Joe Biden's Purebred Puppy in the News

[ImmaSlave4U]

Vice President Biden and his purebred German shepherd puppy, Champ (http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/040909_Breeder_Regrets_Selling_Dog_To_Biden), have been all over the news this morning in reports about how the breeder who sold him the puppy has fallen on hard times, saying that she would "never, never, never again" sell to someone with a high profile. But PETA has a better idea: How about not selling to…oh, I don't know…anyone? With shelter dogs dying every day for lack of a good home, it's completely irresponsible to breed dogs (http://www.peta.org/feat-abc_campaign.asp) for profit. Period.

When PETA initially got the news that the Bidens had naïvely purchased Champ from a breeder, they ran one of their popular television ads in his home state of Delaware titled "Buy One, Kill One," which reminds viewers that every time you buy a dog from a breeder, a dog in an animal shelter dies. I think it gets the point across nicely. Check it out here (http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=abc_buy_one_kill_one_psa&chgpref=1) or watch it below!

[ImmaSlave4U]

If people who bought dogs from breeders had to face the consequences right then and there, they'd be a lot more likely to do the right thing and adopt from an animal shelter instead. No matter how you do the math, buying an animal from a breeder adds up to killing a homeless animal in an animal shelter.

YouTube - Buy one, Get one killed

[Jester]

Why is Biden supporting this practice? Gaffetacular.

[Bubba Grizzly]

If people who bought dogs from breeders had to face the consequences right then and there, they'd be a lot more likely to do the right thing and adopt from an animal shelter instead. No matter how you do the math, buying an animal from a breeder adds up to killing a homeless animal in an animal shelter.

YouTube - Buy one, Get one killed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se0EMHOYBkU)

And you have what "FACTS" to back up that video....And your diet has killed not ONE of "Gods Creatures" right.
I have also heard PETA referred to as


People
Eating
Tasty
Animals

[Horizon]

I always get my dogs from shelters, and never have owned a purebred, except the pug, and she was a rescue dog. Shame on Joe.

[Bubba Grizzly]

So what you are saying is every time someone buys a "Pure Breed", a dog in the shelter dies, right? Does that mean every time we buy a dog from the shelter, a "Pure Breed" dies. Please clarify.............

[Horizon]

So what you are saying is every time someone buys a "Pure Breed", a dog in the shelter dies, right? Does that mean every time we buy a dog from the shelter, a "Pure Breed" dies. Please clarify.............

Watch the video and figure it out. That would be why it was posted.

[Bubba Grizzly]

Watch the video and figure it out. That would be why it was posted.

So it is OK to buy a pound dog and KILL a pure breed , but don't buy a Pure Breed or you will kill a dog in the pound.... Do I have it "RIGHT".....???????

[UKSocialist]

So it is OK to buy a pound dog and KILL a pure breed , but don't buy a Pure Breed or you will kill a dog in the pound.... Do I have it "RIGHT".....???????

No the idea is to rescue a homeless dog rather than support the over breeding of animals for human profit, which results in there not being enough homes for “lesser” animals which then suffer.

[Wyoming Dem]

AS I am a retired veterinarian, I feel I have a little more authority to speak on this subject. There is nothing wrong with responsible breeders raising and selling purebred dogs in the same way that there is nothing wrong with responsible horse breeders raising and selling purebred horses. Most who purchase a pure-breed dog, are NOT going to adopt a dog from the pound. I agree in theory that it would be wonderful if they would indeed adopt a dog from a shelter but you cannot mandate someone's personal likes and dislikes. And as an aside...many dog breeders REQUIRE that you spay/neuter a "pet" quality dog (as opposed to "show" quality) before they will give you the dog's breed registration papers. That said...

If EVERY SINGLE DAMNED CITY provided absolutely free spaying and neutering, those cities would literally save millions of dollars in shelter costs, personnel, retrieval, etc. and the issue of unwanted dogs & cat's being uthanised would become, for all intents and purposes, moot. There is a city in California (It has been a while and the name escapes me) that does just exactly this. They calculated they saved more than 250,000 the first year and ended the year with only 100 dogs humanely destroyed, a difference of nearly 1000 from previous year. They can hire vets to come in and work spay/neuter clinics and it will still be cheaper than maintaining a shelter. I, like many, many other veterinarians, donated countless hours to clinics. It is just not enough.

And I am also going to go on record here as saying that I believe in "quality" of life, NOT quantity. I DO NOT BELIEVE that keeping something alive is always necessarily in the animal's best interest. I also do not anthropomorphisize animals. They are NOT humans, do not think the way we do, do not apply"logic" and have no knowledge of rationalization ("If I do this I will get hurt")

Would I have rather seen Biden adopt a shelter dog? Of course. Do I despise him because he did not? No. I have owned both purebred dogs and mongrel curs and have loved them all equally. Again, I feel it is a matter of personal choice.

[Bubba Grizzly]

AS I am a retired veterinarian, I feel I have a little more authority to speak on this subject. There is nothing wrong with responsible breeders raising and selling purebred dogs in the same way that there is nothing wrong with responsible horse breeders raising and selling purebred horses. Most who purchase a pure-breed dog, are NOT going to adopt a dog from the pound. I agree in theory that it would be wonderful if they would indeed adopt a dog from a shelter but you cannot mandate someone's personal likes and dislikes. And as an aside...many dog breeders REQUIRE that you spay/neuter a "pet" quality dog (as opposed to "show" quality) before they will give you the dog's breed registration papers. That said...

If EVERY SINGLE DAMNED CITY provided absolutely free spaying and neutering, those cities would literally save millions of dollars in shelter costs, personnel, retrieval, etc. and the issue of unwanted dogs & cat's being uthanised would become, for all intents and purposes, moot. There is a city in California (It has been a while and the name escapes me) that does just exactly this. They calculated they saved more than 250,000 the first year and ended the year with only 100 dogs humanely destroyed, a difference of nearly 1000 from previous year. They can hire vets to come in and work spay/neuter clinics and it will still be cheaper than maintaining a shelter. I, like many, many other veterinarians, donated countless hours to clinics. It is just not enough.

And I am also going to go on record here as saying that I believe in "quality" of life, NOT quantity. I DO NOT BELIEVE that keeping something alive is always necessarily in the animal's best interest. I also do not anthropomorphisize animals. They are NOT humans, do not think the way we do, do not apply"logic" and have no knowledge of rationalization ("If I do this I will get hurt")

Would I have rather seen Biden adopt a shelter dog? Of course. Do I despise him because he did not? No. I have owned both purebred dogs and mongrel curs and have loved them all equally. Again, I feel it is a matter of personal choice.
You just stepped in a %^&*%$#@$%^&*(@# minefield

[CGP]

While I understand the idea/rational behind adopting a dog from a shelter rather than buying one from a breeder, I am not sure how realistic it is to hope for the banning of dog breeding.

[Jester]

While I understand the idea/rational behind adopting a dog from a shelter rather than buying one from a breeder, I am not sure how realistic it is to hope for the banning of dog breeding.

I find dog breeding repulsive and it should simply be made illegal. I don't need to do any research to know that my boyhood dog cared for me and vice versa.

Even though I can hardly be described as a pet person (in the sense that I always have at least one pet or even multiple pets), I've always cared deeply for animals. More than once, I've taken over a younger sibling's pet when they lost interest for no other reason than I refused to abandon them. I know animals can think and rationalize because when one of my sibling's cats had kittens, she moved her kittens into my room for protection when she didn't like the visitors messing with her babies.

[CGP]

Maybe a temporary ban on human breeding should be put in place until all orphaned children and children in need of new parents have been adopted out? (I am not seriously suggesting this, but using the question to compare...)

Isn't that an analogous situation to what is being discussed in this thread?

Maybe I have my analogy mixed up.

[Jester]

Considering human breeding is by choice, that misses the mark, IMNSHO.

[CGP]

Considering human breeding is by choice, that misses the mark, IMNSHO.

Well yes that's a big difference.

[Jester]

I do agree with people taking responsibility and fixing their pet if they aren't going to make the effort to find good homes for the offspring.

I would say fine people that just bring the offspring to a shelter because it is too hard for them, but then they'd just throw the poor babies out in a trash bag or something.

I know one person that wanted their female pet to have babies because they read it calmed the female down to become a mother. Now that is something that happens with *human breeding* and it is shameful as well.

[ImmaSlave4U]

Many of the dogs sold in pet shops come from puppy mills (see video below) and breeding kennels. In puppy mills, female dogs are kept in crude, outdoor cages without protection from rain, sweltering heat, bitter cold, or biting winds. They are denied companionship and comfort and treated like breeding machines. Their puppies are taken from them at an early age, packed into crates, and shipped hundreds of miles to dealers, often without adequate food, water, or ventilation. Poor breeding practices lead to numerous health problems, including distemper, parvovirus, respiratory conditions, physical deformities, deafness, eye diseases, and a host of other ailments.

Once puppies arrive at pet stores, life in cramped cages adds more strain to their already stressed lives, increasing their susceptibility to disease. While breeders churn out millions of puppies each year, millions of animals are killed for want of a good home. Dogs are dumped at local pounds or abandoned in the woods and on city streets. Animal shelters are able to find loving homes for only a fraction of the animals they receive, and the rest must be put to death. Because of the overpopulation crisis, there is no such thing as “responsible” breeding

The point is that if you have the time, energy, space, and money to care for a dog (or two), it's important to visit your local animal shelter and adopt rather than buy from a pet store. Mixed-breed dogs are typically healthier and more even-tempered than purebred dogs, but if you’re determined, you can usually find purebred dogs at shelters.

YouTube - Undercover Puppy Mill Investigation

[Jester]

What about taking a free pet from a neighbor? Don't even let it get to the shelter stage.

Sorry, I'm afraid to watch your video because I can't watch living things in pain. I saw an old lady hit by a van going through a cross walk when I was about 5 and all my friends (we were at a public playground) ran to appease our curiosity. I think it changed me in a very profound way that day as I quickly wished my curiosity didn't get the better of me.

[Wyoming Dem]

Many of the dogs sold in pet shops come from puppy mills (see video below) and breeding kennels. In puppy mills, female dogs are kept in crude, outdoor cages without protection from rain, sweltering heat, bitter cold, or biting winds. They are denied companionship and comfort and treated like breeding machines. Their puppies are taken from them at an early age, packed into crates, and shipped hundreds of miles to dealers, often without adequate food, water, or ventilation. Poor breeding practices lead to numerous health problems, including distemper, parvovirus, respiratory conditions, physical deformities, deafness, eye diseases, and a host of other ailments.

Once puppies arrive at pet stores, life in cramped cages adds more strain to their already stressed lives, increasing their susceptibility to disease. While breeders churn out millions of puppies each year, millions of animals are killed for want of a good home. Dogs are dumped at local pounds or abandoned in the woods and on city streets. Animal shelters are able to find loving homes for only a fraction of the animals they receive, and the rest must be put to death. Because of the overpopulation crisis, there is no such thing as “responsible” breeding

The point is that if you have the time, energy, space, and money to care for a dog (or two), it's important to visit your local animal shelter and adopt rather than buy from a pet store. Mixed-breed dogs are typically healthier and more even-tempered than purebred dogs, but if you’re determined, you can usually find purebred dogs at shelters.

YouTube - Undercover Puppy Mill Investigation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW4cp0AvC4w)
I am very aware of that and it is indeed a travesty. However, I also know many responsible dog breeders who show their animals and are always trying to improve the breed. I agree with just about everything you state and sure wish there were no animals that had to be destroyed. THis country needs to do more and has failed miserably. I personally never had a dog in my life that I bred. I had purebred German Sheppards for years and years because I love the breed. I have also had mixed breeds (here, that means mostly "cattle working" breeds mixed) that I would have never given up for any reason. IAASFY, I appreciate all the articles you post and that you are dedicated to stopping animal abuse. One of the hardest things any vet has to do is put something down.

[foxyladi]

AS I am a retired veterinarian, I feel I have a little more authority to speak on this subject. There is nothing wrong with responsible breeders raising and selling purebred dogs in the same way that there is nothing wrong with responsible horse breeders raising and selling purebred horses. Most who purchase a pure-breed dog, are NOT going to adopt a dog from the pound. I agree in theory that it would be wonderful if they would indeed adopt a dog from a shelter but you cannot mandate someone's personal likes and dislikes. And as an aside...many dog breeders REQUIRE that you spay/neuter a "pet" quality dog (as opposed to "show" quality) before they will give you the dog's breed registration papers. That said...

If EVERY SINGLE DAMNED CITY provided absolutely free spaying and neutering, those cities would literally save millions of dollars in shelter costs, personnel, retrieval, etc. and the issue of unwanted dogs & cat's being uthanised would become, for all intents and purposes, moot. There is a city in California (It has been a while and the name escapes me) that does just exactly this. They calculated they saved more than 250,000 the first year and ended the year with only 100 dogs humanely destroyed, a difference of nearly 1000 from previous year. They can hire vets to come in and work spay/neuter clinics and it will still be cheaper than maintaining a shelter. I, like many, many other veterinarians, donated countless hours to clinics. It is just not enough.

And I am also going to go on record here as saying that I believe in "quality" of life, NOT quantity. I DO NOT BELIEVE that keeping something alive is always necessarily in the animal's best interest. I also do not anthropomorphisize animals. They are NOT humans, do not think the way we do, do not apply"logic" and have no knowledge of rationalization ("If I do this I will get hurt")

Would I have rather seen Biden adopt a shelter dog? Of course. Do I despise him because he did not? No. I have owned both purebred dogs and mongrel curs and have loved them all equally. Again, I feel it is a matter of personal choice.

thank you W.X.D.
we raised the little Chihuahua dogs.for show..however.just because you breed two champions does not mean you will a litter of champions.thus we get the pet quality.
I have been known to litterely throw folks out of my house because they did not meet our very strict criteria for one of my babies.
our pet qualty went sans papers with a contract to be spayed or neutered.
i always gave them a 5 generation pedigree tho.
so that they could see the champions in their babies background.
there would be no Westminster Kennel shows and no
champions if it were not for dedicated breeders.
I always was very careful and strict about where my babies went. I feel that getting an animal is like getting married.or bringing a child into the world.it is not to be done lightly.but with a life long commitment.so now as Paul Harvey used to say.
(and that.s the rest of the story}}