The Origins of Extremism: "Nazi brainwashing started with Germany's youth" (by Peggie Larson)

[CGP]

It's been an often-used strategy throughout history - to target youth and corrupt them as a way to achieving some really horrid goals. I see some similarities with the Obama campaign and it's shameless corruption of young people who have responded to this corruption with some truly vile behavior towards anyone who does not express allegiance to Barack Obama.

http://www.rickross.com/reference/brainwashing/brainwashing49.html


Hitler proved it. A government or other organized entity can have a profound influence on what people believe and how they act on those beliefs. Particularly is this true for young people. An award-winning book for teenagers and adults provides proof in the chilling "Hitler Youth: Growing Up In Hitler's Shadow" (Susan Campbell Bartoletti, Scholastic, 2005).

The author relates information regarding the means that the Nazi party used to mold the German youth through popular youth organizations, special activities, propaganda, and appeals to support their fatherland. The defeat and consequences the German people had suffered at the end of World War I left a citizenry anxious to regain pride in their country and a more favorable economic future. Hitler and the Nazi party provided them with hope and a cause to embrace with total commitment.

[foreigner4hillary]

Not only the Nazi. The Cultural Revolution which killed most of the academics in China during Mao's regime follows the same theme.

When college students come out in droves to support a cult figure like Obama, it's time to get worried. Unfortunately, most people tend to wave such concerns aside simply because they refuse to accept the scary truth.

History has shown this so many times. I fear we are condemned to repeat it again and again.


Edit:

Quoting from that article:

"Elisabeth Vetter is one example of a youth who did so and her parents were arrested. Stories of others who resisted joining are also related."

Huh. Same thing happened during the Cultural revolution. Parents who did not agree with their children were arrested and sent to Reeducation camps.

[lucky-ann]

sorry, but nazi comparisons belong to the few things I find really tasteless...it's just not comparable...not even close ;)

[EH]

It's been an often-used strategy throughout history - to target youth and corrupt them as a way to achieving some really horrid goals. I see some similarities with the Obama campaign and it's shameless corruption of young people who have responded to this corruption with some truly vile behavior towards anyone who does not express allegiance to Barack Obama.

http://www.rickross.com/reference/brainwashing/brainwashing49.html

It's something I've been saying all along - his rallying naive, insecure listeners into thinking that something can be done to achieve a common goal is not unlike what Hitler did. While we all know the atrocity and ugliness of what was the true scope of Hitler's plan, do we really know what Obama's agenda is, considering that he's turned his supporters into unreasonable, bullying, and arrogant people, and that his own "church" has published pro-Hamas manifestoes (which the poor baby claims he knew nothing about)?

[Brooke]

sorry, but nazi comparisons belong to the few things I find really tasteless...it's just not comparable...not even close ;)

I agree 100%.

[foreigner4hillary]

sorry, but nazi comparisons belong to the few things I find really tasteless...it's just not comparable...not even close ;)


Well, let's not be hasty. What makes you say it's tasteless and not comparable? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you're basing it on the Hitler/Nazi image that we know of today.

Did you know that Hitler came to power based on peace, hope and courage? That he was a great orator who could move the crowds? Did you also know that many people did not believe him a threat? Even after he invaded and annexed Poland, the British, American and French refused to do a thing because they thought that would be it.

The comparisons, however "tasteless" have very real equivalents. One should always consider all available facts however tasteless it may be. Picking and choosing what you want to believe in will not lead to truth.

But that's just my 2 cents.

[Area504]

sorry, but nazi comparisons belong to the few things I find really tasteless...it's just not comparable...not even close ;)

I agree 100%.

I can understand the reluctance to see a comparison with something as sinister as the Nazi government.

But consider that the Nazi influence began with a promise of hope and change, and by the German people putting their blind faith and trust in one man, Adolph Hitler, to deliver that change.

Well, they got change....and nothing more is necessary to say about that.

70 years later, we should know better. We should demand more from our political leaders; we should demand specifics. Obama supporters are mesmerized by him, not unlike the German people were once mesmerized by Hitler. Right now, that is the only valid comparison.

In order to avoid a closer comparison, the American people in general, and Obama supporters in particular, should demand to know more about this man who wishes to become POTUS.

[foreigner4hillary]

do we really know what Obama's agenda is, considering that he's turned his supporters into unreasonable, bullying, and arrogant people, and that his own "church" has published pro-Hamas manifestoes (which the poor baby claims he knew nothing about)?


Why do people continually believe his claim that he knew nothing? Or that if he's soooo lost, how can he be fit for the presidency?

I won't be surprised if he robs a bank, claims that he was sleep walking and hence not know anything...and people would believe him.

What utter nonsense.

Obama contributed over $20, 000 to his Church. You would think he'll get free subscriptions.

Aside from that, how is he able to claim he doesn't know all the time and yet still qualify to be a president?

[EH]

I won't be surprised if he robs a bank, claims that he was sleep walking and hence not know anything...and people would believe him.


But if he goes to a gas station, he risks getting shot because he's black, according to Michelle Obama.

[Joe from WI]

BO is dangerous to this country. UNTIL NOW, we dont even know what he truly stands for, except his stance for his pastor Wright and his betrayal of his granny.

If BO can throw his granny (who loved and raised him) under the bus, he will certainly has no qualms doing the same to USA and all 'typical white' folks when (if) he becomes the president.

Just imagine : BO flanked by Farakhan, Wrght and they sit on his advisory panel with MO. And Black Panether, Rezko, his cousin (Kenyan muslim opp leader Odinga) frequenting his palace (oops White house).:mad:

[foreigner4hillary]

Someone (I can't recall who) mentioned that if he became president, he'd authorise reparations for slavery. All those guilt ridden people would probably embrace it too.

Well, expect higher taxes if that happens.

[SD]

i can't find the speeches,, but i have said from the beginning that obama's speeches sounded familiar. his speeches of hope, unity, saving the commom man, ect, were things adolf hitler said before the natzi party rose and he was just starting to run for office. it scares me. and nobody has believed me.

i have to hope though that if obama does, by some trick, actually become president, the congress and senate will reign him in. i do not want to risk it.

[Charlie Brown]

We can hope they will reign him in...But look at CNN they are so in the tank...They will never fully admit it either...They would go bankrupt. Fox is loving this too.

[EH]

Someone (I can't recall who) mentioned that if he became president, he'd authorise reparations for slavery. All those guilt ridden people would probably embrace it too.

Well, expect higher taxes if that happens.

I'm curious to know what his plan for reparation would be...notice how he doesn't advertise it now, eh? Afraid of a slice of voters backing off?

[foreigner4hillary]

I'm curious to know what his plan for reparation would be...notice how he doesn't advertise it now, eh? Afraid of a slice of voters backing off?


I'm sure reparations will be on his agenda. It fits his profile. I'll bet he'll also pardon Tony Rezko.

[EH]

I'm sure reparations will be on his agenda. It fits his profile. I'll bet he'll also pardon Tony Rezko.

That's only if Rezko will ever see the dark of the slammer, which I hope he does.

[AdrienneJ]

The Hitler comparison.
I've thought of it too. But I didn't post because I thought people might find it objectionable. But I'm glad you posted it. I am afraid we are dealing with a very unsavory character here in Obama. I don't think any comparison is off limits when we are dealing with something like this. If not Hitler, how about Millosovich? How about Manson? We aren't talking about ultimate results here from these people. We are dealing with the method they have used to gain a position of power...We are feeling all the red flags go off when we see this guy and see the behavior of his followers. (The Obamaphiles always get angry almost immediately when they are questioned about this guy's position on any issues.. it is a very strange and really bizarrely universal in them-- that, in itself, sets off red flags.) I understand people find the comparison distasteful. But this guy is distasteful.

So there is that... And there is the fact that many of us find this guy so downright creepy that we will or are considering voting for McCain if Obama gets the nomination.

Also, in addition to our knowledge that Obama is dangerous to America, there is the question of how we deal with it. Watch out for demonizing his followers. That imbues them with a power we don't need to give them. Use humor, and the knowledge that many followers are just being followers- they don't mean to be rotten, they're just in a group-- and they can be reached, they can be moved to listen to reason if given a chance. (I'm not saying they all can--or even a majority-- I wasn't born yesterday).

Where are the de-programmers when you need them?

I try to encourage the Republican media.. a little pat here, a little nod there..
to keep moving on the Obama coverage.

[foreigner4hillary]

The Hitler comparisson.
I've thought of it too. But I didn't post because I thought people might find it objectionable. But I'm glad you posted it.

Sorry I snipped your post in my quote, but it's just above this heheh...anyhow, nicely put.

I agree with you about the red flags. People should be aware of the situation and not tune out because it sounds awful.

[CGP]

The Hitler comparison. I've thought of it too. But I didn't post because I thought people might find it objectionable. But I'm glad you posted it.

You know, someone has to show some courage. It's time we stop pandering, stop being fearful and speak up - silencing people into submission is the desired effect of the kind of abusive and fraudulent campaign that Obama has led. He plays a very nasty game of politics - viscious - so it's about time he's called out for what he stands for - hatred and division.

[CGP]

sorry, but nazi comparisons belong to the few things I find really tasteless...it's just not comparable...not even close ;)

I am not surprised to read this comment. Not surprised at all. You have completed missed the point, evidently.

[freethinker]

sorry, but nazi comparisons belong to the few things I find really tasteless...it's just not comparable...not even close ;)


Well.............While you are correct that there are a multitude of differences between the two, and at least at this juncture, I doubt Obama has an agenda to obliterate a significant portion of our population, I respectfully disagree that there is no correlation to be found between them that can at least stand up to some scrutiny and the intellectual willingness to examine. I mean, isn't that, if not a responsibility, at least worthy of consideration, especially with such an unknown figure with a powerful following, vying for arguably the most important position in the world?

In comparing Hitler/Germany with Obama/US you see:

1. A country with a reputation as a bully, an economy in shambles and a demoralized population desparate for dramatic change to an national self-perception in which they can finally be proud.

2. A man with severe estrangement/abandonment issues with father.

3. A history of desparately looking to radical places through which to forge an identity.

4. Reaction formation issues regarding his own mixed racial/ethnic heritage: Hitler: Aryan/Jewish. Obama: black/white/muslim/atheist/christian.

5.Disavowal of and animosity toward the very parent who did the nurturing in favor of the abandoning father.

6. A clearly insecure, narcissistic personality that thrives on adulation.

7. Immersing himself in doctrine that designates an ethnic "elitist" villian responsible for the economic and social difficulties faced by the country. Jews/Whites.

8. Developing a coalition of "establishment" support while simultaneously espousing the dismantling of same for the good of the people.

9. Having highly develped oratorical skills targeting emotional rather than rational desires.

10. Targeting youth and specific ethnic groups while stereotyping and holding accountable the designated ethnic villian.

11. Using a grassroots approach to bring people together under a banner of creating a new unified nation.

12. A cult-like following, calling on followers to be the ones to do the work of carrying out the mission.

13. Espousing unity but actually creating severe division and blind alliegance to one cause to the exclusion of all others.

14. Creating a hate campaign under the guise of a noble purpose.

15. Being a member of and supporter of an organization with a documented anti-jewish sentiment and policy.

16. Having advisors with radical and anti-jewish agendas.

17. Receiving money from those with established anti-jewish ties.

18. A cooperative media/propaganda machine willing to overlook obvious red flags.

19. While espousing a new national identity, positioning of oneself as an agent for dramatic global change.

20. The most significant: A highly charismatic leader with no significant experience targeting a naive, demoralized population desparate for a new identity espousing a message of hope leading to an intentionally broadly defined change.

[CGP]

Freethinker - thank you for your intelligence, insight, honesty and courage in listing those 20 points.

About time a few more people WOKE UP!

[Ijane]

The thread isn't meant as a comparison of Obama to Hitler but rather the "whys" on how a destructive leader can get elected. This is VERY VERY important. It's probably the most important reason that brought me to this forum to begin with. I made this post on the "critiquing Obamamania" thread in the BO forum when I first joined this forum. I'll post it again since it now fits in this thread:

03-16-2008, 01:18 PM
Ijane Ijane is online now
Member

I have never understood how people like Hitler, Mussolini, Chavez, got into power until now. For me, this has been a profound lesson and a very scary one. I've never appreciated how powerful a charismatic personality can be. No one could have convinced me that americans would ever be so vulnerable that they could blindly follow and bring to power someone they know nothing about. I'm not comparing Obama to Hitler but I think we've proven that the mind-set in america is not above any of these countries that unknowingly bring to power evil leaders.

[mkreyns]

You know, someone has to show some courage. It's time we stop pandering, stop being fearful and speak up - silencing people into submission is the desired effect of the kind of abusive and fraudulent campaign that Obama has led. He plays a very nasty game of politics - viscious - so it's about time he's called out for what he stands for - hatred and division.

I agree wholeheartedly! We need to organize and expose Obama for what he is before it is too late. My grandparents immigrated from Germany and almost went back, but couldn't because Hitler was beginning his organization of charismatic followers. Obama made me compare him to Hitler almost from the start because of the charisma. A true trait of decptive leadership. I started to research about Obama and I found about the connections with Rezko, Ayers & Dorhn, Dr. Wright and Farakahn, and Larry Sinclair. I know the money trail is very dirty and I believe that Obama is guilty of money laundering, fraud and many other illegal activities. When the deceptive mailers went out in Ohio, I was outraged. I immediately looked up reporting decptive practices and guess what I found? A bill was proposed in the SENATE to report deceptive practices and intimidation for voters.

http://tinyurl.com/295m48

It seems that Obama planned on having deceptive and intimidating voter practices and worked on this as soon as he got into the senate so that he could run for president as soon as possible.

Throughout my other research, I came across Obama's position on getting rid of the Impeachment law for the presidency. To top that off, part of the Trinity United Church of Christ mission statements contained putting whites in concentration camps because blacks have been enslaved in our society. Now if you don't think this resembles Hitler, Naziism, and a dictatorship, you should think again. This is very scary and if you research yourself, you would find these things alarming. TUCC has now erased some of their mission statements under their website.

I think we should organize and try to get Obama disqualified before he can get the nomination. I have been working toward this goal all along. Any suggestions of how we can get very strongly organized and keep Obama out. We need to expose these things about Obama. If the media will not cooperate then we may have to get stronger and organize to get media attention.

[HillBuzzBlogspotCom]

There is a principle or syndrome or theory that says whenever anything discussed on the Internet is related back to WW2 Germany, the argument's proponent loses all credibility. This is something netroots people talk about all the time. You could have a VERY valid point, but once you compare someone to anything in WW2 Germany, your readers write you off and stop listening.

Jim Jones is even pushing it, even though the Obama people are cultish like that. The thing is: no one dies in Obamania, but they did at Jonestown and Heaven's Gate. You need a cult where no one dies to compare this to.

I think the best thing to compare Obamania to is Scientology. It gets the point across that these people are creepy, but does not give your critics ammunition to say you are a crackpot for criticizing them.

Comparing Obamania to Nazism just gives critics of your take on this way too much ground to call you out and say, "Now, really, Obama is like Hitler? That's preposterous!"

But, Obama is like the Scientology leadership...just as Halle "pick cups from the ground to make clear his path" Berry

[Charlie Brown]

this statement made me lose complete respect for halley Now...OMG

...just as Halle "pick cups from the ground to make clear his path" Berry

[foreigner4hillary]

The thread isn't meant as a comparison of Obama to Hitler but rather the "whys" on how a destructive leader can get elected. This is VERY VERY important.


Actually, I do believe that Obama would be a "hitler". Not in the sense that he'd be throwing people in concentration camps and starting a war, but in the sense that he will undermine your constitution further and open the way for more legalised civil rights abuse. Further, I believe he will do a 180 once he is in power. OR, even worst.

Imagine if after undermining the legal system, he increases the racial divide until there are riots on the streets, blacks vs. whites. Which isn't too hard to imagine. The white supremacist groups in America will rally once he gets elected. The black supremacist groups will undoubtedly react. He institutes martial law and assumes full power.

Anyhow, before you dismiss any such notions, remember that he courted Ayers's friendship. To this moment, I have no idea how he doesn't seem to get any political fallout from this relationship.


Edit:

You might think I'm crazy for having such thoughts. However, I've always been interested in history, and the scenario I've just painted, has happened several times before...!

[mkreyns]

Actually, I do believe that Obama would be a "hitler". Not in the sense that he'd be throwing people in concentration camps and starting a war, but in the sense that he will undermine your constitution further and open the way for more legalised civil rights abuse. Further, I believe he will do a 180 once he is in power. OR, even worst.

Imagine if after undermining the legal system, he increases the racial divide until there are riots on the streets, blacks vs. whites. Which isn't too hard to imagine. The white supremacist groups in America will rally once he gets elected. The black supremacist groups will undoubtedly react. He institutes martial law and assumes full power.

Anyhow, before you dismiss any such notions, remember that he courted Ayers's friendship. To this moment, I have no idea how he doesn't seem to get any political fallout from this relationship.


Edit:

You might think I'm crazy for having such thoughts. However, I've always been interested in history, and the scenario I've just painted, has happened several times before...!

Ok Let's be careful and not scare anyone away, but the similarities are there as the above post is enlightening. We do not know what someone can do once they assume a powerful leadership role. Things could change just as is stated in the riots and martial law posting. However, I still feel more comfortable with an ounce of prevention than a pound of cure. If we wait for hindsight, it might be too late. IF he makes the nomination, I am preparing to figure out how to possibly emmigrate and look at what happens from the outside rather than from the inside. As a dual citizen, I may be able to do just that. It is undortunate that the news media is not opening up all the connections about Obama. I think that candidates should be fully vetted and tested before they can run for such a powerful position. That brings into question the required top security clearance too.

[foreigner4hillary]

Again I must apologise for "fear-mongering". That is not my intention. My intention is to simply provoke our dear readers to open their minds to all possibilities.

The truth can only be obtained when one opens his/her mind to all the facts. Picking and choosing what you feel like believing is not the path to truth.

[rene.d]

Godwin's law :D

[ALL4HILLARY]

They curse on these blogs using words like F**K, WH**E, BI**H, SL*T, and worst. And these are directed to people in blogs that are saynig positive things about Hillary or negative about Obama. I saw these at Gigg.com, Youtube etc. In Florida people had been threatened when they tried to put signs in their yards and I believe we did not hear everything yet. Africa American supers have been threatened, And any other public figure that talked against Obama have been threatened and usi language like above and worst, (ex. Ferraro). the press has to look into this because it is scary just to think about it and it gets bigger and bigger. They became fanatics at a dangerous levels.

[Ijane]

From the article:

A government or other organized entity can have a profound influence on what people believe and how they act on those beliefs.

The "organized entity" in this case is the media. That's why Obama is where he is in the race. Had he been vetted,or at least had the story about Wright come out months ago, this forum may not have been established until the beginning of the GE (if at all) and we wouldn't be talking right now.

Narcissism and the Charismatic Leader-Follower Relationship
Jerrold M. Post
Political Psychology, Vol. 7, No. 4 (Dec., 1986), pp. 675-688
doi:10.2307/3791208
http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0162-895X(198612)7%3A4%3C675%3ANATCLR%3E2.0.CO%3B2-5

[hillary1]

It's been an often-used strategy throughout history - to target youth and corrupt them as a way to achieving some really horrid goals. I see some similarities with the Obama campaign and it's shameless corruption of young people who have responded to this corruption with some truly vile behavior towards anyone who does not express allegiance to Barack Obama.

http://www.rickross.com/reference/brainwashing/brainwashing49.html

waiting for obama to do the black power salute, thrust his blackgloved fist into the air when the athem is played, for him it would be approbriate, infact, the elitist that supposedly follow him, those must be his brownshirts, sound familiar

first a racist, now we have a pimp who is carrying his luggage for him, richardson, who when asked on cnn about his superdelegate vote for hillary since she won his state, he was stepping all over himself, DUH!, well, quotes richardson, "it was only by one percent", another flip flopper, earlier he stated superdelegates should vote their constituency, he along with others in the so called democratic party, are trying to force hillary out, so they can support a racist, between richardson, and chris matthews, obama gives him thrills up and down his leg, hmm, wonder which side he likes

obama speaks of words motivating a person, therefore, if he believes in that statement, which he made, then twenty years of wright must have motivated him toward a life of racism, and hate, if of course HE BELIEVES IN THE "WORD"

how can anyone vote for obama with all that we have seen, and heard, and from obama's own lips, are we all that stupid, do we all drink of the same koolaid jug

OH GOD HELP HILLARY, NEXT PRESIDENT

if hillary does not get the nomination, please vote mccain, otherwise the only one who gains from not voting is obama

[foreigner4hillary]

They curse on these blogs using words like F**K, WH**E, BI**H, SL*T, and worst. And these are directed to people in blogs that are saynig positive things about Hillary or negative about Obama. I saw these at Gigg.com, Youtube etc. In Florida people had been threatened when they tried to put signs in their yards and I believe we did not hear everything yet. Africa American supers have been threatened, And any other public figure that talked against Obama have been threatened and usi language like above and worst, (ex. Ferraro). the press has to look into this because it is scary just to think about it and it gets bigger and bigger. They became fanatics at a dangerous levels.


I think this should be MSM worthy. Of course, Obama will say he didn't know.
For someone hoping to be a president, he is strangely out of touch with a lot of things.

[mkreyns]

Again I must apologise for "fear-mongering". That is not my intention. My intention is to simply provoke our dear readers to open their minds to all possibilities.

The truth can only be obtained when one opens his/her mind to all the facts. Picking and choosing what you feel like believing is not the path to truth.

"Fear Mongering" is the exact term that Obama uses to brush off the reality that we seem to see. Hopefully all of us on this blog are wrong if he does make the presidency. The whole scope is scary and Obama always tries to blow off these criticisms as "fear-mongering" so people will not talk about it? That seems to be interference with freedom of speech and freedom of rational thought based on what we know from history or other important studies and realities.

[CGP]

There is a principle or syndrome or theory that says whenever anything discussed on the Internet is related back to WW2 Germany, the argument's proponent loses all credibility. This is something netroots people talk about all the time. You could have a VERY valid point, but once you compare someone to anything in WW2 Germany, your readers write you off and stop listening.

Theories are not facts.

The above "theory" is merely one way for those in denial to justify staying in a state of denial.

[CGP]

The "organized entity" in this case is the media. That's why Obama is where he is in the race. Had he been vetted,or at least had the story about Wright come out months ago, this forum may not have been established until the beginning of the GE (if at all) and we wouldn't be talking right now.

You are correct. This forum was started because I was so appalled at the lies and deception I was seeing from both Obama AND the mainstream media (eg CNN, MSNBC etc) who were (and still are) colluding with him.

[CGP]

Narcissism and the Charismatic Leader-Follower Relationship
Jerrold M. Post
Political Psychology, Vol. 7, No. 4 (Dec., 1986), pp. 675-688
doi:10.2307/3791208
http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0162-895X(198612)7%3A4%3C675%3ANATCLR%3E2.0.CO%3B2-5

I have previously referred to BO's obvious narcissim. It's a topic most find too sensitive to discuss or simply don't understand.

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=1629

[foreigner4hillary]

"Fear Mongering" is the exact term that Obama uses to brush off the reality that we seem to see. Hopefully all of us on this blog are wrong if he does make the presidency. The whole scope is scary and Obama always tries to blow off these criticisms as "fear-mongering" so people will not talk about it? That seems to be interference with freedom of speech and freedom of rational thought based on what we know from history or other important studies and realities.


Heh. I'll pass on the right to say "I TOLD YOU SO!!!!" any day :)

[Ohio mom]

They curse on these blogs using words like F**K, WH**E, BI**H, SL*T, and worst. And these are directed to people in blogs that are saynig positive things about Hillary or negative about Obama. I saw these at Gigg.com, Youtube etc. In Florida people had been threatened when they tried to put signs in their yards and I believe we did not hear everything yet. Africa American supers have been threatened, And any other public figure that talked against Obama have been threatened and usi language like above and worst, (ex. Ferraro). the press has to look into this because it is scary just to think about it and it gets bigger and bigger. They became fanatics at a dangerous levels.

I know these things are definitely going on...but why the hell isn't someone doing something about it??? Why do these piece of crap bullies get to threaten and scare people and nothing is done??? Seriously??? THese people are getting DEATH THREATS!!!! Isn't that a crime??? Let's press some charges here people!! I'm just not understanding how people are allowing these kind of 8th grade, give me your lunch money or else, shove the nerd in the locker, sonic wedgie bullies get away with this!!!!:mad:

[mkreyns]

I know these things are definitely going on...but why the hell isn't someone doing something about it??? Why do these piece of crap bullies get to threaten and scare people and nothing is done??? Seriously??? THese people are getting DEATH THREATS!!!! Isn't that a crime??? Let's press some charges here people!! I'm just not understanding how people are allowing these kind of 8th grade, give me your lunch money or else, shove the nerd in the locker, sonic wedgie bullies get away with this!!!!:mad:

If someone knows that death threats are actually occurring on some of these blogs, thenit should be reported, investigated and splashed all over the media. This seems to me to be related to hate crimes and can be reported to the FBI. I know that they have monitored child porn on the net, so why can't they investigate a hate crime on the net. You will have to lead them to the site(s). Something has to give in order to disqualify Obama. His tactics are horrrifying.

[Robin Orlowski]

When college students come out in droves to support a cult figure like Obama, it's time to get worried. Unfortunately, most people tend to wave such concerns aside simply because they refuse to accept the scary truth.


I want to avoid stereotyping an entire demographic--something which could also be characteristic of a totalitarian regime.

When I was in college, I had many real world concerns because of my disability.

My friends and I were very worried that a vice president was trying to use her position to kick us off campus and/or deny us access to ADA accomodations.

So we successfully organized for those accomodations and against her continued employment. That IS successful community organizing!

Today, I meet many people currently in college who do support Hillary and who are working for her election in other examples of successful community organizing.

They are also very frustrated by the mass media's insistence that young people 'support' Obama--as if they cannot also support the only candidate who would do the best job for America. They know that they do not have to shut off their brains just because the mass media insists they should.

I just want to make sure that we do not join in discounting the youth/young adult voice.

[Jayling]

I don't believe this man will become the President of the United States of America. He may have a large throng of followers, but that doesn't mean he'll win the Presidency -- if Hillary isn't the nominee that is.

Even with that large following of his, there are over 60 million Republicans who won't fall for his spell -- add on to that the possibly millions more Democrats & Independents, folks like us, who will see to it that he won't receive our votes.

[Ohio mom]

If someone knows that death threats are actually occurring on some of these blogs, thenit should be reported, investigated and splashed all over the media. This seems to me to be related to hate crimes and can be reported to the FBI. I know that they have monitored child porn on the net, so why can't they investigate a hate crime on the net. You will have to lead them to the site(s). Something has to give in order to disqualify Obama. His tactics are horrrifying.

EXACTLY...SOMEONE ON HERE LAST NIGHT WAS TALKING ABOUT A BLOGSITE WHERE SOMEONE WAS TALKING ABOUT THROWING HILLARY'S BODY THROUGH OBAMA'S WINDOW AND CALLING HER NASTY NAMES...IT FREAKED THE HELL OUT OF ME...I WISH I COULD REMEMBER THE PERSON WHO WROTE IT AND WHICH BLOG THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT...IT COULD'VE BEEN DIGG.COM????MAYBE???

[mkreyns]

I don't believe this man will become the President of the United States of America. He may have a large throng of followers, but that doesn't mean he'll win the Presidency -- if Hillary isn't the nominee that is.

Even with that large following of his, there are over 60 million Republicans who won't fall for his spell -- add on to that the possibly millions more Democrats & Independents, folks like us, who will see to it that he won't receive our votes.

I surely hope you are right, but even a better hope would be that Hillary wins the nomination and the presidency. I don't think I can tolerate anyone else. Obama is scary.

[CGP]

I just want to make sure that we do not join in discounting the youth/young adult voice.

No-one is discounting the voice of all young people, only those young people who support Barack Obama and engage in vicsious slander against Hillary Clinton and her supporters. Obviously, this is a subset of young people and not ALL young people. And rest assured, the haters amongst the Obama camp are not restricted to the younger generation - they are spread across the generational board.

[CGP]

I know these things are definitely going on...but why the hell isn't someone doing something about it??? Why do these piece of crap bullies get to threaten and scare people and nothing is done??? Seriously??? THese people are getting DEATH THREATS!!!! Isn't that a crime??? Let's press some charges here people!! I'm just not understanding how people are allowing these kind of 8th grade, give me your lunch money or else, shove the nerd in the locker, sonic wedgie bullies get away with this!!!!:mad:

Whenver you see such material online, make a copy of it. We need to start documenting these threats that are directed at both Hillary Clinton and her supporters. It's not hard to find - just about every website that covers politics is filled with vile anti-hillary smear. In amongst that, there is invariably material which crosses over into the HATE category.

Remember Tavis Smiley - who criticized Obama for not attending the State of the Black Union - went on record with saying that he and his relatives had received death threats for speaking out against Obama. Can you imagine the HYSTERIA that would be fueled by the media if it was established that Hillary supporters were giving death threats to those who critized Hillary??!!!

[foreigner4hillary]

Whenver you see such material online, make a copy of it. We need to start documenting these threats that are directed at both Hillary Clinton and her supporters. It's not hard to find - just about every website that covers politics is filled with vile anti-hillary smear. In amongst that, there is invariably material which crosses over into the HATE category.

Remember Tavis Smiley - who criticized Obama for not attending the State of the Black Union - went on record with saying that he and his relatives had received death threats for speaking out against Obama. Can you imagine the HYSTERIA that would be fueled by the media if it was established that Hillary supporters were giving death threats to those who critized Hillary??!!!


Indeed. More examples of the media's complicity.

[CGP]

Death threats by supporters to black superdelegates who support Hillary...

Death threats by supporters to Tavis Smiley & his relatives after Smiley criticized Obama for not attending the State of the Black Union....

Mysterious murder of the openly gay choir director of Trinity Church on Dec 23, 2007...

Alleged threats from Obama campaign to Larry Sinclair over this claims against Obama...

Obama's recent threat to the PA governor...

Use of media to spread anti-Hillary LIES and PROPAGANDA?

Is there a pattern here? I am not suggesting, I am asking.

[hillary4change]

I had commented on this to a degree in an earlier thred. It was called Don't fear Democracy in regards to the article that was cited there.
I have posted this comment before but it is how I feel.
You have to look out for the rights of others.
It is our job as Democrats in a free society.
Here is what I had said:

They came for the Jews and I stood silent because I am not a Jew.
Then they came for the Gypsys and I stood silent because I am not a Gypsy.
Then they came for the Union members and I stood silent because I am not a union member.
Then they came for the Immigrants and I stood silent because I am not an Immigrant.
When they came for me there was no one left to stand for me!!!
That is the gist of the quote.

What I was speaking to, was that there was a need for us as Democrats in a free society are obligated, in my view, to stand up for others when they are being tread upon.
I had cited this loose quote even earlier here, and that is when this Hitler comparison started to percolate in my mind. But I was careful when I cited it earlier today to not make an analogy. But I agree with Murray, freethinker, and Ijane these are things we need to keep our minds open too. When I quoted on the Democracy thread earlier I had up set that same person ann something but I wasn't trying to.
Anyways, I think we all just need to be aware and openminded, because a closed mind doesn't allow for free thought.

[G4Hillary]

sorry, but nazi comparisons belong to the few things I find really tasteless...it's just not comparable...not even close ;)

Lucky-Ann, I think the main difference between Hitler and Wright is that one had military and national power and the other one does not. Unless of course people want to test this theory and elect Obama. Then he'll have what Hitler had and we will seek the destruction.

[Annie]

It's been an often-used strategy throughout history - to target youth and corrupt them as a way to achieving some really horrid goals. I see some similarities with the Obama campaign and it's shameless corruption of young people who have responded to this corruption with some truly vile behavior towards anyone who does not express allegiance to Barack Obama.

http://www.rickross.com/reference/brainwashing/brainwashing49.html

They were called the Brown Shirts - Hitler Youth.