(Apr 8, 2009): "The End of Christian America? Christopher Hitchens vs. Ken Blackwell on Hardball" (MSNBC) - video

[CGP]

YouTube - The End of Christian America? Christopher Hitchens vs. Ken Blackwell on Hardball

[Suzan]

Speaking of Great Americans, there are pundits on Fox News who like to imply almost daily that you're not one if you're not Christian.

[Jester]

I thought this forum liked to pretend MSNBC did not exist?

[Suzan]

What's MSNBC? That was YouTube. ;)

[CGP]

I thought this forum liked to pretend MSNBC did not exist?

There is no collective voice.

[Wyoming Dem]

There is no collective voice.
There should be no "Christian" America.

[CGP]

There should be no "Christian" America.

See that video (United States of Jesus) in the other thread - this guy knows what he is talking about!

[cindyb]

There should be no "Christian" America.

There will always be a Christian America.

Happy Easter to All.

[Suzan]

There will always be a Christian America.

Happy Easter to All.
Happy Easter to you too, Cindy.

Christian Americans, fine. Christian America? Nope, this isn't a theocracy.

[CGP]

There will always be a Christian America.


How is a "Christian America" any less problematic than an "Islamic Afghanistan" or "Islamic Pakistan" or "Islamic Iran"?

Nations which define their identity by a religion concern me. Greatly.

[Wyoming Dem]

Happy Easter to you too, Cindy.

Christian Americans, fine. Christian America? Nope, this isn't a theocracy.
And that is the truth.

[hillary4change]

I thought this forum liked to pretend MSNBC did not exist?
Who's pretending. They don't exist to me! I never turn to that channel. I will only watch a youtube vid. if the topic interests me.

How is a "Christian America" any less problematic than an "Islamic Afghanistan" or "Islamic Pakistan" or "Islamic Iran"?

Nations which define their identity by a religion concern me. Greatly.

I believe Americans have overwhelmingly identified our nation as a Chritian Nation, since it's inception.

I don't have a problem with that. It used to be okay to say it. It is only now becoming a problem. The differance here is, as Christians we don't kill people who don't believe in our ideology. Thats the seperation of church and state thing I believe.

We have always allowed for religious freedom in our leaders. Look at President Kennedy. There were many people that were concerned that he would rule as a Catholic, and not as an American man. Essentially giving leadership of the country over to the Catholic church. That was while we were identifying ourselves as a Christian nation. Understanding that Christianity and Catholicism are different.

We have been very ardent in our protection of church and state.

[UKSocialist]

The differance here is, as Christians we don't kill people who don't believe in our ideology

Neither do the vast, vast majority of Muslims.

[matiah]

Neither do the vast, vast majority of Muslims.

Does this vast, vast majority include those who were caught this week trying to blow up Manchester? It is naive to resort to the "vast majority" argument when talking about terrorism.

[cinnamongirl]

The differance here is, as Christians we don't kill people who don't believe in our ideology.


What about doctors, nurses, and staffers who've died in abortion clinic bombings/shootings/etc?

[Jester]

Neither do the vast, vast majority of Muslims.

I agree with that statement. But don't pretend there is a large consensus in Europe that view the immigrant Muslims the same way a large consensus of Americans view illegal Latinos.

[carmaken]

I thought this forum liked to pretend MSNBC did not exist?

I hated MSNBC a year ago, but like a druggie addicted to a bad habit, I just had to watch it. I was switching back and forth from FOX to MSNBC--how bad is that for sick behavior? lol But now I'm back to not liking FOX much. MSNBC has days that they throw Obama under the bus. I like to talk to the people here, but I don't want it to run my life totally.

The Christians in America will always be alive and well, but are on very controversial sides of certain issues. (Let's face it, we are all on controversial sides of things all the time.) I believe I am a Christian, but I haven't been to a regular church service in almost 20 years. And, I'm no better than anyone who believes differently from myself. And, I try and not step on the toes of others by imposing my beliefs on them.

[UKSocialist]

I agree with that statement. But don't pretend there is a large consensus in Europe that view the immigrant Muslims the same way a large consensus of Americans view illegal Latinos.

Unfortunately bigotry has no border limits.

[UKSocialist]

Does this vast, vast majority include those who were caught this week trying to blow up Manchester? It is naive to resort to the "vast majority" argument when talking about terrorism.

No, the vast majority includes the vast majority of Muslims who live in Manchester peacefully, the vast minority would refer to the very small number who planned bombings, I could link you to a dictionary if you would like.

[matiah]

No, the vast majority includes the vast majority of Muslims who live in Manchester peacefully, the vast minority would refer to the very small number who planned bombings, I could link you to a dictionary if you would like.


A funny Brit. This must be the end of days. Obviously, you do not recognize sarcasm without a dictionary by your side.

Back to the topic. All it takes is a minority to wreak havoc. Let's say your vast, vast majority is 90%. Your small insignificant minority will be 130 million people. Do you need a math dictionary?

[hillary4change]

What about doctors, nurses, and staffers who've died in abortion clinic bombings/shootings/etc?

I agree with this, and I also will say that this is not the vast majority of Christians.

I will also say that those nutty Christian radicals do not come anywhere near blowing up 3,000 Dr's nurses or staffers ever, never mind at one time.

I do not agree that it is ok to kill people who disagree with your opinion that, it is not ok to ... kill people!?!? I believe this is circular logic!

The point of my statement was to point out the obvious disparity of radical Muslims vs. radical Christians.