*Dean says FL & MI Delegates WILL be seated!*

[Jayling]

Folks, I think we have a real opportunity here to change the forlorn, negative helplessness that the media and the Obama supporters have been pouring on us. Lets change the speaking-points dynamics!

From Mr. Dean's own mouth, posted March 28th, 2008 (http://news.aol.com/elections/story/_a/dean-says-attacks-getting-too-personal/n20080328034009990014):

Dean also said the Michigan and Florida delegates will be seated at the convention. But he won't force a resolution because he said there's nothing the Obama and Clinton campaigns can support at this point.

He says Florida and Michigan delegates WILL be seated! He doesn't say anything (yet) about any punishment, but still, this is fabulous news! This puts Hillary only a hairs-breath away from the lead in both popular votes and even Pledged delegates.

If there isn't any punishment when they're seated, here's where Hillary stands now (http://www.diversityj.com/ElectionResults2008Primary.html):
-106,812 (-0.384%) Total Votes / -49 Total Pledged / -2 Total Delegates

With Pennsylvania right around the corner, she'll overtake the popular vote without much problem, and will come ever so closer to the Pledge, and actually overtake him in the Total Delegates.

If we start pushing this type of news out there, it will eventually get highlights on the news media. This is positive news that needs aired. Over and over and over again!

This is really great news hearing the Delegates will be seated, even though we don't know the specifics yet. Hillary will actually be ahead, at least in the popular vote, quite soon!

Spread the news!

[Charlie Brown]

Thanyou,thanyou, thankyou...good news.

[Jayling]

Thanyou,thanyou, thankyou...good news.

It is!

We need to shout this from the roof-tops! Spread the word, folks. The light just got brighter :)

Oh, and please don't rely on any news network for the delegate count and popular votes, they are very selective with the numbers, don't link to sources, don't show the math, and aren't transparent at all. Over at TheGreenPapers.com (http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/tally.phtml), Tony has the most comprehensive information available -- and he even shows the math! Sources included!

I highly recommend bookmarking GreenPapers. And spread the word about FL & MI too!

[lucky-ann]

does that mean that they will be seated based on the result (even if it's just half the delegates) or can it also be 50/ 50 (what would be a joke ;))

[Jayling]

does that mean that they will be seated based on the result (even if it's just half the delegates) or can it also be 50/ 50 (what would be a joke ;))
He didn't make mention of anything like that, no word on what punishment there may be, if any. But he did say they would be seated! That means the popular vote gets counted too!

By the time these last 10 elections are done, Hillary should be hundreds of thousands of votes ahead of him, and without any cuts in delegates, she looks to surpass him there too.

[Optixmom]

http://darylbinsky.com/mainImages/Calvin_And_Hobbes_Dance.gif

[mooaks]

At last. The sun's resplendent rays are shining upon us.:):):)

[Patricia GA]

I am giving thanks today! GOOD NEWS!

[Jayling]

At last. The sun's resplendent rays are shining upon us.:):):)
aye! It's getting brighter and brighter!

I'm sure Mr Dean and pals will slap a penalty of some sort on the Delegates, who knows what or how bad, but at least the popular votes will be counted for FL & MI, which is a great boon in itself!

[hillary1]

Folks, I think we have a real opportunity here to change the forlorn, negative helplessness that the media and the Obama supporters have been pouring on us. Lets change the speaking-points dynamics!

From Mr. Dean's own mouth, posted March 28th, 2008 (http://news.aol.com/elections/story/_a/dean-says-attacks-getting-too-personal/n20080328034009990014):

Dean also said the Michigan and Florida delegates will be seated at the convention. But he won't force a resolution because he said there's nothing the Obama and Clinton campaigns can support at this point.

He says Florida and Michigan delegates WILL be seated! He doesn't say anything (yet) about any punishment, but still, this is fabulous news! This puts Hillary only a hairs-breath away from the lead in both popular votes and even Pledged delegates.

If there isn't any punishment when they're seated, here's where Hillary stands now (http://www.diversityj.com/ElectionResults2008Primary.html):
-106,812 (-0.384%) Total Votes / -49 Total Pledged / -2 Total Delegates

With Pennsylvania right around the corner, she'll overtake the popular vote without much problem, and will come ever so closer to the Pledge, and actually overtake him in the Total Delegates.

If we start pushing this type of news out there, it will eventually get highlights on the news media. This is positive news that needs aired. Over and over and over again!

This is really great news hearing the Delegates will be seated, even though we don't know the specifics yet. Hillary will actually be ahead, at least in the popular vote, quite soon!

Spread the news!

i would take a wait and see approach, i am sure the obama campaign will have something to say about their vote and delegates, and if it does not fit the obama bill, they will object up and down

it is great news for hillary, if she can take pa. in a landslide victory, and not close, 70-30, even 65-35, it would be a tremendous victory for her

pa. is around the corner

i'm sure the media a** wipes will have very negative news to this approach unless it favors obama, i'm sure all the racists will be out in droves if it doesn't favor the obama/wright regime

[Jayling]

i would take a wait and see approach, i am sure the obama campaign will have something to say about their vote and delegates, and if it does not fit the obama bill, they will object up and down

it is great news for hillary, if she can take pa. in a landslide victory, and not close, 70-30, even 65-35, it would be a tremendous victory for her

pa. is around the corner

i'm sure the media a** wipes will have very negative news to this approach unless it favors obama, i'm sure all the racists will be out in droves if it doesn't favor the obama/wright regime
Sorry, I'm going to disagree. There has been too much negativity thrust upon us and we need to turn that around with these positives.

I'm sure Dean is going to swat the delegates in some manner, but the very important popular vote wouldn't be affected. Hillary will overtake him in the popular vote once Pennsylvania rolls around, and she'll continue to gain ground there, even if a few states aren't in her favor.

I study the numbers every single day, and it's looking good in the popular vote :)

[swannyj]

But the consensus seems to be, along with his recent statement, that the decision will be made in June? Is this a sneaky ploy?

[Lodi]

Jayling:

When it comes to numbers, I need to be spoken to as if I were a five-year-old, :o so please excuse me for this dumb question: If Herr Dean decides to do something as unfair as split the delegates 50:50, then would the actual popular-vote count still be divvied literally, at least in Florida, where both names were on the ballot?

Later: after posting this, I saw your post to Hillary1. So I rephrase my question: Can the popular vote in MI be counted considering Obamination took his name off the ballot there? (And thanks for the news and the number crunching. I admire folks who are good with numbers and statistics. They boggle my mind!)

[Charlie Brown]

Jayling:

When it comes to numbers, I need to be spoken to as if I were a five-year-old, :o so please excuse me for this dumb question: If Herr Dean decides to do something as unfair as split the delegates 50:50, then would the actual popular-vote count still be divvied literally, at least in Florida, where both names were on the ballot?

Good question???????

[Jayling]

Jayling:

When it comes to numbers, I need to be spoken to as if I were a five-year-old, :o so please excuse me for this dumb question: If Herr Dean decides to do something as unfair as split the delegates 50:50, then would the actual popular-vote count still be divvied literally, at least in Florida, where both names were on the ballot?
The popular vote is separate from the Pledged delegates. I find it doubtful he'd split the delegates 50/50, but have a feeling he'll end up penalizing them and possibly cut them in half.

That's my guess.

[Jayling]

Later: after posting this, I saw your post to Hillary1. So I rephrase my question: Can the popular vote in MI be counted considering Obamination took his name off the ballot there? (And thanks for the news and the number crunching. I admire folks who are good with numbers and statistics. They boggle my mind!)
I can't speculate on numbers that don't really belong to him. The folks of Michigan voted, and it's not up to any of us, Herr Dean, either, to say how many of those 238,168 Uncommitted voters would've gone his way. Some would've definitely been for Edwards in that group as he also chose to take his name off the ballot. Plus the regular folks who vote uncommitted.

So I think it'd cause a Michigan uproar if he played with folks popular votes and place them where he pleases. That sounds like taboo territory to me.

[Lodi]

I can't speculate on numbers that don't really belong to him. The folks of Michigan voted, and it's not up to any of us, Herr Dean, either, to say how many of those 238,168 Uncommitted voters would've gone his way. Some would've definitely been for Edwards in that group as he also chose to take his name off the ballot. Plus the regular folks who vote uncommitted.

So I think it'd cause a Michigan uproar if he played with folks popular votes and place them where he pleases. That sounds like taboo territory to me.

OK, now I'm really confused about Michigan: what can Hillary get out of it?

[Disfranchised]

Folks, I think we have a real opportunity here to change the forlorn, negative helplessness that the media and the Obama supporters have been pouring on us. Lets change the speaking-points dynamics!

From Mr. Dean's own mouth, posted March 28th, 2008 (http://news.aol.com/elections/story/_a/dean-says-attacks-getting-too-personal/n20080328034009990014):

Dean also said the Michigan and Florida delegates will be seated at the convention. But he won't force a resolution because he said there's nothing the Obama and Clinton campaigns can support at this point.

He says Florida and Michigan delegates WILL be seated! He doesn't say anything (yet) about any punishment, but still, this is fabulous news! This puts Hillary only a hairs-breath away from the lead in both popular votes and even Pledged delegates.

If there isn't any punishment when they're seated, here's where Hillary stands now (http://www.diversityj.com/ElectionResults2008Primary.html):
-106,812 (-0.384%) Total Votes / -49 Total Pledged / -2 Total Delegates

With Pennsylvania right around the corner, she'll overtake the popular vote without much problem, and will come ever so closer to the Pledge, and actually overtake him in the Total Delegates.

If we start pushing this type of news out there, it will eventually get highlights on the news media. This is positive news that needs aired. Over and over and over again!

This is really great news hearing the Delegates will be seated, even though we don't know the specifics yet. Hillary will actually be ahead, at least in the popular vote, quite soon!

Spread the news!

I am going to wait before I put on my dancing shoes.:(
I want to know if he wants to seat our delegates based on 50% for Hillary -50% for BO, or by the most stupid proposed formula to seat 50% of the Florida delegates based on the results from the Jan. 29 election, which Clinton won, and the other 50% based on results from the national race, which Obama has been winning which will give more delegates to BO.

I want my vote to count the way it was cast!

[Jayling]

OK, now I'm really confused about Michigan: what can Hillary get out of it?
Well, all I can tell you is how many popular votes she did get in Michigan (http://miboecfr.nictusa.com/election/results/08PPR/):
Clinton: 328,309 (55.23%)
Uncommitted: 238,168 (40.07%)

[Amy Dugan]

i heard last night that the delegates will be seated AFTER the nominee is chosen and the nominee can authorize the conventions committee to lift the ban on the states. a guest said that is still not letting MI and FL have any influence on the nomination process. i am chilling so as not to get let down later



going to muncie IN this eve to hear HRC

[Charlie Brown]

Thankyou Jay...this is good news the popular vote is what we keep hearing from Pelosi and if Hillary gets it she will have to support her...at least from where she says she stands on the subject. That super delegate should go with the popular vote even though kerry, kennedy, Richardson didnt to name a few.

[Jayling]

Thankyou Jay...this is good news the popular vote is what we keep hearing from Pelosi and if Hillary gets it she will have to support her...at least from where she says she stands on the subject. That super delegate should go with the popular vote even though kerry, kennedy, Richardson didnt to name a few.
Layne, I think Pelosi has been spouting the 'whoever has the most Pledged delegates', as the consideration the Supers should follow.

Which goes against the role of the Super-Delegates, and she knows it.

[SD]

Superdelegates _ the nearly 800 party and elected officials who can support whomever they choose at the convention, regardless of what happens in the primaries _ should make up their minds before August to avoid a fight at the convention, Dean said.

"There is no point in waiting," he said. The Democratic political organization "is as good or better as the Republicans,' and we haven't been able to say that for about 30 years. But that all doesn't make any difference if people are really disenchanted or demoralized by a convention that's really ugly and nasty."

he said that the superdelegates will make their choice, before the convention. if they do that, and choose obama, seating florida and michigan will not matter.

i am not happy with this and want it to go to the convention.

[endodoc79]

We must continue to write Howard and Nancy that all votes including FL and MI must be counted BEFORE a nominee is chosen, and there is no problem for the debate to go on to the convention if no one has the 2024 delegates to garner the nomination. That is the way it has been done for over 200 years - with the decision on a nominee agreed to at the convention. Otherwise why do we go through the convention experience at all. This is a closely contested race - there is no need to cut off voting and debating and alienate a very large group of voters who have already voted and those contests yet to come. As Carville said in an analogy to a March Madness NCAA game - we've only played 33 minutes of a 40 minute game. If we're going to play lets play the whole game.

[memphis]

I don't see Donna Brazil and co-harts agreeing to this. Wonder what the catch is. We have to be vigilant.

[NewHamster]

OMG when I saw that there were suddenly 230 people here, I knew something good or bad had happened!! **heart pounding**

[Amy Dugan]

suzannah
if you are right, the voters in MI and FL still have no say and will be just as ticked as if they were not seated at all

[Bacio83]

If by May this isn't taken care of I plan on taking a week off and picketing in FL.... I'm so poed.

[Area504]

*crosses fingers, says a prayer, waits for the other shoe to drop*

[emmyCA]

Folks, I think we have a real opportunity here to change the forlorn, negative helplessness that the media and the Obama supporters have been pouring on us. Lets change the speaking-points dynamics!

From Mr. Dean's own mouth, posted March 28th, 2008 (http://news.aol.com/elections/story/_a/dean-says-attacks-getting-too-personal/n20080328034009990014):

Dean also said the Michigan and Florida delegates will be seated at the convention. But he won't force a resolution because he said there's nothing the Obama and Clinton campaigns can support at this point.

He says Florida and Michigan delegates WILL be seated! He doesn't say anything (yet) about any punishment, but still, this is fabulous news! This puts Hillary only a hairs-breath away from the lead in both popular votes and even Pledged delegates.

If there isn't any punishment when they're seated, here's where Hillary stands now (http://www.diversityj.com/ElectionResults2008Primary.html):
-106,812 (-0.384%) Total Votes / -49 Total Pledged / -2 Total Delegates

With Pennsylvania right around the corner, she'll overtake the popular vote without much problem, and will come ever so closer to the Pledge, and actually overtake him in the Total Delegates.

If we start pushing this type of news out there, it will eventually get highlights on the news media. This is positive news that needs aired. Over and over and over again!

This is really great news hearing the Delegates will be seated, even though we don't know the specifics yet. Hillary will actually be ahead, at least in the popular vote, quite soon!

Spread the news!

I am afraid they will split FL and MI by 50/50...I think they want to wait until after the fact to seat FL and MI. Meaning if they see that Obama wins, they won't need to seat FL and MI as no voters would care. However, if Hillary wins, they will seat them....to make it offical so they won't lose these two states in November

The whole point, they DNC, Dean are pro Obama, they want Obama to be nominee. I dont think Dean meant anything to be fair to Hillary

[Ohio mom]

OH MY GOSH OH MY GOSH THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!PRAYERS DO WORK!!!:eek::eek::eek::D:D:D:cool:

[lucky-ann]

OH MY GOSH OH MY GOSH THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!PRAYERS DO WORK!!!:eek::eek::eek::D:D:D:cool:

sorry, but I don't think Dean wants to seat them to Hillary's advantage...

[lanney]

Don't trust Dean and his mouth, he is in bed with Obama, he will do anything to deny Hillary nomination, even if it means destruction of Party.
Don't forget Kennedy is his partner.
Kennedy is same guy who came out to fight election against sitting democrat President and he is the same guy who forced or included law for superdelgate when he ran against Carter. So when all these mean people join hands, don't trust them. Now these loser gang is against Superdelgates choice because it means loser gang chosen candidate may lose.

[Ohio mom]

sorry, but I don't think Dean wants to seat them to Hillary's advantage...

:( WHY DO YOU SAY THAT??? i WAS COUNTING ON THEM FINALLY REALIZING IT WOULD JUST DESTROY THE PARTY IN NOVEMBER???

[CGP]

Well, it's movement in the right direction. Positive news and definitely an avenue to now puruse.

No misery talk please.

[FlaDem]

This is great news if it's true. But it's premature to celebrate. I'm not exhaling yet. We need to know all the details first.

[mjoynaples]

i would take a wait and see approach, i am sure the obama campaign will have something to say about their vote and delegates, and if it does not fit the obama bill, they will object up and down

it is great news for hillary, if she can take pa. in a landslide victory, and not close, 70-30, even 65-35, it would be a tremendous victory for her

pa. is around the corner

i'm sure the media a** wipes will have very negative news to this approach unless it favors obama, i'm sure all the racists will be out in droves if it doesn't favor the obama/wright regime


Totally agree Hillary needs PA by 85% so there is no question that the tide is changing...and we need to get the word out there corrected SHE IS THE POSITIVE CANDIDATE AND THE UNIFIER NOT the other one... and that article on how she went to the fundraiser for Axelrod's wife/child in the midst of her own difficulty(when she was First Lady) she keeps her committments- YET HOW QUICKlY they forgot... barack's campaign pummels hillary and no one seems to care and she still gets negatively reviewed... Obama sits in a church for 20 + years listens to hate messages against all people and Hillary is looked at with suspicion... omg.... WE NEED AMERICA to WAKE UP NOW and have VOTER'S REMORSE... and wished they had HILLARY ...WE WANT THE DEMS TO WIN in 2008 and WE WANT THAT DEM TO BE HILLARY all the way to the WHITE HOUSE... SHE IS THE ONE WHO IS FOR THE PEOPLE in all that matters everyday 100% plus and SHE IS POSITIVE and wants the best for everyone. GO HILLARY! also PA your VOICE-VOTE will make the difference!!!!!

[CGP]

Totally agree Hillary needs PA by 85% so there is no question that the tide is changing...

This is an impossible goal and not necessary. She does not need to win by that margin to justify anything.

[SD]

suzannah
if you are right, the voters in MI and FL still have no say and will be just as ticked as if they were not seated at all

exactly. this is a sneaky way to attempt to appear to appease us, yet still deny florida and michigan. if they choose the nominee before the convention, as he said, seating florida and michigan will be only to "look good" to voters. i don't believe florida voters are so stupid as to fall for this ploy. to include us, after the fact, still discounts our votes.

i will work hard to help mccain win over obama if this happens.

[Amy Dugan]

i agree
on the conference call with governor rendell yesterday, he said based on voter registration, if she beats him by 10%, it gains her about 400,000 popular vote over him



i know that NC win by obama of 15% could nullify pa win. so in that respect she needs to win pa by 30% to still be close with the popular vote

[mjoynaples]

This is an impossible goal and not necessary. She does not need to win by that margin to justify anything.

gotcha...

[LadyLuck]

So it is a virtual tie. Hillary is right, no wonder we have several Obama Supers asking for Hillary to resign. FEAR.

I like others only support Hillary for Democratic nominee. I will support no other after the way Florida was treated by Obama and the DNC by blocking our attempts at a revote.

By saying he will wait for the convention doesn't allow Hillary the support from either state. He needs to make the elections legit now!

[CGP]

So it is a virtual tie. Hillary is right, no wonder we have several Obama Supers asking for Hillary to resign. FEAR.

Exactly. It's very clear this is the case. It's dead even. And they (Obama campaign & his colluders) want to CHEAT the process by getting Hillary to "drop out" - wow, they want it so easy! It's completely laughable!! :) It's like being even in the final set of a tennis match and telling your opponent to "drop out" so you can win. Yeah right.

[skc1976]

I have to say, this would be good news depending on how it's done. I don't foresee Dean doing anything to help Hillary at all. I'm going to cheer but with reserve. I don't believe it until it happens and happens FAIRLY!

[Patricia GA]

I heard from my sister that on Morning Joe Dean is calling for superdelegates to decide now and announce who they are for now. Anyone got a line on this information?!

[freethinker]

Help me understand influence of FL and MI if not counted by June and decision made before convention?? seems to be just a technical nod to FL and MI (at convention) that carries no weight on superdelegate decision based on pledged by June.

:confused:


Dean said:

Democratic nominee will be determined shortly after the voting ends in June ..... will encourage the superdelegates .... to make up their minds before the August convention in Denver..

...the candidate with the most pledged delegates - which almost certainly will be Obama.... superdelegates are free to chose who they want....... unlikely the superdelegates would support a candidate who did not have the most pledged delegates.

Michigan and Florida delegates will be seated at the convention.But he won't force a resolution.

[foreigner4hillary]

I won't count on Dean to be fair at this stage. You guys need to focus and keep up the pressure. The vote should count as is.

[tcbwriter]

i know that NC win by obama of 15% could nullify pa win. so in that respect she needs to win pa by 30% to still be close with the popular vote


. . . or we can work to help her either win in NC or make it very close!

[tcbwriter]

Jayling -

Thanks for the positive news. Murray is right; we need to focus on the positive at this point.

I have a question for you regarding the popular vote. What do they do with states who only hold caucuses? Since the populus of a caucus state don't get to express their opinion via an actual vote, they can't possibly consider caucus votes as "popular" votes . . . or do they? :confused:

Thanks!

[LadyLuck]

In order to have ANY sway Florida and Michigan need to be enfranchised now. This waiting until the convention gives the election to an undeserving Obama.

[LadyLuck]

If Howard Dean and the DNC think that this will gain my support in November they are wrong. We have to be part of THIS decision. I will not dance around an Obama & Democratic party in the fall even if Hillary calls for me to do it.

[johnny51981]

This is very good news. Why they said they wouldn't be counted in the first place is beyond me and seriously jacked up the entire Democratic Party's process. Dean is a complete moron if he had no idea that this would hurt the chance of getting any votes in Florida come November.

This just adds to the list of things that have gone the way that I wanted them to
New England doesn't win the Super Bowl: CHECK
Get a good raise at work: ½ CHECK (In comparison to others, it was good....)
One Tree Hill gets renewed for another season: CHECK
Florida and Michigan get counted: ½ CHECK
Hillary Wins Nomination: TBD
Hillary Wins General Election: TBD

[SD]

Help me understand influence of FL and MI if not counted by June and decision made before convention?? seems to be just a technical nod to FL and MI (at convention) that carries no weight on superdelegate decision based on pledged by June.

:confused:


Dean said:

Democratic nominee will be determined shortly after the voting ends in June ..... will encourage the superdelegates .... to make up their minds before the August convention in Denver..

...the candidate with the most pledged delegates - which almost certainly will be Obama.... superdelegates are free to chose who they want....... unlikely the superdelegates would support a candidate who did not have the most pledged delegates.

Michigan and Florida delegates will be seated at the convention.But he won't force a resolution.


if, as dean said, the superdelegates get together and choose a nominee before the convention, and if they choose obama, then holding the convention will be nothing more than a party. to seat florida and michigan will just be a token to attempt to "show florida and michigan we were there", while our votes will still have been discounted.

if they do not hold this secret superdelegate meeting and do not select the nominee before the convention, and then seat florida and michigan, follow the process that way, florida and michigan will then be included.

this is a ploy to try to pacify florida and michigan, if they do this.

[Annie]

Folks, I think we have a real opportunity here to change the forlorn, negative helplessness that the media and the Obama supporters have been pouring on us. Lets change the speaking-points dynamics!

From Mr. Dean's own mouth, posted March 28th, 2008 (http://news.aol.com/elections/story/_a/dean-says-attacks-getting-too-personal/n20080328034009990014):

Dean also said the Michigan and Florida delegates will be seated at the convention. But he won't force a resolution because he said there's nothing the Obama and Clinton campaigns can support at this point.

He says Florida and Michigan delegates WILL be seated! He doesn't say anything (yet) about any punishment, but still, this is fabulous news! This puts Hillary only a hairs-breath away from the lead in both popular votes and even Pledged delegates.

If there isn't any punishment when they're seated, here's where Hillary stands now (http://www.diversityj.com/ElectionResults2008Primary.html):
-106,812 (-0.384%) Total Votes / -49 Total Pledged / -2 Total Delegates

With Pennsylvania right around the corner, she'll overtake the popular vote without much problem, and will come ever so closer to the Pledge, and actually overtake him in the Total Delegates.

If we start pushing this type of news out there, it will eventually get highlights on the news media. This is positive news that needs aired. Over and over and over again!

This is really great news hearing the Delegates will be seated, even though we don't know the specifics yet. Hillary will actually be ahead, at least in the popular vote, quite soon!

Spread the news!

Somehow I have a feeling he wont seat according to the vote. He'll seat them in compliance with Barak's wishes 50/50... But this wont be the wishes of the voters and it all looks bad to me. They are going to have to come out with the problems and lies of Barak Obama now rather than later. I don't know why they are keeping quiet about it. Well I understand the republicans waiting but the democrats? What the heck.

[Patsy]

In my opinion Dean said that regarding FL and MI AFTER he called for HRC and BHO to tone down the rhetoric. This is just to placate the voters.

The only way to have a legit nominee is for these votes to be counted BEFORE the supers hold their "secret primary."

I do not think that is Dean's intent. He's playing with fire.

The letter from HRC supporters was not about her, but about Florida. But as usual, the MSM and everyone has taken it out of context. Including that wild eyed idiot Dodd.

I think I'm going to buy some muzzles and send them off to some prominent Dems. The process is NOT over by a long shot.

[david m]

come on dean. do you think we will fall for that? all votes count, all delegates count and then we go from there. nothing more and nothing less. its fair to hillary, its fair to obama no matter what he says and its fair to florida, michigan and the rest of us in the democratic party. also if obama wins, fine. i can except that although i will be disappinted. as for your actions in this whole situation, i think you might consider going back to the republican side. after all your family is republican and would be happy to have you back.

[CaliGirl4Hillary]

Dean has a plan and it is to have the delegates vote in June. So Hillary does not get any advantage over Obama. His plan is to then to let MI and Florida be seated at the convention.
Plays to Obama's advantage to get the votes.

[SD]

i am receiving a lot of email , demanding hillary drop out, that she has split the party, to get back in line and support obama, all within an hour.

after watching "the view" today, getting news articles in email about chris dodd, ect, i almost feel like a coup is going down. is this country on it's way to having "dictator obama"?

[FlaDem]

Speaking as a Floridian, Dean has to made painfully aware that Florida delegates need to be counted NOW, just as any other state would be counted. (You, too, Michigan!) Our delegates won't be counted at his strategically convenient time. His political shenanigans are totally unacceptable. Every action he takes must be scrutinized as he should not be allowed to get away with anything less than just and fair.

[Jayling]

Folks, they can try their coup and we know they'll continue their doom-n-gloom with cries of 'she must step down!' What we're all going to do is change the talking-points.

No matter 'when' Dean seats the MI & FL delegates, this means the Popular Votes of them are valid even now. We'll no longer let them use the 'she's down by around 700,000 votes -- she isn't. Whenever we hear that, we say no-no-no, and point folks to the REAL numbers.

We continue to spread this, not letting up, not letting the other possible negatives creep in which will switch our focus, and just pound away with The People's vote.

Don't let this opportunity slip away. Use it daily in your talking points. Give them links to more accurate numbers that aren't selective, those that show the sources and The Math (thegreenpapers.com or even my results pages).

Jayling -

Thanks for the positive news. Murray is right; we need to focus on the positive at this point.

I have a question for you regarding the popular vote. What do they do with states who only hold caucuses? Since the populus of a caucus state don't get to express their opinion via an actual vote, they can't possibly consider caucus votes as "popular" votes . . . or do they? :confused:

Thanks!
Well, we all know that caucus aren't reflective of the entire state's preferences, but I do have a breakdown of Primary Votes and the Caucus Results. They'll probably use the numbers as is for most of the caucus states, but might do an estimate for Iowa, Maine, Nevada, and Washington. I have those estimates done also, but of course they are just estimates.

No matter what, we aren't going to let these Popular Votes of Michigan and Florida slip through our fingers. She will realistically be ahead in the Popular Vote after Pennsylvania, and will continue to gain ground over the remaining elections even if she loses a few popular votes in other states.

CHARGE!

[evolin]

Being positive should not also walk blindfolded. Please stay wary and keep calling, canvasing, eyes open wide to any possible obstacles the DNC may have planned to place in front of HRC.
The track record of this DNC so far has not been positve in helping Hillary. I do not want to be paranoid but so far this race has ben unfair.
How about that Obama supporter who slipped into the Hillary campaign in, I believe Pennslvania?
Eyes open Guys!!!
Ev

[CQ4Hillary]

Exactly. It's very clear this is the case. It's dead even. And they (Obama campaign & his colluders) want to CHEAT the process by getting Hillary to "drop out" - wow, they want it so easy! It's completely laughable!! :) It's like being even in the final set of a tennis match and telling your opponent to "drop out" so you can win. Yeah right.

At least Mike huckabee had the good grace to turn it into a joke when he hoped his opponents would drop out of the race and make it easy for him. These people are not nearly as humble and yes they are scared for good reason. Hillary will beat him/them!

CQ

[Jayling]

If you haven't gone over to the official Hillary site (http://blog.hillaryclinton.com/blog/main/2008/03/24/152617) yet, please do. Peter Daou talks about the Myths that are being spread and to not fall into that trap.

I'm not gonna let go of the truth, and the truth is that currently Hillary is only down by 0.384% of the Popular Vote, and there's still around 6 million voters yet to go, of which she is favored in the majority of those states. Peter says it's less than 1%, and yes it is less, only 0.384%!

Once Pennsylvania zings in, Hillary will be ahead in the Popular Vote. And that lead will continue to grow even if she loses a few states along the way.

The People are on her side!