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Sandy in PA
10-01-2008, 10:25 AM
Threats by Iran's president are not empty rhetoric; he means what he says, and we ignore him at our peril.

We Americans are accustomed to regarding political rhetoric much as Dr. Johnson did epitaphs. "They are not," he wrote, "given under oath."

In other words, we don't expect public men or women to speak the truth from public platforms. When it comes to our own parochial affairs, there's probably a bit of weary realism in that. However, this casual expectation of rhetorical hypocrisy has inhibited from the start our ability to recognize and deal with the threat posed by Islamist radicalism.

Time and again, the spokesmen for these movements have told the world precisely what they intend. Time and again, the scant handful of Americans who bothered to take notice have dismissed what was said as the product of political alienation, as the consequence of economic marginalization, as a hangover of post-colonial insecurity or as tactical bluster.

No. These people mean exactly what they say, and they mean it for precisely the reasons they say they do. They genuinely believe in the extreme and often heretical variants of Islam to which they cleave, that faith guides their actions, and their public statements are expressions of that faith.

Time and again, though, we willfully have blinded ourselves to this fact, partly because modern minds balk at accepting what is essentially medieval reasoning at face value, and partly because it's the conveniently amicable thing do to.

That, plus the simultaneity of a national election and Wall Street crisis, account in large part for the silence that greeted last week's abominable speech by the Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, at the United Nations. In the course of a characteristically rambling diatribe, Ahmadinejad, one of the world's great public anti-Semites, had this to say:

"The dignity, integrity and rights of the American and European people are being played with by a small but deceitful number of people called Zionists. Although they are a minuscule minority, they have been dominating an important portion of the financial and monetary centers as well as the political decision-making centers of some European countries and the U.S. in a deceitful, complex and furtive manner. It is deeply disastrous to witness that some presidential or premier nominees in some big countries have to visit these people, take part in their gatherings, swear their allegiance and commitment to their interests in order to attain financial or media support.

"This means that the great people of America and various nations of Europe need to obey the demands and wishes of a small number of acquisitive and invasive people. These nations are spending their dignity and resources on the crimes and occupations and the threats of the Zionist network against their will."

There's a temptation to dismiss all this as simply "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" nonsense. But consider this other statement of Ahmadinejad's, made in a TV address in 2006: "Zionists and their protectors are the most detested people in all of humanity, and the hatred is increasing every day. ... The worse their crimes, the quicker they will fall."

Or perhaps this, from 2005: "Israel must be wiped off the map. ... The establishment of a Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world."

By "world oppressor," Ahmadinejad means the United States. He happens to belong to a Shiite sect that believes it can hasten the coming of the Mahdi, the Islamic savior, by the creation of chaos in the world. And like his brethren among the Sunni jihadists, he means what he says.

Mary Halbeck, one of the West's foremost scholars of jihadism and its religious origins, describes Islamist extremists as "committed to the destruction of the entire secular world because they believe this is a necessary first step to create an Islamic utopia on Earth." Their "view of the enemies of Islam means that their depiction in the Koran and hadith [commentaries on the Koran] is valid today in every detail. The Jews in particular have specific negative characteristics. ... They are notorious for their betrayal and treachery; they have incurred God's curse and wrath; they were changed into monkeys and pigs."

This is what the men who brought the hell of 9/11 to America believed. This is what Ahmadinejad believes and what he simply awaits the opportunity to act on.

When the delegates to the U.N. General Assembly applauded Ahmadinejad's speech last week, and the American media passed over it in silence, this is the sentiment to which they gave their respective explicit and tacit approval.

Shame on them; shame on us.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-rutten1-2008oct01,0,7697646.column

Karen Keefe
10-01-2008, 10:37 AM
American politicians, ambassadors, media, even citizens need to grow a spine and fight for the USA like Hillary, John and Sarah are doing.

Have we gotten lazy, self-indulgent or what? Snap out of it, America, and take charge of our country again!

CountryFirst
10-01-2008, 10:45 AM
If you really want to lose your lunch, watch this interview Larry King did with Ahmadinejad. Curiously, they cut out the part where he asks the mad man about his children. Way to cede the moral high ground, Larry. You really gave him a great platform to just kick back and be himself!

http://www.truveo.com/Full-56-CNNs-Larry-King-Interview-with-Irans/id/4074740238

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/23/lkl.01.html


KING: The president of Iran and Sarah Palin have something in common. Find out what it is and what he thinks of her when we return.

KING: We're back.

Mr. President, you were once a mayor. And we have a former mayor -- now governor -- Mrs. Palin, running for vice president.

What do you think of her?

Would you like to meet her?

AHMADINEJAD (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): I have said that we've done whatever we need to with respect to this discussion. We sent a letter to Mr. Bush and we also invited the people here for a talk at the United Nations headquarters. And regionally in Afghanistan, we assisted in bringing about security and safety. So we think it's now high time for the American officials to make -- take the next steps.

KING: But you would meet with her?

If she said, I would meet with you, you would meet with her?

AHMADINEJAD (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): I will await and see what evolves, what happens. Of course, we are interested in talking with one another. We believe that through talk and dialogue, things can be resolved much easier. Of course, a dialogue that has been set by an environment based on respect and justice.

Now, are you sure that she's going to become the president?

KING: No, no, no. I'm saying just what -- she's running. She's going to be -- she may be vice president.

How much...

AHMADINEJAD (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): She wants to become the vice president.

KING: Yes. I was just -- you were both mayors, right?

So you have something in common.

(TRANSLATOR MIKE NOW MORE AUDIBLE)

AHMADINEJAD (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): I wish that we would have talked together when we were both mayors. (LAUGHTER)

KING: OK. One of the big fears the United States has -- the world has about Iran -- is nuclear weapons.

Can you tell us what you're doing with regard to them?

Are you building them?

What's the status of your country and nuclear weapons?

freethinker
10-01-2008, 11:56 AM
OK, that exchange with Amadinajhad is bizarre and disturbing on so many levels. Why is King giving this man airtime? Larry's doctor needs to up his dosage of Aricept.

foxyladi
10-01-2008, 12:00 PM
this man is obviously a little off

freethinker
10-01-2008, 12:04 PM
There's a temptation to dismiss all this as simply "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" nonsense. But consider this other statement of Ahmadinejad's, made in a TV address in 2006: "Zionists and their protectors are the most detested people in all of humanity, and the hatred is increasing every day. ... The worse their crimes, the quicker they will fall."

Or perhaps this, from 2005: "Israel must be wiped off the map. ... The establishment of a Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world."

By "world oppressor," Ahmadinejad means the United States. He happens to belong to a Shiite sect that believes it can hasten the coming of the Mahdi, the Islamic savior, by the creation of chaos in the world. And like his brethren among the Sunni jihadists, he means what he says.

Mary Halbeck, one of the West's foremost scholars of jihadism and its religious origins, describes Islamist extremists as "committed to the destruction of the entire secular world because they believe this is a necessary first step to create an Islamic utopia on Earth." Their "view of the enemies of Islam means that their depiction in the Koran and hadith [commentaries on the Koran] is valid today in every detail. The Jews in particular have specific negative characteristics. ... They are notorious for their betrayal and treachery; they have incurred God's curse and wrath; they were changed into monkeys and pigs."

This is what the men who brought the hell of 9/11 to America believed. This is what Ahmadinejad believes and what he simply awaits the opportunity to act on.

When the delegates to the U.N. General Assembly applauded Ahmadinejad's speech last week, and the American media passed over it in silence, this is the sentiment to which they gave their respective explicit and tacit approval.

Shame on them; shame on us.


"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

George Santayana

Charlie Brown
10-01-2008, 12:10 PM
OK, that exchange with Amadinajhad is bizarre and disturbing on so many levels. Why is King giving this man airtime? Larry's doctor needs to up his dosage of Aricept.

You know why.....Its called George Soro's and company...