(Oct 8, 08) Action Alert for Voters in California - Vote NO on Proposition 8! [Archive]

ZY123

10-07-2008, 10:00 PM

Everyone in California please take a look at this proposition - when you read what it is really about you will see that a No vote is the way to go. There are many misleading ads about this proposition that are spreading fear tactics that are not true. This is not just important for California but is important for all the states since California tends to lead the way on these types of issues.

To debunk a big lie the proponents of this prop are spouting: churches will NOT lose their tax exempt status if this prop is defeated (and it should be defeated).

(Mods and Admin can we sticky?)

Proposition 8, also known as the Eliminates Right of Same-Sex Couples to Marry Act, will appear on the November 2008 ballot in California. It was previously titled the Protect Marriage Act. It has also been known as the Same-Sex Marriage Ban or the Limit on Marriage Amendment. If it passes, it will add a new constitutional amendment to the California Constitution that will have the following text: "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California." The ballot title for the measure says that Prop. 8 "eliminates the right of same-sex couples to marry".

The electoral contest over Prop. 8 has attracted both national attention and dollars. By September 24, supporters of Prop. 8 had raised about $18 million, while its opponents had raised $12.4 million. Money is not expected to be short on either side as the campaigns launch their final weeks of effort, with consultants saying they expect about $30 million to be spent altogether. The initiative has attracted national dollars from both sides, with opponents raising 44% of their money from out-of-state donors, with supporters raising 34% of theirs from out-of-state.

Linda C

10-07-2008, 10:04 PM

ZY123

10-07-2008, 10:08 PM

Churches do not have to marry anyone if they don't want to . One cannot just barge into any church and demand to be married. I don't care who you are. Marriage is a legal document not a religious one.

Exactly but the advertising from the extremists supporting this prop is stating this as their reason to vote yes - it's a lie but the problem is the mainstream public might not know it.

Everyone needs to get the word out and get the vote out for No on this prop.

SoCal4Hillary

10-07-2008, 10:19 PM

I just woke up from a nap and saw mail with this subject, CRITICAL: Two polls show we’re losing, in my inbox; here's its message:
Our worst nightmares are coming true.

Today we learned of the massive $25.4 million our opponents have raised so far. They are using this war chest to broadcast lies: 24/7 and up and down the state of California.

And the polls show the lies are working. We need your donation now.

Yesterday' CBS 51 poll shows that:

likely California voters overall now favor passage of Proposition 8 by a five-point margin, 47 percent to 42 percent. Ironically, a CBS 5 poll eleven days prior found a five-point margin in favor of the measure's opponents.

People change their minds about Proposition 8 when they hear the lie that churches will lose their tax-free status if they won't marry same-sex couples EVEN THOUGH THIS IS NOT TRUE!

So this is crunch time. With less than a month before the election, we must get on the air now to answer these lies and swing votes back to our side.

And the ONLY way to do that it to raise more money. The generous $15.8 million that our supporters have given isn't enough. Not when the other side has nearly $10 million more than we do and the fundraising gap is growing.

So, how much will you sacrifice to protect your equality or the equality of people you love? It's that simple. Will you give up something, anything, to ensure equality?

I am. I'm donating 15% of my income to make sure that the No on Prop 8 campaign can answer these lies. It's going to make my life more difficult to make a donation of this size but I know I have to make this sacrifice to achieve victory on November 4.

What are you willing to give up today so we can protect our community from this pack of televised lies: A night out? A vacation you had planned? A home improvement project?

I ask you to do what you can. Donate to defeat Prop 8. Work the phone banks. And urge everyone you know to vote NO on Prop 8.

Because if we are not willing to sacrifice, we will not win.

In solidarity,

Geoff Kors
Executive Director
Equality California

I'd like to ask that anyone--whether you're in California or not--who is interested in equality for all, please make a donation if you possibly can. DONATE HERE! (https://www.eqca.org/donate)

ZY123

10-08-2008, 03:52 AM

bumping - there are a lot of important propositions on the ballot - I hope people read them, learn them and vote. This one is especially important to vote No on and it's not just important for CA - CA leads the other states on this issue - what happens will affect the direction of all the states regarding this.

Coach

10-08-2008, 05:33 AM

ZY123

10-08-2008, 12:06 PM

I beg to differ with you on this one. Yes, today they can not, but it will be just a matter of time before the ACLU starts to sue churches to force them to marry people on the grounds of discrimination.

Not true. This is not the point and this is a fear tactic the opposition is using to try to get this prop to pass. This is about giving everyone the right to marry the person of their choosing. It has nothing to do with church or religion - it's about equality. The slippery slope arguments are fear tactics. Churches can marry whoever they want - the point is that if a church believes in marrying same sex couples they should be able to.

This is very depressing news. According to the poll, the group that has flipped from anti- to pro- Proposition 8 are younger voters.

Wow....sad....that I didn't know. Too many people fall for political propaganda these days....things are at a sad state in this country.

ZY123

10-08-2008, 12:25 PM

Please - supporters of the Proposition only - I'm not arguing it. I'm supporting it and I'm looking to get the word out to others who are that they need to get out the vote. California is a liberal state and the minority here are trying to use fear tactics, propaganda, the slippery slope argument and downright lies to overwhelm the majority. WE need to get the truth out.

Not that it should matter but I was against the Boy Scouts quest (many reasons I won't go into because it has nothing to do with this proposition) and I'm straight. I believe in many Democratic/liberal policies (just not in Obama!!) very strongly and this is one them...that's why I joined this forum to start with. I support all the gay members on this board and in our wonderful country and I believe this Prop would be a resounding setback should it pass....it would also be a sad sad day for the State of Califorinia.

The ads I've seen from the supporters of this prop are not only misleading but in some cases defame and degrade a prominent San Francisco politician in really nasty ways. It's a sad time for CA and a sad time for the country.

ZY123

10-08-2008, 12:37 PM

I repeat - this thread is for supporters of Proposition 8 to let them know they need to get the vote out. Positive comments and comments from supporters (which the board should be full of) would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Also any suggestions on how to get the vote out would be nice....one way is to donate as SoCal suggested.

DONATE HERE! (https://www.eqca.org/donate)

Every day, LGBT people are denied many of the freedoms enjoyed by other Americans. Just 10 years ago, California law offered few protections for LGBT people.

Today, because of the work of Equality California, LGBT Californians enjoy some of the most comprehensive civil rights in the nation. This success was only made possible by the incredible support of fair-minded Californians and their generous donations.

EQCA is committed to secure full equality for the LGBT community. Your support is critical to our success. Please fund our efforts to end discrimination in California.

Mrsawd

10-08-2008, 12:40 PM

foxyladi

10-08-2008, 12:42 PM

SoCal4Hillary

10-08-2008, 01:18 PM

I repeat - this thread is for supporters of Proposition 8 to let them know they need to get the vote out. Positive comments and comments from supporters (which the board should be full of) would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Also any suggestions on how to get the vote out would be nice....one way is to donate as SoCal suggested.

DONATE HERE! (https://www.eqca.org/donate)Yes, could we please keep this thread for supportive posts only? The whole point of this thread was to rally support for prop 8--which we desperately need, FAST, if we're going to prevail--not for arguing obtuse possibilities about the ACLU suing churches, or whatever. If you're really interested in arguing about prop 8, kindly start a new thread.

SoCal4Hillary

10-08-2008, 01:29 PM

Here's a list of contributors--both for and against: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-metro-prop-8%2C0%2C2463893.htmlstory?appSession=3753789193410 69

ZY123

10-08-2008, 01:41 PM

I have to say more craziness ! To cause fighting and separations !

Black and whites
Rich and poor
Men and women
now
Gays and straights

Wow they are working the separations from every angle posible aren't they

I'm not sure what you mean. Voting against this prop has nothing to do with gay vs. straight...not in the slightest. There are many many straight Californians against this prop....in fact I'd say the majority of us are, the problem is the minority has more money to put into spouting propaganda and lies to try to change the minds of people not fully informed.

Voting against this prop is a vote for equality and to bring people together not to separate them.

ZY123

10-08-2008, 01:43 PM

Here's a list of contributors--both for and against: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-metro-prop-8%2C0%2C2463893.htmlstory?appSession=3753789193410 69

Good information...ty.

SoCal4Hillary

10-08-2008, 01:45 PM

After perusing the list of contributors I posted above, it seems that there are MANY MORE opponents to prop 8 (which is good) making contributions than those who support it, but they're making smaller contributions. That's proof that the MINORITY has been mobilized to attack this issue and they're doing it, with their checkbooks.

ZY123

10-08-2008, 01:57 PM

Yes, could we please keep this thread for supportive posts only? The whole point of this thread was to rally support for prop 8--which we desperately need, FAST, if we're going to prevail--not for arguing obtuse possibilities about the ACLU suing churches, or whatever. If you're really interested in arguing about prop 8, kindly start a new thread.

And any of these obtuse arguments can easily be reversed. What about the churches that want to support gay marriage (I can name quite a few) - this prop discriminates against their right to practice their religious beliefs. The point is equality - anyone wanting to marry is not going to go to a church against gay marriage - instead they will marry at a church that supports it.

Besides - trying to spin the prop into being about something it is not is simply a straw man debate tactic - a logical fallacy.

After perusing the list of contributors I posted above, it seems that there are MANY MORE opponents to prop 8 (which is good) making contributions than those who support it, but they're making smaller contributions. That's proof that the MINORITY has been mobilized to attack this issue and they're doing it, with their checkbooks.

I agree with this...and what's said is this practice has started to dominate politics...money buys the minority what they want.

ZY123

10-08-2008, 02:04 PM

SoCal4Hillary

10-08-2008, 02:25 PM

SoCal...or anybody in CA....does anyone know how to get a "No on Prop 8" yard sign....I think some publicity could at least get people to get more information on the cause before making a judgement based on those ads.

Also....where can we blog this that would get good attention?The best place for a lot of this is the Equality California (http://www.eqca.org) web site, although after a quick glance I did not see any yard signs, stickers, etc.

I had thought about making some for my web site, but there's so little time between now and the election I didn't think it would be worth the effort, as people ordering wouldn't receive them [unless they chose really fast delivery] with much time before the election. I don't know, should I do it anyway? :confused: Maybe I'll just slap up some buttons, stickers, and yard signs and encourage buyers to choose a quick delivery option.

ZY123

10-08-2008, 02:28 PM

The best place for a lot of this is the Equality California (http://www.eqca.org) web site, although after a quick glance I did not see any yard signs, stickers, etc.

I had thought about making some for my web site, but there's so little time between now and the election I didn't think it would be worth the effort, as people ordering wouldn't receive them [unless they chose really fast delivery] with much time before the election. I don't know, should I do it anyway? :confused: Maybe I'll just slap up some buttons, stickers, and yard signs and encourage buyers to choose a quick delivery option.

Make up a graphic and I'll use it as my avatar! That's a small thing but it's something. I know people have the yard signs....after work today (I'm going now) I'll start looking around.

I think we just all thought we didn't have to fight this prop as much because in CA with the majority thinking as it does it should have gone down easily with a resounding NO. We underestimated the minority group. :(

I say why not...put a couple graphics up and see what happens.

santafek

10-08-2008, 02:34 PM

Dammit, I can't even go through the details here. I just was at the best wedding of my life (mine was not)--a same sex marriage in CA. Justice and love served. So I go crazy when I read this pro-Prop. 8 stuff.

joeysky18

10-08-2008, 03:18 PM

Bump. Please defend the equal right to all.

ZY123

10-08-2008, 07:42 PM

bumping....hoping for a cool "No on Prop 8" avatar! ;)

ZY123

10-08-2008, 07:49 PM

SoCal - Maybe you should put some yard signs for express order on your site....I found the place to buy them but they are back ordered until Oct 20th!!!!

http://www.noonprop8store.com/eshop/10Browse.asp

ZY123

10-08-2008, 07:53 PM

Here are the facts summed up...this is a great site for information:
http://noonprop8.com/campaign_updates?id=0001

Proponents of Prop 8 make many misleading assertions in their new television ad. Here’s what’s fiction and what’s fact:

Fiction vs. the Facts
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Fiction: People can be sued over personal beliefs.

Fact: California’s laws already prohibit discrimination against anyone based on race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation. This has nothing to do with marriage.

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Fiction: Churches could lose their tax-exemption status.

Fact: Nothing in Prop 8 would force churches to do anything. In fact, the court decision regarding marriage specifically says “no religion will be required to change its religious policies or practices with regard to same-sex couples, and no religious officiant will be required to solemnize a marriage in contravention of his or her religious beliefs.”

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Fiction: Same-sex marriage would be taught in public schools.

Fact: Not one word in Prop 8 mentions education, and no child can be forced, against the will of their parents, to be taught anything about health and family issues at school. California law prohibits it. A Sacramento Superior Court judge has already ruled that this claim by the proponents of Prop 8 is “false and misleading.” In fact, the “case” that is cited in the ad is from Massachusetts…the proponents knew what California law said, so they used another state, again to mislead voters.

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Fiction: Four Activist Judges in San Francisco…

Fact: Prop 8 is not about courts and judges, it's about eliminating a fundamental right. Judges didn't grant the right, the constitution guarantees the right. Proponents of Prop 8 use an outdated and stale argument that judges aren't supposed to protect rights and freedoms. This campaign is about whether Californians, right now, in 2008 are willing to amend the constitution for the sole purpose of eliminating a fundamental right for one group of citizens.

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Regardless of how you feel about the issue, we should not eliminate fundamental rights for ANY Californians. Please vote NO on Prop 8.

ZY123

10-08-2008, 08:17 PM

Get Your Avatars HERE! See attachment below

Also post no on prop 8 videos and other information in this thread.
YouTube - Dave and Lonnie Talk About Gay Marriage

Lodi

10-08-2008, 08:37 PM

This is very depressing news. According to the poll, the group that has flipped from anti- to pro- Proposition 8 are younger voters.

One of the vocal advocates of Prop. 8 (banning same-sex marriage) is Douglas Kmiec, a conservative, anti-choice law professor with his eye on being appointed to the Supreme Court. And -- Professor Kmiec is one of Barack Obama's top surrogates in the "Faith, Family, and Values Tour" Obama has put together to make inroads in the religious community.

Let's see if Obama steps up to the plate on this one and asks his supposed vast number of young supporters to vote no on Proposition 8. I'm not holding my breath. Odds are he will throw the gay community under the bus again.

As I've already said to Talyn, it will be Obama's fault if the proposition passes. Why? Because tons of conservative black evangelicals registered to vote for the first time...for Obama. And while they're in the booth, how convenient a time to kill the gay marriage bill.

I warned my gay Obot Hollywood producer cousin (whom I love :D) and my back East gay Obot friend of 28 years that this would happen. I even pointed it out to Perez Hilton.

It does not pay to be ill informed about politics. Prayers for the defeat of Prop 8. Justice and equal rights for our gay brothers and sisters.

And to you conservatives: I hope with all my heart when you die and get to heaven, God tells you that he created gay men and women--angels all--to see how YOU would treat them. WWJD? He would love and afford complete civil rights to HIS creations.

Get a frigging clue! Vote NO. Tomorrow, you could wake up and find that your son, daughter, mother, father, or--oh my--husband or wife is gay.;)

ZY123

10-08-2008, 11:21 PM

Another video a board member found. Thanks! :)

YouTube - Love Poem

Pepper

10-08-2008, 11:37 PM

Bump. This is important!

ZY123

10-08-2008, 11:55 PM

Bump. This is important!

You should temporarily change your avatar to a "No on Prop 8" one like mine. ;-)~ You don't have to be from CA to support defeating the prop.

Thanks for the bump.

SoCal4Hillary

10-09-2008, 12:46 AM

You don't have to be from CA to support defeating the prop.Exactly. If you look through the list of contributors--both for and against--you'll see that there are a lot of people from outside California who, for whatever reason, are throwing their financial support behind this issue. Any of you who can contribute toward defeating prop 8, please do, but even if you can't help financially you can still help by showing solidarity--avatars, blog posts, voting in polls, etc.

I would hope that here on THIS forum in particular, we'd have tons of people against prop 8...so speak up if you're one of them.

chris.y

10-09-2008, 01:10 AM

ZY123

10-09-2008, 12:10 PM

As a life-long conservative (leaning towards the Libertarian side) I'm completely against this.

The point at which the government dictates what decisions you can and can not make regarding your lifestyle choice is going too far (not saying this is a 'choice', just pointing out that it's as arbitrary as mandating that you must paint your bathroom walls green).

There's no harm here, and from my perspective, a lot to gain.

Woo hoo! We got a Republican (I think I read it right...by against you mean against Prop 8 yes?)!

Thanks Chris! I'm an Independent that leans left (obviously lol) but have always been able to see the Libertarian viewpoint.

ZY123

10-09-2008, 12:17 PM

Conservative here.

Im voting yes on 8.

By forcing this upon us our judicial branch opened the door for lawsuits against anyone for anything.

By that, polygamy could be legalized, taught, etc., churches could lose their tax exempt status, etc.

1. This is a thread for supporters of prop 8 (not to argue it)....we're trying to get out the vote and raise awareness.

2. Your arguments are not true...see below. Prop 8 is about equality.

Proponents of Prop 8 make many misleading assertions in their new television ad. Here’s what’s fiction and what’s fact:

Fiction vs. the Facts
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FICTION: People can be sued over personal beliefs.

Fact: California’s laws already prohibit discrimination against anyone based on race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation. This has nothing to do with marriage.

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FICTION: Churches could lose their tax-exemption status.

Fact: Nothing in Prop 8 would force churches to do anything. In fact, the court decision regarding marriage specifically says “no religion will be required to change its religious policies or practices with regard to same-sex couples, and no religious officiant will be required to solemnize a marriage in contravention of his or her religious beliefs.”

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FICTION: Same-sex marriage would be taught in public schools.

Fact: Not one word in Prop 8 mentions education, and no child can be forced, against the will of their parents, to be taught anything about health and family issues at school. California law prohibits it. A Sacramento Superior Court judge has already ruled that this claim by the proponents of Prop 8 is “false and misleading.” In fact, the “case” that is cited in the ad is from Massachusetts…the proponents knew what California law said, so they used another state, again to mislead voters.

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Fiction: Four Activist Judges in San Francisco…

Fact: Prop 8 is not about courts and judges, it's about eliminating a fundamental right. Judges didn't grant the right, the constitution guarantees the right. Proponents of Prop 8 use an outdated and stale argument that judges aren't supposed to protect rights and freedoms. This campaign is about whether Californians, right now, in 2008 are willing to amend the constitution for the sole purpose of eliminating a fundamental right for one group of citizens.

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Regardless of how you feel about the issue, we should not eliminate fundamental rights for ANY Californians. Please vote NO on Prop 8.

NSTYLE77

10-09-2008, 12:18 PM

I, along with my entire family and friends will be voting NO!!!

ZY123

10-09-2008, 12:23 PM

I, along with my entire family and friends will be voting NO!!!

Yes!!!! (or I mean NO...hehe...lol).

In all seriousness it's good to see a lot of board members voting no! :D

SoCal4Hillary

10-09-2008, 12:33 PM

Conservative here.

Im voting yes on 8.

By forcing this upon us our judicial branch opened the door for lawsuits against anyone for anything.

By that, polygamy could be legalized, taught, etc., churches could lose their tax exempt status, etc.This type of "slippery slope" argument is so ridiculous. :rolleyes: We're talking about marriage between TWO people here, not polygamy. And, no, churches will not be at risk of losing their tax exempt status, or being forced to marry gays, or any of the other crap being INCORRECTLY spewed by anti-equality groups. :mad: Please see the fact sheets talyn has posted in this thread. Once you're up on the facts, I hope you'll reconsider your vote on this.

Hey, talyn, did you see this article in today's LA Times?: California leads the nation in gay rights (http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-gayrights9-2008oct09,0,5349873.story). :D

lancer1997

10-09-2008, 12:40 PM

Let me also add, Im all for gay rights. I have a close friend who is gay.

SoCal4Hillary

10-09-2008, 12:47 PM

Let me also add, Im all for gay rights. I have a close friend who is gay.That's wonderful--but don't you want your close gay friend to be able to marry the love of his/her life--like you and I can? If so, vote no!

ZY123

10-09-2008, 01:27 PM

No means yes! (in this case anyway) Voting no is a vote for yes on equality and yes on gay rights! Read the facts - this is a vote for equality plain and simple....:-)~

Laura Cereta

10-09-2008, 02:47 PM

bumping....hoping for a cool "No on Prop 8" avatar! ;)

Looks like you found it. :) Come on CA-- equality is such an important issue!

Laura Cereta

10-09-2008, 02:55 PM

bump

Laura Cereta

10-09-2008, 03:16 PM

Bump again... I hear some people are running some deceptive, intolerant commercials about this. Sad. :(

ZY123

10-09-2008, 03:29 PM

Know what we are up against - here is the disgusting ad with each of the lies in the ad debunked.....don't believe the lies! Know the FACTS.

YouTube - Yes on Prop 8 Ad - Protect Marriage California - Five Little Lies

One of the biggest lies in it getting the most attention:

FICTION: Churches could lose their tax-exemption status.

Fact: Nothing in Prop 8 would force churches to do anything. In fact, the court decision regarding marriage specifically says “no religion will be required to change its religious policies or practices with regard to same-sex couples, and no religious officiant will be required to solemnize a marriage in contravention of his or her religious beliefs.”

hipelayne

10-09-2008, 03:38 PM

Love is what we all need - whether it is a man and a woman, a man and a man or a woman and a woman! Love is love! Good luck Californians!

encarn

10-09-2008, 03:43 PM

ZY123

10-09-2008, 03:55 PM

There is Proposition 102 on the ballot in Arizona this Nov. 4th that seeks to ban marriage as ever being defined as "anything but between a man and a woman."

Here is the link against Prop 102:

http://www.aztogether.org/

Funny how this same proposal was shot down in 2006 by a pretty large margin, yet here it is again. And AZ is a pretty conservative state as well.

No on Prop 102! I wonder how many states have these kind of props on the ballot?

The sad thing is if we succeed with a no on Prop 8 this time I have no doubt they'll resubmit it - we'll have to keep fighting it.

ZY123

10-09-2008, 06:18 PM

This prop is talking about an amendment to the CA constitution to control people’s personal lives. An amendment to the CA constitution to discriminate against a group of people and against churches who wish to marry a group of people. An amendment against equality that sets this country back 50 years. This is a big deal. Whether or not you support gay marriage is only part of the issue – do you believe in freedom of choice regarding marriage? Why not let the churches decide who to marry – CA law specifically gives churches the right to decide and control who they marry…..this amendment takes away that right and discriminates against a group of people.

Once CA passes such a discriminatory amendment the states could follow like dominos. Who are they going to discriminate against next? Maybe atheists? Maybe agnostics? Maybe people who are overweight or smokers? If this amendment passes this could be the beginning of constitutional amendments that control us, our beliefs and our personal lives. Vote no! It’s not about how you feel about gay marriage – it’s about giving people the right to make their own decisions in their personal lives.

Voting No on Prop 8 is a vote:
1. Against government controlling our personal lives.
2. Against an amendment to the constitution that discriminates against a group of people.
3. For equality and for letting people control what they do in their own lives.

This is not about personal religious beliefs. This is about the freedom of everyone to have their own beliefs and make their own decisions about their personal lives.

Please consider a no vote if you are not already.

RE:

10-09-2008, 09:56 PM

*VOTE NO!*

SoCal4Hillary

10-10-2008, 01:54 AM

I actually saw a "Yes on 8" bumper sticker today. :eek: :( I turned to give the driver a dirty look, but he was apparently looking at his cell phone...while driving...like the idiot he is.

ZY123

10-10-2008, 11:47 AM

My husband's boss is apparently "on the fence on this". :rolleyes: I guess he gave her an earful at work yesterday.....hopefully he changed her mind.

...a "Yes on 8" bumper sticker? What is wrong with people? They should be embarrassed to support discrimination.

ZY123

10-10-2008, 03:46 PM

I'm wondering if we should change the title of this thread again so people who aren't in CA can more easily see what this prop is about?

SoCal4Hillary

10-10-2008, 05:28 PM

...a "Yes on 8" bumper sticker? What is wrong with people? They should be embarrassed to support discrimination.I know, I know...I just don't understand how anyone can support inequality...and be dumb enough to ADVERTISE it, too. :confused:

ZY123

10-10-2008, 05:52 PM

I know, I know...I just don't understand how anyone can support inequality...and be dumb enough to ADVERTISE it, too. :confused:

LOL....my thoughts exactly.

I was so proud of my husband giving his boss an earful - he's an Independent (with some economic views that are pretty conservative) that fully supports same sex marriage and gay rights!

Suzan

10-10-2008, 06:57 PM

bump. I'm from CA and have seen ads pro and con. I had no idea it was going to be so close. We're all voting against it in my family. No gay members that I know of, but we support equality for all!

Suzan

10-10-2008, 06:58 PM

bump

ZY123

10-10-2008, 07:08 PM

bump. I'm from CA and have seen ads pro and con. I had no idea it was going to be so close. We're all voting against it in my family. No gay members that I know of, but we support equality for all!

I didn't realize it would be close either - I thought it would be a landslide NO on Prop 8....I feel late getting the message out but now that I know it's close I'm doing all I can to get the facts and the word out. Thanks for helping! :)

Laura Cereta

10-10-2008, 07:25 PM

bump

ZY123

10-10-2008, 08:55 PM

The young voters seem to have it right on this issue (too bad they don't have it right on Obama). GREAT commercial.

YouTube - No On Prop 8 - I Decide Ad

CGP

10-10-2008, 10:43 PM

Thanks for keeping up the battle for equality, Talyn!

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Also time for a reminder to a very small minority of poeple:

One of the FASTEST ways (perhaps THE fastest way) to have one's account disabled in this forum is to make homophobic or heterosexist comments. So to anyone who has an "issue" with this topic, best keep quiet. To anyone who opposes gay marriage - please SAY NOTHING. I have ZERO tolerance for anti-gay sentiment. Zero. :mad:

ZY123

10-10-2008, 11:12 PM

RE:

10-11-2008, 12:09 AM

Well hopefully we have a lot of board members that support this - if you support it bump the thread!

You know I do T!!!

Bumpity Bump Bump:p:)

Laura Cereta

10-11-2008, 02:15 PM

Well hopefully we have a lot of board members that support this - if you support it bump the thread!

I support it! bump! :D

RE:

10-13-2008, 03:26 AM

Another Support Bump!:D:);)

ZY123

10-21-2008, 10:17 AM

The election is getting closer and I saw a nice thread on someone who voting NO ON PROP 8!

A support bump.

ZY123

10-21-2008, 10:24 AM

For those Republicans on the Fence....here's a site for Republicans against Prop 8!

So a NO vote from a more conservative view....actually maybe this should be its own thread.

http://www.republicansagainst8.com/why-are-republicans-against-8/

Republicans across California are vowing to vote no on Proposition 8 for many reasons. Here are just a few.

* Limited Government: As a party, Republicans believe in limited government. Proposition 8 will give big government unprecedented control over the lives of private citizens by usurping their, Constitutionally-guaranteed rights and fundamental freedoms.

* Individual Liberty: Californians must defend the constitution’s promise to provide fundamental freedoms to everyone.

* Social Regulation: In California, we are already over-taxed and over-regulated fiscally—the kind of social regulation put forth in Proposition 8 only makes a bad situation worse.

* A Dangerous Precedent: Regardless of how you feel about marriage, Proposition 8 sets a dangerous social precedent in California. What’s next? Telling us how to discipline our children? Taking away the right to home schooling?

* Equality and Fairness: Proposition 8 would deny gays and lesbians the dignity and respect that marriage conveys to everyone else. That’s just wrong. Our laws should treat everyone equally. Fundamentally, this election is about protecting equality, freedom, and fairness for all.

Thirty years ago, Ronald Reagan stood against efforts to take away the fundamental freedom for all Californians to teach in public schools. Today, Republicans Against 8 join with Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger to continue fighting to protect fundamental freedoms for all Californians.

Listen to Republicans Against 8 tell you why they are opposed in their own words.