I'm so mad

[marc]

I'm talking to my wife and I'm mad at the american people ive never been this made at people in my life. Why cant americans see in obama all the associations of these bad men he has been with.Why cant people see he has zero expereince why cant people see how his policies wont work.I think my hormones are all wacked because since the bail out vote i'm mad i'm sad I held my daughter the other night and cried I'm afraid if he is in office we are all screwed. I'm so mad. Something has to be wrong because ive posted this about how americans cant be this way and vote for someone like obama.Are americans that uneducated and fall for this bull shit with obama or am I right and say that its the msm media and the polls are wrong

[Bella]

I know this isn't comforting, but it will get better. I felt exactly like you until a few weeks ago when I just started to prepare myself for what will no doubt happen in November. I blogged for Gore in 2000 and was probably more of a Gore fan than a Hillary fan as I went to his rally's and FL during recounting where I didn't attend any of the protests in honor of Hillary this year. I was let down in a major way in 2000 and it took me a long time to recover. We are all going thru different stages of emotion right now and it's good to let your anger out and look for support. I was sickened after Bush was elected yet again in 2004, though I wasn't all that much for Kerry I still blogged and voted for him. I think Obama is just another Bush that will destroy the country even further. FWIW, I'm not really surprised the citizens of our country will vote Obama. Remember, it's the same country that voted for Bush, TWICE.

[Horizon]

I'm talking to my wife and I'm mad at the american people ive never been this made at people in my life. Why cant americans see in obama all the associations of these bad men he has been with.Why cant people see he has zero expereince why cant people see how his policies wont work.I think my hormones are all wacked because since the bail out vote i'm mad i'm sad I held my daughter the other night and cried I'm afraid if he is in office we are all screwed. I'm so mad. Something has to be wrong because ive posted this about how americans cant be this way and vote for someone like obama.Are americans that uneducated and fall for this bull shit with obama or am I right and say that its the msm media and the polls are wrong
We all understand Marc.We are on the same ship you are.Here's what you do.....
Turn your anger into ACTION!! Make it work FOR you,not against you!Don't let it suck you up,get busy! Get down to your local McCain HQ and start making calls.You can even do that from home.Pass out flyers,knock on doors,whatever it takes,but DO NOT WALLOW IN YOUR ANGER!! Email every media outlet,Senator,Governor,whoever,but be busy.I hate to use this word,but,Change starts with you,and me and everyone else who believes we can not have this MONSTER in office!

[SantaCruzen]

Just remember, 18 Million did vote for Hillary and we do not know how many millions are still quite upset and feel the same way as you and all of us have.

[LetsHelpAmerica]

I'm talking to my wife and I'm mad at the american people ive never been this made at people in my life. Why cant americans see in obama all the associations of these bad men he has been with.Why cant people see he has zero expereince why cant people see how his policies wont work.I think my hormones are all wacked because since the bail out vote i'm mad i'm sad I held my daughter the other night and cried I'm afraid if he is in office we are all screwed. I'm so mad. Something has to be wrong because ive posted this about how americans cant be this way and vote for someone like obama.Are americans that uneducated and fall for this bull shit with obama or am I right and say that its the msm media and the polls are wrong

Dear Marc,
I feel all the things you are feeling and I certainly have my moments of
despair and shock at what I am seeing this election. But, through it all,
I am convinced that we will make this work! We will prevail in the end!!
We can and will do this! We will do it for ourselves and for America. We will
defeat Obama!! We will elect Senator John McCain and Governor Sarah Palin to the White House!!! Please keep the faith even when it is so very hard to do! This makes all the difference!!!

[hillwillwin08]

Most people get their information SOLELY from the
MSM. They don't know what we know. They haven't done the
research we have done. They do not question the MSM. After all,
if it's on CNN, it must be true. How can you question Wolf Blitzer
and his team?

They are buying the MSM spin hook, line and sinker.

McCain and Palin are going to work their hearts out in the next
four weeks telling the people what we know about Obama, but
if the people buy the MSM spin, we are screwed.

I still have faith though that saner heads will come around
in the privacy of the voting booth.

[Skylight]

I don't want to ruffle any feathers here since this is a Hillary forum. Even though Bush has made mistakes, we as Americans have had the luxury of going to sleep safely at night without too much fear of another 9/11. He did try to get reform in 2001 for FM, FM. The Democrats shot it down, as they did every time it was introduced. Yes, I'm angry too at the way Americans have closed their eyes to the truth about this man. (Obama) I think I'd rather have 4 more years of Bush than Obama in the White House. He has been blamed for everything, including Hurricane Katrina. The hatred for this man is on keel with the hatred for Sarah Palin. And, it's coming from the radical left for the most part.

[movingtous]

Marc,
I feel your pain. I had to yell at my husband a few days ago and asked him not to talk about politics with me. Not this year, anyway. We've never really disagreed over politics before this election. We ended up calling each other names, and that's when I asked him to zip it, he wouldn't change my mind!

[freethinker]

I don't want to ruffle any feathers here since this is a Hillary forum. Even though Bush has made mistakes, we as Americans have had the luxury of going to sleep safely at night without too much fear of another 9/11. He did try to get reform in 2001 for FM, FM. The Democrats shot it down, as they did every time it was introduced. Yes, I'm angry too at the way Americans have closed their eyes to the truth about this man. (Obama) I think I'd rather have 4 more years of Bush than Obama in the White House. He has been blamed for everything, including Hurricane Katrina. The hatred for this man is on keel with the hatred for Sarah Palin. And, it's coming from the radical left for the most part.

I agree with you. And I don't like Dubya.

[12counts]

I don't want to ruffle any feathers here since this is a Hillary forum. Even though Bush has made mistakes, we as Americans have had the luxury of going to sleep safely at night without too much fear of another 9/11. He did try to get reform in 2001 for FM, FM. The Democrats shot it down, as they did every time it was introduced. Yes, I'm angry too at the way Americans have closed their eyes to the truth about this man. (Obama) I think I'd rather have 4 more years of Bush than Obama in the White House. He has been blamed for everything, including Hurricane Katrina. The hatred for this man is on keel with the hatred for Sarah Palin. And, it's coming from the radical left for the most part.

Obama is terrible, but please, let's not revise history. Bush has been a disaster as President.

He is not "blamed for Hurricane Katrina" but criticized (justly) for his ham-fisted, slow-footed response.

And I can't speak for everyone, but I am in constant worry about another 9/11, seeing as how Bush's mismanagement of the Iraq war and refusal to follow McCain's good advice from the beginning has actually strengthened al-Qaeda.

Now I'm not ready to lay the whole economic crisis at his doorstep...but even without it Bush would still be an epic fail as President. He has accomplished nothing domestically. Completely failed to reign in illegal immigration. Turned a budget surplus into the biggest deficit ever and refused to use his veto power to stop reckless spending. He has embarrased this great nation and destroyed the Republican brand. MCain should have won in 2000. Bush never should have been elected, and I'd rather see a pet rock in office than live through one more day of George W. Bush!

[Den2006]

I completely understand it is truely sobering when you realize that even if McCain is able to pull this out that there are so many Americans that are so completely lost that they are buying the snake oil that Obama is selling. Even with a McCain/Palin victory it's not over the behavior of the major press outlets has been disgraseful. The apalling behavior of our Representatives in Wachington come to light. The entire system clearly needs to be cleaned up and put back in the hands of the people. We need to be vigilant of these so called "grass roots" movements funded by taxpayer money that don't have the interests of the country at heart and cut them off the federal dime. Our work is just beginning.

[jlynne]

On the way home today, I told my husband we should move back to Texas. He looked startled. I reminded him that TX has a provision in its Constitution so that it can leave the United States at any time. I said it is a red state and will never support an communist/socialist government like Obama plans. He laughed a little and said well they do have Port of Houston and all the gas refineries and enough guns per person to make sure no army could take it without a long, bitter fight.

I know it is over the top. Maybe I have read too many Obama will cause a depression articles. But I find myself asking what I will do if Obama is as bad as I fear he is and the answer that keeps coming to my mind is I will fight to live in a free country again.

I am going to the McCain headquarters tomorrow to see if I can get some more yard signs. That may make me feel better.

[12counts]

I completely understand it is truely sobering when you realize that even if McCain is able to pull this out that there are so many Americans that are so completely lost that they are buying the snake oil that Obama is selling.

I am absolutely terrified that Barack Obama even has a chance of becoming President of this country. It's beyond shocking.

I don't care what anybody says about ignoring the polls: they are truly scary. How can ANYONE vote for this man?

[Bella]

I don't want to ruffle any feathers here since this is a Hillary forum. Even though Bush has made mistakes, we as Americans have had the luxury of going to sleep safely at night without too much fear of another 9/11. He did try to get reform in 2001 for FM, FM. The Democrats shot it down, as they did every time it was introduced. Yes, I'm angry too at the way Americans have closed their eyes to the truth about this man. (Obama) I think I'd rather have 4 more years of Bush than Obama in the White House. He has been blamed for everything, including Hurricane Katrina. The hatred for this man is on keel with the hatred for Sarah Palin. And, it's coming from the radical left for the most part.

I'm with Hillary on this, we can't afford another 4 years of Bush. ;) Thankfully he can't go for another term tho I'm sure he'd love to.

I don't think people hate Palin like they do Bush. His approval rating is 22-27% depending on the poll. Palin's is around 67%. As far as the country as a whole? I think you'd even find bots voting Palin any day of the week over Bush.

[freethinker]

Obama is terrible, but please, let's not revise history. Bush has been a disaster as President.

He is not "blamed for Hurricane Katrina" but criticized (justly) for his ham-fisted, slow-footed response.

And I can't speak for everyone, but I am in constant worry about another 9/11, seeing as how Bush's mismanagement of the Iraq war and refusal to follow McCain's good advice from the beginning has actually strengthened al-Qaeda.

Now I'm not ready to lay the whole economic crisis at his doorstep...but even without it Bush would still be an epic fail as President. He has accomplished nothing domestically. Completely failed to reign in illegal immigration. Turned a budget surplus into the biggest deficit ever and refused to use his veto power to stop reckless spending. He has embarrased this great nation and destroyed the Republican brand. MCain should have won in 2000. Bush never should have been elected, and I'd rather see a pet rock in office than live through one more day of George W. Bush!


Too true!

Ack! That is why we were so happy to have HRC!! How on earth did we end up with BO?!

:eek:

[foxyladi]

Just remember, 18 Million did vote for Hillary and we do not know how many millions are still quite upset and feel the same way as you and all of us have.

we will all feel better.nov.5th.when we have our new potus.john mccain!!!!!!and check out that v,p,:D:D

[Hillaryisourhero]

Originally posted by marc

I'm talking to my wife and I'm mad at the american people ive never been this made at people in my life. Why cant americans see all the evil in obama all the associations of these bad men he has been with.Why cant people see he has zero expereince why cant people see how his policies wont work.

YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE. I AM MAD AS HELL. EVERYTHING YOU SAID IS TRUE AND MORE. ALL I CAN SAY IS MANY YOUTH AND AFRO-AMERICANS AND SOME WHITES BECAUSE OF WHITE GUILT ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR OBAMA BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T REALIZE IT WOULD BE A BAD IDEA AND I MEAN NO DISREPECT TO BLACKS, JUST A FACT THAT A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF THEM AND MANY WHITES ARE VOTING HIM IN BECAUSE OF HIS SKIN COLOR. I AM NOT VOTING ON SKIN COLOR AND SMART PEOPLE ARE NOT. BUT YES, IT IS HORRIBLE TO SWALLOW THAT HE MAY GET IN. THERE IS ALL KINDS OF VOTER FRAUD, TOO, THAT COULD SWAY THE ELECTION.:mad:

YouTube - BTW I'm Voting For Mccain / Palin

[Destiny]

Half of the American people are able to be brainwashed.

Marc, be relieved that you are not that half of the 50%.

Obama and the Madison Ad Agencies created a cult.

Cult members are brainwashed.


P.U.M.A.

[lynfreedom]

and since they are listening to the msm, it is up to all of us to get on the phones and get on the streets and get to the people who do not know better.
Hopefully this townhall debate, mccain's strong arena will change some minds.

[Kbentleyis]

I'm not sure it's brainwashing for many, just uninformed. We have to get it out there. Marc, everytime I get feeling scared or down about the elections, I get busy. I'm house bound and can't go canvasing, but sure as hell can type and send emails and letters. I constantly am sending letters to editors and commenting on online newspapers. Get busy. Ivana Trump said, "Don't get angry, get even!" Go to it!

[Strongwomenrock]

I'm talking to my wife and I'm mad at the american people ive never been this made at people in my life. Why cant americans see in obama all the associations of these bad men he has been with.Why cant people see he has zero expereince why cant people see how his policies wont work.I think my hormones are all wacked because since the bail out vote i'm mad i'm sad I held my daughter the other night and cried I'm afraid if he is in office we are all screwed. I'm so mad. Something has to be wrong because ive posted this about how americans cant be this way and vote for someone like obama.Are americans that uneducated and fall for this bull shit with obama or am I right and say that its the msm media and the polls are wrong

I know how you feel. I went ballistic on someone yesterday when they told me McCain's poll numbers are down. I was sure they were going to go up after the Palin debate.

[mavfin]

I agree with you. And I don't like Dubya.

I don't like the man, either, but I shudder to think where we'd be now with Kerry at the helm. :(:eek:

Much better to get McCain in there, because I'm afraid an Obama presidency would be a worse fail than Dubya.

[fsantarpia]

I would like to make two points. First, since you are backing a Republican, even though vitually all of you are NOT Republicans on this forum, let me warn you that the polls will NEVER be your friend. Not when the MSM supports the other candidate - but you know that, don't you? You learned it during the primaries.

So please don't concern yourself too much with the polls. Republican candidates, for whatever reason, DO NOT POLL WELL.

I'm with Hillary on this, we can't afford another 4 years of Bush. ;) Thankfully he can't go for another term tho I'm sure he'd love to.

I don't think people hate Palin like they do Bush. His approval rating is 22-27% depending on the poll. Palin's is around 67%. As far as the country as a whole? I think you'd even find bots voting Palin any day of the week over Bush.


My second point is this:

You saw during the end stages of the primaries your candidate scorned and demeaned. You were probably shocked at the level of venom directed at Senator Clinton - and probably railed at the injustice of it. Felt powerless to stop it, too, right? But there was no denying that ordinarily fair and discerning people were hatin' on Hillary when the MSM really got going on the Clintons.

As a lifelong Republican and Conservative I thought I had no dog in that hunt, and though I watched with detachment, I was "amused" to see the shock and horror on the faces of Hillary supporters as they slowly had the knife twisted into their backs by the agenda-driven MSM. No lie was too big, and no protestation of those lies were ever reported.

How long did that go on? Till Hillary backed out for the good of her party - showing a loyalty that was NEVER extended to her. Am I right about that?

Now take what you have seen happen to Mrs. Clinton at the hands of the MSM, and multiply it by a thousand times, NAY, TEN THOUSAND TIMES, and you might understand why President Bush's approval numbers are where they are. Under the brutal onslaught of the MSM, the intellectual elites, Hollywood, and the global community, few of us could remain standing. At least he has done that.

Additionally, having been through what you have been through during the nominating process, you realize that often the truth and common sense get lost in a fog of hateful ink.

I enjoy this community. I will stay here as long as we have common purpose and speak to each other with respect - despite our political differences. But we defeat that purpose, imo, if we look backwards and debate the last 8 years. There would be no point to it, it would misdirect our energies, and trust me, I could debate you to a draw, anyway. :p

[Lynne]

Would an Obama presidency be as bad as I think it will be? Essentially a lot of censorship, people strong-armed to fall in line, high taxes....

[mrkalbo]

Would an Obama presidency be as bad as I think it will be? Essentially a lot of censorship, people strong-armed to fall in line, high taxes....

Its ironic the Obama campaign talking point is McCain is the same as Bush where if we really analyze and look back of the composition of their TEAM (Obama/ Biden)...it's them who really look like BUSH/CHENEY 2000. It was Bush inexperience at that time was solely the reason he pick Cheney so can be relied on for his expertise on national scene.

[reddirtgirl]

Obama is terrible, but please, let's not revise history. Bush has been a disaster as President.

He is not "blamed for Hurricane Katrina" but criticized (justly) for his ham-fisted, slow-footed response.

And I can't speak for everyone, but I am in constant worry about another 9/11, seeing as how Bush's mismanagement of the Iraq war and refusal to follow McCain's good advice from the beginning has actually strengthened al-Qaeda.

Now I'm not ready to lay the whole economic crisis at his doorstep...but even without it Bush would still be an epic fail as President. He has accomplished nothing domestically. Completely failed to reign in illegal immigration. Turned a budget surplus into the biggest deficit ever and refused to use his veto power to stop reckless spending. He has embarrased this great nation and destroyed the Republican brand. MCain should have won in 2000. Bush never should have been elected, and I'd rather see a pet rock in office than live through one more day of George W. Bush!


I agree with you 99.9%. You are completely right about Bush. Not only has he done all the things you say, he is also responsible for taking many of our civil liberties away (illegal wiretapping comes to mind). He not only wrecked this nation, but also drove almost every single allied nation away. George did it HIS WAY. With no concern AT ALL of public opinion, or legalities.

My only disagreement with you is rather having a pet rock in office than Bush. That pet rock could turn out to be Obama, and he would be worse than George - by a long shot!!

[fsantarpia]

Obama is terrible, but please, let's not revise history. Bush has been a disaster as President.

He is not "blamed for Hurricane Katrina" but criticized (justly) for his ham-fisted, slow-footed response.

And I can't speak for everyone, but I am in constant worry about another 9/11, seeing as how Bush's mismanagement of the Iraq war and refusal to follow McCain's good advice from the beginning has actually strengthened al-Qaeda.

Now I'm not ready to lay the whole economic crisis at his doorstep...but even without it Bush would still be an epic fail as President. He has accomplished nothing domestically. Completely failed to reign in illegal immigration. Turned a budget surplus into the biggest deficit ever and refused to use his veto power to stop reckless spending. He has embarrased this great nation and destroyed the Republican brand. MCain should have won in 2000. Bush never should have been elected, and I'd rather see a pet rock in office than live through one more day of George W. Bush!

1. Ham-handed and slow-footed responses might be better laid at the doorstep of the Democratic Mayor of New Orleans and the Democratic Governor of Louisiana, who ignored advice to evacuate until it was too late. Funny how under Jindal everything went so smoothly...

2. Well, considering that we ALL thought we would be struck a second time soon after 9/11, and we haven't been, I would say Bush has done a pretty good job of keeping us safe. If I had asked you on 9/12/01 if you thought we'd be free from attacks for the next seven years, would you have said yes? Probably not. Additionally, everything that I have read seems to indicate that Iraq has been a DISASTER for al-Queda, who has lost virtually everything in Iraq, including the support of much of the world Muslim community, and are once again confined to the rugged Afghan/Paki terrain.

Regarding the surge, Bush has ALWAYS, and properly, taken his advice form his commanding generals. He should no more have listened to McCain's demands to put more boots on the ground than to Reid's demands that he pull them all out. That McCain turned out to be right is gratifying, but Bush followed the recommendations of Petraeus.

3. I agree that he has done nothing re: illegal immigration.

4. Bush inherited an economy that had been turning down for the last two quarters of the Clinton administration. His tax cuts fomented a roaring economy with miniscule unemployment and virtually no inflation that was only brought to heel when Obama/ACORN/Franks/Dodd/Meeks/Waters/et.al. social engineering forced banks to make bad loans under threat of DOJ investigations and prosecutions. As to the deficit, I lay much of the blame at the high cost of prosecuting the WOT, but ultimately agree with you that....

5. He did little to rein in spending.

And finally, had America presented a united front, as we here are attempting to now, there would be no talk of embarrassment. But the bitter and smug MSM continually denigrated and demeaned him, was given creedence by the Reids and Pelosis in Congress, and the big lie became the commonly accepted belief.

I hope we're beyond this. As I said in an earlier post - Hillary supporters now have first-hand knowledge of the way this works. I truly, truly believe that if Al Gore were elected, and did exactly the same things that George Bush did, there would be no such hyperbole.

[Bella]

You saw during the end stages of the primaries your candidate scorned and demeaned. You were probably shocked at the level of venom directed at Senator Clinton - and probably railed at the injustice of it. Felt powerless to stop it, too, right? But there was no denying that ordinarily fair and discerning people were hatin' on Hillary when the MSM really got going on the Clintons.

As a lifelong Republican and Conservative I thought I had no dog in that hunt, and though I watched with detachment, I was "amused" to see the shock and horror on the faces of Hillary supporters as they slowly had the knife twisted into their backs by the agenda-driven MSM. No lie was too big, and no protestation of those lies were ever reported.

How long did that go on? Till Hillary backed out for the good of her party - showing a loyalty that was NEVER extended to her. Am I right about that?


How does the horrific way the MSM treated Hillary have any comparison to the way GW Bush was portrayed? Apples and oranges. Hillary didn't do anything other than run a clean campaign, be the most qualified to run this country, and genuinely care about the future of its citizens. She didn't spend the last eight years trashing and destroying this country like George 'he tried to kill my Daddy' Bush did. Remember the MSM loved GW too when he first ran, he was the guy you could sit in the living room and have a beer with. When was that same type of treatment afforded to Hillary? What was she possibly guilty of other than daring to run against the second coming? GW gets every bit of scrutiny and negative press that he deserves.

I don't know what the figures are, but I don't believe the MSM has went after Bush ten thousand times over the attacks against Hillary. Again, his negative press is justified, hers was not. Since when is it ok to attack someone just because of their gender or make comments how the Clintons are 'pimping out their daughter in a weird sort of way'.

I don't know why you would be amused to watch us suffer. :( I cannot stand Bush, but I would never wish harm or hurt on his fans, especially if he went thru what Hillary endured. Then again, I've never seen any sexism against men in the media.

[fsantarpia]

I don't know why you would be amused to watch us suffer. :( I cannot stand Bush, but I would never wish harm or hurt on his fans, especially if he went thru what Hillary endured. Then again, I've never seen any sexism against men in the media.

Bella, I apologize, but I put the word "amused" in quotes for a reason; I did not intend for it to mean schadenfreude. I really couldn't come up with the correct word but what I wanted to convey was that I never expected in my lifetime to see any Democrat get the same treatment from the MSM as Republicans get.

You know I have the greatest respect for what you have done and the courage you here have shown. But I must point out the you have seen first hand how powerfully someone can be demonized, as with both Hillary and Sarah. And you may believe in your heart that they are a different matter than Bush, that they were persecuted because of gender - and that would be part of it, but by no means all of it. Gender was and is only the most convenient avenue of attack. Both Hillary and Sarah's biggest crime, to the MSM, was trying to stand in the way of Obama, the anointed one.

I will ask again what I asked in a different post. If Al Gore had been elected, and done every single thing that Bush has done, would the reaction of the MSM, and hence the reaction of so many in the Democratic party, been the same? I think not. When you want to see the logic of a President's policies and decisions you can see it - when you absolutely don't want to see it - you won't. That allows you to say that the criticism of Bush was justified. Well, you can see that Obama's supporters think the same way about Hillary - the MSM attacks were justified.

I think the circumstances surrounding the 2000 doomed either candidate - no matter what the final outcome, the winner was going to preside over a divided country, one half of which would be bitter and angry. So Bush's unpopularity was a fait accompli the minute he took office, as it would have been in the other direction had the shoe been on the other foot.

It's all in your point of view, or perspective. I strongly believe in political relativism.

[eviee]

I don't want to ruffle any feathers here since this is a Hillary forum. Even though Bush has made mistakes, we as Americans have had the luxury of going to sleep safely at night without too much fear of another 9/11. He did try to get reform in 2001 for FM, FM. The Democrats shot it down, as they did every time it was introduced. Yes, I'm angry too at the way Americans have closed their eyes to the truth about this man. (Obama) I think I'd rather have 4 more years of Bush than Obama in the White House. He has been blamed for everything, including Hurricane Katrina. The hatred for this man is on keel with the hatred for Sarah Palin. And, it's coming from the radical left for the most part.


I was never for Bush, but the primaries along with the general elections, has opened my eyes to the risks within the very soil we walk on. The media has failed miserably with its bias against the Clintons, McCain, and Palin, while intentionally carrying Obama. Its a disgrace and although I never voted for Bush, I'm begining to give Bush the benefit of the doubt.

[Michael White]

I don't want to ruffle any feathers here since this is a Hillary forum. Even though Bush has made mistakes, we as Americans have had the luxury of going to sleep safely at night without too much fear of another 9/11. He did try to get reform in 2001 for FM, FM. The Democrats shot it down, as they did every time it was introduced. Yes, I'm angry too at the way Americans have closed their eyes to the truth about this man. (Obama) I think I'd rather have 4 more years of Bush than Obama in the White House. He has been blamed for everything, including Hurricane Katrina. The hatred for this man is on keel with the hatred for Sarah Palin. And, it's coming from the radical left for the most part.


At least with G.W. we know who is parents are and where they came from. And while I'M reasonably sure we were screwed over on a regular basis by G.W. I AM equally or more sure that he is loyal to America and that our personal safety is not at risk.

I cannot say the same for BHO.

[Michael White]

On the way home today, I told my husband we should move back to Texas. He looked startled. I reminded him that TX has a provision in its Constitution so that it can leave the United States at any time. I said it is a red state and will never support an communist/socialist government like Obama plans. He laughed a little and said well they do have Port of Houston and all the gas refineries and enough guns per person to make sure no army could take it without a long, bitter fight.

I know it is over the top. Maybe I have read too many Obama will cause a depression articles. But I find myself asking what I will do if Obama is as bad as I fear he is and the answer that keeps coming to my mind is I will fight to live in a free country again.

I am going to the McCain headquarters tomorrow to see if I can get some more yard signs. That may make me feel better.


I'M willing to relocate to Texas. I once lived South of Corpus Christy when I was a kid. Those folks have a great life style and are maybe some of the last of the Free Americans.

[12counts]

1. Ham-handed and slow-footed responses might be better laid at the doorstep of the Democratic Mayor of New Orleans and the Democratic Governor of Louisiana, who ignored advice to evacuate until it was too late. Funny how under Jindal everything went so smoothly...

2. Well, considering that we ALL thought we would be struck a second time soon after 9/11, and we haven't been, I would say Bush has done a pretty good job of keeping us safe. If I had asked you on 9/12/01 if you thought we'd be free from attacks for the next seven years, would you have said yes? Probably not. Additionally, everything that I have read seems to indicate that Iraq has been a DISASTER for al-Queda, who has lost virtually everything in Iraq, including the support of much of the world Muslim community, and are once again confined to the rugged Afghan/Paki terrain.

Regarding the surge, Bush has ALWAYS, and properly, taken his advice form his commanding generals. He should no more have listened to McCain's demands to put more boots on the ground than to Reid's demands that he pull them all out. That McCain turned out to be right is gratifying, but Bush followed the recommendations of Petraeus.

3. I agree that he has done nothing re: illegal immigration.

4. Bush inherited an economy that had been turning down for the last two quarters of the Clinton administration. His tax cuts fomented a roaring economy with miniscule unemployment and virtually no inflation that was only brought to heel when Obama/ACORN/Franks/Dodd/Meeks/Waters/et.al. social engineering forced banks to make bad loans under threat of DOJ investigations and prosecutions. As to the deficit, I lay much of the blame at the high cost of prosecuting the WOT, but ultimately agree with you that....

5. He did little to rein in spending.

And finally, had America presented a united front, as we here are attempting to now, there would be no talk of embarrassment. But the bitter and smug MSM continually denigrated and demeaned him, was given creedence by the Reids and Pelosis in Congress, and the big lie became the commonly accepted belief.

I hope we're beyond this. As I said in an earlier post - Hillary supporters now have first-hand knowledge of the way this works. I truly, truly believe that if Al Gore were elected, and did exactly the same things that George Bush did, there would be no such hyperbole.

1. No, the ham-handed, slow-footed response belongs to Bush too. He should have responded like it was a national crisis. He didn't. Jindal had the benefit of hindsight, as did the Democrats in Louisiana and New Orleans (and George Bush, who learned his lesson) who worked with him the second time around. Bush and his buddy Brownie deserved all the criticism he got for Katrina and then some.

2. Bush has kept us safe since 9/11. Good for him. But to say we are in the clear and no longer feel unsafe is patently untrue. It is a plain fact that there are now more members of al-Qaeda than there were before Bush mismanaged the war, and this is a direct result of his refusal to listen to Powell, McCain and others who tried in vain to get him to reject Rumsfeld's failed strategies. It is precisely because we are still in danger and still at war with terror that we we need a steely, tested and tried patriot like McCain in White House right now.

As for Bush listening to generals and generals only, this is plainly ridiculous and the fact that the surge WORKED and McCain was right (and the generals wrong) proves it. A President should do what works, not what the military tells him.

In this country, civilians control the military, not vice versa. This is NOT a militia state.

The military exists to protect and serve the people of the United States of America; they have no power except that which is given to them by the People. Bush's refusal to listen to will of the People, his refusal to allow sound minds in the Senate to advise and consent as they are instructed to do in the Constitution, is more proof of his tenuous grasp on his duties President.

4. Bush inherited a surplus that he turned into a deficit by doing nothing to reign in Congress's out of control spending. His refusal to regulate out of control oil speculation not only increased inflation, but yes, it conspired with the ACORN/Dodd/Frank mess to brink the American economy to the brink (fortunately, we are Americans and we are resilient and will continue to survive and thrive). His tax cuts for wealthy bubble was just that -- a bubble.

I am beyond Bush. But I will not stand for revisionist history. I'm sorry, but he has been a terrible President. Terrible for Republicans. Terrible for Democrats. Terrible for moderates, conservatives, liberals, and libertarians.

I don't need Obama or the mainstream media crapmasters to tell me what I can see and have lived through.

[Hillaryisourhero]

Originally Posted by Skylight
I don't want to ruffle any feathers here since this is a Hillary forum. Even though Bush has made mistakes, we as Americans have had the luxury of going to sleep safely at night without too much fear of another 9/11. He did try to get reform in 2001 for FM, FM. The Democrats shot it down, as they did every time it was introduced. Yes, I'm angry too at the way Americans have closed their eyes to the truth about this man. (Obama) I think I'd rather have 4 more years of Bush than Obama in the White House. He has been blamed for everything, including Hurricane Katrina. The hatred for this man is on keel with the hatred for Sarah Palin. And, it's coming from the radical left for the most part.

I AGREE COMPLETELY. I ACTUALLY FEEL A TINY BIT SORRY FOR BUSH, SINCE I KNOW, WHILE HE IS A RICH GUY WHO DOESN'T RELATE TO ORDINARY PEOPLE, HE IS NOT A HORRIBLE HUMAN OTHERWISE. HE DOESN'T KNOW ANY OTHER WAY TO RUN THE COUNTRY THAN FOR THE RICH MAN, NOR DOES HE WANT TO LEARN. I FEEL BAD FOR HIS FAMILY, BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY LOVELY AND NICE. BUSH IS AN OK DUDE IN HIS OWN ELEMENT, HE JUST SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN ELECTED PRESIDENT. BUT IT SHOWS YOU HOW PEOPLE CAN BE HANDED KOOLAID AND THEY DRINK IT. IT MAY HAPPEN WITH OBAMA. HE WOULD BE OUR FIRST PRESIDENT WHO WENT FROM RADICAL TO COMMANDER IN CHIEF.:(

[mjoynaples]

Just remember, 18 Million did vote for Hillary and we do not know how many millions are still quite upset and feel the same way as you and all of us have.

along with PLEASE AMERICA WAKE UP... see what will befall us if we do not all put inton action serious action PLAN B... M-P

[INDY4PUMAS]

The math should be simple:

Republicans + 18 million Hillary supporters = McCain Presidency

What is wrong with this picture?

[SoCal4Hillary]

Most people get their information SOLELY from the MSM. They don't know what we know. They haven't done the research we have done. They do not question the MSM. After all, if it's on CNN, it must be true. How can you question Wolf Blitzer
and his team?

They are buying the MSM spin hook, line and sinker.This is VERY true, at least in my experience.

Take my mother, for example. She voted for Hillary in our primary, and I have convinced her that Obama is scum and she must vote for McCain, and I'm glad for that! However, she KEEPS bringing up that Obama sure looks good, Obama sure looks presidential, Obama sure looks like he KNOWS what he's talking about...and when I ask her WHY she thinks that, it's because "they" (the MSM) are showing him that way. I'll ask her, "have you heard about XYZ?" (like the Berg vs Obama lawsuit, or the Indonesian citizenship, or Obama traveling to Pakistan back when US citizens couldn't do that) and her answer is ALWAYS no. When I tell her that the MSM she's watching are skewing the truth, and HIDING facts about Obama that might damage him, she correctly points out that MOST people--average, run of the mill folks--are NOT aware of the stuff I am. She's right. Now what the hell are we going to do about it? :confused: :mad:

[Artists4Hillary]

Obama is terrible, but please, let's not revise history. Bush has been a disaster as President.

He is not "blamed for Hurricane Katrina" but criticized (justly) for his ham-fisted, slow-footed response.

And I can't speak for everyone, but I am in constant worry about another 9/11, seeing as how Bush's mismanagement of the Iraq war and refusal to follow McCain's good advice from the beginning has actually strengthened al-Qaeda.

Now I'm not ready to lay the whole economic crisis at his doorstep...but even without it Bush would still be an epic fail as President. He has accomplished nothing domestically. Completely failed to reign in illegal immigration. Turned a budget surplus into the biggest deficit ever and refused to use his veto power to stop reckless spending. He has embarrased this great nation and destroyed the Republican brand. MCain should have won in 2000. Bush never should have been elected, and I'd rather see a pet rock in office than live through one more day of George W. Bush!

Amen! As far as I'm concerned, he will go down as the worst President ever.

He did try to get reform in 2001, but he was utterly lazy in coming down hard on Congress. Worst of all, because of the shape the country is in, a la Bush, the way has been paved for an Obama to enter the scene.

[Mrsawd]

I Am With You All I Pray That All His Ignoance And Cheating Does Him No Good !

No Bo President Ever!

[YourAussieFriend]

Down here in Australia one week before the 2004 Federal Election the Labour Party with a true nut case as their leader were well in front in the polls - by election day - on the day when it came to actually voting putting a tick on the ballot paper it all came down to 'can you trust this man, this party' - it was a landslide to Howard and the Liberal Party.

There was a larger than usual percentage of undecided voters

Have faith:)

[Destiny]

This is VERY true, at least in my experience.

Take my mother, for example. She voted for Hillary in our primary, and I have convinced her that Obama is scum and she must vote for McCain, and I'm glad for that! However, she KEEPS bringing up that Obama sure looks good, Obama sure looks presidential, Obama sure looks like he KNOWS what he's talking about...and when I ask her WHY she thinks that, it's because "they" (the MSM) are showing him that way. I'll ask her, "have you heard about XYZ?" (like the Berg vs Obama lawsuit, or the Indonesian citizenship, or Obama traveling to Pakistan back when US citizens couldn't do that) and her answer is ALWAYS no. When I tell her that the MSM she's watching are skewing the truth, and HIDING facts about Obama that might damage him, she correctly points out that MOST people--average, run of the mill folks--are NOT aware of the stuff I am. She's right. Now what the hell are we going to do about it? :confused: :mad:

This is exactly what I have been going through with my mother. You can only imagine how many millions of people are going through this as well.
I mentioned a while back (on the Forum) that my father-in-law said that he knew everything that is going on with Obama because he watched the news every night. Many Forum members answered that they also had a family member that said the same thing. Frightening!

Here is my suggestion. We need to stop talking to Obama (brainwashed) supporters and only talk to the undecided. I still have my Hillary for President sign on my car and lawn. I wear my Hillary for President T-shirt, my PUMA T-shirt and my PUMA bracelet. I get asked all the time "are you one of them and how can you vote for McCain"? I say that Obama is anti-American, a racist, an idiot and a fraud. McCain is an American. If they ask me to explain, then Obama is not going to get their vote.

Read up on the facts and seek out the open minded voter and you'll feel better knowing that you are making a difference, just like we did with our mothers!

NO OBAMA - NEVER

P.U.M.A.

[Ca Teacher]

I do agree with you about the media spin impacting the way that people perceive Bush.

My uncle and a cousin are both in the media business--(they are very liberal) and I do know some of what goes on behind the scenes.

I think that in 20 years--Bush will be regarded as a very good president--perhaps even a great president. This is from a fair, objective person who NEVER voted for him. It is disgusting the way the media shapes opinion.

They are very successful at it too...

[seawave]

I believe the media thinks it can control the minds of Americans. There are many who dislike Obama and know he is not qualified to be President. I have faith in the American people and there are a lot of smart, common sense American's who will not vote for the one. They want a President with a real history not a PR image. The media is trying to make us believe that Obama has the support of the majority. Remember hype and truth are two different things.

[Tom Terrific]

We need to stop talking to Obama (brainwashed) supporters and only talk to the undecided.

I absolutely agree.

[Debi/CA]

To my fellow Republicans - Please do not use this forum to try and undo 8 years of MSM bias against Bush. (The history of media bias against our party is our cross to bear.) Instead, we need to stay focused on undoing 1 year of MSM bias towards Obama.

Take pleasure in moments like these:
Soon after Palin was chosen by McCain, a blogger on this forum claimed that Palin was probably a "moderate" Republican, because she was clearly very reasonable, even though the writer didn't see eye-to-eye with her on every issue. (Sorry, I don't remember the thread.) I laughed with joy, because Palin is definitely not moderate. I immediately realized that if not for the MSM, Democrats wouldn't think we conservatives are crazy and unreasonable.

We need to be appreciative of our gracious, amazingly well-organized hosts. Be happy when they agree with us; accepting when they don't. This is not a conservative website, so it's rude to get pushy.

[emmyCA]

I am mad as hell too!

[bevvyjean]

Sometimes I feel like it is hopeless also. I keep praying that people will begin to understand what is at stake and when they are in the voting booth, their concerns will rise and they will decide to push the button, pull the lever, fill in the circle for McCain/Palin. They will come to their senses at the last second when it REALLY counts. That is my prayer.

[Tybee]

This may not mean a lot, but I play on Pogo some. They have quite a lot playing on there. I bring up the election often in different rooms etc. and have only encountered 2-3 people that actually say they are for Obama (they of course know nothing about him). I really do not believe the polls this year, something is out of whack.

Don't lose hope.

[Hillaryisourhero]

This is VERY true, at least in my experience.

Take my mother, for example. She voted for Hillary in our primary, and I have convinced her that Obama is scum and she must vote for McCain, and I'm glad for that! However, she KEEPS bringing up that Obama sure looks good, Obama sure looks presidential, Obama sure looks like he KNOWS what he's talking about...and when I ask her WHY she thinks that, it's because "they" (the MSM) are showing him that way. I'll ask her, "have you heard about XYZ?" (like the Berg vs Obama lawsuit, or the Indonesian citizenship, or Obama traveling to Pakistan back when US citizens couldn't do that) and her answer is ALWAYS no. When I tell her that the MSM she's watching are skewing the truth, and HIDING facts about Obama that might damage him, she correctly points out that MOST people--average, run of the mill folks--are NOT aware of the stuff I am. She's right. Now what the hell are we going to do about it? :confused: :mad:

OH YES, I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. MY MOM'S FRIEND KEEPS CALLING AND YELLING AT ME AND SAYING IF I LOVE MY PARENTS, I HAVE TO VOTE OBAMA. I TELL HIM MY PARENTS ARE WRITING IN HILLARY CLINTON. HE DOESN'T BELIEVE ME. IF I MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT OBAMA THAT IS BAD, HE SAYS I'VE BEEN WATCHING THAT FOX NEWS AGAIN, WHICH HE SAYS IS THE MOST RADICAL NEWS EVER. HE SAID FOX NEWS HAS ALL REPUBLICANS AND THEY ARE AGAINST OBAMA. HE WANTS ME TO WATCH CNN AND MSNBC. HE SAYS I AM ONLY VOTING FOR McCAIN BECAUSE I AM MAD HILLARY LOST. HE IS WRONG, I HAVE MANY REASONS. FOR ONE, I DON'T LIKE THE CULTURE THAT FOLLOWS OBAMA, I DON'T LIKE HIS RADICAL FRIENDS AND McCAIN AND PALIN HAVE SOME VERY GOOD IDEAS FOR THE COUNTRY. HE DOESN'T BELIEVE ME. HE SAYS McCAIN IS GEORGE BUSH. IT IS SO AGGRIVATING. HE WANTS ME TO COME TO HIS HOUSE AND WATCH THE NEWS HE WATCHES, HE SAYS McCAIN IS RUNNING THE DIRTIEST CAMPAIGN EVER AND OBAMA IS ABOVE ALL THAT! HE DEFENDS OBAMA ON REV WRIGHT, SAYING HE HAS HEARD PREACHERS IN CHURCH SAY THINGS HE DIDN'T LIKE BEFORE AND HE DEFENDS AYERS BECAUSE HE SAYS OBAMA HAS ALREADY DENOUNCED AYERS' ACTS AND THAT THEY WERE 40 YEARS AGO.:mad:

[Destiny]

OH YES, I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. MY MOM'S FRIEND KEEPS CALLING AND YELLING AT ME AND SAYING IF I LOVE MY PARENTS, I HAVE TO VOTE OBAMA. I TELL HIM MY PARENTS ARE WRITING IN HILLARY CLINTON. HE DOESN'T BELIEVE ME. IF I MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT OBAMA THAT IS BAD, HE SAYS I'VE BEEN WATCHING THAT FOX NEWS AGAIN, WHICH HE SAYS IS THE MOST RADICAL NEWS EVER. HE SAID FOX NEWS HAS ALL REPUBLICANS AND THEY ARE AGAINST OBAMA. HE WANTS ME TO WATCH CNN AND MSNBC. HE SAYS I AM ONLY VOTING FOR McCAIN BECAUSE I AM MAD HILLARY LOST. HE IS WRONG, I HAVE MANY REASONS. FOR ONE, I DON'T LIKE THE CULTURE THAT FOLLOWS OBAMA, I DON'T LIKE HIS RADICAL FRIENDS AND McCAIN AND PALIN HAVE SOME VERY GOOD IDEAS FOR THE COUNTRY. HE DOESN'T BELIEVE ME. HE SAYS McCAIN IS GEORGE BUSH. IT IS SO AGGRIVATING. HE WANTS ME TO COME TO HIS HOUSE AND WATCH THE NEWS HE WATCHES, HE SAYS McCAIN IS RUNNING THE DIRTIEST CAMPAIGN EVER AND OBAMA IS ABOVE ALL THAT! HE DEFENDS OBAMA ON REV WRIGHT, SAYING HE HAS HEARD PREACHERS IN CHURCH SAY THINGS HE DIDN'T LIKE BEFORE AND HE DEFENDS AYERS BECAUSE HE SAYS OBAMA HAS ALREADY DENOUNCED AYERS' ACTS AND THAT THEY WERE 40 YEARS AGO.:mad:

FRIGHTENING

P.U.M.A.

[reddirtgirl]

OH YES, I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. MY MOM'S FRIEND KEEPS CALLING AND YELLING AT ME AND SAYING IF I LOVE MY PARENTS, I HAVE TO VOTE OBAMA. I TELL HIM MY PARENTS ARE WRITING IN HILLARY CLINTON. HE DOESN'T BELIEVE ME. IF I MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT OBAMA THAT IS BAD, HE SAYS I'VE BEEN WATCHING THAT FOX NEWS AGAIN, WHICH HE SAYS IS THE MOST RADICAL NEWS EVER. HE SAID FOX NEWS HAS ALL REPUBLICANS AND THEY ARE AGAINST OBAMA. HE WANTS ME TO WATCH CNN AND MSNBC. HE SAYS I AM ONLY VOTING FOR McCAIN BECAUSE I AM MAD HILLARY LOST. HE IS WRONG, I HAVE MANY REASONS. FOR ONE, I DON'T LIKE THE CULTURE THAT FOLLOWS OBAMA, I DON'T LIKE HIS RADICAL FRIENDS AND McCAIN AND PALIN HAVE SOME VERY GOOD IDEAS FOR THE COUNTRY. HE DOESN'T BELIEVE ME. HE SAYS McCAIN IS GEORGE BUSH. IT IS SO AGGRIVATING. HE WANTS ME TO COME TO HIS HOUSE AND WATCH THE NEWS HE WATCHES, HE SAYS McCAIN IS RUNNING THE DIRTIEST CAMPAIGN EVER AND OBAMA IS ABOVE ALL THAT! HE DEFENDS OBAMA ON REV WRIGHT, SAYING HE HAS HEARD PREACHERS IN CHURCH SAY THINGS HE DIDN'T LIKE BEFORE AND HE DEFENDS AYERS BECAUSE HE SAYS OBAMA HAS ALREADY DENOUNCED AYERS' ACTS AND THAT THEY WERE 40 YEARS AGO.:mad:


I personally don't understand why you're letting this man put you in this position. It's not a discussion, a conversation where people listen to the other person's opinion, it's tirade's going back and forth. Tell him to mind his own damn business, you're not discussing politics with him, and that you own your vote. Period. You're not talking to a person who really wants to discuss, he only wants to browbeat you. And you're letting him do it.

[Strongwomenrock]

I'm talking to my wife and I'm mad at the american people ive never been this made at people in my life. Why cant americans see in obama all the associations of these bad men he has been with.Why cant people see he has zero expereince why cant people see how his policies wont work.I think my hormones are all wacked because since the bail out vote i'm mad i'm sad I held my daughter the other night and cried I'm afraid if he is in office we are all screwed. I'm so mad. Something has to be wrong because ive posted this about how americans cant be this way and vote for someone like obama.Are americans that uneducated and fall for this bull shit with obama or am I right and say that its the msm media and the polls are wrong

There is something you can do. Find all the papers in your state and start writing letters to the editor. There are a lot of people who aren't in the know - all they get is the MSM - and have never heard any of the things we know about BO. This is especially true of many of the elderly who don't use the net for their news but get it primarily from newspapers. Let them know what you've learned about BO on this site. Let them know his deep roots of corruption, racism, and anti-Americanism. Let them know the truth. Make one generic letter and send it to every paper.
On this site alone there is a list of all the papers for you state where you can submit your letter online. Let them know the truth about this man.

[Laura Cereta]

Marc, I am mad, too. I could write a book right now, but it's all been said. I am mad. I am disappointed. I am outraged. I am scared. We've all got to hang in there and trust that this will work out. :)

[Strongwomenrock]

OH YES, I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. MY MOM'S FRIEND KEEPS CALLING AND YELLING AT ME AND SAYING IF I LOVE MY PARENTS, I HAVE TO VOTE OBAMA. I TELL HIM MY PARENTS ARE WRITING IN HILLARY CLINTON. HE DOESN'T BELIEVE ME. IF I MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT OBAMA THAT IS BAD, HE SAYS I'VE BEEN WATCHING THAT FOX NEWS AGAIN, WHICH HE SAYS IS THE MOST RADICAL NEWS EVER. HE SAID FOX NEWS HAS ALL REPUBLICANS AND THEY ARE AGAINST OBAMA. HE WANTS ME TO WATCH CNN AND MSNBC. HE SAYS I AM ONLY VOTING FOR McCAIN BECAUSE I AM MAD HILLARY LOST. HE IS WRONG, I HAVE MANY REASONS. FOR ONE, I DON'T LIKE THE CULTURE THAT FOLLOWS OBAMA, I DON'T LIKE HIS RADICAL FRIENDS AND McCAIN AND PALIN HAVE SOME VERY GOOD IDEAS FOR THE COUNTRY. HE DOESN'T BELIEVE ME. HE SAYS McCAIN IS GEORGE BUSH. IT IS SO AGGRIVATING. HE WANTS ME TO COME TO HIS HOUSE AND WATCH THE NEWS HE WATCHES, HE SAYS McCAIN IS RUNNING THE DIRTIEST CAMPAIGN EVER AND OBAMA IS ABOVE ALL THAT! HE DEFENDS OBAMA ON REV WRIGHT, SAYING HE HAS HEARD PREACHERS IN CHURCH SAY THINGS HE DIDN'T LIKE BEFORE AND HE DEFENDS AYERS BECAUSE HE SAYS OBAMA HAS ALREADY DENOUNCED AYERS' ACTS AND THAT THEY WERE 40 YEARS AGO.:mad:

Tell your parents that if they write in Hillary they are voting for BO!