WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO HIDE??? Obama & DNC file motion for protective order

[Centipede]

www.americasright.com

4:45 p.m. -- Obama, DNC File Motion for Leave to File Protective Order

I'll pretty it up and explain things a little bit better later on this evening, but here's what's going on, so far and in brief:

As I was talking with one of my contacts at the courthouse about this motion, my phone rings and it is Philip Berg. He's fired up. Apparently, he had just been contacted by John LaVelle, attorney for Barack Obama and the DNC, and asked whether he would "put off discovery until Judge Surrick ruled on the motion to dismiss."

Until I have time to get into this more specifically, here's the rub. Basically, the law states that Judge Surrick can order discovery even in the face of a pending dispositive motion such as the motion to dismiss filed on September 24 by Obama and the DNC. In other words, he can order full discovery, limited discovery, or none at all before ruling on the dismissal.

Just like with the amended complaint, an attorney cannot simply file a protective order but must file a motion for leave to file, essentially asking the judge if it is okay for the pleading to be filed. Make sense so far? Defense attorney John LaVelle filed such a motion this afternoon, a motion asking to file a protective order which would allow for a ruling to come down on the motion to dismiss before

While I'll be talking to Berg more later on, here's a snippet of what he had to say in our brief conversation:

"He's asking to delay discovery and, Jeff, I'm obviously going to oppose it, " he said. "This isn't right. This just isn't right. By tomorrow, we'll have a response and put out a press release. The American people should hear about this and, if they do, they should go nuts. It's time to put up or shut up."

[Horizon]

The American people should hear about this and, if they do, they should go nuts. It's time to put up or shut up."


Put Up or Shut Up.I like that.

[diane]

Protective Order against what? With friends like Ayers I'd say Obama's pretty well protected enough!

[HumbleDave]

They are definately hiding the truth. It's not like we're asking for Colonel Sanders secret recipe or plans to a nuclear bomb, just a simple authentic birth certificate.

He's a fraud and it's going to get out one way or another.

[Johnf]

Protective Order against what? With friends like Ayers I'd say Obama's pretty well protected enough!

Something is definitely up and going on behind the scenes we dont' know about. Obama's in trouble I'd say.

[hillaryhoosier]

WHY won't the media touch this?

Although I'm starting to think Americans simply won't care. Obama could be from any country right now and the sheep would be perfectly comfortable electing him president.

[Violet]

Come on. Put up or shut up. We need a plan PUMAs. We have to find a way to get media attention. A billboard? A protest? We need cameras now!

[hillaryhoosier]

Unless it's negative about McCain or Palin the media isn't going to touch it.

[Tea toaD]

There's a thorn in the apple blossom.:eek: Something's not right here:eek:

[Violet]

I wonder if he won't release his college records because he applied under Barry Soetoro?

[indigo]

Everyone keep alerting the media about this. PLEASE!

[nette60]

Come on. Put up or shut up. We need a plan PUMAs. We have to find a way to get media attention. A billboard? A protest? We need cameras now!

Can we rent a couple of billboards like the NBRA did during the DNC. I don't think they are very expensive..much. Actually if there is someone in Pa..and VA or Ohio.(.probably the best places to do this) I may be willing to pay..

[HumbleDave]

Although I'm starting to think Americans simply won't care. Obama could be from any country right now and the sheep would be perfectly comfortable electing him president.

The good thing is that it doesn't matter if they don't care or not. His candidacy would be ruled invalid and he would be history.

[nette60]

I wonder if he won't release his college records because he applied under Barry Soetoro?

A lot of it has to do with his getting in on affirmative action. And the question of who paid for it.

[hillaryhoosier]

The good thing is that it doesn't matter if they don't care or not. His candidacy would be ruled invalid and he would be history.

Not if he wins first. Then he would have to be impeached, and good luck getting a Democratically controlled Congress to do that.

The only way this goes anywhere is if it is before he is elected.

[Violet]

Is there a PAC somewhere that might be able to join up with us and put something together? All we would need is a big billboard in a major city (how about Philly since it is close to Mr Berg)?

[B positive]

Everyone keep alerting the media about this. PLEASE!

Done, Done & Done!!! -- He's trying to run out the clock on this!!!

[ggreen]

UPDATE:

http://www.americasright.com/2008/10/berg-v-obama-update-monday-october-6.html

4:45 p.m. -- Obama, DNC File Motion for Protective Order

I'll pretty it up and explain things a little bit better later on this evening, but here's what's going on, so far and in brief:

As I was talking with one of my contacts at the courthouse about this motion, my phone rings and it is Philip Berg. He's fired up. Apparently, he had just been contacted by John LaVelle, attorney for Barack Obama and the DNC, and asked whether he would "put off discovery until Judge Surrick ruled on the motion to dismiss."

Until I have time to get into this more specifically, here's the rub:

Basically, the law states that Judge Surrick can order discovery even in the face of a pending dispositive motion such as the motion to dismiss filed on September 24 by Obama and the DNC. In other words, he can order full discovery, limited discovery, or none at all before ruling on the dismissal. The attorneys for Obama and the DNC, however, just filed a motion asking for a protective order stopping "all discovery in this action pending the Court's decision on defendant's motion to dismiss the action for lack of subject matter jurisdiction and for failure to state a claim upon which relief can be granted."

Just like with the amended complaint, an attorney cannot simply file a protective order but must file a motion for one, essentially asking the court to issue one. Make sense so far? That's what this is -- defense attorney John LaVelle filed such a motion this afternoon, a motion asking the judge to issue a protective order which would allow for a ruling to come down on the motion to dismiss before the commencement of any discovery.

Obviously the first reaction is "what do they have to hide?" or something along those lines. Rule 26(c) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure provides authorization to the court for just such a matter, ostensibly to protect one of the parties from embarrassment or oppression or the like. I'm sure there's some case law on it as well. Still, even knowing the rules, I will admit that my first reaction was one of suspicion.

As for Philip Berg, while he and I will chat later on, here's a snippet of what he had to say in our brief conversation:

"He's asking to delay discovery and, Jeff, I'm obviously going to oppose it, " he said. "This isn't right. This just isn't right. By tomorrow, we'll have a response and put out a press release. The American people should hear about this and, if they do, they should go nuts. It's time to put up or shut up."

[ScottVA]

Hmmm..... this just makes it look more and more that he has something to hide..... it's a very simple request which is also important to the point if he is valid to be President of the USA or not.... I have no clue what the Judge is going to do.....but he's crazy if he doesn't make this case go forth and grant that motion of discovery!

[Kbentleyis]

And people think this will go no where? Hummm. Gang, let's hit the media again because something is going on here. Berg certainly has them on the run.

[ssmith]

I agree... what the H*ll?

I had to show my passport and my ORIGINAL naturalization citizenship papers to get my job!!!

BO IS HIDING THAT HE WAS NOT BORN HERE!!!!!!!!!! AND HELD DUAL CITIZENSHIPS IN INDONESIA!

Berg: THANK GOD! GO TO THE PRESSES!!!!!!

BO and DNC: PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

[ggreen]

Hmmm..... this just makes it look more and more that he has something to hide..... it's a very simple request which is also important to the point if he is valid to be President of the USA or not.... I have no clue what the Judge is going to do.....but he's crazy if he doesn't make this case go forth and grant that motion of discovery!

Latest rumor referred to by a poster on Berg's website:


written by Brad, October 06, 2008

What if the reason the Obama campaign doesn't want to show his birth certificate is not because of citizenship issues but one of heritage?

A local radio talk show is saying that his birth certificate shows his father as being Arab, not African American(black). Which would make Obama half white, half Arab descent as opposed to black.

[SoCal4Hillary]

The American people should hear about this and, if they do, they should go nuts. It's time to put up or shut up.Yes, indeed, the American people SHOULD hear about this, but with 99.99% of the mainstream media in Obama's pocket...what are the odds? :rolleyes:

[ILBlue]

The half Arab isn't going to make a differance at this point in the election IMHO.

Are there any of the Right wing blogs etc. that might be interested in helping aquire billboards?

Any conservatives here have any suggestions???

"What is Obama Trying to Hide?"

[texasdad]

Not if he wins first. Then he would have to be impeached, and good luck getting a Democratically controlled Congress to do that.

The only way this goes anywhere is if it is before he is elected.

Are you sure?

Here is how I see it, he is only the President Elect until he is sworn in, if he is elected but found ineligible I think the Supreme Court would rule on this and he would not be sworn in. Then JB would become the President.

Thoughts?

I'll email a local constitutional who usually answers his emails.

[Charlie Brown]

What about the 527's how do we send it to them...will they do it????

[NileQT87]

I wrote about it to Hannity several times. No juice thus far.

I think Obama and the DNC are trying to quiet this and make it go away by trying to elongate it.

Major media exposure is needed. It has to make it to Fox News.

[RickKS]

Hmmm..... this just makes it look more and more that he has something to hide..... it's a very simple request which is also important to the point if he is valid to be President of the USA or not.... I have no clue what the Judge is going to do.....but he's crazy if he doesn't make this case go forth and grant that motion of discovery!


Even if he is able to produce a Valid BC we may never know if he, as an adult petitioned for an "annulment of adoption" (From his stepfather). In some states the adult is able to choose a new name and as I understand other certain information can be altered as well.

[CT-Hilltopper]

Hmmm..... this just makes it look more and more that he has something to hide..... it's a very simple request which is also important to the point if he is valid to be President of the USA or not.... I have no clue what the Judge is going to do.....but he's crazy if he doesn't make this case go forth and grant that motion of discovery!

I agree.

If Obama didn't have anything to hide, he'd just pony up the paperwork.

I don't see any valid reason why the judge wouldn't grant the motion of discovery. But this has been the damndest year. Things that should be just ain't necessarily so.

[RE:]

Are you sure?

Here is how I see it, he is only the President Elect until he is sworn in, if he is elected but found ineligible I think the Supreme Court would rule on this and he would not be sworn in. Then JB would become the President.

Thoughts?


I thought the same as you...I've pictured Obama/Biden standing in from of a supreme court justice, to get officially sworn in, and just as BHO is about to put his hand on the Bible....the judge turns and says, 'not you Sen. Obama...you President Biden'!:eek:

Now...if this happens before November 4th, I believe per the DNC rules, the head chair of the DNC can put whomever they wish in to take BHO's place as nominee.;)

[Agent 00½ FL]

More and more questions, but no answers. This is who the DNC wants in the White House? If this goes the distance and it turns out that we were right all along, every last one of his supporters should be thrown out of office.

[Ijane]

written by Brad, October 06, 2008

What if the reason the Obama campaign doesn't want to show his birth certificate is not because of citizenship issues but one of heritage?

A local radio talk show is saying that his birth certificate shows his father as being Arab, not African American(black). Which would make Obama half white, half Arab descent as opposed to black.
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I don't think that's it. Americans won't care if father is listed as Arab, Barack's still "black". They'll brush it off as a technicality. I don't think the issue is his birth cert stating he's Muslim either. Americans won't fault him for something he had no choice in. He'll just say that despite his birth cert, he wasn't raised Muslim and that will be the end of it.

Why doesn't he just show his birth certificate? The only reason that makes sense to me is that he doesn't have one. If he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro his original birth cert would have been locked away in a vault and a new one issued. A birth cert showing Soetoro as Barack's father would open the whole Indonesian citizenship can of worms AND it changes the narrative of his life story that he sold to the American people. Now THAT wouldn't fly with the American people!

[pongonis]

I think the RNC, the Clinton's and a few others know all this. They already have proof and Bo will be taken down before Nov.4.

[Carolyn]

I have posted questions about this to the NY Times blogs repeatedly and all my comments have been suppressed. I'm baffled. When questions were raised in the blogosphere about McCain's eligibility for the POTUS since he was born on a US Navy base in the Panama Canal zone, the mainstream media debated it at length and the matter was not put to rest until a law was passed by the Senate declaring him a natural born citizen (as required by the Constitution). I have no idea if Berg's allegations have merit (that Obama renounced his citizenship when he was adopted by his stepfather Soetero), however I cannot fathom why the media refuses to look into it or even to acknowledge that Berg has filed this motion, not to mention that Obama and the DNC are seeking to have the motion dismissed. Why was this news when McCain was involved but not in Obama's case? Ordinarily, when I post a comment to the NY Times, it sits there for a half hour to an hour "awaiting moderation." This last time, it simply disappeared within seconds of my posting it. I call that suppression of free speech and it just adds to my general disgust with the media which has abrogated its responsibilities.

WHY IS THIS NOT NEWSWORTHY???!!!!:mad::mad::mad:

[Johnf]

www.americasright.com

Something very big is up. Could it be Rezko, Ayers, Obama's citiizenship, a combination of all three and or something else? Obama's afraid.

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?p=426208&posted=1#post426208

[Centipede]

If Obama is deemed ineligible the media will have to report it. His name would be removed from the ballet and voters would wonder why. If it's after the January inauguration, there would be move to impeach him and I believe the majority of the Democratic senate (with the exception of Pelosi and Reid) would vote to do it - if they want to be re-elected.

[lynfreedom]

ggreen. My research early on shows that is true. Obama is only 6% black...not sre if that would be the reason.


also this needs to be merged with other thread that has the post explaining what Phil's answer. We really need to try to find threads to post things under as there are so many duplications. I have had the same problem. I could be typing something that is not there and get it posted a minute after others.

[Johnf]

If Obama is deemed ineligible the media will have to report it. His name would be removed from the ballet and voters would wonder why. If it's after the January inauguration, there would be move to impeach him and I believe the majority of the Democratic senate (with the exception of Pelosi and Reid) would vote to do it - if they want to be re-elected.

Are we witnessing the collapse of the Democratic party? Look what Pelosi, Dean and the media did. They will have to answer to a lot of people for lying on behalf of Obama, protecting him, preventing or standing in the way of investigations.

[meitgil]

Fox may be waiting for later, for more impact. But we can't wait for that. Here's why:

If Obama is disqualified now, there is only one logical democratic candidate--the candidate who came in second in the primary. To allow Biden to be the presidential candidate, when he was chosen by an illegitimate presidential candidate, would be flouting the will of the 18 million who voted for Hillary. He would, in effect, be unelected, going into the general election.

He could continue to be the VP pick, however; it would be up to Hillary.

We need to hit the media hard on this issue, before the judge gets any bright ideas of dismissing the case, or delaying discovery.

As I've said before: The best way to make an impression on the media is to target their sponsors. They are desperately afraid of such a move.

CNN is a good candidate, CBS or ABC. Just make a note of a prime time sponsor, post it on this site and all should write to the target.

[ggreen]

http://www.obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/content/article/1-main/29-berg-outraged-obama-a-dnc-file-motion-to-prevent-concurrent-discovery


Berg Outraged: Obama & DNC file motion to prevent concurrent discovery

Berg is “Outraged” that Obama & DNC Hide Again Behind Legal Issues as their attorney files a Motion for Protective Order to “not” Answer Admissions & Production of Documents while Betraying Public in not Producing Documents proving Obama is “qualified” to be a candidate for President It is believed Obama is an “illegal alien”

For Immediate Release: - 10/06/08


Country is Headed to a Constitutional Crisis

(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 10/06/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States, announced today that Obama and Democratic National Committee [DNC] filed a Joint Motion for Protective Order to Stay Discovery Pending a Decision on the Motion to Dismiss (which was) filed on 09/24/08.

While legal, Berg stated he is “outraged as this is another attempt to hide the truth from the public; it is obvious that documents do not exist to prove that Obama is qualified to be President.” The case is Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.

Their joint motion indicates a concerted effort to avoid the truth by attempting to delay the judicial process, although legal, by not resolving the issue presented: that is, whether Barack Obama meets the qualifications to be President.

It is obvious that Obama was born in Kenya and does not meet the “qualifications” to be President of the United States pursuant to our United States Constitution. Obama cannot produce a certified copy of his “Vault” [original long version] Birth Certificate from Hawaii because it does not exist.

PDF of Obama Filing:

http://www.obamacrimes.com/attachments/029_Obama,%20Defense%20request%20for%20Protective% 20Order%20re%20Discovery.pdf
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[Mrsawd]

One hell of a bunch of illegal activities !

That They are Hiding !

[Adayamo]

Sorry, I bet it is to early in the morning for me (0413 European time) ...
what does this motion say?

Did the judge repelled Berg's motion?

[Bets1]

Sorry, I bet it is to early in the morning for me (0413 European time) ...
what does this motion say?

Did the judge repelled Berg's motion?

No!

Obama and the DNC filed a Joint Motion for Protective Order to Stay Discovery Pending a Decision on the Motion to Dismiss. I.e., they want the Judge to rule on the "Motion to Dismiss" before they must produce any documents.

[NBM]

As McCain said today, "I wasn't someone who just showed up and decided to run for president."

Speculation only: I wonder if Khalid Al-Mansoor (sp?) would know Obama's story here? Someone from his past knows the answer. It's almost like an orphan without a country, and he's been adopted by various factions including Black Liberation Theology, Hamas, Weather Underground, ACORN, etc., etc. as one of their own. BO seems to belong only to those who can use him, so he can use them. It's all too convenient.

[CountryFirst]

Can someone remind me if we have definite proof Obama was born in Kenya?

And why would that disqualify him since his mother was obviously American?

Wasn't McCain born in Panama?

[Jenna Louis]

This evening, Phillip Berg of Berg Vs. Obama fame put out a press release entitled "Country Headed to a Constitutional Crisis." Here it is:

(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 10/06/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States, announced today that Obama and Democratic National Committee [DNC] filed a Joint Motion for Protective Order to Stay Discovery Pending a Decision on the Motion to Dismiss they filed on 09/24/08.

While legal, Berg stated he is “outraged as this is another attempt to hide the truth from the public; it is obvious that documents do not exist to prove that Obama is qualified to be President.” The case is Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.

Their joint motion indicates a concerted effort to avoid the truth by attempting to delay the judicial process, although legal, by not resolving the issue presented: that is, whether Barack Obama meets the qualifications to be President.

It is obvious that Obama was born in Kenya and does not meet the “qualifications” to be President of the United States pursuant to our United States Constitution. Obama cannot produce a certified copy of his “Vault” [original long version] Birth Certificate from Hawaii because it does not exist.

Furthermore, and actually more important is Obama’s Certificate of Citizenship that he received when he returned from Indonesia, as if it exists it would indicate that Obama was “naturalized” and also not able to be President.

The DNC has promised “we the people” an Open and Honest Government and has promised to uphold our United States Constitution. The DNC has failed their promise. DNC Chairperson Howard Dean should resign as he has not and is not fulfilling his responsibility of seeing that a “qualified” candidate is on the ballot as the Democratic candidate for President of the United States.

Visit www.obamacrimes.com for more details

[SadStateOfAffairs]

merged.;)

[NBM]

McCain was born in Panama at a US military facility, so automatic American citizenship.

[RachachaSharon]

Can someone remind me if we have definite proof Obama was born in Kenya?

And why would that disqualify him since his mother was obviously American?

Wasn't McCain born in Panama?

There does not seem to be proof that Obama was born anywhere. It should be a simple matter to produce a birth certificate. Furthermore, losing a birth certificate can happen and it is not a difficult thing to obtain a certified copy of a birth certificate from the State of Hawaii - assuming one exists. I'm sure BO and the DNC are hoping to stall until after the election and then hope the issue dies because he's sure he'll win and then holds all the cards - Senate, House and White House all Dem.

[hiuszecool]

This is a very serious issue, send information to Sarah, let her take care that!

[Ijane]

Can someone remind me if we have definite proof Obama was born in Kenya?

And why would that disqualify him since his mother was obviously American?

Wasn't McCain born in Panama?


Barack Obama is hologram with a teleprompter.

Obama wasn't born in Kenya but on the other hand, he hasn't shown a birth certificate that states otherwise (but he wasn't born in Kenya!). He did have both American and Kenyan citizenship until the early 1980's which Obama confirms on his fight the smears website. An Indonesian school record was found listing his father as Lolo Soetoro and his citizenship as Indonesian.

Record:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=72667

The record surfaced months ago thanks to an AP journalist or photographer. Many reputable (I use that word loosely) news outlets have already confirmed that the document is legitimate. Berg's lawsuit is asking Obama and the DNC to show us his original birth certificate and prove that his citizenships from other countries doesn't interfere with our constitutional laws regarding the qualifications for president.

So far it seems that Obama and the DNC don't want to cooperate. However, because there is an Indonesian document listing Obama as an Indonesian citizen that should mean that Obama and the DNC's word isn't enough and needs to prove that Obama is eligible to be president.

As far as McCain, he was born in the Panama Canal Zone which at the time was a colony of the United States making him a "natural born " citizen.

[mjoynaples]

how has this guy gotten away with this cr-p all along...??? NOBAMA... put up or sthu go away BHO NOW LEAVE THE ROOM forever!

[Ijane]

It is obvious that Obama was born in Kenya and does not meet the “qualifications” to be President of the United States pursuant to our United States Constitution. Obama cannot produce a certified copy of his “Vault” [original long version] Birth Certificate from Hawaii because it does not exist.


The part about it being obvious that Obama was born in Kenya shouldn't have been put in the press release. It makes it sound to out in left field (lol). It sounds as if it shouldn't be taken seriously.

[ScottVA]

in McCains case he was born in a military installation to two American parents both in the military at the time!

Obama's mother was barely of legal age at the time and his father was foreign national......if he was born outside the US it wouldn't matter that his mother was a US Citizen at the time. If Obama was born here and taken to Indonesia as a child/adopted/whatever and he came back and never restored his US rights he's not eligible to be President....and there could be some legality as to his actual status as a citizen period.... plus having lied on his Bar papers, etc he could be in some other serious legal problems!

[Charlie Brown]

Are we witnessing the collapse of the Democratic party? Look what Pelosi, Dean and the media did. They will have to answer to a lot of people for lying on behalf of Obama, protecting him, preventing or standing in the way of investigations.

Wouldnt that be the best Day ever....

[Bad Kitty]

I hope at least Hannity reports on it, since he is the only journalist left with the cajones to do so.

[Jen the Michigander]

OK, I admit that this is a crazy idea but there's one person I can think of who could speak out about this and the media would put him on TV. That person is Jon Voight.

[Destiny]

in McCains case he was born in a military installation to two American parents both in the military at the time!

Obama's mother was barely of legal age at the time and his father was foreign national......if he was born outside the US it wouldn't matter that his mother was a US Citizen at the time. If Obama was born here and taken to Indonesia as a child/adopted/whatever and he came back and never restored his US rights he's not eligible to be President....and there could be some legality as to his actual status as a citizen period.... plus having lied on his Bar papers, etc he could be in some other serious legal problems!

OBAMA IS ABOVE THE LAW, ANYONE ELSE WOULD HAVE BEEN THROWN IN JAIL BY NOW!!!!!!!

OBAMA = CORRUPTION AND LIES

NO OBAMA - NEVER

P.U.M.A.

[Annie]

Put Up or Shut Up.I like that.


Yes I like that too.... tomorrow.... tomorrow.... the sun will come out tomorrowwwwww....:D