The Behavior of Obama Supporters Online

[CGP]

It goes without saying, as we all know, but I just feel the need to say it again - the behavior of many of Obama's supporters online is nothing short of abominable. They have infected seemingly every square centimetre of the Internet with vile lies, untruths, slander and smear about Hillary Clinton. Their behavior is truly disgusting and offensive. I can only conclude their behavior has been encouraged and/or inspired by an equally offensive LEADER, Obama. Rest assured, any Obama troll - either an abusive one or the "concern" type will continue to be banned from this site. Their messages of hate and slander will receive ZERO coverage in this forum - other than our critiques of them! It's gotten to the point that I am repulsed and offended by Obama's supporters even more than Obama himself!

[joeysky18]

Both Obama and his supporters are equally offensive to me.
But Obama's paster leads the pack.!

[CGP]

Both Obama and his supporters are equally offensive to me.
But Obama's paster leads the pack.!

Yes, Obama's "surrogates" and his campaign "leaders" are eqully offensive as well. How remiss of me to leave these 2 groups out!

[tommy]

Murray, I agree with you. It was the Obama trolls that turn me into a Hillary lover. I was neutral in the beginning of this election, but I couldn't stand how people can be so nasty and unfair to Hillary. I've never met anyone more disgusting than these followers.

[memphis]

I just wish the Hill camp had the man power to be on top of this from the beginning. I hope it is not to late to expose all the illegal activities at these caucuses.

[CGP]

Murray, I agree with you. It was the Obama trolls that turn me into a Hillary lover. I was neutral in the beginning of this election, but I couldn't stand how people can be so nasty and unfair to Hillary. I've never met anyone more disgusting than these followers.

Yes, although I have always been a Hillary supporter, I wasn't offended by Obama until this campaign started. Once I started to see the TRUTH about him and the DISGUSTING behavior of his supporters, the game was over! Heck, I started a forum I was so outraged!

[YesSheCan]

Yes, although I have always been a Hillary supporter, I wasn't offended by Obama until this campaign started. Once I started to see the TRUTH about him and the DISGUSTING behavior of his supporters, the game was over! Heck, I started a forum I was so outraged!

And thanks for this forum and giving us a voice to strengthen ourselves from the Obamakins and Obamaniacs.

[skc1976]

Sometimes...you just need to vent and let it out. Go for it! I definitely understand what you mean. His supporters alone are reason enough never to become one, even if he wasn't a reason too. :D

[BloodDAnna]

From the fist time I started talking about Hillary online I started getting attacked. Strangley, Republicans are very civil and I've had some good political discussions on other sites. The Obama followers, which I always call them followers, spew some of the worst hateful venom.

Alot of sites are similar in nature to the one Murray found democratic underground. I like to point out to them that they are'nt helping sway any voters with their behavior nor are they making any new indie voters by calling names, spamming, and generally attacking everyone who opposes their candidate. I have noticed people who openly back Hillary because of this behavior so maybe they are essentially helping us after all.

[Viktoriya]

I posted it on another thread, but I think it more appropriate here.

I am thinking about Obama’s supporters. We all see theirs posts. Really nasty, hateful words. There were several posts on this site about Obama’s supporters bulling people at caucuses or making comments at Hillary’s events in PA.

Why don’t we collect these nasty posts and create “who support Obama” blog where we can post for everyone to see who are these “educated” ‘new politics” generation. We can also post comments from Obama official campaign.
Another thing to do: if you go to Hillary event, bring camera. If you see disturbing behavior from Obama supporters – document it. Media is obviously num about it. We have to let people know how Obama running his campaign.

[CGP]

We have been too kind for too long. A quick google of Hillary Clinton + any topic and you will find the most vile slander against her. It's an organized campaign to destroy her. It makes me so angry.

[abigailadams]

Democratic Underground is a true cesspool.

[floorrunner]

From the fist time I started talking about Hillary online I started getting attacked. Strangley, Republicans are very civil and I've had some good political discussions on other sites. The Obama followers, which I always call them followers, spew some of the worst hateful venom.

Alot of sites are similar in nature to the one Murray found democratic underground. I like to point out to them that they are'nt helping sway any voters with their behavior nor are they making any new indie voters by calling names, spamming, and generally attacking everyone who opposes their candidate. I have noticed people who openly back Hillary because of this behavior so maybe they are essentially helping us after all.


I agree with you about the republicans being very civil. They aren't afraid to critique their own. I've had some very interesting conversations analyzing political strategies and we agreed on some things and disagreed on others.
I have never experienced this with Obama supporters. They just don't want to have a constructive discussion.

This is why I am grateful for your forum Murray. We can discuss and critque things here, let off a little steam when we need to and even have a few laughs along the way, without all the distraction of some of those other websites.

[tcbwriter]

I totally agree with all of you about the repulsive things spoken and written by Obama supporters. It was particularly obnoxious when they followed up their hateful words with something about how BO will bring us all together, unify the country, blah, blah blah.

As I've said before, this forum is a godsend. I was at the point of believing I was in a very small minority in my support of Hillary and in finding the words of BO supporters so disgusting. Y'all have really saved my sanity!

That said, I have to say my experience has been quite different with Republicans than some of you:

I agree with you about the republicans being very civil. They aren't afraid to critique their own. I've had some very interesting conversations analyzing political strategies and we agreed on some things and disagreed on others.
I have never experienced this with Obama supporters. They just don't want to have a constructive discussion.

I have Republican friends and they are the dirtiest players in town. The hatred they spew, particularly against Hillary knows no bounds! In fact, I figured many of these young Obama supporters learned from their Republican parents that hateful talk is a perfectly acceptable form of expressing your political views . . .

[Soren]

they are emotional. we are emotional. we love Hillary. they love Barack. we think people are unfair to Hillary; they think people are unfair to Barack. This is not about what "is" - tho both "sides" continue to talk about it as if it were about what "is". It is about emotion. They are in love with Barack, so when we call them Obamatons or robots, it invalidates them: it sucks their reasoning out. They like him because they like him. We like her because we like her. It's amazing that it is all about emotion and perception - and we (both sides) talk about it like it's about fact and real promises. We don't really truly know what either one of them would do.

We have so forgotten that this is a battle against George Bush and Dick Cheney. I always liked Rodney King's speech: "Can't we just get along?" I'm not saying I like the man, Rodney (never met him), but I liked the brevity and conciseness of his speech. Can't the Obama campaign be decent to Hillary and Hillary supporters? And can the Clinton campaign respect Obama and the Obama Generation?

[tcbwriter]

And can the Clinton campaign respect Obama and the Obama Generation?

My mama always told me people have to EARN respect. So, my answer to your question is NO.

[CGP]

And can the Clinton campaign respect Obama and the Obama Generation?

This is like asking: "Can the abused wife respect her husband who bashes her on a daily basis and spews hatred and venom at her at every opportunity?".

The answer to your question is an emphatic NO.

[CGP]

Can't the Obama campaign be decent to Hillary and Hillary supporters?

This is like asking: "Cant the abusive husband who bashes his wife daily and spews venom and hatered at her at every oppotunity just be nice to her?"

Just like the abusive husband isn't changing his behavior anytime soon - if ever - the Obama campaign and its vile supporters are not changing their behavior anytime soon - if ever.

[CGP]

We have so forgotten that this is a battle against George Bush and Dick Cheney. I always liked Rodney King's speech: "Can't we just get along?" I'm not saying I like the man, Rodney (never met him), but I liked the brevity and conciseness of his speech. Can't the Obama campaign be decent to Hillary and Hillary supporters? And can the Clinton campaign respect Obama and the Obama Generation?

Are we living on the same planet, looking at the same websites, listening to the same media reports? Sorry to be harsh, but I think you are being very naiive with these statements. The Obama campaign is viscious.

[G4Hillary]

There is no such thing as an Obama generation. Don't believe the hype. Obama's appeal amongst younger voters is about to end.

Hillary is the choice of everyone. PA polls say Hillary leads with the youth vote. So we shouldn't buy into the media nonsense.

Hillary reigns on all the demographics, with the exception of African Americans.

And regarding the Democrats, they lost their respect when they chose to back Obama. Their only hope of redemption is now backing Hillary. If they make the right choice, that is Hillary, we can overlook their tragic errors but if not I'll be saying hasta la vista to the Democraps. It will be Independence day come early for me.

[Soren]

I agree!
If people would allow themselves to see Hillary, they would love her as I do.
:o

[CGP]

I agree!
If people would allow themselves to see Hillary, they would love her as I do.
:o

Yes Soren, but this applies to reasonable people only. Those who are under the effects of a con and who are participating in a cult are not capable of being reasonable. Such people, unfortunately, have no interest in "allowing themselves" to see Hillary as she truly is. :(

[lea210]

I'm Ok if they disagree with Hillary's politics, but those Obamabots are so profane and disgusting. They don't even critcize hillary's policies, but instead make fun of her sex, age, hair, clothes, laughs, etc. Then for some reason, they are spreading this misconception that for Hillary it is all about money and power. I can almost guarantee that there is a team that works for Obama who has been constantly attacking Hillary's character. It isn't even about telling people to vote for obama because_______ , it is more like don't vote for Hillary because___(insert profanity about her character)___.

[CGP]

I'm Ok if they disagree with Hillary's politics, but those Obamabots are so profane and disgusting. They don't even critcize hillary's policies, but instead make fun of her sex, age, hair, clothes, laughs, etc. Then for some reason, they are spreading this misconception that for Hillary it is all about money and power. I can almost guarantee that there is a team that works for Obama who has been constantly attacking Hillary's character. It isn't even about telling people to vote for obama because_______ , it is more like don't vote for Hillary because___(insert profanity about her character)___.

Exactly.

The Obama campaign promotes extremism and hatred amongst it supporters. It's not about critiquing Hillary's politics - it's about hating her and her supporters.

The Obama campaign is nothing less than an organized hate group, promotiong division, smear, slander and abuse.

[OkieforHRC2008]

I'm Ok if they disagree with Hillary's politics, but those Obamabots are so profane and disgusting. They don't even critcize hillary's policies, but instead make fun of her sex, age, hair, clothes, laughs, etc. Then for some reason, they are spreading this misconception that for Hillary it is all about money and power. I can almost guarantee that there is a team that works for Obama who has been constantly attacking Hillary's character. It isn't even about telling people to vote for obama because_______ , it is more like don't vote for Hillary because___(insert profanity about her character)___.

They make fun of those things because that is what matters to them. Obama is supposedly (I don't see it) got all the things that Hillary lacks for them.. The right sex (Male must mean perfect for president cause all the previous ones were male right?), he's young, and so on. It's incredibly silly, and I'd rather vote on what the person has done (or in Obama's case NOT done) than by looks and personality!

Let's all promise not to get into fights with unarmed people, cause Obama's followers can't give intelligent reasoning (I don't count "I like the man or he's a good speaker" as good reasons.) for why they voted/vote for him.

~~OkieforHRC2008

Show kindness for others, and perhaps we can show them the light!

Hillary 2008!!!! The right choice!

[CGP]

The Rick Cross Institute for the Study of Destructive Cults, Groups & Movements

http://www.rickross.com/

Great quote:

(source (http://www.rickross.com/mind_control.html))



"Destructive cults, groups, movements and/or leaders maintain intense allegiance through the arguments of their ideology, and through social and psychological pressures and practices that, intentionally or not, amount to conditioning techniques that constrict attention, limit personal relationships, and devalue reasoning."

-- Margaret Singer, Ph.D



Links about "brain washing" and "mind control":

http://www.rickross.com/brainwashing.html

[G4Hillary]

The Rick Cross Institute for the Study of Destructive Cults, Groups & Movements

http://www.rickross.com/

Great quote:

(source (http://www.rickross.com/mind_control.html))



Links about "brain washing" and "mind control":

http://www.rickross.com/brainwashing.html

Exactly. Obama followers are brainwashed. We need to have them enlightened of that dirty cult indoctrination.

[EH]

This was a topic I wanted to start myself - the difference between Obama supporters and Hillary supporters. As was mentioned above by others, I've not once come across out-and-out hate and ugliness in Republicans, with whom I've had civil debates, as I have with Obama worshippers. They don't discuss - they cut-and-paste repeat what has been indoctrinated in them and if you try to ask them to back up their words with facts, they get nasty and call you a racist. This is the "hope and change" and "unity" propagated by an egomaniac thug who is a monster created by the DNC sore losers.

Personally I'm not retaliating to attacks on Hillary Clinton - I find it a waste of time to counteract such frivilous jabs at her age, personal life, appearance, etc, because if you throw cold hard facts about their demi-god at these people you only get more violence back. I DO however fight back a la' Geraldine Ferraro and won't stand for the idea that we're all supposed to bow our heads to him due to the pseudo-political correctness of the latte liberal freaks.

You know why I'm not worried about these Obama Nazis? Because, in the ill-fated event that Hillary loses the nomination, the GOP will rip him to shreds. And it won't even need Karl Rove to do it for them -the writing is on the wall. Come August, Obama and his freak show will be desperately scraping the barrel to save their asses. Right now we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg of this empty suit with the not-so-limpid past.

[rene.d]

You know what?
Many of the trolls are not "Obama nazis" or "latte liberal freaks."
They're just trolls.
As in, someone who writes inflammatory posts in an online forum in order to trick other users into an emotional response.

[EH]

You know what?
Many of the trolls are not "Obama nazis" or "latte liberal freaks."
They're just trolls.
As in, someone who writes inflammatory posts in an online forum in order to trick other users into an emotional response.

I'm not talking about trolls on this forum - I'm talking about Obamanots everywhere. You cannot reason with these people - and the internet is full of it.

[Area504]

Oh, the stories I could tell.

Even among people on this one specific message board whom I used to consider online friends turned into people I hardly recognized when they fell under the spell.

Sadly, the friendships ended, simply because I refused to partake of their kool-aid.

[SD]

Oh, the stories I could tell.

Even among people on this one specific message board whom I used to consider online friends turned into people I hardly recognized when they fell under the spell.

Sadly, the friendships ended, simply because I refused to partake of their kool-aid.

the same thing happened to me. i was a member of a site since 2001 and had to leave because the members hounded me out with hate, calling me stupid, not living in reality, ect.

here is one quote written to me by an obama supporter, and she is a political science major and teacher. scarey:


The message is the tiebreaker, it is that ephmereal quality that seperates a good executive from a leader, and I think it is extremely important after 8 years of Tweedle-Dee and Tweedle-Dum running the country into the ground. I think diplomatic capital and soft power matter, and Obama brings more of those to the table than Hillary internationally. I think the ability to compromise and listen to everyone matters.

how does one even try to discuss things with anyone like this? and she wrote this after the rev. wright story broke. she told me she agrees with all he said and that "i didn't like him because his message makes me uncomfortable". no, it makes me sick.

[Christines]

I have gone on many blogging sites all over the country! It is disgusting to see the type of supporters that Obama has representing him!
when I see that type of garbage, I respond with a fact that would be difficult to ignore! Often I use a part of an article from a well know source. When you compare their garbage and a logical fact, they look stupid and lose!

[Soren]

[QUOTE=susannah;24767]the same thing happened to me. .....

... diplomatic power and soft power ...

how does one even try to discuss things with anyone like this? QUOTE]

Agreed Susannah. I was speaking rationally and calmly to a set of young voters yesterday. I figured there'd be Obama supporters amongst them. I casually said something like, 'Now, change, by definition, is not something we would be able to see until the man got into the White House, because it's the way he's going to do things that will change. We cannot see it now; we have to wait." They nodded in agreement, as if they know they are voting on faith and faith alone.

Right, you cannot fight faith with reason or evidence.
Diplomatic power and soft power <-- wow, those are interesting concepts. Where has Obama ever exhibited them, however? His diplomacy seems lacking and hard with his current enemy.

[CGP]

This was a topic I wanted to start myself - the difference between Obama supporters and Hillary supporters.

Lot's of people are reluctant to speak up about the truth.

I'm not.

[EH]

Lot's of people are reluctant to speak up about the truth.

I'm not.

Murray you rock -as always!:cool:

[Area504]

The administrator of Common Ground Common Sense.org (someone I once considered a friend) just now implied that I am a bigot because I posted articles and personal comments that are critical of Jeremiah Wright's sermons!! :mad::mad::mad:

Here's a screenshot of his post (I am Sandra on that board):

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t270/cajuncocoa/Michael.jpg

[CGP]

The administrator of Common Ground Common Sense.org (someone I once considered a friend) just implied that I am a bigot because I posted articles and personal comments that are critical of Jeremiah Wright's sermons!! :mad::mad::mad:

Well, just add that forum to the list of websites that is infected with Obama supporters under the influence of a cult leader. Their denials of their "leader's" true nature and their abuse of dissenters is to be expected.

[Dawnelle]

They remind me of some of the Deaniacs from 2004

Maybe Deaniacs on STEROIDS! ;)

The thing that makes me the most angry is that these people are NOT going to suddenly be NICE if their Idol becomes King. And they'll be worse if Hillary is nominated.

I hope there are not as many of THEM as there are folks that will stay HOME if Hillary is NOT the nominee. Like myself and my Mom intend to do.

Sorry, can't, won't, no way, vote for Obiwan in NC on May (whatever) actually we are voting early in April! And we for SURE will sit home in NOV if he somehow slips by...........

[foreigner4hillary]

Another beef I have with the Obamanites (was just reminded about it when I was at another site), is when the point to something he said in one of his many World Redeeming speeches and say...see...that's what Obama will do!

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! How infuriating. Haven't they heard talk is cheap?! Of all people to believe, they believe the one man who talks and talks but never does anything.

[Fleur]

What scares me the most is that Obama speaks of his efforts as not just a campaign, but a movement. Why anyone would want to be part of this gleefully hateful movement is beyond me. I think Bill Richardson made a terrible mistake. Does he honestly think that Obama inspires hope in people and that Hillary's campaign is too negative? Clearly, he hasn't been online lately.

[Tea toaD]

Murray I agree wholeheartedly with you and the rest of our Hillary supporters. They, Obamabot's, are intolerable and I almost feel "hate" for them. I know that is a strong word but I can't help it.:mad: Hillary is treated worse than Bush & Co. It makes me feel so good to be here so I can feel "at home":)

[Oregonian4Hill]

Yeah, like that disgusting "Bros Before Hoes" T-shirt. Did Obama ever say anything about it or distance himself from it? I wonder if he's said anything about it to his young daughters.

[Bacio83]

Well from someone who still fights for hours on politico.com I can tell you that with all the craziness going on in the Obama camp they were so desperate yesterday to say all HRC supporters are Lesbians and Old women.... lol let's just say I rode them into the ground as they ran off the boards.

I like many people like to play devil's advocate, but I'm 24 and they kept thinking I was older because God forbid someone under 25 can vote with their mind and not with the rest of the lemmings. LOL anywho politico has turned into a well even playing field. I'm at my finest hour when I can get an Obama-follower to admit they were wrong and apologize. *sigh* it happens very rarely.

[Robin Orlowski]

. I'm at my finest hour when I can get an Obama-follower to admit they were wrong and apologize. *sigh* it happens very rarely.

It's happening though. The people were swept up in the image--and forgot to check the credentials of their dashing 'organizer'.

And like I've said previously, I was already taken in by others like him, so I know where they're comming from. They want to do good--but don't know how to judge people yet.

Basically they lack experience themselves. I'm not much younger than them, but I've since amassed experience in both organizing and personal judgement.

Their smooth talker is only telling them stuff they want to hear--and not the stuff he and his buddies will actually do to America

[CGP]

Well from someone who still fights for hours on politico.com I can tell you that with all the craziness going on in the Obama camp they were so desperate yesterday to say all HRC supporters are Lesbians and Old women.... lol let's just say I rode them into the ground as they ran off the boards.

Great - give it to them! :p

Their standard responses are to resort to sexist, ageist or homophobic language - what great advertisements for their leader they are! Are these the kinds of revulting people he "inspires" and attracks to his campaign. That alone should raise major ALARM BELLS. Those who wish to HATE are attracted to those who inspire and communicate such a message.

Keep the fight up! I tried to at Democratic Underground but they kept banning me.

[Suzan]

they are emotional. we are emotional. we love Hillary. they love Barack. we think people are unfair to Hillary; they think people are unfair to Barack. This is not about what "is" - tho both "sides" continue to talk about it as if it were about what "is". It is about emotion. They are in love with Barack, so when we call them Obamatons or robots, it invalidates them: it sucks their reasoning out. They like him because they like him. We like her because we like her. It's amazing that it is all about emotion and perception - and we (both sides) talk about it like it's about fact and real promises. We don't really truly know what either one of them would do.

We have so forgotten that this is a battle against George Bush and Dick Cheney. I always liked Rodney King's speech: "Can't we just get along?" I'm not saying I like the man, Rodney (never met him), but I liked the brevity and conciseness of his speech. Can't the Obama campaign be decent to Hillary and Hillary supporters? And can the Clinton campaign respect Obama and the Obama Generation?
Soren, I seriously wonder if you've ever seen these people operate or been under attack by them--or more importantly, see what they say on the open boards about Hillary, Bill and even Chelsea. It's sick and twisted stuff.

I had absolutely nothing against Obama or any of his supporters before they turned into thugs and bullies. This forum is polite discourse compared to what I've seen out there, and I completely agree that after dealing with that garbage for hours on end, we need a place to vent, to support each other and to figure out strategies to support our candidate.

Even the press agrees that Hillary has been villified far beyond any of the other candidates, and they're part of the problem. Also, most of them are Obama supporters. What are you supposed to do with bullies? Let them pound you into the dust? That's why I love James Carville. He called Bill Rick Judas and he won't back down. He's our pit bull. Love the guy.

[EngCindy]

Hi Gang....

Actually had a conversation with an Obama supporter that was quite rewarding.
At every turn, I backed up with Hillary legislature and/or policy; they couldn't.
Then they said something about the NAFTA-Canadian situation, and that Hillary had lied.
So, I brought up Wright and him sitting in on the sermons. This normally calm, collected person, almost got irrate. "Can't we just leave religion out of this ?" I said NO, it's too much an intregal part of who we are. A lie is a lie ? right ? But 20 years of passive complacency to hatred and anti-american speeched.....not someone I want to vote for.
So, she says, "But Hillary is too tough, she doesn't even act like a woman". I said WHAT ?
That's a bunch of crap..... Randi Rhodes, one of the last times I listened to her, said she was damn mad, but didn't know at which one the worse; Obama for being a whimp or Hillary for being a Bitch.......
I told my friend I wanted the "bitch" cause we have too much to do and a whimp can't get it done !

I work with a majority of men; and, I always introduce myself as "the bitch", so they have been warned and realize I'm not there to take their crap....I'm gonna give it right back. GO HILLARY

[CGP]

Hi Gang....

Actually had a conversation with an Obama supporter that was quite rewarding.
At every turn, I backed up with Hillary legislature and/or policy; they couldn't.
Then they said something about the NAFTA-Canadian situation, and that Hillary had lied.
So, I brought up Wright and him sitting in on the sermons. This normally calm, collected person, almost got irrate. "Can't we just leave religion out of this ?" I said NO, it's too much an intregal part of who we are. A lie is a lie ? right ? But 20 years of passive complacency to hatred and anti-american speeched.....not someone I want to vote for.
So, she says, "But Hillary is too tough, she doesn't even act like a woman". I said WHAT ?
That's a bunch of crap..... Randi Rhodes, one of the last times I listened to her, said she was damn mad, but didn't know at which one the worse; Obama for being a whimp or Hillary for being a Bitch.......
I told my friend I wanted the "bitch" cause we have too much to do and a whimp can't get it done !

I work with a majority of men; and, I always introduce myself as "the bitch", so they have been warned and realize I'm not there to take their crap....I'm gonna give it right back. GO HILLARY

Well done! Give it to them!

[rene.d]

bitch is the new black, people!

(fyi reference to Tina Fey)

[samkm]

If they realized we have such a strong collection of "shame" blogs on them, perhaps they might tone down their rantings. Then again, they have taken to the "hope chest" full of shady characters. Quote hopeless!

I wonder if they will recognize that the characters popping out of the hope-chest are refusing to bop back in.. and the hope-chest is truly empty but for these pop-ups who simply want to "God **** America" in the name of Wright, Rezko, Meeks, Auchi, Ayers, Dohrn, Odinga and more..

By the time all the heads pop up, keeping them bopped down will be a real challenge. And it will not be in September.. Not if you and I can help it. I hope Obama supporters see the need for action to not trust that hope-chest and start asking real hard questions for the real blue-print and questions to get to know exactly where in Chicago is the hope-chest anchored and which money was it built with.

No more elitism please. We are all ordinary people who are proud of our lunchpails and proud to sing God Bless America and salute to the flag and wear the American flag pin without hesitation.