09 Dec 2008: "Gays protest outside the Vatican in support of UN declaration" (PinkNews UK)

[calmati]

FULL STORY (http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-9794.html)

Speaking of the Vatican...

Hundreds of people protested outside the Vatican City on Saturday in support of a declaration calling for the universal decriminalisation of homosexuality to be presented at the UN next week.

Some wore a noose around their neck, others held candles and displayed rainbow flags.

They were protesting the Vatican's hostile stance towards the declaration, which is being presented by France on behalf of the EU.

Monsignor Celestino Migliore, the Holy See's permanent observer at the UN, said last week that the declaration could be used to force countries to recognise same-sex marriage.

"If adopted, they would create new and implacable discriminations," he said.

"For example, states which do not recognise same-sex unions as 'matrimony' will be pilloried and made an object of pressure."

More than 90 countries outlaw same-sex relations in all circumstances.

The maximum punishments range from a few years jail to life imprisonment.

In nine countries, or regions of countries, the mandatory punishment for homosexuality is death by execution.

There is no mention of same-sex marriage in the UN declaration.

Only a handful of countries recognise gay and lesbian marriages, among them Canada, Belgium and South Africa.

Aurelio Mancuso, national president of Italian gay rights group Arcigay, said the Vatican was wicked.

"What happened today is extremely important," he said after the protest.

"LGBT people have launched a global campaign in defence of life and dignity of thousands of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender citizens and the wickedness of Vatican politicians must not prevail over the human rights."

[Horizon]

Good for them for taking a stand.
The Catholic church needs to get the message that they are NOT in charge of our lives, Catholic or not and I personally tired of having their so called morals and values shoved upon the entire world as if they the moral police of the entire universe.

[Meg]

Ok... I just have too... :rolleyes:

Source?

[Horizon]

Ok... I just have too... :rolleyes:

Source?

It's up top. It says full story.

Her source is actually God himself, speaking through the Catholic Church like always!

[Meg]

It's up top. It says full story.

Her source is actually God himself, speaking through the Catholic Church like always!


LOl I know the source was there. But speaking of the Vatican ... it had to be said!:p

[calmati]

Oh man, I was in another thread and totally missed that opportunity!

/facepalm

[Horizon]

Duh. Blonde Moment here.
I know Meg is NOT blonde, I an hoping I didn't just offend the hell out of calmati!

[Meg]

Duh. Blonde Moment here.
I know Meg is NOT blonde, I an hoping I didn't just offend the hell out of calmati!

LOl I can be sometimes!:p

[calmati]

Of all the things in the world that might offend me, haircolor and it's reflection of perceived intelligence is NOT one of them.

FWIW: Dark brown hair here.

[Horizon]

Of all the things in the world that might offend me, haircolor and it's reflection of perceived intelligence is NOT one of them.

FWIW: Dark brown hair here.

Thank GOD!!! Dark reddish brown here, was blonde last year, and it's true, they have a sickening amount of fun!

[Meg]

Of all the things in the world that might offend me, haircolor and it's reflection of perceived intelligence is NOT one of them.

FWIW: Dark brown hair here.

LOL me too! And Mary as well! Go figure:p

[Ikasu]

I have black hair.

{felt left out}

[Horizon]

I have black hair.

{felt left out}

Dark haired men are always more attractive,to me anyway.
Must also have big feet.

[Meg]

I have black hair.

{felt left out}

Well does it look black when the sun hits it? If not... join the dark brown group!:p


Must also have big feet.

Couldn't resist... could you.

[Ikasu]

Dark haired men are always more attractive,to me anyway.
Must also have big feet.

Tall, dark, and handsome? I hope that's me. Is big feet code? :p

[Ikasu]

Well does it look black when the sun hits it? If not... join the dark brown group!:p

Yea, it's pretty black.

[Horizon]

Well does it look black when the sun hits it? If not... join the dark brown group!:p




Couldn't resist... could you.

Nope. I was lmao off the whole time I was typing it!!

Carry on,back to the gays and the Vatican and GODS WILL AS SPOKEN THROUGH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH!

[Meg]

Yea, it's pretty black.

Awesome... I wish mine was black.:( Except it's the closest thing to black I can get without coloring it.:rolleyes:

[Horizon]

Awesome... I wish mine was black.:( Except it's the closest thing to black I can get without coloring it.:rolleyes:

Don't color it black!! Even professionally done, it looks awful!! Keep what you have, it's pretty!

[Meg]

Nope. I was lmao off the whole time I was typing it!!

Carry on,back to the gays and the Vatican and GODS WILL AS SPOKEN THROUGH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH!

I bet you were! :p Let's move off the topic of "FEET" and back to God's word against gays.:rolleyes:

[Ikasu]

Awesome... I wish mine was black.:( Except it's the closest thing to black I can get without coloring it.:rolleyes:

Yea mine is black and curly. I usually get a short cut though.

[Meg]

Don't color it black!! Even professionally done, it looks awful!! Keep what you have, it's pretty!

OMG are you crazy!:eek: I could never color my hair... I like it just fine. I pass for too many ethnicities as it is!:eek:

[Meg]

Yea mine is black and curly. I usually get a short cut though.

Mine's CURLY too!:p

[Artists4Hillary]

Dark brown hair straight hair, below my "behind." Love it. Wouldn't change it for anything, nor cut it.

[joeysky18]

How did the thread about the Vatican and equal rights turn into the hair color? :confused:

Women!


:D

[Meg]

How did the thread about the Vatican and equal rights turn into the hair color? :confused:

Women!


:D

Because Mary had a blonde moment!:p

[TheTaoOfBill]

Poor Calmiti...
Every thread she makes seems to get completely hijacked. No one even attempted to discuss the topic. This is thread should be titled "What color is your hair"

[Meg]

Poor Calmiti...
Every thread she makes seems to get completely hijacked. No one even attempted to discuss the topic. This is thread should be titled "What color is your hair"

Welll since you popped in! What color is your hair?:p

[TheTaoOfBill]

Welll since you popped in! What color is your hair?:p

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v257/177/53/40001157/n40001157_32637124_3165.jpg

That's me... lightish brown I guess...

[Spang]

So that's what an Obama supporter looks like? You don't look that evil to me!

[Horizon]

So that's what an Obama supporter looks like? You don't look that evil to me!

Can you NOT see the horns popping out the side of his head?? WTF!! Are you BLIND MAN!!!

[Meg]

So that's what an Obama supporter looks like? You don't look that evil to me!

Can you NOT see the horns popping out the side of his head?? WTF!! Are you BLIND MAN!!!


He's hiding the dagger under the table.:p;):D j/k...

[TheTaoOfBill]

He's hiding the dagger under the table.:p;):D j/k...

That's dirty... :p

[Ikasu]

He looks like a typical Obama supporter.

*ducks*

[Horizon]

That's dirty... :p

Umm... Bill? I think you're the only one that thought that! http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/silly.gif

Freakin Perv.

[Meg]

That's dirty... :p

Rofl... it's what I do. You're the one with your hand under the table. :p

He looks like a typical Obama supporter.

*ducks*

It's cause he's white, right. LOL:D

[sojourner]

Dark haired men are always more attractive,to me anyway.
Must also have big feet.

Are we allowed to use the f-word in this forum? ;)

[TheTaoOfBill]

Umm... Bill? I think you're the only one that thought that! http://www.anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/silly.gif

Freakin Perv.
You're talking to a college guy what do you expect?!

[Ikasu]

It's cause he's white, right. LOL:D

Exactly.

[Horizon]

Are we allowed to use the f-word in this forum? ;)

As long as "big" proceeds it! We talk about feet all the time!:eek:

[Meg]

As long as "big" proceeds it! We talk about feet all the time!:eek:

*Pleads the 5th* :eek:

[thebword]

OMG I'm watching SNL with Hugh Laurie and started scanning this thread. You guys are sooooooo off topic.

In between colors Med. golden brown with highlights at the moment. But considering going back to dark blonde/light brown with more highlights. Just like my politics, my hair, is a blend of more then "one" agenda.

[Meg]

OMG I'm watching SNL with Hugh Laurie and started scanning this thread. You guys are sooooooo off topic.

In between colors Med. golden brown with highlights at the moment. But considering going back to dark blonde/light brown with more highlights. Just like my politics, my hair, is a blend of more then "one" agenda.

Off topic by just a little. :D Thanks for sending us further away, much appreciated!;)

[thebword]

Off topic by just a little. :D Thanks for sending us further away, much appreciated!;)

My pleasure.

Being a Catholic I'm slightly offended by the Vatican and the Catholic Church is becoming the boogieman of the LBGT community.

But on the other hand being a member of a family with more then one member of the LBGT community I am thrilled that progress is being made to end discrimination against LBGT's and bring attention to that cause on a world stage.

Again another fine demonstration of why I am in between the two major political parties.

[calmati]

Poor Calmiti...
Every thread she makes seems to get completely hijacked. No one even attempted to discuss the topic. This is thread should be titled "What color is your hair"

I heart my hijacked threads. :p:D

[TheTaoOfBill]

catholics won't even allow women priests yet. That puts them over 40 years behind the times if you ask me. So we shouldn't expect the catholics to take an accepting attitude toward gays and lesbians anytime soon.

[Meg]

I heart my hijacked threads. :p:D

They bring the LULZ! :D

catholics won't even allow women priests yet. That puts them over 40 years behind the times if you ask me. So we shouldn't expect the catholics to take an accepting attitude toward gays and lesbians anytime soon.

Not really, the Catholic religion, to me anyway, has always seemed a little backward.

[calmati]

"I'm a Roman Catholic - and have been since before I was born. And the one thing that they say about Catholics is, they'll take you as soon as your warm.

You don't have to be a 6-footer, you don't have to have a great brain..."

Oh, go YouTube the rest.

[Meg]

Much needed in this thread! :eek::D:p

http://www.kaitaia.com/funny/pictures/ThreadHijack/thread_direction.gif

[calmati]

Lemme guess... you were just searching for "Vatican" posts.

Am I right? :p

[CGP]

catholics won't even allow women priests yet. That puts them over 40 years behind the times if you ask me. So we shouldn't expect the catholics to take an accepting attitude toward gays and lesbians anytime soon.

That might explain why I left Catholicism behind about 15 years ago.

Generally speaking, however, I think Catholics are less bigoted than some other so-called Christians. But maybe I am biased (favorably) towards Catholics only because I was raised in a Catholic environment.

There are some truly wonderful people who are Christian.

There are some also truly horrible people who are "Christian".

Quotation marks used intentionally.

[Meg]

Lemme guess... you were just searching for "Vatican" posts.

Am I right? :p

Just this Vatican post! :eek: I thought it was quite fitting. We somehow got on topic at the end of the thread... sorta. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_6_2v.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=_undefined)
http://www.smileycentral.com/sig.jsp?pc=ZSzeb112&pp=ZNxdm824YYUS (http://smiley.smileycentral.com/download/index.jhtml?partner=ZSzeb112_ZNxdm824YYUS&utm_id=7920)

[calmati]

That might explain why I left Catholicism behind about 15 years ago.

Generally speaking, however, I think Catholics are less bigoted than some other so-called Christians. But maybe I am biased (favorably) towards Catholics only because I was raised in a Catholic environment.

There are some truly wonderful people who are Christian.

There are some also truly horrible people who are "Christian".

Quotation marks used intentionally.

I grew up in a large Roman Catholic family. I also survived 12 years of Parochial School, including an all-girls High School.

Thankfully, we were blessed with parents who did not subscribe to the anti-gay doctrine.

I still consider myself Catholic, but only in a more cultural sense. It's a part of who I am... even though I don't agree with all of it's teachings (and don't even get me started on the History).

Little story about calmati and a couple of gay dudes she loves:

We had two men as next-door neighbors for over 10 years. They were a gay couple in a committed long-term relationship. The longer we knew them, the more they became part of our family. When my father passed away, they took over the preparation of the food and seating for the wake... we never asked, they just did it. At the last minute, we needed two pallbearers to replace two unreliable relatives. We didn't have to ask -- they were there for us.

A month later, when my mother passed away (rough year), they were there for us again. Always anticipating what we needed, never complaining... So, when I spoke to the priest -- and mind you, I had to pick my words carefully -- I SPECIFICALLY asked that these two men be acknowledged and thanked during the eulogy (which he did). Boy, did I piss off a couple of "conservative" relatives! And, I didn't give a rat's ass! The only people I cared about were MY FAMILY. That included my parents, my brothers, my sisters, my wonderful neighbors, and a handful of Aunts and cousins. I knew who was there for us over the last 10+ years. The rest... I don't talk to anymore. Life is too short to waste on hateful people.

It's funny. I don't really think "gay" when I think about them. I just know them as "Bob" and "Fred" (not their real names). It's hard to say in text... but I mean I don't consider them as "gay" first and "people" second. They're just really wonderful people whom I love. But that's the way it should be with ALL people. No matter if you're Catholic, or Atheist, or gay, or hetero, or black, or Hispanic... All that should matter is that are you a good person with a good heart. It seems so simple. And it hurts me to wonder why that is so hard for others to comprehend.

/rambling

[Meg]

I still consider myself Catholic, but only in a more cultural sense. It's a part of who I am... even though I don't agree with all of it's teachings (and don't even get me started on the History).

The history of the Catholic church is pretty bad! :eek:

And that story about the two gay men you know! :o Awwsss.

[CGP]

I still consider myself Catholic, but only in a more cultural sense. It's a part of who I am...

I wouldn't describe myself as "Catholic" anymore, but I agree (like you said) that it's still a part of me. I am sure some of the more positive things about Catholicism have been incorporated into my identity/character. So I am not one for blocking out my history. Occasionally (very occasionally) I have thoughts about going back to church, but that has not (til now) translated into any kind of action.

[CGP]

It's funny. I don't really think "gay" when I think about them. I just know them as "Bob" and "Fred" (not their real names). It's hard to say in text... but I mean I don't consider them as "gay" first and "people" second. They're just really wonderful people whom I love. But that's the way it should be with ALL people. No matter if you're Catholic, or Atheist, or gay, or hetero, or black, or Hispanic... All that should matter is that are you a good person with a good heart. It seems so simple. And it hurts me to wonder why that is so hard for others to comprehend.



Your view is not "funny" at all - it's healthy & just.

Discrimination is always fueled by viewing people not as human beings, but as some kind of "other" entity first and foremost. Gays aren't people - they are gays. Blacks aren't people - they are blacks. Illegal immigrants aren't people - they are illegals. Only when people focus on the HUMANITY which is common to all do they "get it".

[calmati]

I wouldn't describe myself as "Catholic" anymore, but I agree (like you said) that it's still a part of me. I am sure some of the more positive things about Catholicism have been incorporated into my identity/character. So I am not one for blocking out my history. Occasionally (very occasionally) I have thoughts about going back to church, but that has not (til now) translated into any kind of action.

I haven't been back since shortly after high school. I've read the book -- MANY TIMES. I get it. I'm done. But, I still do a presepio at Christmastime and I still send cards, and proudly display my mother's beautiful Madonna figurine... some things will always be a part of me.

[Spang]

Little story about calmati and a couple of gay dudes she loves:

We had two men as next-door neighbors for over 10 years. They were a gay couple in a committed long-term relationship. The longer we knew them, the more they became part of our family. When my father passed away, they took over the preparation of the food and seating for the wake... we never asked, they just did it. At the last minute, we needed two pallbearers to replace two unreliable relatives. We didn't have to ask -- they were there for us.

A month later, when my mother passed away (rough year), they were there for us again. Always anticipating what we needed, never complaining... So, when I spoke to the priest -- and mind you, I had to pick my words carefully -- I SPECIFICALLY asked that these two men be acknowledged and thanked during the eulogy (which he did). Boy, did I piss off a couple of "conservative" relatives! And, I didn't give a rat's ass! The only people I cared about were MY FAMILY. That included my parents, my brothers, my sisters, my wonderful neighbors, and a handful of Aunts and cousins. I knew who was there for us over the last 10+ years. The rest... I don't talk to anymore. Life is too short to waste on hateful people.

It's funny. I don't really think "gay" when I think about them. I just know them as "Bob" and "Fred" (not their real names). It's hard to say in text... but I mean I don't consider them as "gay" first and "people" second. They're just really wonderful people whom I love. But that's the way it should be with ALL people. No matter if you're Catholic, or Atheist, or gay, or hetero, or black, or Hispanic... All that should matter is that are you a good person with a good heart. It seems so simple. And it hurts me to wonder why that is so hard for others to comprehend.

/rambling

I missed this story. I'm glad I found it. It's a very good story. Two thumbs up.

[Den2006]

Hair? Hiar color well mine is alburn and dispite the unhappiness of most my age it's still all there thick and full although a bit of salt and pepper seems to be finding it's way in here and there.

[foxyladi]

Of all the things in the world that might offend me, haircolor and it's reflection of perceived intelligence is NOT one of them.

FWIW: Dark brown hair here.

ditto..gray here..the few i have left.