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Sandy in PA
09-05-2008, 08:06 PM
Here's some intellligent smear clarification:

As a candidate for governor, Sarah Palin called for teaching creationism alongside evolution in public schools. But after Alaska voters elected her, Palin, now Republican John McCain's presidential running mate, kept her campaign pledge to not push the idea in the schools.

As for her personal views on evolution, Palin has said, "I believe we have a creator." But she has not made clear whether her belief also allowed her to accept the theory of evolution as fact.

"I'm not going to pretend I know how all this came to be," she has been quoted as saying.

McCain said during a debate last year that he believed in evolution when it came to the origin of life.

When asked during a televised debate in 2006 about evolution and creationism, Palin said, according to the Anchorage Daily News: "Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."

In a subsequent interview with the Daily News, Palin said discussion of alternative views on the origins of life should be allowed in Alaska classrooms. "I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum," she said.

"It's OK to let kids know that there are theories out there. They gain information just by being in a discussion."

Creationism is the belief that the Earth and its creatures were created by a deity. It's an alternative to the origin of life explanation taught in public schools under the theory of evolution, which puts forth that all living organisms descended from a common ancestral gene pool.

Palin said during her 2006 gubernatorial campaign that if she were elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add creation-based alternatives to the state's required curriculum, or look for creationism advocates when she appointed board members.

At a GOP presidential debate in May 2007 in Simi Valley, Calif., McCain said he believed in evolution.

"But," he added, "I also believe, when I hike the Grand Canyon and see it at sunset, that the hand of God is there also."

Palin's children attend public schools and Palin has made no push to have creationism taught in them.

Neither have Palin's socially conservative personal views on issues like abortion and gay marriage been translated into policies during her 20 months as Alaska's chief executive. It reflects a hands-off attitude toward mixing government and religion by most Alaskans.

"She has basically ignored social issues, period," said Gregg Erickson, an economist and columnist for the Alaska Budget Report.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gV5jvU52RD3WBflzbmSu5l6zwOqAD92V3VQG0

So, that should settle that question - and just in case you missed it, this bears repeating:

Neither have Palin's socially conservative personal views on issues like abortion and gay marriage been translated into policies during her 20 months as Alaska's chief executive. It reflects a hands-off attitude toward mixing government and religion by most Alaskans.

Bad Kitty
09-05-2008, 08:08 PM
Neither have Palin's socially conservative personal views on issues like abortion and gay marriage been translated into policies during her 20 months as Alaska's chief executive. It reflects a hands-off attitude toward mixing government and religion by most Alaskans.

"She has basically ignored social issues, period," said Gregg Erickson, an economist and columnist for the Alaska Budget Report.

I think it is better to stay out of people's personal business and their homes. Government has no place in the home. They snoop enough as it is.

ImmaSlave4U
09-05-2008, 08:09 PM
Hey, thanks for posting this fact-check!

samkm
09-05-2008, 08:10 PM
Neither have Palin's socially conservative personal views on issues like abortion and gay marriage been translated into policies during her 20 months as Alaska's chief executive. It reflects a hands-off attitude toward mixing government and religion by most Alaskans.

Exactly. In all the debates and position statements, I hear her being inclusive and going with the majority voice in the state.

When PUSHED to answer how she will vote on something, she says if it is left to her, she would side with life. But that is just the point. It is always a collective voice, and we have the Houses (House and Senate) to influence the legislation. These things will never be enacted by one person.

writerchick
09-05-2008, 08:10 PM
Neither have Palin's socially conservative personal views on issues like abortion and gay marriage been translated into policies during her 20 months as Alaska's chief executive. It reflects a hands-off attitude toward mixing government and religion by most Alaskans.

That's what I like to hear.

Sandy in PA
09-05-2008, 08:11 PM
I think it is better to stay out of people's personal business and their homes. Government has no place in the home. They snoop enough as it is.

Yes--I agree, and apparently, so does Sarah Palin. Its too bad she's been so attacked for her religious views, as people just seem to assume she's on some kind of crusade to make everyone believe what she believes.

Hillarysmygirl08
09-05-2008, 08:12 PM
I agree. I actually favor Creationism being taught along side the theory of evolution. I prefer the kids be taught either both or neither. I do, however, like the fact that she isn't pushing her views off on other people.

Agent 00½ FL
09-05-2008, 08:15 PM
as people just seem to assume she's on some kind of crusade to make everyone believe what she believes.

Isn't this what Obama's trying to do? Make everyone believe what he believes? Funny they are smearing with their own agenda.

Sandy in PA
09-05-2008, 08:16 PM
I agree. I actually favor Creationism being taught along side the theory of evolution. I prefer the kids be taught either both or neither. I do, however, like the fact that she isn't pushing her views off on other people.

And, the kids will hear about it somewhere anyway even if they aren't taught it specifically in school.

Pepper
09-05-2008, 09:15 PM
Palin said during her 2006 gubernatorial campaign that if she were elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add creation-based alternatives to the state's required curriculum, or look for creationism advocates when she appointed board members

The quote above makes me happy. Thanks for posting this article Sandy.
I am a very strong proponent of teaching scientific facts in school w/o inclusion of religious views concerning evolution. I was starting to get quite worried about voting for McCain/Palin because of this issue and also the animal rights issue.
Anyway, I feel better knowing this:D

FLHillRodSupporter
09-05-2008, 10:44 PM
Thank you for the article!

Gender Neutrality
09-05-2008, 10:57 PM
Smear Clarification is a good name for a *sticky* thread head

Ijane
09-05-2008, 11:18 PM
As a candidate for governor, Sarah Palin called for teaching creationism alongside evolution in public schools. But after Alaska voters elected her, Palin, now Republican John McCain's presidential running mate, kept her campaign pledge to not push the idea in the schools.

Either the people reporting this don't have any children in the school system or they haven't bothered to check their child's history books to see what's being taught!

I don't live anywhere close to the bible belt. I live in a suburb 30 miles north of Detroit city and my children have the benefit of an affluent school district.

NEWSFLASH: The concept of teaching creationism alongside of evolution is not exclusive to Sarah Palin or the far right. our high school history book teaches creationism alongside evolution although evolution is the main focus.

Pepper
09-05-2008, 11:30 PM
I don't live anywhere close to the bible belt. I live in a suburb 30 miles north of Detroit city and my children have the benefit of an affluent school district.

NEWSFLASH: The concept of teaching creationism alongside of evolution is not exclusive to Sarah Palin or the far right. our high school history book teaches creationism alongside evolution although evolution is the main focus.

WOW!!! I live right inside the buckle of the Bible Belt and creationism is not taught in our schools. My children go to a very affluent school district as well.
I guess it depends on the school boards and many get the ACLU involved if there is a push for creationism as many feel that the seperation of church and state is sacred. I know it's been an ongoing problem in Kansas and in some southern states.
If this was brought up in my kids school I would freak, but of course, that is just me:cool:
Again, I'm happy to know Sarah's stance on the issue.

Frances
09-05-2008, 11:46 PM
I think it is better to stay out of people's personal business and their homes. Government has no place in the home. They snoop enough as it is.

Not Obama, he thinks government and att and anyone else ought to intrude
on your privacy rights, that is why he voted FISA.

SojournerTruth
09-05-2008, 11:50 PM
I'm with okbiograd. Creationism is part of religious doctrine-and those teachings belong only in non-secular schools. It is not an alternative to evolution. The government should not be involved in marketing any particular religion.

Annie
09-05-2008, 11:51 PM
The quote above makes me happy. Thanks for posting this article Sandy.
I am a very strong proponent of teaching scientific facts in school w/o inclusion of religious views concerning evolution. I was starting to get quite worried about voting for McCain/Palin because of this issue and also the animal rights issue.
Anyway, I feel better knowing this:D

AGREE totally!
Religion has no place in politics either.

Ijane
09-06-2008, 12:43 AM
WOW!!! I live right inside the buckle of the Bible Belt and creationism is not taught in our schools. My children go to a very affluent school district as well.
I guess it depends on the school boards and many get the ACLU involved if there is a push for creationism as many feel that the seperation of church and state is sacred. I know it's been an ongoing problem in Kansas and in some southern states.
If this was brought up in my kids school I would freak, but of course, that is just me

You have no idea how crazy I am about separation of church and state! When Obama said that he would expand Bush's faith-based initiatives I went through the roof! I didn't know that creationism was in my kid's public school history book and I did a double-take when I discovered it! I read it and for me, it's ok. The history book teaches evolution but it's a history book and it wouldn't be complete without teaching the children about creationism seeing as how the theory of evolution wasn't accepted really until the 1860's (?). When a teacher tells their class about Charles Darwin's Origin of Species and a student asks what people believed prior to Darwin, what's the teacher supposed to say..."I can't answer that question" ? Fact is that many people believe in creationism still today and my kid's history book simply explains that...it doesn't convert them. :)

Tom Terrific
09-06-2008, 06:42 AM
And, the kids will hear about it somewhere anyway even if they aren't taught it specifically in school.

When I was young, kids learned about sex in the streets. Nowadays, it's creationism.

"Didja hear, all this may have been created by, like, a god or sumpin?"

"Naw! You got pictures?"