The Day Was Great......Until An Hour Ago.

[PrincesseJen]

So my parents were both on board with Hillary. That made me happy. :) They knew she was better and they even questioned Obama's experience. They don't use the internet but I have told them much about Obama and how he stole the nomination. I thought they knew clearly that Obama was not the right choice. Today, to my horror, my dad tells me they are voting for Obama. Of course my natural reaction was "WHAT???!!". Their reasoning? Because he's a Democrat. They think it's the "right" choice. I can swear at some point months back my dad said McCain was a "good guy". Now he's calling him stupid and saying nasty things about Palin. Back during the primaries he would go off on the fact Obama hasn't done anything now he thinks Obama knows what he's doing. It's like aliens took my parents and are using their bodies as meat suits. I basically threw a fit of words and tears. I tried to explain that millions of Clinton supporters aren't voting for him for many reasons just to find out he's gotten on that bandwagon of "Their racist.". And about him stealing the nomination "They all do it.". THIS ISN'T HAPPENING!! I try to tell him that he doesn't know everything about Obama and he thinks I'm crazy and don't know what I'm talking about. Also their CHRISTIANS! I can tell you God would not approve! But apparently their other logic is to not worry about it because whoever is president is going to take the US to hell. No matter if it's Obama or McCain. Of course I begged to differ. My dad said he's not changing his mind but I believe all I have to do is show my mom the video of Obama mocking the Bible and I don't think she'll be able to do it. For so long I thought I was lucky to have parents that understood. Apparently the don't. :(

[El Cuco]

I know how you feel. My daughter, son and his fiance were for Hillary and now are voting for Obama because he is a democrat. My husband and our older son will be voting for McCain. I just can't understand.......

[freethinker]

same boat.

[foxyladi]

my sympathys are with you too.my college
going grandaughter is for him too.sad isn't it?

[ConservativeChick]

You know, voting for someone because of their party is stupid. I say this to republicans AND democrats. We have a long list of presidents... BAD ones have come out of both parties.. GOOD ones have come out of both parties. Voting 'by party' is absolutely DUMB, especially in this day and age! You would think people would be smarter than that. :(

[SadStateOfAffairs]

You may have them watch the Hannity special on Obama on Sunday.

P.S.-Tape it.......It's suppose to be a doozey!

[Ca Teacher]

I know how you feel.

Last night--on my Facebook news feed I saw that my cousin had joined the "Elect Barack Obama President" group. I haven't spoken to him--because I just am so upset. We had talked just a few weeks ago--and he totally agreed with me on how dangerous Obama was. He even talked several mutual friends and aquaintances OUT of voting for BO.

Now--he is jumping on the bandwagon--because BO seems popular and likely to win. I am so upset. The only consolation is that he lives in Texas--and it is not likely Obama will take that state.

[EsmeraldaB]

(((Jen)))) It's tough, I know. A dear friend (former employer) who I've kept in touch with for years and who was supporting Hillary, says she is voting obama. :( She will not be on my Christmas card list this year, or next, or anytime after. My brother and most of his family are already voting McCain, so no loss there. :rolleyes: My other brother said he doesn't even know if he'll vote at all. I asked him to please vote McCain for me, he seemed to be willing to do that. :cool:

I have convinced my two co-workers to vote McCain, and I think I've convinced another long time friend to go with McCain. Other friends say they cannot possibly vote McCain, but will NOT vote obama. That's somewhat of a comfort, but may not be enough.

Jen, there's still time before the election. Maybe your parents will come around. Good luck.

El Cuco, how ya doin'? :)

[ScottVA]

Sorry to hear that.......however, I notice Maryland in your profile. Are they from Maryland too? If so, it's no biggie... Maryland isn't a battleground State so McCain isn't going to take it anyway.... It's a good way to rationalize it as they won't make a difference on way or the other in the outcome (if that's the case).

[EH]

Welcome to the club...my family is either sitting it out or voting BO.

[El Cuco]

I'm doing fine Esmeralda! Thanks for asking. How are you doing?

[nette60]

So my parents were both on board with Hillary. That made me happy. :) They knew she was better and they even questioned Obama's experience. They don't use the internet but I have told them much about Obama and how he stole the nomination. I thought they knew clearly that Obama was not the right choice. Today, to my horror, my dad tells me they are voting for Obama. Of course my natural reaction was "WHAT???!!". Their reasoning? Because he's a Democrat. They think it's the "right" choice. I can swear at some point months back my dad said McCain was a "good guy". Now he's calling him stupid and saying nasty things about Palin. Back during the primaries he would go off on the fact Obama hasn't done anything now he thinks Obama knows what he's doing. It's like aliens took my parents and are using their bodies as meat suits. I basically threw a fit of words and tears. I tried to explain that millions of Clinton supporters aren't voting for him for many reasons just to find out he's gotten on that bandwagon of "Their racist.". And about him stealing the nomination "They all do it.". THIS ISN'T HAPPENING!! I try to tell him that he doesn't know everything about Obama and he thinks I'm crazy and don't know what I'm talking about. Also their CHRISTIANS! I can tell you God would not approve! But apparently their other logic is to not worry about it because whoever is president is going to take the US to hell. No matter if it's Obama or McCain. Of course I begged to differ. My dad said he's not changing his mind but I believe all I have to do is show my mom the video of Obama mocking the Bible and I don't think she'll be able to do it. For so long I thought I was lucky to have parents that understood. Apparently the don't. :(

Princess Jen,

You may have to actually sit them down and show them some of the videos.of Obama. I am going to be involved in a GOTV on Tuesday at Howard community College. It should be lots of fun.

[PrincesseJen]

Sorry to hear that.......however, I notice Maryland in your profile. Are they from Maryland too? If so, it's no biggie... Maryland isn't a battleground State so McCain isn't going to take it anyway.... It's a good way to rationalize it as they won't make a difference on way or the other in the outcome (if that's the case).

Yeah we all live in Maryland and that was my thought too. I'm comforted in the fact their votes won't be a game changer. :rolleyes:

[ivotedforhillary]

Your parents are Christian's, do they know about Obama's support for Infanticide?

[PrincesseJen]

Your parents are Christian's, do they know about Obama's support for Infanticide?

I plain on telling them that. But I can't right now because my mom states she's too stressed and tired to talk about it.

[Agent 00½ FL]

Good luck, we have 31 days to work on this. They may still change their minds.

[ScottVA]

Yeah we all live in Maryland and that was my thought too. I'm comforted in the fact their votes won't be a game changer. :rolleyes:

I live just a short drive from you in Arlington VA and if they lived here it WOULD be a big deal.... McCain needs all the help he can get from cross over voters here in the northern part of the State. There are two in this house :-)

[pnevai]

Try this, no promises it will work but it worked for me once or twice.

Ask the question Dad Mom, how often do you read the washington post, boston globe the New York times, Wall street journal? If the answer is what I expect, Then ask them how could they even pretend to know about thier chosen candidate. (This only applies if you are a research animal or read many threads here where the research animal live)

Then you can tell them that Obama is nothing more than another politician telling you only what you want to hear. If they say that CNN and the MSM say this and that, you can tell them that research has proven that many of the people who finance Obama are the same people who sit on the boards and run these media outlets, so what do you expect them to say.

And that much of what is said on TV are distortions, half truths, or out right lies because if you did do the research you would know that there are NO LAWS preventing the media from Lying on TV or print for that matter.

You can say that people alot smarter than you have scoured the congressional records, went out and dug up old websites that the campaign had sanitized later on, read through thousands of court documents, legislation, public records and news articles to know that what Obama says and makes himself out to be with the medias help is not who he really is, after all politicians are the masters of lying to your face.

Heck the Bush administration was so good at it that they even fooled all the other politicians.

You can sy one thing is very clear is that McCain is NOT a good liar, everytime he has tried it he's been caught so you can depend on most of what McCain claims is honest truth, you may not agree with it but it is the truth or what he believes.

In closing you ask, if you went to the doctor and after the tests were done and the Doctor found out you had cancer or some other serious ailment that was probably not curable. Would you want him to tell you the truth even though you will not like the answer or would you rather he tell you what you want to hear?

Obama has been proven that he will tell you what he thinks you want to hear. And you can remind them that the new democrats that crucified Hillary are not the same Democratic party your parents supported over the years.

[PrincesseJen]

Try this, no promises it will work but it worked for me once or twice.

Ask the question Dad Mom, how often do you read the washington post, boston globe the New York times, Wall street journal? If the answer is what I expect, Then ask them how could they even pretend to know about thier chosen candidate. (This only applies if you are a research animal or read many threads here where the research animal live)

Then you can tell them that Obama is nothing more than another politician telling you only what you want to hear. If they say that CNN and the MSM say this and that, you can tell them that research has proven that many of the people who finance Obama are the same people who sit on the boards and run these media outlets, so what do you expect them to say.

And that much of what is said on TV are distortions, half truths, or out right lies because if you did do the research you would know that there are NO LAWS preventing the media from Lying on TV or print for that matter.

You can say the people alot smarter than you have scoured the congressional records, went out and dug up old websites that the campaign had sanitized later on, read through thousands of court documents, legislation, public records and news articles to know that what Obama says and makes himself out to be with the medias help is not who he really is, after politicians are the mastes of lying to your face.

Heck the Bush administration was so good at it that they even fooled all the other politicians.

You can sy one thing is very clear is that McCain is NOT a good liar, everytime he has tried it he's been caught so you can depend on most of what McCain claims is honest truth, you may not agree with it but it is the truth or what he believes.

In closing you ask, if you went to the doxtor and after the tests were done and the Doctor found out you had cancer or some other serious ailment that was probably not curable. Would you want him to tell you the truth even though you will not like the answer or would you rather he tell you what you want to hear?

Obama has been proven that he will tell you what he thinks you want to hear. And you can remibnd them that the new democrats that crucified Hillary are not the same Democratic party your parents supported over the years.

The thing is my parents are regular blue collar folks. They don't even have cable. They just watch the regular news. The do not read any of the papers you listed. If fact they don't read any news papers at all. They get all their news from Brian Williams. I don't know if any of this will work but I do plan on trying to state my case tomorrow. When everyone is refreshed. We just got into a litte fit a few minutes ago. And I keep getting the "It doesn really matter."

[Hillicrat]

I had the same argument with my daughter and then I showed her the u-tube video of Obama saying that there were 57 states after he had even thought about it. Now she says that she doesn't think she will vote at all and this will be her first election. Oh well...I guess the truth is sometimes unpleasant.

[lanney]

Just came back from Grocery store, two young kids around 15 yrs old trying to enroll for Obama Campaign. When they approached me, I told them do you think I will work for a man who is friend with terrorist Ayers and who says American soliders are air raiding villages, give me a break. I stoned them.

I live in North California.

[pnevai]

You can play the above suggestion they way best fitting your situation.

In your case I would probably start with, Mom Dad, the democratic party is not what it used to be.

If you can get them to watch this Utube video of the DNC Rules Commitee meeting where the DNC sold Hillary Clinton down the river.

It is not the same democratic party.

YouTube - Harold Ickes Threatens to Take the Fight to the Convention

[HillaryVsPalin2012]

So my parents were both on board with Hillary. That made me happy. :) They knew she was better and they even questioned Obama's experience. They don't use the internet but I have told them much about Obama and how he stole the nomination. I thought they knew clearly that Obama was not the right choice. Today, to my horror, my dad tells me they are voting for Obama. Of course my natural reaction was "WHAT???!!". Their reasoning? Because he's a Democrat. They think it's the "right" choice. I can swear at some point months back my dad said McCain was a "good guy". Now he's calling him stupid and saying nasty things about Palin. Back during the primaries he would go off on the fact Obama hasn't done anything now he thinks Obama knows what he's doing. It's like aliens took my parents and are using their bodies as meat suits. I basically threw a fit of words and tears. I tried to explain that millions of Clinton supporters aren't voting for him for many reasons just to find out he's gotten on that bandwagon of "Their racist.". And about him stealing the nomination "They all do it.". THIS ISN'T HAPPENING!! I try to tell him that he doesn't know everything about Obama and he thinks I'm crazy and don't know what I'm talking about. Also their CHRISTIANS! I can tell you God would not approve! But apparently their other logic is to not worry about it because whoever is president is going to take the US to hell. No matter if it's Obama or McCain. Of course I begged to differ. My dad said he's not changing his mind but I believe all I have to do is show my mom the video of Obama mocking the Bible and I don't think she'll be able to do it. For so long I thought I was lucky to have parents that understood. Apparently the don't. :(

I'm sorry about that Jen! I've got a Christian brother and sister-in-law who're deeply drunk in the Obama kool-aid too.

To be fair, McCain isn't known for his religiousness and bro/sis have been badly burnt by the Bush admin... but, in reality, they've been burnt by their own personal choices most of all. I love them to death, but they're the kind of irresponsible people that everyone loves to hate (ran up CC debt for vacations, quit jobs 'cause "God" wanted them to quit, etc). He's not the sibling I grew up with at all. He's looking to Obama for help with his situation. And, frankly, it does make a certain amount of sense -- he's exactly the kind of constituent Obama is going for, and that Obama seeks to enable... er, help. McCain isn't going to cancel his mortgage like Biden would.

[JamieKuuipo]

HOW ABOUT DO THEY REALY WANT A DICTATORSHIP IN THE UNITED STATES, BECAUSE THE DEMS WILL HAVE COMPLETE CONTROL, HOUSE AND SENATE.....

OR HAVE A INTERVENTION, INVITE FRIENDS OVER.....

DON'T GIVE UP BUT BE STRONG IN YOUR CONVICTIONS THEY WILL SEE IT....

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[PrincesseJen]

My mom promised to watch the video of Obama mocking the Bible tomorrow. She said if it's true then she certainly couldn't vote for him. Which I already knew. I got her already. http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z30/Sarahj21230/Smileys/shifty.gif And I was able to mention his vote on not giving medical care to infants who survived abortion before the conversation ended. :D

[ivotedforhillary]

Show your parents the articles here-

http://www.catholicleague.org/obama&infanticide.php

http://www.nrlc.org/News_and_Views/Aug08/nv081108part2.html

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jul/28/voight/

also remind them that Barack Obama sat in a church for Years and listened to his preacher, preach hate about America and American's

[daniperez]

PrincesseJen - same her with my parents who are Dems.

During the primaries, they disliked BO & voted for Hillary

After the primaries, they didn't say a word about politics (crickets were chirping) but I know they have always liked and respected John McCain

Fast forward to about 2 weeks ago, they both said they were voting BO.....that they especially liked Biden.....McCain is more of the same garbage...blah blah.

[pnevai]

I love them to death, but they're the kind of irresponsible people that everyone loves to hate (ran up CC debt for vacations, quit jobs 'cause "God" wanted them to quit, etc). He's not the sibling I grew up with at all. He's looking to Obama for help with his situation. And, frankly, it does make a certain amount of sense -- he's exactly the kind of constituent Obama is going for, and that Obama seeks to enable... er, help. McCain isn't going to cancel his mortgage like Biden would.


Someone should let your reletivs know that this Bail out bill, is to make it easier on the banks and mortgage company to let your relatives go into foreclosure, because now the bank or mortgage company will not be out the money. So they can care less if the home goes into forclosure, no skin off thier teeth, the congress has taken out much of the incentive that banks had to renegotiate or extend credit to those that are being hurt the most.

Not only that, your relatives will now have to pay in taxes for the privilage of being foreclosed, because the tax payer dollar that every working citizen pays is going to be used to bail out banks so it will be easier for them to drop your credit, or foreclose your home.

[ConservativeChick]

My mom promised to watch the video of Obama mocking the Bible tomorrow. She if it's true then she certainly couldn't vote for him. Which I already knew. I got her already. http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z30/Sarahj21230/Smileys/shifty.gif And I was able to mention his vote on not giving medical care to infants who survived abortion before the conversation ended. :D

That is a GREAT one to mention... the infantcide is absolutely disgusting. I just can't believe the man is actually a candidate, what have we sunk to? :confused:

[Wyoming Dem]

I live just a short drive from you in Arlington VA and if they lived here it WOULD be a big deal.... McCain needs all the help he can get from cross over voters here in the northern part of the State. There are two in this house :-)
Where have you been big guy???

[buffaloboy]

If you are going to bring up the infanticide argument, and I think you should, you need to have these available:

Why Obama Really Voted For Infanticide
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NzRhZTgzNmRlZWE0MTA1YTM4NWMxN2UxMjA5YjBkZTE=&w=MA==

Former Nurse on Obama's Controversial Abortion Vote
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,407882,00.html

Born Alive Truth
http://bornalivetruth.org/

Here is a transcript of the debate in the Illinois State Legislature on 4/4/2002. Look at pages 31-34.
http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST040402.pdf

As far as I am concerned, this quote proves that Obama is a monster:
SENATOR OBAMA: So — and again, I’m — I’m not going to prolong this, but I just want to be clear because I think this was the source of the objections of the Medical Society. As I understand it, this puts the burden on the attending physician who has determined, since they were performing this procedure, that, in fact, this is a nonviable fetus; that if that fetus, or child — however way you want to describe it — is now outside the mother’s womb and the doctor continues to think that it’s nonviable but there’s, let’s say, movement or some indication that, in fact, they’re not just coming out limp and dead, that, in fact, they would then have to call a second physician to monitor and check off and make sure that this is not a live child that could be saved. Is that correct?

[G4Hillary]

So my parents were both on board with Hillary. That made me happy. :) They knew she was better and they even questioned Obama's experience. They don't use the internet but I have told them much about Obama and how he stole the nomination. I thought they knew clearly that Obama was not the right choice. Today, to my horror, my dad tells me they are voting for Obama. Of course my natural reaction was "WHAT???!!". Their reasoning? Because he's a Democrat. They think it's the "right" choice. I can swear at some point months back my dad said McCain was a "good guy". Now he's calling him stupid and saying nasty things about Palin. Back during the primaries he would go off on the fact Obama hasn't done anything now he thinks Obama knows what he's doing. It's like aliens took my parents and are using their bodies as meat suits. I basically threw a fit of words and tears. I tried to explain that millions of Clinton supporters aren't voting for him for many reasons just to find out he's gotten on that bandwagon of "Their racist.". And about him stealing the nomination "They all do it.". THIS ISN'T HAPPENING!! I try to tell him that he doesn't know everything about Obama and he thinks I'm crazy and don't know what I'm talking about. Also their CHRISTIANS! I can tell you God would not approve! But apparently their other logic is to not worry about it because whoever is president is going to take the US to hell. No matter if it's Obama or McCain. Of course I begged to differ. My dad said he's not changing his mind but I believe all I have to do is show my mom the video of Obama mocking the Bible and I don't think she'll be able to do it. For so long I thought I was lucky to have parents that understood. Apparently the don't. :(

For a mostly apolitical person it is very easy to get caught up in all the hype surrounding Obama. The media has made him out to be special and those who "want to trust" our media will be persuaded. It is a a very insecure feeling when you see the reality. No body really wants to see it. Ignorance is bliss. Sometimes I wish I didn't know because I will now always distrust MSM. But you know, the truth is better that falsehoods.

[NBM]

PrincesseJen, my mom, who passed recently, was a lifelong Democrat - as I used to be too. She always assumed it was the party of compassion and good, the only party that looked out for the little guy, because of great former presidents FDR, JFK, etc. So, she would likely have trusted Obama too. Republicans were 'off limits' to her thinking.

I'm thinking that... the only thing that could have changed her mind is to realize first - that the party is torn and not the party it once was. Then she would need a solid example of why Obama cannot be trusted. If trust is broken, people reconsider their votes.

I wish you luck on this, but don't worry too much about it. It's not their fault they've been swayed by the intense bias in the media.

[kyforhillary]

If they are Christians show them the video of those boys chanting the Alpha and Omega thing. If that doesn't scare them to death nothing will.

[SantaCruzen]

So my parents were both on board with Hillary. That made me happy. :) They knew she was better and they even questioned Obama's experience. They don't use the internet but I have told them much about Obama and how he stole the nomination. I thought they knew clearly that Obama was not the right choice. Today, to my horror, my dad tells me they are voting for Obama. Of course my natural reaction was "WHAT???!!". Their reasoning? Because he's a Democrat. They think it's the "right" choice. I can swear at some point months back my dad said McCain was a "good guy". Now he's calling him stupid and saying nasty things about Palin. Back during the primaries he would go off on the fact Obama hasn't done anything now he thinks Obama knows what he's doing. It's like aliens took my parents and are using their bodies as meat suits. I basically threw a fit of words and tears. I tried to explain that millions of Clinton supporters aren't voting for him for many reasons just to find out he's gotten on that bandwagon of "Their racist.". And about him stealing the nomination "They all do it.". THIS ISN'T HAPPENING!! I try to tell him that he doesn't know everything about Obama and he thinks I'm crazy and don't know what I'm talking about. Also their CHRISTIANS! I can tell you God would not approve! But apparently their other logic is to not worry about it because whoever is president is going to take the US to hell. No matter if it's Obama or McCain. Of course I begged to differ. My dad said he's not changing his mind but I believe all I have to do is show my mom the video of Obama mocking the Bible and I don't think she'll be able to do it. For so long I thought I was lucky to have parents that understood. Apparently the don't. :(

That is like the conversations I have with the local WannaBe Hippies. They do not realize that they are BrainWashed.

Progressive does not mean believe every lie you are being told. Does it? Maybe I am the confused one.

[swannyj]

Now--he is jumping on the bandwagon--because BO seems popular and likely to win. I am so upset. The only consolation is that he lives in Texas--and it is not likely Obama will take that state.

I live in East Texas about 100 miles from Dallas and I can tell you Obama has not given up on Tx. I was furious today when the local news did a piece on "the local reaction to the VP debate", only problem was all interviewed were in attendance of an Obama/Biden debate watch. Then, the next news item was a big get out the vote rally/concert to be held this weekend. I sincerely believe unless the conservative base comes out en mass Obama could carry Texas. We have homeless to you know.

[HermesLover]

I live just a short drive from you in Arlington VA and if they lived here it WOULD be a big deal.... McCain needs all the help he can get from cross over voters here in the northern part of the State. There are two in this house :-)

Hi Scott, I'm in Leesburg!

[ggreen]

Tell your parents you're surprised that they would vote based strictly on party lines. That they taught you how to make good, sound judgements even when the choices are difficult. That you thought a lot about this choice and you know in your heart it is the right one. Be respectful. When they see how you've handled it in such a thoughtful way, they may very well do some further thinking themselves.

After that, they go into the booth and do what they think is right. And you may never know what lever they pulled, but you'll know you did your best.
___

[CSI007]

Country before Party.

[seawave]

Tell them how he treated his own grandmother. He dishonered her in one of his speeches when he should have been protecting her. Instead he choose to protect the minister that said Damm America and then BO ridiculed her at the same time. He has never had her at his side during this campaign. If he cares so little for her how would he treat all seniors in America if he was elected.

[Jen the Michigander]

Show them those videos of the Obama "Hitler Youths". They've made a big impact on everyone I have shown them to, especially older people who remember WW2 or who grew up hearing stories about Cuban and Soviet children being indoctrinated by the commies.

[HRC4Me]

Jen,

There are plenty of churches/denominations who have come out and basically said - Nobama - some, in very subtle ways.

If you parents are Catholics the church just came out with a statement about Biden..

I wish you all the luck - and hey, we know - your dad may be the head of the family, but your mom is the neck and can turn him im sure!

Im keeping ALL people who say they are religious, and yet are voting for Obama, in my prayers! Your parents are included.

my best to you -

[Mrsawd]

Jen If you can't talk sense to them !


Maybe make sure they have no ride to vote !!



They need to think of thier Country !
MOst Men understand the NRA !

[Horizon]

I'm sorry,Jen.:( I know,it's hard.My b.f told me I was a conspiracy theorist the other night.Keep your head held high,and keep after them.You can do this.Point out to them that you must be pretty smart about these things,after all they raised you to think for yourself and not be a sheeple!

In my thoughts!!!;);)

[pagirl4sarah&hillary]

In this particular election, tactics that I may not normally use, well I am. Whatever "card" is going to work with people, use it! If it were not for the media bias and covering up everything Obama does and slamming first Hillary then Sarah for even the way they breathe that would be one thing. However, now if I have to play dirty I will. Good luck :)

[Cooney]

Same boat as well. Both my sisters had no trouble switching to Obama after Hillary. They hate Bush and see McCain as another Bush and there is no talking them out of it. When I try to tell them how bad Obama is, there response is "Oh, your reading all those stupid blogs again". You know the word blog to my family is like Area 51 to them. :eek::eek::eek:

[Horizon]

Same boat as well. Both my sisters had no trouble switching to Obama after Hillary. They hate Bush and see McCain as another Bush and there is no talking them out of it. When I try to tell them how bad Obama is, there response is "Oh, your reading all those stupid blogs again". You know the word blog to my family is like Area 51 to them. :eek::eek::eek:

Blog=Area 51=Conspiracy theory.

I have heard this too.Gotta love 'em.

[Andy_Licious]

I have only one daughter who will be voting for BO. She can't give any reason, just she likes him better. Her husband and 18 year old son will probably vote that way too.

Party labels stopped meaning much to me back when LBJ ran. I have voted a lot of times for the one who didn't win. Local, State, Federal levels. I tried to talk to her about it, even the infanticide thing, but no go.

I can only pray and hope she changes her mind...if she does it will be 3 votes as she's the strong and determined one in that family. :rolleyes:

[SantaCruzen]

I'm sorry about that Jen! I've got a Christian brother and sister-in-law who're deeply drunk in the Obama kool-aid too.

First they vote for Bush to save unborn babies (that is why my aunts told me) never mind that we are killing children in Iraq villages then they vote for Obama for Civil Rights never mind that he does not stand for the First Amendment. Don't they know the Ten Commandment Dos and Dont's?

If they were Born-Agains I might understand that they are Babes in the Woods. But where did they learn to be so idiotic?

[Adayamo]

I'm so sorry, Jen.

Apparently they don't know enough about McCain and BHO to decide WHO is qualified to be POTUS and who's not.
That must be hard. :(

[Strongwomenrock]

What I find really surprising is how many Jewish people are voting for BO. My sister works as a teacher and another teacher, who is Jewish, told her that even though she knows BO is antisemetic she's still going to vote for him. Huh???

My sister replied that she guess she and others like her will be fully aware and willing participants when they're marched off to the gas chamber?” My sister said this woman looked like she was slapped in the face. She didn’t say a word but from the expression on her face and the fact that all the color drained out of it my sister knew it hit home. Maybe your parents need an intellectual smackdown like that.

[Frances]

Yeah, well I've been cussed at over Obama, and the more they do that the more I cuss Obama. God' dam him!

[PCFS1]

You can play the above suggestion they way best fitting your situation.

In your case I would probably start with, Mom Dad, the democratic party is not what it used to be.

If you can get them to watch this Utube video of the DNC Rules Commitee meeting where the DNC sold Hillary Clinton down the river.

It is not the same democratic party.

YouTube - Harold Ickes Threatens to Take the Fight to the Convention (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYzzyctEVcs)You could not have said it better I watched the whole thing that Saturday in May.

[Strongwomenrock]

Get them to read this:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/obama.html

[hipelayne]

Jen I'm sorry. Maybe you could find the video of what BHO's district looks like in the southside of Chicago AFTER he got millions of taxpayers dollars for his sleazy friend Rezko. That is one of the most telling videos to me! It is so freakin' infuriating that all this evidence against him is out there, but it is being withheld by the obamanation! If they are powerful enough to withhold information now - what would it be like with him as POTUS! Have them to check out the video about the Missouri Truth Squad! Defintely have them check out the infanticide stuff, keep playing the Rev. Wright videos, until they get that this is his mentor, his friend and his preacher. Tell them how he had his wife and children sitting in that very same church listening to Wright damning America every week. Good luck Jen!

[Brooke]

Same boat, Jen. Just last night I said to my parents "He's a corrupt Chicago politician" and my mother said "They're all corrupt"

My dad has been predicting McCain will win and up until he picked Palin he was on board. But because of Palin, my father is now voting for Obama, along with my mom and nearly the rest of my family. My brother is voting for McCain. It's funny, both he and I are in Obama's demographic (He's 27, I'm 29) and we're the ones not voting for him.

And everybody in my family were all Hillary supporters.

What's shocking is my grandmother (dad's mom) who IS a racist, chastized me for saying I wasn't voting for Obama. She is such a dyed in the wool democrat. I was shocked.

My family all lives in Jersey anyway so it's not like he's going to really need their votes to win there. I'm the one living in PA where he needs to win and I'm not voting for him.

[PrincesseJen]

Well, my parents aren't Catholic their Assembles of God. I showed my mom the video of Obama mocking the Bible and like I thought, it was all she needed. I showed her the video of the kids singing and she told me how she felt when Obama gave the speech in Germany. "That's how their going to be with the anti-christ." Though she doesn't really think it's him. I've been telling her how the Democratic party is not the same as it was. Their not for the people and the Republicans aren't the only ones to blame. They just wanted a rep out of office so bad. I believe she won't vote for him but she states she does have to vote this time. She actually has never voted before. She told me God convicted her last time for not voting so she made a vow to vote this time. She's going to be watching the caucus fraud videos later.

[PA_Voter]

Maybe a tactic would be to pull up Hillary quotes on BHO? Maybe a "refresher" on how unqualified he is to be running will help your parents?

[BuckyKatt]

You know, voting for someone because of their party is stupid. I say this to republicans AND democrats. We have a long list of presidents... BAD ones have come out of both parties.. GOOD ones have come out of both parties. Voting 'by party' is absolutely DUMB, especially in this day and age! You would think people would be smarter than that. :(

Could not possibly agree more.

[mjoynaples]

some of my family and I just do not talk politics anymore this is sad and is sad that one niece in particular is actually voting for BHO because of my passion against him (this is really strange...sounds so BOT behavior and that is disturbing in itself...) to my amazement I have several sisters all HILLARY supporters all now on board with McCAIN with very little persuasion and then a lot of work with my mom and finally (got her on the pro-life thing... and the checks and the balances in the house and senate etc...) and then to may utter amazement and delight one of my very REPUB in beliefs brother who is 45 and NEVER HAS VOTED finally HAS REGISTERED and will vote for McCAIN of course... so sometimes families can surprise us nicely too!

now working on some friends they are going to sit it out because so angry about the whole HRC fiasco... agree however cannot sit it out NOBAMA and PLAN B focus.... sending positive thoughts for your families and friends too!

[JJ4Hillary]

I feel sorry for you. My family are not voting this year. I don't really care, because obama is going to take maryland anyways.:rolleyes:

[hipelayne]

Good luck Jen! Don't forget to have them watch Hannity when he exposes BHO's unsavory associates - maybe that will help!

[Isis46]

I must admit, in some ways, I have an easier time. My mom was a bra-burner, 60's style hippie living in the Detroit area. After watching the corruption of the black administrations of Coleman Young and Kwuame Kilpatrick, she would never vote for Barak Obama, who represents the same kind of black-liberation-entitlement politician.

However, I live in California (I am a flaming capitalist/fiscal Republican, but I live in a redder part of the state, so I am not completely isolated). I go to school, where a lot of the other mothers are "Obamamas" (gag me with a spoon). I really have to keep my perspective, and remember to only discuss politics with two things:

1) a good, stiff drink.
2) my sense of humor.

I think those who are blindly voting for Obama will be startled to see what happens next January, as his administration takes over. For example, when he takes back his pledge for "middle class tax cuts" and raises taxes on everyone because of "Bush's failed policies". Small businesses will take a huge tax hit as well.

ACORN will be well funded. The people who brought you Fannie May and Freddie Mac will hold positions of even more responsibility. The Hollywood elites will prance and preen, because their candidate is empowered so obviously the Hollywood elite view is the "right" one.

I fear we will look at the four years of Obama, and envy the prosperity and stability of the Carter years. :eek:

The blogs are the only source of balanced perspective. If you are Catholic, or spiritual in nature, I urge you to read the Anchoress (who is neither left or right, and takes both sides to task -- which is why I read her, to maintain my perspective). http://theanchoressonline.com/ I also like coming here for news and analysis, again to maintain perspective.

One of the things I have done with this election is to print out a hard copy of the lies against Sarah Palin, and the refutations of these smears. Anytime an Obamama says that "Palin burned books" or "Palin charged for abortion kits" , I had them this and say -- "If your are going to vote for Obama, then vote for him based on his policies. Don't vote based on smears and lies". http://www.fightthepalinsmears.com/smears/ I also attach this to the packet:

You're a Republican???

In today’s America, ask a growing number of high school and college students; their teachers and professors; the self-anointed media elite and/or hard working men and women of all ethnicities, the question, “What is a Republican?”, and you’ll be told “… a rich, greedy, egotistical individual, motivated only by money and the desire to accumulate more and more of it, at the expense of the environment … the working poor ….and all whom they exploit…”

I am a Republican … I am none of those things… and I don’t know any Republicans who are.

WHAT I AM … first and foremost, is a loving husband of some 52 plus years, the father of four and an American who’s proud of his country… and his country’s heritage.

WHAT I AM… is the grandson of immigrants who risked everything, including their lives and those of their children, to escape tyranny in search of freedom.

WHAT I AM… is a man who grew up during the Depression and witnessed, first hand, the effects of the Stock Market crash and the soup lines that followed. I watched as both my parents and grand parents, who had very little themselves, share what food they had with a half dozen other families, who had even less....

cont.


http://whatiam.net/

I can almost understand the attachment of the older generation to the Democratic party -- the one of FDR and JFK. But it is plain to see that Obama does not have that stature, and we are in for some very troubling times should he be elected. If you want to sample what we are headed for on a national level, then take a look at the legacy of Coleman Young of Detroit:

Economic conditions in Detroit generally trended towards the neutral over the sum of Mayor Young's political tenure, with the unemployment rate trending from approximately 9% in 1971 to approximately 11% in 1993, when Mayor Young retired. However, most economic metrics (unemployment, median income rates, and city gross domestic product) initially dropped precipitously under Young, reaching their "low points" in the late 80's and/or early 90's, with the unemployment rate in particular peaking at approximately 20% in 1982. [10] Many credit the subsequent turnaround to an economic reawakening, wherein Young ceased efforts to force local businesses and professional organizations to integrate (through Young-supported judicial activism and aggressive legislative affirmative action in both the private and public sectors) and began actively courting the "white businessmen" he had earlier demonized. Despite these locally dubbed "renaissance" efforts, Detroit economic metrics finished the Young mayoral period at or below pre-1971 level

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coleman_Young


.

[samurai007]

PrincesseJen, my mom, who passed recently, was a lifelong Democrat - as I used to be too. She always assumed it was the party of compassion and good, the only party that looked out for the little guy, because of great former presidents FDR, JFK, etc. So, she would likely have trusted Obama too. Republicans were 'off limits' to her thinking.

I'm thinking that... the only thing that could have changed her mind is to realize first - that the party is torn and not the party it once was. Then she would need a solid example of why Obama cannot be trusted. If trust is broken, people reconsider their votes.

I wish you luck on this, but don't worry too much about it. It's not their fault they've been swayed by the intense bias in the media.

I think this is the right tact to take. Point out that Obama is NOT AT ALL like previous great Democrats. What would FDR, JFK, and other great Dems of the past say about someone like Obama? They would be ashamed he even dared to claim he represented their party, and would do everything they could to make sure he goes down to defeat!

This kind of thing happens from time to time, in both parties (though the number of people still supporting Obama is discouraging). For instance, look at the racist David Duke. He has run for office numerous times, first as a Democrat, then an Independent, and then as a Republican. Here's how the Republican Party responded: The National Republican Committee Chairman Jim Nicholson declared, "There is no room in the party of Lincoln for a Klansman like David Duke." And most of the rest of the party supported him.

http://multiracial.com/site/content/view/828/2/

Republican Leadership Council
Press Release - 21 December 1998

DAVID DUKE CANDIDACY DENOUNCED BY REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP COUNCIL

RLC Executive Director Praises Nicholson Opposition;
Calls On Other Conservative Leaders To Denounce Ex-Klansman

Washington, DC -- Mark Miller, Executive Director of the Republican Leadership Council (RLC), today applauded RNC Chairman Jim Nicholson for his swift denunciation of David Duke and called on other Republicans to publicly oppose the candidacy of the former Klansman and neo-Nazi sympathizer.

"Republicans of every ideological persuasion can agree that David Duke's latest foray into GOP electoral politics must be opposed, and his candidacy for the House of Representatives denied legitimacy," said Miller. "We applaud RNC Chairman Nicholson's quick opposition to Duke's divisive agenda, and we call on other conservative leaders and groups to state for the record their opposition to his candidacy."

"We ask Chairman Nicholson to help us recruit and fully fund a viable Republican primary opponent to oppose Duke's message of intolerance," added Miller.

"I hope we can all show solidarity as a Party, and state unequivocally, that David Duke cannot, should not and will not be permitted to advance his agenda under the auspices of the Republican Party," concluded Miller.

Given Obama's known ties to racists, terrorists, money-laundering slum lords, African warlords pushing for Sharia law, and so many other shady characters, THAT is the response the Democrat Party should have given to Obama.

And it IS the response the remaining "real Democrats" ARE giving to Obama...

[Angelica91]

Jen, I understand you, because even my parents support Obama but the difference is they don't like Clintons, above all, my dad who hate Bill!

[Borlah]

Jen I know it must be hard for you dealing with your parents like this. I'm having a struggle with my husband but, I've broken him to the point that he says he's not gonna vote. Of course, I told him he might as well vote for Obama then. I'd say the best you can do is...... the best you can do and if they are determined to vote Obama in Nov. then you just need to convince three differnt people to vote for McCain. Two to counter their votes and one to one up McCain.

[Lodi]

God, Jen--that's awful! I haven't read the other posts here yet, so I apologize if someone's already suggested this. If you have a laptop or can get your parents to your computer, have them watch the previews of the documentary We Will Not Be Silenced at www.wewillnotbesilenced2008.com. Make sure they see the clip of the African American woman--who marched with MLK--talking sadly about how young AA men were blocking non-Obama supporters--mainly frightened Hillary voters--from the polls.

Then, start reading to them from www.caucusanalysis.org. There are written firsthand accounts of cheating during the primaries, as told by people around the country, especially in Texas and here in violent-Obot-ridden Las Vegas.

Then show them the tenets of black liberation theology, which are searchable on this board.

This town is positively VIOLENT!! I can't wait to be able to afford to get out.
Sugar...mom and I took tons of abuse at KNPR radio, and it's ongoing. Host said something ridiculous about us yesterday, and we weren't even there! (We were on-air on Monday.)

We are not racists and people of color against Obama are not race traitors. We are alive, fully awake and aware and thoroughly informed.

Obama stole the nomination. He's in bed with ACORN and they're corrupt (good info about them on the Caucus Analysis site).

Good luck. Will light a candle for the awakening of your parents and all other deluded and bamboozled Obastard supporters.

So my parents were both on board with Hillary. That made me happy. :) They knew she was better and they even questioned Obama's experience. They don't use the internet but I have told them much about Obama and how he stole the nomination. I thought they knew clearly that Obama was not the right choice. Today, to my horror, my dad tells me they are voting for Obama. Of course my natural reaction was "WHAT???!!". Their reasoning? Because he's a Democrat. They think it's the "right" choice. I can swear at some point months back my dad said McCain was a "good guy". Now he's calling him stupid and saying nasty things about Palin. Back during the primaries he would go off on the fact Obama hasn't done anything now he thinks Obama knows what he's doing. It's like aliens took my parents and are using their bodies as meat suits. I basically threw a fit of words and tears. I tried to explain that millions of Clinton supporters aren't voting for him for many reasons just to find out he's gotten on that bandwagon of "Their racist.". And about him stealing the nomination "They all do it.". THIS ISN'T HAPPENING!! I try to tell him that he doesn't know everything about Obama and he thinks I'm crazy and don't know what I'm talking about. Also their CHRISTIANS! I can tell you God would not approve! But apparently their other logic is to not worry about it because whoever is president is going to take the US to hell. No matter if it's Obama or McCain. Of course I begged to differ. My dad said he's not changing his mind but I believe all I have to do is show my mom the video of Obama mocking the Bible and I don't think she'll be able to do it. For so long I thought I was lucky to have parents that understood. Apparently the don't. :(

[Lodi]

I think this is the right tact to take. Point out that Obama is NOT AT ALL like previous great Democrats. What would FDR, JFK, and other great Dems of the past say about someone like Obama? They would be ashamed he even dared to claim he represented their party, and would do everything they could to make sure he goes down to defeat!
This kind of thing happens from time to time, in both parties (though the number of people still supporting Obama is discouraging). For instance, look at the racist David Duke. He has run for office numerous times, first as a Democrat, then an Independent, and then as a Republican. Here's how the Republican Party responded: The National Republican Committee Chairman Jim Nicholson declared, "There is no room in the party of Lincoln for a Klansman like David Duke." And most of the rest of the party supported him.

http://multiracial.com/site/content/view/828/2/



Given Obama's known ties to racists, terrorists, money-laundering slum lords, African warlords pushing for Sharia law, and so many other shady characters, THAT is the response the Democrat Party should have given to Obama.

And it IS the response the remaining "real Democrats" ARE giving to Obama...

I think JFK is rolling in his grave at the thought of his own daughter supporting a cheating, filthy anti-American thug...and comparing him to her father. For heaven's sake, she was 5 or 6 (and I was 8) when he died. She doesn't have a clue. They couldn't have been more different!!!!

[PrincesseJen]

Well, showing my mom the video of Obama mocking the Bible was certainly enough but she was greatly disturbed by the singing children and the caucus fraud documentaries preview. She watches a lot of Christian shows and knows about Oprah's cult so I showed her the "Oprah Church Exposed" video. We had a nice talk about how the party has changed and how dangerous Obama is. We also talked about the comparison of what's going on and what the Bible states is going to happen in the end. She is certainly not voting for Obama. Of course she was relaying this info to my dad and he says he probably won't vote at all. Done and done! :D

[wfandi]

:o I have had the same problem with just my Mom-my Dad is going McCain-but with my Mom-she wants to write in Ron Paul and I am beating my head against the wall trying to stress how close the race is and that her vote will be wasted-we are in NC-I am in a District that elected Hillary!!! But, there's didn't-and most of NC elected Obama-so I also have an Aunt-a school teacher for 30 yrs-voting for Obama/anyone in the Dem party. She and my Mom-just rant on to me-DO YOU THINK THIS IS THE 1ST TIME THIS HAS HAPPENED!? I'm like well, yeah-I do. I know there has been corruption in all elections but NOT like this time.
They are victims of the MSM. I tried saying-turned to FOX you aren't getting truth reporting-and I get knocked down again-my poor neighbor has a 55 yr old daughter who works for the Dept of Ag. in NC who has drunk the kool-aid.
I have something I can post on here-alot of good ref points with videos-that might be helpful-it isn't to me b/c mine will not take the time to read it or watch the videos.
HANG IN THERE! DON'T LET IT GET YOU DOWN-if you can prevent that!
Always,
Deb

[Ray_of_Hope]

Well, showing my mom the video of Obama mocking the Bible was certainly enough but she was greatly disturbed by the singing children and the caucus fraud documentaries preview. She watches a lot of Christian shows and knows about Oprah's cult so I showed her the "Oprah Church Exposed" video. We had a nice talk about how the party has changed and how dangerous Obama is. We also talked about the comparison of what's going on and what the Bible states is going to happen in the end. She is certainly not voting for Obama. Of course she was relaying this info to my dad and he says he probably won't vote at all. Done and done! :D


I am so glad you were able to get through to your mother :). I hope your father changes his mind about not voting.

Sadly, it is my mother who is my only ally in my entire immediate family. The rest are either supporters of Obama or Hillary-turned-Obama supporters (because voting Republican would be an oh-so-horrible disaster).

[HillaryVsPalin2012]

Well, showing my mom the video of Obama mocking the Bible was certainly enough but she was greatly disturbed by the singing children and the caucus fraud documentaries preview. She watches a lot of Christian shows and knows about Oprah's cult so I showed her the "Oprah Church Exposed" video. We had a nice talk about how the party has changed and how dangerous Obama is. We also talked about the comparison of what's going on and what the Bible states is going to happen in the end. She is certainly not voting for Obama. Of course she was relaying this info to my dad and he says he probably won't vote at all. Done and done! :D

You are amazing, Jen.

[HillaryVsPalin2012]

Someone should let your reletivs know that this Bail out bill, is to make it easier on the banks and mortgage company to let your relatives go into foreclosure, because now the bank or mortgage company will not be out the money. So they can care less if the home goes into forclosure, no skin off thier teeth, the congress has taken out much of the incentive that banks had to renegotiate or extend credit to those that are being hurt the most.

Not only that, your relatives will now have to pay in taxes for the privilage of being foreclosed, because the tax payer dollar that every working citizen pays is going to be used to bail out banks so it will be easier for them to drop your credit, or foreclose your home.

Very good point! Unfortunately, I think the only way to get them to convert is to get Oprah to tell them to vote McCain. They're even bigger Oprah-bots than Obama-bots...