Sen.Clinton perhaps inadvertently creating a big problem for Sen.Obama (FOXNews: On the Record with Greta) *** WATCH NOW***

[xj550]

She said Hillary is creating a problem for Obama, up next.

[samkm]

Sen.Clinton perhaps inadvertently creating a big problem for Sen.Obama (FOXNews: On the Record with Greta)

How? coming up shortly on Greta. They showed a clip of Hillary talking intelligently; the stock market in the backdrop!! :D:D:D:D


I think just by being highly credible and knowledgeable!! She is able to articulate her deep understanding and her position on the situation very well.. and that is a problem for the gaffe-uhm..ummm-machine!

[Bad Kitty]

watching and waiting for what she has to say. looks like it may be awhile.

[Annie]

watching and waiting for what she has to say. looks like it may be awhile.

Oops sounds good - please report back..... can't watch tonight.

[ragdoll]

I thought that is what I heard. My husband and I, turned to each other and said, did they say she is creating a problem for Obama, at the same time. Now we know.

[Jill4Hillary]

I must have missed it. I have Greta on now, but she is not talking about Hillary. What did I miss?

[Bad Kitty]

She is about to do it after this commercial break. She is reporting on how Hillary may have an influence on who wins the election.

[Andy_Licious]

She mentioned it again; but she just finished with Marc Cuban (WTF, a basketball rich guy?) weighing in on the bailout. Hillary and 'the problem' up next.:D

[Bad Kitty]

She mentioned it again; but she just finished with Marc Cuban (WTF, a basketball rich guy?) weighing in on the bailout. Hillary and 'the problem' up next.:D

After these messages. :D

[Amy Dugan]

god, not greta

[Annie]

After these messages. :D
commercials.... aiiiiiiiii! the longer you have to wait the less there is to wait for.....:rolleyes:

[Bad Kitty]

She's talking about us. She is saying that her supporters who will vote for BO is the same number as when she first suspended her campaign.....nothing's changed. GO P.U.M.A.s!!

[xj550]

so still 58% Sarah Palin no impact. These People (I really hate that phrase)

[thebword]

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Poll says: June 58%, Sept. 58%, that is all Obama is getting on Sen. Clintion's voters.

I guess they will believe us now. No means No. Plan B: Vote McCain

[Bad Kitty]

so still 58% Sarah Palin no impact. These People (I really hate that phrase)

Yeah me too. He keeps saying these folks....he could just call us what we are....PUMAs.

[ragdoll]

Yeah, I'm part of these folks.

[Horizon]

We are making a huge difference in this campaign.I love it.Thank You everyone on this forum,we are a force to be reckoned with!!!!:D:D:D:D:D

[Amy Dugan]

bill said this in many of his interviews that she was out with the best plan early

[samkm]

Aha - It is even better than that....

It is the AP/Yahoo poll. Discussion on 42% of Clinton supporters not planning to vote O.

[nette60]

Sen.Clinton perhaps inadvertently creating a big problem for Sen.Obama (FOXNews: On the Record with Greta)

How? coming up shortly on Greta. They showed a clip of Hillary talking intelligently; the stock market in the backdrop!! :D:D:D:D


I think just by being highly credible and knowledgeable!! She is able to articulate her deep understanding and her position on the situation very well.. and that is a problem for the gaffe-uhm..ummm-machine!

This isn't anything we all did not know...

[Bad Kitty]

We are making a huge difference in this campaign.I love it.Thank You everyone on this forum,we are a force to be reckoned with!!!!:D:D:D:D:D

Indeed! :D

[Jill4Hillary]

Alan Warms saying that we are not voting for Obama because race is a factor. Again with the racist crap?

[ConservativeChick]

so still 58% Sarah Palin no impact. These People (I really hate that phrase)

I wouldn't necessarily call that no impact... the fact that is hasn't changed is NOT a good thing for BO. Palin may have very well affected things and is keeping that extra 42% from going over to BHO when normally they would have.

[thebword]

Surprise!!! That "other" 42%, well but of course, WE ARE RACISTS!:rolleyes:

[lynfreedom]

what else did she say. I saw preview somewhere but forgot where so missed of Bill and Hillary still being a problem for Obama. Don't have cable so not sure where saw

[Amy Dugan]

so where is obama gaining to lead in the polls if not hrc supporters

[samkm]

Tracks the same 2000 voters.

There is some disagreement on how serious the issue this is.

Twice as likely to use bad words to describe.. Hm.. Yahoo News is projecting the 42% of the people as more racist!! :eek: What else is new.

They did not look into any other potential reason. Just racism!! How cool is that! :cool::D There goes their credibility.

Now we know why they came out with that report.

We knew there was a dog-in-the-manger story in this one. Now we know.

They just wanted to tag Hillary supporters as racists!

[Wyoming Dem]

We are the "gotta have" demographic! Hey, the Dem party said "We don't need you (the old base)" So what's the goddamn problem? We arn't some cheap date that you can talk s**t to, not buy dinner, call rude names and then expect us PUT OUT for you. Go call a stupid teenager...they have way lower expectations.

[Bad Kitty]

Surprise!!! That "other" 42%, well but of course, WE ARE RACISTS!:rolleyes:

I liked it better when they were calling us the Wal-Mart shoppers....at least that was true....at least for me.

[Dendy]

That "other" 42%, well but of course, WE ARE RACISTS
Yes, what the F*** is that?:eek:
I hate when they label us like that and it seems like it’s only going to get worse. The media is completely missing the point.

[Bad Kitty]

so where is obama gaining to lead in the polls if not hrc supporters

biased polls.

[xj550]

"These People" are still angry, racist, don't/never liked his policies.

they do not belive Palin is a factor because they asked if they are more or less likey to vote for McCain because of it. I forgot the numbers.

[Calico]

She's talking about us. She is saying that her supporters who will vote for BO is the same number as when she first suspended her campaign.....nothing's changed. GO P.U.M.A.s!!

Fox had this on this morning/early afternoon also. :)

They said that the theory that after the dust died down after Hillary suspended, that her supporters would move over to the Obama camp apparently didn't work out so well. :)

[Annie]

I think Obama will take it and use it to further himself.... why is she talking tonight after John McCain suspended his campaign to work on the very problem today? Isn't she there also? Not sure about this - we know Hillary is smart but she is also campaigning for Obama and against McCain... feel strange about this....

[xj550]

my co-worker was polled, his wife(obama supported answered) she told them he was a racist. He's not, he was going to vote for Hillary.

[ClintonDems]

That really pisses me off! They say Hillary supporters are twice as likely to use derogatory terms to describe minorities. What a load of crap!

Unless of course they mean we use derogatory terms to describe OBAMA. Terms like "pompous", "egotistical", "narcissistic", and "inexperienced". Does that count?

[buffaloboy]

Here's an article about it on Fox news:
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/23/ap-yahoo-poll-58-percent-of-clinton-backers-support-obama/

I also started a new thread with this article as the subject.

[Amy Dugan]

Tracks the same 2000 voters.

There is some disagreement on how serious the issue this is.

Yahoo News is projecting the 42% of the people as more racist!! :eek: What else is new.

They did not look into any other potential reason. Just racism!! How cool is that!

many want to go back to the 90s clinton years BUT obama has never been out there saying he will go back just that he will give us something different than bush and bill clinton, not saying what though. fear of the unknown is one of the most feared things

[Wyoming Dem]

They said that the theory that after the dust died down after Hillary suspended, that her supporters would move over to the Obama camp apparently didn't work out so well

Ya think?

[samkm]

Hillary is just doing her job and standing up for what she wants to see done.. which is a bit more bending and a bit more bipartisan work. A bit more regulatory control than what is in the plan in front of them. I think she is all business.

I have seen her come on business talks. She tries hard to not mix the campaign talk into it. She compartmentalizes very well.

[Bad Kitty]

merged. :D

[thebword]

I liked it better when they were calling us the Wal-Mart shoppers....at least that was true....at least for me.

I was there today. :) Did some major shopping. To help the economy, of course. We all must do what we can....at least that is what I told my DH.;)

[xj550]

I give up riding my motorcycle one day a week so I can stop at wal-mart to do shopping for the week on my way home from work. I do not live close to any good stores.

bike - 55 mpg, car - 25 mpg

[Charlie Brown]

No deal ment no deal....:D

[Mrsawd]

89% said mcCain putting the Country first in the Campaign being put on hold today !


Yes :D Yes :D Yes !!!!:)

[ssmith]

what they did not mention: (in this same poll)


in june 21% of hill supporters were going to mccain, that number is now 28%

[samkm]

what they did not mention: (in this same poll)


in june 21% of hill supporters were going to mccain, that number is now 28%

Exactly. This was brought forth during the daytime show of FOXNews. They said, some like the following:
"It is not as if there was no movement in the group. There was. 7% more are saying they will ote for McCain."

[Linda C]

None of these polls are making any sense because they keep changing the matrices and weight of the sample. The over sampling democrats and minorities and under sampling the rest of the country. This leads to bias and then everyone is going to wonder "what happened" come election day.

If 42 percent of Hillary Clinton supporters are not supporting Obama yet, then Obama cannot have over 50 percent of the vote. The numbers just aren't making sense.

[bevvyjean]

For your info -- I listen to PBS on radio when I do my chores every day. I thought they would be less biased than the usual media because they receive donations from everyone. Not true about the less biased. Melissa, Terry, Ken, the whole gang on radio are also in the tank for BO. No more donations from this kid. They are AWFUL!.

[ModerateRepublican]

If 42 percent of Hillary Clinton supporters are not supporting Obama yet, then Obama cannot have over 50 percent of the vote. The numbers just aren't making sense.

The primaries is very small % of total GE vote. Hillary had 18 million votes. 42% not supporting is ~7 million. 2004 had turnout of 124 million. I think it will be higher this year. Maybe 130-140 million. So 7 mil is less than 5% of the vote.

Now I am not saying PUMA aren't making a difference. You are. You all rock. If 100% of Hillary voters were behind Obama he would be up another 5% in the polls. I am just saying it is possible to 50% w/o them.

95% of voter are "non-PUMA". Say that 95% is split 52%/43% Now add the 5% to McCain = 52%/48%.

Sorry for the ramble. BTW I don't think the polls are accurate. They are too heavily weighting dems. I think media is just trying to pound home that the one has already won to reduce McCain turnout.

[lynfreedom]

So basically hillary did not have anything to say?

[xfiles]

Are the black Hillary supporters who won't vote Obama also racist?

What about the huge percentage of black Obama supporters who won't vote for McCain?

[Laura Cereta]

what they did not mention: (in this same poll)


in june 21% of hill supporters were going to mccain, that number is now 28%

Beautiful!! :D

[SoCal4Hillary]

Yeah me too. He keeps saying these folks....he could just call us what we are....PUMAs.I've been called much worse! :eek: :D

As long as they're aware of us--and our impact on making sure Obama doesn't get elected--I really don't care what they call us. :p

[Suzan]

The primaries is very small % of total GE vote. Hillary had 18 million votes. 42% not supporting is ~7 million. 2004 had turnout of 124 million. I think it will be higher this year. Maybe 130-140 million. So 7 mil is less than 5% of the vote.

Now I am not saying PUMA aren't making a difference. You are. You all rock. If 100% of Hillary voters were behind Obama he would be up another 5% in the polls. I am just saying it is possible to 50% w/o them.

95% of voter are "non-PUMA". Say that 95% is split 52%/43% Now add the 5% to McCain = 52%/48%.

Sorry for the ramble. BTW I don't think the polls are accurate. They are too heavily weighting dems. I think media is just trying to pound home that the one has already won to reduce McCain turnout.
But consider the popular vote in the last two elections. Gore and Bush were virtually tied and in 2004 Bush won by what? 3 million votes?

This election is going to be that tight, easily. In that scenario, 7 mil votes is all you need, and then some.

[Eddie3dfx]

What did hillary say? sorry, im not following this too well.

[evolin]

Maybe the polls are accurate as of this time. If so we just need to keep hope that the odds will turn and our efforts will be productive.
What is worse would be in our being over confident. McCain is up against bad economic times, a Bush presidency that is unfavorable and a corrupt system with many factions against him.
Having us on his side helps a bit.

[samkm]

BTW I don't think the polls are accurate. They are too heavily weighting dems. I think media is just trying to pound home that the one has already won to reduce McCain turnout.

I think there are a couple of agenda behind this.

I would like to know what real "compensation"/"reward" is tied to the poll outcomes. Call me cynical, but I think there is some $$ bandied around based on how many of Hillary's supporters in a controlled set of 2000 move over to McCain. Otherwise, it is highly unusual to run a controlled "n" survey; it is usually a specific number but a variable target set.

[Golden_Pursuit]

The primaries is very small % of total GE vote. Hillary had 18 million votes. 42% not supporting is ~7 million. 2004 had turnout of 124 million. I think it will be higher this year. Maybe 130-140 million. So 7 mil is less than 5% of the vote.

Now I am not saying PUMA aren't making a difference. You are. You all rock. If 100% of Hillary voters were behind Obama he would be up another 5% in the polls. I am just saying it is possible to 50% w/o them.

95% of voter are "non-PUMA". Say that 95% is split 52%/43% Now add the 5% to McCain = 52%/48%.

Sorry for the ramble. BTW I don't think the polls are accurate. They are too heavily weighting dems. I think media is just trying to pound home that the one has already won to reduce McCain turnout.

I think you should note the disparity of voters in the primaries as compared to the amount of voters in the general election. So assuming the amount of people who participate in the general election are just double the amount of those who participate in the primaries (its probably more), than the number of PUMAS would be 14 million and account for almost 10 % the voting public, and thats a lot. And lets not forget all the PUMA base made up of disaffected Obama supporters with buyer's remorse and of course, those who didn't participate in the primaries.

[NewHamster]

We are the "gotta have" demographic! Hey, the Dem party said "We don't need you (the old base)" So what's the goddamn problem? We arn't some cheap date that you can talk s**t to, not buy dinner, call rude names and then expect us PUT OUT for you. Go call a stupid teenager...they have way lower expectations.

:D All true, and made me laugh.

As for the racist crap, remember now the strategy is to try to make us think that everyone will think we are racists if we don't support BO, so we are embarrassed not to. It IS interesting that no one comes up with any other reality-based reason why we might not support him.

[efemall]

The Obot line of thinking is that Obama and Hillary are virtually identical policy-wise, so any dissent is chalked up to racism. (no pun)

[lanney]

The Obot line of thinking is that Obama and Hillary are virtually identical policy-wise, so any dissent is chalked up to racism. (no pun)
Hillary pastor is not Rev Wright, Hillary good friend is not unrepented terrorist Ayers. Hillary is not community aggitator.
Hillary is experienced woman not like empty suit Obama.

[SantaCruzen]

Alan Warms saying that we are not voting for Obama because race is a factor. Again with the racist crap?

The President Race! LOL

[evolin]

The Obot line of thinking is that Obama and Hillary are virtually identical policy-wise, so any dissent is chalked up to racism. (no pun)
Well he tried to mimic and copy all her programs, but he is not Hillary and does not have the background, character and depth to carry them through. Gosh, it is so unfair to have a cheap imitation and imposter as the standard bearer for the Democratic party. The imitation so glaringly deficient that we must vote for the opposition party; vote for the only viable candidate who can be trusted. A candidate who differs from us on some issues, but loves our country and is honest and decent.
And yes I want to punish the corrupt DNC and remove the corrupt members.

[Frances]

They can't figure us out, yet they know race is a factor. They just want everybody to know race is what matters.

[SantaCruzen]

The primaries is very small % of total GE vote. Hillary had 18 million votes. 42% not supporting is ~7 million. 2004 had turnout of 124 million. I think it will be higher this year. Maybe 130-140 million. So 7 mil is less than 5% of the vote.

Now I am not saying PUMA aren't making a difference. You are. You all rock. If 100% of Hillary voters were behind Obama he would be up another 5% in the polls. I am just saying it is possible to 50% w/o them.

95% of voter are "non-PUMA". Say that 95% is split 52%/43% Now add the 5% to McCain = 52%/48%.

Sorry for the ramble. BTW I don't think the polls are accurate. They are too heavily weighting dems. I think media is just trying to pound home that the one has already won to reduce McCain turnout.

The PUMA made it clear that the Democratic Primary was Rigged. Behind the Scenes, Puma did the research that made the Logical Arguments that are Actually Being Used on the McCain Advertising on TV. We made sure that we followed every thing every day and every waking hour. We had PUMA online until the wee hours of the night.

There was a time when I set my cellphone to 5/6am and woke did web searches on the cellphone. When I had the latest news, I would throw those headlines up here. Everyone who was doing that digged into the depths of research which brought up the issues like the Curtain Time for Obama. We were logging onto the democrats.org and standing up for our candidate against persecution to the nth degree. That was at a time that McCain was invisible.

When it came down to the end of our Primary, McCain sent his advisors to us.

PUMA all know that Hillary Clinton would have handily won the GE.

[Merrick98]

I went around the country and told voters if bo won... the hillary voters will not support him. I told them flat out do u want hillary or john. I told them remeber this day i warned you when jm takes office and your family suffers know i will be in tx singing i told u so cuz u could have had hillary.

[hills]

That really pisses me off! They say Hillary supporters are twice as likely to use derogatory terms to describe minorities. What a load of crap!

Unless of course they mean we use derogatory terms to describe OBAMA. Terms like "pompous", "egotistical", "narcissistic", and "inexperienced". Does that count?

I wonder if they know that many minority supporters were apart of Hillary's coalition.

[foxyladi]

I thought that is what I heard. My husband and I, turned to each other and said, did they say she is creating a problem for Obama, at the same time. Now we know.

thats our girl....:D:D:D

[Christines]

I think some are twisting the polls.

[PALIN08HILL12]

Yes Yes Yes..im At Work So I Cant Watch Greta But I Love It Go Puma! Go Hillary Supporters! Were Staying Strong For Our Girl! Hell-no To Bo! I Think This Has Sent Hill A Message Too That Even Though She Urges Us To Vote Bo That At Least Half Of Her 18million Are Still With Her And Only Her No Matter What And I Think It Shows Her That We Will Be With Her In 2012 Too And We Are Putting Country Not Party First! 40 Days To Go! Guess What Though, I Had A Thought, After Obama Loses And At Least Half Of Hill Suppporters Have Voted Mccain, The Obamabots Will Try To Blame His Lose On Her! Its Ok Though Us And Hill Have Been Through It All, We'll Survive And 2012 Is Redemption!

[Bitter&Clinging]

The MSM talks about everything but how Obama "won"

Race matters to me, Not Obama's race, But the Primary Race.

I'm old-fashioned, my Vote is Sacred (and mine)

My Motto:
One Vote for John McCain is 2 Votes against Barack Obama
One Vote Obama does not get, and
One Vote that Obama's strongest rivals does get,
To make sure McCain receives More Votes than Obama