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09-30-2008, 12:05 AM
http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/attention-all-eeyores-stop-getting-yourselves-all-worked-up-for-nothing/
We’ve always been very upfront around here that we have no tolerance for Eeyores — that’s what we call people who listen to the MSM’s propaganda and run around screaming things like, “It’s over!”, “SoetorObama will win in a landslide!”, “MSNBC says there’s no way SoetorObama can’t lose!”.
The Maistream Media (MSM) in this country is as reliable as Tokyo Rose in terms of this election — and the polls people cite claiming SoetorObama is winning states like Virginia, North Carolina, and Indiana don’t factor in upwards of 10-12% “undecided” that will go to McCain 70-30, if not 80-20 (even Chuck Todd from MSNBC said this, and we about fell off our chair when we saw he admitted it). The polls are also oversampling both black voters and Democrats, which we believe makes all three of the states above McCain wins on Election Day.
The MSM is doing a very effective job for SoetorObama in one respect: it is really good at freaking Eeyores out. These are the same Eeyores who would listen to the mainstream media during the primaries and would email or call us nonstop in the days before Ohio/Texas, Indiana, and even Super Tuesday, frantic the MSM said SoetorObama would win states like California, New Jersey, and even New York. Of course, Clinton triumphed in all of those.
We believe the MSM wasn’t even trying to convince new voters “to come to SoetorObama” by doing all of this. The goal has always been to freak out Eeyores and throw their game off, keep them from working effectively, first for Hillary and now for McCain, by wasting all of their time and energy freaking out, and depressing the people around them.
Well, people, it’s tough love time.
Right now, we’re taking time writing a post directed at Eeyores when we could be working on several other projects we have to help McCain win this — so Eeyores are taking us away from something more important, to spend these few minutes reassuring them, yet again, that the MSM’s propaganda aren’t true. It’s counter-productive, so in the future, please expect a repost of what we’ve said here as we are no longer going to indulge Eeyores with more pep talks. You are grown adults and should be able to remember back through the primaries to every other time you freaked out about the MSM’s predictions of “landslide wins” for SoetorObama in states Hillary Clinton won — and more often than not won decisively.
If we ever for a moment thought SoetorObama was going to win this election, believe us, we will tell you. We will shout it from the mountain top that he was going to win, that we’ve been wrong all this time, and that now the focus should be on trying to do whatever is possible to prevent SoetorObama from bringing too many of his radical kooks and loons to Washington with him. We would completely refocus our strategy into areas we can have the most impact — because we have never believed in wasting time or energy we often can’t afford to waste, when we think something is futile.
McCain/Palin will defeat SoetorObamaBiden on November 4th. We’re as sure of that as we were telling Eeyores back in February that Hillary Clinton would win California, New York, New Jersey, and Massachusetts, when the MSM kept saying she would lose all of those. We’re as sure of McCain’s win as we were in March when the MSM said SoetorObama would win Ohio/Texas, but Clinton prevailed like we knew she would. We’re as sure of SoetorObama’s defeat in November as we were in Clinton’s win in Indiana’s primary — and we knew that would be a close win, but a win nonetheless.
McCain/Palin will win the general election with a margin greater than Bush’s win over Kerry and Gore, but less than the margin of either Bill Clinton’s or George H. W. Bush’s wins. It will be around 300 for McCain, and around 217 or so for SoetorObama.
Instead of putting your energy into freakouts, why not put it into phonebanking or canvassing?
Why not take your Eeyore energy and logically pick apart the stories or polls that have you freaked out to see where they are flawed? Everyone can do this on their own — you don’t have to wait for us, or www.NoQuarterUSA.net, or the www.HillaryClintonForum.net to do it for you.
But, to give them a plug, once again, www.HillaryClintonFOrum.net is the very BEST place to say up on things in this election. With something like 5,000 users, every story you need to see in a day will be covered there, with comments and analysis from people who have been following this election obsessively for almost two years now. These people are experts on all of this, and quickly debunk all the MSM propaganda moments after it comes out.
It is the Radio Free Europe and Radio Free America to counter the MSM’s SoetorObama Rose. Make www.HillaryClintonForum.net a regular part of your day, and you will have far fewer rain clouds in your day.
For instance, here’s just one Eeyore-antidote article we found up on www.HillaryClintonForum.net today to give you an idea of what resources are available to counter any MSM-induced freakouts.
Obama’s Bounce: Dead Cat or Trend?
VIA TownhallBlog
Aided by a MSM willing to say whatever it has to say to help Obama make it to 1600, the democratic nominee has not yet been hurt by his very poor performance on Friday night’s debate. Weekend talking heads chanting “ties go to the winner” nonsense and the output of loyalists like E.J. Dionne are trying to make Obama’s halting answers on Iraq, Pakistan and especially North Korea seem like C-minuses on a pass-fail test. The cringe-inducing bracelet moment has surfaced in just a few places, and McCain’s dominance on the facts concerning Russia and his memorable “You don’t do that” dismissal of Obama’s threats towards our ally in Pakistan will get their full play this morning on all the talk shows, and of course Bill Bennett’s, Rush’s, Dennis’, Sean’s, Michael’s, Mark’s and my reach will instantly overshadow all the work done by CNN and the nets to spin this into “a draw that helps the rookie.”
Obama doesn’t know what he’s talking about on the perils we face abroad, and he was led around by the hand on the bailout package. He is a figurehead for Democratic party elites from the hard left edge of the party. While the financial panic erased McCain’s momentum by taking the real reform message off the front pages, it will be back as markets settle. The focus on the triggers of the crisis –look to Barney Frank and Chris Dodd and the friends of Bill Clinton– can’t be bottled up now that the legislation is in place. The idea of turning all parts of the government over to the gang that engineered the structure that brought it upon us is so absurd that only the MSM can ignore it, not voters.
Obama’s nearly 5 point lead in the RCP combined poll average has many nervous e-mailers sending me “it’s over” e-mails, but of course it is just beginning, and the deep uncertainty and fear in the country doesn’t help an untested Chicago machine pol much if at all or for long. (The Battleground dead-heat numbers should encourage the worriers, as it is a long reliable and respected poll, though so are Gallup and Rasmussen with their 8 and 6 point Obama leads.)
The Palin pile-on from the the Manhattan-Beltway media elite also is working a strange and important reaction in the electorate, driving liberals deeper into their blind hate of the accomplished and popular governor, and rallying the conservative base to her cause. The cultural divide in the country –obscured by the financial mess– didn’t go away, and it will dominate this week and weekend.
Palin faces an enormous challenge, just as she did on the night of her acceptance speech. She will not be graded on the curve by the MSM as Obama was.
But she does believe the right things, and understands the crucial choice facing the country. These are significant advantages. And if the momentum reverses itself again as is likely, Sarah Palin’s performance Thursday night will be the third time she has re-energized the McCain campaign.
Ca Teacher
09-30-2008, 12:09 AM
thank you very much.
The Republicans I know say that the MSM always does this to them in the polls--ie--they predicted Kerry would win too (and Bush won quite easily).
So yes--I agree people should not let the polls get under their skin.
Horizon
09-30-2008, 12:09 AM
Good Post.Everyone is acting like the sky is falling.It's not.I think our fellow Americans are way smarter than we are giving them credit for.The MSM is spinning this very well and a majority of us are eating it up.STOP.IT.NOW.
nette60
09-30-2008, 12:17 AM
Nice comments about the forum...we need to thank Murray and each other....
Good Post.Everyone is acting like the sky is falling.It's not.I think our fellow Americans are way smarter than we are giving them credit for.The MSM is spinning this very well and a majority of us are eating it up.STOP.IT.NOW.
I.AGREE! :)
Bad Kitty
09-30-2008, 12:19 AM
Good Post.Everyone is acting like the sky is falling.It's not.I think our fellow Americans are way smarter than we are giving them credit for.The MSM is spinning this very well and a majority of us are eating it up.STOP.IT.NOW.
AGREE!! 100%!
ragdoll
09-30-2008, 12:21 AM
Thank you! I have posted on a couple already that were looking like the sad sacks of the forum. Do not give up! Our enemies come here and feed off these negative comments. We should stay as positive as we can and give support to all who come here for information and opinions. I may feel like things are not going as well as I would like, but I know better than to believe the polls and the media. If there is any truth to any of them, than we should be working even harder to stop Obama. We can do this together!
Come on everybody! I say, NO MORE! What about you?
PalinPower
09-30-2008, 12:21 AM
I am definitely not giving up now.
Although I have been in the dumps for several days due to McCain's seemingly declining poll numbers I keep getting the feeling the something fishy has been going on and McCain is actually ahead. It's NOT wishful thinking, but rather a gut feeling that more people will vote for McCain than we are being lead to believe. I also believe that most Americans actually think McCain won the debate, and are accutely aware of the anti-Palin media bias.
I was in the grocery store a couple of days ago. There was a magazine with Michelle Obama on the cover (pro-Obama of course). Plenty of them in stock. There was also the "Globe" tabloid with "Sarah Palin Sex Scandal" on the front. Plenty of those in stock too. However, The "Examiner" tabloid had an Obama smear on the front page! It was the photo of Obama dressed in Muslim garb with the headline "proof Obama is a Muslim" and guess what? ... THERE WAS ONLY ONE LEFT!!
I would have bought it to give them the sale but I wanted to make sure everyone else could see it!
hipelayne
09-30-2008, 12:22 AM
Nice comments about the forum...we need to thank Murray and each other....
Very nice comments - thanks everyone - let's get to work to get McCain/Palin elected!
Steve in PA
09-30-2008, 07:33 AM
I'm ashamed to admit, I was pretty depressed Sunday. I hated the way the media was slamming McCain. To believe their side of it, McCain was butting in and creating a rift to the done deal that was supposed to save the country's financial system.
I wasn't depressed because of McCain's actions. In essence, I believe he wanted the House Republicans, who were saying no deal themselves, to have a voice that no one had heard up until then. I was depressed at the media spin.
Shame on me.
The original bill, with its $100 million for ACORN, was another bad example of the liberal left trying to ram through their agenda with no concern for their country. I'm glad McCain intervened.
The irony is that after reading a few posts like this, I've been renewed. My new mantra in winning over converts will be, "Do you know what a community organizer is? It's a person who forces banks to give bad loans to people who don't qualify for them. Look at the mess it's caused."
If you look at the laws passed, they did make it possible for people especially minorities to get homes. The problem is that it was assumed that banks would still have some standards about how much they would give. Wrong. Real estate was hot and safe, so here "try an interest-only ARM loan and just sell when the property doubles in value." It took 10 years, but the system crashed.
Way to go, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. Watch the videos in other links. It was the Democrats who were insulted that those entities would even been questioned by McCain as early as 2003.
We can win. McCain / Palin 2008! Hillary 2012!
NSTYLE77
09-30-2008, 07:58 AM
Dont forget, this is the same MSM that said mccain's campaign was dead last year. We all know how right they were about that. :)
JoanneGreco
09-30-2008, 08:11 AM
Yes! I agree! Never give up. The election is very close.
Today:
1. Go to http://digg.com and vote on stories that expose Obama for what he really is.
2. Comment on blogs that are writing the truth about Obama. Start at http://hotair.com.
3. Write a short article and send it to the "voice of the people" section of your newspaper. Ask for help here if you need assistance getting your thoughts on paper.
:)
Perry Logan
09-30-2008, 08:28 AM
With respect, I object to the author's approach.
It essentially says "Anyone who doesn't see things my way is a jerk," which is neither a diplomatic nor an effective way of winning someone over.
Aren't we all sick of people who slap us with an ad hominem label the minute we disagree with them? Right-wingers do this when they call you a communist or a socialist at the drop of a hat. Conspiracy buffs do it when they call anyone who disagrees with their brilliant theories a CIA agent or a "sheeple." And of course, the Obama gang do it constantly when they call everyone racists.
In my opinion, name-calling is gross and is a sure sign of rotten politics.
And now we find that--if we don't quite agree with the party line--we are "Eeyores."
Sure, being called an Eeyore is a lot nicer than being called a racist or a commie. But it's still a bad way to browbeat people into agreeing with you.
The essay suggests we should not voice our opinions about the election if they run counter to the author's views. This is not good.
mjoynaples
09-30-2008, 08:37 AM
Very nice comments - thanks everyone - let's get to work to get McCain/Palin elected!
and in particular Rachel M? is she starting to look like KOlbermann? she sounds like him ... she sure wants to BLAME McC for the economic situation ... don't these media types have access to the same videos and past captiol hill meetings where we heard folks like BARNEY FRANK and the rest of them go after the messengers of doom and gloom on Freddie and Fanny as if they were selling snack oil... and it turns out the bashes of the messengers were the ones selling us the b.s....
it seems as if this political season what is true is false and what is false is true... so in light of that I would say McCain is going to win by a landslide...
HOPING and working toward PLAN B... all the way ....
and thanks Muzza for this place of sanity.... where there is help to see through all the crap... PLAN B... to Plan C 2012!!!
Linda C
09-30-2008, 08:49 AM
This election is going to be very close and unknown to the very end. With the Republicans backing out on this bill and blaming Nancy Pelosi's "speech" is not going to go over well. Let's see what progresses from here on out.
The democrats that did not support the bill had very specific reasons for not doing so. However, to have a ranking Republican blame it on "partisanship" while every on is going over the drink comes off as petty and superficial.
This is different than than 9/11 crash and the dot com crash. The credit markets are frozen. This was not the case in the previous stock market downturns. Even the S&L debacle did not freeze the credit markets.
This one bill is not going to solve the problems we have. We still have substantial debt floating about that cannot be paid that is beyond initial "bad mortgages". Some can blame the ne'er do well poor people wanting more than what they can rightfully have, but look at the amount of "money" that isn't really there being played on Wall Street with credit derivative swaps.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8634
The sacrosanct free market would supposedly regulate itself. The problem with that approach is that regulations are just rules. If there are no rules, the players can cheat; and cheat they have, with a gambler's addiction. In December 2007, the Bank for International Settlements reported derivative trades tallying in at $681 trillion - ten times the gross domestic product of all the countries in the world combined. Somebody is obviously bluffing about the money being brought to the game, and that realization has made for some very jittery markets.
Credit default swaps are the most widely traded form of credit derivative. They are bets between two parties on whether or not a company will default on its bonds. In a typical default swap, the “protection buyer” gets a large payoff if the company defaults within a certain period of time, while the “protection seller” collects periodic payments for assuming the risk of default.
CDS thus resemble insurance policies, but there is no requirement to actually hold any asset or suffer any loss, so CDS are widely used just to speculate on market changes. In one blogger's example, a hedge fund wanting to increase its profits could sit back and collect $320,000 a year in premiums just for selling “protection” on a risky BBB junk bond. The premiums are “free” money - free until the bond actually goes into default, when the hedge fund could be on the hook for $100 million in claims. And there's the catch: what if the hedge fund doesn't have the $100 million? The fund's corporate shell or limited partnership is put into bankruptcy, but that hardly helps the “protection buyers” who thought they were covered.
To the extent that CDS are being sold as “insurance,” they are looking more like insurance fraud;
freethinker
09-30-2008, 10:21 AM
Thanks for another great post and shout out Hillbuzz!
reddirtgirl
09-30-2008, 11:19 AM
I was in the grocery store a couple of days ago. There was a magazine with Michelle Obama on the cover (pro-Obama of course). Plenty of them in stock. There was also the "Globe" tabloid with "Sarah Palin Sex Scandal" on the front. Plenty of those in stock too. However, The "Examiner" tabloid had an Obama smear on the front page! It was the photo of Obama dressed in Muslim garb with the headline "proof Obama is a Muslim" and guess what? ... THERE WAS ONLY ONE LEFT!!
I would have bought it to give them the sale but I wanted to make sure everyone else could see it!
ROTFL!! Thanks for that story!:D
AnnaB
09-30-2008, 12:22 PM
I hope that every member in this forum reads this post. We need to turn our energy into positive action, and not let the MSM pollute our minds.
daniperez
09-30-2008, 12:57 PM
thanks for the awesome post.
Come on Hillsters & McPalin peeps -- like Bill Clinton says, politics is a contact sport, not for the faint of heart, so....."saddle-up"!!!!!
Bacio83
09-30-2008, 01:59 PM
Ya know I take offense to this as an avid Eeyore lover I like his "Oh bother" attitude. :p LOL thanks for the pep talk I just tell my mother to stop watching TV...
http://alaynaroxursox.wikispaces.com/file/view/Eeyore.jpeg
OkieforHRC2008
09-30-2008, 02:01 PM
Ya know I take offense to this as an avid Eeyore lover I like his "Oh bother" attitude. :p LOL thanks for the pep talk I just tell my mother to stop watching TV...
http://alaynaroxursox.wikispaces.com/file/view/Eeyore.jpeg
I'm a big Eeyore fan too. I love the rare times he actually smiles cause then you know it's gotta be good. Let's all hope the Eeyores start smiling.
TexasFlower
09-30-2008, 02:25 PM
I admit I got depressed. :(
I guess it's just the fear that voters are dumb enough to believe the spin coming from the MSM. I don't know many people who research online the way people on this forum do!
But, no matter how depressed I feel I'm still showing up at the polls.
maximuss
09-30-2008, 02:37 PM
Great Article . These days remind me of the few weeks before the Texas/Ohio primaries. The MSM had predicted doom for Hillary but her fans never gave up. I am guilty of this also, but i will not post anymore articles about media bias.Everyone in this forum knows the truth , so there is no point wasting time with them when i could do other things to help McCain/Palin
dillian
09-30-2008, 02:37 PM
I'm a big Eeyore fan too. I love the rare times he actually smiles cause then you know it's gotta be good. Let's all hope the Eeyores start smiling.
I also love Eeyore so please stop using him to prove a point!
kathleen
09-30-2008, 02:44 PM
My brother is a hard core republican and he said the MSM has always done this so he wasn't rattled. But I did notice he was a bit bugged with Mccain not fighting harder. The MSM isn't rattling him. McCain's lack of initiative IS rattling him. He's not looking too happy or confident.
My brother is usually a cocky, over confident SOB. (I say that lovingly. :p) He did tell me that McCains passivity is uncommon amongst republicans. He put it this way..."Since we're always accused of going for the jugular, even when we don't...in the end we wind up going for the jugular to show them what going for the jugualr actually looks like."
Maybe my brother should take over Mccain's campaign. :D
kathleen
09-30-2008, 02:45 PM
I also love Eeyore so please stop using him to prove a point!
Me Toooooo! I have 3 eeyore shirts, eeyore gym shorts, an eeyore purse, and eeyore wallet, an eeyore figurine and an eeyore stuffed doll! :D
cindyb
09-30-2008, 02:47 PM
Thank you for posting this thread, I needed it.
Skylight
09-30-2008, 02:49 PM
Are these polls like the college football polls? Just about as reliable. My only concern is voter fraud.
Annie
09-30-2008, 02:51 PM
I hope that every member in this forum reads this post. We need to turn our energy into positive action, and not let the MSM pollute our minds.
Read it.... and I congratulate the author on a well thought out missive. Positive action is the way to go... the only way. Thanks Hillbuz for posting it.
Don't turn on MSM... why would you...? You don't smoke anymore because you love your pink lungs and want them to stay that way ... you don't do drugs (hopefully)..as you don't want to be addicted and unable to reason with clear thoughts... and among other don'ts... you never want to be part of a cult - giving up your mind and soul to a master manipulator who will only use them for his/her own ends... So it's easy - just don't turn on MSM.
Cheers! :D
Horizon
09-30-2008, 02:52 PM
My brother is a hard core republican and he said the MSM has always done this so he wasn't rattled. But I did notice he was a bit bugged with Mccain not fighting harder. The MSM isn't rattling him. McCain's lack of initiative IS rattling him. He's not looking too happy or confident.
My brother is usually a cocky, over confident SOB. (I say that lovingly. :p) He did tell me that McCains passivity is uncommon amongst republicans. He put it this way..."Since we're always accused of going for the jugular, even when we don't...in the end we wind up going for the jugular to show them what going for the jugualr actually looks like."
Maybe my brother should take over Mccain's campaign. :D
Based on his comments alone,he can use me as a reference!!!
Vinnster
09-30-2008, 03:22 PM
As a Republican I would like to calm you fears. What is happening is nothing new or different than happens in every election. The reason so many of you are shocked and nervous is because, as most here now admit, this is the first time you realized how the MSM works and has worked for the last 40 years. You have never been on the receiving end of their negative propaganda. This is normal.
In every election since the 60s the Democrat is a saint and the Republican is a racist devil hell bent on keeping everyone poor and keeping a few rich.
As the author eluded to, the polls are always off by a factor or 2-3 % in favor of the Democrat. I suspect they are off by 4-5% this year. As long as the polls are within those ranges McCain still will win.
As an example. We all know the pollsters weigh there samples with something like 38% Dems 34% Rep 28% Ind. It means for a sample included in a poll of 1000 380 Dems, 340 Rep, and 280 Ind. But what no poll can ever reflect is the effect of turnout. Suppose in a given state Palin has inspired a lot of Rep. to vote for McCain that would have voted for a third party (I am one). Will the poll pick up the thousands that will now vote for McCain, no. Remember they restrict the Rep. included to 38%. If 100% said they were voting for McCain it still does not include or reflect the additional Rep. that changed their minds.
So again, if McCain is down by 2-3% on election day he will win. Actually, I like him being down by 2-3% because it will cause more Rep. to turn out to vote. I love the "BO by a landslide talk", because that will make the laziest BO backers stay home.
abigailadams
09-30-2008, 03:26 PM
thank you very much.
The Republicans I know say that the MSM always does this to them in the polls--ie--they predicted Kerry would win too (and Bush won quite easily).
So yes--I agree people should not let the polls get under their skin.
Yes, I remember being so confident about Kerry winning. I had people calling me in the evening on election day worried about seeing states turn red on the television.
I kept saying "Relax, Kerry will win."
I said that because I saw the polls.
abigailadams
09-30-2008, 03:29 PM
As a Republican I would like to calm you fears. What is happening is nothing new or different than happens in every election. The reason so many of you are shocked and nervous is because, as most here now admit, this is the first time you realized how the MSM works and has worked for the last 40 years. You have never been on the receiving end of their negative propaganda. This is normal.
In every election since the 60s the Democrat is a saint and the Republican is a racist devil hell bent on keeping everyone poor and keeping a few rich.
As the author eluded to, the polls are always off by a factor or 2-3 % in favor of the Democrat. I suspect they are off by 4-5% this year. As long as the polls are within those ranges McCain still will win.
As an example. We all know the pollsters weigh there samples with something like 38% Dems 34% Rep 28% Ind. It means for a sample included in a poll of 1000 380 Dems, 340 Rep, and 280 Ind. But what no poll can ever reflect is the effect of turnout. Suppose in a given state Palin has inspired a lot of Rep. to vote for McCain that would have voted for a third party (I am one). Will the poll pick up the thousands that will now vote for McCain, no. Remember they restrict the Rep. included to 38%. If 100% said they were voting for McCain it still does not include or reflect the additional Rep. that changed their minds.
So again, if McCain is down by 2-3% on election day he will win. Actually, I like him being down by 2-3% because it will cause more Rep. to turn out to vote. I love the "BO by a landslide talk", because that will make the laziest BO backers stay home.
I really appreicate this post. Yes, I agree with you. For the first time I have seen the MSM working. As a lifelong Dem I am shocked (and saddened) at what I am seeing.
My liberal friends who think I am nuts for voting McCain are watching a steady stream of CNN and MSNBC. I can say that those friends are the ones with the least amount of facts about Barack. They are the least informed of my circle of friends and colleagues.
Agains, my eyes have been opened.
Thanks for the information inthe post.
Horizon
09-30-2008, 03:37 PM
As a Republican I would like to calm you fears. What is happening is nothing new or different than happens in every election. The reason so many of you are shocked and nervous is because, as most here now admit, this is the first time you realized how the MSM works and has worked for the last 40 years. You have never been on the receiving end of their negative propaganda. This is normal.
I think Vinnie is on to something.After some soul searching,I have to admit.....He's right.As Democrats,we have never experienced this before.This is akin to the shock at how Hillary was treated,remember???
We have always been the ones doing the bashing,not being bashed,by the MSM.If we were all on our normal wavelength we would think all was right with the world and go on about our normal business.
hipelayne
09-30-2008, 03:41 PM
and in particular Rachel M? is she starting to look like KOlbermann? she sounds like him ... she sure wants to BLAME McC for the economic situation ... don't these media types have access to the same videos and past captiol hill meetings where we heard folks like BARNEY FRANK and the rest of them go after the messengers of doom and gloom on Freddie and Fanny as if they were selling snack oil... and it turns out the bashes of the messengers were the ones selling us the b.s....
it seems as if this political season what is true is false and what is false is true... so in light of that I would say McCain is going to win by a landslide...
HOPING and working toward PLAN B... all the way ....
and thanks Muzza for this place of sanity.... where there is help to see through all the crap... PLAN B... to Plan C 2012!!!
I was just agreeing with nette that there were some nice comments about the forum and tried to rally the troops. To be honest I didn't read the whole article, it was too long for me I didn't have the time. I'll be more careful in the future!
foxyladi
09-30-2008, 04:57 PM
Good Post.Everyone is acting like the sky is falling.It's not.I think our fellow Americans are way smarter than we are giving them credit for.The MSM is spinning this very well and a majority of us are eating it up.STOP.IT.NOW.
not quite time to dig my jar of quarters up that i was saving for a rainy day;lol..:D:D
Mom4Hillary
09-30-2008, 04:59 PM
Well HillBuzz does it again. How did they know that I was slipping back into my Eeyore persona like I did several times during the primary races? Thanks HillBuzz. I needed that.
ssmith
09-30-2008, 05:16 PM
anyrepubs:
WHY AREN"T YOU GUYS FIGHTING HARDER?!??!!?
I like McPalin, I have never ever ever voted for a repub.. I spend time at my local repub office helping McPalin!!! (I have to say, very polite, very nice people.. very eye opening for me...)
PLEASE TELL ME REPUBS YOU GUYS WILL GO AFTER THIS MAN WHO CARES NOTHING ABOUT OUR GREAT COUNTRY!!!?!?!
these polls are still freaking me out..
and HillBuzz is right, maybe b/c I was voting for kerry (that dirtbag!) in 2004, and I agreed with the media in 2004 I didn't see the bias.. NOW I DO!!!!!!!!!!!!
PLEASE REPUBS I BEG GO AFTER BO! there is so so so so much!!!
for the sake of this country....
if a hillary dem like me can enthusuastically vote and campaign for McPalin.. I hope you guys will do your part!
Christines
09-30-2008, 05:25 PM
Thank you!
Every single person on this forum should read this. We have to read this and act accordingly. Instead of crying the sky is falling let's call on the phone banks and canvass and monitor the polls.
kathleen
09-30-2008, 05:27 PM
The good news.....Dick Morris is saying McCain will lose! He's ALWAY'S WRONG! :)
kathleen
09-30-2008, 05:29 PM
Based on his comments alone,he can use me as a reference!!!
I passes your comments on to my brother. We both got a good belly laugh out of that! :D
Peppermint Patty
09-30-2008, 05:48 PM
Great post! Stop paying attention to the facaca POLLS!!! They are run by the powers that be!!!
If this doesn't convince you the MSM is wholeheartedly in the tank then nothing will:
September 29, 2008
A READER AT A MAJOR NEWSROOM EMAILS: "Off the record, every suspicion you have about MSM being in the tank for O is true. We have a team of 4 people going thru dumpsters in Alaska and 4 in arizona. Not a single one looking into Acorn, Ayers or Freddiemae. Editor refuses to publish anything that would jeopardize election for O, and betting you dollars to donuts same is true at NYT, others. People cheer when CNN or NBC run another Palin-mocking but raising any reasonable inquiry into obama is derided or flat out ignored. The fix is in, and its working." I asked permission to reprint without attribution and it was granted.
UPDATE: The Anchoress hears similar things. And reader Eric Schubert: "The Edwards debacle was proof enough of where the heart of the MSM lies, and lack of curiousity of the press about Edwards probably cost Hillary the nomination. And that shameful episode offers a warning to the MSM. What if Obama does have a skeleton in his closet (such as a shady deal or outright bribe) that is revealed after he wins the election? While the chance of this scenario is remote, imagine the backlash against the MSM if it could be shown that a reasonable investigation by the MSM would have easily revealed this secret to the public prior to the election?"
http://www.pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/archives2/025096.php
Nothing they say will be detrimental to BO including any bad polls numbers.
Get on the phones, forward stories to FoxNews and Hannity and be proactive instead of worrying.
CT-Hilltopper
09-30-2008, 06:03 PM
Great post! Stop paying attention to the facaca POLLS!!! They are run by the powers that be!!!
If this doesn't convince you the MSM is wholeheartedly in the tank then nothing will:
http://www.pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/archives2/025096.php
Nothing they say will be detrimental to BO including any bad polls numbers.
Get on the phones, forward stories to FoxNews and Hannity and be proactive instead of worrying.
Don't believe in the polls, people.
McCain will win this election, and he will win it handily.
I haven't seen anything that is telling me otherwise.
Obama isn't exactly blowing people away here.
Keep your chin up and keep on believing.
ssmith
09-30-2008, 06:09 PM
it just makes me question the polls even more?!?!
Charlie Brown
09-30-2008, 06:22 PM
Ya know I take offense to this as an avid Eeyore lover I like his "Oh bother" attitude. :p LOL thanks for the pep talk I just tell my mother to stop watching TV...
http://alaynaroxursox.wikispaces.com/file/view/Eeyore.jpeg
I Love Eeyore also but its a time for "Tigger" up beat energy...I stayed off here today because things were very depressing yesterday...I was feeling like we didnt have a prayers chance in H*ll...But Im glad to see Hillbuzz smack us all back to reality...Thanks buddy...;)
ssmith
09-30-2008, 08:38 PM
bump
mavfin
09-30-2008, 08:59 PM
As far as polls, I mostly ignore them, and, they all have a pretty good margin of error, especially where Obama is concerned, as we well know from the primaries.
And don't forget this picture (http://www.seanet.com/~jimxc/Politics/dewey_defeats_truman1.jpg).
buffaloboy
09-30-2008, 10:32 PM
My brother is a hard core republican and he said the MSM has always done this so he wasn't rattled. But I did notice he was a bit bugged with Mccain not fighting harder. The MSM isn't rattling him. McCain's lack of initiative IS rattling him. He's not looking too happy or confident.
My brother is usually a cocky, over confident SOB. (I say that lovingly. :p) He did tell me that McCains passivity is uncommon amongst republicans. He put it this way..."Since we're always accused of going for the jugular, even when we don't...in the end we wind up going for the jugular to show them what going for the jugualr actually looks like."
Maybe my brother should take over Mccain's campaign. :D
I don't agree with that analysis. I think the issue is that John McCain really is trying to accomplish a bi-partisan solution to this financial crisis, and partisan bomb-throwing (see Pelosi, Nancy) in the middle of trying to work out a bi-partisan deal is dumb.
Obama has spent the past week campaigning full time, while John McCain has spent most of the last week being a US Senator.
Once the deal is done, you'll hear a lot of references to "Just call me if you need me."
mjno7777
09-30-2008, 11:31 PM
Right on. PUT OUR ENERGY into phone banks and CANVASSING. This is what we must do for the next few weeks til the big day, let's IGNORE THE POLLS.
Work PA and OHIO extra.
Hillarysmygirl08
09-30-2008, 11:34 PM
That is what I have been saying for a long time. I know the media always does this to the Republicans and they are used to it. I have no trust in the media but I trust my own knowledge of politics. I know the Media always spins in favor of the Democrats and only one Democrat has been sucessful.
That's what ticks me off about this whole election Hillary is October surprise proof. Obama is a land mind.
chris.y
10-01-2008, 12:46 AM
As a Republican who has voted down the party line his whole voting life, I agree that this is nothing new.
One thing I have noticed is that people who would be on the fence, or merely Bush bashers looking for revenge (I won't defend him here and the call for the bailout was the last straw IMHO) are actually listening to the issues and taking a second look. Contrary to what the MSM reports, the public opinion out here in LALA-land is willing to listen and make their own judgments.
I don't think you guys need to take an aggressive approach with this; we just need to present a unified front that is welcoming and open to debate.
In other words, don't feed the machine, and make it easy for them to jump on board with us.
Kbentleyis
10-01-2008, 01:53 AM
I am little guilty myself, but we all know about CNN and MSN, however they have a way of pissing me off more than bringing me down?
Vinnster
10-01-2008, 07:04 AM
I can say that those friends are the ones with the least amount of facts about Barack. They are the least informed of my circle of friends and colleagues.
Not to hijack the thread, but you make a very enlighten statement. I encourage all here to think about that statement. Historically, Liberals and Democrats see themselves as the Intellectuals and the common voting Conservative as dumb uninformed hayseed. They do not do think this way out of a superiority complex, but do so because their basic belief system and facts about the world was and is reinforced everyday by the MSM as being accurate, correct and normal.
Imagine our frustration when dealing with folks who believe themselves the "informed and intellectuals" when we could see them being snookered by the MSM. Our characterization of Liberals and Democrats living in LALA-LAND is a direct result watching folks who thought themselves "The smart ones" getting conned by the press.
I am very encouraged by what I read here about folks seeing the MSM for what it is. Regardless of your party affiliation becoming more informed about the world by going to alternative news sources (including foreign) only enhances ones understanding of what the world really is about...and what the real dangers are.
I was recently polled by the Pew Institute. It took about 30 mins and discussed a broad range of subjects. One of the questions asked was, What do you see as the biggest danger or threat to America?" I responded, radical Islam. I wish I could take it back and respond...the MSM.
HillBuzzBlogspotCom
10-01-2008, 07:15 AM
YouTube - John McCain Web Ad: Man In The Arena
People should watch this ad every day -- and play it again whenever the soggy rain clouds hover over their heads.
Karen Keefe
10-01-2008, 10:53 AM
Time for everyone for Hillary, John and Sarah to take a spoonful of HRC fighting spirit/hard work/courage and GET ON WITH IT!
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