NEW MEMBERS: How Did You Find This Forum?

[CGP]

Always helpful to know how people found there way here...

Do tell.

[Ranger375]

I actually saw a post on another board quoting this board regarding a story about the election.

I started looking around here and began to wonder how so much information could be collected so fast. I then realized the people here were very serious and didn't just talk about it -- they acted on it.

I also found out very quickly that my viewpoints and those of most on this board were in alignment.

From that point -- I was the kid in the candy store looking through the window and waiting for the store to open.

[Spang]

I was doing a search on Google looking for the validity of the Bill Lear, Jr. email and came upon this thread (http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?p=487910).

[tired]

I'm pretty sure I heard some good words spoken about HCF on a Christian forum that doesn't allow links to other forums, so I googled to find it.

I've read your forums for months, bookmarked it the first time I found the site because I realized that it was not only well organized, but very up-to-date with the loads of good information.

[mjsjones]

I actually saw a post on another board quoting this board regarding a story about the election.

I started looking around here and began to wonder how so much information could be collected so fast. I then realized the people here were very serious and didn't just talk about it -- they acted on it.

I also found out very quickly that my viewpoints and those of most on this board were in alignment.

From that point -- I was the kid in the candy store looking through the window and waiting for the store to open.

This is almost exactly my story and feeling about it. :-) I forget now which other forum linked to a story here, or which story, but suffice to say - I found it the same way and had the same feeling of "I wish I could post...!" :)

[TheTaoOfBill]

I found it in a thread at an Obama group laughing at all the crazy Hillary supporters.

[Meg]

I found it in a thread at an Obama group laughing at all the crazy Hillary supporters.


That's just lovely.:p

[marc]

Word Of Mouth And Loved The Forum But Now That The Obots Will Be Here Forget It. Not Worht Posting Anymore.this Board Will Be So Drama Filled It Will Make People Get Brain Damaged And Get Banned.

[TheTaoOfBill]

Word Of Mouth And Loved The Forum But Now That The Obots Will Be Here Forget It. Not Worht Posting Anymore.this Board Will Be So Drama Filled It Will Make People Get Brain Damaged And Get Banned.

I know! It's so not even worth posting here anymore that I'm going to make a post here about how not worth posting here it has become.

[ConservativeChick]

That's just lovely.:p

Yea, and I think he's actually telling the truth ;)

You can tell from the tone of hatred in some of the new peoples' posts that they probably got a link off of an Obama forum or an Anti-Hillary/McCain forum.

Just saying. :D

[Meg]

Yea, and I think he's actually telling the truth ;)

You can tell from the tone of hatred in some of the new peoples' posts that they probably got a link off of an Obama forum or an Anti-Hillary/McCain forum.

Just saying. :D


I wouldn't doubt it.;)

[TheTaoOfBill]

Yea, and I think he's actually telling the truth ;)

You can tell from the tone of hatred in some of the new peoples' posts that they probably got a link off of an Obama forum or an Anti-Hillary/McCain forum.

Just saying. :D

I posted a link in an Obama group telling people they opened up the forum and if anyone was up for defending Obama's ideals they should join...

...my bad

[Meg]

I posted a link in an Obama group telling people they opened up the forum and if anyone was up for defending Obama's ideals they should join...

...my bad


Oh... not a good thing!:eek: I don't need Obama supporters I'm going to curse out!

[ConservativeChick]

I posted a link in an Obama group telling people they opened up the forum and if anyone was up for defending Obama's ideals they should join...

...my bad

lol, defending is fine! But the problem is people are joining with hateful posts that are not getting anyone anywhere.. they're just trying to cause a reaction and get people riled up. It doesn't get us anywhere :rolleyes:

[OBAMABOY]

I've known of this forum for a long time. after the election I have been cleaning out my election bookmarks and saw the forum going to middle of the road and I thought why not join and pop in to say howdy!

i've seen it mentioned many times on various news outlets and was not able to join those times.

[MrSandMan]

I forget how I stumbled across the forum. I've been reading posts here for months.

[Ranger375]

Think about what has happened here in the last few minutes or so.

It is evident what we are up against...and that is highly motivated emptiness.

Not to stereotype but it is like this everywhere. When you try to engage them legitimately it becomes apparent quickly if they are really seeking to understand or inflame emotions.

The best way to handle them, if you chose to, is to acknowledge their post and then don't engage.

If someone can make you mad and get you to react then they think they control you. Just make them irrelevant and spend your energies on discussion issues with those with which you share common ground.

[MrSandMan]

lol, defending is fine! But the problem is people are joining with hateful posts that are not getting anyone anywhere.. they're just trying to cause a reaction and get people riled up. It doesn't get us anywhere :rolleyes:

Murray suggested that we use the http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/images/buttons/report.gif icon to report racist, sexist, hate, trolls and etc...

[TheTaoOfBill]

lol, defending is fine! But the problem is people are joining with hateful posts that are not getting anyone anywhere.. they're just trying to cause a reaction and get people riled up. It doesn't get us anywhere :rolleyes:

I did specifically say in the post for people to not make an ass of themselves and that I fully expect anyone there who is there to rub faces in the mud will be banned. If that makes you feel better.

[JuseHedd]

forums.sohh.com

[Qs2RNS]

lol, defending is fine! But the problem is people are joining with hateful posts that are not getting anyone anywhere.. they're just trying to cause a reaction and get people riled up. It doesn't get us anywhere :rolleyes:

I agree, defending him is okay just as long as it's not trashy or full of negativity. A debate is always a good thing just as long as it's civil.

[OBAMABOY]

Word Of Mouth And Loved The Forum But Now That The Obots Will Be Here Forget It. Not Worht Posting Anymore.this Board Will Be So Drama Filled It Will Make People Get Brain Damaged And Get Banned.

red rover red rover let marc come over!!!

I promise I don't bite.

[onthemove]

I specifically googled for a "Hillary Clinton Forum" after it became clear to me that the Dem's had thrown Hillary to the wolves and simply given the nomination to Obama. I couldn't believe the way that happened, literally overnight. I wanted to see if I had missed something, or if it really had been simply snatched away from her by the powers that be.

[mjno7777]

I found it in a thread at an Obama group laughing at all the crazy Hillary supporters.

This group of OBAMA supporters are what most find scary.

[Latina4Hillary]

:confused::confused:I found it in a thread at an Obama group laughing at all the crazy Hillary supporters.:confused::confused::confused:

This is offensive. I wonder if you laughed, too.

[ILBlue]

I posted a link in an Obama group telling people they opened up the forum and if anyone was up for defending Obama's ideals they should join...

...my bad

Yeh.......:p

[TheTaoOfBill]

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

This is offensive. I wonder if you laughed, too.

I giggled a little :D

[Peppermint Patty]

I posted a link in an Obama group telling people they opened up the forum and if anyone was up for defending Obama's ideals they should join...

...my bad

Yup, your bad. Very bad. Very disrespectful to come to our forum and refer to Hillary's supporters as those crazy Hillary supporters.:mad:

You bot!:D:p:D

Hope and change, hope and change, hope and change... oh, did your messiah have any OTHER message besides that one???? :rolleyes:

[TheTaoOfBill]

Yup, your bad. Very bad. Very disrespectful to come to our forum and refer to Hillary's supporters as those crazy Hillary supporters.:mad:

You bot!:D:p:D

Hope and change, hope and change, hope and change... oh, did your messiah have any OTHER message besides that one???? :rolleyes:

reported as disrespectful.

[ILBlue]

Okay let me see if I get this right. You were busy during the Primaries and the election having fun antagonizing people .

Now the election is over you just don't know what to do with yourselves. You are looking for some fresh blood to spill.

Did I get that right?

Oops no need to respond...:rolleyes:

[TheTaoOfBill]

Okay let me see if I get this right. You were busy during the Primaries and the election having fun antagonizing people .

Now the election is over you just don't know what to do with yourselves. You are looking for some fresh blood to spill.

Did I get that right?

Oops no need to respond...:rolleyes: Who are you talking to?

[Foggy]

A guy on my main forum posted a link to this place. I couldn't join, because registration was locked. But I lurked and read a while ...

I had trouble believing what I saw. The people here were all of a single viewpoint. I'm used to a forum being a place where people on all sides of the political spectrum argue and bicker with each other. Here, every single member was preachin' to the choir.

Even better, everybody ignored Hillary completely. She got up at the convention and asked, "Did you support me because of me, or because of the issues I've fought for all my life?"

And the answer here was, "We supported you because of you. We don't care at all about the issues you've fought for all your life. In fact, we're anxious to betray all the issues you've fought for all your life. We now support McCain: pro war, pro life, conservative John McCain, and his even more conservative running mate."

I wonder if Hillary has seen this site? I wonder what she'd think, to see you betray all her ideals in her name?

Y'all are in desperate need of a little truthiness ...

[TheTaoOfBill]

A guy on my main forum posted a link to this place. I couldn't join, because registration was locked. But I lurked and read a while ...

I had trouble believing what I saw. The people here were all of a single viewpoint. I'm used to a forum being a place where people on all sides of the political spectrum argue and bicker with each other. Here, every single member was preachin' to the choir.

Even better, everybody ignored Hillary completely. She got up at the convention and asked, "Did you support me because of me, or because of the issues I've fought for all my life?"

And the answer here was, "We supported you because of you. We don't care at all about the issues you've fought for all your life. In fact, we're anxious to betray all the issues you've fought for all your life. We now support McCain: pro war, pro life, conservative John McCain, and his even more conservative running mate."

I wonder if Hillary has seen this site? I wonder what she'd think, to see you betray all her ideals in her name?

Y'all are in desperate need of a little truthiness ...

STAMP!!

[Meg]

Even better, everybody ignored Hillary completely. She got up at the convention and asked, "Did you support me because of me, or because of the issues I've fought for all my life?"

And the answer here was, "We supported you because of you. We don't care at all about the issues you've fought for all your life. In fact, we're anxious to betray all the issues you've fought for all your life. We now support McCain: pro war, pro life, conservative John McCain, and his even more conservative running mate."

I wonder if Hillary has seen this site? I wonder what she'd think, to see you betray all her ideals in her name?

Y'all are in desperate need of a little truthiness ...


Okay 1, DO NOT lump everyone here into that category, because I for one did not vote for McCain, or Obama for that matter.

And please don't ruin the Colbert Report for me now.:rolleyes:

We do not need truthiness, and we certainly aren't desperate for anything from Obama supporters to be honest, we have our opinions. And do not tell us what we need, do not come in here acting like you have all the answers and they're correct.:rolleyes: No one ignored Hillary, we did not agree with her decision to support Obama, last time I checked that was perfectly acceptable in this country.

[NOBAMAGYRL]

Y'all are in desperate need of a little truthiness ...

Says the bot?

I don't need your version of "truth":rolleyes:

[ConservativeChick]

Okay, as one of the conservatives on this board I can honestly say that Hillary was NOT ignored. There were daily threads about her on here. Where she was campaigning, videos of her, pictures etc... Folks who say she was forgotten must not have been on here much.

[NOBAMAGYRL]

I found it in a thread at an Obama group laughing at all the crazy Hillary supporters.

Classy.

[CGP]

A guy on my main forum posted a link to this place. I couldn't join, because registration was locked. But I lurked and read a while ...

I had trouble believing what I saw. The people here were all of a single viewpoint. I'm used to a forum being a place where people on all sides of the political spectrum argue and bicker with each other. Here, every single member was preachin' to the choir.

Even better, everybody ignored Hillary completely. She got up at the convention and asked, "Did you support me because of me, or because of the issues I've fought for all my life?"

And the answer here was, "We supported you because of you. We don't care at all about the issues you've fought for all your life. In fact, we're anxious to betray all the issues you've fought for all your life. We now support McCain: pro war, pro life, conservative John McCain, and his even more conservative running mate."

I wonder if Hillary has seen this site? I wonder what she'd think, to see you betray all her ideals in her name?

Y'all are in desperate need of a little truthiness ...

You ask some reasonable questions but your presentation is arrogant, condescending, insulting & accuastory. That's unfortunate, because the questions are actually interesting but when not asked in a respectful manner it's not possible to elicit respectful responses.

[lin_h]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Peppermint Patty
Yup, your bad. Very bad. Very disrespectful to come to our forum and refer to Hillary's supporters as those crazy Hillary supporters.

You bot!

Hope and change, hope and change, hope and change... oh, did your messiah have any OTHER message besides that one????
reported as disrespectful.

Now see Tao, you go over to an obama board, laugh at us and then invite all of them to join in the fray and incite the board and then you report PP as disrespectful because you're a bot?

Unbelievable.

[Frances]

A guy on my main forum posted a link to this place. I couldn't join, because registration was locked. But I lurked and read a while ...

I had trouble believing what I saw. The people here were all of a single viewpoint. I'm used to a forum being a place where people on all sides of the political spectrum argue and bicker with each other. Here, every single member was preachin' to the choir.

Even better, everybody ignored Hillary completely. She got up at the convention and asked, "Did you support me because of me, or because of the issues I've fought for all my life?"

And the answer here was, "We supported you because of you. We don't care at all about the issues you've fought for all your life. In fact, we're anxious to betray all the issues you've fought for all your life. We now support McCain: pro war, pro life, conservative John McCain, and his even more conservative running mate."

I wonder if Hillary has seen this site? I wonder what she'd think, to see you betray all her ideals in her name?

Y'all are in desperate need of a little truthiness ...

Last I heard this was America! And no one owns my vote, and that includes Hillary!
And if you want to pick someone's brains over their vote, I suggest you go elsewhere!

[MrSandMan]

Okay, as one of the conservatives on this board I can honestly say that Hillary was NOT ignored. There were daily threads about her on here. Where she was campaigning, videos of her, pictures etc... Folks who say she was forgotten must not have been on here much.

CC, I'm not singling out your post. I just want to touch on the subject.

I think the point was Hillary and Bill Clinton strongly supports Obama. They were at the DNC, on stage, in front of MILLIONS giving very passionate speeches. The work they did for Obama was awesome!

If Obama is so bad, then why is Hillary supporting him?

I'm a bit lost as why HCF members are calling Obama sexist, racist, pals around with terrorists, fraud, (and one member started a new thread tonight comparing Obama to Hitler) - Basically, the HCF POVs is Obama's the anti-christ.

Well, my POV is this can't be true. Because if it is, that would mean Hillary is involved in his evil game. Or Hillary isn't as "educated" or she's "ill informed" compared to the HCF members who have more inside info than Hillary.

IMO, anyone who suggests that Obama is a bad man is suggesting that Hillary hates America or is stupid.

Do you see what I'm cooking. I'm just a bit taken back by this mentality. I welcome anyone to help clear this up for me.

P.S., ConservativeChick, I'm not singling you out. I just want to touch on the subject.

[oda-bea]

I don't even remember how I found this site. It must have been through another site. I seem to recall reading the name of the forum and then finding it. But once I found it, I kept coming back. Or maybe you could say, that it found me.

[KENinTN]

Always helpful to know how people found there way here...

Do tell.

I was reading a Hugh Hewitt article and he mentioned the Hillary Clinton Forum and gave the url , I took a look and enjoyed reading the information here. I finally was able to register and plan to stay as long as I can. :cool:

[SewUVAGal]

I found this forum through my Mom (she mentioned it to me as a great source of info, tons of good articles in one place, etc). I've been lurking for a few months now, and I am very excited to be here!

[Ikasu]

A guy on my main forum posted a link to this place. I couldn't join, because registration was locked. But I lurked and read a while ...

I had trouble believing what I saw. The people here were all of a single viewpoint. I'm used to a forum being a place where people on all sides of the political spectrum argue and bicker with each other. Here, every single member was preachin' to the choir.

Even better, everybody ignored Hillary completely. She got up at the convention and asked, "Did you support me because of me, or because of the issues I've fought for all my life?"

And the answer here was, "We supported you because of you. We don't care at all about the issues you've fought for all your life. In fact, we're anxious to betray all the issues you've fought for all your life. We now support McCain: pro war, pro life, conservative John McCain, and his even more conservative running mate."

I wonder if Hillary has seen this site? I wonder what she'd think, to see you betray all her ideals in her name?

Y'all are in desperate need of a little truthiness ...

Problem is I'm not sure if Obama believes in Hillary's platform. He certainly trashed her plans in the primaries only to later use them for his benefit. Who can trust a man who wears whatever political skin is necessary to get ahead?

And if you read more carefully, most people were voting for McCain to be anti-Obama, not pro-McCain. Issues aren't everything. Character and judgment were very important to us and we felt Obama had little to none. His inexperience can not be trusted. His record was nothing like his rhetoric. I could not support a candidate who was unqualified to become POTUS, even if Hillary supported him so that she could do damage control for the race baiting Obama used against her.

[flannie]

I wish to goodness I could remember how I found this place. It was accidentally, I can assure you, and I was likely in search of Palin information.

I don't recall the particulars, but I do remember this forum popping up and my rolling my eyes and chuckling because I just knew I wasn't going to find anything truthful about Sarah on a board for Hillary Clinton!

Well, I was socked between the eyes. What I did find blew me away. I could not believe I had found a bunch of those crazy left-winging Democrats who were actually promoting Sarah! Why they were saying nice things about her! They LOVED my Sarah! Then I realized: y'all weren't like the Democrats I'd known and posted with.

I swannee, it felt almost like a religious conversion. Well, not to be sacreligious but you know what I mean.

I read further and further.... and further. Reasonable and courteous Democrats! This must be the Twilight Zone. At other discussion venues I'd been battered by rude, pugnacious, relentlessly hateful Democrats/O-supporters, and I had given up any thought that Democrats existed who were rational.

I learned a lot about what happened to Hillary (lots of Repubs don't understand, seriously) and I was immediately empathetic. The more I read, the more I realized that what I had found was a wonderful group with whom I had more in common than not. I've read here for weeks now and my entire plane of perception has changed. For the better. You guys are the greatest!

[Ikasu]

CC, I'm not singling out your post. I just want to touch on the subject.

I think the point was Hillary and Bill Clinton strongly supports Obama. They were at the DNC, on stage, in front of MILLIONS giving very passionate speeches. The work they did for Obama was awesome!

If Obama is so bad, then why is Hillary supporting him?

I'm a bit lost as why HCF members are calling Obama sexist, racist, pals around with terrorists, fraud, (and one member started a new thread tonight comparing Obama to Hitler) - Basically, the HCF POVs is Obama's the anti-christ.

Well, my POV is this can't be true. Because if it is, that would mean Hillary is involved in his evil game. Or Hillary isn't as "educated" or she's "ill informed" compared to the HCF members who have more inside info than Hillary.

IMO, anyone who suggests that Obama is a bad man is suggesting that Hillary hates America or is stupid.

Do you see what I'm cooking. I'm just a bit taken back by this mentality. I welcome anyone to help clear this up for me.

P.S., ConservativeChick, I'm not singling you out. I just want to touch on the subject.

In no order,

1. She's a Democrat that needs to worry about her own political survival.
2. She promised in the primaries that she would support the Democratic candidate and Hillary keeps her word.
3. To do damage control because of the Obama campaign race baiting and character assassination done in the primaries which tarnished her reputation among key Democratic voting blocs.

[MrSandMan]

1. She's a Democrat that needs to worry about her own political survival. So she choses her career over country?

2. She promised in the primaries that she would support the Democratic candidate and Hillary keeps her word. Keeping her word is more important than exposing the "Hitler" of this millennium who "pals around with terrorists"?

3. To do damage control for the Obama race baiting and character assassination done in the primaries which tarnished her reputation among key Democratic voting blocs. More reason for her to refuse to support Obama, no?

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[Ikasu]

I'm confused, you're saying she wanted Obama elected so he could be assassinated?

Huh? :confused:

[Lynne]

I know! It's so not even worth posting here anymore that I'm going to make a post here about how not worth posting here it has become.
How is this productive?

What to you hope to gain by posting at this forum?

[CGP]

I'm a bit lost as why HCF members are calling Obama sexist, racist, pals around with terrorists, fraud, (and one member started a new thread tonight comparing Obama to Hitler) - Basically, the HCF POVs is Obama's the anti-christ.


Rather than referring to those posting tonight as a block group who all think the same, it would be more fair to say that there are some members who you think hold these views above. There are plenty of others who do not fall under the umbrella description you have provided of "HCF members". So, it's best not to stereotype the entire group so as to avoid blaming poeple for positions they don't even hold.

[flannie]

Sandman,

So she choses her career over country?

Seems to me that as a Democrat, choosing to stay the course in the party is her way of serving her country. Why can't both ends be met? These aren't mutually exclusive choices.

Keeping her word is more important than exposing the "Hitler" of this millennium who "pals around with terrorists"?

Working within the framework of the Democratic establishment does not preclude an underlying distaste or distrust of Obama. Diplomacy and strategy require a certain amount of nose-holding. It's very common for people within one party to disagree or even to be adversaries. I certainly don't foresee Hillary working outside the Democratic party.

I'm confused, you're saying she wanted him elected so he could be assassinated?

If this is the best you can cull from what was said, I can see your difficulty in understanding what is being written.

[MrSandMan]

Rather than referring to those posting tonight as a block group who all think the same, it would be more fair to say that there are some members who you think hold these views above. There are plenty of others who do not fall under the umbrella description you have provided of "HCF members". So, it's best not to stereotype the entire group so as to avoid blaming poeple for positions they don't even hold.

I have not found one HCF member who didn't have a over-the-top view of Obama. But I understand your point.

I apologize to all the HCF members who I grouped up that don't consider Obama sexist, racist, pals around with terrorists, fraud, flips people off, or compare him to Hitler.

On the other side of the road, we shouldn't be calling Obama supporters "Obots," "bots," "Obamabots". If I called McCain supporters "tards" or "neo-cons", I'm sure that I would get an infraction. And rightfully so. That should be considered unacceptable.

[Meg]

On the other side of the road, we shouldn't be calling Obama supporters "Obots," "bots," "Obamabots". If I called McCain supporters "tards" or "neo-cons", I'm sure that I would get an infraction. And rightfully so. That should be considered unacceptable.


Apparently you don't understand when those are used. Those are used to describe the crazy, messiah loving Obama supporters, not the rational ones. I haven't determined where to group some of the newbies yet.:p

[Ikasu]

Sandman,



Seems to me that as a Democrat, choosing to stay the course in the party is her way of serving her country. Why can't both ends be met? These aren't mutually exclusive choices.



Working within the framework of the Democratic establishment does not preclude an underlying distaste or distrust of Obama. Diplomacy and strategy require a certain amount of nose-holding. It's very common for people within one party to disagree or even to be adversaries. I certainly don't foresee Hillary working outside the Democratic party.



If this is the best you can cull from what was said, I can see your difficulty in understanding what is being written.

Good responses, flannie. Welcome to the forum. :)

Especially the last point. I guess the mere mention of the word assassination means we want Obama assassinated. Ridiculous. :rolleyes:

[Lauren0027]

Always helpful to know how people found there way here...

Do tell.
Joined a couple of months ago, but for some reason have never been able to post. I was notified today that somebody figured it out and this should work...so this is my very first post :-)

[MrSandMan]

Sandman,



Seems to me that as a Democrat, choosing to stay the course in the party is her way of serving her country. Why can't both ends be met? These aren't mutually exclusive choices. That's great! But if she truly felt that Obama was the "anti-christ," "terrorist," or someone who wasn't good for this country, certainly she would have enough guts to speak her mind, no? -imo, Hillary is a strong woman and will not candy coat the her feelings or give false impressions.



Working within the framework of the Democratic establishment does not preclude an underlying distaste or distrust of Obama. Diplomacy and strategy require a certain amount of nose-holding. It's very common for people within one party to disagree or even to be adversaries. I certainly don't foresee Hillary working outside the Democratic party. See above - If she truly felt that Obama was the "anti-christ," "terrorist," or someone who wasn't good for this country, certainly she would have enough guts to speak her mind, no? -imo, Hillary is a strong woman and will not candy coat the her feelings or give false impressions.



If this is the best you can cull from what was said, I can see your difficulty in understanding what is being written. - I revised that. Please go recheck.

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[MrSandMan]

Good responses, flannie. Welcome to the forum. :)

Especially the last point. I guess the mere mention of the word assassination means we want Obama assassinated. Ridiculous. :rolleyes:

Hi, I revised the answer. I misunderstood it. Please don't deflect because of a mistake, lets keep things on track.

Thanks :)

[flannie]

Sandman, my answers remain the same even if you reword your original comments.

[flannie]

HillaryToTheEnd, thank you for your comments. :)

[MrSandMan]

Apparently you don't understand when those are used. Those are used to describe the crazy, messiah loving Obama supporters, not the rational ones. I haven't determined where to group some of the newbies yet.:p

No, many other members use those despicable words in every sentence and it's getting old and needs to stop.

If someone is "crazy, messiah loving Obama supporters" then ignore them. Don't resort to their level, that just makes you the same as them.

[Meg]

No, many other members use those despicable words in every sentence and it's getting old and needs to stop.

If someone is "crazy, messiah loving Obama supporters" then ignore them. Don't resort to their level, that just makes you the same as them.


Yeah they use it to describe the people who they feel are acting exactly the way I described.:rolleyes: Believe me after months of unneeded insults from Obama supporters just because of our choices is enough to justify the use of those words.

[chumpchange]

i found this forum the day McCain announced Palin as his running mate.

i was curious as to how Hillary supporters would react to the news, i did a google search and ended up here..

i lurked for a few days, then was going to register, but new registration was turned off by then, so i lurked for the rest of the election, and finally signed up today.


im a republican and ill say i was no John Mccain fan, i was more of a Romney guy.

..and with all due respect to forum members, i couldn't stand Hillary..lol

But ...i did tell my sister that if McCain got the nomination, i would vote for Hillary over him.

i remember her giving me a blank stare, as if waiting for the punch line.

then she realized i was serious (this obviously was at the time when everybody assumed Hillary had it in the bag)




NO WAY could i vote for obama over Mac.




So i got the McCain bandwagon and was excited in the Palin pick, and loved the fact that most of the users here were liking her too...

i hope she comes back!





until then..

Obama will be the president, and i will admit, and accept, and say he is MY president...


but that dont mean i have to like it!!:p

[evolin]

STAMP!!
Are you satisfied Murry? This is debate and healthful discussion and sharing of ideas?

[CGP]

Are you satisfied Murry? This is debate and healthful discussion and sharing of ideas?

Unfortunately a number of the HCF members are as guilty as the Obama supporters for the uncivilized conduct. It goes both ways. But many will deny that fact.

I note, though, that your behavior and posts have been of a very civil and fair-minded standard, so thank you.

[Nazgul 1]

Got here via Free Republic. I'm a Freeper.

[xfiles]

Maybe consider going back there? Crazy Hillary supporters? Woah!!! :mad:

I found it in a thread at an Obama group laughing at all the crazy Hillary supporters.

[FlaDem]

Are you satisfied Murry? This is debate and healthful discussion and sharing of ideas?

Murray, I have to ask is this the Common Ground you were looking for? I guess I've been spoiled since March to expect a civil tone here. I know your intentions are good, and I have nothing but gratitude for what you have done for HCF members, but this is not the evolution I anticipated here.

[Cate8]

Oh... not a good thing!:eek: I don't need Obama supporters I'm going to curse out!

Agreed. I don't like that at all. I think it's pretty rude.

[Cate8]

Got here via Free Republic. I'm a Freeper.

Me, too. Been lurking since August.

[Foggy]

You ask some reasonable questions but your presentation is arrogant, condescending, insulting & accusatory. That's unfortunate, because the questions are actually interesting but when not asked in a respectful manner it's not possible to elicit respectful responses.
OK. You're right, I wasn't very nice. I see you used the word "respectful" twice. I was fooled, reading what your long-time members post on this forum.

There's a thread implying that Obama is eerily similar to Adolf Hitler. Respectful?

There's a thread where people are not only claiming that his birth certificate is forged, but are openly hoping that he'll defy the Supreme Court and the justices will "spank the shit out of him". Respectful?

I got 15 demerits for my post in this thread. Did the person who used the phrase "spank the shit out of him" get any points for that?

I think my comments were harsh, but fair. Hillary has worked tirelessly for Obama. She made more than 70 campaign appearances for him. She raised more than $8 million for him. She made it crystal clear, she thought it was incredibly important to elect Obama-Biden. I sincerely believe that she'd be appalled, to read the posts on this forum supporting McCain-Palin.

But you're right, I could have said it in a nicer way. Sorry, I didn't know that being "respectful" was obligatory here. It was hard to tell, just from reading the board.

[lynfreedom]

Replied above


Hillary, if left alone, would choose country over politics but it is a lot more complicated than that.

I know of someone who knows her brothers. She did not want to suspend her campaign because she promised to take it to the floor. The party was angry that she did not the night that BO got the number he needed to be the presumptive nominee. She suspended after she was threatened...this is a fact but I cannot go into more details.

Not only was she threatened but her family was threatened. Many of the superdelegates had their lives threatened....and you wonder why we have a problem with BO supporters.

I also was at the convention. The roll call was a sham. delegates were threatened, ones that held govt offfices, that if they did not change their vote from Hillary to Obama, then they would not have a political career.

California passed on the roll call because at no time could Hillary have more votes than Obama. Ca law prohibits delegates from changing their vote.

Hillary was told that if she did not concede during the roll call to him that they would have someone else do the little speech she did and have her removed...

She negotiated with him to do so much campaigning for help in her debt..she held up to her side...he did not.

Hillary pledged to do what she could for the democratic party and for Obama early in the primaries. She held to what she said she would do. Did she believe what she said about him during the primaries...hexx yes she did.

Did she want to put herself or her family in danger because she did not campaign for him...no

Go look at the speeches she did during the primaries and see the enthusiasm....then go watch speeches she did while campaigning for him and you will see the difference.

Her heart was not into campaigning for him. She did what she promised and no more. Which is why he did not choose her for vp and he will not choose her for anything else because he knows she does not believe in him.

[coffee&books]

I found ya'll from the justsaynodeal.com site.

[Eddie3dfx]

I found ya'll from the justsaynodeal.com site.

I like your screen name! You are late, but welcome :D

[shenanigans]

Obamaboy?

Since you are here, would you be so kind as to answer a question?

Do you think sexism was in play with Hillary and Sarah during the election?

Then, could you elaborate on what you feel should be done about it? Or do you not even care?

[NewHamster]

I wish to goodness I could remember how I found this place. It was accidentally, I can assure you, and I was likely in search of Palin information.

I don't recall the particulars, but I do remember this forum popping up and my rolling my eyes and chuckling because I just knew I wasn't going to find anything truthful about Sarah on a board for Hillary Clinton!

Well, I was socked between the eyes. What I did find blew me away. I could not believe I had found a bunch of those crazy left-winging Democrats who were actually promoting Sarah! Why they were saying nice things about her! They LOVED my Sarah! Then I realized: y'all weren't like the Democrats I'd known and posted with.

I swannee, it felt almost like a religious conversion. Well, not to be sacreligious but you know what I mean.

I read further and further.... and further. Reasonable and courteous Democrats! This must be the Twilight Zone. At other discussion venues I'd been battered by rude, pugnacious, relentlessly hateful Democrats/O-supporters, and I had given up any thought that Democrats existed who were rational.

I learned a lot about what happened to Hillary (lots of Repubs don't understand, seriously) and I was immediately empathetic. The more I read, the more I realized that what I had found was a wonderful group with whom I had more in common than not. I've read here for weeks now and my entire plane of perception has changed. For the better. You guys are the greatest!

I'm not new but I want to respond to this post.

Flannie, I too found that period between June and November educational and engaging. I felt like I really learned something from the Republicans/conservatives that came here. The tone was very respectful and I realized that really, Democrats and Republicans want a lot of the same things, but differ in how best to get there.

My fear is that a different kind of tone is entering the HCF/CGP and at times I'm feeling like a Hillary supporter at the Daily Kos in February. I just don't think I can stay in a place with people that won't acknowledge how badly Hillary and Bill were treated by the Democratic party and Obama in this election. And the sexist, nasty treatment of Sarah Palin. If this site fills up with Obama supporters who are blind to all that then sadly I think the tone will change.

[Frances]

Obot, what needs to stop is the sexism! Let's talk about how you will contribute to stopping this crap.

[kvnbrck]

I found this forum near the end of the primaries. I had heard about Hillary supporters being outraged and I was searching for an answer as to why they were so upset, because from my perspective I was upset at Hillary for dragging out the process, trying to change the rules that she had agreed to, and creating division in the party during a very important election. I know this will anger some people, but I don't mean to be disrespectful. That's just how I felt. Reading this forum occasionally since then has been frustrating for me. I feel like there are legitimate reasons that you could have chosen not to support Obama, but I was disconcerted that most posters seemed to completely demonize him and latch on to every negative thing they could find(terrorist sympathizer, anti-Israel, muslim, anti-american, not a U.S. citizen, secretly gay but homophobic, his grandmother wasn't really dying, subtly giving people the finger, etc.). On top of that, many members have created elaborate reasons that Hillary and Bill are still supporting him and even picking lines and facial expressions out of their appearances and claiming that they're trying to send a subtle message to you about their real intentions and that you just have to "read between the lines". Some of the conclusions that many of you have reached seem - in my opinion - highly emotional but not necessarily logical. There seems to be a good deal of hate here, and I wanted to join just to share my side of things in a calm, respectful manner, hopefully. I know this won't be received well, but I figure I might as well just come out with the truth.

[Christopher F. Ash]

I came here via a link from Instapundit, one of the most popular republican-leaning (small "L" libertarian) blogs on the Web.

As a Bush-lov'n, small "L" libertarian, neo-conservative, Republican-sympathizer, I am going to continue to struggle not to post here, as (unlike many of the recent Obama-evangelists who have registered) I respect the right of an existing group to maintain a certain degree of ideological purity in the composition of its membership (one should never join a message board with the intent of 'engaging' the group in debate!). Hence my recent suggestion that the group work to find a new goal behind which you might find some unity (http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=41331).

Like some of the others in this thread have mentioned, I too was pleasantly surprised to find such pro-American (and anti-socialist) sentiments expressed by this board's members. It changed my perception of the Democratic party: Clearly, the Hillary wing of the party represented -- at least in part -- a more centrist vision of the country, and one which maintained great respect for its established traditions and character.

Many of the Obama people who have recently joined, did not come here to form any common cause with you. Some have, in fact, admitted to organizing an effort to confront your arguments directly here on your established turf. These are not friends of the forum. Their aim is to destroy your group. Unless policed, they will succeed as surely as would an organized effort by myself and my friends to dump libertarian propaganda into your discussion threads.

It is very tempting for me to argue various points here (especially in defense of those members I have come to “know” to some extent, reading your posts over the last few months), but to do so would threaten the right of the people here to find their own voice and shape their own political direction.

I only wish some of the recent “non-Republican” joiners would show y'all the same respect.

Good luck to each of you.

(Returning to “Lurk” Mode)

-- Christopher F. Ash

[foxyladi]

I giggled a little :D

tee hee.

[Foggy]

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee232/foghorn_leghorn_photos/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[sojourner]

..and with all due respect to forum members, i couldn't stand Hillary..lol


I know a lot of republicans that were not fans of Hillary. But after they got to know Obama, Hillary started looking a whole lot better.

[sybilll]

I found HCF by Googling PUMA. You have a lot of support on the Hannity forum, so I wanted to educate myself. Registration was closed, so I have lurked for months. You all are solidified, grounded and organized. There were times I was dying to pass along something I may have found at Ace or LGF, but, I coudn't. Not much gets by all of you, I just wanted to show my support. I honestly had no need to follow HRC closely because of my political affiliation, but, what I learned here about her treatment in the primaries is appauling. To say she got railroaded is putting it mildy.
Anyway, thank you for letting me lurk. I hope you all keep up the good work.

[sojourner]

...Democrats and Republicans want a lot of the same things, but differ in how best to get there.


I absolutely agree! Things are ugly right now but I firmly believe things will settle down and we can back to finding a mutually acceptible way of reaching those common goals.

[Den2006]

Unfortunately a number of the HCF members are as guilty as the Obama supporters for the uncivilized conduct. It goes both ways. But many will deny that fact.

I note, though, that your behavior and posts have been of a very civil and fair-minded standard, so thank you.Possibly this will eventually bear fruit and lead to positive discussion but so far we're just seeing sloganeering and talking points.

[NewHamster]

Foggy,
I'm not sure where your post went but it is not true that people who didn't support McCain-Palin were run off this board months ago. I was one of the few here that would have voted for Obama had he picked Hillary as his VP and I made that known but was treated with respect. Until the end I said that I was still considering writing in Hillary, but was still treated with respect.

[Santiago]

I came here via a link from Instapundit, one of the most popular republican-leaning (small "L" libertarian) blogs on the Web.

As a Bush-lov'n, small "L" libertarian, neo-conservative, Republican-sympathizer, I am going to continue to struggle not to post here, as (unlike many of the recent Obama-evangelists who have registered) I respect the right of an existing group to maintain a certain degree of ideological purity in the composition of its membership (one should never join a message board with the intent of 'engaging' the group in debate!). Hence my recent suggestion that the group work to find a new goal behind which you might find some unity (http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=41331).

Like some of the others in this thread have mentioned, I too was pleasantly surprised to find such pro-American (and anti-socialist) sentiments expressed by this board's members. It changed my perception of the Democratic party: Clearly, the Hillary wing of the party represented -- at least in part -- a more centrist vision of the country, and one which maintained great respect for its established traditions and character.

Many of the Obama people who have recently joined, did not come here to form any common cause with you. Some have, in fact, admitted to organizing an effort to confront your arguments directly here on your established turf. These are not friends of the forum. Their aim is to destroy your group. Unless policed, they will succeed as surely as would an organized effort by myself and my friends to dump libertarian propaganda into your discussion threads.

It is very tempting for me to argue various points here (especially in defense of those members I have come to “know” to some extent, reading your posts over the last few months), but to do so would threaten the right of the people here to find their own voice and shape their own political direction.

I only wish some of the recent “non-Republican” joiners would show y'all the same respect.

Good luck to each of you.

(Returning to “Lurk” Mode)

-- Christopher F. Ash

Thank you for those words!

[CGP]

OK. You're right, I wasn't very nice. I see you used the word "respectful" twice. I was fooled, reading what your long-time members post on this forum.

There's a thread implying that Obama is eerily similar to Adolf Hitler. Respectful?

There's a thread where people are not only claiming that his birth certificate is forged, but are openly hoping that he'll defy the Supreme Court and the justices will "spank the shit out of him". Respectful?

I got 15 demerits for my post in this thread. Did the person who used the phrase "spank the shit out of him" get any points for that?

I think my comments were harsh, but fair. Hillary has worked tirelessly for Obama. She made more than 70 campaign appearances for him. She raised more than $8 million for him. She made it crystal clear, she thought it was incredibly important to elect Obama-Biden. I sincerely believe that she'd be appalled, to read the posts on this forum supporting McCain-Palin.

But you're right, I could have said it in a nicer way. Sorry, I didn't know that being "respectful" was obligatory here. It was hard to tell, just from reading the board.

I saw this earlier today and wanted to respond but I didn't get a chance.

A few things:

In terms of "respect" my reference was to how members/participants in this forum should interact with each other. I concede that I have seen many examples of HCF members not communicating respectfully with some of the new Obama posters on this forum. Despite my efforts at encouraging poeple to communicate in a civil manner with those they disagree with, some seem simply unwilling or unable to do it. And some of these people have been "reprimanded" as well so their conduct has not gone un-noticed. Many are angry that I am even allowing Obama supporters to post at all. It doesn't help either when a few extremist Obama supporters come in to rile them either - but I don't see you as having been one of those people.

In regards to content, and whether its respectful or not - I wasn't talking about that. That's a whole different story. And much of that assessment is subjective. The general guidelines should be: no sexism, no racism, no homophobia etc. You may find one person's "opinion" about an issue to be offensive or their interest in a particular story to be bizarre. But that doesn't mean the opinion is wrong or the story is not worth discussing. It is important, however, how the opinion/story is presented.

This forum is going through a massive transition. A week ago you wouldn't have been allowed to post on this forum. It was a strictly, pro-hillary zone, with a smaller amount of pro-palin/mccain supporters also posting. The common demominator was that most were opposed to Obama. Since the election is OVER and I now wish to see the forum opened up to a broader range of viewpoints, the forum has in some ways descended into chaos - and it is "chaos" compared with how things used to be. When a forum only tolerates one view, it's much easier to control tensions. When a forum opens itself up to the expression of multiple views, tensions are obviously much more difficult to contain. Regardless, this forum's days of only allowing one view to be expressed are over. Many HCF members are extremely disappointed in this development - I can understand why, but I think this change is for the best.

So, it's important to understand the context and history of a forum before you launch into being active in it. My hope - in a fantasy world - is that people could all get along regardless of who they do/don't support. I don't think people's different political preferences/favoritisms should ruin r/ships and prevent civil communication. Some people are completely unable to do this and feel compelled - for whatever reason - to maintain an "us"/"them" mentality indefinitely. That's unfortunate. And it goes both ways.

Whether this new and more open approach will work in here remains to be seen. But I am willing to try it. And I hope enough other people are as well.

[Jenda]

Someone referenced this site on another message board back in September. I have been a regular lurker since I found this site. The registration was cut off just a few days before I found this site so I've been in lurkdom until today.

[bette]

I found this board from the AOL blog.(BTW - ick!) I followed a link on a discussion & absolutely LOVE this site!! I supported Hillary during the primary & was outraged at the conduct of the DNC & MSM towards her & her supporters. She absolutely should have won & would have won in November big time.
I have been a daily lurker as I found you guys too late to sign up, but have very much enjoyed reading all the posts & learning so much. Thank you for being here & allowing me in!:):D

[Horizon]

Welcome,Jenda and Bette!

[All American]

I found this forum when I heard about PUMA on Fox News, and have kept up with the group even though I could never post because it was closed to outsiders. I am so happy to finally be able to post here. I hope that we can all come together and find common ground here on the new forum, I learned so much from reading the posts from before, it really made me proud that the Hillary supporters could put their party aside and vote for who they/we felt was/is the best team. That did my heart good for a longtime, we didn't succeed, but we grew and learned tolerance and educated with humility each other. I believe when we have a common belief and goal we can come together again and maybe next time we will be rewarded with victory. Until then, we will continue to wake up everyday and live our lives the best we know how. 2012 isn't that far way! Keep the faith and God bless us all for the next 4 years.

[Siouxie]

First post:cool:

Heard about this forum on another one months ago and had been lurking since. This would be my place to come for the latest election info and it really kept me pretty sane - up until the actual election :(

That being said, I have come to admire and DO thank all the Hillary Clinton supporters for all their hard work on behalf of McCain and Palin! You guys were great!

[calmati]

I Googled "PUMA" back in September, I think? I believe this website was one of the first (if not THE first) hits on Google. I forget where I heard or read the term "PUMA" originally. Probably on a blog or news story somewhere...

Registration was closed at the time, then briefly opened a couple of times after the election. I still didn't register; I just lurked and read posts. Then this site closed unexpectedly, and I went and read posts at HV (same sort of people, different site - I didn't want to try and get used to the writing styles of a whole new group of people). I didn't register there, either. I was hoping this site would eventually open again, and I'm glad it did.

Anyway, I finally registered... was it yesterday or day before? Well, recently at any rate. I don't really post a lot on forums - I mainly registered so I could participate in some of the polls and to use some of the other features of the forum.

Sorry about the long explanation. This is why I don't post often on forums. I have a tendency for long, rambling posts.

[CGP]

Sorry about the long explanation. This is why I don't post often on forums. I have a tendency for long, rambling posts.

Long posts are good. And forums are the perfect place for them.

[Nichelle]

Well, this is my first post here. And I'll be open and say that I've been a bit nervous about posting since joining just a few days ago. Though I've only recently become a member, I've watched the forum evolve. And I understand that there are still some raw emotions here.

I found this forum during the primaries when I was searching for information on all of the candidates. I visited many boards during that time, covering many different viewpoints. And this forum certainly seemed to be on message with a single, strong voice. I'm not saying there were never any disagreements. But it wasn't called the HCF for nothing. :) You had common ground. I did notice that once the primaries were over, members who moved their support to Obama or chose to simply support the nominee of the party did not seem to be welcome anymore. Again, this was HCF so I got it.

Once the election was over, I was thrilled to see an attempt to broaden the audience of the forum. I'm not saying that everyone has to move on, but reality is that although it is not easy to move forward, times have changed. Decisions are being made daily which impact our future. Once the forum was brought back to life and registration re-opened, I quickly signed up. I then had second thoughts about posting after seeing some of the chaos. If anyone wants to know why I would come here and post, my answer is simple. I want to truly find common ground and discourse with the people who I would have stood shoulder to shoulder with just a year ago. We will not always agree. But we can learn from each other.

Note that I don't have blind faith in any candidate. And I won't respond to jeers of "bot!" simply because I supported a different candidate. There are/were fanatics for both Hillary and Obama. I don't think either group owns the right to say 'Obama (or) Hillary supporters are nuts!"

I could make the choice to only frequent a forum where my single candidate viewpoint is held by 99% of those posting. But that is not the political world in which we live. I love the new direction of the forum and hope I can eventually call it home as well.

[Horizon]

Well, this is my first post here. And I'll be open and say that I've been a bit nervous about posting since joining just a few days ago. Though I've only recently become a member, I've watched the forum evolve. And I understand that there are still some raw emotions here.

I found this forum during the primaries when I was searching for information on all of the candidates. I visited many boards during that time, covering many different viewpoints. And this forum certainly seemed to be on message with a single, strong voice. I'm not saying there were never any disagreements. But it wasn't called the HCF for nothing. :) You had common ground. I did notice that once the primaries were over, members who moved their support to Obama or chose to simply support the nominee of the party did not seem to be welcome anymore. Again, this was HCF so I got it.

Once the election was over, I was thrilled to see an attempt to broaden the audience of the forum. I'm not saying that everyone has to move on, but reality is that although it is not easy to move forward, times have changed. Decisions are being made daily which impact our future. Once the forum was brought back to life and registration re-opened, I quickly signed up. I then had second thoughts about posting after seeing some of the chaos. If anyone wants to know why I would come here and post, my answer is simple. I want to truly find common ground and discourse with the people who I would have stood shoulder to shoulder with just a year ago. We will not always agree. But we can learn from each other.

Note that I don't have blind faith in any candidate. And I won't respond to jeers of "bot!" simply because I supported a different candidate. There are/were fanatics for both Hillary and Obama. I don't think either group owns the right to say 'Obama (or) Hillary supporters are nuts!"

I could make the choice to only frequent a forum where my single candidate viewpoint is held by 99% of those posting. But that is not the political world in which we live. I love the new direction of the forum and hope I can eventually call it home as well.

Welcome to you and thank you for your bravery in joining us in spite of some of our difficulty! We really are a great bunch,just trying to find our way.
Hope you find it fun,and entertaining here.

[Nichelle]

Welcome to you and thank you for your bravery in joining us in spite of some of our difficulty! We really are a great bunch,just trying to find our way.
Hope you find it fun,and entertaining here.

Thank you for the welcome. I appreciate it. By the way, I have been laughing at your autosignature quote since I read it. I love it!

[Horizon]

Thank you for the welcome. I appreciate it. By the way, I have been laughing at your autosignature quote since I read it. I love it!

There is actually a poll in the forum right now regarding it.ONE person made a stink.Thought it pornographic and/or sexual in nature. Go vote in the poll.I will keep it if enough DO NOT find it offensive!

I have it because I am always calling people ASSHATS if they truly desreve it.
It's kinda like my signature phrase!

[SKR01]

I wish I could remember the how, but I believe I started lurking during the Colorado convention. Although I am not a supporter of the Clintons, I could heartily understand why those here were upset about not even getting such a small tip of the hat to Sen. Clinton's campaign when her delegates weren't allowed to announce their votes from the floor. How much was that to ask for, really?

As a Christian, a conservative and a Republican, I was relieved to see that there were Democrats who were willing to put our country first over a political party. Obviously those of us who belong to a party do so because it supports, if not all, at least most of the issues we support. However, if a party, any party, puts itself first, I have a problem with that. It's not how America will survive as a nation of liberty, morality and responsibility.

I am so glad that I was allowed to join, because I wanted to thank all those here who supported Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin. When I saw people over here start to question the MSM and what they knew about Republicans as portrayed by same (and as by the DNC), I felt as though something may have started us on our way back to a better understanding of each other (since I was similarly questioning how the MSM portrays Democrats). This magnificent experiment, the United States of America, is worth fighting for and it's good to know that we haven't lost all common ground with each other because we will need each other for the rest of this nation's life.

My apologies for a long-winded and unhelpful reply to the thread's main question. :o

[Crotalus]

I found a link to it from another website when I became enamored by the PUMA movement and began investigating last summer.

[The_Basseteer]

I followed a link to this forum from a conservative blog after Gov. Palin was selected by McCain as his VP. I enjoyed the enthusiasm for McCain/Palin that was here and made good use of all the research that was done by the members here (if only the MSM did half as much).

[christine]

How did I get here you ask?
I have been a fan of Hillary for many many years...
and I was thrilled when she announced her candidacy for POTUS..
I volunteered..and I volunteered..you name it i did it...
I manned phone banks, I canvassed door to door in battle ground states, raised
money, contributed, blogged, by myself, with my family, in my groups, with my friends...
When things went awry..it was forums such as these , which became 'de rigeur' for support be it emotional or informational,
I tried to join so many times, but membership was closed, but I still followed the discussion streams religiously!
After, "The Great Interloper" snagged the election, it was bad enough that Hillary Clinton had been snookered out of the election, but we had to deal with all our support sites folding...
So I still have been checking the status of this site almost daily..what glee when I saw that it was back up!
I vehemently object to the closure of any of these sites because
IT IS NOT OVER, IT IS NOT OVER!
We presently have The Peter Principle President [elect], who stole an election that he was ineligible to be in in the first place..
We have more information regarding his ineligibility hitting the internet every day!
We have a plethora of law-suits addressing this issue cropping up on a daily basis..
and the latest news is that Attorney Kreeps, A lawyer who is playing a key role in a California lawsuit urging officials to prevent the state's 55 Electoral College votes from being recorded for Barack Obama until questions about his citizenship are resolved says he's organizing plans to challenge, even after the inauguration, every order, every proposal, every piece of paperwork generated by Obama.
We are beginning to see more MSM coverage [albeit it is in the incipient stage]
The groundswell of support for these suits is huge and growing exponentially..
one recent internet radio show about obama's ineligibility logged 26 million people who tuned in...
We still have a lot of work to do...only this time we are not simply fighting for one candidate over another...
this time we are fighting to secure the integrity of the rubric of this country...the United States Constitution!
That is how I got here!

[Chief_Believer]

If you were at all engaged in the politics of the last election cycle - in an effort to be well informed - you do your share of online searches and reading. Along the way, I ran into HCF and Hillbuzz. I am glad that I did. I really enjoyed this site. I came to appreciate the views of many people in the forum. I came to recognize usernames personalities and viewpoints. I always found people to be respectful - even when they disagreed. This forum was often a voice of reason.

While a big fan of Hillary supporters during the election (those that came to root for the Repub ticket in part becasue of Sarah), I am not a fan of Hillary. I always thought she was hypocritical. And, in taking a SoS position within the Obama administration, I think it proved to be true that she is.

Regardless, this is my first post and I respectfully say hello to all HCF members - particularly those that were members while new registrations were closed. I came to really appreciate you. Best.

[Horizon]

If you were at all engaged in the politics of the last election cycle - in an effort to be well informed - you do your share of online searches and reading. Along the way, I ran into HCF and Hillbuzz. I am glad that I did. I really enjoyed this site. I came to appreciate the views of many people in the forum. I came to recognize usernames personalities and viewpoints. I always found people to be respectful - even when they disagreed. This forum was often a voice of reason.

While a big fan of Hillary supporters during the election (those that came to root for the Repub ticket in part becasue of Sarah), I am not a fan of Hillary. I always thought she was hypocritical. And, in taking a SoS position within the Obama administration, I think it proved to be true that she is.

Regardless, this is my first post and I respectfully say hello to all HCF members - particularly those that were members while new registrations were closed. I came to really appreciate you. Best.

Respectfully saying hello all the while slamming Hillary Clinton has NOT gained you any points with me!

[Ikasu]

Respectfully saying hello all the while slamming Hillary Clinton has NOT gained you any points with me!

**checking** **checking**

HillaryClintonForum

Independent Discussion for Supporters of Hillary Clinton


Still there!

[Horizon]

Go figure.

[sojourner]

HillaryClintonForum

Independent Discussion for Supporters of Hillary Clinton

**checking** **checking**
Still there!

Wow! When did that happen? Why am I here? How come half of us haven't been banned? Well, half might be a slight exaggeration.

[Chief_Believer]

Respectfully saying hello all the while slamming Hillary Clinton has NOT gained you any points with me!

Ok then... I will be sure to take you off my christmas card list Meredith. You apparently are mildly mistaken what 'slamming' is... Nowhere in my statement did I 'slam' Hillary. I'm sorry that not being a Hillary supporter means to you that someone is speaking ill or bad about them. Where in my post did I 'slam' Hillary? Where in my post did I seek your approval? I'm not a Hillary, Edwards, Obama, Ron Paul, Huckabee supporter either. Am I slamming them also?

Is this a Hillary Clinton forum only? Go figure...

[Horizon]

Wow! When did that happen? Why am I here? How come half of us haven't been banned? Well, half might be a slight exaggeration.

Because most of you have the common courtesy to not slam HRC right out of the gate. I, for one, appreciate that.:D

[Chief_Believer]

Ok then... I will be sure to take you off my christmas card list Meredith. You apparently are mildly mistaken what 'slamming' is... Nowhere in my statement did I 'slam' Hillary. I'm sorry that not being a Hillary supporter means to you that someone is speaking ill or bad about them. Where in my post did I 'slam' Hillary? Where in my post did I seek your approval? I'm not a Hillary, Edwards, Obama, Ron Paul, Huckabee supporter either. Am I slamming them also?

Is this a Hillary Clinton forum only? Go figure...

If I am mistaken.. and this is now only a Hillary Clinton forum supporting Hillary Clinton only. Please let me know.

[Horizon]

Ok then... I will be sure to take you off my christmas card list Meredith. You apparently are mildly mistaken what 'slamming' is... Nowhere in my statement did I 'slam' Hillary. I'm sorry that not being a Hillary supporter means to you that someone is speaking ill or bad about them. Where in my post did I 'slam' Hillary? Where in my post did I seek your approval? I'm not a Hillary, Edwards, Obama, Ron Paul, Huckabee supporter either. Am I slamming them also?

Is this a Hillary Clinton forum only? Go figure...

I am not a fan of Hillary. I always thought she was hypocritical. And, in taking a SoS position within the Obama administration, I think it proved to be true that she is.
I think others would agree that this IS indeed, a slam on Hillary. Thanks for the backhanded comments in your original post though. And BTW, we are NOT a Palin or Mac forum either.

[RE:]

I am not a fan of Hillary. I always thought she was hypocritical. And, in taking a SoS position within the Obama administration, I think it proved to be true that she is.
To many of us...THAT IS A SLAM!

[Ikasu]

Yea pretty sure calling someone a hypocrite is a slam.

[Ikasu]

Wow! When did that happen? Why am I here? How come half of us haven't been banned? Well, half might be a slight exaggeration.

You don't antagonize and you keep it substantive. I only have problems with attacks based on emotion, as it too often seems to be the case with criticisms of Hillary.

[Horizon]

So, a slam it is!:D:D

God, I love to be right sometimes!!!!

[Chief_Believer]

I can see where you would think "hypocrit' is a slam.. I can see where you might think that. If you are a die-hard Hillary supporter, and thats fine. But she did say she wouldn't be part of the Obama Admin. and she said many other words that are contrary to Obama's positions all the way up to the DNC convention and after. In that sense, I think she is hypocritical in words. And, I have talked to many others Hillary supporters who would say so as well. But they still support her.

There is no emotion to this from my end. It is strictly my opinion. It's all good. Meredith can live in the false illusion of me 1) giving a backhanded compliment to start with and 2) being disparaging to Hillary. Hillary is my S0S too now. Let's hope she institutes policies that benefit all Americans. Unfortunately, a difference of opinion is not always slamming someone. I stand by the original thought. She stated a belief of hers and said she (her feelings) would not do something she ultimately ending up doing. Thats hypocritical. Period. I refernece number 2 as the definition of a hypocrite.

Main Entry: hyp·o·crite
Pronunciation: \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritēs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai
Date: 13th century

1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

If you feel offended by my remarks, they were not intended to pick a fight with any members. I can agree to disagree with fellow members in any forum. I have many times respectfully accepted others. I hope that is true in this forum as well.

[Horizon]

I can see where you would think "hypocrit' is a slam.. I can see where you might think that. If you are a die-hard Hillary supporter, and thats fine. But she did say she wouldn't be part of the Obama Admin. and she said many other words that are contrary to Obama's positions all the way up to the DNC convention and after. In that sense, I think she is hypocritical in words. And, I have talked to many others Hillary supporters who would say so as well. But they still support her.

There is no emotion to this from my end. It is strictly my opinion. It's all good. Meredith can live in the false illusion of me 1) giving a backhanded compliment to start with and 2) being disparaging to Hillary. Hillary is my S0S too now. Let's hope she institutes policies that benefit all Americans. Unfortunately, a difference of opinion is not always slamming someone. I stand by the original thought. She stated a belief of hers and said she (her feelings) would not do something she ultimately ending up doing. Thats hypocritical. Period. I refernece number 2 as the definition of a hypocrite.

Main Entry: hyp·o·crite
Pronunciation: ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritēs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai
Date: 13th century

1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

If you feel offended by my remarks, they were not intended to pick a fight with any members. I can agree to disagree with fellow members in any forum. I have many times respectfully accepted others. I hope that is true in this forum as well.
And you too are welcome to live in the false illusion that you have some clue about Hillary Clinton, this forum, or me. Why don't you trot on over to the Village?

[RE:]

But she did say she wouldn't be part of the Obama Admin.

Not True!

and she said many other words that are contrary to Obama's positions all the way up to the DNC convention and after. In that sense, I think she is hypocritical in words. And, I have talked to many others Hillary supporters who would say so as well. But they still support her.


Since you are new, you have not talked to the Hillary supporters here at this particular forum to be able to lump us all together with the Hillary supporters you have spoken to elsewhere. So like I said previously...many of us concluded that you were slamming Hillary in your 1st post.

It may be best to look around a little bit before posting so you can learn where we are coming from when we question your use of words.

It may, also, be best to tell us who you actually support instead of speaking poorly about the very person this forum is named after and the person many of us support.

[WestWindSpirit]

I found this forum from a link on a story from Fox News.

I am very, very conservative politically and would never have expected to participate in a Hillary Clinton forum. But I was fascinated by the whole PUMA thing and kept reading (even though I couldn't register or post). While I certainly don't agree with everything that everyone posts, I really appreciated the things revealed here that weren't reported anywhere else.

So now that I can properly register, I thought I'd say hello and thanks.

[Horizon]

I found this forum from a link on a story from Fox News.

I am very, very conservative politically and would never have expected to participate in a Hillary Clinton forum. But I was fascinated by the whole PUMA thing and kept reading (even though I couldn't register or post). While I certainly don't agree with everything that everyone posts, I really appreciated the things revealed here that weren't reported anywhere else.

So now that I can properly register, I thought I'd say hello and thanks.

Welcome! I love your screen name. Please sort thorough and try to find our threads regarding how to post, and what our rules and regulations are. They should be easy to find, I will try and bump some up so that you have a clear view of what is and is not allowed. We are in the process of a shift to a more moderate forum, so I hope you like it here!

[Kelle]

First, let me start by sending a heartfelt thank you to Murray, Meredith and all of those Hillary supporters that have been here since the beginning. I would also include those Obama supporters that respectfully challenge opposing views and strive for constructive dialogue.

I have been following this site since sometime after it was closed to newcomers, which is probably just as well since this could have become an unhealthy addiction.

Having finally made it official and joined this forum, in more than just spirit, I am very sad to learn that it may be closing shortly. I will try not to dwell on the unnecessarily provocative and divisive posts (and Posters) that may have brought the forum to that point, except to say it's a shame that a few have to ruin it for the many.

In case anyone is curious about me here is a very brief overview. I pride myself on being an Independent/Moderate. I lean to the left on some issues but the fiscal conservative in me tends to push me back in the other direction. My intense dislike for Obama has abated somewhat now that the answer to the political equivalent of "were you lying then or are you lying now" tends to suggest that Obama was pandering to the left. I don't rule out the possibility that he'll be breaking more hearts in the not too distant future but I can live with him if he is the moderate that he seems to be shaping up to be.

In which case my biggest gripe at this point is with the DNC's new "Old Boy Network" (Kennedy in particular). The way they shoved Hillary off the field and trampled her is deplorable. I realize that politics is a rough business and I don't expect much in the way of loyalty, but I will never understand why they didn't let her take it all the way to the convention.

I suppose there's not much point in dwelling on it now as the line between nursing a grudge and remembering history --so as to try and avoid repeating it-- is probably not so thin as I imagine.

Thanks again. As painful as this has been, this group has kept me grounded and I am grateful for this opportunity to say hello and go on record with my appreciation.

BTW, any idea where the Hillary supporters my wind up spending the bulk of their time if/when this site shuts down for good?
-Kelle

[Alces95]

BTW, any idea where the Hillary supporters my wind up spending the bulk of their time if/when this site shuts down for good?
-Kelle

I believe it will be a bar! :D

[RichardMZhlubb]

I'll admit that I had never heard of this forum until right around the time of the RNC convention. A Republican friend of mine was arguing that McCain's selection of Sarah Palin was a masterstroke that guaranteed him the election. He claimed that the Palin pick would net McCain at least 30 to 50 percent of the disaffected former Hillary supporters and he sent me a link to this site as proof. What I found here amazed and horrified me to the point that I assumed that it was some kind of practical joke. I couldn't believe that so many people who believed in Hillary Clinton and the same things she stood for could have fallen for Sarah Palin, who I considered (and still consider) to be an unqualified conservative Christian nut.

I stuck around and lurked here during September and October and became convinced that most of the posters were not former Hillary supporters, but Republicans who probably would have voted for McCain anyway. I didn't believe that any legitimate Hillary supporter could possibly have relied on the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Michael Savage as fonts of reason the way the posters here seemed to on a daily basis.

I signed up as soon as registration was reopened, hoping to challenge the Palin supporters but was somewhat disappointed to find that most of them disappeared (or had a change of heart) after the election. With a few exceptions, most of the posters around here are pretty reasonable. I've stuck around primarily because I get a kick out of dealing with tools like timeforrealchange. But that's become tiresome and this is probably my last post here.

You've got a good community here and I hope things continue for all of you. I do have one recommendation to make the site instantly better. Ban timeforrealchange. She's a troll in the purest sense, and a complete idiot to boot. Get rid of her and the collective IQ around here will instantly jump 20 points.

[Ikasu]

Just want to say that most of the former Hillary supporters on here voted for McCain based on protest and that others chose to support 3rd party candidates, write-in Hillary's name, or stay home.

I don't want you to get the impression that many abandoned their beliefs and became right-wing conservatives. I'm still liberal.

We lost some great posters who are HRC supporters, but couldn't stay because they decided to support Obama.

I'll admit that I had never heard of this forum until right around the time of the RNC convention. A Republican friend of mine was arguing that McCain's selection of Sarah Palin was a masterstroke that guaranteed him the election. He claimed that the Palin pick would net McCain at least 30 to 50 percent of the disaffected former Hillary supporters and he sent me a link to this site as proof. What I found here amazed and horrified me to the point that I assumed that it was some kind of practical joke. I couldn't believe that so many people who believed in Hillary Clinton and the same things she stood for could have fallen for Sarah Palin, who I considered (and still consider) to be an unqualified conservative Christian nut.

I stuck around and lurked here during September and October and became convinced that most of the posters were not former Hillary supporters, but Republicans who probably would have voted for McCain anyway. I didn't believe that any legitimate Hillary supporter could possibly have relied on the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Michael Savage as fonts of reason the way the posters here seemed to on a daily basis.

I signed up as soon as registration was reopened, hoping to challenge the Palin supporters but was somewhat disappointed to find that most of them disappeared (or had a change of heart) after the election. With a few exceptions, most of the posters around here are pretty reasonable. I've stuck around primarily because I get a kick out of dealing with tools like timeforrealchange. But that's become tiresome and this is probably my last post here.

You've got a good community here and I hope things continue for all of you. I do have one recommendation to make the site instantly better. Ban timeforrealchange. She's a troll in the purest sense, and a complete idiot to boot. Get rid of her and the collective IQ around here will instantly jump 20 points.

[xfiles]

About Richard's quote. You all still don't get it. WE who supported Hillary (and still do) COULD NOT support Obama for all the reasons mentioned. So we took a look at McCain & Palin and saw some attractive things, mainly that they were NOT Obama. John McCain is a very centrist republican so it made it easy for many of us to support him. As an independent voter, I decide on a candidate based on honesty, integrity, patriotism and positions on issues. Obama was sorely lacking in these regards. I may not like a couple of Palin or McCain stances but overall I liked MOST of them--reforming government being a biggie that Sarah Palin has proven she can do.

Just want to say that most of the former Hillary supporters on here voted for McCain based on protest and that others chose to support 3rd party candidates, write-in Hillary's name, or stay home.

I don't want you to get the impression that many abandoned their beliefs and became right-wing conservatives. I'm still liberal.

We lost some great posters who are HRC supporters, but couldn't stay because they decided to support Obama.

[Horizon]

I'll admit that I had never heard of this forum until right around the time of the RNC convention. A Republican friend of mine was arguing that McCain's selection of Sarah Palin was a masterstroke that guaranteed him the election. He claimed that the Palin pick would net McCain at least 30 to 50 percent of the disaffected former Hillary supporters and he sent me a link to this site as proof. What I found here amazed and horrified me to the point that I assumed that it was some kind of practical joke. I couldn't believe that so many people who believed in Hillary Clinton and the same things she stood for could have fallen for Sarah Palin, who I considered (and still consider) to be an unqualified conservative Christian nut.

I stuck around and lurked here during September and October and became convinced that most of the posters were not former Hillary supporters, but Republicans who probably would have voted for McCain anyway. I didn't believe that any legitimate Hillary supporter could possibly have relied on the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Michael Savage as fonts of reason the way the posters here seemed to on a daily basis.

I signed up as soon as registration was reopened, hoping to challenge the Palin supporters but was somewhat disappointed to find that most of them disappeared (or had a change of heart) after the election. With a few exceptions, most of the posters around here are pretty reasonable. I've stuck around primarily because I get a kick out of dealing with tools like timeforrealchange. But that's become tiresome and this is probably my last post here.

You've got a good community here and I hope things continue for all of you. I do have one recommendation to make the site instantly better. Ban timeforrealchange. She's a troll in the purest sense, and a complete idiot to boot. Get rid of her and the collective IQ around here will instantly jump 20 points.

STAMP!!!! Too bad this wasn't going to happen. I think it would be more like a 50 point jump.

[chelseagirl]

I'll admit that I had never heard of this forum until right around the time of the RNC convention. A Republican friend of mine was arguing that McCain's selection of Sarah Palin was a masterstroke that guaranteed him the election. He claimed that the Palin pick would net McCain at least 30 to 50 percent of the disaffected former Hillary supporters and he sent me a link to this site as proof. What I found here amazed and horrified me to the point that I assumed that it was some kind of practical joke. I couldn't believe that so many people who believed in Hillary Clinton and the same things she stood for could have fallen for Sarah Palin, who I considered (and still consider) to be an unqualified conservative Christian nut.

I stuck around and lurked here during September and October and became convinced that most of the posters were not former Hillary supporters, but Republicans who probably would have voted for McCain anyway. I didn't believe that any legitimate Hillary supporter could possibly have relied on the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Michael Savage as fonts of reason the way the posters here seemed to on a daily basis.

I signed up as soon as registration was reopened, hoping to challenge the Palin supporters but was somewhat disappointed to find that most of them disappeared (or had a change of heart) after the election. With a few exceptions, most of the posters around here are pretty reasonable. I've stuck around primarily because I get a kick out of dealing with tools like timeforrealchange. But that's become tiresome and this is probably my last post here.

You've got a good community here and I hope things continue for all of you. I do have one recommendation to make the site instantly better. Ban timeforrealchange. She's a troll in the purest sense, and a complete idiot to boot. Get rid of her and the collective IQ around here will instantly jump 20 points.

Man, you're a pushy little manipulative jerk. :rolleyes:

Listen...I know you or one your partners in crime will see this, so...I have to inform you that you are regurgitating Obama camp tactics in your post here.

1) Yes, there were real Hillary voters who were accused of being Republibots just because they did not bow down and accept the misogyny. That was one of your master's tactics to help you keep the faith in him.

2) Yes, Hillary voters did give Fox news the time of day this election. You would too if the rest of the media was busy worshiping the person that ran against your choice. It's a sad state of affairs when Fox is the only channel that even remotely criticized Ogodma.

3) Don't cry about TFRC and call for a banning, and then proceed to admit you're a troll. Arrogant, much?? Not that I find that surprising at all considering who you troll for. lol

4) If you want to troll Palin voters then go where they are....so they can ban you. lol No, seriously, if you want to debate so badly then why don't you open your arrogant, demanding mouth over at Obama's many free speech-less blogs or forums. I'm sure they won't call you traitor for suggesting they allow any "stupid" non-Obama bots to post their "lies" there.

5) Yes, some Hillary voters went for McCain/Palin instead of bowing down at the altar of your precious. Why is it so shocking to you? After all, Obamacult's plan was to vote for McCain if Obama did not get the nomination, so kindly take the hypocrisy back to where it came from. If it was okay for you all to plan that so Obamba could run again in 2012, then you have no business lecturing others on a candidate's views being against what the other candidate stands for.

[foxyladi]

Always helpful to know how people found there way here...

Do tell.

and WELCOME:thumbsup::e1:

[foxyladi]

I believe it will be a bar! :D

wonderful news it isn't shutting down.
LOOK IT,S OPEN:thumbsup:
come on in sit a spell:D.and share your thoughts :D

[spikeytx86]

Valin posted a link a while back on therightreasons.net (shameless plug) and I followed it over here, liked what I saw and joined.

I really like the concept of discussing politics with people from all walks of life and ideologies.

[CGP]

Valin posted a link a while back on therightreasons.net (shameless plug) and I followed it over here, liked what I saw and joined.

I really like the concept of discussing politics with people from all walks of life and ideologies.

Kudos to Valin!

[Valin]

Interstate 35 north to Esko Mn. take a left then two rights and there you are.

http://lane-changers.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/DSC01841.212100456_std.jpg

[Sindona]

I first found this place from links in the old hippie, and yellow bullet forums during the primaries. This place was a nobama gold mine:D

[Suzan]

I first found this place from links in the old hippie, and yellow bullet forums during the primaries. This place was a nobama gold mine:D
I'm not familiar with those links, but it sounds like you've been around for quite awhile.

Welcome!

[foxyladi]

I first found this place from links in the old hippie, and yellow bullet forums during the primaries. This place was a nobama gold mine:D

solid gold:D

[Laura Cereta]

Any new members who want to share their stories of how they got here???

[clintonobserver]

I have been a Clinton observer (not necessarily always a huge fan) since 1990 and have belonged to some Clinton mainly forums but it gets monotonous always talking about the Clintons so I was asking around about forums that are more open talking about other things political besides the Clintons. I was told about this forum and a couple of others so I joined. I hope to get to know people here and be able to participate fairly often. Nice to meet you!

[foxyladi]

welcome Clinton observer..you will love it here..
we have a real mix.and discuss every thing from soup to nuts..:laughing:

[CGP]

I have been a Clinton observer (not necessarily always a huge fan) since 1990 and have belonged to some Clinton mainly forums but it gets monotonous always talking about the Clintons so I was asking around about forums that are more open talking about other things political besides the Clintons. I was told about this forum and a couple of others so I joined. I hope to get to know people here and be able to participate fairly often. Nice to meet you!

Welcome and thanks for participating. :thumbsup:

[Laura Cereta]

I have been a Clinton observer (not necessarily always a huge fan) since 1990 and have belonged to some Clinton mainly forums but it gets monotonous always talking about the Clintons so I was asking around about forums that are more open talking about other things political besides the Clintons. I was told about this forum and a couple of others so I joined. I hope to get to know people here and be able to participate fairly often. Nice to meet you!

Welcome, clintonobserber! :)