If Obama and the DNC thugs steal the nomination from Hillary, what will you do?

[EH]

I'd like to have an idea of what the majority thinks.

[SD]

i changed my party to republican. i refuse to remain loyal to a party that sold me out, is trying to sell out the remaining states, to crown "the man".

i remain loyal to senator clinton and she will have my vote. if the party has their way, i will vote for mccain. i respect him. i cannot stand even a minute more of "i am the uniter" slimey talk.

[Ohio mom]

I'd be afraid of writing her in and obama winning

[RachachaSharon]

I'd be afraid of writing her in and obama winning

I was going to write her in, but if she's not the nominee, I'll vote McCain.

[SD]

i refuse to believe obama will be crowned the nominee. but on the chance he is, i urge people to vote mccain. mccain is at least a proud american. we cannot remotely risk allowing that slimey hack to become president of a country he despises. that is not an option.

mccain is not stupid. (as opposed to moron bush) he is watching this play out. he will swing to include those of us who have been disenfranchised. if the unspeakable occurs, please consider mccain because at minimum, he loves this country and won't sell it out.

[freespirit]

I'd be afraid of writing her in and obama winning

I agree. I would rather vote for McCain - which I really really hate to do - than to take a chance on BO being prez. Funny how things can change so drastically. When the race first started, even though I was and have for years been a die hard Hillary fan, I thought I could support Obama if he won the nom. His failure to take a stand for fainess in the debates and the media were my first clues that he might not have a great deal of integrity. As things progressed, I became absolutely sure that he had none. Now, after pastor-gate and learning of some of his other sleazy actions and associates, I'm actually afraid of the man - as prez.

[pnevai]

The first will be to see if Hillary can be persuaded to run as a independent. If that fails I vote Nader.

[swannyj]

I'm hoping not to be faced with that scanario but if I am I will vote McCain. Although I would be attempted to simply not vote or write in Hillary I cannot take a chance on BO being elected. I shutter to think he would be in the position to appoint supreme court judges.

[Dawnelle]

You left out one choice

D - Plug your nose and vote for BO anyway

(not my personal choice)

[Jayling]

You left out one choice

D - Plug your nose and vote for BO anyway

(not my personal choice)
Not a bloody chance. This man is dangerous and divisive. There is no way he'll ever get my vote. Not a choice or chance at all.

[hillary4change]

I have been asked this question before. I said that collectively we as women would kick this around and come to some kind of meeting of the minds. We would probably do 1 of 3 things. But that we would try to unify in our decision to show our solidarity behind Senator Clinton. I can't remember who I wrote it to but it was a protest letter to someone. Here it is 1..3:
1) Vote Mccain
2)Write in Hillary
3)Use silence as our voice and stay home.

[diane]

I think the "Not Vote" needs more clarification... I mean I will go and Vote for the Dems across the board for any Congressional or District seats or whatever that may be upon the ballots.... however I will leave the lever for President untouched. So I will vote, just not for President. Afterall, BO will choose the same Supreme Court Justices that McCain will... so either way, women will have an anti-women President appointing anti-women men to continue trying to take our rights away. BO--A Neo-Con in Dem clothing.

[hillary4change]

I forgot that in that letter I also said that I hoped that Senator Clinton if kicked to the curb didn't run as an independant, we would then do 1 of the 3 things mentioned most likely.

[tommy]

they want Hillary out fast so they have time to heal and get support from Hillary voters in the next 5 months or so. that ain't happening and McCain is my next choice.

[hillary4change]

That was what I meant by "stay home" not vote for president.

[hillary4change]

The reason bo has suddenly given Hillary permission "as her Daddy, I guess!) is so that he doesn't look like a divider. He is starting to get heat for it. Remember Hillary on Greta talking about being muscled out and that she will go to the convention floor to fight this thing out!!!

[Patricia GA]

I cannot vote for Obama. What I do will depend on how the election looks in November. I would like to write in Hillary. It will hurt not to vote for her. But, if Obama has not been exposed by Hannity or someone in the media for all we know about him...then I will vote for McCain. We have to keep Obama out of the Oval Office. I do not wany anyone with such close ties to Rev Wright that honors Farakhan to be commander and chief. Also, Obama once had Black Panthers on their website and this hate group is not acceptable. Then there is the weak record Obama has when he served in Illinois...and now in the US Senate.

***Then there is the sensational stuff no one is touching in the media yet...if there is any truth to some of those stories...he is a closet Muslim/onthedownlow and doing cocaine not that long ago. ***

I do not know how much of the *** stuff is true...but there is enough confirmed information to know he must be stopped! So...no way can I vote anyway but the best way come November that will stop Obama.

[Suzan]

I'd like to have an idea of what the majority thinks.
I'm still debating. I don't want to vote for McCain. I've read some op-eds on his foreign policy positions over the years and it's pretty terrifying. There's a biography out on him, and I'd recommend everyone read it before making a decisions. My apologies that I don't have the title handy. I'll find it and repost.

I could change my mind about McCain, depending of what we hear from him when the primaries are over. I WILL NOT vote for Obama. Initially my only concern about BO was his lack of experience. I now have deep concerns. And I can't even imagine who he'll choose as his advisors.

[hillary4change]

My husband said if he has to he will support Mcsame to keep obama out. We have AlWAYS been Dems.

[hillary4change]

Like I posted before. Can you see the swearing in ceramony. Farrahkan yelling blue eyed devils and jewish slurs to the crowd. Ayers looking for the best local to put his best bomb ever (talk about a federal building). Then their is rezco jackin the White House china or trying to sell the lawn. And now to add to the cast of clowns Odinga raping the guests. God Help us all. Maybe obama will be so kind as to let Hillary make out the guest list. After all it is the least he could do!! Just venting, sorry!

[EH]

You left out one choice

D - Plug your nose and vote for BO anyway

(not my personal choice)

Maybe you've misunderstood one of the common denominators of this forum; I purposely left out the Obama option because we'd all rather walk while kneeling on hot coals before voting for him. The "falling in line" policy here doesn't hold!

[lucky-ann]

i would vote for McCain...but by the way I would maybe add "Vote Obama" to the possibilities ;) maybe we have even in this forum members for whom putting a democrat in the white house is most important...who knows...:p

[CGP]

i would vote for McCain...but by the way I would maybe add "Vote Obama" to the possibilities ;) maybe we have even in this forum members for whom putting a democrat in the white house is most important...who knows...:p

Bad polling behavior to add options after the poll has started!

Then again, ethics is not something the mainstream media or the Obama campaign are ever concerned about.

[CGP]

i would vote for McCain...but by the way I would maybe add "Vote Obama" to the possibilities ;) maybe we have even in this forum members for whom putting a democrat in the white house is most important...who knows...:p

Or you can respond in this thread also:

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=1792

[lucky-ann]

Bad polling behavior to add options after the poll has started!

okay, that's true ;):p

[SD]

every single vote for nader, or a write-in, is a help for obama. staying home is a help for obama. voting just to put a democrat in office doesn't seem a good idea to me. obama is not a democrat. he seems to want to be king, with michelle as queen.

mccain is a republican, sure, but he at least is a proud patriot and will not sell the country out to the wrights, farrakans, or kenya.

i will do every thing i can to keep that "king wannabe" out. it has come down to that for me. keeping obama out, period.

eta - i also will be, if given a chance, voting against every democratic senator/congressman who is keeping florida and michigan out and trying to force hillary out to crown their king. democrat be damned. this is no democracy. this is a sham.

[mjoynaples]

Not a bloody chance. This man is dangerous and divisive. There is no way he'll ever get my vote. Not a choice or chance at all.

It is hard to hear(I know I should not watch keep holding hope something negative about BO will be reported finally!) the pundits on George S's show this morning -for them it is a done deal and it is all about the DEM party and Barack their candidate and SHE IS doing the damage ... are we still in AMERICA? Brazille (SUPERDELEGATE FOR OBAMA but has yet declare publically -how is she one of these?) she is adamant that this only helps Mccain and this is GOING TO BE DONE before the summer and the SUPERDELEGATES WILL DO WHAT THEY WILL HAVE TO DO to end it in JUNE ... for some reason wasn't she one of the big proponents of NOT HAVING SUPERDELEGATES DECIDE because then there is the confusion that the SD has to vote with the way their state voted (thought that is not what the SD is suppose to necessarily do-the new rules for this year for dems to abide by) except that this only works for Obama because all of HILLARY DELEGATES for the STATES SHE WON...*(MA,NM and who else...Kerry, Kennedy and Richarson) are still endorsing BO...) The other big conversation is the implication is that MI and FL will not matter... WHAT??? have the dems lost their mind... I think so.... and then there was John Edwards over the weekend WHO THINKS THEY ARE BOTH VIABLE CANDIDATES AND EITHER WILL BE GOOD PRESIDENTS...WHAT IS UP WITH HIM??clearly not going to endorse Hillary...I know they don't work except in appearance polls....

I WILL NOT VOTE FOR BObama.. I wouldn't even hire for any job never mind the job of the PRESIDENT OF THE USA ... He doesn't work except to self-promote... and bash Hillary on one more thing... AND HOW DARE the PRESS go to him and ASK HIS PERMISSION FOR HER TO STILL RUN HER CAMPAIGN HE NEEDS TO BE OUT...PA, NC GUAM all the rest of the primaries YOU CAN DECIDE THIS UNAMIMOUSLY and make HER THE NOMINEE... WE NEED HILLARY without question to be the nominee for the 2008 GENERAL ELECTION and SHE WILL WIN HANDS DOWN.... WE NEED TO DONATE.. I am just about finshed as my total is to the limit-please we need to find a way give or call and keep blogging to get this out there SHE IS THE ONE for PRESIDENT!

[Tea toaD]

I will vote McCain if Hillary doesn't get the nod...:)

[mkreyns]

The first will be to see if Hillary can be persuaded to run as a independent. If that fails I vote Nader.

I wish that most of us would get together and agree on what to do and stick to it. I wanted to see a poll like this that I thought about yesterday. If everyone who is a Hillary supporter does the same thing I think it sends a stronger message. The way to keep Obama out completely is to vote for McCain because I think he will get the majority of the swing votes plus all the Republican support. If we write-in Hillary, it will send a strong message, Obama might win anyway. If we vote for Nader, I know FL and MI people said they would vote independent, but I don't know if all the supporters who do not like McCain or Obama would vote for him will be enough to counter the Obama support. What is the best answer?

This is why I think this forum is important as an agreement makes our voice and results stronger. I do not believe in McCains's platform, but he is better than Obama and would keep Obama out. A write-in would have to see how that would be counted too,

My choice voiding the majority rule would be Nader and I will tell you why. He wants to restore true democracy and his positions are very similar to Hillary's, especially on health care.. This is why I think he wrote the letter to Hillary to continue as long as she wants. I think Nader got into the race because Obama pulled ahead. Otherwise I think he would vote for Hillary.

See the blog on Nader's comments yesterday and check out his platform. If I knew he had a majority support and had a chance to win, my vote would be for Nader.

[mkreyns]

The first will be to see if Hillary can be persuaded to run as a independent. If that fails I vote Nader.

This is another good idea.

I think if the rest of the dirt on Obama comes out, which the news is hinting at, Obama doesn't have a Chinamen's chance to become the nominee. I have been writing to Fox News anchors to encourage them to get the details out on the following:
Rezko - Obama must be guilty of fraud and money laundering too.Iraq nuclear plant and oil money deals

Ayers and Dorhn - grassroots support, internal terrorism with Weather Underground.

Rev. Wright - Farrakhan, Lybia, Qadafi connections

Larry Sinclair - Donald Young, Nate Spencer and the involvement with cocaine drug deals, homosexual encounters, threats, Gay murder scandal involving Obama.

[mkreyns]

they want Hillary out fast so they have time to heal and get support from Hillary voters in the next 5 months or so. that ain't happening and McCain is my next choice.

They want Hillary out fast because they are afraid the rest of the dirty laundry will come out soon on Obama.

[SD]

This is another good idea.

I think if the rest of the dirt on Obama comes out, which the news is hinting at, Obama doesn't have a Chinamen's chance to become the nominee. I have been writing to Fox News anchors to encourage them to get the details out on the following:
Rezko - Obama must be guilty of fraud and money laundering too.Iraq nuclear plant and oil money deals

Ayers and Dorhn - grassroots support, internal terrorism with Weather Underground.

Rev. Wright - Farrakhan, Lybia, Qadafi connections

Larry Sinclair - Donald Young, Nate Spencer and the involvement with cocaine drug deals, homosexual encounters, threats, Gay murder scandal involving Obama.

the media already knows all about this. they are covering it up. once, and if, obama gets the nomination, mcain will have it all out there. it is in the republicans best interest, now, to keep quiet because they know hillary can beat them, and that obama will be a walk in the park.

obama must be stopped. if the dems proceed in forcing senator clinton out, mccain must win. obama as president cannot be allowed to happen. not an option. florida and michigan, and the remaining states the dems are trying to shut down, must must must stop this man. he is dangerous. mccain may be a conservative republican but he is not a danger to our country. please consider this when thinking of a write-in or not voting at all. going full out for mccain will send a very HUGE message to the dnc that we loyal democrats will NOT accept this. we will NOT "fall in line and be good little democrats doing what we are told".

[JCortese]

As women, we've all been told too many times to fall in line and "you don't want to tear the family apart, now do you?" when we have finally had enough of the neglect, dismissiveness, and flat-out oppression. They never seem to believe we're actually going to walk out on them until we just DO IT.

The Republicans are lying, vote-stealing thieves who nominated a cocky, arrogant, inexperienced little poseur who thought he could learn on the job. I will be damned before I will vote to put another cocky, arrogant, inexperienced little poseur who thought he could learn on the job in there after him.

What will a vote for Obama give us? Right now, we've got one party that is flat-out pure evil, demolishing democracy right and left at every opportunity, and one that is bumbling and ineffectual but at least not entirely evil. If the Democrats win with this garbage, we will have BOTH PARTIES playing this evil, disenfranchising game. There will be no hope. And we will never have another presidential election again where one state or the other isn't forced out in some sick, illegal game of chess. The country will be doomed.

It's Hillary or NOTHING. And I consider a vote for the repugnant John McCain a small price to pay to keep that from happening.

I'm a woman, pro-choice and liberal. But I've survived 8 years of Dumbass, and before that 12 years of Reagan and Papa Bush. To teach the Democratic party a lesson they will NEVER forget, I can hold on for another four years.

Not that the Dems will take this seriously, though -- like your ******* ex-boyfriend of ex-husband who thinks to himself, "Aaaah, she'll calm down and come back," they never seem to believe we'll actually walk out on them for good until we do it. I read one poster at Taylor Marsh who said the same thing, talking about her own experiences in that vein -- it was incredibly eloquent. How her ex never believed she wasn't coming back until she didn't. She had to pack small children into a rickety car to get out -- if she can do that, we can put our feet down on this.

This is the same thing. They will NEVER believe we can walk out on them until we do it. They think we're over the barrel on the choice issue and they can neglect us, ignore us, completely dismiss us. They're wrong. We've survived for 8 years with an anti-woman president who appointed a veterinarian as an adviser on women's health. If this is a game of chicken, we will WIN IT.

[JCortese]

Oh, and I know I'll be called a "racist" for it, but who else are they calling racist? The Clintons? They have offices in Harlem and have been tireless on behalf of healing the racial divide that still injures this country. Frankly, I can't think of any white people who have done more. Bill Clinton has put TONS of money and effort into his foundation to help stop the spread of AIDS in Africa. If that's a "racist," it's the kind of "racist" I can be with a clear conscience.

God, that still ticks me off. These are two good people, and a significant part of the African-American community has thrown them straight under the bus. And you know what?

They won't let it embitter them. You know they won't. You know they will still keep working on behalf of racial understanding, even when they were fed to the wolves over it, and after decades of hard work.

One more thing: If Pastor Wrong is excused for his hate speech, then I want to have the woman who wrote the SCUM Manifesto at a presidential breakfast, too. (I think she's dead, though.)

[Imwithhillary]

You put the situation so well. It's Hillary, or I walk.

[evolin]

every single vote for nader, or a write-in, is a help for obama. staying home is a help for obama. voting just to put a democrat in office doesn't seem a good idea to me. obama is not a democrat. he seems to want to be king, with michelle as queen.

mccain is a republican, sure, but he at least is a proud patriot and will not sell the country out to the wrights, farrakans, or kenya.

i will do every thing i can to keep that "king wannabe" out. it has come down to that for me. keeping obama out, period.

eta - i also will be, if given a chance, voting against every democratic senator/congressman who is keeping florida and michigan out and trying to force hillary out to crown their king. democrat be damned. this is no democracy. this is a sham.
I guess I have no right to say this as we are all independent voters from all parts of the country...but I WILL say this: We have no power as individuals but as a group of HRC supporters we have tremendous power and we need to forge a partnership together as a block of power for change.
Hillary has been dissed and maligned and as her supporters we have also been dissed and maligned. They disregard us and our most qualified candidate to promote this inexperienced, unvetted upstart and liar.
Even if we did fall in behind Obama he has no chance to be elected and why SHOULD we fall in behind a candidate we fear will bring more bad years to this country?
I say we join together as a block of votes and decide together how to proceed should Hillary be forced out.
Now I am not saying she will eventually be forced out and I will work each day..contribute, blog. telephone for her.
BUT WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER AS A GROUP AND DECIDE WHAT IS OUR NEXT MOVE IF THE WORST THING HAPPENS! BEING PREPARED IS ALWAYS A GOOD THING.
VOTING AS A BLOCK WILL HAVE ENORMOUS POWER!!
Maybe writing her in....or voting McCain ....but NOT voting or a vote for Nader is a vote for OBAMA and we cannot let him gain the Presidency. We owe that much to our country.

[brussell]

I would rather write her in, but I think it's too risky. So, I will vote for McCain.

[brussell]

I say we join together as a block of votes and decide together how to proceed should Hillary be forced out.
Now I am not saying she will eventually be forced out and I will work each day..contribute, blog. telephone for her.
BUT WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER AS A GROUP AND DECIDE WHAT IS OUR NEXT MOVE IF THE WORST THING HAPPENS! BEING PREPARED IS ALWAYS A GOOD THING.
VOTING AS A BLOCK WILL HAVE ENORMOUS POWER!!
Maybe writing her in....or voting McCain ....but NOT voting or a vote for Nader is a vote for OBAMA and we cannot let him gain the Presidency. We owe that much to our country.

YES, I couldn't agree more. And, I don't think it's too early to work on this. I will continue to fight for Hillary but we need a backup plan. We need to get everyone at this forum, as well as those at other pro-hill sites like hillaryis44.org, etc.

[Charlie Brown]

voters remorse I put I would write in Hillary but Wish I would of put Mccain. Sorry Hill we cant have Obama. :eek:

[AlexG]

If no Hillary, I would vote McCain and take no chance on Obama-winning possibility.

http://www.stop-obama.org/wp-content/uploads/fairrington.jpg

[jgilmore]

I think that if BO gets the party's nomination, all of us that are Democrats, should on the same day, change our affiliation to Independent. I think we need to notify the press as what is happening, have a spokesperson, and act in unity to send the message that the Hillary supporters will not go along to get along as the party expects. Or that, in other words, we will not be invisible in this election.

[SunnyInCal]

We must refuse to accept the DNC's false choice. They say, oh they'll get in line, they'll support the party in the end. They say it over and over. But why? Is McCain going to blow up the world? And why do political people think that we, as voters, will continue to accept the false choice, choosing the lesser of two evils. Then they say, oh well even if just a few percent of the people vote for McCain because Hillary didn't get the nomination it won't make a difference. Are they kidding? Presidents have won by a margin of less than 1% and they think a few percent is not a problem? They must think very highly of Obama indeed.

I will no longer make that false choice. I didn't vote for Kerry in 2004 and I will not vote for Obama or McCain.

I am writing in Hillary's name on my general election ballot if she is not the nominee. She represents me now, she will represent me then.

[SunnyInCal]

I think, with Nader in the running, McCain will win quite easily. Perhaps we can wait and see how things go.

I just know that I am sticking with Hillary even if I am the only one who writes her name in.

I would rather write her in, but I think it's too risky. So, I will vote for McCain.

[SunnyInCal]

Honestly, #3 is not an option for me and it should not be for us as women.

Women have remained silent for too long over too many things. We remain silent when men get the jobs and we don't. We remain silent when men get paid more than us. We remain silent when our representatives refuse to do their duties after we voted them in.

I won't remain silent in November. That's just me.

Our voice will be heard quite clearly when writing in Hillary :)


I have been asked this question before. I said that collectively we as women would kick this around and come to some kind of meeting of the minds. We would probably do 1 of 3 things. But that we would try to unify in our decision to show our solidarity behind Senator Clinton. I can't remember who I wrote it to but it was a protest letter to someone. Here it is 1..3:
1) Vote Mccain
2)Write in Hillary
3)Use silence as our voice and stay home.

[SunnyInCal]

I just had to tell you, I LOVED your post :) This is about more than politics. It is about women as a whole and how we are not taken seriously. "Oh they say that now, but they'll vote for Obama because they don't want McCain." They think we're stupid, plain and simple. They think they still dominate us. They're wrong.

As women, we've all been told too many times to fall in line and "you don't want to tear the family apart, now do you?" when we have finally had enough of the neglect, dismissiveness, and flat-out oppression. They never seem to believe we're actually going to walk out on them until we just DO IT.

The Republicans are lying, vote-stealing thieves who nominated a cocky, arrogant, inexperienced little poseur who thought he could learn on the job. I will be damned before I will vote to put another cocky, arrogant, inexperienced little poseur who thought he could learn on the job in there after him.

What will a vote for Obama give us? Right now, we've got one party that is flat-out pure evil, demolishing democracy right and left at every opportunity, and one that is bumbling and ineffectual but at least not entirely evil. If the Democrats win with this garbage, we will have BOTH PARTIES playing this evil, disenfranchising game. There will be no hope. And we will never have another presidential election again where one state or the other isn't forced out in some sick, illegal game of chess. The country will be doomed.

It's Hillary or NOTHING. And I consider a vote for the repugnant John McCain a small price to pay to keep that from happening.

I'm a woman, pro-choice and liberal. But I've survived 8 years of Dumbass, and before that 12 years of Reagan and Papa Bush. To teach the Democratic party a lesson they will NEVER forget, I can hold on for another four years.

Not that the Dems will take this seriously, though -- like your ******* ex-boyfriend of ex-husband who thinks to himself, "Aaaah, she'll calm down and come back," they never seem to believe we'll actually walk out on them for good until we do it. I read one poster at Taylor Marsh who said the same thing, talking about her own experiences in that vein -- it was incredibly eloquent. How her ex never believed she wasn't coming back until she didn't. She had to pack small children into a rickety car to get out -- if she can do that, we can put our feet down on this.

This is the same thing. They will NEVER believe we can walk out on them until we do it. They think we're over the barrel on the choice issue and they can neglect us, ignore us, completely dismiss us. They're wrong. We've survived for 8 years with an anti-woman president who appointed a veterinarian as an adviser on women's health. If this is a game of chicken, we will WIN IT.

[SantaCruzen]

I just had to tell you, I LOVED your post :) This is about more than politics. It is about women as a whole and how we are not taken seriously. "Oh they say that now, but they'll vote for Obama because they don't want McCain." They think we're stupid, plain and simple. They think they still dominate us. They're wrong.


Yeah, isn't that sexist to claim? Mom was right: men are stupid. :)
I did not mean Gay Mean... hehehehehehe

[SunnyInCal]

Okay, so I understand the strong desire to not allow Obama to take the White House. If you don't want to risk voting for Hillary here are some ideas.

1)Wait to see how your state is going. If it's going to be close then you can feel good in voting for McCain. If it's not going to be close, you can feel great and write-in Hillary. The state's electoral college is winner take all if I'm not mistaken. So it's not district by district like it is in the primaries.

2)REMAIN Democratic. How strong of a message will it be when the exit polls show repubs or indeps voting for McCain? Not too strong. How strong will it be when they show women dems voting for mccain? Very strong. So if you want to leave the party after they give the nom to Obama, fine, but come back just to make the statement that women dems did not want Obama. The exit polls won't ask, were you once a dem who turned indep/repu just to vote for mccain. The exit polls will show how many dems voted for mccain. That is what the DNC needs to see.

Just something to think about?

Then we all fax the DNC the day of the election and tell them we're not voting for Obama, neener neener neener. :)

[leahchamblee]

McCain
I am so angry with Teddy and the DNC, they have been annoying me for a while though ever since a popular female up for congressional election was passed over for a male so she didn't get the DNC money and lost by only a handful of votes.
I want to find a party that addresses the issues that affect women. I am so angry with the Dems right now. This election was in the bag. Obama will be crucified because he is ....he's like one of those guys that shake your hand and it's clammy, and limp....and it kinda freaks you out. NO THANKS.
I don't even think I'm a Democrat anymore this is how angry I am. He dissed his grandma, and no one said a word, I found that outrageous, he has no morals, no ethics, no concern but for himself and his own hidden agenda.
:mad:
I was going to write her in, but if she's not the nominee, I'll vote McCain.

[Annie]

I'd be afraid of writing her in and obama winning

Yup! Changing to Independent and voting McCain.

[lorieaselin]

In addition to choosing one of the options above to vote against Obama, I think that it would be a good idea to use specific strategies to target certain states for a specific purpose, for all those willing to help.

Example 1: I am in Georgia, a red state, which will go to McCain no matter what the Democratic voters do here. Every voter here can vote by absentee ballot, and it’s very easy to write in Hillary, which I plan to do, because it will send a very loud message to the Democratic Party. Perhaps other red states could be targeted for the same reason, but we would need to know if write in votes are possible and how easy it is to do write in votes. If it is not possible to do write in votes, then perhaps target a red state to vote for a third party, or not vote for president. Remember that these actions will in no way effect the outcome but they will send a very loud message.

Example 2: Determine if there any states which could possibly go to Hillary if it had a big enough push to write in her name, like Arkansas, Florida, or Michigan, where there is either a lot of strong Hillary supporters and/or the voters are really angry at the Democratic Party.

Example 3: For those who will not vote for president, push for them to go vote just for the down ticket offices, because that also sends a loud message.

Example 4: In states where it will be close between McCain and Obama, push for McCain to win the state.

Example 5: In states that will probably go to Obama, push all other options.

With several strategies to choose from, people who are uncomfortable with one strategy can pick another one that they are comfortable with. I think there are two goals involved here. The first goal is to defeat Obama in the general, and the second goal is to cast a protest vote so our voices will be heard by the Democratic Party.

Although voting for McCain is the best way in most states to ensure that Obama loses, the MSM will claim that a vote for McCain is a pat on the back for the continuation of the Bush administration, so that protest vote will not be heard very well.

I think the write in, third party, or not voting for president strategies in selected states will scream loudly as a protest vote, but will not help to defeat Obama. So I think we need to work hard on both strategies so neither gets lost.

Of course the Hillary campaign will not endorse or help out with any of these strategies. I think that this forum would be the ideal place to collect info and set strategies for all the states, if possible.

[EsmeraldaB]

I would want to write in Hillary's name and not vote Republican, but if that means Obama wins, then I'll have to pull the lever for McCain. Then I would do all I could to make sure he has a Democratic congress.

But who wants to resort to Plan B? I want Hillary up there! In the beginning I thought we had three good candidates in Hillary, Edwards and Obama. Turns out we only had two.

[shellyaz]

I was going to write Hilarys name in but I want to be heard.So I will vote for Mcain.I have never voted for a repbulican ever!I do not like Mcain but I want to show the DNC that Im not a file and rank person.

[Thekla]

My district (San Francisco) is as blue as they come and went to Hopey McUnity by 7% in the primary. If by some DNC policy fluke the nomination went to Chris Dodd, Dodd would win it over McSame. Pelosi gets it by about 80% here every time, and people don't even like her that much (not liberal enough - seriously). I could write in Gary Coleman if I was ornery enough that day. But I'll write in Hillary.

I would strongly urge people not to vote for McCain, however.

Here's why:

Responding to one of his supporters asking of Hillary Clinton, "How do we beat the bitch?" by laughing:
YouTube - McCain Supporter: "How Do We Beat the Bitch?"

Accusing (http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/003647.php) the Democrats of being sore losers and obstructionists motivated by partisan "bitterness" just because they had the temerity to not treat Condoleezza Rice's confirmation as Secretary of State as "a foregone conclusion."

Accusing (http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/04/murtha-too-emotional/) Vietnam veteran and Congressman Jack Murtha of being "too emotional" to be rational about the war.

Threatening (http://politicalwire.com/archives/2006/10/18/extra_bonus_quote_of_the_day.html)to commit suicide if the Democrats won a majority in the Senate.

Using (http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/blogs/politicalticker/2007/03/mccain-apologizes-after-using-phrase.html)the racially-charged and highly inappropriate term "tar baby."

Singing about bombing Iran: YouTube - Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran

Responding (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2003674158_mccain20.html) to criticisms of that hilarious little ditty by snapping: "Please, I was talking to some of my old veterans friends. My response is, lighten up and get a life," without, naturally, the merest glimmer of irony that he'd been casually joking about taking lives.

Telling Jon Stewart (http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=85762&title=sen.-john-mccain-pt.-1) he'd brought him an IED from Iraq as a gift.

Responding (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3082244) to Congressman Murtha's criticism of that hilarious joke with: "All I'm going to say to Murtha and others. … Lighten up and get a life," to which Atrios said what ought to have been obvious to any halfwit but eluded the evidently witless McCain: "The point is that dead troops and other victims are no longer capable of getting 'a life'."

Erupting (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2007/05/mccain_cornyn_cursing_showdown.html) at fellow Republican Senator John Cornyn in a meeting about immigration legislation, during which McCain accused Cornyn of raising a concern just to torpedo a legislative deal, "used a curse word associated with chickens," and shouted "[Expletive] you! I know more about this than anyone else in the room!"

Sending McCain onto the global stage to be our national representative could make this...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/shakespeares_sister/reusables/merkel.png

...a fond memory of the days when we had a President who merely creeped out foreign dignitaries by being a douche, but at least never screamed, "**** you, cocksucker!" at them.

ETA: Most of you live in non-swing states. Non-swing districts at least. Write Hillary in. Especially if you're in Michigan or Florida! You probably won't have to, but if you do, write her in. That's the strongest message you can send. She may even win the election w/out getting the nomination if enough people write her in. That would rule hardcore.

[shellyaz]

My distain for Obama,DNC,and the so called liberal radio or media who has been tring to shove Obama crap down my throat every day since Iowa does not compare to my dislike for Mcain.I will vote for Mcain if Obama gets the nomantion I will be able to handle that knowing what Mcain stands for.

[Thekla]

My distain for Obama,DNC,and the so called liberal radio or media who has been tring to shove Obama crap down my throat every day since Iowa does not compare to my dislike for Mcain.I will vote for Mcain if Obama gets the nomantion I will be able to handle that knowing what Mcain stands for.

NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

[evolin]

Your stratagy sounds effective. I KNOW this state will go Republican if Obama is the nominee. I will help that along and will hesitate to vote for some ofthe congressional offices.
I hear Obama is floating Ohio gov. Strictland for VP as a way to get Ohio. I don't think Strictland will accept.

[ahorner]

This is the most important issue: will Hillary supporters back Obama.

The DNC has one mission: to elect Democrats.

It is they who need to understand that they will lose the White House if Hillary does not get the nomination.

The Democratic Party is going to have to face a decision: offend and anger African Americans, or, offend and anger women.

We women will be the ones offended; it has always been that way.

Unless the Democratic Party knows we will vote for McCain.

They have to know this, and we've got to make it clear. Now.

[Thekla]

I don't want to offend and anger African Americans any more than I want to offend and anger women.
African Americans are favoring Obama by big numbers, but the bulk of the Obama Fan Club seems to me like a bunch of overprivileged frat boys, not African Americans.
To my knowledge, Hillary and her surrogates and supporters haven't been as vindictive as the Obama side, so they haven't alienated the Obama supporters who would have to cross over in November. The biggest thing that's come out is Geraldine Ferraro's statement, and Obama's said the same things she did. (http://obama.senate.gov/news/050626-when_it_comes_to_race_obama_ma/). So has Andrew Sullivan (ttp://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200712/obama).

[rene.d]

I've mentioned in another thread that I used to be of the "anyone but" opinion.
Then I decided to get to know McCain a little better, and Thekla your links above are appreciated.
McCain was definitely a lot prettier with the lights off, if you know what I mean.
That joke he made about Chelsea was so disturbing, because it clearly wasn't "off the cuff" like some of his other gaffes.

Anyway, just wanted to say that this election has been really educational for me. I've been reading up on protest votes and the history of NOTA.

There's some good info at wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protest_vote

Allow me to quote here for laughs: "In the United States, cartoon characters are typically used as protest votes; as Mickey Mouse is the most well-known and well-recognized character in the United States, his name is frequently selected for this purpose. (Other popular selections include Donald Duck and Bugs Bunny.) This phenomenon has the humorous effect of causing Mickey Mouse to be a minor but perennial contestor of nearly all recent U.S. presidential elections."

[Thekla]

That joke he made about Chelsea was so disturbing, because it clearly wasn't "off the cuff" like some of his other gaffes.

Oh, yeah. That one too. McCain's awful.

Also, his "solution" (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9246.html) to the subprime mortgage housing crisis is to tell people to get in their time machines and not have gotten subprime mortgages in the first place. Plus he sold a list of his supporters' names to one subprime lender for $3M, which he used to campaign in NH.

There's that sweet sweet compassionate conservatism.

And, in his own words, he "doesn't really understand economics," (http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/22/can-this-be-true/) which will serve us well in digging ourselves out of this debt to China we're eyebrows deep in.

[BooskerD]

If Barack wins the democratic nomination, I will vote for McCain. I'm afraid that writing in a candidate or voting third party will be "giving" my vote to Obama. Make no mistake, I want the DNC to see for themselves what happens when they hobble the democratic process the way they have. There is no way I will fall into line and vote for that man.

[EngCindy]

I am voting for Hillary today and tommorrow.

A protest vote is better than picking between two evils; in my opinion.

The DNC knows they can't win, without Hillary's supporters.....hell, WE ARE 1/2 of this party, as I understand the popular votes. So, if 1/2 goes to the write-in; it would say that McCain wins, right ?

My principles tell me to stay where I made my first choice....Hillary !

We are not out of this; even through August. We, as a collective group, can help get the word out, to vote Hillary as write-in; especially in Florida and Michigan.

Obama CAN'T TAKE THE WHITE HOUSE WITHOUT US !

I can't go against my grain, by voting for the 100 year War guy.......If he wins,well so be it; but it will not be with my help !

[Leekosagrios]

I will definitely be voting for McCain.

There is no way we can let in that fraud that is Obama in the White HOuse. His message of lies and his immoral tactics to win (libelous flyers, comments, emails, etc.) are pathetic, and I will not let the media tell me who to vote for.

If it is possible to remain a Democrat and vote for McCain, that would give people a clear message of how POff we are.

[Cricket22]

The media, specifically the Washington Post political journalists, think that Hillary supporters will smart for a while and then vote for Obama if the worst happens and he gets the nomination. They really do not understand the depth of my thoughts and feelings about this issue. I will either not vote for President or write in Hillary if that does not delete my other votes that day. My decision will NOT change between now and Nov 11.

[Cricket22]

I can no longer stand to watch MSNBC and the other cable channels that are all obama all the time. Do their CEO's not care that about half the Democrats and Independents are FOR Hillary? Do they not care that they are losing money by their blatant partisanship? I guess Republicans have enough money that they don't miss what falls by the wayside. I am a political junkie but this anti-Hillary thing has just finished off what Bush started. This country has gone to hell.

[memphis]

In addition to choosing one of the options above to vote against Obama, I think that it would be a good idea to use specific strategies to target certain states for a specific purpose, for all those willing to help.

Example 1: I am in Georgia, a red state, which will go to McCain no matter what the Democratic voters do here. Every voter here can vote by absentee ballot, and it’s very easy to write in Hillary, which I plan to do, because it will send a very loud message to the Democratic Party. Perhaps other red states could be targeted for the same reason, but we would need to know if write in votes are possible and how easy it is to do write in votes. If it is not possible to do write in votes, then perhaps target a red state to vote for a third party, or not vote for president. Remember that these actions will in no way effect the outcome but they will send a very loud message.

Example 2: Determine if there any states which could possibly go to Hillary if it had a big enough push to write in her name, like Arkansas, Florida, or Michigan, where there is either a lot of strong Hillary supporters and/or the voters are really angry at the Democratic Party.

Example 3: For those who will not vote for president, push for them to go vote just for the down ticket offices, because that also sends a loud message.

Example 4: In states where it will be close between McCain and Obama, push for McCain to win the state.

Example 5: In states that will probably go to Obama, push all other options.

With several strategies to choose from, people who are uncomfortable with one strategy can pick another one that they are comfortable with. I think there are two goals involved here. The first goal is to defeat Obama in the general, and the second goal is to cast a protest vote so our voices will be heard by the Democratic Party.

Although voting for McCain is the best way in most states to ensure that Obama loses, the MSM will claim that a vote for McCain is a pat on the back for the continuation of the Bush administration, so that protest vote will not be heard very well.

I think the write in, third party, or not voting for president strategies in selected states will scream loudly as a protest vote, but will not help to defeat Obama. So I think we need to work hard on both strategies so neither gets lost.

Of course the Hillary campaign will not endorse or help out with any of these strategies. I think that this forum would be the ideal place to collect info and set strategies for all the states, if possible.
Excellent suggestion. I hope everyone reads this.

[samkm]

If no Hillary, I would vote McCain and take no chance on Obama-winning possibility.

http://www.stop-obama.org/wp-content/uploads/fairrington.jpg

Ditto. Cannot afford Barack in the office, for SO MANY REASONS!!!

I am wondering why the party elders cant see it. He would be a disaster for the country.

I would rather take McCain EVEN THOUGH I DONT LIKE HIS STATEMENT ABOUT THE WAR!!!! At least I know he is patriotic and he will not bring Wright-led administration and have Rezko by his side. We dont have to hear Michelle's lack of pride in America and more 37 minute lecture to obfuscale what problems they dont have. They can keep their mink coat by the way.