View Full Version : New Indiana Poll (1/4/08): Clinton Leads!
Chichi
04-01-2008, 07:26 PM
Per SurveyUSA (which has been the most reliable poll this election season)
HRC 52
Obama 43
Clinton 9 Atop Obama, 5 Weeks to Indiana Democratic Primary: In a Democratic Primary in Indiana today, 04/01/08, 5 weeks until votes are counted, Hillary Clinton defeats Barack Obama 52% to 43%, according to a SurveyUSA poll conducted for WHAS-TV Louisville and WCPO-TV Cincinnati. Obama leads 3:2 among the youngest voters. Clinton leads 2:1 among the oldest voters. Clinton leads by 21 points among whites. Obama leads by 58 points among blacks. Obama leads in greater Indianapolis. Clinton leads in Northern, Central and Southern Indiana. Clinton leads by 2 among men and by 17 among women. Among voters focused on Iraq, the candidates tie. Among voters focused on the Economy, Clinton leads by 14. Among voters focused on health care, Clinton leads by 10. Clinton leads by 12 among those who describe themselves as Democrats. Republicans and Independents are technically eligible to vote in Indiana's 'open' primary. Obama leads by 26 points among Independents. Clinton leads by 21 among Republicans. Some in talk radio have urged Republicans to vote for Clinton in states where laws permit Republicans to vote in Democratic primaries. It is unclear to what extent this is happening in Indiana. Without the Republican voters, Clinton would still lead, though by 7 instead of 9.
SunnyInCal
04-01-2008, 07:30 PM
With all the breakdown in numbers I'm trying to figure out how she's only up by 9. She's up by 2 in men, which is unsual and 17 for women, so I guess you split the difference and get 9, but she seems to be up or tie in all the important categories. But there is still 5 weeks.
lucky-ann
04-01-2008, 08:00 PM
cool! if we can win indiana big (and I think about 10 points would be big) we could afford to lose NC, but not by more than 10 points...
Hoosier
04-01-2008, 09:17 PM
It is true that Indiana is a red state but these Republicans do not take kindly to hate speech. Reverend Wright is political poison. Clinton will win big here. :D
Jayling
04-01-2008, 09:23 PM
It is true that Indiana is a red state but these Republicans do not take kindly to hate speech. Reverend Wright is political poison. Clinton will win big here. :D
That's what I was hoping to hear from you Hoosiers!
I think Hillary will do very well in your state, even though it's very Red. Folks there have voted Republican (http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/index.html) for the last 44 years, since 1960, except in 1964 for Lyndon Johnson.
no_more_bush
04-01-2008, 09:27 PM
Obama's campaign predicted they would win this state, so it's great Hillary is ahead. What would really be sweet is for her to win NC also, the polls there have flucuated in the past so I think it's definitely possible.
carmaken
04-01-2008, 09:41 PM
I'm in southern IN. We were not even officially polled until now; but people are not buzzing as much as the rest of the country. We never really even get to weigh in on who the nominee is usually. People are just now "waking up" to the fact that our vote will count this year. And people are really listening now. Some republicans are fearful of BO as a result of the Wright controversy. I have heard of some people, republicans who have said they will switch parties to make a change. But we have a lot of rednecks, who say they won't vote for a woman. On the other hand, down here, close to Kentucky, that may make a difference for the positive for Hillary. She leads BO 2 to 1 in their statewide polls.
An interesting dynamic I have noticed is that I find it very hard to even discuss politics with any pro BO people; similar to how it is usually with republicans in past elections. Now, I can talk to republicans just fine!! (at least for now). Some of my women friends are saying they will vote for Hillary because they want a woman to have a chance to be president.
WE CANNOT LET THE MEDIA WRITE OFF OUR VOTES!
neutralplayer
04-01-2008, 10:08 PM
Good to hear... now all she has to do is pull ahead in NC and she'll be set.
evolin
04-01-2008, 10:50 PM
Good to hear... now all she has to do is pull ahead in NC and she'll be set.
Anyone who can travel should travel to any area where there is a contest. I have some things going on where it limits me right now but I wil continue to call and make the case for her . We need to call all the upcoming contest states and make the case for her. It is a big order as there are several that need to be called; so the more people who send for the script and volunteer, the better.
As someone else said, we will suffer if we don't help her now. The choices without her could be difficult.
Just think of the years we have suffered through lately. The only thing that makes it bearable is that Bushes term will soon be over.
Annie
04-01-2008, 11:04 PM
Anyone who can travel should travel to any area where there is a contest. I have some things going on where it limits me right now but I wil continue to call and make the case for her . We need to call all the upcoming contest states and make the case for her. It is a big order as there are several that need to be called; so the more people who send for the script and volunteer, the better.
As someone else said, we will suffer if we don't help her now. The choices without her could be difficult.
Just think of the years we have suffered through lately. The only thing that makes it bearable is that Bushes term will soon be over.
Bush's term has 9 + months to go unfortunately and if BO gets the nomination and wins the Presidency we may well wish for Bush back again. Anyhow re the Bosnia thing please read this and send it on to whomever you know and can pass it on....
New York Times April 1
Op-Ed Contributor
Straight Shooting From Tuzla
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By LISSA MUSCATINE and MELANNE VERVEER
Published: April 1, 2008
Washington
AS staff members who traveled with the first lady, Hillary Rodham Clinton, to Bosnia in March 1996, we have followed with more than passing interest the extensive news coverage of her landing in Tuzla. Video footage clearly shows that Mrs. Clinton’s assertions that she landed “under fire” and that the arrival ceremony was canceled were wrong. She said so herself last week.
Yet even since she acknowledged her mistake, the commentary has continued unabated. Reports are now being embellished (to borrow the term du jour) to suggest that Bosnia was not really a danger zone. Her visiting American troops on a peacekeeping mission in a hostile environment is now being treated as if it were a trip to the beach. During a week of nonstop coverage, few journalists went beyond the irresistible video footage to ask what else happened on this trip and how Mrs. Clinton might have erred in the details about the landing in Tuzla. So here are some facts that provide context:
We flew in a C-17 cargo plane from Germany to Bosnia precisely because it was capable of steep descents and ascents into and out of areas of conflict. We were issued flak jackets on the plane before landing in Tuzla and were told the tarmac ceremony might be canceled or curtailed due to sniper fire from the surrounding hillsides. The first lady and Chelsea Clinton were moved to the armored cockpit for the landing. Armored vehicles were placed around the tarmac, and Apache helicopters hovered overhead.
In a recent e-mail message to a British blogger, Ejup Ganic, who was the acting president of Bosnia during Mrs. Clinton’s visit, wrote: “I remember that visit quite well. Although the NATO troops were in Tuzla, we still believed that some positions on the hills were occupied by radical Serbs, so I was worried about the overall safety.” The planned welcoming ceremony was shortened, he said, but it still lasted a bit longer than expected because a nongovernment group brought along a little girl to sing to the first lady.
Later, Mrs. Clinton flew from Tuzla to two military outposts by helicopter, escorted by Apache gunships.
As has been reported, Mrs. Clinton’s trip to Bosnia included a U.S.O. component with the comedian Sinbad and the singer Sheryl Crow. The helicopters that carried them to performances at American base camps zigzagged just above the trees to avoid potential ground fire, according to Carey Cavanaugh, who was then a State Department official traveling with Sinbad, and helicopters flew alongside to deal with the threat of anti-aircraft fire or snipers. These facts explain why many of us, including the first lady, believed that the conditions on the ground were precarious. We were worried about sniper fire and were prepared to rush off the tarmac when we landed.
In their single-minded focus on the landing in Tuzla, reporters and commentators have omitted any discussion of what Mrs. Clinton accomplished on her trip. In addition to showing support for our troops and for the peace accords in Bosnia, Mrs. Clinton met with Bosnian religious leaders, women and community activists and, when she returned to Washington, was able to give administration officials her firsthand assessment of the nascent reconstruction effort.
After leaving Bosnia, she met with leaders of Turkey and Greece and in those countries promoted efforts on behalf of international development and democracy. In Istanbul, five years before 9/11, Mrs. Clinton presciently convened representatives of some of the world’s major religions to advance a dialogue about religious reconciliation and ways to counter religious extremism.
The video of her arrival on the tarmac in Bosnia may be great theater and easy fodder for commentators, but it shouldn’t be allowed to obscure what else was happening on this important trip when the cameras weren’t rolling.
Lissa Muscatine was the chief speechwriter and Melanne Verveer was the chief of staff for Hillary Rodham Clinton when she was first lady. Ms. Muscatine is an adviser to Mrs. Clinton’s presidential campaign.
kyforhillary
04-01-2008, 11:24 PM
Can you go to gretawire.com and post that release? They are in there right now slugging it out. Mosty pro Hillary, but alas some keep bringing it up. I don't know how to move it over there Thanks
kyforhillary
04-01-2008, 11:26 PM
My sister lives in Indiana, but alas she is republican, but guess what I talked her into voting for Hillary and she has convinced some of her rep. co-workers to vote for Hillary also!
Brooke
04-01-2008, 11:36 PM
Lots of Republicans here in PA have switched to vote for Hillary.
Here's the thing guys. Even if Hillary loses in NC, if the exit polls are anything like they were in TX, OH, MI and likely PA, where it's race down the middle and Obama only gets the black vote, that's going to be VERY very bad for him.
WV4Hillary
04-01-2008, 11:46 PM
It won't be. Obama's advantage comes from blacks and liberals. North Carolina is tailor-made for him...it's like 25% black and then most of the whites are liberals (Raleigh, Asheville, Charlotte). That's why we will focus on calling NC and IN soon..but right now we have to focus more on PA!
skc1976
04-02-2008, 12:19 AM
Great news! Glad to hear that Indiana is starting off in favor of Hillary. Here's hoping that it can remain that way and grow some!
JJ4Hillary
04-02-2008, 01:30 AM
I know odrama will not having enough sleep tonight with this new poll.:D:D:D
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