It's not about being popular. It's about doing what's right.

[CGP]

Now that Hillary Clinton is Secretary of State in an Obama administration, any forum in her honor which does not allow participation from Obama supporters is paying great disrespect to Hillary Clinton. People are free not to be excited about Obama, but at least show Hillary Clinton the respect of trusting her motives for agreeing to be Secretary of State and trusting her willingness to work alongside Barack Obama. Resentment is very toxic and has never been known to uplift people. I've let go of my anger towards Obama & his supporters, and while I have strong memories of the past (& the bad things that happened), I wish to administer a Hillary Clinton Forum that reflects Hillary's current direction - that current direction does not include opposing every move Barack Obama makes. Hillary may have been Obama's opponent in the primary election of 2008, but now they are working together. Yes, it's true.

If this decision means I am left posting here with myself and just one other person, then I can accept that. I would rather do the right thing and have a slow moving forum, than do the wrong thing and be visited by the masses who feed off controversy & negativity.

So...

It's not about being popular. It's about doing what's right.

[VotingHillary]

and it is also about a goal that is still yet to be achieved..

[CGP]

and it is also about a goal that is still yet to be achieved..

Correct.

And that goal will not be achieved through maintaining enemies.

[Den2006]

There are those friends who can be countened on and those who can not. Ther are enemies who you can find common ground and those whe will only find you weak for attemtping to do so. These are are ways of the world.

[CGP]

There are those friends who can be countened on and those who can not. Ther are enemies who you can find common ground and those whe will only find you weak for attemtping to do so. These are are ways of the world.

I disagree with most of your views on key issues, but you are civil in your discussions & that's the most important thing in terms of participation here.

[Den2006]

I disagree with most of your views on key issues, but you are civil in your discussions & that's the most important thing in terms of participation here.I thank you for that, unfortunately there are those in this world who don't place the same values on honesty as we do. We can not make the mistake in assuming a proven liar is speaking the truth today when at no time in the past have they proven their word is worth the price of the inexpensive inc it's written on.

[Brooke]

Thank you, Murray. You are correct.

[foxyladi]

Thank you, Murray. You are correct.

again...........

[joeysky18]

It's not about being popular. It's about doing what's right.

I think what considered right is a matter of opinion. I am quite certain that everyone choose to do what is right in their point of views.

The important thing, to me, is to be able to disagree, exchange opinion, give & take constructive criticism in a civil manner.

It's important to have a good debate because, as Hillary said, we need to demand the best of each other. And we can't improve without a debate.

I disagreed with you quite often. I told you what I think. You told me what you think. We exchanged our views, agreed or disagreed, implemented it, and moved on. We don't take it personal. And I think it's the key. Our friendship; i.e. your popularity, doesn't depend on the extent of our shared idea.

[SoCal4Hillary]

I wish to administer a Hillary Clinton Forum that reflects Hillary's current direction - that current direction does not include opposing every move Barack Obama makes.Well, speaking only for myself--although I happen to know that many others here share my views--it's not about "opposing every move Barack Obama makes." Rather, it's about waiting and seeing WHAT he's actually going to accomplish. Recall that he was a virtually BLANK SLATE prior to being elevated to position of messiah by his rabid followers and the MSM. He had nothing to point to before, and now we have to see what he's going to do. If he screws up, you'd better believe I'll talk about it--but, on the other hand, if he manages to do anything right, I'll acknowledge that, too...although it'll pain me.
Hillary may have been Obama's opponent in the primary election of 2008, but now they are working together. Yes, it's true.And? That doesn't mean we have to like it!

[CGP]

I think what considered right is a matter of opinion. I am quite certain that everyone choose to do what is right in their point of views.

^ Of course, I should have made it more clear that I meant what is "right" for me. So I agree.


The important thing, to me, is to be able to disagree, exchange opinion, give & take constructive criticism in a civil manner.


^ Absolutely. That is THE most important thing. I have no problem at all participating in discussions with people who hold views I disagree with as long as civility is the standard.

[CGP]

Well, speaking only for myself--although I happen to know that many others here share my views--it's not about "opposing every move Barack Obama makes." Rather, it's about waiting and seeing WHAT he's actually going to accomplish.

Well, for people who previously opposed Obama during the election, I think a "wait and see" attitude is extremely fair and reasonable. That in itself is positive.

I was speaking more about my position as admin of a "Hillary Clinton" forum. Given HC publicly supports Obama, it is "right" of me as the admin to encourage forum participation from Hillary supporters who share her support of Obama. This is not a forum about me. It's a forum about Hillary Clinton & politics.

[Laura Cereta]

It's hard for me to articulate how I feel on this one. When Hillary supported Obama in the GE, this forum did not. I don't know that she's working along side of him out of her affection, admiration, or respect for him, as much as she was given an opportunity and she took it because she's right for it. But I'll probably never know until the book comes out... ;)

I agree with SoCal that Obama should be credited when right and called out when wrong. It''s not about hatred, and constant negativity IS toxic, I agree.

For me, this forum started as a vehicle to get away from the craziness of the primaries and focus on Hillary winning. However, it became so much more; it became about holding the DNC responsible, about democracy, about opposing and abhoring discriminiation, about exposing media bias, and then it was about country before party.

I don't know what else to say... change is just not easy.

[CGP]

However, it became so much more; it became about holding the DNC responsible, about democracy, about opposing and abhoring discriminiation, about exposing media bias, and then it was about country before party.

It still is about all of those things.

[Suzan]

It's hard for me to articulate how I feel on this one. When Hillary supported Obama in the GE, this forum did not. I don't know that she's working along side of him out of her affection, admiration, or respect for him, as much as she was given an opportunity and she took it because she's right for it. But I'll probably never know until the book comes out... ;)

I agree with SoCal that Obama should be credited when right and called out when wrong. It''s not about hatred, and constant negativity IS toxic, I agree.

For me, this forum started as a vehicle to get away from the craziness of the primaries and focus on Hillary winning. However, it became so much more; it became about holding the DNC responsible, about democracy, about opposing and abhoring discriminiation, about exposing media bias, and then it was about country before party.

I don't know what else to say... change is just not easy.
STAMP! Good post.

Discrimination, media bias and now, government corruption on all sides, are all key problems. Also, corporate corruption.

And here's another thought, since we know the media isn't likely to play their watchdog role with the Obama administration, someone has to. Today with government and business so clearly running amuck, it seems the rest of us have to step up. That said, I'm all for giving credit where credit is due, and I've already seen things I like about what Obama is doing.

I also like to think that perhaps he'll rise to the occasion. It's a huge job he's facing. Maybe it will make a better man of him. We can hope.

[foxyladi]

and it is also about a goal that is still yet to be achieved..
indeed.....................

[CGP]

If this decision means I am left posting here with myself and just one other person, then I can accept that.

Seems we are almost at that point. :eek:

Very quiet here today.

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[Aria]

I don't know that she's working along side of him out of her affection, admiration, or respect for him, as much as she was given an opportunity and she took it because she's right for it. But I'll probably never know until the book comes out... ;)

I'd question the former, too, and feel that she accepted the SOS position because she felt (and is) right for it and it's a position where she can have greater influence for the good of the country. However, IF the former reasons are Hillary's reasons, then we have a lot to learn!

For me, this forum started as a vehicle to get away from the craziness of the primaries and focus on Hillary winning. However, it became so much more; it became about holding the DNC responsible, about democracy, about opposing and abhoring discriminiation, about exposing media bias, and then it was about country before party.

And, as others have said, it's still about that. We must be fair, but we musn't be lulled into thinking that the problems have lessened or gone away - OR that we don't have a voice. When we become too complacent, the party's over, so to speak. If we need change from the change, people need to stay involved. At this point, I'm hoping the change will prove itself to be in the interests of the people, the country, and the world.