Ok, Just For Now HCF Is Back Open!

[CGP]

The buzz about Hillary possibly becoming Secretary of State has prompted me to re-open HCF for now. I would love to see Hillary claim the stage on the international front. She would do America proud!

[ImmaSlave4U]

WoW! Awesome! :) I just accidentally clicked the bookmark I have for HCF and I noticed it's back up (at least for the time being)

Very cool! I've been blowing up my MySpace bulletins with news articles about Sec'y of State that are so much better posted here! :p

[Mrsawd]

I still Hope Hillary does not blow her chances at running again!

[Meg]

Murray, you are awesome... just so you know!:eek:

And I agree the discussion of Hillary being SoS is important.

[CGP]

WoW! Awesome! :) I just accidentally clicked the bookmark I have for HCF and I noticed it's back up (at least for the time being)

Very cool! I've been blowing up my MySpace bulletins with news articles about Sec'y of State that are so much better posted here! :p

Honestly, it's the best news in a long time - the SOS development - and I hope it comes true. I seriously hope it's not a dud ploy just to make Obama look gratious in victory and without any real intention/plan to give her the job.

Some suggest it makes Hillary look weak. I disagree strongly. It's a super platform from which to maintain and strengthen her political identity on the national & international stage.

[SoCal4Hillary]

I wish you'd answer your e-mail. :eek:

Anyway, I'm THRILLED to see the forum back up, even if it is only temporary. :D

About Hillary as SoS: It sounds good in theory, i.e., she can be the brains behind the inept, unqualified imbecile, but it may backfire and/or hurt her political future if things go REALLY badly--as I expect they will. I'm sure you're all aware of the terrorist threats that Osama bin Laden has made recently--and you know they're going to happen AFTER the unqualified dolt takes office. So I have very mixed feelings about Hillary taking the position.

[CGP]

I wish you'd answer your e-mail. :eek:


Sorry. I have have answered so many. Sorry if I missed your's! :(

[Peppermint Patty]

Hey Muzza! Don't be a stranger! Yup SOS is a biggie... but odd reactions abound how they can't believe BO would pick her. Oh well, same old Hillary bashing -- nothing new there!:rolleyes:

[ILBlue]

Hope all is well with you Murray. :)

[freethinker]

A dream job for Hillary and one for which she is so very well suited.She has the ability to see the big picture and understand the levers of power and mechanisms needed to make it happen. I see Bill as an enormous asset, who better to advise on the history and have instant access to some of the most important global players?

The risk, of course, is that Obama will continue to dodge making any specific decisions and hide behind Hillary, using her as a shield for the fall out from any events. The press will have a field day, examining her every move for the possible negative impact. They could, in fact, hamper her work by constantly undermining the goodwill she generates.

You can also be sure that Obama will take credit for the work that she does that benefits and allow her to be blamed for any failures.

The Senate will like it so they don't have to share power but they will miss her fundraising skills. The greatest risk is that of a serious event for which she is scapegoated and asked to tender her resignation.

She will then have lost her platform.

She would be an outstanding Secretary of State and her worst enemies would be the Obama Administration, her Party and the press.

World leaders are a piece of cake in comparison.

[CGP]

Hey Muzza! Don't be a stranger! Yup SOS is a biggie... but odd reactions abound how they can't believe BO would pick her. Oh well, same old Hillary bashing -- nothing new there!:rolleyes:

Yes, she can't win either way.

I think it's good news, however.

And I hope it becomes a reality - would certainly strengthen the rationale for having HCF retain its name!

[VotingHillary]

I hope this post finds you well. It is great to be back home!:D

[CGP]

I hope this post finds you well. It is great to be back home!:D

Separations, divorce, reunions, new r/ships etc - all part of the life course!!! ;)

[Irony!]

Separations, divorce, reunions, new r/ships etc - all part of the life course!!! ;)

((((((HUGS, M.)))))))
Wish you the best.

[PCFS1]

Hope all is well Murray.

[CGP]

Well, I know some people wanted to access their messages etc, so now is the time to do so!

[Calico]

I, too, hope this message find you feeling rested and refreshed.

Thank you for re-opening the forum.

:)

[diane]

Ahh... back home once again, just in time for the Holidays! Well...even if it's just for a short visit it's good to be home. And it's good to hear from you Murray! I hope you're doing well and things are going fabulous! :)

[mjoynaples]

Wow, yes the SOS is a biggie for HRC ... I am nervous about why that might be... do not believe it may be in HRC's best interest and of course we know she is brillant so the world will love her... however, now there is chatter that they will not allow Bill to do his fundraising talks without Bho's approval of content this feels too big brother to me...

great to be back and see the place muzza...

[eyedoc333]

I trust Hillary about deciding whether to take the SoS position. In some ways, I see the Secretary of State job as even more powerful than VP, in terms of international influence and exposure.

[CGP]

I trust Hillary about deciding whether to take the SoS position. In some ways, I see the Secretary of State job as even more powerful than VP, in terms of international influence and exposure.

Yes, I agree with both of these statements.

Hillary Clinton is an intelligent person & politician.

I think she knows what's best in terms of her career.

[DrLisa]

I really hope it happens, but it is so hard to tell what is out of the spin room, and what is for real. I guess in a few days we will know for sure.

I don't understand on the stuff about Bill's businesses getting in the way. Why does that have to do with anything as long as it stays seperate?

[CGP]

I really hope it happens, but it is so hard to tell what is out of the spin room, and what is for real. I guess in a few days we will know for sure.

I don't understand on the stuff about Bill's businesses getting in the way. Why does that have to do with anything as long as it stays seperate?

Yes, 2008 showed very powerfully how the media can make a story of anything at all. And creating hysteria across the media about political issues makes money.

I guess the issue with Bill's activities is that it could present a potential conflict of interest - or more accurately leave HC open to accusations of favoring certain countries/regions if it could be shown Bill Clinton had received support from these places through his international activities. I don't think it should be a big deal though and she shouldn't be blocked from the role on this basis.

[AlexG]

I agree. In fact, I have mixed feeling. One hand, I want her on SOS button and proof that she is the right person for 3 AM call once and for all. On the other hand, will this really hurt her chance to run for president again (for whatever reason related to this SOS position)? Aweee.... Mannn....

PS. I am so excited thinking Hillary is back in the forefront again. Wah Hoo!!!! YEEE HAH!!!

[CGP]

PS. I am so excited thinking Hillary is back in the forefront again. Wah Hoo!!!! YEEE HAH!!!

Yes, that is the appeal for me too in regards to the SoS position! :cool:

[Brooke]

Murray..you rule. And I am THRILLED witih this prospect, behind it 110% and it has nothing to do with Obama, for me. It's about the Peace Process, it's about restoring America's reputation around the world. It's about getting Bill off the sidelines of the Middle East Diplomacy. He said during the campaign that Hillary would get Oslo back on track. Here's her shot.

And it's about restoring Yitzhak Rabin's legacy.

I have prayed for all of this for so long. And lately I've looked for meaning to this whole year, the silver lining. I may have found it. It would be amazing.

And the best part: It would drive Netanyahu absolutely crazy! :D

Oh yeah, and I may have to send her my resume, see if she'll let me help with the peace process. I don't really have any hands on experience, but obviously we know that doesn't matter anymore..ha.

[DrLisa]

Yes, 2008 showed very powerfully how the media can make a story of anything at all. And creating hysteria across the media about political issues makes money.

I guess the issue with Bill's activities is that it could present a potential conflict of interest - or more accurately leave HC open to accusations of favoring certain countries/regions if it could be shown Bill Clinton had received support from these places through his international activities. I don't think it should be a big deal though and she shouldn't be blocked from the role on this basis.

I see....I didn't think about the favoritism thing. I still think that is minor compared to what the nation and BO would gain.

[endodoc79]

Secretary of state is the most powerful position in the cabinet and is 4th in line to POTUS after VP, speaker of the House and president pro tempore of the Senate.

Six former presidents were also SOS, with the first being Thomas Jefferson and the last James Buchanan who left office in 1861 as the country was entering Civil War. Since then it has really not been a stepping stone to the presidency.

My problem with HRC taking the position is that it would be with BHO. So by definition it would be fraudulent. She would be forced to carry out his policies or resign. Ultimately the decision is hers to ponder how any moves will affect her future political career.

[CGP]

And I am THRILLED witih this prospect, behind it 110% and it has nothing to do with Obama, for me.

I hear ya and agree. I have noticed in recent months that some people are simply obsessed with Obama 24/7 and interpret the actions of all & sundry through that lens which obviously leads to major errors of interpretation/judgment. Heaven-forbid Hillary Clinton might have an opinion/agenda of her own!! A pro-hillary perspective/framework is much more powerful and constructive than an anti-obama perspective/framework.

[Brooke]

Secretary of state is the most powerful position in the cabinet and is 4th in line to POTUS after VP, speaker of the House and president pro tempore of the Senate.

Six former presidents were also SOS, with the first being Thomas Jefferson and the last James Buchanan who left office in 1861 as the country was entering Civil War. Since then it has really not been a stepping stone to the presidency.

My problem with HRC taking the position is that it would be with BHO. So by definition it would be fraudulent. She would be forced to carry out his policies or resign. Ultimately the decision is hers to ponder how any moves will affect her future political career.

See, and I don't see it that way. Obama has a lot to prove, especially with the Middle East. One of the BIGGEST REASONS I voted AGAINST him was because I was scared to death that he'd do nothing for the peace process, for Israel, for Middle East diplomacy. If Hillary gets to be SoS, this changes EVERYTHING. He's going to need all the help he can get too, especially if Bibi gets elected.

[ZY123]

The buzz about Hillary possibly becoming Secretary of State has prompted me to re-open HCF for now. I would love to see Hillary claim the stage on the international front. She would do America proud!

Personally I'm all for this. I think Hillary would make an excellent SoS.

[TeejDee]

Missed our home here.

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[AlexG]

Yes, that is the appeal for me too in regards to the SoS position! :cool:

Yeah, and Ted Kennedy is also courting her for a chairman position in Healthcare.... She is wanted everywhere..... I have wishful feeling that she is my president right now... :D

[Lillie]

I agree. She would be excellent.

And thanks for reopening!

[Kbentleyis]

I don't believe BHO will make it easy for her to be SoS. Bill has never been in conflict with past president on his speeches and where his funds are coming from, why now? Incidentally, since BHO's campaign funds are not be audited, I think the subject should remain moot.

[CGP]

Incidentally, since BHO's campaign funds are not be audited, I think the subject should remain moot.

Good point.

If $600 million can be raised without scrutiny, whatever Bill has raised/spent in his international activities should barely be even relevant.

[RE:]

I don't believe BHO will make it easy for her to be SoS. Bill has never been in conflict with past president on his speeches and where his funds are coming from, why now? Incidentally, since BHO's campaign funds are not be audited, I think the subject should remain moot.

Good point.

If $600 million can be raised without scrutiny, whatever Bill has raised/spent in his international activities should barely be even relevant.

Exactly!!!

Who's vetting the vetters?

[hillary4change]

This is a great thread, because it is all about Hillary!!! I can't help but love and support her.

I am supposed to be in bed, but had to read this whole thread, and weigh in for a moment.

I think her being SOS will help to restore confidence in America again. Also, anyone wanting to test obama will have to test a Clinton! I don't think it is as likely. Her being SOS makes me feel safer!

I also am worried about her voice being stifled, as she is working for him and his agenda. She has so much power in the senate. I also worry about the media trying to put everything off on Hillary. But we have been down that road before and we have an army of Hillary supporters as well as a cache of e-mail addresses at our finger tips! Look out KO here we come!!!

[Horizon]

I love the idea of Hill as SoS,but I can't help but feel it is a setup.JMHO.

[MrSandMan]

I hope we can all come together and get along so the forum stays open.

[deniseds]

Thank you for reopening the forum Murray. I hope you are doing well.

[CGP]

Thanks to all above for the nice messages. :)

It's impossible to please everyone, so if just a few are content, that's a good thing.

[ZY123]

Incidentally, since BHO's campaign funds are not be audited, I think the subject should remain moot.

Break. Point. Match.

I think this is an excellent point - all should be held to equal scrutiny or lack thereof.

[GingerC]

Welcome back! I am new. I lurked here since Sept but was never able to join up.

I am registered Republican, but I consider myself conservative before party affiliation. In point of fact I am conservative with strong libertarian leanings

I voted McCain/Palin because of Sarah Palin and most importantly AGAINST BHO.. that said, IF he does something right I will support him as the President of MY country.... (somehow I don't think I will have to, hehehehe)

Well enough for now... off to read the forum.
__________________
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[Brooke]

Yeah, and Ted Kennedy is also courting her for a chairman position in Healthcare.... She is wanted everywhere..... I have wishful feeling that she is my president right now... :D

Can you give a source on this? I heard he rejected her help with Health Care. And I have a very hard time believing Teddy would be courting her for anything.

[ImmaSlave4U]

^ Yeah, I heard the bid to chair a healthcare committee was denied.

[Brooke]

^ Yeah, I heard the bid to chair a healthcare committee was denied.


http://www.nypost.com/seven/11082008/news/politics/denied_137757.htm

[ImmaSlave4U]

^ I guess Kennedy announced Monday that while he intends to chair any hearings himself, he says Hillary will lead a working group on insurance coverage.

[Brooke]

Which is the same as a consolation prize. I hope she tells him to put it where the sun don't shine.

She can't even get a subcommittee chairmanship, how in the heck do people think she can become Majority Leader?

Leave, Hillary. Leave before it's too late.

[shenanigans]

I've been clicking on this link everyday to see if you'd revive the forum given the recent news. Hurray!

It's the best forum out here...and I'm glad it's here.

Thank you. :)

[foxyladi]

Murray, you are awesome... just so you know!:eek:

And I agree the discussion of Hillary being SoS is important.

oooooooooohh.its nice to be home again..thanks MURRAY:D:D:D

[mjoynaples]

This is a great thread, because it is all about Hillary!!! I can't help but love and support her.

I am supposed to be in bed, but had to read this whole thread, and weigh in for a moment.

I think her being SOS will help to restore confidence in America again. Also, anyone wanting to test obama will have to test a Clinton! I don't think it is as likely. Her being SOS makes me feel safer!

I also am worried about her voice being stifled, as she is working for him and his agenda. She has so much power in the senate. I also worry about the media trying to put everything off on Hillary. But we have been down that road before and we have an army of Hillary supporters as well as a cache of e-mail addresses at our finger tips! Look out KO here we come!!!


again it concerns me that She is once again being USED... she is hands down 100% more aware of the topics, discussions, the politics and manuevering that needs to happen... and we know the other one is just good at controlling the press for himself ... I fear she will always be under the bus from the beginning to the end just maybe in a different spot than where she is now... we are the only ones who want her on top... and then I also believe she will have her own power in the SENATE... more so than the other... despite what happen to pontus elect the foreign world doesn't elect our future pres and if there was appreciate for HRC elsewhere it will not work for HRC the way it works for BHO... sad to say...

Praying and lighting candle that HRC is guided with the wisdom she needs for this decision! www.gratefulness.org.

[Aria]

A pro-hillary perspective/framework is much more powerful and constructive than an anti-obama perspective/framework.[/B]

This is almost too positive, forward-thinking, even for me, Ms. Optimism! But I'll try to come around! I do think that Hillary is, by far, best-equipped for the SOS position, but am concerned about her being under Obama's thumb and carrying the burden of his decisions. Also, there's the prospect of missing her in the Senate and what she can do for the country as a Senator or Majority Leader. But, no question, she is valuable, wherever she ends up.

Welcome back, Murray! So good to see the Forum open again! I'm not an original member here, but long enough to really appreciate everything this site offers in management, content, and exchange. Hooray!

[Crotalus]

I'm glad to see the forum re-opened! :) I checked daily! Way to go!

[lynfreedom]

Honestly, it's the best news in a long time - the SOS development - and I hope it comes true. I seriously hope it's not a dud ploy just to make Obama look gratious in victory and without any real intention/plan to give her the job.

Some suggest it makes Hillary look weak. I disagree strongly. It's a super platform from which to maintain and strengthen her political identity on the national & international stage.


I agree. I think she will make it her own and if she shows that she has great power there and BO shows weakness causes all kinds of things to happen then she could come up to run in 2012 and get by with it.

Don't trust his motives totally but have to move beyond that.

Thanks Murray, I missed HCF.

[Folamix]

I've been clicking on this link everyday to see if you'd revive the forum given the recent news. Hurray!

It's the best forum out here...and I'm glad it's here.

Thank you. :)

I agree Thanks Murray!!

[Cooney]

I'm sure glad I checked back, just because. Wow, were back. My day is complete. So glad to be back at the forum. Love Cooney

[Folamix]

i hear ya and agree. I have noticed in recent months that some people are simply obsessed with obama 24/7 and interpret the actions of all & sundry through that lens which obviously leads to major errors of interpretation/judgment. Heaven-forbid hillary clinton might have an opinion/agenda of her own!! a pro-hillary perspective/framework is much more powerful and constructive than an anti-obama perspective/framework.

stamp!!

[12counts]

The buzz about Hillary possibly becoming Secretary of State has prompted me to re-open HCF for now.

Our fearless leader is alive. We've missed you.

[12counts]

My problem with HRC taking the position is that it would be with BHO. So by definition it would be fraudulent. She would be forced to carry out his policies or resign. Ultimately the decision is hers to ponder how any moves will affect her future political career.

I hope the idea of Hilldawg being beholden to and taking marching orders from The Affirmative Action Bush is as unappealing to her as it is to me.

Would rather she stay, and wait patiently, in the Senate. That way she can run again in 2012 or 2016, and if neither works out, they by 2018 she'll have seniority and can really begin to control the Democratic legislative agenda.

The key is patience. I don't think she should rush into this job so soon after the election.

[ginamc]

I hope the idea of Hilldawg being beholden to and taking marching orders from The Affirmative Action Bush is as unappealing to her as it is to me.

Would rather she stay, and wait patiently, in the Senate. That way she can run again in 2012 or 2016, and if neither works out, they by 2018 she'll have seniority and can really begin to control the Democratic legislative agenda.

The key is patience. I don't think she should rush into this job so soon after the election.

STAMP. I also feel that the BO Administration will be highlighted by the ECONOMY -- and, that Hillary should be in charge of Health Care. I really hope that she stays in the Senate and makes her real mark -- taking over Ted Kennedy's place -- he's offering Hillary that spot, she should go for it. Of course, if she is SOS, that's fine, but I really am tired of Hillary propping up BO. I'm ready for Hillary to go do her OWN THING!

Hi Murray -- hope all is well!:)

[philmwri]

We need to flood her office with calls.She does not need to be near the Obama's or any of those former Clinton cabinet members.We all know Obama is going to be a failure and why would we want Hillary to be connected to that.They already blame her for everything Bill did.

[Brooke]

We need to flood her office with calls.She does not need to be near the Obama's or any of those former Clinton cabinet members.We all know Obama is going to be a failure and why would we want Hillary to be connected to that.They already blame her for everything Bill did.

No, we don't need to do that. It's her choice and we should support her no matter what.

[CGP]

Our fearless leader is alive. We've missed you.

I think it's a very small minority that have missed me! ;)

But I am ok with that.

[FlaDem]

I think it's a very small minority that have missed me! ;)

But I am ok with that.

Murray, it's good to see you back. By the way, don't sell yourself short. I think you underestimate the number of people that have missed you.

Please do tell how long you anticipate HCF being up and running. Days, weeks--what? Even when HCF goes back into hibernation or coma or whatever, please, don't be a stranger. Visit us at Hillary's Village.

[LetsHelpAmerica]

Hi Murray! Hope all is well with you!

I think Hillary is the most talented person to fill the Sec. of State position but I do not think she should go for it.

I'd like to see Hillary remain in the Senate where she can work on important issues that are of very high importance to herself and our country. Health Care Reform and so many other policies would benefit from Hillary as Senator.

I think Hillary will shine like the brightest star in the senate galaxy and she will gain her power there. I'm afraid for her if she leaves her senate seat.

[CGP]

By the way, don't sell yourself short. I think you underestimate the number of people that have missed you.


(general comment, not directed at you :) )

Not sure about that - judging by some of the comments I have read about me. You (general) would swear I was Hitler based on some of the drivel I have read. It's difficult to be "tolerant" and "accepting" of views which have no basis in reality and which are expressed with a degree of hostility which I find unattractive. How quickly some people are to judge...:rolleyes:

[FlaDem]

(general comment, not directed at you :) )

Not sure about that - judging by some of the comments I have read about me. You (general) would swear I was Hitler based on some of the drivel I have read. It's difficult to be "tolerant" and "accepting" of views which have no basis in reality and which are expressed with a degree of hostility which I find unattractive. How quickly some people are to judge...:rolleyes:

That said, how long will you and HCF be here?

[CGP]

That said, how long will you and HCF be here?

At this stage I am not putting a time on it.

The SoS developments certainly excited me.

And I do have a genuine interest in viewing/discussing politics from a non-partisan perspective. The challenge, however, is in attracting people who are also interested in such an activity and who are capable of not attacking/insulting those who may disagree with their views. I'v been there myself - being very attached to a candidate/position and reacting to all & sundry who disagreed with me. But ultimately I don't think it's a powerful position to be in as it is very limiting.

[FlaDem]

One more thing, Murray. When you decide to close up shop again, please give us the teensiest advance notice. Please don't pull the rug out from underneath again without a little bit of warning. We need to know when the plug is being pulled.

Better yet, as asked, let us know now. People who would like to have access to their postings and PMs might need a bit of time to get that done. Murray, thanks for the second chance at HCF.

[CGP]

One more thing, Murray. When you decide to close up shop again, please give us the teensiest advance notice. Please don't pull the rug out from underneath again without a little bit of warning. We need to know when the plug is being pulled.

Better yet, as asked, let us know now. People who would like to have access to their postings and PMs might need a bit of time to get that done. Murray, thanks for the second chance at HCF.

Oh, I have no imminent plans to shutdown again. But nothing is permanent.

And yes next time I will give more notice if/when it's going to happen.

[Captain Obvious]

I for one look forward to civil discussions about politics on this forum. In the past, I registered, only to be met with the banhammer and false accusations of insulting members thru PM. I was signed up under the name JSND08, and here's what a member accused me of saying:

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=27636&highlight=JSND08&page=2

The first part of the quote is my PM to her after she sent me a nasty PM telling me off. The second quote is her acting like me. After searching for her posts now, I can see she's sort of....angry?

[Folamix]

How quickly some people are to judge...

But you have to ask yourself, were you really surprised?

No, we don't need to do that. It's her choice and we should support her no matter what.

STAMP!!

[CGP]

I for one look forward to civil discussions about politics on this forum.

That's the goal, regardless of which candidate/party a member supports.

[Ranger375]

I for one would sleep much better at night if Hillary gets the SOS job. She is strong enough and experienced enough to keep us out of trouble and to keep our allies close.

I am sure pulling for her!

[VotingHillary]

I think I will be able to sleep better at 3am knowing she would be answering that call.

[JoanneGreco]

Just wanted to stop in and say hello. Have a nice Thanksgiving. :)

[no_more_bush]

I'm so glad this forum is open again, I could not take Democratic Underground for much longer..

[CGP]

I'm so glad this forum is open again, I could not take Democratic Underground for much longer..

Good to see you back. It's been a while!

[Hillary'sVegasFan]

I had been going through Hillary Clinton Forum withdrawal since you closed the forum and was barely signing up for HillarysVillage today, when I saw a thread talking about the forum being open again, yay!!

I'm exited and nervous about Hillary for SOS, my fear is that she will be taken advantage of, used, and fired if she does not go lock and step with Obama plans... but we shall see.

[Horizon]

I'm so glad this forum is open again, I could not take Democratic Underground for much longer..
What in the Hell were you doing there??? Place is a dump!
Glad to see you!


I had been going through Hillary Clinton Forum withdrawal since you closed the forum and was barely signing up for HillarysVillage today, when I saw a thread talking about the forum being open again, yay!!

I'm exited and nervous about Hillary for SOS, my fear is that she will be taken advantage of, used, and fired if she does not go lock and step with Obama plans... but we shall see.

I feel the same.I think it's a set up in every way.

[CGP]

I had been going through Hillary Clinton Forum withdrawal since you closed the forum

I think you & me both! ;)

[SojournerTruth]

re-open HCF for now.

It's a miracle!!! I clicked on my forum bookmark by accident and thought i was dreaming. great to see everyone back. I am sooooo happy. Thank you administrator.

by the way. I am saving my letter from the DNC where they agreed to remove my name from all their various orgs, my UNOPENED 2008 absentee ballot and will frame them together as a reminder of the year the Dems screwed their base.

By the way-my guess is the Secy of State thing is just a sham like the VP rumors-Obama's recent decisions prove he is just what we all knew the lowest form of a politician-a chameleon that tries to play all sides.

it will be interesting to see what kind of hoopla he does for his inauguration. he is still hitting Obots like my husband up for money-can you believe it with our economy going into the toilet. i say let the Pritzkers, UBS, Google and his Hollywood buddies pay for his inauguration

[rob3gdd]

i have been checking the site everyday to see if it would open with the secretary news

[rob3gdd]

It's a miracle!!! I clicked on my forum bookmark by accident and thought i was dreaming. great to see everyone back. I am sooooo happy. Thank you administrator.

by the way. I am saving my letter from the DNC where they agreed to remove my name from all their various orgs, my UNOPENED 2008 absentee ballot and will frame them together as a reminder of the year the Dems screwed their base.

By the way-my guess is the Secy of State thing is just a sham like the VP rumors-Obama's recent decisions prove he is just what we all knew the lowest form of a politician-a chameleon that tries to play all sides.

it will be interesting to see what kind of hoopla he does for his inauguration. he is still hitting Obots like my husband up for money-can you believe it with our economy going into the toilet. i say let the Pritzkers, UBS, Google and his Hollywood buddies pay for his inauguration

agreed. just a sham

[RE:]

By the way-my guess is the Secy of State thing is just a sham like the VP rumors-Obama's recent decisions prove he is just what we all knew the lowest form of a politician-a chameleon that tries to play all sides.
Great point and one that I had pondered. Probably just more propaganda to keep some of us from thinking about how he could not even take the time to go to his grandmothers funeral...or the fact that he just wants President Clinton's donor list to tap into...or how the global market has, for the first time after an election, been down so dismally...you name it and it's probably the reason for making us wait and have to hear 'will she or won't she'.

[G'aal]

agreed. just a sham

Disagree. It's being floated out there so prominently that it's nearly impossible now that she won't get the job.

She's perfect for the role. Intelligent, knowledgeable on foreign affairs, and an excellent communicator. I told my wife shortly after Obama won the primary that Hillary would end up as Secretary of State if he won the general election.

We desperately need someone like Hillary to repair the damage the Bush administration caused over the last eight years. Really, there isn't a better choice out there - period.

Glad to see the forum is up again, Murray.

[Brooke]

I for one look forward to civil discussions about politics on this forum. In the past, I registered, only to be met with the banhammer and false accusations of insulting members thru PM. I was signed up under the name JSND08, and here's what a member accused me of saying:

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=27636&highlight=JSND08&page=2

The first part of the quote is my PM to her after she sent me a nasty PM telling me off. The second quote is her acting like me. After searching for her posts now, I can see she's sort of....angry?

Welcome to the forum! I love your screen name.

[rosesnc]

I kept checking the link every couple of days even though I KNEW the forum was closed. A happy surprise for this morning!

I can't decide whether SOS is a good thing for Hilary or not. I think her voice will be greatly missed in the Senate, but there is this. Given the seniority of so many Senators, Hilary would have to be there a long time to get the truely plum committee chairmanships. SOS is out loud even if it is under Obama's administration.

So far Obama has been largely appointing Clinton administration people. Maybe there is a cumulative voice there, maybe not.

I don't think I have enough political knowledge to do a good analysis and its early days.

The Democratic Underground guys are really, really unhappy at Obama for the Clinton administration appointments.

[universala]

I think HCF should continue to stay open. It would be a great way for us to continue to offer our support to Hillary, whether she is a Senator, Secretary of State or future Presidential candidate.

[TheTaoOfBill]

Are you still allowing Obama supporters like me? I'm not sure because you changed the name back to HCF but you haven't changed your user name.

[JMS825]

I will pass on Hillary being SoS Even if it gives Hillary power and a better paycheck. I dont want Hillary baby sitting Obama and taking the heat when he screws up.Hillary is no Rice but Obama is Bush. I am more interested in Dec 1st and Dec5th when Bergs Case and Leo's case is in front of the SC. If Obama is not the pres come Jan 20th then Hillar as SoS is fine by me

[Catherine]

Personally, I don't have high hopes for universal health coverage - not in this time of extreme economic upheaval anyway. The only way health care will be addressed is in a piecemeal way - extending coverage for children (Obama's original plan). It's unfortunate too because the economy should provide an opportunity to look anew at how we deliver health care and extracting greater efficiencies.

I favor looking at ways to separate health care from employment. It would be so innovative if the feds could come up with a program to cover auto workers - those still employed and those retirees whose health care costs are so staggering and crippling the auto industry. If the government could design a program that was attractive, affordable, it could be extended further into the population.

We're a selfish populace though. We want what we have - yet most of us who receive our health care through plans paid for by our employers have no clue what the real cost is. There's a statistic - I can't recall exact numbers but too much of our health care dollars are expended in the FINAL MONTHS of our lives. That means that too much money is spent keeping us alive without regard to the quality of that life. In our own lives we need to be making better use of 'living wills' and health care proxies - determining what or whether to use extraordinary means to extend our lives, communicating our wishes to our loved ones and establishing health care proxies to insure our wishes are carried out.

I'm sure each of us is aware of wasteful practices and services in healthcare that could be eliminated to reduce overall costs.

Thanks to the Forum for letting me sound off on a subject that is close to my heart.

[Donald]

The buzz about Hillary possibly becoming Secretary of State has prompted me to re-open HCF for now. I would love to see Hillary claim the stage on the international front. She would do America proud!

Its great to see HCF back up..I hope the break did people some good. It did for me.

This is a very positive time for some of us die-hard Hillary supporters. I have a new respect for Obama for having the wisdom to "ask" Hillary about this job. I think this will only make Hillary stronger and its my sense that she would be excellant in this position...always in my mind SOS could be a more important role than even President, as whomever takes on this role will have a tremendous task ahead of her or him. Hillary will shine in this role and I believe will make her a shoe-in for a 2016 run as President.

I am glad the forum is back. I have accepted Barack Obama as my next President and feel we all should really get together to make our country better. We are facing tough times and its time to find that common ground.

Thanks for opening the forum back up...hope its continues as a tool to support Hillary and her future endevors.

[CGP]

Its great to see HCF back up..I hope the break did people some good. It did for me.

This is a very positive time for some of us die-hard Hillary supporters. I have a new respect for Obama for having the wisdom to "ask" Hillary about this job. I think this will only make Hillary stronger and its my sense that she would be excellant in this position...always in my mind SOS could be a more important role than even President, as whomever takes on this role will have a tremendous task ahead of her or him. Hillary will shine in this role and I believe will make her a shoe-in for a 2016 run as President.

I am glad the forum is back. I have accepted Barack Obama as my next President and feel we all should really get together to make our country better. We are facing tough times and its time to find that common ground.

Thanks for opening the forum back up...hope its continues as a tool to support Hillary and her future endevors.

Kudos to you! :cool:

[CGP]

Are you still allowing Obama supporters like me? I'm not sure because you changed the name back to HCF but you haven't changed your user name.

Well, you are still posting. Does that answer your question?

Regarding the name, that's just a temporary banner. The plan is still to change to CGP in due course.

[CGP]

The Democratic Underground guys are really, really unhappy at Obama for the Clinton administration appointments.

No surprise there. A fairly consistent theme from some of those on the Obama-supporting side has been this - if they don't get 100% what they want they complain a lot. Some of them seem to have forgotten that without Hillary Clinton's votes going Obama's way, he would have LOST the election. No doubt about it.

[CGP]

Disagree. It's being floated out there so prominently that it's nearly impossible now that she won't get the job.

She's perfect for the role. Intelligent, knowledgeable on foreign affairs, and an excellent communicator. I told my wife shortly after Obama won the primary that Hillary would end up as Secretary of State if he won the general election.

We desperately need someone like Hillary to repair the damage the Bush administration caused over the last eight years. Really, there isn't a better choice out there - period.

Glad to see the forum is up again, Murray.

Glad to see you back & I sincerely hope that Hillary gets that job!

[CGP]

It's a miracle!!! I clicked on my forum bookmark by accident and thought i was dreaming. great to see everyone back. I am sooooo happy. Thank you administrator.

Well actually it's a significantly smaller crowd but I understand/recognize that the new focus of the forum does not appeal to many that previously frequented this forum.

[MrSandMan]

Well actually it's a significantly smaller crowd but I understand/recognize that the new focus of the forum does not appeal to many that previously frequented this forum.

I'm sure there are many great people waiting in line to sign up as we speak. We can't grow without growing pains, unfortunately life doesn't work that way.

[CGP]

I'm sure there are many great people waiting in line to sign up as we speak. We can't grow without growing pains, unfortunately life doesn't work that way.

Yes, transition is often difficult.

Hopefully the pain will be worth it in the end!

[hillarymyhero]

The buzz about Hillary possibly becoming Secretary of State has prompted me to re-open HCF for now. I would love to see Hillary claim the stage on the international front. She would do America proud!

Hey
Thanks for re opening this forum for all of us, strong Hillary Clinton supporters...

To tell you the truth , when I heard news about Hillary as our sec. of state..I almost jumped out of my bed and got excited and I missed all you guys....and wished,if, you could re open our forum....

And gee , here we go again....:DLOL

Well, I still see Hillary as my President...but, she would be the best, simply the best , better than all the rest in any role she plays....

I wish Americans can use Hillary's excellent talents rightly.
I was sad, not to see Hillary in any position,but, this brought hope in me , seeing my hero engaging in the best foreign affairs...I can't wait to see her in her new role.....WoW!!!! I love Hillary:)

[hillarymyhero]

Since Hillary would be our sec. of state..I would sleep with ease because I wouldn't trust Obama's admin. before...but, this will save me from worrying about our security....

I always wished Hillary to be someone other than first lady...

Don't take me wrong, I respect Bill,but, he lost my respect when he got himself in to Louinsky affair....

But, that whole drama made me much closer to Hillary...she is the answer to all our prayers, we are lucky to have Hillary as our leader.......

[pnevai]

Yes it is so nice to be back. I had to be happy yelling at my computer for the last two days, about some other potential Obama appointments. But more on that later.

I am tornn between wanting Hillary to accept the position and to say no and remain independent. Saying yes means a position to effect some great changes but not really where her passionis and that is health care, also if she accepts it is a foregone conclusion that she will not be running in 2012. If she stays in the senate all of her options are open, but she will not have the clout of the SoS.I mean think about it, she come in after Condi, So is SoS really that big a deal when you think about it?

I suppose it all depends hpw much freedom she is granted in the position. I can see her effectinb great changes, but just as easily could be hamstrung as not mouch more than a high profile gofer, and once she accepts there is no going back or resigning no matter what happens as that would mark her as unsupportive and ungrateful and kill her political reputation.

She should only accept if she has given up any desire to run for higher political office in the future.

[Horizon]

Yes it is so nice to be back. I had to be happy yelling at my computer for the last two days, about some other potential Obama appointments. But more on that later.

I am tornn between wanting Hillary to accept the position and to say no and remain independent. Saying yes means a position to effect some great changes but not really where her passionis and that is health care, also if she accepts it is a foregone conclusion that she will not be running in 2012. If she stays in the senate all of her options are open, but she will not have the clout of the SoS.I mean think about it, she come in after Condi, So is SoS really that big a deal when you think about it?

I suppose it all depends hpw much freedom she is granted in the position. I can see her effectinb great changes, but just as easily could be hamstrung as not mouch more than a high profile gofer, and once she accepts there is no going back or resigning no matter what happens as that would mark her as unsupportive and ungrateful and kill her political reputation.

She should only accept if she has given up any desire to run for higher political office in the future.

Welcome Back!! Good to see you again!

[SantaCruzen]

You Could Resist the Temptation of Not Seeing All of U.S. Again.

[JustMom]

Thnk you for re-opening the forum. I missed it!

As for Hillary as SOS, I was hoping she would get a SCOUS appointment. I knew she had never been a judge but she would be good at the job I think. I must say, picking so many Clinton people has calmed some of my fears/concerns about the BO presidency.

[CGP]

Welcome back to those who have discovered the forum is open again! :cool:

[Horizon]

Welcome back to those who have discovered the forum is open again! :cool:

Thank you Murray,for allowing some of us back and not holding a grudge.
I am actually enjoying seeing the interaction between people with so many different ideas and beliefs.I could not see how that would work before the closure,and I appreciate the cool down time it provided.
You're doing a great job at making sure the lines of respect are not being crossed.:D

[CGP]

Thank you Murray,for allowing some of us back and not holding a grudge.
I am actually enjoying seeing the interaction between people with so many different ideas and beliefs.I could not see how that would work before the closure,and I appreciate the cool down time it provided.
You're doing a great job at making sure the lines of respect are not being crossed.:D

See, progress is possible! ;)

[Horizon]

See, progress is possible! ;)

Yep.If I can do this,anyone can!!

[CGP]

Back open but with a new group of enemies! :eek:

Ah politics, you never know what's around the corner.

[joeysky18]

Back open but with a new group of enemies! :eek:

Ah politics, you never know what's around the corner.

I don't regard this new group as enemies. There might be some misunderstanding, but I don't think this new group want any harm done to you or the forum. They just don't share the new direction that you want to take and disappointed with the abrupt transition.

[Meg]

I don't regard this new group as enemies. There might be some misunderstanding, but I don't think this new group want any harm done to you or the forum. They just don't share the new direction that you want to take and disappointed with the abrupt transition.


Oh no Joey... it's enemies. Trust me on that one.:rolleyes:

[CGP]

I don't regard this new group as enemies. There might be some misunderstanding, but I don't think this new group want any harm done to you or the forum. They just don't share the new direction that you want to take and disappointed with the abrupt transition.

From what I have read & heard, I would have to disagree, in part.

But I hold no grudges and I think it's a good thing that people have various places on the Internet where they can discuss politics. It's good to have options & choices.

I don't feel the need to be "popular" or anything like that or for HCF to win any stats prizes.

If HCF has just 2 people posting that's ok. It's not a competition.

Nothing is fixed in this life - things are everchanging. And I am content with my decision to go with the flow of life & adjust the forum's direction in line with changed circumstances.

[ZY123]

From what I have read & heard, I would have to disagree, in part.

But I hold no grudges and I think it's a good thing that people have various places on the Internet where they can discuss politics. It's good to have options & choices.

I don't feel the need to be "popular" or anything like that or for HCF to win any stats prizes.

If HCF has just 2 people posting that's ok. It's not a competition.

Nothing is fixed in this life - things are everchanging. And I am content with my decision to go with the flow of life & adjust the forum's direction in line with changed circumstances.

Sometimes doing what you believe isn't popular....but it's still the right thing to do.

[CGP]

Sometimes doing what you believe isn't popular....but it's still the right thing to do.

I would rather do what I think is the right thing to do, rather than do what I think will be the most popular choice.

I didn't start HCF to be popular that's for sure - heck, it brought me more negative attention than I cared for!

[Aria]

Nothing is fixed in this life - things are everchanging. And I am content with my decision to go with the flow of life & adjust the forum's direction in line with changed circumstances.

Sounds good to me. I believe it's the right decision and I look forward to where this goes. If we can concentrate on issues and not so much on personalities, it could be very interesting and worthwhile. We could find ourselves on "common ground" more often than not. At the very least, we could all become more informed about views unlike our own, and how people arrive at those views. Seems to me that's a cornerstone for building respect, acknowledging that views other than our own may have validity, thereby increasing our understanding of one another. We may have to dig deep for this to happen - we can't move ahead with emotion ready to pop on a second's notice. This election brought about deep emotional ties to the candidates, for reasons we understand in different ways. I think that as we get to grapple with issues important to everyone, we'll rise to the occasion.

[CGP]

Sounds good to me. I believe it's the right decision and I look forward to where this goes. If we can concentrate on issues and not so much on personalities, it could be very interesting and worthwhile. We could find ourselves on "common ground" more often than not. At the very least, we could all become more informed about views unlike our own, and how people arrive at those views. Seems to me that's a cornerstone for building respect, acknowledging that views other than our own may have validity, thereby increasing our understanding of one another. We may have to dig deep for this to happen - we can't move ahead with emotion ready to pop on a second's notice. This election brought about deep emotional ties to the candidates, for reasons we understand in different ways. I think that as we get to grapple with issues important to everyone, we'll rise to the occasion.

Very well articulated. You have said what I am aiming/hoping for!

[Aria]

Very well articulated. You have said what I am aiming/hoping for!

Super! Thank you - and thank you, also, for all your work and patience. I think we all need to exercise that patience through this transformation process!

[CGP]

Sometimes doing what you believe isn't popular....but it's still the right thing to do.

I will remember this whenever I read comments elsewhere which grossly distort, misrepresent and mock what is trying to be achieved here. :mad: Some of the comments I have read (elsewhere) make me wonder if those who made them are actually talking about the same forum (HCF) given the statements are so inaccurate & untrue?!

[geneo]

im glad the sites up,but do we have to put up with the obama supporters here now? nothings changed he,s still obama.

[CGP]

im glad the sites up,but do we have to put up with the obama supporters here now? nothings changed he,s still obama.

Yes. People are people first and foremost.

The move forward in this forum is to be more inclusive.

Just like Republicans were allowed to post in this forum when they discovered it, so too should those who voted for Obama.

"Common ground" is not about surrending one's beliefs and singing "kumbaya" around the campire. It's about respecting that people can disagree with each other and yet still communicate on a civil level.

Anyone who is abusive - regardless of whom they support - will still be shown the door. That hasn't changed.

[Den2006]

I'm very pleased to see the forum open again I missed it while it was down.