Clinton v Obama: Who is more "electable" as a president against John McCain?

[CGP]

As we know there is lots of propaganda out there that says that Obama would do better against John McCain in a general election than Hillary would. I disagree with this notion 100%. I have written something which I will post later. In the meantime, if anyone else has some views on this topic, please speak up!

Who would be more likely to win in November against the GOP: Clinton or Obama?

Put forward some reasons to justify your answer:)

[Bless]

It would be a sad day for Democrats if Osama is nominated, sorry, I mean Obama, McCain is going to sweep the floor with him, there’s to-much unknown about Obama and McCain is going to exploit that.

On the other hand Hillary life in politics has been an open book, she has been serving the American people for decades, there’s no doubts she has the experience, the skill and the know how to get things done and Hillary is real change.

This is a great opportunity for the American people to elect a female president for the first time; you want change that is change. Grab it with both hands.

Media hype and star-boy status can’t run America but hard work and experience can.

[CGP]

This is how I responded on one of the Meeting Up groups:

I do not for one moment think that Obama is more electable than Clinton in a general election. The notion, to me, is ridiculous. It is so blatantly obvious why the GOP is pushing for Obama to win the Dem nomination and that is because he is a much easier target to defeat than Clinton is. Let's face it, Clinton has endured Republican attacks for 15 years - and she's still standing strong. Obama meanwhile is a little lamb waiting to be eaten alive and the Republicans know it. Why people cannot see this astounds me. Such naiivity!

Rest assured if Obama gets the nomination the Republicans will do all manner of horrible things to bring his character into question - they will do all of the things the Clinton campaign has not been allowed to do or has chosen not to do. Be prepared for a campaign of total smear and fear which plays on Obama's islamic heritage and links that in with the war on terror and America's safety. It's all so predictable.

The current polls which compare Obama v McCain and Clinton v McCain are also completey USELESS! They tell us NOTHING! Everyone knows that the polls in six months time will tell a completely different story. Taking notice of what these polls say now is like giving great attention and value to what the Democratic nomination polls said six months back - well, how far was Hillary back then and look where she is now! These kind of general election match-up polls do nothing more than mislead and confuse the public.

It's so infuriating this entire fiasco. It's so obvious that the likes of CNN and others have entered into some sick coalition with Obama to defeat Clinton. And so far the Media/Obama ticket is doing a good job of that. Analysis of last night's debate provides yet more evidence of MSM's willingness to misrepresent reality for the sole purpose of advancing Obama's cause. In my mind, Hillary Clinton floored Obama on just about every issue - she showed a superior level of knowledge and superior capacity to argue her position, time and time again. And yet, still, the media distorts this to elevate the weaker candidate. It is indeed appalling and irresponsible journalism!

I am tired of the hoax! The hoax being the Media's ongoing efforts to deceive the public and convince them that Obama is some great political savior and that Hillary is a tired, worn-out, has been. Disgraceful. If this was a normal job selection process, Obama would have been excluded at the resume stage. Sure, Obama may have more "pop star appeal" (whatever value that adds) than Clinton but that's about it. In every category that actually counts - experience, knowledge, political skill, strength of character, resolve - Clinton wins in a landslide! If the Media/Obama coalition is eventually successful in deluding the public into believing Obama is a stronger candidate than Clinton they will have successfully pulled off one of the greatest political hoaxes of all time!

[BooskerD]

It's so infuriating this entire fiasco. It's so obvious that the likes of CNN and others have entered into some sick coalition with Obama to defeat Clinton. And so far the Media/Obama ticket is doing a good job of that. Analysis of last night's debate provides yet more evidence of MSM's willingness to misrepresent reality for the sole purpose of advancing Obama's cause. In my mind, Hillary Clinton floored Obama on just about every issue - she showed a superior level of knowledge and superior capacity to argue her position, time and time again. And yet, still, the media distorts this to elevate the weaker candidate. It is indeed appalling and irresponsible journalism!

I am tired of the hoax! The hoax being the Media's ongoing efforts to deceive the public and convince them that Obama is some great political savior and that Hillary is a tired, worn-out, has been. Disgraceful. If this was a normal job selection process, Obama would have been excluded at the resume stage. Sure, Obama may have more "pop star appeal" (whatever value that adds) than Clinton but that's about it. In every category that actually counts - experience, knowledge, political skill, strength of character, resolve - Clinton wins in a landslide! If the Media/Obama coalition is eventually successful in deluding the public into believing Obama is a stronger candidate than Clinton they will have successfully pulled off one of the greatest political hoaxes of all time!

Eloquently put, Murray. I don't understand the media/Obama love affair that's been going on. Hillary bested Obama last night and all I hear on the radio this morning is how cool, calm and collected Obama was. This is doubtless the weirdest thing I have ever witnessed during an election year. Hillary is far more knowledgeable and experienced, by far the better candidate.

[CGP]

Eloquently put, Murray. I don't understand the media/Obama love affair that's been going on. Hillary bested Obama last night and all I hear on the radio this morning is how cool, calm and collected Obama was. This is doubtless the weirdest thing I have ever witnessed during an election year. Hillary is far more knowledgeable and experienced, by far the better candidate.

Five minutes into MSNBC's post-debate analysis last night I had to turn away as already they were RECONSTRUCTING REALITY to deceive the public into thinking Obama won. It's an absolute FIASCO! She slammed him on just about every topic and then on the topics he did ok with it was usually because he copied her answers!!?? The media coverage of this election has completely eroded my trust in mainstream media to provide "news" and "balanced analysis". The media has chosen the Democratic nominee. We just have to hope that enough people who support real democracy, and who have a taste for REALITY, will vote for Hillary on March 4th. There is less than 7 days to prevent disaster!!! The disaster being the public being fooled and decieved into voting for Obama on a mass scale. Those from Obamaland dismiss this analysis as the "media conspiracy theory". It ain't no theory, it's FACT.

[skc1976]

As we know there is lots of propaganda out there that says that Obama would do better against John McCain in a general election than Hillary would. I disagree with this notion 100%. I have written something which I will post later. In the meantime, if anyone else has some views on this topic, please speak up!

Who would be more likely to win in November against the GOP: Clinton or Obama?

Put forward some reasons to justify your answer:)

Personally, I think Clinton stands a better chance against McCain in November for a few reasons:

1) The media will probably fall out of love with Obama at some point in time. It can't continue to go on, especially when people are catching on to this fact.

2) The GOP will dig up everything possible on Obama that they can find, even that F that he got in coloring for copying the person next to him. And I have a feeling there's more to find out on him, hence why the GOP seems very interested in getting him into the position.

3) I seem to think that if Clinton does not get the nod, there is going to be a good chunk of her supporters that will move over to McCain rather than Obama. I think that Obama would need to secure at least 60% of her supporters to stay competitive and I'm not sure right now he could do that.

4) Florida is a key state in November and with his not supporting them, or Michigan, in relation to their delegates, this could work against him, especially if it goes to the convention.

5) When it comes down to the issues, McCain will present a much more concise stance and will be much more detailed than Obama. If "the proof is in the pudding," McCain has more of that ingredient than Obama does.

6) While there is an anti-Iraq sentiment that's still strong in America, I trust McCain to handle Iraq a lot better than Obama. I think Obama is going to be irresponsible in pulling out which could harm us a lot worse than staying in. Tim Russert touched on this last night and Obama wasn't convincing to me in his answer. Not to mention, I got the feeling that he just wants to move troops from Iraq to Afghanistan.

7) If Clinton is not the nominee and happens to run as an Independent, he can kiss it goodbye!

Reasons I think that Clinton can beat McCain:

1) The new poll out today showed that in relation to the economy, she had a 10 point lead on him, and he had a 9 point lead on Obama. If the economy is still struggling around November, which is during the Christmas season, and people are feeling the pinch, I think this is an area in which she makes major in roads with him.

2) The Democratic base has favored Clinton to Obama while he seems to be pulling Independents and GOP. Honestly, I think in November, the Independents and GOP will back McCain while Clinton would hold the Democratic base.

3) She's fought for Florida and Michigan and I think that they will remember this come the election. Florida is a very important state for the Democrats.

4) Clinton is winning mostly in the blue states and Obama in the red states. Those red states will not be ones he can pick off as they are usually solid for the GOP, like Virginia, where he's already 10 points behind McCain. Clinton can hold the Democratic states far better than Obama will be able to.

5) The GOP is going to have a tough time finding stuff out on Clinton that isn't already known. She's been in the public eye for years on years and that would be a benefit to withstanding the assault that the GOP will put on the nominee.

6) I think that where Obama is waffling on campaign financing, which would be huge if McCain can hold him to it, Clinton never agreed on it. Clinton will be able to raise a great deal more money, I think, to McCain. When she's needed it, she's been able to raise it. If Obama gets out of it, then McCain has an advantage on him because of his flip-flop.

These are just some of the reasons that I think Clinton will fare better than McCain will. Definitely something interesting to think about.

Murray, I really enjoyed your posting on this. Very concise and informative! Thanks for starting this topic!

[Bless]

It is clear Obama inexperience already taking effect, just look at the people around him making foolish comments, one only have to imagine what will happen if he is nominated

[CGP]

It is clear Obama inexperience already taking effect, just look at the people around him making foolish comments, one only have to imagine what will happen if he is nominated

True.

Thanks for reigniting this topic too - I had forgoten I had even written about this!

[G4Hillary]

Simple, the most electable is obviously Hillary.

Why? The deal breaker itself: Imagine a video of Obama's Pastor played over and over again on various stations across America by 527 groups. Unless the Dems just want to give the Presidency as a gift to McCain.

[Bless]

After Wright comments we know who is wrong for the Whitehouse

[Bless]

Now we have to ask, why is Obama still in the race?

[Ebinger]

No question about it, Hillary's by far the better candidate to face off against McCain. She's probably be able to win POTUS, but it would be pretty close - they are both experienced, capable politicans with some baggage, but old and wornout decades-old baggage (Keating 5, Travelgate).

They both have their detractors on the far left and right, in about equal numbers. Hillary and McCain have the centrist appeal, to the "swing voters" that really always decide a presidential election. A debate between the two would be informative and probably end up in a draw.

But Obama, forget it, McCain won't even have to get out of his rocking chair - all he's have on John McCain was "youth" and the empty rhetoric of hope and change. McCain would have...........lemmmee see...........everything else.

[jencul]

My two memories of this race will be Hillary in New Hampshire worried about the country and that GD america video of wright, that video on its own would make mccain potus over obama.

[Hillarysmygirl08]

I think the Whitey video and more are going to come out. He's a terrible nominee he is going to get crushed by McCain and hopefully Hillary. Plus everytime someone hits him hard he gets all nervous and acts like he is going to cry hardly Commander and Chief material. He is going to be toast.

[santafegal]

I think there are too many groups of people out there who feel (rightly) that Obama just does not represent their interests.

I also think that the Republicans will get more people to vote for McCain.

The Democratic party made a fatal mistake by thinking that Hillary's 18 million supporters will "come around" and vote for Obama.

He will lose.

[Robin Orlowski]

I'm seeing the foolish responses in my neighborhood. Yesterday, the local BO organizer continued banging his head against the wall in a figurative sense.

He was upset myself and other people with disabilities were not supporting the only candidate who had skipped the 'disability position forum' which was being sponsored by a coalition of national civil rights groups.

And we were also supposed to get excited about a candidate who will continue letting the health insurance companies continue denying us health care coverage--the supporter ironically included!

So where is this change? Why would anybody honestly want a candidate who is going to hurt us and our existence?

[CGP]

Now more than ever HC's superior "electability" is like the pink elephant in the room that the DNC dare not mention!

[Soren]

Yes - you can 'feel' it: the country wants someone other than Obama and someone other than McCain. The country wants change and Obama even more than McCain has proven he is not capable of it.

Hillary is the one - and she'd never be the bombast that he was, proclaiming he was the one, he was the one we had all been waiting for and all this egohyperbole Axelrod, in his ManchurianCandidateMania, dreamed up.

They both did a session in early May or so on faith on CNN - not many watched it, but Hillary was magnificent. Obama came on after her and he was pale, copied her answers, and spoke only from his secular self.

I want to believe that Hillary is our destiny and that there will be a great sigh of relief among most Americans and even among most people on earth when they realize it. Most people - even people who think of themselves as informed - believe that she dropped out. People do not follow the news.

Hillary must take this to Denver - why not? it's the way; it is right. There can be no compromise with destiny.

[Charlie Brown]

Clinton hands down....and the men are running scared....The wimpy men that is...:D