Openly Gay Choir Director At Obama's Church Was Murdered on December 23, 2007 - And Trinity Church's Outrageous Statement in Response to This Death!

[CGP]

VERY interesting to note that a NUMBER of media articles about this story have been REMOVED from the INTERNET. WHY? Was this crime ever solved? While doing an online search, I found that a number of articles that come up in the search are no longer vieweable. The list below consists of those articles which are still readable.

READ THESE...

(Dec 25, 2007): "Choir Director At Obama's Church Found Slain"
Read Article Here (Fox News) (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,318267,00.html)


(Dec 25, 2007): "Choir Director Slain in Apartment"
Read Article Here (NBC5) (http://www.nbc5.com/news/14921395/detail.html?rss=chi&psp=news)


(Dec 25, 2007): "Police investigate shooting death of choir conductor for well-known Chicago church"
Read Article Here (www.wane.com) (http://www.wane.com/global/story.asp?s=7540623)


(Dec 26, 2007): "Chicago police investigating death of choir conductor"
Read Article Here (www.pantagraph.com) (http://pantagraph.com/articles/2007/12/26/news/doc4771a4770577c558127664.txt)


(Dec 27, 2007): "Activists: Black Gay Men Targeted In 2 Killings"
Read Article Here (NBC5) (http://www.nbc5.com/news/14932441/detail.html?rss=chi&psp=news)


(Dec 27, 2007): "African-American Gay Community Scared Over Deaths"
Read Article Here (CBS2Chicago) (http://cbs2chicago.com/local/Donald.Young.Trinity.2.619036.html)


(Dec 30, 2007): "Parishioners, family, friends remember Trinity choir director"
Read Article Here (Chicago Tribune) (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-youngdec30,1,6430627.story?track=rss)



COMMENT FROM TRINITY CHURCH - So he deserved it because he was gay?

This comment from the Trinity Church basically says that Donald Young had it coming because he was gay. Like, we should not be surprised he was murdered - after all, he was gay? Or, because he was "out" and not "in the closet", we should not be surprised that he was murdered? And it's "self-serving" for an anti-hate group to be concerned about a possible hate crime? Where is the condemnation of the murder? MORE OUTRAGEOUS VIEWS FROM THE CHURCH OF HATE!

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/images/donaldyoung1.JPG

(Screen shot from CBS2Chicago Article (http://cbs2chicago.com/local/Donald.Young.Trinity.2.619036.html))

[G4Hillary]

Not a Church of God but a Church of Hate.

It doesn't surprise me to the least. These people are innately evil and it is clear as day. They are the black version of neo-nazis. Only difference being race. Everything else seems interchangeable. Ironic that a black church which was supposed to give comfort to its masses has become a cesspool of hate itself. Mr. Obama has not only attended this church for 20 years but ranks as one of its largest contributors and financiers.

If he had really been a leader he would have stopped this and had it change direction but no, he's far from a leader. He's an indoctrinated follower and devotee of the faith known as hate. sad.

[CGP]

The response of the "media director" of Trinty was APPALLING.

This is more WORTHY material for another MEDIA EXPOSE.

And what is the status of the Donald Young murder case?

[smsemedic]

perhaps we need to bring this up to the media again!
wow....this guy, obama, gets more and more scarier!:eek:

[PuppyDogMom]

Is there any way to hang on to these so they don't disappear?

Also, any idea whether the Golden Child went to the funeral?

Creeps...

[Ohio mom]

I AM DISGUSTED!!!! I SENT IT TO EVERYONE!!!! THE CHURCH'S RESPONSE WAS ABSURD!!!!!:mad::mad::mad:

[PuppyDogMom]

OB will probably get away with it unless Larry can come up with a little blue stained :rolleyes:dress.

[Optixmom]

Wright has a terrifying way of trying to make a point. In one of his speeches where he wants to bring attention to the atrocities of Darfur, he refers to the coverage of the Natalie Holloway murder in Aruba and describes her as a "girl who goes off and gives it up". (link) (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59887)
He basically says she is a Ho, so she got what she deserved.

I don't see anything on the TUCC website that urges others to fight for Darfur?

HATE TALK does not bring about PEACEFUL ACTION!

[Tesstown]

The response of the "media director" of Trinty was APPALLING.

This is more WORTHY material for another MEDIA EXPOSE.

And what is the status of the Donald Young murder case?

Perhaps one of the Chicago Black G/L groups mentioned in one of the articles may know the status of the investigation, or if anything is being done.

Below is a more recent article. Here is an interesting twist on this: Apparently a tabloid recently ran a story trying to connect Obama with the murder of the choir director. The tabloid suggested that the choir director may have known something about Obama. However, the point of the article is that the parent company of the tabloid is controlled by a company chaired by Roger Altman, a member of the former Clinton administration and advisor of Hillary's. In a nutshell, they are trying to say that this is a smear by a "Clintonista"!

http://www.opednews.com/articles/3/opedne_skeeter__080323_new_anti_obama_smear.htm

[ALL4HILLARY]

Perhaps one of the Chicago Black G/L groups mentioned in one of the articles may know the status of the investigation, or if anything is being done.

Below is a more recent article. Here is an interesting twist on this: Apparently a tabloid recently ran a story trying to connect Obama with the murder of the choir director. The tabloid suggested that the choir director may have known something about Obama. However, the point of the article is that the parent company of the tabloid is controlled by a company chaired by Roger Altman, a member of the former Clinton administration and advisor of Hillary's. In a nutshell, they are trying to say that this is a smear by a "Clintonista"!

http://www.opednews.com/articles/3/opedne_skeeter__080323_new_anti_obama_smear.htm

I think I read it in Esquire or something like that and also Larry's story was there. there something fishy in this story and a lot of others but something drastic has to be done soon because Obama is recovering from the pastor's comments as the poll show today.

[Ohio mom]

OF COURSE THEY WILL TRY TO BLAME HILLARY...IT WOULDN'T BE AN OBAMA STRATEGY IF IT DIDN'T TRY TO TWIST IT AROUND ONTO HILLARY'S CAMPAIGN!!!:rolleyes:

[mcgowan.swan]

i read the poll story in the wall street journal, apparently an nbc poll, saying that hillary was at her lowest point, 37% after obama's speech. that was the headline, hillary is slipping away. at the very end, one sentence: nbc says it's pollsters oversampled the african americans in order to get a better read on the race speech. ?????????? no one is going to read that last line, and the poll is basically skewed. it has absolutely no validity. this is the angle the obama campaign is going to take. get his buddies to mess with all the polls, go on vacation, look like the winner, and try to convince all the voters to come that he is not worried, that hillary can never "catch up" and that he is way way ahead and the wright thing is over. brilliant strategy. anyone have any ideas about blunting this freight train in the msm? because it just might work enough to get him the nomination. hillary is the one for the general, but we have to get her there. any help anyone??? maybe i'm worrying for nothing. it is true we are growing stronger and greater in volume every day. i always worry after i have been "out there" lol. still, we should take some kind of concerted action. ideas?

[Lodi]

i read the poll story in the wall street journal, apparently an nbc poll, saying that hillary was at her lowest point, 37% after obama's speech. that was the headline, hillary is slipping away. at the very end, one sentence: nbc says it's pollsters oversampled the african americans in order to get a better read on the race speech. ?????????? no one is going to read that last line, and the poll is basically skewed. it has absolutely no validity. this is the angle the obama campaign is going to take. get his buddies to mess with all the polls, go on vacation, look like the winner, and try to convince all the voters to come that he is not worried, that hillary can never "catch up" and that he is way way ahead and the wright thing is over. brilliant strategy. anyone have any ideas about blunting this freight train in the msm? because it just might work enough to get him the nomination. hillary is the one for the general, but we have to get her there. any help anyone??? maybe i'm worrying for nothing. it is true we are growing stronger and greater in volume every day. i always worry after i have been "out there" lol. still, we should take some kind of concerted action. ideas?

Who puts any real credibility on TV or online polls? The voters in PA will tell the real story. I know that all the media garbage spewing around us can be maddening in its bias and unfairness, which is why it's sometimes a good idea to turn everything off for a while. Take a break until the bad vibes pass. I think in the end, we can still count on Obama to undo himself. The polling is faulty.

[Ijane]

Not a Church of God but a Church of Hate

That's it. That's all it is...A church of hate! Obama attended the church for 20 years and anyone who thinks for one minute that his views don't reflect the views of the church needs to step away from their crack pipe.

I hate Obama. He will never be elected. Obama, Michelle, Wright and farrakhan are all laughing their way to the nomination.

[Lodi]

The response of the "media director" of Trinty was APPALLING.

This is more WORTHY material for another MEDIA EXPOSE.

And what is the status of the Donald Young murder case?

Murray: Do you think the church was complicit in Mr. Young's murder? Their statement is sickening. They're implying that he wasn't free to be who he was because that would make him a target, and so, oh well, he asked for it.
Disgusting!! They should have been working to change attitudes and protect the especially at-risk lambs in the flock. I can't believe they call themselves a church. These kinds of stories make me sad and dejected. It doesn't have to be like this. Unaccepting people need "shift"--a metaphorical whack that helps readjust their attitude. Down though I might feel, I'm resolved to work even harder for the acceptance and respect due to all.

[evolin]

i read the poll story in the wall street journal, apparently an nbc poll, saying that hillary was at her lowest point, 37% after obama's speech. that was the headline, hillary is slipping away. at the very end, one sentence: nbc says it's pollsters oversampled the african americans in order to get a better read on the race speech. ?????????? no one is going to read that last line, and the poll is basically skewed. it has absolutely no validity. this is the angle the obama campaign is going to take. get his buddies to mess with all the polls, go on vacation, look like the winner, and try to convince all the voters to come that he is not worried, that hillary can never "catch up" and that he is way way ahead and the wright thing is over. brilliant strategy. anyone have any ideas about blunting this freight train in the msm? because it just might work enough to get him the nomination. hillary is the one for the general, but we have to get her there. any help anyone??? maybe i'm worrying for nothing. it is true we are growing stronger and greater in volume every day. i always worry after i have been "out there" lol. still, we should take some kind of concerted action. ideas?
He is being supported and virtually having his head held up out of the water by blacks and he is not really black. He is purporting and masquerading as black to get the nomination. Hie is White/Arabic with only 6.2% African Negro blood. (White 53% Arabic43.75%)
Blacks need to be told that Obama is NOT black!!! He is hiding in the shadows of the black community to get their support.

[ALL4HILLARY]

I send these articles to press contacts

[Ijane]

He is being supported and virtually having his head held up out of the water by blacks and he is not really black.

I read that Obama had a bit of a time being accepted by the black community way back when. He worked real hard to prove he was black. Joined an afrocentric church, married an angry black woman. distanced himself from his white family. Worked like a charm!

It's not just the black community holding this guy up. There's a heck of a lot of white nuts out there helping. Last night I had the misfortune of accidentally stumbling into an Obama forum while looking for a picture of Michelle in her mink coat. Oh wow!! What a trip!! The picture at the top of the forum pages are of Obama in the heavens. The comments on their pages show truly delusional supporters. I was scared :eek:

[CQ4Hillary]

I can't believe they have the nerve to call themselves a church! Hate breeds hate and this place is an incubator! Shows where BO got his anti-gay leanings.

CQ

[Lodi]

Here's my theory: Obama is a self-hating homosexual. He can't abandon the "pastor" who helped him "recover" from his homosexuality because he probably needs to hear that homophobe preaching to keep his inauthentic self in check. In that way, he can continue to masquerade on the political stage and garner votes under false pretenses.

His latent homosexuality, which he'd like to keep that way for political reasons, leads him to homophobes like Wright and like that "cured" formerly gay man who threw him the fundraiser!

As with McGreevey, who was guilted by his Catholic faith into masking his own truth, the truth will eventually be outed!

Prediction: Obama will drop out of the race in late May.

[Annie]

Yikes - this should come out somewhere official. Wonder if Larry the accuser knows more than he is telling and wants to say it all in court. If it is true - it will come out during the general if obamama get the nomination. If it is Hillary who gets the nomination she should not in any way have The Obomonation as VP - it could be dangerous for her. Thinking Odinga also.....the people surrounding this man is really terrifying.

Julianne: I hope you're prediction is Wright er...I mean right. - Do you read horror scopes?
Prediction: Obama will drop out of the race in late May.

[skc1976]

I don't really find the church's response as that of genuine grief. They clearly state his life was a choice, which is something that many GLBTQ people are against. After all, who would CHOOSE to be in a minority that's persecuted and ridiculed?

And we're not tying this with her campaign at all. However, it's interesting that this tidbit has been swept under the rug by the media.

[hillary4change]

The reason they aren't looking out for their more vulnerable
in the congregation, is because they believe
hate crimes are only commited against
people because they are black.

They don't think gay people are victims
(I hate to use that word) of hate. That is
because, obviously by their own media directors
statement they aren't as important as the rest of
the congregation.

It pains me to say that but I think it is as plain as
my garlic nose. :eek: I actually married into
the garlic group!! But lets not forget I am still
Typical!!! Sorry, humor helps when I am
angry, disappointed...etc. :(

[Ijane]

"Young did live an openly gay lifestyle; that was his choice"

What could have been the point of that statement other then an accusation of bringing on his fate himself due to being open about his sexuality?

That's how I read the statement but if someone else is reading it differently, I'd love to hear their perspective.

[hillary4change]

There wasn't anything genuine there
at all.
That was thinly veiled hate.
It is like saying if
your black and know the KKK
is out there!?!?
Or if you chose to go out there
and the KKK got you, well!?!?

Hate is hate!!!

[foreigner4hillary]

this is all difficult to follow... what is being suggested here?
we need to work really hard to keep Hillary on task too... that bosinia thing was a mess up big time...yes, she was there that is great! Not sure what she was thinking and she needs to regain this fast... I heard someone on C-Span calling in and saying she dropped being for Hillary because of the Bosnia thing and now is for BO and thinks the Wright thing should just go away because she lied and he's just the pastor! NOW that is disturbing to me... we need PA 85% and NC and IN etc... :confused:


Meh. I wouldn't believe everything you hear or read. If someone can be as fickle as that...the tide will bring her back.

[foreigner4hillary]

"Young did live an openly gay lifestyle; that was his choice"

What could have been the point of that statement other then an accusation of bringing on his fate himself due to being open about his sexuality?

That's how I read the statement but if someone else is reading it differently, I'd love to hear their perspective.


I concur Ijane. It doesn't sound very sympathetic. Of course, words alone can be hard to judge.

[CGP]

The articles in this thread are from established media outlets. They have simply been linked here for people to read.

The response of the church was anything BUT genunie grief. Read the quote below - this is a disgusting response from the church's media adviser. Where is the condemnation of the murder? No, we get a response saying, well, he was gay you know and and open about it - what else did he expect? The adviser did not lament the man's death - he linked it to be him being gay.

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/images/donaldyoung1.JPG

[Ijane]

I thought it was pretty blatant as to the church's views on homosexuality. Why wouldn't this be the views of the church? It's a black nationalist church. Being against whites, Jews and homosexuals is a strong characteristic of black nationalism. I think it's important because it speaks to Obama's views. He was a member of the church for 20 years. I still don't know how anyone in their right mind can say that Obama didn't share the views of the church. It's crazy!

[CGP]

I thought it was pretty blatant as to the church's views on homosexuality.

Precisely.

[CGP]

... I heard someone on C-Span calling in and saying she dropped being for Hillary because of the Bosnia thing and now is for BO and thinks the Wright thing should just go away because she lied and he's just the pastor!

Are you really thinking here? As if ANY genuine Hillary supporter would dump Hillary because she mis-remembered some details from an event 12 YEARS AGO and as if any genuine Hillary supporter would say they think the Wright fiasco isn't that bad in comparison. Clearly you were listening to an avid Obama supporter - even if they didn't expose their bias from the outset.

[CGP]

By the way, being gay myself (White) and having an African-American partner (who is "in the closet" or "on the down-low"), I have a very good understanding of the issues and complexities of gay life in general, and gay life in the African-American community.

It enrages me to see a CHURCH link this man's death to him being gay - as though that was an acceptable explanation for his death. That's like saying in response to a woman who was raped - "well, she was wearing flimsy clothing and that was her choice to dress like that" - blaming the victim, not the offender - how outraged people would be to hear such a response and justifiably so!!!!!! This response from the church about the death of their openly-gay choir director is in the same league. Appalling.

[foreigner4hillary]

Any of you active in the GLBT community? I don't understand how some of them can support Obama despite his reluctance to even take a photo. I mean sheesh.

It's just a damn photo. How homophobic can a guy get?!

[CGP]

I've always assumed these are Obama operatives "posing" as disaffected Hillary supporters

You mean in relation to the person on C-Span? Yes, I would agree. They are pretending to be "disaffected Hillary supporters". Otherwise known as "concern trolls" in the Internet world.

[Annie]

Originally Posted by mjoynaples
this is all difficult to follow... what is being suggested here?
we need to work really hard to keep Hillary on task too... that bosinia thing was a mess up big time...yes, she was there that is great! Not sure what she was thinking and she needs to regain this fast... I heard someone on C-Span calling in and saying she dropped being for Hillary because of the Bosnia thing and now is for BO and thinks the Wright thing should just go away because she lied and he's just the pastor! NOW that is disturbing to me... we need PA 85% and NC and IN etc... Meh. I wouldn't believe everything you hear or read. If someone can be as fickle as that...the tide will bring her back.


That person is probably an obomaniac or Republican just more hating - ignore it. Anybody who has any sense at all will vote for Hillary - She WAS in Bosnia - she DID GO to two outposts to visit the Military and the entertainers who went to Bosnia did not go to the outposts. Sinbad is obviously for Obama and does he really know what Hillary was told - I don't think so, even if he did remember.

Ambassador Wilson wrote a great piece on this amongst others - Here and elsewhere. Perhaps it should be brought up to the first page here again.

[Ijane]

The connection to Young's murder and Trinity would be due to Larry Sinclair who said he was in communication with Young prior to his murder.

This thread only connects the anti-gay views of the church to Obama.

[YesSheCan]

...
And I remind everyone - this is an independent forum with no affiliation to Hillary Clinton.
...
This is what I like about your forum, Murray, and thank you for it. Here we are independent and can get everything on the table. Also regarding the post by mjoynaples, whereas Clinton mis-remembered and confused events, Obama deliberately lied to both Olberman and to Hannity (the Major) when he said he had never heard his pastor say such things. But then when he cried as in the photo (click to enlarge), he said yes he did hear such things.

[bee1972]

Someone should let Elton John know about this!! He might have something to say at his concert and he carries so much clout and respect amongst everybody!!!

How dare the media let them get away with something like this!!!

[CGP]

This is what I like about your forum, Murray, and thank you for it. Here we are independent and can get everything on the table. Also regarding the post by mjoynaples, whereas Clinton mis-remembered and confused events, Obama deliberately lied to both Olberman and to Hannity (the Major) when he said he had never heard his pastor say such things. But then when he cried as in the photo (click to enlarge), he said yes he did hear such things.

Yes, why was Obama's LIE about THAT not given more exposure? He used that pathetically insincere race relations speech to "wipe away" his LIES about saying he'd never heard such statements in 20 years of attending that church.

People need to remember that the MEDIA and OBAMA have COLLUDED to DECEIVE the public into thinking the "bosnia" story is important - it is completely UNIMPORTANT. No human being can accurately remember every specific detail of single events from the past - especially not 12 years ago. On the other had, human beings have very good skills of judging the CHARACTER & VIEWS of someone we spend 20 YEARS associating with!

Obama's LIES and DEFENSES in relation to WRIGHT are APPALLING - that is the REAL STORY and this why the MEDIA and OBAMA are COLLUDING to try and desperately, very desperately, shift focus to Hillary because they know the Wright issue - if the public fully grasped - would be the END to Obama's FRAUDLENT campaign & the media's promotion of it.

Important for all to retain a CRITICAL mind when interpreting the PROPAGANDA and LIES spread by Obama and SOME (not all) journalists and media outlets.

[CGP]

Someone should let Elton John know about this!! He might have something to say at his concert and he carries so much clout and respect amongst everybody!!!

How dare the media let them get away with something like this!!!

Good point about Elton.

[HillWill]

Remember that Google owners support Obama. I think Yahoo does too.

[CGP]

The connection to Young's murder and Trinity would be due to Larry Sinclair who said he was in communication with Young prior to his murder.

This thread only connects the anti-gay views of the church to Obama.

Yes, I specifically did not include or give attention to Larry's Sinclair's views - the primary attention was/is to expose Trinity's anti-gay attitudes and their despicable response to this murder - basically blaming it on the victim - not because he was robbed or anything like that - but because he was gay!

[Area504]

Does everyone here know about this? From October 2007:


Obama, the Gospel Singer and Gays
by Mike Dorning, and updated

A Gospel concert tour that the Barack Obama campaign has organized for this weekend is stirring controversy among some gay activists.


Grammy Award-winning gospel artist Donnie McClurkin, who has offended gay rights groups by promoting the view that homosexuality is a choice and that gays can be "cured," is among several gospel singers scheduled to campaign on behalf of Obama in South Carolina. McClurkin is one of the singers featured in the tour's finale on Sunday.

The rest of the article can be found here (http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/10/obama_the_gospel_singer_and_ga.html).

[mjoynaples]

I've always assumed these are Obama operatives "posing" as disaffected Hillary supporters

thanks folks for clearing this up for me... I have been trying to stay away from BIASD media... however, the original show was providing info on votes and delegates and possiblities and it sounded great until they opened lines up to the Obama folks and Clinton folks and the clinton folks were actually great, clear with their points and even encouraing us all to unifiy get the votes in FL , MI counted etc...except that one I mentioned and then all the Obama's folks were critical, nasty etc...now that I put the switcher in the context some of you offered it to me it makes so much more sense... I do not want anything (and I am not alone thankfully here) to interfere or distract from Hillary's great campaign and moving forward all the way to the WHITE HOUSE!

and yes, I did pick up on the anti-gay comments , the whole pastor-church seems to be including negativity and prejudice to everyone except themselves... and thanks for the help... back to not watching the biased media! whew!

[CGP]

And we're not tying this with her campaign at all. However, it's interesting that this tidbit has been swept under the rug by the media.

It's called COLLUDING with OBAMA to protect his campaign - avoiding unwanted negative attention.

[Ijane]

After reading a little more about Young, I do find the Young murder a little out of the ordinary.
He was a 47 year old man who was an elementary teacher and had planned to go back to graduate school to become a principal. He had been with the church since he was 12. He was described as beyond caring and giving: "He would pray with you in an instant. He would come over and ask about your family. He showed that kind of concern for everybody. He did not pick and choose who he shared his love with."

He was shot in his apartment. The police said that his apartment door was found shut but not locked. This suggests that he may have opened the door for someone he knew. Who would want to kill someone like this because it really doesn't sound like a random act of violence.

[CGP]

After reading a little more about Young, I do find the Young murder a little out of the ordinary.
He was a 47 year old man who was an elementary teacher and had planned to go back to graduate school to become a principal. He had been with the church since he was 12. He was described as beyond caring and giving: "He would pray with you in an instant. He would come over and ask about your family. He showed that kind of concern for everybody. He did not pick and choose who he shared his love with."

He was shot in his apartment. The police said that his apartment door was found shut but not locked. This suggests that he may have opened the door for someone he knew. Who would want to kill someone like this because it really doesn't sound like a random act of violence.

My thoughts exactly. And why after 47 years did it happen in December 2007? He was obviously a very public figure in his church - if someone wanted to target him, they had countless opportunities to do so before December 2007.

[Ijane]

Not to mention...according to the police report, he was shot "several times". Someone shot him several times and bothered to shut the door of the apartment on their way out?

...and this took place in an apartment building and no one seems to know anything?

Hmmmm......

[CGP]

Not to mention...according to the police report, he was shot "several times". Someone shot him several times and bothered to shut the door of the apartment on their way out?

...and this took place in an apartment building and no one seems to know anything?

Hmmmm......

How can we establish where the case is at in terms of "resolving" it?

[Ijane]

How can we establish where the case is at in terms of "resolving" it?

This happened only 3 months ago so there might not be that much as of yet. It is very interesting, though. My kid goes to school in Chicago so I'll ask her what "street theories" are going around.

[ILLHillGuy]

As a gay guy (from Chicago, no less!) I find this especially appalling. I know that the black community handles the gay issue differently than others BUT in Chicago there is a GREAT community of GLBT's and their straight allies. That reaction is unacceptable, especially in our area.

Im fwd-ing this on to different GLBT groups on myspace and blogs that I know of to get this out there. Maybe the people who "choose to live" this way can "choose to wake up the media" to hate!

[PuppyDogMom]

I am tired of this pandering and fear-mongering. Obama can spend 20 years admiring a hate-preaching pastor - and you don't think that has justified potential to ruin his campaign? And you are trying to scare people into silence for fear of the media or whoever making a possible link between PUBLIC discussion of the gay murder story and Hillary Clinton. Gee, Hillary must be a busy women - busy being responsible for everyone else's errors!!

Isn't this what the MSM is trying to do, and Obamaites as well? Correct me if I'm wrong, but this sounds an awful lot like bullying to me.

The more we stand back out of fear, the more we make it easier for the other side to get away with this garbage.

And yes, Hillary is busy. Actually, she's been busy most of her life...working for us. Right?:)

[CGP]

[COLOR=DarkGreen][FONT=Comic Sans MS]
The more we stand back out of fear, the more we make it easier for the other side to get away with this garbage.

This is what I think. Being intimidated into silence is exactly what the opponent wants to happen - creates an easier pathway for him to cruise throughout without scrutiny.

No, people should not be afraid to speak up. There is nothing wrong in asking legitimate questions about legitimate topics - after all, this is job selection process for the presidency of the USA - a reasonably important role I would suggest! :rolleyes: This fear of speaking up and being heard, which some Hillary supporters have, is a direct consequence of being bullied into SILENCE by the media, the obama campaign, and obama supporters - this is exactly what they want. No, I won't stand for it!

Do not be bullied into silence.

[Wyoming Dem]

I was raised by a set of parents that were much ahead of their time. I am 57, white & was adopted. My parents were white as well. Never saw a black person until I attended San Diego State at 16. Also never saw an openly gay person until that time. My mom, who passed away a few years back made a comment I will never forget: "Being gay is HARD. If this was simply a lifestyle choice, why would anyone put themselves through what gay, lesbian, bi-sexuals, transsexuals, etc. go through?" It would just be so much easier for them to "decide" to be straight. I just think that the creator made them the way they are just like he made me the way I am." Incredibly insightful for a woman who came here from Ireland at the age of 3 and only finished 8th grade. Lived on a ranch in the middle of nowhere in Montana. One of 12 children from an ARDENT catholic family. It's a tragedy that other's cannot open their minds and hearts to differences between us. I cannot imagine what being gay must be like in today's society anymore than I can imagine being African American in our society. So, Pastor Wright preaches injustice, hatred and anti-semitism against all who are different but harangues' his congregation about the injustice, hatred and racism that African Americans suffer. Hypocrisy, "Pastor Wright" is thy name.

[mkreyns]

Are you really thinking here? As if ANY genuine Hillary supporter would dump Hillary because she mis-remembered some details from an event 12 YEARS AGO and as if any genuine Hillary supporter would say they think the Wright fiasco isn't that bad in comparison. Clearly you were listening to an avid Obama supporter - even if they didn't expose their bias from the outset.

I am a genuine Hillary supporter and I think that Hillary actually confused either two events or just exagerated what really happened. I heard or read somewhere that when they got off the plane, it was like taped event they showed, but the handshaking was cut short because they heard sniper fire or shooting in the background and they had to go and take cover. I think the issue was pulled all out of proportion. Now there is so much dirt on Obama that no one knows about and people are voting in the blind because they think that he is some kind of clean politician. Think and research, then vote Hillary!!!

[CGP]

I am a genuine Hillary supporter and I think that Hillary actually confused either two events or just exagerated what really happened. I heard or read somewhere that when they got off the plane, it was like taped event they showed, but the handshaking was cut short because they heard sniper fire or shooting in the background and they had to go and take cover. I think the issue was pulled all out of proportion. Now there is so much dirt on Obama that no one knows about and people are voting in the blind because they think that he is some kind of clean politician. Think and research, then vote Hillary!!!

Yes, it was a simple error of memory - human beings do it on a daily basis. There is TONNES of psychological research documenting the errors people make when recollecting details of events from years ago. It is common to confuse information from related events and combine into one collective memory.

[Wyoming Dem]

But most days, I can't remember what I did 20 minutes ago!

[endodoc79]

The coverage of Hillary by much a the mainstream media has been so mean-spirited, cruel, half-truths that it is hard to believe they can call it news. I can't really understand how this is allowed to happen by the higher ups but someone thinks that this sells. But I think that this can backfire. This is so unfair that if any reasonable people are watching they will be turned off. Also I believe in voting with my pocketbook - while we are sending emails lets send some to Jeff Zucker, head of NBC Universal and Jeff Immelt CEO at GE the parent company, that we will not watch and let the advertisers know as well. But as Eleanor Clift on the Mclaughlin report quoted - the first woman president of the United States will need to be part Mother Theresa and part Jack the Ripper. Hillary is made of tough stuff - like the old Timex watch commercials - takes a lickin', but keeps on tickin', FROM PENNSYLVANIA TO PENNSYLVANIA AVE.

[trading wine for beer]

thanks for sharing these links Murray! Geez... there are sooooooooooooo many reasons to NOT vote for Obama. I just really don't understand how anyone in the glbt community, or even allies of the glbt communty would even consider this guy as our president. :eek::eek::eek:

Guess I better start thinking about where I want my black triangle tattooed. Maybe the Obotazi's will let us choose the style.

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

[Les33]

The first articles say he was beloved at Trinity, but nothing is mentioned about his being gay until The LGBT activists get involved. Then Trinity says he chose to be out (be himself), as if that's more than enough of an explanation as to why he would be murdered. And the LGBT Community is somehow being self-serving to be concerned for the safety of its courageous out people? How does the spokesperson arrive at that assessment?

I'm too tired and mad to adequately respond to this.

[CGP]

The first articles say he was beloved at Trinity, but nothing is mentioned about his being gay until The LGBT activists get involved. Then Trinity says he chose to be out (be himself), as if that's more than enough of an explanation as to why he would be murdered. And the LGBT Community is somehow being self-serving to be concerned for the safety of its courageous out people? How does the spokesperson arrive at that assessment?

I'm too tired and mad to adequately respond to this.

I hear ya Les. It's enraging. And exhausting at the same time. Fighting the LGBT cause is very tiring...

[skc1976]

And in relation to Obama's thoughts on being gay...tell me what you think:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APZoloYg-XQ

[trading wine for beer]

And in relation to Obama's thoughts on being gay...tell me what you think:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APZoloYg-XQ

Yeah, and defending his church is much much much more important than global warming et. al. He felt passionate enough about that to take time out of his busy day to read a speech someone else wrote about race, his church, and his grandmothers. I suppose we could use that against him as being neglectful of mother earth.

And the way he made the "gay marriage" issue sound like a spoiled rich kids tantrum because he got a blue blazer instead of a black one for x-mas is quite telling of his truest feelings against the glbt community. Very sickening.

Obama is "kicking the dog". Right in the midsection. I think he's cherry picking again. Too bad he doesn't connect the dots of "isms" and oppression... how they are all related... how supporting one form of oppression and "ism" supports, feeds, and fuels them all.

Too bad Coretta Scott isn't around to put him in his place. And, I would wage a bet that she'd be standing with Hillary.

[skc1976]

Yeah, and defending his church is much much much more important than global warming et. al. He felt passionate enough about that to take time out of his busy day to read a speech someone else wrote about race, his church, and his grandmothers. I suppose we could use that against him as being neglectful of mother earth.

And the way he made the "gay marriage" issue sound like a spoiled rich kids tantrum because he got a blue blazer instead of a black one for x-mas is quite telling of his truest feelings against the glbt community. Very sickening.

Obama is "kicking the dog". Right in the midsection. I think he's cherry picking again. Too bad he doesn't connect the dots of "isms" and oppression... how they are all related... how supporting one form of oppression and "ism" supports, feeds, and fuels them all.

Too bad Coretta Scott isn't around to put him in his place. And, I would wage a bet that she'd be standing with Hillary.

When I saw this video, it sickened me to my stomach. This is the same man that poured last minute money into GLBTQ publications before Super Tuesday II and then feels that gay marriage isn't important enough to talk about. Another contradiction from the king of double talk.

And you're right, too bad Coretta Scott isn't around. Would be interesting to hear the thoughts.

[CGP]

This story infuriates me.

[CGP]

This is the Donald Young story Larry Sinclair is referring to.

[SantaCruzen]

By the way, being gay myself (White) and having an African-American partner (who is "in the closet" or "on the down-low"), I have a very good understanding of the issues and complexities of gay life in general, and gay life in the African-American community.

It enrages me to see a CHURCH link this man's death to him being gay - as though that was an acceptable explanation for his death. That's like saying in response to a woman who was raped - "well, she was wearing flimsy clothing and that was her choice to dress like that" - blaming the victim, not the offender - how outraged people would be to hear such a response and justifiably so!!!!!! This response from the church about the death of their openly-gay choir director is in the same league. Appalling.


I agree that the AA community has been one of the most difficult ones for men or women in same sex relationships. Being from the SF Bay Area, I have heard many people's stories about coming out and families dealing with them. AA's are highly closeted in fear of their own familial communities not of TWPs. That story just proves that Hatred has not Color.

[CGP]

I agree that the AA community has been one of the most difficult ones for men or women in same sex relationships. Being from the SF Bay Area, I have heard many people's stories about coming out and families dealing with them. AA's are highly closeted in fear of their own familial communities not of TWPs.

I live the nightmare DAILY!

My beloved partner lives in DAILY fear of being "outed".

He lives in SILENCE about his true identity.

[Dendy]

I don’t know if I should post this as a separate thread but I’m starting to really buy the story.

http://bigheaddc.com/category/larry-sinclair/page/2/

If you click on Larry’s name in the blue field underneath UPDATE, you’ll get everything about the story.

[AdrienneJ]

So Donnie thinks that homosexuality can be cured?
Funny, I've heard that about heterosexuality too. I've also heard it's a lot more fun to cure heterosexuality.:D

Has anybody found a cure for ignorance?


(oh hell, this post was in reference to a quote given here by somebody on Donnie McClurkin,a gospel singer whose going around spreading trash. And now I don't see it.. oh well, you get the idea)

I didn't mean to blog anything flippant here in a discussion about this tragedy.

[Artists4Hillary]

this is all difficult to follow... what is being suggested here?
we need to work really hard to keep Hillary on task too... that bosinia thing was a mess up big time...yes, she was there that is great! Not sure what she was thinking and she needs to regain this fast... I heard someone on C-Span calling in and saying she dropped being for Hillary because of the Bosnia thing and now is for BO and thinks the Wright thing should just go away because she lied and he's just the pastor! NOW that is disturbing to me... we need PA 85% and NC and IN etc... :confused:



Everything everyone is saying about that church is true, we know that absolutely. That response by the church was hateful and irresponsible.

But I have to agree with the above post. The Bosnia thing was a big-time gaff. We all know she wasn't lying, but the point is, the media has spun it in such a way that now she is the biggest liar on earth, according to them. This is the kind of stuff we are getting bombarded with. I can believe that a voter, especially a young one, could easily be swayed by the media and defect.

However, I think there has been a blacklash because of the relentless call for Hillary to drop out. Obama has lost women voters. He made a serious gaff with the grandmother and the "typical white woman". When he brought that openly anti-gay gospel singer to a rally intended for the gay and lesbian community, it cost him PLENTY of votes. There was outrage.

We do have to work really hard to keep Hillary on task; we're going into PA, IN and NC.

[NURSERATCHET]

NURSERATCHET11:37PMApr 15th 2008

THE MEDIA HAS HAD THIS STORY FOR MONTHS AND THEY ARE REFUSING TO LET THE AMERICAN VOTERS KNOW ABOUT IT! WHY? I CAN THINK OF TWO REASONS: 1. THEY ARE WAITING FOR OBAMA TO GET THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION AND THEN THEY WILL TOTALLY SMEAR HIM WITH THIS STORY AND MCCAIN WINS THE WHITE HOUSE. 2. THEY ARE SCARED TO DEATH TO RELEASE IT FOR FEAR OF RETALIATION FROM THE BLACK COMMUNITY. SO WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?? WE MUST MAKE THEM INVESTIGATE!!!!__________________________________

Larry Sinclair alleges that on 6th and 7th November 1999 in Chicago, Illinois he met Barack Obama for a social evening which included drinks in a lounge, followed by a drive around town in his hired limousine during which Obama supplied cocaine, smoked crack through his own glass pipe while accepting fellatio from Sinclair.

The next day Obama took the initiative to visit Sinclair’s Comfort Inn hotel room in Gurney, Illinois for a “quickie” version of the previous night’s activities. Both men were 38 years of age. Larry Sinclair was on parole visiting for a few days from Colorado. Barack Obama was a member of the Illinois Senate.

These scenes are reminiscent of the Oprah Winfrey’s show in which she featured J.L. King’s book “Men On the Down Low: A Journey into the Lives of Straight Black Men Who Sleep with Men”

The story has produced some newsworthy reactions most of which can be described as a cover-up:

1. A virtual internet and media lynch mob composed mainly of Obama supporters is bent on discrediting Sinclair with allegations about his homosexuality, his convictions for check fraud in the 1980’s and his mental and emotional stability. Part of their dirty tricks is to circulate to the media a forged facsimile of a page for the Washington Post which includes numerous lies about Sinclair and to declare that he was in a mental hospital at the time he said he was with Obama, and to attack his family and neighbors.

A noteworthy participant in the campaign of vilification is Andres W. Lopez an attorney for the Obama campaign in Puerto Rico who is a member of the campaign’s National Finance Committee. He appeared on Puerto Rico’s most popular TV magazine show WAPA TV’s “SuperXclusivo” on April 10th 2008 to denounce Sinclair as a major headache and distraction for the Obama campaign and implied that he was mentally ill and working for the Hilary Clinton campaign.

Sinclair has hit back against some of the critics with law suits for defamation in the DC district court filed by his attorney Montgomery Sibley most recently noteworthy for his defence of the “DC Madam”.

On 1st April, 2008 US District Court Judge Henry Kennedy granted a motion for discovery in the matter. The aim of the Sinclair-Sibley legal strategy is eventually to discover Barack Obama on oath.

2. Larry Sinclair took a polygraph test in February confident that he would pass and he challenged Obama to do the same. The test was arranged by Whitehouse.com an internet site best known for pornography and anti-Clinton political satire.

The raw computer readings showed that Larry Sinclair passed the test with flying colours. But two testers hired by Whitehouse.com re-interpreted the readings to claim that they showed deception. One of the testers was Edward I. Gelb who has been exposed by specialists in the field for claiming a phony Ph.D.

Whitehouse.com refused to publish the full results or the video of the test and in many other respects breached good faith undertakings they gave Sinclair to induce him to participate. He claims that he and his attorney are in possession of information that the Obama campaign bribed Whitehouse.com to distort the test and spin the presentation of the results.

Whitehouse.com has not denied these allegations but has abruptly gone silent on the matter.

3. Many in the mainstream media are aware of Larry Sinclair’s allegations about Barack Obama and rumours in Chicago restaurant and club land since at least 2001 that Barack Obama has been doing the Down Low with gay men. Some newspaper have interviewed Larry Sinclair and visited his home in Minnesota. He has provided them with his criminal record, his health and financial records and his family history.

At least one major Chicago newspaper has indicated that it will not proceed yet because it does not want to be accused of racism or of causing problems for the first viable black candidate. Other newspapers have asked for more proof such as access to the limousine driver who witnessed the events of November 6th, 1999.

Larry Sinclair has said the driver will testify in legal proceedings. But in the meantime he wants to protect him from interference from Obama campaign, from the kind of death threats to which Sinclair has been subjected and from the kind of harrssment that Obama supporters have visited on Sinclair’s elderly mother, his siblings and neighbors. However, Larry Sinclair is willing to provide assurances about his evidence to the media through his lawyer.

4. When Larry Sinclair first reported his allegations to the Obama campaign in September 2007 he wanted Obama to correct his claim that he had stopped taking drugs in his teens and had never taken crack. He believes crack is addictive and difficult to shake off.

Over the following months until December, 2007 he was contacted several times by Donald Young who appeared to be Obama’s emissary. He was the choir master at the Trinity Church of Christ which was under the direction of Pastor Jeremiah Wright and where Barack Obama is a member of the congregation. Donald Young informed Larry Sinclair that he, too, had a sex and drugs relationship with Barack Obama similar to his.

At first he suggested that Obama was seeking the assistance of Jeremiah Wright in making a statement acknowledging his use of crack cocaine as recently as 1999. But he had second thoughts in early December 2007. Donald Young was murdered in his appartment at Christmas 2007.

Larry Sinclair notified the Chicago police of his contacts with him but received no acknowledgment. Subsequently he has submitted a sworn affidavit which has so far not been acknowledged by the Chicago Police.

Larry’ Sinclair’s original video on YouTube has received more than 800,000 hits and his blog is in the top ten percentile on WordPress. Links to all his radio interviews can be found at his blog together will all contact details for the media.
________________________

Larry Sinclair’s blog with links to all his YouTube videos and radio interviews:

http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com

[ginamc]

The Larry Sinclair story is HUGE, HUGE in Puerto Rico. Wait until Obama goes there, he's going to be in for a big surprise. And, I'm wondering how the MSM is going to avoid that story when it is on the Puerto Rican airwaves every, single day and night. They are eventually going to have to deal with the story. Of course, they can always dismiss it. I do not see Obama garnering much support in Puerto Rico, this story is devastating for him over there. And, it has filtered into the FL Latino community. This is super-bad news for him with Latinos from the Caribbean.

[ginamc]

Here is Larry Sinclair's transcript to Chicago P.D.:
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/larry-sinclair-affidavit.pdf

[SweetBecca]

i find it sad the reward offered for information leading to an arrest is a mere $1,000. am i out of touch? has the amount been increased?

Donald was the beloved choir director at the Trinity United Church of Christ....the same church that has issued a $10 million line of credit on the new home of their retired Reverend Jeremiah Wright.

my heart goes out to Donald's family and friends.

[sisterrosetta]

Larry Sinclair Exposes Murder of Obama's Alleged Gay Lover

YouTube - Larry Sinclair Exposes Murder of Obama's Alleged Gay Lover


Gay Choir Conductor In Obama's Church Killed By Gunman

YouTube - Gay Choir Conductor In Obama's Church Killed By Gunman

[sisterrosetta]

GIVE ME A KICK-ASS LESBIAN ANY DAY OF THE WEEK

“How is that you fell into the Larry universe, and how is it that someone who writes levelly would seemingly align with someone who seems, pardon the vernicular, off his ******* rocker?”

If you read the commenters at Larry’s site, you’ll find many level-headed there. Victor is one of the best. All of us probably arrived there for different reasons. We had our own reasons for opposing Obama in the first place, and Larry’s story was just another nail in the coffin.

As for Larry being “off his ******* rocker,” Larry is his own worst enemy, to be sure. But that doesn’t mean that his accusation that Obama smoked crack cocaine in 1999 isn’t true. I wouldn’t want to be in Larry’s shoes right now.

And aren’t you the least bit intrigued that the openly-gay choirmaster at Obama’s infamous church ends up brutally murdered? I am. I’m not implying that Obama had any direct involvement. But it is just possible that someone close to Obama took matters into their own hands, shall we say.

Something stinks at that church.

As for why I opposed Obama in the first place, well, you asked. Or, at least, I think you asked.

Comment by sisterrosetta on April 9, 2008 @ 10:50 pm
http://blog.hill4pres.com/2008/02/19/obamas-credibility-problem.aspx
Please check out above link and comments where I’ve commented on this issue in the past. Thank you.

TO BE CONTINUED
THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTEREST

[sisterrosetta]

NURSERATCHET AND CITIZEN WELLS

Comment by NURSERATCHET
April 17th, 2008 at 11:10 pm

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/04/17/what-does-this-mean/comment-page-4/#comments

IF YOU ALL REMEMBER, BARACK OBAMA BRAGGED THAT “HE WAS A PRODUCT OF CHICAGO POLITICS”! NOW HE WILL PROBABLY HAVE 7 DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF WHAT THAT MEANS BUT i KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO ME AND TO MANY OTHERS! HIS SUPPORTERS ARE THREATENING, ABUSIVE, RADICAL AND I WOULD PUT NOTHING PAST THEM, EVEN MURDER.

THERE ARE ALREADY RUMORS IN THE SOUTH SIDE OF CHICAGO ABOUT THE HIT PUT ON DONALD YOUNG, THE GAY CHOIR DIRECTOR AT TRINITY UNITED CHURCH OF CHRIST. THIS IS SURREAL! IS THIS STILL THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA OR HAVE WE BEEN TAKEN OVER BY SOME SINISTER FACTION? PEOPLE BETTER DARN WELL WAKE UP!!



Obama gay sex rumors, down low, Chicago gay community, Chicago restaurant, Larry Sinclair
April 18, 2008

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/04/18/obama-gay-sex-rumors-down-low-chicago-gay-community-chicago-restaurant-larry-sinclair/

EXCERPT

It is a fact that Barack Obama has used drugs. It is also a fact that Obama had associates such as Stuart Levine that were regular drug users with other men. It is also a fact that 2 gay men in Obama’s church, Donald Young and Larry Bland, were murdered late in 2007. Donald Young was the choir director.

Larry Sinclair has alleged that he and Obama had multiple encounters in Chicago between November 3 and November 8 1999. Sinclair alleged the first encounter was in a rented limousine where they used drugs and had gay sex. It is also documented that Obama was absent from the Illinois Senate on November 4, 1999. Is Obama on the down low?

Poster Delenn, has posted on multiple occasions on Larry Sinclair’s blog. She claims to be a former chef and owner of an upscale restaurant in Chicago. She further claims to have heard repeated rumors in the gay community in Chicago that Obama is gay.

[sisterrosetta]

4/11/2008 - Webster Tarpley

http://www.radio4all.net/pub/files/usa2020%40operamail.com/1848-1-20080408-wcr_wt_0405081_77m31s.mp3


EXCERPTS QUOTED AT:

http://grundoon.livejournal.com/14540.html

(IT’S HARD TO TELL WHICH SOURCE CITED WHERE, PERHAPS YOU CAN DECIPHER.)

"Donald Young was the choirmaster of the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. He was allegedly a gay person. He was found dead of multiple gunshot wounds, in his apartment on December 24th, 2007."

"Larry Sinclair took a lie detector test, which he failed, (sisterrosetta here: not true, Larry did not fail. As one poster has put it, he was sandbagged. I’ll post source(s) if anyone requests.)
related to his allegation that in 1999, he sold Barack crack cocaine, and had a gay relationship with him. In his blog, Sinclair says he did not know who Donald Young was, until Young phoned Sinclair. That call took place before Sinclair sued Obama and his campaign, in Colorado State Court, for intimidation and harassment. What did Young have to say to Sinclair? Why was Young killed?"

"In all of the video of the inside of that Church, discussion of the Liberation theology therein, endless coverage of the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Otis Moss III (Ford Foundation beneficiary) and even some of the parishioners, we are not reminded by mainstream media, that the Choirmaster Was Found Dead on Christmas day, Four Months Ago."

"If a person wants to use crack cocaine, or is bi-sexual, that is their biznis. If they want to become President, and have Exclusive Access to the Nuclear Buttons, one would think that the Amnerican media would require complete transparency of that person (and their campaign's) past actions!"

"Nancy Grace (CNN) and Greta van Susterand (FAUX news) purport to deal with important crime stories. While I am not endorsing these sources, these people might be more willing to call attention to this story than MSNBC, CBS, etc., if they are pushed."

"Bill Ayers is a past member of the Weathermen, who published a memoir and was subsequently interviewed on September 11th, 2001. He is a current protégé of Obama's. They were together in the Woods Fund, a Ford Foundation subsidiary. While in the Weathermen, Ayers says that he and his colleagues "declared war on monogamy". Ayers says he went thru a bi-sexual phase."

Whatever Spitzer, Obama, Larry Craig, etc. want to do in the private realm is their biznis. However: my experience indicates that crack users, are the last people who should have access to the nuclear launch codes. "I believe if a person wants to be President, the Amnerican people should demand complete transparency of their, and their campaign's actions."

"Obama the Manchurian candidate, with Mia Brzezinski handling the propaganda, and Trilateral / CFR Zbigniew Brzezinski handling the foreign policy."

"McCain has Ian Brzezinski writing his speeches.

McCain is potentially our bridge to the fourteenth Century (the 100 Years war!)"

(sisterrosetta here: I believe both Senators Clinton and McCain would govern similarly. But I strongly believe this is the year of the Democrat, IF Senator Clinton is the nominee.)

"Mrs. Clinton has finally come out with a Rooseveltian New Deal suggestion: significant help for victims of the sub prime mortgage crisis.

Aren't you afraid of a Clinton dynasty? I'm more afraid of a Brzezinski dynasty"

[sisterrosetta]

CHUECADILLY CIRCUS
El disputado voto de Mr. Pink
Por Luis Margol

http://findesemana.libertaddigital.com/articulo.php/1276234530

La cosa comenzó a torcerse cuando, poco después, nos enteramos de que Donald Young, el director mariquita del coro de la iglesia de Obama, la del polémico Jeremías Wright, apareció asesinado en extrañas circunstancias el día de Nochebuena. Más que una parroquia, aquello parece la Casa de los Horrores. Antes de eso, el dicharachero Barack había tenido que aguantar severas críticas por la inclusión en su gira electoral de un cantante de Gospel dedicado a curar la maldición homosexual. Desde entonces, el presidenciable ha rehuido a la prensa gay como si de la peste negra se tratase (no me extraña).

POOR TRANSLATION

The twisted thing started when, shortly thereafter, we learned that Donald Young, the director of the ladybird choir of the Church of Obama, the controversial Jeremiah Wright, was found murdered in strange circumstances on Christmas Eve. Más que una parroquia, aquello parece la Casa de los Horrores. More than a parish, what seems the House of horrors. Antes de eso, el dicharachero Barack había tenido que aguantar severas críticas por la inclusión en su gira electoral de un cantante de Gospel dedicado a curar la maldición homosexual. Before that, dicharachero Barack had to endure harsh criticism for the inclusion in its election tour of a Gospel singer dedicated to cure the curse homosexual. Desde entonces, el presidenciable ha rehuido a la prensa gay como si de la peste negra se tratase (no me extraña). Since then, presidenciable has shied away from the gay press as if it were the black plague (no wonder).


SEE ALSO

Why Doesn't Obama's Homophobia Matter?

http://mrssatan.blogspot.com/2008/04/why-doesnt-obamas-homophobia-matter.html

[sisterrosetta]

MCcain is going to do ' fiestá with Barack in the elections

http://foro.univision.com/univision/board/message?board.id=democratas&message.id=15534&page=1

karick

04-13-2008 01:05 AM

Hey justice 91,

Porqué será que lo del senador Barack al decir tantas mentiras es ya un mal 'patológico', que conste siento que la raíz de la palabra, proceda de 'pato'; a propósito el negrito(Donald Young)del coro de la Iglesia donde supuestamente asiste Barack fue asesinado, y no lo mataron por ser ''un benbóm'' sino y que por ser 'gay' y saber mucho sobre el senador Barack, si pero ya lo mataron, no se le puede interrogar, caramba senador sálgase del clóset, si total, se une al club de políticos que los han sacado a empujones, MCcain va a hacer 'fiesta' con Barack en las elecciones, digo si sale nominado, que nunca se sabe.

TRANSLATION?

Porqué will be that the one of Barack senator when saying so many lies is already badly ' patológicó, that consists I feel that the root of the word, comes from ' pató; to intention negrito(Donald Young)del choir of the Church where supposedly it attends Barack was assassinated, and they did not kill it being ' ' benbóm' ' but and that being ' gay' and to know on Barack senator, if but already they killed it, cannot much be interrogated to him, caramba senator sálgase of clóset, if total, is united to the club of politicians who has removed them to pushes, MCcain is going to do ' fiestá with Barack in the elections, I say if it leaves name, that never is known.


Te dejo estas contradicciones que manifiestan claramente como le gusta mentir al senador, aunque ya las expuse en otro post aquí en el foro, pero como google quien ha endorsado a Barack, no puede ocultar en los search results la inundación de resultados para Obama Barack ''a liar'', te la dejo ahí, y no te molestes en decir que si la senadora Clinton ha mentido más que el senador Barack, ese es cuento viejo,'que si es lesbiana',ya se defendió de esa también, lo de Obama es para que se afile y se ajuste la correa, quiere la nominación que se prepare para todo lo que le van a tirar, ya la senadora Rodham está como dicen 'curá de espanto'!

TRANSLATION?

I leave these contradictions you that show clearly as it likes to lie to the senator, although or I exposed in another one post here in the forum, but like google that it has endorsed to Barack, it cannot hide in search results the flood of results for Obama Barack ' ' liar'', you I leave it there, and you do not bother yourself in saying that if Clinton senator has lain more than Barack senator, that is old story, 'que if he is lesbianá, or it were also defended of that, the one of Obama is so that it sharpens and the strap adjusts, wants the nomination that is prepared for everything what to him they go Rodham senator already is as they say ' will curá of frightened!

[sisterrosetta]

A Video, that everyone needs to watch...

http://eyeblast.tv/Public/Video.aspx?rsrcID=2036

Posted: April 08, 2008
Posted By: Illuminati Pictures


Lorne Baxter explores the life of Barack ******* Obama, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright connection and the theology behind it all. Produced by Illuminati Pictures (www.illuminati.tv), music by Dust Brothers.

[sisterrosetta]

Yesterday in Puerto Rico

http://boards.hbo.com/topic/Maher-Overtime/Overtime-41108/1900005192&start=540

Apr 11, 2008 3:02 PM

DavidMontalvo64

Yesterday in Puerto Rico, a bombshell fell on Barack Obama?s hopes to at least win a small percentage of primary votes in said jurisdiction (he was only receiving 20% of support in the polls). This ?bomb? goes by the name of Larry Sinclair and his allegations of homosexuality and cocaine use against Barack ******* Obama, which happened to go ?prime time? yesterday throughout the Island.

For those of you who do not know the story, Larry Sinclair is a gay man who claims that ?when Barack Obama was a member of the Illinois Senate he met twice with Larry Sinclair in November 1999 in Chicago, obtained cocaine for the both of them and consumed it (crack cocaine smoked through a glass pipe in the Senator?s case). On both occasions they also participated in consensual sexual acts with each other.?

After his allegations became known through his Youtube video (WATCH HERE), a website (WhiteHouse.com) offered Larry Sinclair money in exchange for his taking of a polygraph test on their site. On the site, they constantly assured the public that they were going to video-record the proceedings and post it on their website, all in hopes of giving full disclosure of the results.

As many of you may remember, this supposed video was never posted/published (never has) and, running late on their own schedule, decided to ONLY post a brief description of the ?analysis? of the results (supposedly provided by two independent researchers which claimed that he had failed it). Obviously, since the video of the process was never presented to their readers, it automatically opened speculations and accusations from Sinclair himself (and many in the public) that these individuals were probably ?paid off? by David Axelrod and the Obama campaign.

To prove this point, Sinclair has posted multiple copies of the checks, letters and other documentation with which he claims to demonstrate the contention that he actually passed the test, but was later betrayed by the site with the publishing of the incorrect analysis of his results. Nonetheless, Larry Sinclair continued his quest to expose Obama for what he describes as ?his lies and drug addiction?, and continuously attempted to get his allegations heard.


Day by day, this story approaches critical mass, and we can slowly start getting ready to prepare for the diverse names that may begin to be utilized to describe it; GAY GATE, CRACK GATE, SINCLAIR GATE, LIMO GATE, et al. Irrespective of the veracity or integrity of this story, it is nonetheless true that these allegations will eventually come to fruition among the corporate press (maybe closer to November),

and it is now only left to the Mainstream Media and/or the Obama campaign to deflect it as best they can and see if they can survive it. Apparently, Donald Young and Larry Sinclair have just become household names in Puerto Rico, it will be only a matter of time until they become part of the American lingo as well.


Check the web sites:


http://savagepolitics.com/?p=249

http://savagepolitics.com/?p=279

http://savagepolitics.com/?p=274

[SweetBecca]

i find it sad the reward offered for information leading to an arrest is a mere $1,000. am i out of touch? has the amount been increased?

Donald was the beloved choir director at the Trinity United Church of Christ....the same church that has issued a $10 million line of credit on the new home of their retired Reverend Jeremiah Wright.

my heart goes out to Donald's family and friends.

i posted that on Friday to this site and numerous others, including the Ophra Winfrey site where i added the line: "Oprah, you were once a member of this church. Perhaps you were blessed, encouraged and/or inspired by his music? You are well-known for your kind spirit and generosity…." it appeared on her message board and then Oprah's people promptly removed it. WHY?

when i submitted it to: http://chgocutie.blogspot.com/2007/12/donald-young-tucc-sanctuary-choir.html i checked the box to receive 'follow-up posts'. apparently it was never approved but i know they received it because today i got an email of a follow-up post on that blog. odd!

what is happening?

[sisterrosetta]

"what is happening?"

What drew me to Larry's story was the gay sex and crack cocaine allegations. But what kept me there was the mystery surrounding Donald's death.

SweetBecca, I think Donald is whisphering in your ear. He whispers in mine.

[sisterrosetta]

Thursday, March 13, 2008
Outbreak of Foot-In-Mouth Disease at Obama's Church


http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2008/03/outbreak-of-foot-in-mouth-disease-at.html

EXCERPTS

“The "National Enquirer" may be the scrapings at the bottom of the journalistic barrel, but at least they are kicking ass and taking names. A couple of names they bring up in the March 17 issue are William "Bombin' Bill" Ayers and his lovely wife Bernadine, nee Dohrn.”

“Another name mentioned is Obama's friend the late Donald Young. Young, who was choirmaster of the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, is now the "late" having been found shot to death last December. The murder case is still open. The Enquirer claims that "a top Chicago private investigator" (they said it, I didn't) believes that Young, described as openly gay, "was silenced because of something he knew about Barack Obama."”

[sisterrosetta]

Larry Sinclair, Anderson Cooper, AC360, CNN, citizenwells, Obama campaign, conspiracy?, allegations
April 17, 2008


http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/04/17/larry-sinclair-anderson-cooper-ac360-cnn-citizenwells-obama-campaign-conspiracy-allegations/

EXCERPT

The real Obama?
Well, a lot of us are searching for the real Obama.
It has been made more difficult due to Obama not complying
with Illinois FOIA and records access laws and by his evasive
reponses.

What we know about Obama is scary enough.
Anyone with doubts should follow the Tony Rezko trial
and check out the Oprah site for her show in April
2004 about down low.

Citizen Wells

larrysinclair0926 April 15th, 2008 6:42 pm ET

There is another REAL Obama but AC 360 is scared to report it. Just ask Larry Sinclair
citizenwells April 15th, 2008 6:47 pm ET

I have been researching Obama extensively and have written
quite a few articles about him.

I was initially a huge skeptic of Larry Sinclair. The more
I researched Obama and the more Larry was attacked personally
and the more I was attacked for asking simple questions, the
more believable Larry’s allegations are.

Obama is hiding something.

Look for some big news to break soon.

[Juliehillarysupporte]

I think indeed that something will happen soon. Possibly this week :D At least that's what the tea leaves tell me...so to speak.

Man I hope so because the truth needs to come out once and for all before this country is doomed to an Obama presidency

[sisterrosetta]

Obama’s Elitism, Careerism Now Campaign Issues

April 12, 2008 - by Rick Moran

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obamas-elitism-careerism-now-campaign-issues/

Obama's elitist remarks to a group of rich donors is only part of the disconnect between a man who inspires millions on the stump and the coldly calculating careerist whose ambition has led him to the brink of success.

P NEAL:

Not only is Obama’s arrogance and condescension slowly dripping out of his pores, his entire camdidacy based on Change and Hope is about to implode with the imminent advant of the Larry Sinclair allegations of cocaine use and gay sex in 1999 and perhaps an unsavoury connection to the Donald Young murder.

Apr 12, 2008 - 1:13 pm

[sisterrosetta]

Larry Sinclair Affidavit, Donald Young, Obama, Chicago Police Department, breaking news
April 24, 2008


http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/larry-sinclair-affidavit-donald-young-obama-chicago-police-department-breaking-news/

EXCERPT

I just heard from Larry Sinclair. Sinclair has confirmation of receipt and Sinclair’s attorney, Mr. Sibley, has been contacted by a Chicago Police detective requesting that Sinclair or Sibley speak to him. Larry Sinclair alleges a drug and gay sex ecounter with Obama in November 1999 and also alleges that Donald Young contacted him shortly before he was murdered.

[sisterrosetta]

Obama, Wright, Chicago Police Affadavit, Larry Sinclair, allegations, Donald Young murder
April 25, 2008


http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/04/25/obama-wright-chicago-police-affadavit-larry-sinclair-allegations-donald-young-murder/

EXCERPT

Larry Sinclair has posted a new blog entry about his Chicago Police affadavit regarding the murder of Donald Young. Sinclair comfirms that a Chicago Police detective wants to speak to him about the death of Donald Young, the gay former choir director at Obama’s church. Sinclair mentions that Obama and Jeremiah Wright may have trouble sleeping. Why does Sinclair mention that Wright may have trouble sleeping? I am following up on this and hope to get a clarification soon.

[Charlie Brown]

Here's my theory: Obama is a self-hating homosexual. He can't abandon the "pastor" who helped him "recover" from his homosexuality because he probably needs to hear that homophobe preaching to keep his inauthentic self in check. In that way, he can continue to masquerade on the political stage and garner votes under false pretenses.

His latent homosexuality, which he'd like to keep that way for political reasons, leads him to homophobes like Wright and like that "cured" formerly gay man who threw him the fundraiser!

As with McGreevey, who was guilted by his Catholic faith into masking his own truth, the truth will eventually be outed!

Prediction: Obama will drop out of the race in late May.

WOW!!! YOU HAVE BEEN BUSY jULIANNE..lol! I HOPE YOUR RIGHT. i JUST WANT BO TO GO AWAY...IM SO TIRED OF THIS........

[sisterrosetta]

An Open Letter to Mr. Eugene Robinson of the Post
by bettym47 on Fri 25 Apr 2008 11:12 AM EDT


http://www.elections2008online.com/blog/_archives/2008/4/25/3659506.html

EXCERPTS

“In your opinion piece this morning you said, “Fighting hard for the nomination is understandable, but fighting in such a way as to give the presidency to McCain is unforgivable.”

True. So tell Obama to drop out of the race. Let’s remember six months ago the Democrats were united behind Hillary who was a sure bet for the White House, and then Obama rushed in, and no one told him to jump out for the good of the party.”

“What if the allegations by Larry Sinclair turn out to be even half true? A judge in a trial has asked for discovery, but you won’t even report on it. Is that what people died for… To try to tamp down the justice system? An innocent gay man, Donald Young, died in Chicago who just happened to be associated with Obama’s church, who just happened to possibly be in contact with Larry Sinclair. Isn’t that newsworthy? Isn’t it ironic that most of Obama’s supporters are voting for him because of his race?

Are you being an objective reporter or are you just overlooking many of the things Dr. King stood for in your mindless support for Obama? I ask you to think about it. Look at yourself as many see you now. You’ve lost your objectivity.”

CHICAGO PD REQUEST: IS OBAMA & REV. WRIGHT HAVING TROUBLE SLEEPING?

25-APR-2008
http://0daynews.org/archives/2008/apr/25-apr-08.html#1

“I can now confirm that the Detective (I will not identify for obvious reasons), is from the Chicago Police Department's Homicide Division, Division 2. I can further confirm that the Detective did state the Department would like to speak with me concerning the information in the affidavit in regards to the murder of Donald Young.”

[sisterrosetta]

Does Senator Clinton have a good chance of grabbing the nomination away from Senator Obama?

http://nz.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080424184744AAPGYlQ

POLITCIAN writes:

I believe it is the beginning of the end for Obama. He has deluded a whole lot of people for a long time, but I think his free ride is coming to an end . This guy is a rookie on the national political stage and still needs some serious vetting, and I believe a lot more damaging stuff will be coming out about him in the next days and weeks. For example, even though you might not even know about this story, it appears that Larry Sinclair's allegations of gay sex and cocaine use with Obama in Chicago in 1999 is probably true.

Also, Donald Young, the gay choir master at Trinity United Church of Christ who was murdered in December of 2007, well guess what? He tried to call Sinclair several times before his death, and Sinclair does not know how he got his number. The Chicago police are looking into the matter right now, and have contacted Sinclair about what he may or may not know. This is in no way implying that Obama had anything to do with Young's murder, but it does speak to connections between Obama, Sinclair, and Young that previously have never been known or admitted to.

So things are getting very interesting just in this one area, which the news media, perhaps rightly so up to this point, have not been willing to touch with a ten foot pole. But as this story and the investigation progresses, who knows what will emerge, and how much or to what extent it may implicate Obama.

[sisterrosetta]

Donald Young investigation, Larry Sinclair affadavit, Chicago Police detective, interview, attorney Sibley

April 26, 2008

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/04/26/donald-young-investigation-larry-sinclair-affadavit-chicago-police-detective-interview-attorney-sibley/

EXCERPT

Here is an exerpt from Larry Sinclair’s Blog:

“1. Chicago Police Detective investigating the Donald Young murder has made it clear to Montgomery B. Sibley, Esq. that I am not in any way the subject of their investigation, but that they are investigating an unsolved murder and they would like to speak with me concerning the information I provided in my affidavit. That they would in fact , like to know if any of the information on the communication’s between Mr. Young and myself might indeed assist them in solving this crime.

2. I have agreed to meet with this Chicago Police Detective and Mr. Sibley and the CPD will work together to set a time and date for this interview. As it stands right right now, this meeting will most likely take place within the next 10 to 14 days.

[Kbentleyis]

Say, while we're talking about this church, is it really a church? Doesn't an establishment that instills political views and group political movements lose it's tax nonprofit title? Seems to me, the IRS and Illinois state department should look at this church as a new financial source.

Kathy, NW Indiana

[Mrsawd]

I fully believe that if Obama is suspected of any part of these murders then he should not be allowed to be running that this is why the Larry Sinclair is being hushed up and that that this is an issue that needs to be investigated by the goverment ! But I also feel that obama and his backers are spending enough money that our goverment wants this money that they are coming up with ! I believe that they want this money because they know we need it !

In the mean time they have some one evidently is keeping the Chigaco
Police department hushed up !

This is really ridiculous !
Do we all need to figure out what it takes to get some one impeached before they ever get to be President so he can be impeached before he gets sworn in ! If they continue to keep buying off this election like it seems they are doing !

[sisterrosetta]

Rev. Wright: I Ask You To Do What Jesus Would Do!
Posted on Thursday, May 1, 2008.

http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/2008/05/01/rev-wright-i-ask-you-to-do-what-jesus-would-do/

[sisterrosetta]

Obama, Wright, Lawrence Lessig, Larry Sinclair, Obama gay, down low, Jesus video, attention NC voters, primary voters
April 30, 2008


http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/

What is more disturbing to me is a video he produced and presented at a conference that mocks Jesus and portrays Jesus as Gay. Here is a link to view the videos:

YouTube - Lessig Jesus Video

YouTube - Lawrence Lessig

[sisterrosetta]

http://journals.aol.com/ishdav11/new-news./entries/2008/05/01/untitled/3016

Sinclair Obama Sex/Drug Allegations
5th Rense-Sinclair Interview
Chicago PD And The Young Murder
Listen Free - MP3

http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_L_Sinclair_042808.mp3

See also:

http://www.rense.com/Datapages/sinclairdat.htm

[sisterrosetta]

SHE’S A BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE, TOO


Melanie - Beautiful People (great late 60's clip)

YouTube - Melanie - Beautiful People (great late 60's clip)

[Donald]

Does everyone here know about this? From October 2007:Obama, the Gospel Singer and Gays
by Mike Dorning, and updated

A Gospel concert tour that the Barack Obama campaign has organized for this weekend is stirring controversy among some gay activists.


Grammy Award-winning gospel artist Donnie McClurkin, who has offended gay rights groups by promoting the view that homosexuality is a choice and that gays can be "cured," is among several gospel singers scheduled to campaign on behalf of Obama in South Carolina. McClurkin is one of the singers featured in the tour's finale on Sunday.



The rest of the article can be found here (http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/10
/obama_the_gospel_singer_and_ga.html).


This is the first I have heard about the murder of this man.
I find it appalling.

I do have first hand experiance with the SC event that featured Donnie McClurkin. As a co-coordinator of SC Pride, we protested this event when it happened in SC. However, as soon as Oprah came to town, many in my group( not all) flocked to worship Obama and forgot about this man.

Obama was trying to court the gay vote in SC, and in conferance calls refused to remove this man from the event.

[Bad Kitty]

Where did I disappear off to? This is the first I am hearing of this. When did the news stop doing its job?

[Juliehillarysupporte]

What I want to know is why does the democratic party seem to want to lose this fall? Why do they want to push Obama through regardless of his hidden scandals left uninvestigated? Once a Larry Sinclair or the Donald Young connection (not to mention the money laundering with Blackwell) comes out on Republican attack adds, McCain will walk away with this. It doesn't matter what he says about the war, people will elect him rather than see Obama in office. This is the Republican ace in the hole.

WHY??? Can't the DNC see this? :confused:

I'm thinking....if Obama is the Nom, I'm going to have to become a Nader activist. A 3rd party maybe my only choice

[sisterrosetta]

CITIZEN WELLS KEEPS US ALL INFORMED

ONE
http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/05/03/larry-sinclair-chicago-police-meeting-donald-young-murder-4-phone-numbers-donald-young-contacted-sinclair-sinclairs-response/

Here is Sinclair’s clarifying comment:

“I thought I would answer a question I saw here on the CPD issue. I have provided the CPD Detective with four phone numbers to obtain records for. I will in fact meet in person with the Detective on a date convenient to him. But yes, I will meet with CPD.”

TWO
http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/05/03/zogby-obama-zogby-poll-james-john-and-joseph-arab-american-institute-israel-obama-good-friend-zogby-international-polls-rigged/

Citizen Wells cites:

http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2008/05/02/obama-zogby-palestine-polls/

Clearly there is a Zogby connection. Not only does James Zogby’s Arab American Institute support Obama’s campaign, both James and John Zogby have contributed to Obama’s campaign. James Zogby even wrote an article just days ago entitled, “Hillary can’t win Democratic nomination.” How ethical is it to contribute to a campaign monetarily but also to sway the opinions of millions of voters in favor of the candidate you openly support? Who happens to also be of Arab heritage.

THREE
http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/meet-the-press-may-4-2008-obama-tim-russert-obama-forum-msm-outrage-we-want-the-truth-about-obama/

The real question that any 6th grader could come up with is:

Mr. Obama, what action of any substance during your time in the senate or otherwise have you undertaken regarding solving the energy crisis?

Mr. Obama, Jeremiah Wright, is certainly controversial, but what about your strong ties to Lawrence Lessig and his repeated playing of the gay Jesus video at seminars?

Mr. Obama, what about the allegations made about you by Larry Sinclair regarding cocaine use and connections to Donald Young and his murder?

Mr. Obama, wasn’t your Illinois Senate campaign kicked off in the home of underground bomber Willaim Ayers?

Mr. Obama, what about your ties to Rezko and revelations coming out in his trial about crime and corruption in Chicago and Illinois?

Mr. Obama, what about charges of money laundering and undue influence regarding your $ 8,000 per month legal retainer from Robert Blackwell and Blackwell’s ties to Rezko and the Governor of Illinois, whose name comes up repeatedly in the Rezko trial?

The questions go on and on.

Sisterrosetta here: The truth will come out eventually. It always does.

I Walk Alone - Tarja Turunen

YouTube - I Walk Alone - Tarja Turunen

[sisterrosetta]

IS THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT DRAGGING ITS FEET IN THIS INVESTIGATION BECAUSE THE MURDER OF GAY MEN DOESN’T MERIT THEIR ATTENTION?

Donald Young contacted him prior to his murder -- Larry Bland, another gay member of Obama’s church was also murdered -- Nate Spencer, another gay member with ties, also was murdered

PLEASE SEE:

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/05/05/donald-young-murder-obama-larry-sinclair-allegations-chicago-police-murder-investigation-phone-numbers-citizenwells-poll-does-obama-have-knowledge-of-youngs-murder/

[Mrsawd]

I fully believe they are dragging thier feet !

The real questions are why !


Are they being intimidated is the first question that comes to my mind ?

And BY whom and How :eek:

[sisterrosetta]

Chicago Police Provided All Phone Numbers
Posted by larrysinclair0926 on Tuesday, May 6, 2008

http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/2008/05/06/chicago-police-provided-all-phone-numbers/

YT Video: PCLG, Paul Levy, DU.com Fan Club Post SS# After Being Called on It!
Posted by larrysinclair0926 on Tuesday, May 6, 2008

http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/2008/05/06/yt-video-pclg-paul-levy-ducom-fan-club-post-ss-after-being-called-on-it/

[sisterrosetta]

Clinton vs. Obama: The system in distress

“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it, and then misapplying the wrong remedies.” -Groucho Marx

http://sincityq.com/blog/?p=1326

And finally, on top of this mountain are the unanswered questions surrounding the allegations being forwarded by Larry Sinclair, who may have shared both illegal drugs and sex with the senator and presidential candidate from Illinois. More serious and far, far more troubling than even this, though, is the allegation that Mr. Obama may have been either directly or indirectly involved in the murder of a man named Donald Young in 2007.


Donovan - The Trip

YouTube - Donovan - The Trip

What goes on ? Chick-a-chick.
What goes on ? I really wanna know.
What goes on ? Yes please tell me.
What goes on ? I really wanna know

[Santiago]

Everybody, PLEASE, be careful! These are wild allegations, and if this gets out and is somehow connected to Hillary, trust me her campaign is dead in the water, It will be decried as the lowest kind of smear tactic, Obama will get a huge sympathy vote, and Wright will be forgotten. I advise strongly against disseminating this. It will totally beackfire. Frankly, if this IS linked to Hillary's campaign, that's where I jump off the bandwagon, as much as I love her and think she will/would be a wonderful President.

What are they going to do, steal the nomination from her? Cmon.

[sisterrosetta]

Barack Obama en escándalo de drogas

http://knoticia.blogspot.com/2008/05/barack-obama-en-escndalo-de-drogas.html


La Policía de Chicago Department, ha sido proporcionar a cada uno de los números de teléfono pertenecientes a mí durante los períodos de tiempo anteriores a Donald Young asesinato del primer contacto hecho por mí a la campaña de Barack Obama. Será hasta el Departamento de Policía de Chicago bajo la dirección de Jody Weis (arriba) para determinar si la persona en contacto conmigo fue Donald Young y si los números de contacto se vinieron de números asociados a Barack Obama. Sus Sin lugar a dudas en mi mente que Barack Obama y Donald Young estaban íntimamente implicados el uno con el otro.


Chicago Police Provided All Phone Numbers
Posted by larrysinclair0926 on Tuesday, May 6, 2008

http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/2008/05/06/chicago-police-provided-all-phone-numbers/

The Chicago Police Dep0artment has been provide every one of the phone numbers belonging to me during the time periods leading up to Donald Young’s murder from the first contact made by me to the Barack Obama campaign. It will be up to the Chicago Police Department under the guidance of Jody Weis (above) to determine if the person contacting me was Donald Young and if the numbers the contact came from were numbers associated with Barack Obama. Their is NO DOUBT in my mind that Barack Obama and Donald Young were intimately involved with one another.

[CGP]

Returning this "hot topic" to the main room.

[TeejDee]

Is Obama Caught up in Gay Murder Scandal?
Posted by larrysinclair0926 on Friday, May 9, 2008

Well recently I have been referred to by Alan Colmes of Fox News’ “Hannity & Colmes” as “Just One Guy.” The problem with this is that Donald Young WAS just one guy too! Mr. Colmes states, “I don’t know if he’s a nut,” yet Mr. Colmes has never yet asked me. Alan, if you want to know if I am a nut, pick up the phone, call, I will be more than happy to discuss this with you.



Colmes from "Hannity and Colmes" Foxnews was speaking on his radio show about Larry...Maybe its going to come out
soon....

http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/

[JMS825]

Even if this story dont fly now it has hit PR

[CGP]

Even if this story dont fly now it has hit PR

Exactly. Another reason the Obama campaign would rather things ended before Puerto Rico!

[Tom Terrific]

i read the poll story in the wall street journal, apparently an nbc poll, saying that hillary was at her lowest point, 37% after obama's speech. that was the headline, hillary is slipping away. at the very end, one sentence: nbc says it's pollsters oversampled the african americans in order to get a better read on the race speech.

It occurs to me that this kind of corruption in the media is a sign of their weakness.

[Annie]

Isn't there something on this in the Globe today? Starting to poke all the little secrets up through the layers of mud and debris covering the truth and facts on Obama and his compatriots...

[CGP]

Isn't there something on this in the Globe today? Starting to poke all the little secrets up through the layers of mud and debris covering the truth and facts on Obama and his compatriots...

Yes, see here:

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=10410

[lynfreedom]

Yes, I specifically did not include or give attention to Larry's Sinclair's views - the primary attention was/is to expose Trinity's anti-gay attitudes and their despicable response to this murder - basically blaming it on the victim - not because he was robbed or anything like that - but because he was gay!

Murray, you should send this to Hannity since Sunday he is doing a special on the new pastor and the church, as well as Michelle

[sisterrosetta]

Saturday, May 10, 2008
One-degree of separation: Obama's tabloid future

http://rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/05/one-degree-of-separation-obamas-tabloid.html

The unexplained December 2007 murder of Donald Young, a fourth grade teacher and the choir director at Trinity United Church of Christ, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.)'s church, has been the subject of speculation in an endless parade of blog postings. In its May 8, 2008, issue, the supermarket tabloid Globe picked up the mysterious tale. Whether or not there is one iota of truth to the gossip rag's version, stories like this will haunt an Obama White House.

http://caosblog.com/6820

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,318267,00.html


Latoya - Too Close For Comfort / Don't Rain on My Parade

YouTube - Latoya - Too Close For Comfort / Don't Rain on My Parade

[CGP]

Anyone honestly think the GOP would ignore this story if Obama was the nominee?

WAKE UP DEMOCRATS!

[sisterrosetta]

May 11, 2008

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/05/11/james-manning-obama-closet-homosexual-reverend-manning-calls-obama-wright-closet-homosexuals/

Citizen Wells:

Now a video has just surfaced in which the reverend James Manning calls both Obama and Jeremiah Wright, closet homosexuals.

Do Larry Sinclair’s allegations seem so far fetched now?

The Trinity of Hell

YouTube - The Trinity of Hell

[Tea toaD]

http://cbs2chicago.com/local/Donald.Young.Trinity.2.619036.html

[UpstateNYRN]

If this man was killed as a result of his being "gay" we all should be demanding answers. I would think this is something that the media would immediately be jumping on. I think much of the media who want Obama to win (left) are afraid to address this because it will de-rail him, and the media (right) who want Obama to win because they know he is the weaker candidate, want to SAVE this for the General Election. We should find a way to bring it out in the open NOW!

[Optixmom]

The media services director of the church where Donald Young taught and led the choir, said, "Young did live an openly gay lifestyle; that was his choice."

WTF kind of comment is that? It is kind of like that person is saying, "well if it was a hate crime because he was gay, he drew attention to himself because of his openly gay lifestyle. That was his choice..." Great media services director they got there at Trinity. Seems like a dysfunctional Church on all fronts...

[Bad Kitty]

So can people live openly, straight lifestyles? So not only did the church promote racism but it also promoted homophobia? Oh my..

[RachachaSharon]

WTF kind of comment is that? It is kind of like that person is saying, "well if it was a hate crime because he was gay, he drew attention to himself because of his openly gay lifestyle. That was his choice..." Great media services director they got there at Trinity. Seems like a dysfunctional Church on all fronts...

That's like saying he was asking for it. Remind me never to set foot in a church like that one.

[EngCindy]

I couldn't make the first link work:

http://cbs2chicago.com/local/Donald.Young.Trinity.2.619036.html

[sisterrosetta]

May 12, 2008

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/05/12/jeff-rense-show-reverend-manning-obama-closet-homosexual-wright-closet-homosexual-james-manning-interview/

The Reverend James Manning will be interviewed on the Jeff Rense show tonight. Reverend Manning has a new video and states that Barack Obama and Jeremiah Wright are closet homosexuals. Manning also has a few things to say about Oprah.

The Jeff Rense show can be found here:

http://rense.com/

Beethoven, Symphony No 7, II - Karajan, Berliner Phil

YouTube - Beethoven, Symphony No 7, II - Karajan, Berliner Phil

[sisterrosetta]

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/reverend-manning-interview-jeff-rense-show-obama-closet-homosexual-wright-closet-homosexual-solid-evidence-agrees-to-joint-press-conference/


Larry Sinclair & 3 murdered gay congregants of Obama’s Trinity Church…what’s going on? Inquiring Heels Wanna Know!

http://hireheels.com/blog/2008/05/12/holy-gay-choir-boy/

[Mrsawd]

Larry Has also posted a new video on you tube that he will not commit suicide that he and his family are doing this because of what happened too the madam

[sisterrosetta]

Tuesday, May 13, 2008
CHINATOWN, USA

http://gsr-twn.blogspot.com/2008/05/chinatown-usa.html

EXCERPTS

“I-79 ends down in Charleston, West Virginia, where the stupid white people are expected to reject the media's closet homogaysexual who was involved with murdered choirboy Donald Young.”

“If Larry Sinclair had the same stuff on a real Republican, Dan Rather himself would have been knocking on his door up in Duluth, Minn with a crew from 60 MINUTES. Followed up by a new quickie docudrama co-production by Michael Moore and Oliver Stone.”

“There would be interviews of the AA pilot who saw Obama in a deep lock kiss with one of his closest male aids. The Chicago restaurant owner, where Obama got it on with the boys in the bathroom, would be hounded by reporters. His old college lovers would be all over the left-wing blogs.”

LATEST AT LARRY’S BLOG

http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/2008/05/14/obama-endorsed-by-crack-addict-offer-compare-kisses-with-obama-assistant/

WOULD NICK COLVIN BE THE ASSISTANT LOCKING LIPS WITH BARACK OBAMA ON THE PLANE?

Someone has mentioned a ”private pilot” witnessing Obama kissing his male assistant/aid. Hey Nick, are you still in love?

Nick Colvin, Personal Assistant to Barack Obama, ”He’s just Barack to me,” Colvin said. Question for Nick, do you want to compare notes on Baracks kisses?

May 14, 2008...4:22 pm

NEWSPAPER: Obama defeats Clinton

http://obambi.wordpress.com/2008/05/14/newspaper-obama-defeats-clinton/


Kisses Sweeter Than Wine - Andy Williams, PP&M

YouTube - Kisses Sweeter Than Wine - Andy Williams, PP&M

[Bad Kitty]

3 murders? What kind of church is that?

[Bonju]

by the Republican party.

Has anyone asked themselves WHY KARL ROVE LEFT THE BUSH WHITE HOUSE 1 YEAR AGO and lame duck Prez Bush allowed him to? I heard the Rove was busy FUNDRAISING. Fundraising for whom?

This is what I believe happened in the year that Rove has been "fundraising" - he is working for the Republican ticket by fundraising for Obama, an empty suit with a lot of ties to people involved in scams (that land deal and the questionable tactics about his "voting record" in the Senate (he has none). What little he has done as a Jr. Senator, which was zilch until buddies began putting his name out there and saying he initiated this bill and that. His wife, Michelle Obama who is now proud of America since they are coming out for her hubby and does she know she is married to a closed gay akin to the likes of Ex Gov McGreevy? The fact that Obama still smokes crack and smokes cannabis is a tip off to every former alkie/drug addict I know - "look at his eyes they tell me - he's still on the shit. We can tell by the way he walks and talks - the guy is still an addict." Well I don't know about that but he sure is suspecious - like THE MANTURIAN CANDIDATE in real life - The Repukes build him up only to tear him down later - make the Dems look like morons, which most of us are since the surge in popularity for Obama has taken a new dimension in weirdness.

Why if Hillary is winning the Popular Vote and all the primary states have not been counted yet, and Michigan and Flroida still have to be recounted should Hillary be forced out of the race? Who is most afraid of her - is it the DNC and President Howard Dean who hasn't lifted a finger to help her whenever Obama and his people and supporters label her a racist?

Today, you can't utter Barack Hussain Obama's name and say you are not voting for him b/c everyone listening assumes automatically you are a racist. I am so tired of defending my position on THE FREAKIN FACTS that I just tell them - I am Gay, a woman and will never vote for freaks like McCain or Obama who will drive America into the ground and kill what's left of us in the next 4 years.

I have lost some very good friends over this race who think my making fun of Obama - calling him OSMANABAMA was racist and wrong. I told them to mind their own business and I am entitled to my own opinion - no one listened to me just like they never read - they listen to the media and like lemmings to the slaughter they follow.

It's getting so I really am sad and disgusted to be an American. I want a president I can trust, with experience who does look at anyone's gender or color or creed to decide that they deserve help as an American.

Hillary for President - may McCain and Obama go back under the Republican rocks they have slithered out from.

[Arctic907]

I don't know all the finer points of www.archive.org, but it might be a way to get older info. It seems one needs a URL to use it but maybe there is another way. Just for grins I entered www.tucc.org and lots of archives there. I think I'll go through the stuff and save any pages of interest to my hard drive.

[seeker]

Does everyone here know about this? From October 2007:



The rest of the article can be found here (http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/10/obama_the_gospel_singer_and_ga.html).

Thanks for the link. Btw, I love your sig. (I ordered one of those free BO bumper stickers so I could change it to exactly what you have there, lol) My car will get keyed, I'll wager!

[ivotedforhillary]

Look up Barack Obama and Donald Young on the Internet, Scary.