BATTLEGROUND THREAD: "Can we just forgive and forget the primaries?"

[TheTaoOfBill]

We're never going to agree on who wronged who here.

Obama supporters felt wronged by the kitchen sink stradegy while Hillary supporters felt wronged by the caucus system. It was a brutal primary but it was over months ago.

I really don't want to continue debating on who benefited most from their sex/race. It's such a stupid debate. It has absolutely no impact on our future.

I know some of you wanted to try to change the primary system but honestly there just aren't enough people who really care enough. There is no political will. It's basically a dead in the water issue and we aren't getting anywhere but a pointless argument that gets us all mad at each other over something that can't be changed and no longer matters.

We really need to get over it and end the war. Hillary is on Obama's team. There is no reason why we can't forgive and forget each other as well. There are so many more important issues that need to be talked about....

[Horizon]

We're never going to agree on who wronged who here.

Obama supporters felt wronged by the kitchen sink stradegy while Hillary supporters felt wronged by the caucus system. It was a brutal primary but it was over months ago.

I really don't want to continue debating on who benefited most from their sex/race. It's such a stupid debate. It has absolutely no impact on our future.

I know some of you wanted to try to change the primary system but honestly there just aren't enough people who really care enough. There is no political will. It's basically a dead in the water issue and we aren't getting anywhere but a pointless argument that gets us all mad at each other over something that can't be changed and no longer matters.

We really need to get over it and end the war. Hillary is on Obama's team. There is no reason why we can't forgive and forget each other as well. There are so many more important issues that need to be talked about....

Are you going to quit trying to convince us of the error of our ways??
If so,I agree.
We can all agree to disagree and talk about other stuff.It's not like there isn't anything going on.

[joeysky18]

what kitchen sink strategy? Obama threw the filthy sewage tank at her.

You better not bring it up.

I won't forget the race card against Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton.
I won't forget the bus loads of Illionois voters in Iowa caucus and others.

The caucus was only part of the problem. The main problem was Obama cheated in the caucus.


History was there to teach us the lesson.

[TheTaoOfBill]

Are you going to quit trying to convince us of the error of our ways??
If so,I agree.
We can all agree to disagree and talk about other stuff.It's not like there isn't anything going on.

Well I'll continue defending Obama where it applies but I'll try not to open any primary wounds.

[Meg]

Sorry but no. There is no way any of Clinton supporters are going to forget the treatment she recieved during the primaries and during the GE being dragged out like a show pony when necessary.:rolleyes:

We can agree maybe to not discuss it, but no one is forgetting anything.

[TheTaoOfBill]

what kitchen sink strategy? Obama threw the filthy sewage tank at her.

You better not bring it up.

I won't forget the race card against Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton.
I won't forget the bus loads of Illionois voters in Iowa caucus and others.

The caucus was only part of the problem. The main problem was Obama cheated in the caucus.


History was there to teach us the lesson.

:rolleyes:

[CGP]

I won't forget what happened in 2008. In regards to what happened to Hillary Clinton & the bashing of her candidacy/campaign, there was much to be offended & disturbed by. That said I am drained from discussing all that did/didn't happen and don't have much interest in debating anyone about the past. At this point I am fairly confident in my view of what happened and talking about it doesn't do much other than re-open old wounds. This is part of the reason I am preferring to look forwards, rather than backwards. But at the same time I won't forget what I believe is important historical information.

What I do agree with is this - getting involved in aggressive arguments about issues x, y and z from the election isn't particularly constructive at this point. Maybe we can have a "battle" subforum for those who wish to argue about such matters so the main room tone isn't cheapened by negative angst on both sides. I also cringe when I see people (from both sides) throwing personal insults at each other - it's possible to disagree without getting personal.

As the forum is in "transition" mode I think it's reasonable to expect that some of the disagreements will continue for some time. Eventually, however, as the forum becomes more diverse and more inclusive, the need to debate/argue about some of these issues may subside. Or maybe not. We will see.

[Horizon]

I'm not FORGETTING either.Just so we're clear on that.

[joeysky18]

:rolleyes:

Like I said, if you don't want to hear what I think about it, Don't bring it up.

[VotingHillary]

One word...NOPE...can't and will NEVER forget what the DNC did behind the scenes...why I have no party-affiliation now...BTW, are you winning the "who can get the most posts"? Murray, PM me on this.

[Meg]

:rolleyes:


Remember you had to bring up the subject.:rolleyes:

[Horizon]

One word...NOPE...can't and will NEVER forget what the DNC did behind the scenes...why I have no party-affiliation now...BTW, are you winning the "who can get the most posts"? Murray, PM me on this.

HAHAHA!!!

And Murray, a Battle sub forum is a great idea.Some people are needing to vent in that way.I will admit,I need it sometimes myself.Ripping complete strangers a new one can be cathartic.

[DrLisa]

We're never going to agree on who wronged who here.

Obama supporters felt wronged by the kitchen sink stradegy while Hillary supporters felt wronged by the caucus system. It was a brutal primary but it was over months ago.

I really don't want to continue debating on who benefited most from their sex/race. It's such a stupid debate. It has absolutely no impact on our future.

I know some of you wanted to try to change the primary system but honestly there just aren't enough people who really care enough. There is no political will. It's basically a dead in the water issue and we aren't getting anywhere but a pointless argument that gets us all mad at each other over something that can't be changed and no longer matters.

We really need to get over it and end the war. Hillary is on Obama's team. There is no reason why we can't forgive and forget each other as well. There are so many more important issues that need to be talked about....

You have got to be kidding me. I don't think Obama was wronged in any way. He had the media by his side the entire way, while they beat Hillary to death with the slightest things. What the heck is the kitchen sink?

[pnevai]

Oh no you don't It was not only Hillary that was defrauded, It was the millions of voters in Florida and Michigan!!!. The party that screamed COUNT EVERY VOTE in 2000 was more than happy to disenfranchise the voters of TWO states to get thier way.

Hell no! Did you even see the rules commitee Meeting? The political cronyism was sickening to watch. Obama was just fine with it, never once calling out that all votes should be counted equally!

I will never let this go just like I will never let go what happened in 2000, because it is clear that if you let them get away with it once they will do it over and over again. Which party will it be in 2012 and what states citizens will be defrauded of thier votes? How long would we tolerate such action until we become no better than the poor excuse of elections run in Russia or other corrupt countries.

I wont even get into the super delegates that were bought and paid for, nor the defections in states where the population overwhelmingly voted for Hillary.

The democratic party raped the constitution and the rights of citizens. This will never be excusable and never forgotten, and never gotten over. How dare you even imply it should be.

[Meg]

HAHAHA!!!

And Murray, a Battle sub forum is a great idea.Some people are needing to vent in that way.I will admit,I need it sometimes myself.Ripping complete strangers a new one can be cathartic.

**STAMP** :cool: I must say ripping people a new one is actually great to de-stress!:p

[SoCal4Hillary]

what kitchen sink strategy? Obama threw the filthy sewage tank at her.

You better not bring it up.

I won't forget the race card against Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton.
I won't forget the bus loads of Illionois voters in Iowa caucus and others.

The caucus was only part of the problem. The main problem was Obama cheated in the caucus.


History was there to teach us the lesson.Thank you, Joey. You just summed it up brilliantly.

*I* won't forget--or forgive--any of Obama's underhanded, lying, cheating ways either. And I mean NEVER.

[Horizon]

**STAMP** :cool: I must say ripping people a new one is actually great to de-stress!:p

:D:D:D:D

Obama supporters felt wronged by the kitchen sink stradegy while Hillary supporters felt wronged by the caucus system.

Again Bill,for the love of God and all that is holy.It is STRATEGY NOT STRADEGY!! Please,please please.I am a spelling freak,it makes me crazy.If you see my misspellings,it is a typing problem,not a brain problem.My fingers do not spell as well as I type.But Please,Oh Please,quit spelling strategy with a D.

Thank you,and this post is probably the nicest one you will see in this thread.
We can't seem to give you a break,or cut you any slack.Sorry!;)

[Meg]

Again Bill,for the love of God and all that is holy.It is STRATEGY NOT STRADEGY!!

Just because you reminded me....


Strategeryhttp://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_1_219.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxpt024YYUS)

[TheTaoOfBill]

I just don't think you guys understand that this sorta anger at the otherside went both ways. There are a lot of people on Obama's side who felt Hillary treated Obama in a way that was completely uncalled for.

There are still people on Obama forums who are absolutely ticked that Obama would even consider putting Hillary on his administration after "what she did"

And I know how tough that is to understand for you guys but just trust me that it is just as tough for me to understand your anger against Obama.

Both sides had reason to be pissed. Like I said it was a rough primary.

But look...

There are bigger issues on the table. Issues like healthcare and the economy and alternative energies and gay rights. Both Obama and Hillary supporters are on the same side on a lot of the big issues and we don't do any good by fighting over who was sexist and who was racist and who cheated and who was the most negative. It's nothing but silly politics.

[CGP]

Ok, enough insults.

I/others/people may not agree with Bill but I think his intention was ok.

So, no gang-ups please. Focus on the issue.

I think we need the battle subforum for these kind of threats...

Or maybe threads which are likely to cause major disagreement should have "battle" or "potential flame topic" included in the title to warn people...

[Horizon]

Ok, enough insults.

You/I may not agree with Bill but I think his intention was ok.

So, no gang-ups please. Focus on the issue.

I think we need the battle subforum for these kind of threads...

Or maybe threads which are likely to cause major disagreement should have "battle" or "potential flame topic" included in the title to warn people...

Battle forum,I'm all for it.

[CGP]

I just don't think you guys understand that this sorta anger at the otherside went both ways. There are a lot of people on Obama's side who felt Hillary treated Obama in a way that was completely uncalled for.

There are still people on Obama forums who are absolutely ticked that Obama would even consider putting Hillary on his administration after "what she did"

And I know how tough that is to understand for you guys but just trust me that it is just as tough for me to understand your anger against Obama.

Both sides had reason to be pissed. Like I said it was a rough primary.

But look...

There are bigger issues on the table. Issues like healthcare and the economy and alternative energies and gay rights. Both Obama and Hillary supporters are on the same side on a lot of the big issues and we don't do any good by fighting over who was sexist and who was racist and who cheated and who was the most negative. It's nothing but silly politics.

I think it's true to say that people on either side will view things in very different ways, and both may feel angry for different reasons - hence human history has been marked with multiple WARS! One of the reasons I wish to change the direction of the forum is because I think us/them dynamics in any arena (be it politics, work, family) isn't particularly constructive & tends to distort reality. I think a non-partisan, non-candidate-specific forum is better able to promote unbiased thinking about particular issues/events than one which is partisan/candidate-specific.

[Meg]

Ok, enough insults.

I/others/people may not agree with Bill but I think his intention was ok.

So, no gang-ups please. Focus on the issue.

I think we need the battle subforum for these kind of threats...

Or maybe threads which are likely to cause major disagreement should have "battle" or "potential flame topic" included in the title to warn people...

Muzza... we're being nice. It's not our fault he's currently the lone Obama supporter. It's not an intentional gang-up, he asked the question which take it or leave it, will be answered by us.;) We have answered and he didn't appreciate some of the answers as noted byt the ":rolleyes:" smiley.

As for the battle forum... by all means, do!:cool:

[Ikasu]

It would help if you structured your peace offering better.

Obama supporters are angry at dirty campaign tactics while Hillary supporters are angry over the rules of the system. Do you see what you're saying? Don't piss people off here. We know what you're saying. So don't offer one hand while stabbing us with the other.


We're never going to agree on who wronged who here.

Obama supporters felt wronged by the kitchen sink stradegy while Hillary supporters felt wronged by the caucus system. It was a brutal primary but it was over months ago.

I really don't want to continue debating on who benefited most from their sex/race. It's such a stupid debate. It has absolutely no impact on our future.

I know some of you wanted to try to change the primary system but honestly there just aren't enough people who really care enough. There is no political will. It's basically a dead in the water issue and we aren't getting anywhere but a pointless argument that gets us all mad at each other over something that can't be changed and no longer matters.

We really need to get over it and end the war. Hillary is on Obama's team. There is no reason why we can't forgive and forget each other as well. There are so many more important issues that need to be talked about....

[TheTaoOfBill]

Oh no you don't It was not only Hillary that was defrauded, It was the millions of voters in Florida and Michigan!!!. The party that screamed COUNT EVERY VOTE in 2000 was more than happy to disenfranchise the voters of TWO states to get thier way.

Hell no! Did you even see the rules commitee Meeting? The political cronyism was sickening to watch. Obama was just fine with it, never once calling out that all votes should be counted equally!

I will never let this go just like I will never let go what happened in 2000, because it is clear that if you let them get away with it once they will do it over and over again. Which party will it be in 2012 and what states citizens will be defrauded of thier votes? How long would we tolerate such action until we become no better than the poor excuse of elections run in Russia or other corrupt countries.

The democratic party raped the constitution and the rights of citizens. This will never be excusable and never forgotten, and never gotten over. How dare you even imply it should be.

The constitution does not require parties to vote for their presidential nominee. So it's impossible for the DNC to go against the constitution when picking a nominee. They can draw names out of a hat for all the constitution cares.

Seriously no one cares about MI and FL. Not even MI and FL....They both went blue...

Many felt the Michigan proposal was a good solution to a complicated problem.

Frankly it was dumb to take away the delegates in the first place. And many in Michigan did not feel like Hillary and her supporters were there to help them at all. Many felt they were there for the sake of getting Hillary to win the nomination.

It felt too little too late when we were begging for our voices to count in October.

The point is that the political will is not there. Michigan doesn't hate the democrats or Obama for what happened. They can't even decide if it was us or them whos to blame. That's if they even still have interest.

Take it from a michigander. It's not something worth holding a grudge over because it's not going to change anything. Any lesson the democrats had to learn has been learned. I doubt they will take any more delegates away from large states anytime soon and I have a feeling they will even start rotating the stater states now. So there is light at the end of the tunnel.

But to get all worked up for it and hold a grudge forever...

For 1 it's just not healthy.

For 2 many people disagree and feel the solution was fair.

For 3 the message that something needs to be changed has already been sent in regard to FL and MI just by how complicated the situation got.

[TheTaoOfBill]

It would help if you structured your peace offering better.

Obama supporters are angry at dirty campaign tactics while Hillary supporters are angry over the rules of the system. Do you see what you're saying? Don't piss people off here. We know what you're saying. So don't offer one hand while stabbing us with the other.

I was showing that we both have reason to be pissed. If you can't admit that or see that Obama supporters have reason to be pissed it's not me who is the problem.

[Ikasu]

I was showing that we both have reason to be pissed. If you can't admit that or see that Obama supporters have reason to be pissed it's not me who is the problem.

What are you angry about specifically? Obama got a free ride and won.

Did the 3am ad really get to you?

[pnevai]

Ok then just what do you think is more important than a political party manipulating the votes of a countries citizens?

Once a political power manipulates elections everything that comes afterwards is tainted, it is a fraud. Actions taken are no longer reflect the will of the people. Your so called bigger issues become only the symptoms of the desease that corrupted the election process.

What if Bush in 2000 did not obstruct the vote in Florida????? What would the world be like now? Would we have been in a war with Iraq? Would there have been a 9-11? Would we be having this economic meltdown? We will never know because Bush subverted the election process and the voters of only one state out of 50.

You do not get it do you? The last hope Americans have is thier trust that their votes will be meaningful, it is the only power they have. Strip that away you might as well go back to the feudal system, where the people have no say on who runs thier lives.

And that Obama was just fine with these actions is appalling to me, and should be to every citizen in this country. It shows a complete lack of honor and patriotism. Obama with these machinizations proved that he is no better than all the other corrupt Chicago politicians of the past. And as such has done a disservice to this country and it's citizenry. And if this is a indication of how he wants to get things done then God help us all.

[MrSandMan]

May I suggest eating some chocolate? It helps! :D

[pnevai]

Seriously no one cares about MI and FL. Not even MI and FL....They both went blue...

With that remark you identified yourself as bad as the worst neocon. I heard that plenty during the 2000 internet wars. I for one shall from now on ignore any post you make. You have proven yourself unworthy of even the energy required to type on the keyboard. BTW I am from Florida, and I care and know plenty of people who do.

Mr. TheGwiloOfBill

[JamesHiyashi]

We're never going to agree on who wronged who here.

Obama supporters felt wronged by the kitchen sink stradegy while Hillary supporters felt wronged by the caucus system. It was a brutal primary but it was over months ago.

I really don't want to continue debating on who benefited most from their sex/race. It's such a stupid debate. It has absolutely no impact on our future.

I know some of you wanted to try to change the primary system but honestly there just aren't enough people who really care enough. There is no political will. It's basically a dead in the water issue and we aren't getting anywhere but a pointless argument that gets us all mad at each other over something that can't be changed and no longer matters.

We really need to get over it and end the war. Hillary is on Obama's team. There is no reason why we can't forgive and forget each other as well. There are so many more important issues that need to be talked about....

OK.......your right....but then i saw Donna Brazil on CNN Tonight....and in her own words......."There is nothing wrong with lobbyist". Tell me how i SHOULD REACT TO THAT.....HAVING VOTED FOR oBAMA WHO WAS SO AGAINST lOBBISTS!

(damn...I said i wouldn't take sides and i just did. I am an idiot!)

[Horizon]

May I suggest eating some chocolate? It helps! :D

That was quite sexist of you,I must say and NOT amusing.

[JamesHiyashi]

With that remark you identified yourself as bad as the worst neocon. I heard that plenty during the 2000 internet wars. I for one shall from now on ignore any post you make. You have proven yourself unworthy of even the energy required to type on the keyboard. BTW I am from Florida, and I care and know plenty of people who do.

Mr. TheGwiloOfBill

With you signature......I an not going to agree with you EVER!!!! Just had to daraw a line in the sdand immediatly!

I could edit this.....but a deslexic....I kinda like it!

[ZY123]

Never ever ever do I forget anything. Eventually I could forgive but forget never.

1. Screw me once...shame on you.
2. Screw me twice...shame on me.

I'm not getting to #2.

[TheTaoOfBill]

What are you angry about specifically? Obama got a free ride and won.

Did the 3am ad really get to you? I'm not pissed about anything. It feels like ages ago. None of it matters anymore.

But remembering back the things Obama supporters got pissed about were basically things like Geraldine Ferrao's comments suggesting that he wouldn't have support if he was white which was an insult to many of us who put hard work in Obama like we didn't even notice his skin color.

Then there was all the times Hillary basically told people McCain would be a better choice than Obama. That REALLY ticked people off.

As a michigander I remember being ticked that Hillary put Michigan in her collumn on her state list even though she was all but uncontested.

I remember being ticked that Hillary proposed a redo election for Michigan that had different rules from the original primary that barred out independents and democrats who voted republican due to lack of names on the ballot. I felt she was rewriting the rules to benefit herself.

I also felt Hillary was using our state as leverage at the end and felt like she was trying to change the rules in the middle of the game. I was extremely happy that the DNC decided that if it was going to count Michigan it was going to make sure Obama supporters like myself had a voice.

And before you go defending these points please don't. Honestly I don't care anymore. I'm just giving you examples of why I was pissed at Hillary during the primaries. They matter nothing to me now.

[joeysky18]

That was quite sexist of you,I must say and NOT amusing.

M, I'm missing something. Why is "eating chocolate" a sexist remark?

[TheTaoOfBill]

With that remark you identified yourself as bad as the worst neocon. I heard that plenty during the 2000 internet wars. I for one shall from now on ignore any post you make. You have proven yourself unworthy of even the energy required to type on the keyboard. BTW I am from Florida, and I care and know plenty of people who do.

Mr. TheGwiloOfBill

And you've proven to have a low tolerance to opposing view points. Peace!

[Meg]

That was quite sexist of you,I must say and NOT amusing.


No... he has a point.:p Chocolate helps in tense situations. I had some earlier... I'm as happy as can be now. Not to mention hyper!!!!:eek:

[Horizon]

M, I'm missing something. Why is "eating chocolate" a sexist remark?

That is a common remark made to women who get a little "testy".
I physically slapped my ex when he said this to me one too many times.
It is a reference to "that time".

[pnevai]

M, I'm missing something. Why is "eating chocolate" a sexist remark?

You don't know women very well do you :)

[Ikasu]

M, I'm missing something. Why is "eating chocolate" a sexist remark?

Yea, confused here too.

[Horizon]

That is a common remark made to women who get a little "testy".
I physically slapped my ex when he said this to me one too many times.
It is a reference to "that time".

See my explanation.

[Ikasu]

That is a common remark made to women who get a little "testy".
I physically slapped my ex when he said this to me one too many times.
It is a reference to "that time".

I did not know that.

[joeysky18]

That is a common remark made to women who get a little "testy".
I physically slapped my ex when he said this to me one too many times.
It is a reference to "that time".

Oh Ok. I will remember that.

[TheTaoOfBill]

That was quite sexist of you,I must say and NOT amusing.

I feel it's quite sexist of you to assume that he was making a sexist remark.

[Meg]

I feel it's quite sexist of you to assume that he was making a sexist remark.


And half of that comment was directed at you so just don't push anything farther than it needs to go!

[Ikasu]

I feel it's quite sexist of you to assume that he was making a sexist remark.

How would that be sexist?

[TheTaoOfBill]

And half of that comment was directed at you so just don't push anything farther than it needs to go!

lol what have I said that's even remotely sexist.

[Horizon]

I feel it's quite sexist of you to assume that he was making a sexist remark.

I am NOT assuming anything! Most women know exactly what that means.
He may as well have said,"go back to your kitchen".
It's basically the same thing,and if you don't get that,I suggest not ever saying it to a woman in person.You're liable to get what my ex got and deservedly so.

[MrSandMan]

That is a common remark made to women who get a little "testy".
I physically slapped my ex when he said this to me one too many times.
It is a reference to "that time".

It was in context to my evening, it wasn't a sexist slur and I find it offensive that you would label me with such a despicable word.

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showpost.php?p=525644&postcount=130 (my post tonight at 10:42 pm)

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showpost.php?p=525654&postcount=133 (my post tonight at 10:45 pm)

I don't like it when people throw around the "sexist" card all the time.

[Ebinger]

Can we just forgive and forget Barack Obama altogether?

I feel it's quite sexist of you to assume that he was making a sexist remark.

Pop a Midol, dude.

[Meg]

lol what have I said that's even remotely sexist.

GAH... this is part of the reason no one likes you! *headdesk*

I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE CHOCOLATE STATEMENT! Part of that was directed at you also! Stop pushing buttons so you can continue this thread and argue!:eek:

[TheTaoOfBill]

How would that be sexist?

Because you're assuming that just because he's a man and he recomended eating chocolates he's sexist.

Doctors recomend eating chocolates to ANYONE stressed out. But it was assumed that he was making a sexist remark despite no history of ever being degrading to women.

It's sexist to assume you know what he meant simply because he's a man who recommended eating chocolates.

[Horizon]

It was in context to my evening, it wasn't a sexist slur and I find it offensive that you would label me with such a despicable word.

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showpost.php?p=525644&postcount=130 (my post tonight at 10:42 pm)

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showpost.php?p=525654&postcount=133 (my post tonight at 10:45 pm)

I don't like it when people throw around the "sexist" card all the time.

WTF do expect when you make comments like that on a forum comprised of people who have faced the most EXTREME sexism in the last year??

[joeysky18]

I feel it's quite sexist of you to assume that he was making a sexist remark.

It was quite racist of Obama and his supporters to assume that Hillary Clinton made a racist remark when she just simply said it took LBJ as President to sign the civil right bill.

[Ikasu]

Because you're assuming that just because he's a man and he recomended eating chocolates he's sexist.

Doctors recomend eating chocolates to ANYONE stressed out. But it was assumed that he was making a sexist remark despite no history of ever being degrading to women.

It's sexist to assume you know what he meant simply because he's a man who recommended eating chocolates.

Whatever.

[TheTaoOfBill]

It was quote racist of Obama and his supporters to assume that Hillary Clinton made a racist remark when she just simply said it took LBJ as President to sign the civil right bill.

You're right. It was.

[JMS825]

You ask for forgive and forget after Hillary was drug through the mudd by Obama and her supporters faced less than loving Obama supporters. Now come Dec 5th after the BC hearing starts in the SC and we find out not only was she screwed by Obama, Dean Pelosi, Reid but she was screwed by an illegal tensions will be even higher. I wont forgive nor forget but will laugh when Hillary is still in the senate running for 2012 and Obama is sitting in jail for fraud and purgery

[Horizon]

It was quote racist of Obama and his supporters to assume that Hillary Clinton made a racist remark when she just simply said it took LBJ as President to sign the civil right bill.

Ah...Touche'.

[TheTaoOfBill]

GAH... this is part of the reason no one likes you! *headdesk*

I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE CHOCOLATE STATEMENT! Part of that was directed at you also! Stop pushing buttons so you can continue this thread and argue!:eek:

I'm one of 2 Obama supporters active on this forum. You have to understand I am ALWAYS on the defensive here.

[TheTaoOfBill]

You ask for forgive and forget after Hillary was drug through the mudd by Obama and her supporters faced less than loving Obama supporters. Now come Dec 5th after the BC hearing starts in the SC and we find out not only was she screwed by Obama, Dean Pelosi, Reid but she was screwed by an illegal tensions will be even higher. I wont forgive nor forget but will laugh when Hillary is still in the senate running for 2012 and Obama is sitting in jail for fraud and purgery

Oh god...

Give it up... Hawaii is not a foreign country.

[Ikasu]

I'm one of 2 Obama supporters active on this forum. You have to understand I am ALWAYS on the defensive here.

LOL you start most of the arguments.

[Meg]

I'm one of 2 Obama supporters active on this forum. You have to understand I am ALWAYS on the defensive here.

And that's part of why people are annoyed with you!:eek:

Jesus, for a minute try discussing something that WON'T involve Obama's name and you'll be a lot less defensive! Not a hard concept!:eek:

[JMS825]

Oh god...

Give it up... Hawaii is not a foreign country.

no but Kenya or Indonesia is. and if it is such BS then why is it the SC is willing to her the case

[joeysky18]

You're right. It was.

Thank you for accept that fact that Obama was racist.

[CGP]

That is a common remark made to women who get a little "testy".
I physically slapped my ex when he said this to me one too many times.
It is a reference to "that time".

Ah, when I read it the second time I understood it could mean that.

But it may not have been intended to mean that as the member had also exchanged some posts with me about food-related matters so there was a prior context established. I initially interpreted the comment as suggesting people "move on" and do something else, that arguing wasn't achieving much.

The other option - ignore things you find inflammatory.

[Horizon]

And that's part of why people are annoyed with you!:eek:

Jesus, for a minute try discussing something that WON'T involve Obama's name and you'll be a lot less defensive! Not a hard concept!:eek:

They like the arguing,and like making these backhanded nasty comments and then playing victim.I am out of this thread,before I ether these asshats to oblivion and beyond.

[TheTaoOfBill]

And that's part of why people are annoyed with you!:eek:

Jesus, for a minute try discussing something that WON'T involve Obama's name and you'll be a lot less defensive! Not a hard concept!:eek:

I'm here to defend Obama. I don't really care that much if people like me here. I wouldn't mind making friends but I'd rather speak my mind and be spoken back to.

[JMS825]

If you fel Obama needs to be defended then obviously he has not done anything of merrit to stand on

[joeysky18]

I'm here to defend Obama. I don't really care that much if people like me here. I wouldn't mind making friends but I'd rather speak my mind and be spoken back to.

Then you will have to keep defending him Good luck.


If you don't bring it up, you won't hear from me. But if you do, you will hear what I've got to say.

[CGP]

I'm one of 2 Obama supporters active on this forum. You have to understand I am ALWAYS on the defensive here.

Yes, this is true. And when you are in the minority you are probably more likely to be defensive.

[Meg]

I'm here to defend Obama. I don't really care that much if people like me here. I wouldn't mind making friends but I'd rather speak my mind and be spoken back to.

I'm talking to a f*cking wall...

If you're supposedly here to discuss issues... then Obama should not be your main focus. So much fo not wanting to start shit.

[Ikasu]

I'm here to defend Obama. I don't really care that much if people like me here. I wouldn't mind making friends but I'd rather speak my mind and be spoken back to.

You're here to be an Obama cheerleader?

[CGP]

Threads which turn into battles - I am going to rename them "flame threads" so people know what to expect when they read them!!! ;)

[ZY123]

Threads which turn into battles - I am going to rename them "flame threads" so people know what to expect when they read them!!! ;)

Does this mean we can just hurl insults at each other in here? :p

[JMS825]

You're here to be an Obama cheerleader?

Sorry I cant find anything o cheer about lol

[TheTaoOfBill]

Thank you for accept that fact that Obama was racist.

Erm...I don't remember Obama calling Hillary racist over that comment...I just remember it being another stupid media made scandal.

[CGP]

Does this mean we can just hurl insults at each other in here? :p

No. It just means the topic is potentially inflammatory.

Maybe I should say "topic potentialyl inflammatory".

[JMS825]

Does this mean we can just hurl insults at each other in here? :p

Beats hurling chairs or BUSES

[Ikasu]

Erm...I don't remember Obama calling Hillary racist over that comment...I just remember it being another stupid media made scandal.

Flamed by Obama and his minions.

[rob3gdd]

Sorry but if we forget we will never proceed. we have to fight on. not against obama, but the MSM and the DNC. we are tired of being pushed around

[Meg]

Beats hurling chairs or BUSES

Being hurled under a bus!:p;):D

[ZY123]

No. It just means the topic is potentially inflammatory.

Maybe I should say "topic potential inflammatory".

I was kidding. ;)

[TheTaoOfBill]

I'm talking to a f*cking wall...

If you're supposedly here to discuss issues... then Obama should not be your main focus. So much fo not wanting to start shit.

Dude. You act as if I'm the only one discussing Obama here. I'm just one of the only 2 talking positively about him.

[Horizon]

Does this mean we can just hurl insults at each other in here? :p

Beats hurling chairs or BUSES

ROFLMFAO!!!! OMG,I have tears streaming down my face!!

I think we are basically hurling crap at this point.

[joeysky18]

I'm here to defend Obama.


BTW, I don't think this forum is for the discussion of defending Obama.

I'm not. I'm here to discuss the policy of the future admin. At this point, I'm not interested in defending what's happened in the primary. What's done is done. But I can't change it but I won't forgive or forget it.

If you will be here only to defend him, I think you miss the purpose of the forum.

[CGP]

I'm just one of the only 2 talking positively about him.

Hey, that's progress for this forum.

Previously the score tally was 0.

[ZY123]

Beats hurling chairs or BUSES

I'm under so many busses one more couldn't hurt.

[CGP]

I'm under so many busses one more couldn't hurt.

I think I am under the HV bus! ;)

[SoCal4Hillary]

I just don't think you guys understand that this sorta anger at the otherside went both ways. There are a lot of people on Obama's side who felt Hillary treated Obama in a way that was completely uncalled for.Excuse me? :confused: Would you care to elaborate on HOW she treated him in a completely uncalled for manner?
There are still people on Obama forums who are absolutely ticked that Obama would even consider putting Hillary on his administration after "what she did"Then they're clearly delusional and should seek professional mental help immediately.
And I know how tough that is to understand for you guys but just trust me that it is just as tough for me to understand your anger against Obama.Then you must have slept through the past year. Obama and his cohorts, including Dean, Pelosi, and Brazile, did or encouraged the most vile, sexist, disgusting and even illegal things in order to push Clinton out of the race. And you don't think we should be angry about that?
Both sides had reason to be pissed.Really? Please explain to us which part of having the entire mainstream media in Obama's pocket was something he should be pissed off about? Or having the DNC and its leaders railroad Hillary out of the campaign? Or having his little worker bees go to caucus states and perpetrate fraud in order to get him "elected" there? I can't wait to hear what, exactly, Obama has to be pissed off about. :rolleyes:

[Meg]

Dude. You act as if I'm the only one discussing Obama here. I'm just one of the only 2 talking positively about him.


You're the only one who wants to purposely start arguements over OBAMA! Sorry not everything here revolves around the messiah!:rolleyes: The point of this forum wasn't to talk positively of Obama... it was to discuss ISSUES!!! Did you catch that or do I have make it bigger?

ISSUES!!!!

And I'm not a dude.:rolleyes:

[Horizon]

BTW, I don't think this forum is for the discussion of defending Obama.

I'm not. I'm here to discuss the policy of the future admin. At this point, I'm not interested in defending what's happened in the primary. What's done is done. But I can't change it but I won't forgive or forget it.

If you will be here only to defend him, I think you miss the purpose of the forum.

*****Bowing to Joey*****


;);):D:D

[ZY123]

I think I am under the HV bus! ;)

ROFL!! http://www.jysira.com/forum/images/smilies/lol.gif

I'm laughing so hard I can't even breathe!

[Meg]

I think I am under the HV bus! ;)

You me and a few others.:p

[SoCal4Hillary]

I think I am under the HV bus! ;)You and me both, kiddo. :eek:

[CGP]

I changed it to "battleground thread" as that's what it is, a battle!

[MrSandMan]

Ah, when I read it the second time I understood it could mean that.

But it may not have been intended to mean that as the member had also exchanged some posts with me about food-related matters so there was a prior context established. I initially interpreted the comment as suggesting people "move on" and do something else, that arguing wasn't achieving much.

The other option - ignore things you find inflammatory.

Actually, the true message I was sending was, due to the tension in this thread, nibbling on chocolate makes people feel better.

I don't know why anyone would automatically assume that was a negative slur towards women, I'm a guy and chocolate makes me feel better. chocolate release endorphins, thus makes both men and women feel better. It's a proven fact.

...I'm just so lost for words right now. :confused:

[Horizon]

You and me both, kiddo. :eek:

***Waving from under the HV bus*****

[ZY123]

You me and a few others.:p

It's crowded under here!

[CGP]

Actually, the true message I was sending was, due to the tension in this thread, nibbling on chocolate makes people feel better.

I don't know why anyone would automatically assume that was a negative slur towards women, I'm a guy and chocolate makes me feel better. chocolate release endorphins thus makes men and women feel better. It's a proven fact.

...I'm just so lost for words right now. :confused:

Well, lots of phrases have multiple meanings. And while your usage of the phrase may have been innocent, it actually does have sexism potential if interpreted in a particular way. It's like a lot of things, someone might say something very innocently to me which I deem to be offensive and vice versa. I guess it's about being mindful of the group/audience you are interacting with and thinking about what might be potentially offensive. But then again you (anyone) can't always know so there needs to be some forgiveness when mistakes are made.

[Meg]

I'm under so many busses one more couldn't hurt.

I think I am under the HV bus! ;)

You me and a few others.:p

You and me both, kiddo. :eek:

***Waving from under the HV bus*****


WAVE HI TO EVERYONE FROM UNDER THE Hillary's Village Bus!!!:p

[Horizon]

It's crowded under here!

No shit!! Scoot over,my leg is hangin' out!!

[CGP]

Actually, the true message I was sending was, due to the tension in this thread, nibbling on chocolate makes people feel better.

That was my initial understanding of your comment.

But maybe that's because I am male and therefore perhaps not as conscious/aware of comments that may carry double meanings for women.

[JMS825]

As Hillary supporters we are trained attack dogs. You know the difference between a Hillary supporter and a pitt bull? A bumper sticker

[SoCal4Hillary]

Actually, the true message I was sending was, due to the tension in this thread, nibbling on chocolate makes people feel better.

I don't know why anyone would automatically assume that was a negative slur towards women, I'm a guy and chocolate makes me feel better. chocolate release endorphins, thus makes both men and women feel better. It's a proven fact.

...I'm just so lost for words right now. :confused:Well, it's a miracle! I actually agree with you on something. :eek: :D

Seriously, not only did I see NOTHING wrong with your comment, but I really think calling it sexist is a bit over the top. PEOPLE love chocolate. Chocolate makes PEOPLE feel good.

I never thought I'd be saying this, but let's cut SandMan a little slack...on this.

[Horizon]

That was my initial understanding of your comment.

But maybe that's because I am male and therefore perhaps not as conscious/aware of comments that may carry double meanings for women.

That would be it Murray.To a woman,it's insulting.I was told this once by the male Principal at my kids school once.I called the Admin's office and they were stunned he said that to me.She knew what it meant too.

[CGP]

That would be it Murray.To a woman,it's insulting.I was told this once by the male Principal at my kids school once.I called the Admin's office and they were stunned he said that to me.She knew what it meant too.

As I male though I didn't immediately think of this at all.

So, the member who said it may not have meant it in the way you thought.

[MrSandMan]

That was my initial understanding of your comment.

But maybe that's because I am male and therefore perhaps not as conscious/aware of comments that may carry double meanings for women.

When my wife knows that I'm having a bad day, she'll surprise me with a Snickers bar or make me chocolate chip cookies. I guess she doesn't know the 'sexist' message behind it either.

I dunno... Moving on.

EDIT: Before I am labeled sexist because my wife likes to bake or do sweet things for me, she does it on her own, out of love... I don't ask her or force her to do any of these things. It's just her personality and I do nice things for her to. This is the kind of relationship we have. WE BOTH give. I'm not sexist!

[CGP]

Well, it's a miracle! I actually agree with you on something. :eek: :D

Seriously, not only did I see NOTHING wrong with your comment, but I really think calling it sexist is a bit over the top. PEOPLE love chocolate. Chocolate makes PEOPLE feel good.

I never thought I'd be saying this, but let's cut SandMan a little slack...on this.

See, commonground is possible! :eek:

[SoCal4Hillary]

WAVE HI TO EVERYONE FROM UNDER THE Hillary's Village Bus!!!:p*waving* Hi!! It's crowded down here. :eek:

[Horizon]

As I male though I didn't immediately think of this at all.

So, the member who said it may not have meant it in the way you thought.

Given the content of this thread and the sexist thread,I feel that he knew what he was saying.He claims to have a wife.That is another reason I think he knew exactly how at least a couple of us would take that.
And then played victim.

[JMS825]

OMG I am a straight man who likes to bake. So am I sexist towards women or men? I am so confused lol

[ZY123]

*waving* Hi!! It's crowded down here. :eek:

you too? oy vey. Welcome! :p

[CGP]

*waving* Hi!! It's crowded down here. :eek:

Maybe we need our own bus?!

http://www.mccullagh.org/db9/1ds-10/pink-bus-burning-man.jpg

[rob3gdd]

you know i just want to move on. you know i am stuck between a rock in a hard place. people dont know how hard it is for me to be an African American and not be exited about obama cause i know what kind of politician he really is. and after all of the MSM attacks and the sexism and misogyny against her, i cant come to like obama and a few democrats on the hill. not only that but i want to move on but it is hard for me to embrace obama. i know that eventually i will have to. are country is going backwards and we have to reverse it and if it means that we have to work with Obama for 8 years to do it then so be it. i am 18 ,young and want a bright future. we might not like obama and some of his supporters who are hateful, though bill your alright and respect you, but we have to work together to have a voice. like john McCain say, COUNTRY FIRST. and i am putting my country first by putting my faith in Obama and the congress to clean up this mess. I AM A DEMOCRAT, or atleast will re-register again cause we cant afford republican policies. or atleat most of them. so lets work together with Obama, but at the same time, never forget. of course i will always be a critic of Obama at every chance i get, i still dont like him

[Meg]

Maybe we need our own bus?!

http://www.mccullagh.org/db9/1ds-10/pink-bus-burning-man.jpg


That my friend... is a great idea! ROFL!!!

[CGP]

Given the content of this thread and the sexist thread,I feel that he knew what he was saying.He claims to have a wife.That is another reason I think he knew exactly how at least a couple of us would take that.
And then played victim.

Meredith, I don't agree on this one...

He and I were talking about food earlier, that was the established context.

[Horizon]

OMG I am a straight man who likes to bake. So am I sexist towards women or men? I am so confused lol

Baking is different than telling a woman to go eat some chocolate.

You're good.

[Horizon]

Meredith, I don't agree on this one...

He and I were talking about food earlier, that was the established context.

So,how were the rest of us supposed to know this?? My mind reading capabilities don't work on the 'net.

[CGP]

So,how were the rest of us supposed to know this?? My mind reading capabilities don't work on the 'net.

You know now! ;)

[Horizon]

you know i just want to move on. you know i am stuck between a rock in a hard place. people dont know how hard it is for me to be an African American and not be exited about obama cause i know what kind of politician he really is. and after all of the MSM attacks and the sexism and misogyny against her, i cant come to like obama and a few democrats on the hill. not only that but i want to move on but it is hard for me to embrace obama. i know that eventually i will have to. are country is going backwards and we have to reverse it and if it means that we have to work with Obama for 8 years to do it then so be it. i am 18 ,young and want a bright future. we might not like obama and some of his supporters who are hateful, though bill your alright and respect you, but we have to work together to have a voice. like john McCain say, COUNTRY FIRST. and i am putting my country first by putting my faith in Obama and the congress to clean up this mess. I AM A DEMOCRAT, or atleast will re-register again cause we cant afford republican policies. or atleat most of them. so lets work together with Obama, but at the same time, never forget. of course i will always be a critic of Obama at every chance i get, i still dont like him

Did you embrace Bush? No? Then by all means,DON"T embrace Obama.Treat him the way we treated and thought of the Shrub.It's all I can come up with at this point.Unless he pulls some obnoxious amount of magic out of his hat(ass),he's a Dem Bush in my book.

[ZY123]

you know i just want to move on. you know i am stuck between a rock in a hard place. people dont know how hard it is for me to be an African American and not be exited about obama cause i know what kind of politician he really is. and after all of the MSM attacks and the sexism and misogyny against her, i cant come to like obama and a few democrats on the hill. not only that but i want to move on but it is hard for me to embrace obama. i know that eventually i will have to. are country is going backwards and we have to reverse it and if it means that we have to work with Obama for 8 years to do it then so be it. i am 18 ,young and want a bright future. we might not like obama and some of his supporters who are hateful, though bill your alright and respect you, but we have to work together to have a voice. like john McCain say, COUNTRY FIRST. and i am putting my country first by putting my faith in Obama and the congress to clean up this mess. I AM A DEMOCRAT, or atleast will re-register again cause we cant afford republican policies. or atleat most of them. so lets work together with Obama, but at the same time, never forget. of course i will always be a critic of Obama at every chance i get, i still dont like him

I will never like Obama but I do think it's time to move forward in some sort of positive direction. And I'M A PROUD LIBERAL...AND I'LL SHOUT IT LOUD AND CLEAR. Just because I'm mad at the Democratic party (and Obama) doesn't change by political ideals.

[JMS825]

Baking is different than telling a woman to go eat some chocolate.

You're good.

If I told my lady get me some chocolates they would take a month to pull the snickers wrapper out of my ass. Damn womens Lib LOL J/K

[ZY123]

Maybe we need our own bus?!

http://www.mccullagh.org/db9/1ds-10/pink-bus-burning-man.jpg

That is one kickin' bus.

[joeysky18]

Hey, that's progress for this forum.

Previously the score tally was 0.

Given the fact that DailyKos and others allowed zero Hillary supporters during the primary, I think it was rightly so that this place was Hillary supporters. I don't feel bad about how the forum was.

[Horizon]

If I told my lady get me some chocolates they would take a month to pull the snickers wrapper out of my ass. Damn womens Lib LOL J/K

So,you got it?? Very few here did.I knew immediately what that meant.

I will give him the benefit of the doubt THIS TIME ONLY! But now,he knows for a fact,I am aware and so are others.

[JMS825]

I will move on the moment Obama produces a real birth certificate to the SC and it passes the sniff test

[Horizon]

Given the fact that DailyKos and others allowed zero Hillary supporters during the primary, I think it was rightly so that this place was Hillary supporters. I don't feel bad about how the forum was.

I was very proud of the way we worked and were able to stay Obama fan free.

[CGP]

Given the fact that DailyKos and others allowed zero Hillary supporters during the primary, I think it was rightly so that this place was Hillary supporters. I don't feel bad about how the forum was.

Yes, it was fair. DU/DK/HP were "no hillary supporters" zone. HCF was a tiny response to that.

But now, I am hoping the forum can be more open - in some ways it makes for more interesting discussions, even if those discussions become tense/difficult.

[pnevai]

Well, lots of phrases have multiple meanings. And while your usage of the phrase may have been innocent, it actually does have sexism potential if interpreted in a particular way. It's like a lot of things, someone might say something very innocently to me which I deem to be offensive and vice versa. I guess it's about being mindful of the group/audience you are interacting with and thinking about what might be potentially offensive. But then again you (anyone) can't always know so there needs to be some forgiveness when mistakes are made.

Absolutely, Saying "Why don't you just have some chocalate" is almost as bad answering the fatal question "Do these pants make my Butt look too big?"

[Ikasu]

I will move on the moment Obama produces a real birth certificate to the SC and it passes the sniff test

Dude, the BC bullshit isn't going anywhere.

[JMS825]

So,you got it?? Very few here did.I knew immediately what that meant.

I will give him the benefit of the doubt THIS TIME ONLY! But now,he knows for a fact,I am aware and so are others.

hard not to get it. It is like when the Obama supporter held a sign up at a Hillary rally thats said "B*tch go make me some dinner"

[CGP]

Absolutely, Saying "Why don't you just have some chocalate" is almost as answering the fatal question "Do these pants make my Butt look to big?"

Maybe being gay and having a male partner I am a little removed from those kinds of interactions...

[Meg]

Maybe being gay and having a male partner I am a little removed from those kinds of interactions...

You can get away with that type of comment. But the chocolate comment does go both ways.;)

[JMS825]

Dude, the BC bullshit isn't going anywhere.

Dec 5th Justice Thomas has agreed to snd it to a 9 justice conference. Also was announced today either the electoral college vote will be issued a stay or they will expedite the case like they did in Bush V Gore

[MrSandMan]

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[Horizon]

Maybe being gay and having a male partner I am a little removed from those kinds of interactions...

It is Murray.When women have their "time of the month", we crave chocolate.
A man who spends a lot of time around a woman knows this.These men knew,and Sandman did to,I can gauruntee he knew what he was saying,and felt he could just slip it in there.
That is obscene behavior to me.What if he were AA or Gay and one of us made some innocuous little comment like that?? Would that be o.k,?

[rob3gdd]

you know i love everyone at this site, its like family, but in my opinion, some of us need to calm down with the sexism card. what chocolates have to do with anything.

[ZY123]

you know i love everyone at this site, its like family, but in my opinion, some of us need to calm down with the sexism card. what chocolates have to do with anything.

I think it's more about the overall picture than just the chocolate comment.

[JMS825]

you know i love everyone at this site, its like family, but in my opinion, some of us need to calm down with the sexism card. what chocolates have to do with anything.

From what I gathered it is trying to say your only opioniated cause your on the rag

[joeysky18]

you know i love everyone at this site, its like family, but in my opinion, some of us need to calm down with the sexism card. what chocolates have to do with anything.

I didn't get it either. But I think all the women here got it. So I've got to be sensible and respect their opinions.

[Horizon]

I didn't get it either. But I think all the women here got it. So I've got to be sensible and respect their opinions.

Thank you Joey.Thank your mother for raising you well for me!

[Meg]

Can we just let the topic of chocolate go at least for tonight?

I mean you guys and gals are making me begin to dislike it now!:eek: What's next french fries!!!

[sojourner]

So,how were the rest of us supposed to know this?? My mind reading capabilities don't work on the 'net.

As strange as it may seem, I actually learned something from this thread.
I knew that chocolate was associated with women, but I didn’t know there was anything negative about it. Now I do. I just thought women liked chocolate more than men did.

[ZY123]

Can we just let the topic of chocolate go at least for tonight?

I mean you guys and gals are making me begin to dislike it now!:eek: What's next french fries!!!


Well I hate chocolate...and I'm female. But I did know what the comment meant..a play on a stereotype.

[rob3gdd]

Thank you Joey.Thank your mother for raising you well for me!

i am sorry if anyone was offended. my mother raised my well too but i dont understand everything that a women goes through just like women dont understand everything we go through. i just dont get whats up with the chocolate comment. it seemed fine to me, he ment no harm

[JMS825]

Can someone give me some bloody damn chocolates? lol

[Meg]

Well I hate chocolate...and I'm female.

What is wrong with you!?:eek: J/K I'm a chocoholic... I know, I have a problem.:p

[Horizon]

Well I hate chocolate...and I'm female.

You are the minority!! I only like it at "certain" times.And only milk chocolate.

Fries are good too.

[JMS825]

I only like chocolates when I am horney hence the pimples when I was a teen LOL J/K

[pnevai]

you know i love everyone at this site, its like family, but in my opinion, some of us need to calm down with the sexism card. what chocolates have to do with anything.

Ahh the Horror! another one.

OK as a happily married male, I feel safe explaining it. See women have this biological thing every month. Now if you were paying attention in your Human Anatomy classes this time of the month can cause extreme hormonal changes in a womans body. These changes can result in irritability, mood swings, among other things.

Chocolate is known for having a calming effect, and as a matter of well known fact, many women sometimes crave chocolate during this time of month because it make them feel better.

So if someone tells a agitated woman to go have some chocolate, the first thing that comes to mind is that he is insinuating that she is pre menstral and that is why she is being bitchy and the choclate bit is in as many words telling her to get off of it.

Now this is not what many of you would assume is the sexist part. The sexist part is by making this comment you are relegating the womans feelings about a subject as nothing more than a uncontrolable biological response, thus belittling her feelings and oppinion. That is what makes it sexist.

OK now does everyone understand? :)

[Horizon]

Ahh the Horror! another one.

OK as a happily married male, I feel safe explaining it. See women have this biological thing every month. Now if you were paying attention in your Human Anatomy classes this time of the month can cause extreme hormonal changes in a womans body. These changes can result in irritability, mood swings, among other things.

Chocolate is known for having a calming effect, and as a matter of well known fact, many women sometimes crave chocolate during this time of month because it make them feel better.

So if someone tell a agitated woman to go have some chocalate, the first thing that comes to mind is that he is insinuating that she is pre menstral and that is why she is being bitchy and the choclate bit is in as many words telling her to get off of it.

OK now does everyone understand? :)

A well informed male heard from!!!

[JMS825]

Ahh the Horror! another one.

OK as a happily married male, I feel safe explaining it. See women have this biological thing every month. Now if you were paying attention in your Human Anatomy classes this time of the month can cause extreme hormonal changes in a womans body. These changes can result in irritability, mood swings, among other things.

Chocolate is known for having a calming effect, and as a matter of well known fact, many women sometimes crave chocolate during this time of month because it make them feel better.

So if someone tell a agitated woman to go have some chocalate, the first thing that comes to mind is that he is insinuating that she is pre menstral and that is why she is being bitchy and the choclate bit is in as many words telling her to get off of it.

OK now does everyone understand? :)

But daddy what does that have to do with why the Cubs blew the playoffs

[Horizon]

but daddy what does that have to do with why the cubs blew the playoffs

huh???

[Meg]

Ahh the Horror! another one.

OK as a happily married male, I feel safe explaining it. See women have this biological thing every month. Now if you were paying attention in your Human Anatomy classes this time of the month can cause extreme hormonal changes in a womans body. These changes can result in irritability, mood swings, among other things.

Chocolate is known for having a calming effect, and as a matter of well known fact, many women sometimes crave chocolate during this time of month because it make them feel better.

So if someone tell a agitated woman to go have some chocalate, the first thing that comes to mind is that he is insinuating that she is pre menstral and that is why she is being bitchy and the choclate bit is in as many words telling her to get off of it.

OK now does everyone understand? :)


Thanks for the repeat Health Class lecture!:p

[joeysky18]

I mean you guys and gals are making me begin to dislike it now!:eek: What's next french fries!!!


Hell NO! I love Mcdonald french fries.

[Meg]

Hell NO! I love Mcdonald french fries.


Joey... You and I need to get some french fries!:D

[joeysky18]

Maybe we need our own bus?!

http://www.mccullagh.org/db9/1ds-10/pink-bus-burning-man.jpg

That bus is so corny!!! I'm not going near/over/under there. :D

[Ikasu]

Ahh the Horror! another one.

OK as a happily married male, I feel safe explaining it. See women have this biological thing every month. Now if you were paying attention in your Human Anatomy classes this time of the month can cause extreme hormonal changes in a womans body. These changes can result in irritability, mood swings, among other things.

Chocolate is known for having a calming effect, and as a matter of well known fact, many women sometimes crave chocolate during this time of month because it make them feel better.

So if someone tells a agitated woman to go have some chocolate, the first thing that comes to mind is that he is insinuating that she is pre menstral and that is why she is being bitchy and the choclate bit is in as many words telling her to get off of it.

OK now does everyone understand? :)

Is this common knowledge? This is the first time I've heard about the chocolate slur. Learn something new...

[Horizon]

That bus is so corny!!! I'm not going near/over/under there. :D
Then for F**k"s Sake,don't go Villaging!!

[CGP]

Is this common knowledge? This is the first time I've heard about the chocolate slur. Learn something new...

It's news to me too! :confused:

[ZY123]

That bus is so corny!!! I'm not going near/over/under there. :D

All the cool kids are doing it. :D

[joeysky18]

It's news to me too! :confused:

me too.

[pnevai]

A well informed male heard from!!!

My wife trained me well.

[Meg]

It's news to me too! :confused:
me too.

You have much to learn!:p


All the cool kids are doing it. :D


All the cool kids are heading to the Village too... DON'T DO IT! It's like jumping off a bridge!:D

[JMS825]

Hell NO! I love Mcdonald french fries.

here in IL they dont add salt anymore so it taste like a dried greasy piece of blah

[Horizon]

here in IL they dont add salt anymore so it taste like a dried greasy piece of blah

Bummer for you!! We still get the salt.

[Meg]

here in IL they dont add salt anymore so it taste like a dried greasy piece of blah

WTFD!!! Pardon my Francias! Ca c'est merde!!!:eek:

[CGP]

All the cool kids are heading to the Village too... DON'T DO IT! It's like jumping off a bridge!:D

Ah heck, why not, it's a free world! The landing might hurt though! :eek:

http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/070926/070926_wVirginia_vmed12p.widec.jpg

[joeysky18]

here in IL they dont add salt anymore so it taste like a dried greasy piece of blah

They commited a crime to the poor french fries.

[CGP]

What was this thread about? I have forgotten...:confused:

[MrSandMan]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c66/Chazzy29/DSCN4750-1.jpg

[Horizon]

Hmmm... We seem to have covered some really odd ground here.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Meg]

What was this thread about? I have forgotten...:confused:


Something about moving on or something?:confused:



RAGING COCONUTS!!!!!!!!

[CGP]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c66/Chazzy29/DSCN4750-1.jpg

Top marks for effort. :)

Meredith - I think you have to give him the benefit of the doubt, in the spirit of "common ground". Other males (myself included) in this thread also had no clue about the "chocolate/PMS" connotations...

[Horizon]

Top marks for effort. :)

Meredith - I think you have to give him the benefit of the doubt, in the spirit of "common ground". Other males (myself included) in this thread also had no clue about the "chocolate/PMS" connotations...

I had already posted I would give him the benefit of the doubt.My sense of humor has run out on this one now.

[pnevai]

This thread has taken on a life of it's own. And such a Andy Warhol one at that. Or maybe Picasso.

[ZY123]

Something about moving on or something?:confused:



RAGING COCONUTS!!!!!!!!

As long as the coconuts are raging I was thinking of making this my avatar:

http://www.wingtv.net/images/groupthink.gif

[CGP]

I had already posted I would give him the benefit of the doubt.My sense of humor has run out on this one now.

I suggest you go do something else - anything but reading this thread!

Try it - distraction works wonders some times. :cool:

[CGP]

As long as the coconuts are raging I was thinking of making this my avatar:

http://www.wingtv.net/images/groupthink.gif

I like it so much that I want it.

Would that be evidence of "group think", wanting to think the same way as you?!! :eek:

[Meg]

This thread has taken on a life of it's own. And such a Andy Warhol one at that. Or maybe Picasso.


I think we've in fact... moved on.:confused:

[joeysky18]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c66/Chazzy29/DSCN4750-1.jpg

Nice gesture man. Good work.

[Ikasu]

Is Meredith1 = Mary?

See, guys are slow.

[ZY123]

I like it so much that I want it.

Would that be evidence of "group think", wanting to think the same way as you?!! :eek:

LMAO! :p

LOL...look at this one:

http://faculty.css.edu/dswenson/web/TWAssoc/groupthink.GIF

[CGP]

This thread has taken on a life of it's own. And such a Andy Warhol one at that. Or maybe Picasso.

It seems unstoppable at this point.

So many twists & turns, I can't keep up!

http://z.about.com/d/boardgames/1/0/F/i/life_twists_turns_box.jpg

[CGP]

Is Meredith1 = Mary?

See, guys are slow.

Identity changes are legal!

[Horizon]

Is Meredith1 = Mary?

See, guys are slow.

Yep!Guilty as charged.Needed a change.The ex BF used to call me Meredith when I was really bitchy.It seemed fitting.

[Meg]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c66/Chazzy29/DSCN4750-1.jpg


May I say you have rather girlish handwriting... not a bad thing.:p

[CGP]

I like this picture, by the way - went searching for "twists & turns" and found this:

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg76/fletch53186/TwistsTurns.jpg

[Horizon]

Is Meredith1 = Mary?

See, guys are slow.

What gave me up? Must have recognized my ASSHAT!

[CGP]

May I say you have rather girlish handwriting... not a bad thing.:p

That's because maybe his wife wrote it? As she made the cookies.

[ZY123]

I got one more...thought this one was appropriate.

http://www.lovelandnet.com/toms-place/writing/rent-a-mob/rentamob01.jpg

[CGP]

What gave me up? Must have recognized my ASSHAT!

Gosh, you were so well hidden! NOT!

[Horizon]

I like this picture, by the way - went searching for "twists & turns" and found this:

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg76/fletch53186/TwistsTurns.jpg

Would that be the Long And Winding Road,to Nowhere??

[joeysky18]

I like this picture, by the way - went searching for "twists & turns" and found this:

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg76/fletch53186/TwistsTurns.jpg

It will go well with the Beatles song "The Long And Winding Road".

[MrSandMan]

May I say you have rather girlish handwriting... not a bad thing.:p

Oh... don't make me take another photo to prove that I am male :p

[CGP]

I got one more...thought this one was appropriate.

http://www.lovelandnet.com/toms-place/writing/rent-a-mob/rentamob01.jpg

That's good one too!

I had a great comment to make too but I refrained. ;)

[ZY123]

That's good one too!

I had a great comment to make too but I refrained. ;)

Me too....I had to hold back my caption!

[Meg]

That's because maybe his wife wrote it? As she made the cookies.


That's makes his apology photo less authentic. Bad move Sandman.:p

[Ikasu]

What gave me up? Must have recognized my ASSHAT!

Being honest... ethering the guy about the chocolate. I'm like, "This is Mary!!" :)

[CGP]

Would that be the Long And Winding Road,to Nowhere??

Heck, I don't mind. It's destination unknown anyway...

[joeysky18]

That's good one too!

I had a great comment to make too but I refrained. ;)

what what? I'm curious!

BTW, I will work for food. :D:D

[Meg]

That's good one too!

I had a great comment to make too but I refrained. ;)

Me too....I had to hold back my caption!


Oh... I can think of serveral..

[pnevai]

I have to put on my super congnitive rejuvinating brain modifier just to deduce a pattern here.

http://www.neomanox.com/blog/images/EmmetBrown.jpeg

[CGP]

I have to put on my super congnitive rejuvinator brain modifier just to deduce a pattern here.

http://www.neomanox.com/blog/images/EmmetBrown.jpeg

Oh, that got a loud laugh from me. :D

[ZY123]

http://www.jazz-sax.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/groupthink.jpg

[ZY123]

I have to put on my super congnitive rejuvinating brain modifier just to deduce a pattern here.

http://www.neomanox.com/blog/images/EmmetBrown.jpeg

hahahhahahahahha. http://www.jysira.com/forum/images/smilies/lol.gif

[Horizon]

HEY!SANDMAN!
So,your damn pic was funny as hell.It made me laugh at the same time was pissed,which mellowed the pissed.Giving you the benefit of the doubt here.THIS TIME!! LOL!! Be careful who you say that to.Now you know how it might be taken,and it can be hurtful.You are forgiven,For now.;);)

[CGP]

HEY!SANDMAN!
So,your damn pic was funny as hell.It made me laugh at the same time was pissed,which mellowed the pissed.Giving you the benefit of the doubt here.THIS TIME!! LOL!! Be careful who you say that to.Now you know how it might be taken,and it can be hurtful.You are forgiven,For now.;);)

I'm impressed! Common ground even in amongst chaos! :cool:

[MrSandMan]

HEY!SANDMAN!
So,your damn pic was funny as hell.It made me laugh at the same time was pissed,which mellowed the pissed.Giving you the benefit of the doubt here.THIS TIME!! LOL!! Be careful who you say that to.Now you know how it might be taken,and it can be hurtful.You are forgiven,For now.;);)

Well I'm glad that you aren't pissed anymore, but know this... my wife will be pissed at me now if she finds out that I published photos of her cookies on the internet. She gave me strict orders to never publish photos of her cookies OR her burritos.

Pray for me.

[Meg]

Well I'm glad that you aren't pissed anymore, but know this... my wife will be pissed at me now if she finds out that I published photos of her cookies on the internet. She gave me strict orders to never publish photos of her cookies OR her burritos.

Pray for me.


Remind us to send her an email!:p

[Horizon]

Well I'm glad that you aren't pissed anymore, but know this... my wife will be pissed at me now if she finds out that I published photos of her cookies on the internet. She gave me strict orders to never publish photos of her cookies OR her burritos.

Pray for me.

It might be a little much to have her and I on your ass both in one night.I am a good secret keeper!

What so great about her burritos??

[CGP]

As long as the coconuts are raging I was thinking of making this my avatar:

http://www.wingtv.net/images/groupthink.gif

If you take the anti-mob rule avatar, can I have this one?!!! ;)

[ZY123]

If you take the anti-mob rule avatar, can I have this one?!!! ;)

You take this one and I'll take Group Intellect! I don't think mob rule will shrink well...I could try it.

I'll try mob rule first...then group intellect.

[MrSandMan]

It might be a little much to have her and I on your ass both in one night.I am a good secret keeper!

What so great about her burritos??

I'm not allowed to tell. :p

-Don't worry Meggles, I'm trying to get rid of all the evidence.

[Meg]

You take this one and I'll take Group Intellect! I don't think mob rule will shrink well...I could try it.


LOL and I have my handy dandy sign avatar!:p

[CGP]

I'm not allowed to tell. :p

-Don't worry Meggles, I'm trying to get rid of all the evidence.

As long as she (your wife) doesn't hang out at HCF tracking your posts, there should be no problem! ;)

[Horizon]

I'm not allowed to tell. :p

-Don't worry Meggles, I'm trying to get rid of all the evidence.

Now that we're all Kumbayah and all,could you change your siggy? Please?
It REALLY annoys me.I ate crow in front of the ENTIRE forum tonight and apologized to you.Now,the ball is in YOUR court!
LOL!;);)

[xfiles]

I'm one of 2 Obama supporters active on this forum. You have to understand I am ALWAYS on the defensive here.

Good for you but Obama deserves NO defense. You are not as well informed as you think you are and many of your points are specious.

One example: you mentioned Geraldine Ferraro and her comment about Obama not being where he was if he were not black. She was lambasted for that and you use it as a point of contention.

DID YOU KNOW, prior to Ferraro saying that, Obama said it about himself????

But of course, he didn't bother to point that out and say "Leave the woman alone. Even I said that about myself."

He allowed every misunderstood comment to favor himself even when he knew it was disingenuous.

I have com to the conclusion that Obama supporters are not very deep thinkers and do not realize the truth even when slapped in the face with it.

You see, most of us cannot forgive and forget when it comes to fraud in obtaining the presidency and ignoring our Constitution.

George Bush is another fraud who became President fraudulently and created the atmosphere we have today which allowed Obama to steal another election. He started the Iraq war and everything else negative followed.

So, there is plenty of blame to go around on al sides but forgiving and forgetting is not in the picture whatsoever.

[CGP]

Now that we're all Kumbayah and all,could you change your siggy? Please?
It REALLY annoys me.I ate crow in front of the ENTIRE forum tonight and apologized to you.Now,the ball is in YOUR court!
LOL!;);)

His signature doesn't bother me...? It has some truth to it.

[MrSandMan]

As long as she (your wife) doesn't hang out at HCF tracking your posts, there should be no problem! ;)

Ha! She's not interested in message boards. She only gets online to check her email or to do her homework... oh and to shoe shop.

[Meg]

His signature doesn't bother me...? It has some truth to it.


Murray... your avatar, very nice!:D

[MrSandMan]

Good for you but Obama deserves NO defense. You are not as well informed as you think you are and many of your points are specious.

One example: you mentioned Geraldine Ferraro and her comment about Obama not being where he was if he were not black. She was lambasted for that and you use it as a point of contention.

DID YOU KNOW, prior to Ferraro saying that, Obama said it about himself????

But of course, he didn't bother to point that out and say "Leave the woman alone. Even I said that about myself."

He allowed every misunderstood comment to favor himself even when he knew it was disingenuous.

I have com to the conclusion that Obama supporters are not very deep thinkers and do not realize the truth even when slapped in the face with it.

You see, most of us cannot forgive and forget when it comes to fraud in obtaining the presidency and ignoring our Constitution.

George Bush is another fraud who became President fraudulently and created the atmosphere we have today which allowed Obama to steal another election. He started the Iraq war and everything else negative followed.

So, there is plenty of blame to go around on al sides but forgiving and forgetting is not in the picture whatsoever.

Somebody is off topic! Oh wait, that would be us. :D

Carry on.

[ZY123]

His signature doesn't bother me...? It has some truth to it.


That Avatar ROCKS! Now I just need mine!

EDIT: What are the size limits? 100 x 100?

[Horizon]

I found it!!

[Meg]

I found it!!


OMG THE ASSHAT RETURNS!!!:eek::D

[CGP]

That Avatar ROCKS! Now I just need mine!

EDIT: What are the size limits? 100 x 100?

Thanks for finding it!

Yes, 100 x 100.

[ZY123]

oh I got it! Maybe a tad bigger I think.

[joeysky18]

I found it!!

Offensive!!

Foul!

Muzza! Penalty to the Asshat!

:D

[Horizon]

OMG THE ASSHAT RETURNS!!!:eek::D

The last time I tried to use it,it offended a Mod.I would hope Murray is a little less uptight.We are liberal aren't we??

[joeysky18]

The last time I tried to use it,it offended a Mod.I would hope Murray is a little less uptight.We are liberal aren't we??

If yuo want to show your butt to the world, I have no objection.

[MrSandMan]

Is this still the "battle ground" thread?

Murry, change it to "Kumbaya" :D

[Horizon]

If yuo want to show your butt to the world, I have no objection.

Thanks for allowing my ass to hang out!!!

It's very freeing.

[Horizon]

Is this still the "battle ground" thread?

Murry, change it to "Kumbaya" :D

You should be happier about this.We can turn on you at any second!

[CGP]

Is this still the "battle ground" thread?

Murry, change it to "Kumbaya" :D

Well, it started as "flame", turned "battle", turned "kumbaya"...

I suspect flame/battle posts will return at some point. ;)

TheTaoOfBill has missed all the action too.

[MrSandMan]

You should be happier about this.We can turn on you at any second!

If you do, the sig goes back up. Be warned :cool:

[CGP]

We can turn on you at any second!

Oh really? I would never have thought! ;)

[Horizon]

If you do, the sig goes back up. Be warned :cool:

Hey!! You removed it!! That was very sweet of you! Thanks.;)

[Horizon]

Well, it started as "flame", turned "battle", turned "kumbaya"...

I suspect flame/battle posts will return at some point. ;)

TheTaoOfBill has missed all the action too.
He bailed before the we ended the first Page I think!!
Oh really? I would never have thought! ;)

I am always gracious and kind.And sweet.

HAHAHAHA!!!!:D:D

[ZY123]

Well, it started as "flame", turned "battle", turned "kumbaya"...

I suspect flame/battle posts will return at some point. ;)

TheTaoOfBill has missed all the action too.

No to kumbaya. http://www.jysira.com/forum/images/smilies/thumbdown.gif


http://www.jysira.com/forum/images/smilies/drunksing.gif

And one last crazy groupthink image...this one is called ALIEN GROUPTHINK!

http://jackblood.netfirms.com/home/images/hypno-groupthink.gif

[Kaylin]

well, if you take personalities out of it, the Democratic Party still has a flawed nominating system that disenfranchised a lot of its members. plus, there is now an entire generation that believes when neither candidate meets the delegate threshold for nomination, the party elite (superdelegates) orchestrate the outcome. this goes back to McGovern's landslide loss, and the party elite's decision to circumvent the will of its voters when it doesn't agree.

the public financing system, flawed as it was to begin with, is now completely broken. money talks, period, and it doesn't even matter where the money came from.

never in our history has the will of the people been so weakened.

who's going to fix that? the standard bearer, who exploited and benefitted from every flaw? that's doubtful.

these are matters that no one should think is okay just because their candidate won, because going forward, it's a situation that isn't good for anyone.

[TheTaoOfBill]

well, if you take personalities out of it, the Democratic Party still has a flawed nominating system that disenfranchised a lot of its members. plus, there is now an entire generation that believes when neither candidate meets the delegate threshold for nomination, the party elite (superdelegates) orchestrate the outcome. this goes back to McGovern's landslide loss, and the party elite's decision to circumvent the will of its voters when it doesn't agree.

the public financing system, flawed as it was to begin with, is now completely broken. money talks, period, and it doesn't even matter where the money came from.

never in our history has the will of the people been so weakened.

who's going to fix that? the standard bearer, who exploited and benefitted from every flaw? that's doubtful.

these are matters that no one should think is okay just because their candidate won, because going forward, it's a situation that isn't good for anyone.

Considering Obama had 18million votes just like Hillary possibly even more depending on how you count it I fail to see how the system went against the people.

[xfiles]

The dem nominating system is beyond flawed. It is corrupt and easy to manipulate and cheat as happened this time around in favor of Obama.

I never would occur to Hillary to cheat and that is why they were not prepared in advance to try to negate or stop Obama's cheating.

He did not win the nomination fairly and squarely.

That cheating is the basis upon which his candidacy became fraudulent and continued throughout the election process.

Not acceptable and neither is he! :mad::mad:

[TheTaoOfBill]

The dem nominating system is beyond flawed. It is corrupt and easy to manipulate and cheat as happened this time around in favor of Obama.

I never would occur to Hillary to cheat and that is why they were not prepared in advance to try to negate or stop Obama's cheating.

He did not win the nomination fairly and squarely.

That cheating is the basis upon which his candidacy became fraudulent and continued throughout the election process.

Not acceptable and neither is he! :mad::mad:

I would consider attempting to change the rules in the middle of the game like she did with FL and MI cheating. But that's one of those Obama/Hillary points of view that the other side doesn't seem to get.

You don't seem to understand that if Hillary had her way with MI there would have been a PUMA group against Hillary.

You should have seen the anger at Hillary. Especially in Michigan. It was like she was pretending to be our savior when it was very transparent she was only fighting for us now because she needed to and she had no problem hanging us out to dry when there was no political motivation to do anything about it.

[Folamix]

I changed it to "battleground thread" as that's what it is, a battle!

that's why I voted for BattleGround Politics:p

All jokes aside, I can understand Obama supporters feeling just as angered over what they perceive as slights against their candidate as Hillary supporters feeling upset about her treatment. I happen to think they are misinformed and misguided but everyone has the right to their own opinion. I also can never forget what happened to Hillary during the primaries. But all that is in the past and cannot be changed, we need to move on to the issues now.

Obama won the popular vote and, barring any major upset, will become the new POTUS. The focus needs to be on taking our country forward. Now if Obama is doing something I agree with, I will give him credit but if not, he gets no pass from me.

[TheTaoOfBill]

that's why I voted for BattleGround Politics

Actually I do like that name lol.

[xfiles]

If true the anger was misplaced. Should have been on Obama. The rules needed to be changed in the middle of the game as they were drastically draconian. Hillary was not in the wrong. Obama & his dem cronies were!

I would consider attempting to change the rules in the middle of the game like she did with FL and MI cheating. But that's one of those Obama/Hillary points of view that the other side doesn't seem to get.

You don't seem to understand that if Hillary had her way with MI there would have been a PUMA group against Hillary.

You should have seen the anger at Hillary. Especially in Michigan. It was like she was pretending to be our savior when it was very transparent she was only fighting for us now because she needed to and she had no problem hanging us out to dry when there was no political motivation to do anything about it.

[Folamix]

Well, lots of phrases have multiple meanings. And while your usage of the phrase may have been innocent, it actually does have sexism potential if interpreted in a particular way. It's like a lot of things, someone might say something very innocently to me which I deem to be offensive and vice versa. I guess it's about being mindful of the group/audience you are interacting with and thinking about what might be potentially offensive. But then again you (anyone) can't always know so there needs to be some forgiveness when mistakes are made.

So very true. No need to be intentionally offensive but you don't always know. Some folks on this forum find some things offensive which do not even ruffle my feathers, while some other things definitely do, but that is my own personal feelings.

[TheTaoOfBill]

If true the anger was misplaced. Should have been on Obama. The rules needed to be changed in the middle of the game as they were drastically draconian. Hillary was not in the wrong. Obama & his dem cronies were!

The best comparison I can give you to make you understand why Obama supporters were pissed is basketball.

Let's say we were about to play 1 on 1 basketball. But first we decided to warm up a bit. We decided the first 10 shots weren't going to count.

I make all 10 shots in a row and you only make about 5. It was an amazing display of basketball talent on my part :p.

Then we agree it's time to start the game. Eventually you win with 21 points to my15 points. Then I say "well actually if you count the shots I took in warm up I got to 21 points first! Warmup shots deserve a voice too!"

That would be absolutely bullshit of me to do! You can't claim victory using points you agreed would not count at the begining.

Hillary agreed not to count MI and FL. She did not stand up for us when we were begging for people to stand up for us. But then when it became clear that Obama was going to win she all the sudden said "Oh you remember those points we said wouldn't count? Yeah we should count them"

You can't just do that. Once you agree to the rules you stick to the rules. It would have changed the game entirely if MI and FL counted. Who knows who would have won MI. The demographics are definitely strong for Obama in MI.

It's impossible to tell who would have won when there was no campaigning allowed in either state. Especially when one state had almost no big names on the ballot other than Hillary Clinton.

Also even before the rules committee when Hillary proposed a redo she even changed the rules for the redo making it a closed election unlike the open one that the original was. Not only that but she wanted to bar democrats who voted republican due to lack of names on the democratic ballot out. That's another example of Hillary changing rules.

So yeah Obama supporters definitely have legitimate reasons to be pissed. And no they aren't misinformed. They just saw things differently.

[Horizon]

But,Bill.Obama DID campaign in Fla.! He spent a LARGE some of money on campaign ads that ran for quite some time during what was supposed to be the "No campaigning period".How is that fair? When the DNC was alerted,they did NOTHING!! And,the MSM refused to report this.

Fairness?? How fair is THAT?