of the whole community, isn't it?


Well to be fair, it has nothing to do with being gay or not.


It's all just a factor of how much cool aid a person has had to drink.

[samkm]

JAC, welcome!

[Hillary'sVegasFan]

For doing such a fabulous job with this forum...

and for all your hard work dealing with Trolls, hope your warnings and notes will keep them away!

[Maddie Kaddison]

It's amazing me to me how Palin has really resonated with the Gay and Lesbian community. A good friend of mine has always voted republican (secretly) but her partner HATED conservatives with a PASSION. After Palin gave her speech, J called me to tell me that A was jumping up and down and screaming 'That's my girl!" every time Sarah would twist the knife in Obama.

I've told J about this website so hopefully she'll be making an appearance soon!

Kudos to you Muzzo for making such this place a safe environment.

oh, and BUMP

[Michael White]

I think folks that are openly gay are great, the salt of the earth if you will. Kind loving compassionate folks that are truely in touch with themselves and generally kind to others.

I think homophobes have some serious internal issues and need counseling.

I think an openly gay or bi sexual president would be just fine with me. I think a closeted one would open to potential black mail.

I think BO is a closested gay or bi and hope I live long enough to read an internet news story that he has come out, in France.

[LetsHelpAmerica]

I think folks that are openly gay are great, the salt of the earth if you will. Kind loving compassionate folks that are truely in touch with themselves and generally kind to others.

I think homophobes have some serious internal issues and need counseling.

I think an openly gay or bi sexual president would be just fine with me. I think a closeted one would open to potential black mail.

I think BO is a closested gay or bi and hope I live long enough to read an internet news story that he has come out, in France.

I am DonnaD and I approve Michael's message!

[Alessandro Machi]

I don't know if this is the right place for this article, but it is about an openly gay man who believed in Obama before Obama committed and apparently had an effective role in helping Obama.

http://www.sovo.com/2008/9-26/news/localnews/9204.cfm

[shadow]

bump.

Please, new members, read. :)

[SantaCruzen]

I think folks that are openly gay are great, the salt of the earth if you will. Kind loving compassionate folks that are truely in touch with themselves and generally kind to others.

I think homophobes have some serious internal issues and need counseling.

I think an openly gay or bi sexual president would be just fine with me. I think a closeted one would open to potential black mail.

I think BO is a closested gay or bi and hope I live long enough to read an internet news story that he has come out, in France.

God knows we most likely had a few closeted wife cheatin' ones so why lie? Be honest.