View Full Version : RESULTS: Delegate Scorecard - Clinton v Obama
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#D
To win, Clinton or Obama needs 2025 delegates
Overall total includes combination of pledged delegates (from public voting) and super delegates (party officials).
TOgirl
02-10-2008, 12:45 AM
It's good that Hillary is still leading... unfortunately this month will not be such a great month for delegates :S
Yeah I know what you mean. She really needs to have big wins in Texas, Ohio and Penn. I am sure her campaign team will be heavingly targeting these states - these states now are HUGE for her.
CNN's scoredcard as at Feb 10, 2008
HILLARY (1108):
pledged delegates: 885
superdelegates: 223
OBAMA (1049)
pledged delegates: 918
superdelegates: 131
dandanna
02-10-2008, 02:14 PM
We HAVE to win Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania. It would be great to win Maine as well, but he seems to have a lock on the caucus states. Who here lives in a caucus state? Can you give me some insight about why he seems to do se well in caucuses?
We HAVE to win Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania. It would be great to win Maine as well, but he seems to have a lock on the caucus states. Who here lives in a caucus state? Can you give me some insight about why he seems to do se well in caucuses?
I was discussing this with a friend the other day. We shared how we both knew of people who were "closet" Hillary fans who would never feel comfortable publicly declaring their support of Hillary - as is required in a caucus. There has been so much support for Obama, especially from the glamor and glitz community, that he has become the "trendy" candidate. When it comes to the normal primaries, where people can vote in private, the "closet" Hillary fans can vote without being chastized - they don't have such privacy in a caucus. It's no surprise that Hillary has done significantly better in the standard primaries given this fact.
joeysky18
02-11-2008, 01:12 PM
Most people don't know. but half of texas will vote by caucus not primary. And Obama already launch his attack in texas. He will be open 10 new office in these location. his plan is if he can squeeze a serious number of delegate from TX caucus, he has a good chance to have a lead on delegate.
If Hillary can't defend TX, her position will be in serious trouble.
My friends had a very bad experience during the caucus in several district in WA. Obama camp sent one to them pretending to be a Clinton supporter to join Clinton supporter. Then during the caucusing, these people jumped back to Obama camp make it as if they were able to drawn voter away from Clinton. It had huge psychological impact on the undecided voters. Also the jeer, boo, and bully when Clinton supporters spoke made it looks like a high school locker room. The intimidation and peer pressure was not pleasant and shouldn't be that way when you cast your vote.
We need to gear up our attack/defend on Texas ground. If you know someone in Texas, please pass on the words. Please also let me know if I can be of any help in Texas. Our group is trying to contact the local office in TX, a few friends want to go there and help with the volunteer.
Joey - I share your concerns. The caucus process seems very undemocratic in my view. People are vulnerable to group pressure and influence, thereby potentially leading them to vote differently from their core choice. If Obama's more obsessed fans are as overbearing as some of those I have noticed "online", I can only imagine what Hillary supporters endure at these caucuses. And then of course there are the reports that Rebuplican voters have participated in caucuses (in states which allow this) solely to conspire against Hillary. It's disgraceful. Even Hillary today stated that the caucus format is not a very fair way to guage opinion and that anonymous/private ballot voting is the most fair way. I agree.
Paine_Incarnate
02-11-2008, 07:11 PM
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#D
To win, Clinton or Obama needs 2165 delegates.
wait, i thought the Dems only needed 2025 delegates?
scorecard so far:
Hillary Clinton
Pledged: 924
Superdelegates: 224
Total: 1,148
Barack Obama
Pledged: 986
Superdelegates: 135
Total: 1,121
wait, i thought the Dems only needed 2025 delegates?
You are indeed correct! Thanks for pointing that out. Will fix it.
BloodDAnna
02-11-2008, 10:27 PM
I participated in Washington states caucus Saturday and was elected as a Hillary delegate for my precinct....YEAH ME. Only 28 people from my precinct showed up and we counted for 7 delegates. The people around me were discussing why they wanted Obama and one said "I was undecided until I watched the news this morning and they were saying better things about him then Hillary". WOW thats how I want to pick the future president, by what the media says about them. Now I'm really going to work on educating people.
Ya wanna hear shady? When the spouse signed himself in he forgot to put his candidates name in the right hand field so before it started they were making sure everyone had time to make their candidate known. He knew he forgot to fill in the blank so he went up to the guy calling out names and low and behold somebody had written Obama in for him. Of course I have no idea who did it so I couldn't accuse anyone but I'm glad he was able to correct his candidate.
Some of the people I spoke with said they felt intimated when they walked in and the place was covered in Obama signs. One gal said it was if it were pointless to be there because it looked like it had already been decided. An elderly lady spoke up and asked "Why is there nothing about Hillary here" and the guy running the show says "Well, because her people didn't send any". Now what would that say to you if you were from a small town? I have no idea where one gets promotional products for her except to purchase them from HillaryStore.com....anyone know? I'd be happy to pass them out if I knew who to get them from.
The main reason I feel there was such an awful turn out for Hillary is that our Primary ballots came out last week and so many people assumed that they had already voted by mail that there was no need to go to the caucus. The way I understand it our primary ballots only count from the people who participated in the caucus so our state spent something like 9 million on paper and postage for something that doesn't count.
Anyway, thanks for letting me rant a little.
joeysky18
02-11-2008, 11:43 PM
those paper ballot in WA then?
BloodDAnna
02-11-2008, 11:57 PM
those paper ballot in WA then?
Paper ballots by mail.
I participated in Washington states caucus Saturday and was elected as a Hillary delegate for my precinct....YEAH ME. Only 28 people from my precinct showed up and we counted for 7 delegates. The people around me were discussing why they wanted Obama and one said "I was undecided until I watched the news this morning and they were saying better things about him then Hillary". WOW thats how I want to pick the future president, by what the media says about them. Now I'm really going to work on educating people.
Ya wanna hear shady? When the spouse signed himself in he forgot to put his candidates name in the right hand field so before it started they were making sure everyone had time to make their candidate known. He knew he forgot to fill in the blank so he went up to the guy calling out names and low and behold somebody had written Obama in for him. Of course I have no idea who did it so I couldn't accuse anyone but I'm glad he was able to correct his candidate.
Some of the people I spoke with said they felt intimated when they walked in and the place was covered in Obama signs. One gal said it was if it were pointless to be there because it looked like it had already been decided. An elderly lady spoke up and asked "Why is there nothing about Hillary here" and the guy running the show says "Well, because her people didn't send any". Now what would that say to you if you were from a small town? I have no idea where one gets promotional products for her except to purchase them from HillaryStore.com....anyone know? I'd be happy to pass them out if I knew who to get them from.
The main reason I feel there was such an awful turn out for Hillary is that our Primary ballots came out last week and so many people assumed that they had already voted by mail that there was no need to go to the caucus. The way I understand it our primary ballots only count from the people who participated in the caucus so our state spent something like 9 million on paper and postage for something that doesn't count.
Anyway, thanks for letting me rant a little.
Thanks for contributing this - very interesting to read about your experience. The entire caucus process seems to have been very unfavorable to Hillary. And there have been so many reports of Hillary supporters feeling intimidated and overpowered by obsessed Obama supporters. More and more it is sounding as though caucuses are a highly undemocratic way to vote for candidates. And I remember reading about the primary/caucus mix in Washington state and feeling very confused so I am not surprised that some people didn't realize they had to attend the caucas as well.
SCORECARD GOING INTO FEB 12 CONTESTS
(Source: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#D)
CLINTON: 1157
- pledged: 923
- super: 234
OBAMA: 1145
- pledged: 989
- super: 156
realist_hillary_supporter
02-12-2008, 07:43 PM
I have not given up hope. I think Hillary will come through with the Texas and Ohio. The Patomic will not be the last chance for her. Yeah it looks bad right now because Obama is fooling alot of people in these smaller states, but there are still people that see reality over fantasy!
~Charlie's Angel~
BloodDAnna
02-12-2008, 10:43 PM
Anyone know who these super delegates are so that we can do an email campaign?
Anyone know who these super delegates are so that we can do an email campaign?
See this topic - contains links to contact superdelegates!
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=94
BloodDAnna
02-12-2008, 10:47 PM
I just found it thanks
Ok, so he wins these 3 (MD, VA, DC). No need to fear. He is now only marginally ahead in the overall combined pledged/superdelgates count. Read the article below which discusses Clinton's non-acknowledgement of Obama's wins. Personally, I agree with her position. Obama is already getting BLANKET media coverage - why should she publicize his name anymore?? He wouldn't even debate with her during the Politico interview so why should she play a fair game when he isn't?! I'm sorry, but the time for fair games has ended. Hillary really needs to pull out big moves now.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/12/clinton-still-no-congratulations-for-obama/
"Hillary Clinton is Down But Not Out"
An article that takes a more realistic look at the current state of affairs (going into Feb 12), without the usual hysterical bias we see with CNN and other mainstream media outlets who are championing the Obama product.
http://www.alternet.org/election08/76571/
Feb 12, 2008 (10.30pm)
"Banking on Texas, Clinton Campaign Continues Shake Up"
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/vote2008/blog/2008/02/banking_on_texas_and_ohio_clin.html
New Mexico Hillary! I yelled out loud when I heard that! I know it's a small victory but psychologically it means something. All this BS and media propaganda about "momentum" for Obama. It was nice for a win to go our way, even if it was a result from a while back!
AS AT FEB 15
OBAMA: 1253
- pledged: 1096
- super: 157
CLINTON: 1211
- pledged: 977
- super: 234
DELEGATES REMAINING
- pledged: 1180 (total available = 3253)
- super: 405 (total available = 796)
- overall: 1585 (total available = 4049)
STATS
- 63.7% of pledged delegates have been allocated
- 49% of super delegates have been allocated
pennylane8510
02-15-2008, 03:15 PM
Obama is barely ahead. He better watch out, because Hillary is about to pass him by...again!
Obama is barely ahead. He better watch out, because Hillary is about to pass him by...again!
HOW SWEET IT WOULD BE TO WATCH HER PASS HIM!
He has conned his way into this lead. I just hope there is enough time for people to "wake up" and realize they are being frauded into voting for a man who in now way represents the vision he deceptively pushes down people's throats.:mad:
johnny51981
02-16-2008, 08:31 PM
If he gets the nomination, I will see it as a trend....that being fraud.
veggiegyrl365
02-16-2008, 08:39 PM
the Anti Masonic party , and the Democratic party of Andrew Jackson started the convention to ensure Americans from all over the country had a voice in the presidential nomination system. Write Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, and the DNC to ensure Florida and Michigan Delegates are seated. There will be a serious underrepresentation of minorities in Denver if they are stripped of their constitutional right to be heard! Students for Hillary 2008!!
veggiegyrl365
02-16-2008, 08:41 PM
the Anti Masonic party , and the Democratic party of Andrew Jackson started the convention to ensure Americans from all over the country had a voice in the presidential nomination system. Write Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, and the DNC to ensure Florida and Michigan Delegates are seated. There will be a serious underrepresentation of minorities in Denver if they are stripped of their constitutional right to be heard! Students for Hillary 2008!!
I found the stat below a good REALITY CHECK! The media likes to influence the public and distort reality by overstating Obama's popularity. When you actually forget about who has won each state and how many delegates each have, and just focus on actual numbers of votes received, it's virtually a dead heat:
AS AT FEB 20, 2008
Number of Raw Votes as at 2/20/08 (http://abcnews.go.com/politics)
Clinton: 10,662,017
Obama: 10,958,621
Does that sound like a landslide to you?
NO. 50% want Hillary. 50% voted for Obama. Factor in the extreme media bias towards Obama, lack of negative scrutiny for Obama, sexism against Clinton, anti-establishment bias against Clinton, and GOP voting for Obama in open democratic primaries to prevent a Clinton win, and you can see the picture is not exactly how the media would have the public believe. Despite tremendous barriers, Hillary is still pulling 50% of the raw vote nationally. Now that's something the media NEVER reports. All we hear about is Obama's "momentum" and Hillary's "implosion". I am so sick of it!!! Such sexist nonsense. The mainstream media reporting of the Dem nomination race thus far has been nothing short of HORRENDOUS - misrepresentation, gross distortion and serious irresponsibility.
Delegates (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/)
Obama: 1319 (1158 pledged + 161 super)
Clinton: 1250 (1016 pledged + 234 super)
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lanesharon
02-23-2008, 03:45 AM
Obama has a lead of 139 finalized delegates; with 1,811 delegates still in play, this is not impossible to do:
http://greenvalleyweb.com/state.html
2,159 delegates are finalized; 1,811 delegates are still 'in play'; not including 366 delegates for Michigan & Florida. ALL superdelegates are 'in play' until the final vote. So, I did not add them to Hillary or Barack's delegates.
I have been around for a long time. I have seen conventions broken at the last minute by superdelegate switches. It ain't over until the 'fat lady sings'.
Take Care, Sharon
Detailed anlaysis of delegate scorecard at Real Clear Politics:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_delegate_count.html
RAFREE
03-04-2008, 04:46 AM
We need to still keep writing those super delegates!! We are tired of seeing Hillary's delegates bamboozled away!
We need to still keep writing those super delegates!! We are tired of seeing Hillary's delegates bamboozled away!
Email them that new video. That should shut them up!
Latest update from Real Clear Politics:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/
Obama: 1542 Total Delegates (1340 Pledged + 202 Super)
Clinton: 1447 Total Delegates (1206 Pledged + 241 Super)
SantaCruzen
03-05-2008, 06:18 PM
According to my readings of the New York Times, the AP scorecard is not an accurate total but is a predictive total. I believe that CNN is the same. I follow:
RealClearPoltics
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_delegate_count.html
According the Hillary Clinton Campaign:
This race is extremely close and more than 5 million Democrats are likely to vote. After 28 million votes have been counted, the popular vote contest in the Democratic primary is within one-tenth of one percent. Applying the same level of turnout to the remaining contests, there are still more than 5 million Democratic voters – 17 percent of the total – who are likely to participate in this contested primary race. After 41 primaries and caucuses, the delegate count is within roughly 2 percent.
http://blog.hillaryclinton.com/blog/main/2008/03/05/162040
Qulin
03-05-2008, 06:55 PM
I heard them talking about Michigan and Florida. They are saying they are going to have to something but don't know what. To me the vote was already taken. Obama ran ads in Florida and he was the idiot that took his name off the ballots in Wisconsin. Why does it have to be a redo? Really more tax payer dollars and these people already spent their time voting.
How can someone take away people's votes? Florida has already been disenfranchised once with Gore/Bush election, they sure don't need it to happen again.
Then I keep hearing rhetoric out of his campaign that the super delegates shouldn't be counted. The rules are you have to have 2,025 delegates to win. He wants that rule changed, just amazing.
How can the media and Obama claim that Hillary will do anything to win? I so disagree, he wants to cheat people out of their votes and doesn't want the superdelegates to count. Obama is the one that will do anything just to win.
RAFREE
03-05-2008, 06:57 PM
She needs to start making these arguments that if this is an example of how he will behave in the White House it's certainly questionable when you add it all up.
The way he leaves out bits of information to make things appear one way when they are the opposite. He's so arrogant! It doesn't appear to matter to him WHAT the people in Florida want to do!! How about let's ASK THEM, mr. "change" democracy!
The way he leaves out bits of information to make things appear one way when they are the opposite. He's so arrogant! It doesn't appear to matter to him WHAT the people in Florida want to do!! How about let's ASK THEM, mr. "change" democracy!
You'll get a chuckle out of this article from Sep 2007 when Obama vowed: "Ill do what's right by Florida"!! Oh how his position has changed!!
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=214
Did I hear the word OPPORTUNIST somewhere....???
Oh, and he also spent more money campaigning in Florida than any other candidate! (trying to find that article which confirmed that fact...)
SantaCruzen
03-05-2008, 07:33 PM
At first, I really felt that Obama might be a young whipper snapper. After several debates, criticisms of Hillary Clinton, infallible undeniabilities and his last weekends' attempt to call upon Sen. Rockefellers' 2002 vote against Iraq invasion seems to demonstrate that Obama speaks before he thinks:
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to enriched uranium from foreign sources -- something that is not that difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction. "
What part of "Senator Rockefeller voted for Iraq 2002 the same as Senator Clinton" does Sen. Obama not understand? Why does he repeatedly and unbelievably make the same mistake over and over and over? I mean, does he know he has a brain?
"So, Mr. President, I will vote for the Lieberman/McCain resolution. Preventing a war with Saddam Hussein -- whether now or later -- must be our top priority, and I believe this resolution will strengthen the president’s hand to resolve this crisis peacefully.
By my vote, I say to the United Nations and our allies that America is united in our resolve to deal with Saddam Hussein, and that the U.N. must act to eliminate his weapons of mass destruction. By my vote, I say to Saddam Hussein, "Disarm, or the United States will be forced to act."
September 11 has forever changed the world. We may not like it, but that is the world in which we live. When there is a grave threat to Americans’ lives, we have a responsibility to take action to prevent it."
http://www.senate.gov/~rockefeller/news/2002/flrstmt0102002.html
"A brain is a terrible thing to waste" old war on drugs slogan.
SantaCruzen
03-06-2008, 01:55 PM
The way he leaves out bits of information to make things appear one way when they are the opposite. He's so arrogant! It doesn't appear to matter to him WHAT the people in Florida want to do!! How about let's ASK THEM, mr. "change" democracy!
At first I had thought Obamatics was about Change as in Change One's Mind. Now, I believe that Obamatics are about Editing Reality.
TRAIL BLAZE ME IN
03-30-2008, 02:38 AM
Find Lynfreedom Or Linda And She's A Delegate In Texas And Had A Rough Day And Says It Was Not Organized? Let Her Tell You And She Wrote In About It.Phone Connections For Calls Not Connecting And Some Of The Delegates Left? On hillaryclinton.com and you'll find the report in from a Texas delegate for Clinton! Send me another e-mail forum up date on connection please and lost it. Texas sounds like it was hectic and lynhaven got e-mails from Obama but not one from Clinton? That's what she says as a Clinton delegate from Texas! Find Carla Rossi on hillaryclinton.com and look for Linda's comment in the middle of Obama's Bionic. We need to thank her and it was a day from .....? Play,'' ROLL WITH IT BABY'' Clap three times for the delegate from Texas!
Jayling
03-30-2008, 02:56 AM
For those who may not have these sites yet, Delegate Count and Popular Vote (http://www.diversityj.com/ElectionResults2008Primary.html) totals at my site, and over at TheGreenPaper.com (http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/tally.phtml).
The news networks are very selective with their numbers, are all over the board with their numbers, aren't transparent, don't cite their sources, and do not show the math. Please don't rely on them.
The only source on the web that shows all their sources and the math, is GreenPapers. Please bookmark it! And mine too, I hope :)
For those who may not have these sites yet, Delegate Count and Popular Vote (http://www.diversityj.com/ElectionResults2008Primary.html) totals at my site, and over at TheGreenPaper.com (http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/tally.phtml).
The news networks are very selective with their numbers, are all over the board with their numbers, aren't transparent, don't cite their sources, and do not show the math. Please don't rely on them.
The only source on the web that shows all their sources and the math, is GreenPapers. Please bookmark it! And mine too, I hope :)
Agreed - 2 great links!
lynfreedom
04-08-2008, 01:53 AM
Jayling, great links. I was checking out the side-by-side comparison. I wish everyone would read that. If it is ok, I will be sending that link to my daughter's friends who keep asking questions about why they should vote for her (my daughter will not vote for Obama).
FYI, you have about her writing her book. You might add that proceeds are given to charity. Tyra Banks talked to her about that on the show, tax reports are showing. Just found this comment.
The proceeds of Mrs. Clinton's best-selling book ''It Takes A Village'' goes to charity. "The Clintons have promised not to profit from the book..., ''All income from the book (net of taxes and administrative expenses) is being donated to charity.''
Thanks,
Linda
cassiegr
05-10-2008, 12:42 PM
Hi,
I came across this website http://www.usforus.org
There is a nice forum there and nice Hillary support info.
Check it out.
Eridon
05-20-2008, 12:24 AM
I'm an alternate delegate. I'm going to my state convention because I have to. But for the general public, it's an opportunity to increase the number of Hillary delegates. There are always empty delegate seats, and you can get appointed to them at the convention caucus. It is the only other time besides the initial caucuses. Call your Hillary campaign office and find out how to register. You can register as a guest of a delegate and get in cheaper.
As an alternate, I am obliged to make sure my delegate is present. Assuming she will of course absolutely be there, I will resign as an alternate, and take a delegate position. By doing this, Obama's one vote edge in my voting ward will be nullified.
It was a close race. Therefore, if enough people show up and take those seats, we can change the delegate outcome.
Eridon
05-20-2008, 06:22 AM
Ask the Hillary campaign office how to contact the delegate trainer for your county. That's who to ask.
PolitikaFreedom
05-24-2008, 07:30 PM
Most people don't know. but half of texas will vote by caucus not primary. And Obama already launch his attack in texas. He will be open 10 new office in these location. his plan is if he can squeeze a serious number of delegate from TX caucus, he has a good chance to have a lead on delegate.
If Hillary can't defend TX, her position will be in serious trouble.
My friends had a very bad experience during the caucus in several district in WA. Obama camp sent one to them pretending to be a Clinton supporter to join Clinton supporter. Then during the caucusing, these people jumped back to Obama camp make it as if they were able to drawn voter away from Clinton. It had huge psychological impact on the undecided voters. Also the jeer, boo, and bully when Clinton supporters spoke made it looks like a high school locker room. The intimidation and peer pressure was not pleasant and shouldn't be that way when you cast your vote.
We need to gear up our attack/defend on Texas ground. If you know someone in Texas, please pass on the words. Please also let me know if I can be of any help in Texas. Our group is trying to contact the local office in TX, a few friends want to go there and help with the volunteer.
We need not to forget your friends experience during the caucuses, as it was for sure one of very many. At the end of the day, it matters greatly that Obama used very dirty political, intimidating tactics and plagiarism illegalities to "win" caucuses where he "won" them. I taped a show (hilltv.blip.tv) on the undemocratic nature of caucuses where 17th district North CA delegate for Hillary, Pat Bakalian explains the very unruly and undemocratic nature of caucuses, along with the Texas two step which was a democratic disaster.
Please tune in to the half hour show for more clarity.
Also, i just returned from Stage 3 Campaigning for Hillary Clinton for President from Beaverton, Oregon, where I was privileged to meet zillions of people who fight the good fight for Hillary like we do.
During my 10 day, 12 hour/ day schedule as a out of state volunteer campaigning I was lucky to meet a woman who came in from Ohio a passionate Hillary supporter, and one who campaigned for Hillary in many many states, including Indiana, Ohio, Texas, PA etc etc.
The point is that she informed me about what many people saw in broad daylight on the ground and presumably what Hillary heads know as well is that BO aka Bambi/ Barry had flew in illegal immigrants from Chicago and set them up with fake id's and driver's liscences when necessary to set them all in line to vote for him in the caucuses and in the primaries in Texas and In NC. Barry did the seem thing in other states with immigrants from Greece as well as Mexicans from Chicago.
This is a hot piece of news that is traceable. I hope you and others jump on the opportunity of this second hand but true account of how Barack is bamboozling the electorate and spread the news on Grand Father Eagle's Wings. Thank you very much and let's keep working on those delegates in our own states. Write , call delegate offices in your states with the fury and heart of an angel in hell!
Thank you again for all your work and energy!
PolitikaFreedom
05-24-2008, 07:43 PM
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Ya wanna hear shady? When the spouse signed himself in he forgot to put his candidates name in the right hand field so before it started they were making sure everyone had time to make their candidate known. He knew he forgot to fill in the blank so he went up to the guy calling out names and low and behold somebody had written Obama in for him. Of course I have no idea who did it so I couldn't accuse anyone but I'm glad he was able to correct his candidate.
Anyway, thanks for letting me rant a little.
Please share this with many political heads, and other delegates as it will need to be cemented in their mind that BO is one unsavory politician who is not winning on people's wings but on manipulating the electorate!
This has been the most common account after account about Bo's tactics, plus the media, and we cannot allow these delegates or super delegates to stay pledged to him with clear conscience of the people come the Denver Convention. Thank you. Please see my show on hilltv.blip.tv California Locals Go to Texas for Hillary.
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